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Re: Summer Transfer Window
« Reply #360 on: July 21, 2012, 01:06:53 AM »
United look to have got a bargain there Ed. Powell definitely knows how to find the net and even worse hes scoring with both feet.

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« Reply #361 on: July 21, 2012, 01:47:47 AM »
Rodgers has to get it right on Allen. He had enough time at Swansea to know if Allen would make the grade at a bigger club and clearly he thinks he will. We cant waste anymore money.
I'd be shocked if this lad walked into the Liverpool 1st 11...

My worry would be that he's not clinical in front of goal and it's a big big ask to burden him
with the mantle of goals from midfield in his first season.

Which begs the question why we'd shell out £15 million on him...

In effect, unless I'm mistaken he would also be our much anticipated creative midfielder.

I'd favour a swap deal with Swansea Adam + £3million for Allen. At least that's the ballpark I'd
begin negotiating in...It's nuts if we're starting and finishing bidding with £15million. Nuts! Totally Barmy.

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« Reply #362 on: July 21, 2012, 04:22:00 PM »
I'd be shocked if this lad walked into the Liverpool 1st 11...

My worry would be that he's not clinical in front of goal and it's a big big ask to burden him
with the mantle of goals from midfield in his first season.

Which begs the question why we'd shell out £15 million on him...

In effect, unless I'm mistaken he would also be our much anticipated creative midfielder.

I'd favour a swap deal with Swansea Adam + £3million for Allen. At least that's the ballpark I'd
begin negotiating in...It's nuts if we're starting and finishing bidding with £15million. Nuts! Totally Barmy.

It seems Ed if you believe the papers Allens being bought as a first eleven player. I wonder if Gerrard will be pushed out right.

As for swapping Adam, reports today suggest we are going to attempt to swap him for Dempsey. That wouldnt be such a bad deal.

Its good to see that Rodgers already knows the importance of Lucas to the team;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9417244/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-says-Lucas-Leiva-will-play-a-key-role-this-season-as-he-returns-from-injury.html

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Re: Summer Transfer Window
« Reply #363 on: July 21, 2012, 05:10:53 PM »
these must be cringeworthy times for dalglish.

we're trying to dump his signings from last year........carroll for as little as possibly half what kenny paid for the lad............and now adams might well be going as a make-weight in our efforts to snag Dempsey from Fulham.

rodgers is busy trying to clean up the awful mess left by dalglish.

I would support letting adams go......if it lightens the cost of dempsey (or allen).

but I would add this cautionary note.  Are Fulham employees really good enough to work at Liverpool.  Our two previous raids on Fulham (for defender Paul Konchesky, and for manager Roy Hodgson) were disasters.  Will Dempsey be any better?

And as for Allen at Swansea.  He is talented, but he is tiny.  He's only 5 feet 6 inches tall.  Will he offer a significant presence in the middle of the park.  I have strong misgivings.   


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« Reply #364 on: July 21, 2012, 06:17:21 PM »
It seems Ed if you believe the papers Allens being bought as a first eleven player.
Where though?

For argument's sake this lineup (I stuck Dempsey 6' 1" up front because he can header the
ball from what I've seen and because I'm not entirely sure where Carroll fits into BRs 4-3-3).

Johnson                                               Enrique

               Henderson              Lucas
                                  Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                     Downing
                               (Dempsey?)

An alternative formation incorporating Allen (I stuck Borini in there though I
see his role as a sub).

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                              Henderson   

                                 Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Borini
                             
Now I've gone crazy with the strikers and left out most of Kenny's signings:

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                                 Gerrard   

                                Dempsey
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Borini


This one includes Allen but retains physicality with Henderson in the middle & Dempsey up front .

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                              Henderson   

                                 Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Dempsey


Then finally, I stick Carroll in and left out the squad players (Dempsey, Borini & Allen)

Johnson                                               Enrique

                    Gerrard              Lucas
                               Henderson
                                        |
                  Suarez                     Downing
                                   Carroll


Then I decided to stop  :D

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Re: Summer Transfer Window
« Reply #365 on: July 21, 2012, 07:55:14 PM »
Who else from the potential Top Four competitors is looking at Allen?

Thought so, so why are why bidding against ourselves with a £15M bid?

