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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #195 on: August 27, 2012, 06:38:08 PM »
Dude, did you question Rafa after two games, let alone, two seasons of robotic, "I rather draw than win a game" crap footy?

do you watch much football.

rafa performed miracles at valencia and was very successful - beating Real Madrid and Barcelona to two la liga titles.... and winning a UEFA Cup (in his three seasons).    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgzZ1OQPM4

brendan won the play-off place final, beating Reading to get out of the old second division.   
playoff final - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkXtw7vucI

so there is/was far less reason to question rafa......his CV is far superior.

but let's focus on what we believe in.  Let us build on yesterday's performance and see where it can take us.
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« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2012, 07:28:10 PM »
By the end of September we'll know how this season will work out. By then we'll have played Sunderland away, Norwich away, Stoke home, Reading home and Everton away. Those games are more season shaping than the Arsenal and Man Utd games.

Then we'll have an idea whether we're likely to need to win a cup in order to get European football or whether there's a possibility of getting it through the league. It'll will give us an idea whether Rodgers does indeed struggle away from home and/or has a plan B - the two man gripes Swansea fans had with 'his style'.
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« Reply #197 on: August 27, 2012, 09:27:58 PM »
We matched the Champions yesterday with a weaker team on paper. Yes, there was no Aguero, but we were without our best defender. It's the team performing at a higher level than the sum of it's parts. It's going to take this, plus smart buys that prove to be better than their fee would suggest, but most importantly and probably the hardest part, we'll need to perform at a consistently high level and not turn up just for the big matches.

Joe Allen doesn't look like the type that 'can't be bothered' with the lesser teams (something that has been levelled against Gerrard), and hopefully with Sahin in there it will make sure Lucas' performance levels don't drop either.

Even if our overall play is like that all season, we've still got to sort out the problems of scoring goals and keeping them out (without the level and style of playing dropping off at all). It's a huge challenge up against squads that are bigger, have a greater depth of quality, and where the players and in some cases the manager have been there longer. Newcastle's squad is probably similar to ours in terms of length of time spent together. Their advantage is the players that they brought in last Summer form the heart of the team. Ours are either on the bench or on their way out of the club.   
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #198 on: August 28, 2012, 12:27:43 PM »
do you watch much football.

rafa performed miracles at valencia and was very successful - beating Real Madrid and Barcelona to two la liga titles.... and winning a UEFA Cup (in his three seasons).

Which is why I was the happiest fucker around when we signed him. His Valencia side is one of the best footy teams I've ever seen. Their 1-0 at Bernabeu is perhaps the single most beautiful game of fooball I've ever seen during the almost 35 years I've been watching this game. Madrid had like 70 % of the possession yet the feeling was they were being totally and utterly outplayed by Valencia. Too bad he lost the plot once he won the CL. In fairness he wasn't helped by G&H being in charge but the signs were there quite early he would not do a Valencia all over again at Anfield. Also, he never really understood what it takes to win the PL. His man-management skills nex to zero (e.g. alienating Xabi for wanting to attend the birth of his child says it all really). A good manager he was for two years with us and probably the best tactician of his generation if not of all times. There's more to it than that tho. The fact he hasn't been offered a top job ever since may be an indicator of that.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #199 on: August 28, 2012, 01:42:51 PM »
Oh, I also forgot to mention I thought Shelvey had his best game in red shirt. The day that fella will learn to hit the target the goals from midfield ratio will increase heavily, I tell yous.
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« Reply #200 on: August 28, 2012, 02:56:55 PM »
Too bad he lost the plot once he won the CL. In fairness he wasn't helped by G&H being in charge but the signs were there quite early he would not do a Valencia all over again at Anfield. Also, he never really understood what it takes to win the PL. His man-management skills nex to zero (e.g. alienating Xabi for wanting to attend the birth of his child says it all really). A good manager he was for two years with us and probably the best tactician of his generation if not of all times. There's more to it than that tho. The fact he hasn't been offered a top job ever since may be an indicator of that.

you say that: "but the signs were there quite early Benitez would not do a Valencia all over again at Anfield"

but I need to remind you that it took alex ferguson, the premiership's greatest ever manager, SEVEN years to win his first title at old trafford.

the fact that he has based himself in his house on the Wirral on merseyside, tells you that he loves the area.  he doesn;t need the money, or the hassle.  The pay off alone from liverpool and inter will have set him up nicely.

why do you have to look for alterior motives for his non-employment.....the bloke is exceptionally wealthy.  he can pick, choose or ignore offers......waiting for an interesting one.

as for alonso.....alonso had had a cr.ap season.  I understood fully his reasons for looking to get big money for him (Rafa was strapped for cash at that time).  And the would-be replacement, Gareth barry, helped City win the league a few months ago. 

But personally, I would not have sold Alonso.  But then again, I was not in the job, nor did i see all the elements of the decision making process.



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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #201 on: August 28, 2012, 09:14:36 PM »
you say that: "but the signs were there quite early Benitez would not do a Valencia all over again at Anfield"

but I need to remind you that it took alex ferguson, the premiership's greatest ever manager, SEVEN years to win his first title at old trafford.

