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Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
« Reply #240 on: July 03, 2011, 01:00:58 PM »
Exactly, ASI. When you compare the £11M spent on Babbel, £8.5M(ish) on Dossena and £8M on Reira, £8/9M on Charlie Adam, even if he only repeats his Blackpool performances and doesn't kick on, would represent much better value and impact. He's not the most mobile, or the greatest on the defensive side, but he's by far more creative and his passing ability far better than any of our current central midfielders. Granted, we couldn't play 4-4-2 with Adam as we'd get over run in midfield, unless we had a defensive superman next to him, however it's interesting that he's started boxing training in order to get fitter (hopefully increasing his mobility) and he can be taught at least how to close down and has the intelligence to win the ball via interception.
I've always said that those who can't tackle, shouldn't.

We definately need 3 more players as a bare minimum. Left back, centre half and a wide player of some sort, whether a more traditional winger or a wide forward.

With the players we currently have at our disposal and more so if Adam is added, we do have creativity centrally, Henderson (5th highest chance creater last season, whether they were converted to assists is not his problem) adds to it further.
What we need is to solidify the defence, both centrally and at left back, then add a wide player who can feed Andy Carroll (though I really hate the whole target man / big forward philosophy) and get himself in the box when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch and add a few goals.

We have goals in the squad, especially if the new centre half can add a few aerially. It's shaping the unit and style of play to get them out of the players we have. Kuyt and Maxi typifying that point.
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Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
« Reply #241 on: July 03, 2011, 04:53:33 PM »
I see Arsenal are linked with a 20 million swoop for Downing. If there is any truth in that I would hope Lfc walk away now. Torres cost us 20 million, Suarez cost us 20 million, Adam Johnson cost City 8 and all three of them were the right side of 25 and far better value. Surely downing doesnt fit into the clubs recruitment policy as there would arguably be liitle or no resale value should the time come a few years down the line. I want to see good value for every million we spend and 20 million for Downing doesnt represent that. There are cheaper younger alternatives out there, even here in the premier league. Nzogbia is a talent in and around the same level as Downing. Hes younger and probably wouldnt command as high a price. James Mccarthy has bags of potential, hes still got a lot of developing to do but for me signing him would represent better business than signing downing.

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Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
« Reply #242 on: July 03, 2011, 10:45:36 PM »
Tes,

The only difference between the time we bought those players and now are these Financial Fair Play Rules from UEFA. That's what's causing this log jam of players and the lack of offers for them. The Telegraph had an article today and named Jovanovic and Cole as two difficult to shift players. It won't be easy to sell them but the prospect of them sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves might sharpen their minds.

Regarding wide players I think Martin Kelly could do a decent job for us either at wide right or right back with Johnson moved forward.

Until we lose some deadwood I think we'll have to be patient. I'm sure Adam will still prefer to join us rather than Spurs or Manure but it's something we'll need to be patient on.

Compared to Arsenal's problems ours are nothing. Wenger has real problems there not only with the players he could lose but the ownership cloud still hangs over the club. At least our owners seem stable and have the best interests of the club at heart.
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Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
« Reply #243 on: July 03, 2011, 11:54:04 PM »
Tes,

The only difference between the time we bought those players and now are these Financial Fair Play Rules from UEFA. That's what's causing this log jam of players and the lack of offers for them. The Telegraph had an article today and named Jovanovic and Cole as two difficult to shift players. It won't be easy to sell them but the prospect of them sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves might sharpen their minds.

Regarding wide players I think Martin Kelly could do a decent job for us either at wide right or right back with Johnson moved forward.

Until we lose some deadwood I think we'll have to be patient. I'm sure Adam will still prefer to join us rather than Spurs or Manure but it's something we'll need to be patient on.

Compared to Arsenal's problems ours are nothing. Wenger has real problems there not only with the players he could lose but the ownership cloud still hangs over the club. At least our owners seem stable and have the best interests of the club at heart.