How many years has Allen got on his contract? £15M is a huge, huge sum of money for a young player with one season under his belt who is hardly getting admiring glances from any other high ranking clubs.
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« Reply #366 on: July 21, 2012, 08:20:26 PM »
calm down, calm down, Tes!   

you worry too much.

if it doesn;t work out for 15 million Allen at Anfield, the club has a fall-back plan.

come next summer, we can loan the midget vertically-challenged lad out to another club.

now before you start worrying about nobody else being able to afford to take on his big wages, have no fears.  We as a club, will pay his wages when he goes out to the other club on loan.   

rest assured, we have a plan.  Nobody kicks sand in our face.


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« Reply #367 on: July 21, 2012, 08:26:17 PM »
calm down, calm down, Tes!   

you worry too much.

if it doesn;t work out for 15 million Allen at Anfield, the club has a fall-back plan.

come next summer, we can loan the midget vertically-challenged lad out to another club.

now before you start worrying about nobody else being able to afford to take on his big wages, have no fears.  We as a club, will pay his wages when he goes out to the other club on loan.   

rest assured, we have a plan.  Nobody kicks sand in our face.

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I hope we're all not as right this year with the problems we highlight as we were in the first two transfer windows of Dalglish/Comolli.
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« Reply #368 on: July 21, 2012, 08:31:55 PM »
Time I kicked my shoes off and placed my hands behind my head. All is in hand.

I hope we're all not as right this year with the problems we highlight as we were in the first two transfer windows of Dalglish/Comolli.

Tes, we should be employed at Anfield.

You can be Chief Executive/managing Director.......and I will be manager.

Given the past couple of seasons, we couldn't be any worse than what has been at the club.

Our European scouting system, since Rafa has left, is a total joke.    The club should have swiped Carr from Newcastle.  He seems to know his EasyJet way around all the grounds in Europe.  Our lot can hardly get out of John lennon Airport without a nose-bleed.  Unless they can find a player on youtube or wikipedia, they are lost.
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« Reply #369 on: July 21, 2012, 08:59:30 PM »
I hear rumours we're after Sweden's Oscar Wendt. He's crap. He's a poor man's Konchesky.
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« Reply #370 on: July 21, 2012, 09:01:23 PM »
How many years has Allen got on his contract? £15M is a huge, huge sum of money
for a young player with one season under his belt who is hardly getting admiring
glances from any other high ranking clubs.
Total madness, he's a player you might sign as an afterthought (if the conditions
were right) having assembled key spine players.

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« Reply #371 on: July 21, 2012, 09:43:45 PM »
Total madness, he's a player you might sign as an afterthought (if the conditions
were right) having assembled key spine players.

He's this year's Henderson.

And how come Laudrup's not exactly doing the 'tooth and nail' bit over Allen, now he's signed Micu for a fraction of what we'll pay for Allen.
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« Reply #372 on: July 21, 2012, 10:36:18 PM »
He's this year's Henderson.
Which is the point really, imo.

The struggles of Henderson & Carroll (even the older Adam) to acclimatise last season
is the reason I'd be wary of slotting unproven talent (1 season wonders from smaller
clubs) into the first team from the off.

I think it's much easier for them mentally if they expend their energies at the beginning
fighting their way into the first team (however long that might take).


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« Reply #373 on: July 21, 2012, 10:38:12 PM »
We seem to like our big fish coming from small ponds.
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« Reply #374 on: July 21, 2012, 11:21:14 PM »
Which is the point really, imo.

The struggles of Henderson & Carroll (even the older Adam) to acclimatise last season
is the reason I'd be wary of slotting unproven talent (1 season wonders from smaller
clubs) into the first team from the off.

I think it's much easier for them mentally if they expend their energies at the beginning
fighting their way into the first team (however long that might take).

I suppose the only difference between Henderson and Allen is that Rodgers has coached Allen. Dalglish or his talent spotters probably bought Henderson on the back of Sunderlands 3 nil win over Chelsea where Henderson ran the show.

I understand reservations about Allen, I have them myself but the fact that Allen has played under Rodgers should potentially remove some of the element of risk in the deal.  That said he has potential to be the Henderson of this summer just like Dempsey could be the Downing.