Dude mate, what I mean by that is that after two seasons the development trajectory of the team started to decline. The team became increasingly static and predictable. In fact, it was during these seasons that we finally saw the lesser teams coming to Anfield knowing running their socks off would be enough to earn a point, at least. He also fell out with Pako after 11 years. The tinkering with the team also took pace at this time. I don't mind tinkering if you're good into man-management but when you're a very distant and cold personality (something players both in Spain and England testify to) it will only bring insecurity and confusion to the players which was often displayed when the players didn't turn up for him when he needed them. What goes around an'all.

Additionally, I would say that after the CL-triumph his stubborness set in fully. He was hellbent on conveying to the world he was right and it was wrong, rather than taking a step back and doing what was best for the club. On many ocassions he put himself before the club in an unprecedented manner (Parry, Fergie-rant, "I want sole control fight with G & H, etc). Finally, I would say that his inability to let go of the Spaniard within him prevented him from ever understanding that you ALWAYS go for a win in Ingurland (which I think permanently flaws the "track record" argument, if you catch me drift?).

Don't get me wrong my friend. As I've stated time and again I couldn't believe it was true when we managed to sign him as I rated him way way above, for instance, "the special one" and many others. I truly felt he was the right man to win us no. 19. I gave him 3 and a half seasons before I gave up. I think Brendan deserves at least half that amount of time.

It's nice he's living in the area and genuinely seems to love the city and its people. I don't think that's a strong argument to bring him back tho. He may be let in again but as it is he's been sat firmly in the freezer for sometime and what he did, or didn't rather, at Liverpool I think is the main reason for that.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #202 on: August 29, 2012, 02:25:08 AM »
Puke!

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/tomkins-be-bold-be-brave

Two games in and he just can't help himself. It's a bit unfair, any fans out there 
being negative after 2 games are dubbed lunatics but surreally positive is fine...
The only bit i liked in the article was the 5 words he devoted to Henderson (who i
see as a bit of a dark horse and am hoping BR is doing a job on him by not playing
him so that the weight of the shirt feels lighter when he creeps back into the side
later in the season)

I'm not jumping to any conclusions and just watching the games. It seems a lot of
fans just can't help themselves by jumping on to a wave of optimism. We were
supposed to be under the radar this season, no talking and just roaring the team on.
Besides we've got f**k all to crow about, trashed by West Brom away from home &
threw away 2 points in our home game.

I'm not being over negative (ok, i am  :) ) here but City's first goal was a direct result of
a certain 17 year old letting Tevez in with a cross. I don't blame the kid at all but in the rush
to gush, it shouldn't be forgotten that getting a 1-0 would have been something to
genuinely be pleased with (3 points + a clean sheet).
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #203 on: August 29, 2012, 10:50:17 AM »
City's first goal was a direct result of
a certain 17 year old letting Tevez in with a cross. I don't blame the kid at all but in the rush
to gush, it shouldn't be forgotten that getting a 1-0 would have been something to
genuinely be pleased with (3 points + a clean sheet).

actually Ed, as we started to break out of our own third, it was a certain captain marvel who stupidly gave the ball away.....City then came straight back at us, with Tevez running at our wing.

but agreed with you on article.....folks need to keep their feet on the ground.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #204 on: August 29, 2012, 01:34:29 PM »
It'll be interesting to see how Rodgers integrates Sahin into the team.  Will he be played with Gerrard or will he be a direct replacement? Will he push Gerrard out to the right wing as Rafa did to incorporate Sahin? 

I have absolutely no idea about the loan signing as I've not seen him play but I understand he is a central midfield player.  Will he be able to contribute and bring a new dimension to the team?

Thoughts anyone?
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« Reply #205 on: August 29, 2012, 01:48:19 PM »
Found a bio on Sahin and may have answered my own question...lol


http://www.madridismo.org/article/nuri-sahin-5/

Nuri Sahin, a Turkish-German footballer just like Mesut Özil, plays in a variety of midfield positions for Real Madrid. His primary position is center midfielder, but he can also fill in as a defensive midfielder or a left-midfielder, although a weak right foot prevents him from doing much good on the right side of the midfield. Sahin has an extremely acute sense of the pitch, and this combined with his impressive accuracy and vision is what sets him apart from his peers.
 
Known by the nickname “The Pass Master,” Sahin has mastered the skill of efficient cross-field transfers, and his extreme precision with long-distance passes is a valuable asset to Real Madrid in a wide variety of strategic situations. Blessed with uncommonly acute vision and sense of space, Sahin can target a pass to cut through opposing formations, split the defense, and enable quick and unexpected plays that capitalize on rapid movement of the ball. In addition to his passing ability, which makes him an excellent midfielder, he is also described as a dead-ball specialist, and is a first-rate team player who always puts his squad first.
 