Agree with all of that ASI, and Johnson, along with Henderson, could see our right side sorted, and using the squad to it's fullest potential. The problem with Cole and Jovanovic is whether they see first team football or money as the priority. As both are approaching 30 you'd have thought it was a no brainer but I guess it's probably not as clear cut as that.
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« Reply #244 on: July 03, 2011, 11:57:14 PM »
I see Arsenal are linked with a 20 million swoop for Downing. If there is any truth in that I would hope Lfc walk away now. Torres cost us 20 million, Suarez cost us 20 million, Adam Johnson cost City 8 and all three of them were the right side of 25 and far better value. Surely downing doesnt fit into the clubs recruitment policy as there would arguably be liitle or no resale value should the time come a few years down the line. I want to see good value for every million we spend and 20 million for Downing doesnt represent that. There are cheaper younger alternatives out there, even here in the premier league. Nzogbia is a talent in and around the same level as Downing. Hes younger and probably wouldnt command as high a price. James Mccarthy has bags of potential, hes still got a lot of developing to do but for me signing him would represent better business than signing downing.

I don't quite get why Downing is constantly valued at circa £20M whilst Nzogbia, who is pretty much on a par with Downing, but appears to still be improving, is usually quoted as being much less. Downing's British birth certificate must be written on some pretty expensive paper.

Nzogbia wouldn't be the worse buy we could make this Summer.
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« Reply #245 on: July 04, 2011, 10:33:30 PM »
the world has crashed and burned these past 3 years;  but the only industry that is still on an ever upwards loop, is the football industry.

the going rate now seemingly for a young english lad with mere potential is 15 to 20 million.

and the going rate for a decent english premiership midfielder, with 1 to 2 years left on their contract is between 16 and 20 million quid.

and these telephone numbers don't even include wages.

that punt Murdoch, the spawn of the devil, has a lot to answer for.  Sky have ruined the game.
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« Reply #246 on: July 04, 2011, 10:52:13 PM »
Dude, it sums it up when you refer to it as an industry. Whatever happened to the sport of Association Football?
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« Reply #247 on: July 04, 2011, 11:13:27 PM »
Dude, it sums it up when you refer to it as an industry. Whatever happened to the sport of Association Football?

exactly, Tes.

I closed down my Sky subscription six or seven years ago.  I had been with them since the late 80s.

But I no longer could stomach what they were doing to the game that I loved (once loved).

I have never looked back.  For a twenty something dollars a month here, I can see all the top league games live, across the world......some days it is near 24 hour live football coverage, across several channels.

Sky is devilish.  Nothing good ever comes from Murdoch.

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« Reply #248 on: July 05, 2011, 11:23:01 AM »
The transfer window seems to be hotting up.

We have apparently made a move to steal Savic from the grasp of Man City. If we can pull it off nice one but a bit embarrassing for the club to miss out on another target to City if we dont. Risky business, you wonder why if we wanted him we didnt go for him sooner.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7021302,00.html

I see Blackpool have put a figure of 9 million on Charlie Adam. I dont think thats excessive considering the goals/assists last season, his ability on dead ball and his age. Why we are seemingly holding out for every penny we can is mystifying. Im all for being a bit more frugal with our cash but at this rate i wont be surprised to see Adam at Spurs or United. In fact United probably need him more than we do.



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« Reply #249 on: July 05, 2011, 12:04:55 PM »
The transfer window seems to be hotting up.

We have apparently made a move to steal Savic from the grasp of Man City. If we can pull it off nice one but a bit embarrassing for the club to miss out on another target to City if we dont. Risky business, you wonder why if we wanted him we didnt go for him sooner.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7021302,00.html

I see Blackpool have put a figure of 9 million on Charlie Adam. I dont think thats excessive considering the goals/assists last season, his ability on dead ball and his age. Why we are seemingly holding out for every penny we can is mystifying. Im all for being a bit more frugal with our cash but at this rate i wont be surprised to see Adam at Spurs or United. In fact United probably need him more than we do.

It's another strange one, isn't Juan, if true. The first we hear of this guy is when we're trying to steal him at the last minute from City. As you say, why didn't we go for him as soon as it became apparent we wouldn't be getting Jones?
I see no shame in losing out to a club that will simply pay 'whatever it takes' no matter how overpriced either the fee or wages are. I don't want us simply paying out money we don't have or putting ourselves in a situation where we fall foul of FFP.

