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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #330 on: September 16, 2012, 09:30:57 PM »
We defend like Barca, now we just need to get the scoring bit sorted. At the moment we're too much like a flacid c@ck.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #331 on: September 17, 2012, 12:29:08 AM »
Couldn't see the game live so recorded it on my already full hard-drive. Was well miffed to realise that I could only see the opening 15 minutes - out goes all the children's movies - revenge!!! 8)

Awrite, had to rely on my manc-mate to get some feedback on the game. He said we played very well throughout the game but struggled heavily to penetrate the last third.

I just have a feeling it'll be a while before things start to click for us. From the few minutes I was able to see I really thought there's something new to our game and I like that. I also think we conceded another poor goal.

As it is I'll be in Ingurland on October 25 and 26. How small a chance do I stand to get my hands on a ticket for the Derby at Goodison on the 27th? 0.6 %?

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« Reply #332 on: September 17, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »
Where abouts in england will you be Martin?

Where ever Rafa's new book goes on sale first.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #333 on: September 17, 2012, 08:24:50 AM »
Where abouts in england will you be Martin?

Not sure yet mate. I'm particpating in an informal workshop with the EU-Commission's Expert Group on Cross-Border Health Care and it's hosted by NHS. So a qualified guess would be London but it isn't confirmed yet, nor is the dates.
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« Reply #334 on: September 17, 2012, 11:46:27 AM »
Not sure yet mate. I'm particpating in an informal workshop with the EU-Commission's Expert Group on Cross-Border Health Care and it's hosted by NHS. So a qualified guess would be London but it isn't confirmed yet, nor is the dates.

Do the EU 'high ups' actually have any expertise amongst them, as most things they come up with are hair-brained and guaranteed to cost more money.  :D
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« Reply #335 on: September 17, 2012, 04:26:25 PM »
Do the EU 'high ups' actually have any expertise amongst them, as most things they come up with are hair-brained and guaranteed to cost more money.  :D

 ;D Wouldn't call myself a high up by any means, I'm merely a national expert on highly specialized services. 8) On a more serious note the EU and its beauraucrats have very limited expertise which is why they gather so called expert groups consisting of people from various memberstates.

Still, will you lot ever prove yourselves useful and cough up a ticket for the Merseyside derby?
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« Reply #336 on: September 17, 2012, 04:49:38 PM »
;D Wouldn't call myself a high up by any means, I'm merely a national expert on highly specialized services. 8) On a more serious note the EU and its beauraucrats have very limited expertise which is why they gather so called expert groups consisting of people from various memberstates.

Still, will you lot ever prove yourselves useful and cough up a ticket for the Merseyside derby?

I once knew a woman who offered 'highly specialised services'.  ;D
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« Reply #337 on: September 17, 2012, 07:10:40 PM »
Anyone notice how well Malaga are doing in La liga? Second in the league and 6 points clear of Real Madrid...A sad day that when Rafa left, we didn't go for Pelligrini....the sheikh who bought the club is vaguely back on board now as they doing so well...and despite having to sell 3 of his prime players pelligrini have got them 2nd...

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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #338 on: September 18, 2012, 08:47:48 AM »
But don't you think Pellegrini was always bound to have a better chance to succeed in Spain than in England? Rafa got 6 years and never understood how to take on the PL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t00D23R63ig
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #339 on: September 18, 2012, 01:45:58 PM »
how's David Brent doing?
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #340 on: September 18, 2012, 01:58:52 PM »
We defend like Barca, now we just need to get the scoring bit sorted. At the moment we're too much like a flacid c@ck.

we have no balance anywhere on the pitch, Tes.

we have the same level of disorganisation, as we had under hodgson and dalglish.

and upfront, what a joke. 

we were desperately lucky against sunderland.  Sunderland ran out of steam in the second half, and kept gifting us possession.  Eventually, we managed to convert a chance.

but the way that other sides line up against us, is worrying me.  WBA did it, Sunderland did it, Arsenal did it too.  They seem to have caught our one dimensional manager on.  They line up against us, as if they were the away team.  OK, Arsenal were away, but the others were playing at home.  They are happy to allow us possession, defend deep, and hit us on the counter. 

If we could score, i.e. go ahead in games, it would force other teams to come out and play.  But we cannae score. 

