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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2012, 10:17:28 PM »
Yes he was thrown into the first 11 and should have been eased in.

Problem is, as he said himself on BL, he keeps get relocated and moving house.
No harm imo having a goal scorer round, especially if we're still in Europe.

So he should be jolly well used to it. Nothing wrong with threatening him with the removal men again unless he starts scoring.  :D

I don't think we'll see the best from him yet and I think whilst settling in he has to play centrally, which only leaves him the games when Luis is rested. So much hinges on a good January window, and despite the rhetoric, they do happen.
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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2012, 07:41:51 PM »
I see Nicholas Anelka is available after falling out with Shanghai...he can always score goals and it's been less than a year since he fell out with AVB so might be worth a speculative punt..

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2012, 08:26:10 PM »
I see Nicholas Anelka is available after falling out with Shanghai...he can always score goals and it's been less than a year since he fell out with AVB so might be worth a speculative punt..

If he were free and sensible about his wage demands. I'm guessing he's not free.
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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2012, 10:13:21 PM »
From The Times:

It was the tweet that was meant to be a denial and an attempt to put the record straight, only for it to create a sense of mystery and intrigue instead. Raheem Sterling responded to claims that he had told Liverpool that he wanted £50,000 a week to stay at the club with an outraged reaction on Twitter, but within minutes of making his feelings known the teenager had deleted the message, probably following advice from his representatives that he wasn’t helping their bargaining position.
“Morning tweeps, I’ve just woken up to this rubbish,” Sterling tweeted. “I can assure you that I’ve not asked for that stupid amount. We’re waiting until I’m 18 to sign.”


All fine and dandy and all in keeping with the reality of a situation in which Liverpool are yet to open formal negotiations with either the player or his representatives, although tentative soundings-out have been under way for several weeks.
Had he stuck to his public position there would have been no further interest and the story which had prompted him to take to Twitter in anger would have been dismissed out of hand. By erasing it, from his own timeline if not the public consciousness, the winger merely added another layer of intrigue to a situation that could and should have been resolved some time ago.


That it hasn’t is not the responsibility of Sterling. It is Liverpool who should never have let things drag out this long. The club’s official position is that Sterling cannot sign a long-term contract until he turns 18 on December 8 and that is certainly the case, but Uefa rules do not prevent a player from agreeing a deal in advance of signing it and by failing to do so in this instance Liverpool have put themselves over a barrel when negotiations finally do begin.


Contrary to Brendan Rodgers’ assertion this weekend that Sterling “has become a very talented young man in the space of four months”, the 17-year-old’s talent was well known by Liverpool long before they signed him from Queens Park Rangers in February 2010 for an initial fee of £600,000. The reason why they shelled out such a huge amount on a youngster was that he was the most highly rated player in his age group in the country.

His talent, therefore, has not been in any doubt from the moment he first walked through the Shankly Gates.
So why have Liverpool taken so long to get round to tying Sterling’s future down? There is an argument that they needed to see how he would perform in the first team before committing themselves to an expensive contract that could become a noose around the club’s neck if Sterling fails on the big stage. There is certainly merit to that point of view, but not enough to explain why they are still to agree a deal despite the England international (for that is what he will become tomorrow) being described as one of the best players in his position in the country by Rodgers.

The more important question is why Liverpool have allowed Sterling to reach so many career landmarks, the kind which inevitably increase his value, without ensuring both that his future lies with them and that they sign him up before his personal demands rise in keeping with his reputation?

Wouldn’t Sterling being called into Rodgers’ squad for Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States have been the signal to get a deal done? If not at that point, then how about after he impressed in his full debut against Manchester City, a club who have kept a watchful eye on his development over the last 12 months? Or perhaps, in the immediate aftermath of Sterling being called into the full England squad for the World Cup qualifier against Ukraine?


The meter has been running for several months and at no point have Liverpool done enough to stop it from spinning beyond their control. One thing that is not in any question is that Sterling’s personal demands and value are now at an entirely different value to what they were in August. What might have been a £10,000 – £20,000 weekly contract three months ago is now likely to cost them in the region of £30,000 a week. Considering John W Henry demands “bang for his buck”, it is unlikely that this flawed approach will win favour with Liverpool’s principal owner.

Perhaps Henry should look at himself, however, as once again the problems come down to Liverpool’s flawed hierarchical structure. After Damien Comolli was dismissed as director of football last April – the timing of which was necessary to allow the club to prepare for the summer transfer window, according to Henry – no one was appointed as a direct replacement. That meant responsibility for contracts that previously lay with Comolli fell to Ian Ayre, a managing director whose brief seems to grow with every passing day.

Unlike Manchester City who are putting a definitive football structure in place, Liverpool do not have a Txiki Begiristain, a Ferran Soriano or a Brian Marwood. And with the numerous changes that have taken place at Anfield in the last two years nor do they have continuity.
Ayre is trying to cover up all of the cracks, but with Liverpool appointing a new manager who needed to get to know the players last summer, failing to have a scouting team in place until September and going back on their initial decision to appoint a director of football, responsibility for Sterling’s contract situation could not possibly lie with him.

Now Liverpool are in a position in which they are going to have to pay Sterling more than they would want to, either for the health of their finances or the development of a teenager with so much still to learn. They have to come up with a contract that reflects Sterling’s growing importance to the team, the international recognition that has now come his way and, most importantly, the reality that he could leave for nothing more than a compensation payment in 18 months’ time.