Having been acquired in the summer of 2011, Sahin is a recent addition to Real Madrid’s lineup, and he has yet to prove himself to head coach Jose Mourinho. Despite several impeccable performances for his national team (Turkey), Sahin has had trouble getting Mourinho’s eye and gaining his trust. In the first 9 months with the team, he has made only a few appearances, and his career with Madrid has yet to get off the ground. Sahin is, of course, not unique in this. Because Madrid attracts some of the top football talent from around the world, many players who would be stars on any other team – as Sahin is when he plays for Turkey – end up sidelined as a result of the long list of top-tier players with whom they share the Madrid roster. Still, many commentators hope that Sahin will get more chances to prove himself in the eyes of the side’s management before he becomes frustrated and seeks opportunity elsewhere.
 
Although he is a prime example of a midfield specialist, Sahin is sometimes criticized for having a lack of flexibility. He is decidedly one-footed, showing a pronounced preference for using his left foot, and has a fairly lackluster aerial game, perhaps as a result of his relatively small stature. Within the right context – dead center of the pitch with the ball at his feet – Sahin is a master. But he has trouble adapting to other situations, and this may be the reason behind Mourinho’s decision not to field Sahin in most games.
 
Bio and Career

Nuri Sahin was born in 1988 in Ludenscheid, West Germany, to Turkish parents. His early football career, which was enormously successful, was centered around the Borussia Dortmund team. Sahin started playing with Dortmund in 2000, at the age of 12, and quickly impressed his coaches, who saw enormous potential in the young midfielder. Rising quickly through the ranks, he graduated to the senior team at the tender age of 16, and became the youngest player ever to compete in the Bundesliga. On 25 November, 2005, he also became the youngest player ever to score in the league when he hammered one home in a match against Nuremburg.
 
After a brief loan period at Feyenoord (2007-2008), Sahin returned to Dortmund and became one of the team’s most important players, starting in all but one match during the 2009-10 season. The following season, he helped Dortmund in bringing home the Bundesliga title. In addition to this great honor for his team, Sahin achieved personal glory as well, as his seven goals and earned him the title of Player of the Season in 2011.
 
Following his spectacular 2010-2011 performance for Dortmund, Sahin caught the eye of Real Madrid, and the Spanish juggernauts quickly acquired him. During the 2011-2012 season, his first with Los Blancos, he has spent most of his time on the bench, due in part to pesky injuries sustained during the summer and early fall. He has, however, demonstrated that he can make a significant contribution to Real Madrid if given the opportunity in terms of minutes. During a December, 2011 appearance, one of the few times that Sahin has seen 90 minutes on the field for Real Madrid, he scored a header against Ponferradina to open up Madrid’s already commanding lead.
 
The move to Madrid was of course significant for Nuri Sahin on a professional level, but it also had a personal element to it – he is a long-time admirer of Cristiano Ronaldo and a fan of Real Madrid, and so earning a place on the team was an exciting prospect. For Sahin, playing with Real Madrid is a chance to play football at its highest level as well as an opportunity to work, train, and compete alongside his idols.
 
Sahin’s international career has been at least as successful as his club career, if not more so. Throughout his life, he has played for the Turkish national team, where he has earned the trust and support of his coaches and teammates. He was the winner of the Bronze Ball award for the 2005 U-17 World Cup in Peru, and has received personal accolades from several senior coaches and managers on the Turkish team. In addition to being the youngest player to have played and scored in Bundesliga, he holds the same honors on the Turkish team – ironically, the first goal he ever scored for Turkey was against Germany, the country where he was born.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #206 on: August 29, 2012, 03:01:39 PM »
I have absolutely no idea about the loan signing as I've not seen him play but I understand he is a central midfield player.
Gives us a bit of depth in midfield and proper options i reckon he  kindof makes Adam a bit
dispensable if we can recoup most of the fee.

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/487-seconds-of-magic-from-liverpools-nuri-sahin-set-to-terrible-music/

Whether we have enough bulk and energy with Hendo & Shelvey to round out the options...

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« Reply #207 on: August 29, 2012, 03:24:12 PM »
Excellent timing as Lucas is out for 3 months. The attacking line-up still looks short of goals and trying Downing ahead of Enrique at left back seems odd. The centre half position desperately needs to be looked at in January as Carra is out of contract in the Summer. Either that or sort out what we are doing with Kelly's position long term and Wilson.
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« Reply #208 on: August 29, 2012, 04:15:58 PM »
I have absolutely no idea about the loan signing as I've not seen him play but I understand he is a central midfield player.  Will he be able to contribute and bring a new dimension to the team?

Thoughts anyone?

like you, gurdeep, he is new to me.

but I take great faith from the fact that he won Player of the Year in Germany in 2010/11.....when dortmund won the title.

and when you recruit lads from barca or real madrid, they all have superb technical skills.
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« Reply #209 on: August 29, 2012, 04:19:17 PM »
The centre half position desperately needs to be looked at in January as Carra is out of contract in the Summer. Either that or sort out what we are doing with Kelly's position long term and Wilson.

unsure why rodgers has to tell the world that he wants to try downing at left back.....only puts additional pressure on the lad.   Actions/experiments often do not need any words.

carra is out of contract in summer....yehaaaaaa.

the 35 year old will either be opening a pub, or moving down to likes of darlington, to be player manager.
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