And that problem is not gonna be resolved any time soon.

Unless Rodgers gets his finger out, I see us as a bottom 8 team, this season, constantly looking over our shoulder.



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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #341 on: September 19, 2012, 12:05:03 AM »
It's amazing that even Wenger was able to set Arsenal up to counter attack. It's no good Rodgers saying we'll defend with the ball. You need to be able to defend without it also. Teams won't be afraid to attack us either positively or on the counter if we can't score, and merely having the ball is meaningless if we don't create chances and then put them away.

It works for Barca as they have the players to play that way and also are able to finish their chances, so teams are more afraid to come out of their defensive mindset, but against us, teams aren't worried.
They'll let us have the ball as we won't do anything with it and they always feel that they'll get a chance themselves, either what they've created or through one of our mistakes.

His first task is to sort out the team defensively and get them to close down high up the pitch. Without a defensive base you have to try and simply outscore the opposition. That won't happen every game and we certainly don't have the players to do it anyway.

History's successful teams could all defend. Only a very few teams throughout history have been able to defend merely by keeping possession. Beyond the great Brazilian teams and the Real Madrid team of the 50s there have been few others. Every other team was built from the back and on a strong defence and the defensive side of their game was as good as the offensive side.
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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #342 on: September 19, 2012, 12:45:23 AM »
yes, history tells us that 99 percent of the great teams could defend.

defence has to come first.......build from the back.

but that would mean rodgers has to drop carragher.  Jamie has no part to play in our normal starting 11.

and I cringe at gerrard....he has been at direct fault for at least two of the goals we have conceded to date....clumsily gifting the ball to the opposition, and them countering and scoring. 

people tell me how great allen is, but what exactly is he great at?  Is he a holding midfielder? No.  Is he an attacking midfielder?  No.   His goals to games played ratio is abysmal.  So what exactly is his role in central midfield.  I have no idea.

my initial solutions, would be, to drop carragher....and move gerrard out of central midfield, and play him instead on the right side.

and for goodness sake, would one of our dugout lads tell suarez to stop hoarding the ball and the chances.  Suarez is a world class creator of chances, but the lad could not score in a brothel. FFS Would someone tell the lad to fecking PASS the BALL to a colleague in a better position.   This is not rocket science.

Borini to date, looks mid table Swansea class.  And I suspect Allen is much the same.

I am scared for Liverpool this season.  We are below standard, on every measure one cares to look at.





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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #343 on: September 19, 2012, 03:42:29 AM »
and I cringe at gerrard....he has been at direct fault for at least two of the goals we have conceded to date....clumsily gifting the ball to the opposition, and them countering and scoring. 
Nah, the goal against Arsenal was a mix up between Skrtel, Allen & Sahin with the
two full backs committed too far forward.

people tell me how great allen is, but what exactly is he great at?  Is he a holding midfielder? No.  Is he an attacking midfielder?  No.   His goals to games played ratio is abysmal.  So what exactly is his role in central midfield.  I have no idea.
He's in the Lucas role at the moment, not the worst imo, comfortable on the ball, wants to
be on the ball, will probably make more happen when he's played in his position. Does get
hyped a bit though given that he's basically doing no more than would be expected of him
(i mean are expectations that low?)

Borini to date, looks mid table Swansea class.  And I suspect Allen is much the same.
I cautioned against throwing him into the first 11. Needs a goal soon!

I am scared for Liverpool this season.  We are below standard, on every measure one cares to look at.
I too get the impression that a lot of clubs are in much better shape than us. Still early days
mind and we've seen nothing of Sahin and Assaidi. But when we're seriously considering
Yesil and Morgan for first team action, it's hardly confidence building??

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Re: Season 2012-2013
« Reply #344 on: September 19, 2012, 08:02:41 AM »
I am scared for Liverpool this season.  We are below standard, on every measure one cares to look at.

Here's one measure for you mate: Our peformance, bar individual mistakes, against Man C. You're negative beyond belief my friend. Could you please repeat the record of your hero when he took over Valencia. A Valencia side that subsequently went on to play some of the best footy I've ever seen.

No one's happy with our current position but to think a decade long misuse of this great club would be fixed over night is not just naive, it borders on ignorance.

And your comments on Allen really doesn't favor you man. You're about the only person I came across having that opinon.
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