At the same time, £9M is not outlandish for Adam. If he can perform to his Blackpool standards, he could be a real asset with better players getting on the end of his passes and him getting on the end of better players' passes to add a few goals himself. Let's throw in Darby, who will not beak into the squad ahead of Johnson and has been overtaken by Kelly and Flannagan. He needs first team football at this stage of his career to develop further and is really too old to remain in the reserves.

We desperately need a left back and centre half, yet we're being linked with very few centre halves - Jones, Cahill, Lovren and now this guy.
Getting a left back would mean freeing up Johnson would could play wide right very effectively. He has all the basics to pull it off, and it also leaves him free to cover Kelly also. Having Johnson wide right additionally frees Dirk up to be a striker once more, and with Suarez playing in the Copa America and Andy Carroll's recover from injury and fitness come the season's start still yet to be truly known, having Dirk free to play up front is vital.

Acquiring a left back would mean several positions could be covered and the squad used more efficiently, never mind having a specialist left back in itself.
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« Reply #250 on: July 05, 2011, 12:12:48 PM »
Jovanovic is being released on a free, or at least we won't be asking for a fee for him and Ngog may be off to Villa for £4M:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/07/05/liverpool-fc-s-milan-jovanovic-set-for-anfield-exit-100252-28995722/

Let's hope as we've shown this jesture to help Jova find another club and hopefully regular first team football, that he returns the goodwill by not asking for a ridiculous pay-off. Likewise Joe Cole. Let's not ask for a fee thereby giving the 'buying' club a chance to offer an improved salary package over what they would otherwise afford. He needs to understand that playing regular is surely better at his age than chasing the cash. Same applies to Konchelsky and Poulsen.

So how do we rid ourselves of Degen and El Zahr who were both out on loan but have not made their moves permanent? I think both are out of contract next Summer.
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« Reply #251 on: July 05, 2011, 02:49:32 PM »
Liverpool have also missed out on me this summer.

And they have probably missed out on my neighbour (he has gone down the chippy).

I just don't put a lot of importance on much of what I see on football-related news-breaking websites or newspapers. 

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« Reply #252 on: July 05, 2011, 11:06:57 PM »
According to the Graudian, we've had a £15M bid for Downing turned down:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/05/stewart-downing-liverpool-aston-villa

That should be it. Move on to N'Zogbia. Villa are becoming tiresome.
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« Reply #253 on: July 06, 2011, 01:00:10 AM »
That should be it.
Absolutely!!!! tbh i thought our first offer of 12 was about right. Villa are, imo, a bunch of £$%&s, better off just not dealing with them.

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« Reply #254 on: July 06, 2011, 11:35:04 AM »
Absolutely!!!! tbh i thought our first offer of 12 was about right. Villa are, imo, a bunch of £$%&s, better off just not dealing with them.

In fairness to them Ed, they're only doing what you'd expect. Having lost Young, albeit for a decent fee for a player with just a year on his contract, they're not going to want to lose they're other first choice wide player aswell. With Downing having to years on his deal they're also in a stronger position than with Young. If we were in the same position we'd want the club to maximise what they were asking in order to replace the player(s) with the highest quality we could afford.

Until we shift the dead wood, quite rightly too, things will move more slowly. In our current position, with no CL football on offer, it will be nigh on impossible to get the absolute top drawer signings this Summer. If we don't shift the high earners now then when we look to upgrade in a year or two (as we have CL football to offer if everything goes the way we hope) on this Summer's purchases (in some cases), we will be stuck the two tiers of players we'd prefer to shift.

As a cash deal the original £12M offer was more than fair. Unfortunately for us, Villa originally overpaid when signing Downing for £12M and he's also had arguably his best season in the PL. Additionally as previously mentioned, there's also the Young factor.

The way this window's working out is hardly great for us. In addition to the obvious, the money we gave Sunderland for Henderson has been partly used to beat us to one of our 'alleged' targets and also looks like being used to rid the Mancs of some of their deadwood and give them additional funds. Taggart gets so much help from his disciples and cheerleaders in so many ways.

We need to improve so much on many aspects at the club. We need to maximise what we get for unwanted players and move the youth on for more aswell. The Mancs always seem to get top dollar for both younger players and those who have served their purpose. Hopefully once the deadwood is all previously cleared and hopefully no more added for future years, we can move much more quickly in our transfer dealings and secure our targets more swiftly and clinically.
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