Should Liverpool fail to pay the going rate then they will run the risk of losing him to someone who will. They now must rely on Sterling and his advisers falling in line with their belief that it is unwise to pay a teenager the kind of salary that could potentially damage him.
The director of football model was supposed to prevent this kind of situation from arising by providing continuity through an overseer who is not beholden to results, which was why it was favoured by Henry and his acolytes at Fenway Sports Group.

From the moment they dispensed with that approach without bolstering Liverpool’s structure they made it inevitable that this kind of problem would occur, at least until Rodgers becomes experienced and powerful enough to run football operations on his own.

Eighteen months ago, Comolli gave an interview in which he insisted Liverpool would not sign anyone who could potentially inhibit Sterling’s progress. He was always destined for the first team and the strong likelihood, given his talent, was that he would flourish once he got there. Liverpool should have been prepared for that eventuality but they weren’t and now Sterling and his advisers will enter into negotiations in the knowledge that the bargaining power lies with them, regardless of the contents of his hastily deleted tweet.


It's just like when Moores was in charge and he just left everything up to Parry to do, except we don't have Parry, we have the truly out of his depth, totally complacent idiot that is Ayre.

If we're not having a DOF then we need a football administrator, who is a member of the board who sorts all the contract negotiations so we start this sort of process in a timely manner and get our signing negotiated with early and just the signature is required come a window's opening day. Rodgers needs to see this as a priority in getting Henry & Co fully signed up to it and get a top man in place. It will take some of the important stuff away from Harley Ayre too, and afterall, it's Rodgers who will have his plans undermined and his job made harder if he doesn't get FSG to act.

I bet their rounders team isn't as lightweight in 'the front office'.
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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2012, 11:42:05 PM »
From The Times:

It was the tweet that was meant to be a denial and an attempt to put the record straight, only for it to create a sense of mystery and intrigue instead. Raheem Sterling responded to claims that he had told Liverpool that he wanted £50,000 a week to stay at the club with an outraged reaction on Twitter, but within minutes of making his feelings known the teenager had deleted the message, probably following advice from his representatives that he wasn’t helping their bargaining position.
“Morning tweeps, I’ve just woken up to this rubbish,” Sterling tweeted. “I can assure you that I’ve not asked for that stupid amount. We’re waiting until I’m 18 to sign.”


All fine and dandy and all in keeping with the reality of a situation in which Liverpool are yet to open formal negotiations with either the player or his representatives, although tentative soundings-out have been under way for several weeks.
Had he stuck to his public position there would have been no further interest and the story which had prompted him to take to Twitter in anger would have been dismissed out of hand. By erasing it, from his own timeline if not the public consciousness, the winger merely added another layer of intrigue to a situation that could and should have been resolved some time ago.


That it hasn’t is not the responsibility of Sterling. It is Liverpool who should never have let things drag out this long. The club’s official position is that Sterling cannot sign a long-term contract until he turns 18 on December 8 and that is certainly the case, but Uefa rules do not prevent a player from agreeing a deal in advance of signing it and by failing to do so in this instance Liverpool have put themselves over a barrel when negotiations finally do begin.


Contrary to Brendan Rodgers’ assertion this weekend that Sterling “has become a very talented young man in the space of four months”, the 17-year-old’s talent was well known by Liverpool long before they signed him from Queens Park Rangers in February 2010 for an initial fee of £600,000. The reason why they shelled out such a huge amount on a youngster was that he was the most highly rated player in his age group in the country.

His talent, therefore, has not been in any doubt from the moment he first walked through the Shankly Gates.
So why have Liverpool taken so long to get round to tying Sterling’s future down? There is an argument that they needed to see how he would perform in the first team before committing themselves to an expensive contract that could become a noose around the club’s neck if Sterling fails on the big stage. There is certainly merit to that point of view, but not enough to explain why they are still to agree a deal despite the England international (for that is what he will become tomorrow) being described as one of the best players in his position in the country by Rodgers.

The more important question is why Liverpool have allowed Sterling to reach so many career landmarks, the kind which inevitably increase his value, without ensuring both that his future lies with them and that they sign him up before his personal demands rise in keeping with his reputation?

Wouldn’t Sterling being called into Rodgers’ squad for Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States have been the signal to get a deal done? If not at that point, then how about after he impressed in his full debut against Manchester City, a club who have kept a watchful eye on his development over the last 12 months? Or perhaps, in the immediate aftermath of Sterling being called into the full England squad for the World Cup qualifier against Ukraine?


The meter has been running for several months and at no point have Liverpool done enough to stop it from spinning beyond their control. One thing that is not in any question is that Sterling’s personal demands and value are now at an entirely different value to what they were in August. What might have been a £10,000 – £20,000 weekly contract three months ago is now likely to cost them in the region of £30,000 a week. Considering John W Henry demands “bang for his buck”, it is unlikely that this flawed approach will win favour with Liverpool’s principal owner.

Perhaps Henry should look at himself, however, as once again the problems come down to Liverpool’s flawed hierarchical structure. After Damien Comolli was dismissed as director of football last April – the timing of which was necessary to allow the club to prepare for the summer transfer window, according to Henry – no one was appointed as a direct replacement. That meant responsibility for contracts that previously lay with Comolli fell to Ian Ayre, a managing director whose brief seems to grow with every passing day.

Unlike Manchester City who are putting a definitive football structure in place, Liverpool do not have a Txiki Begiristain, a Ferran Soriano or a Brian Marwood. And with the numerous changes that have taken place at Anfield in the last two years nor do they have continuity.
Ayre is trying to cover up all of the cracks, but with Liverpool appointing a new manager who needed to get to know the players last summer, failing to have a scouting team in place until September and going back on their initial decision to appoint a director of football, responsibility for Sterling’s contract situation could not possibly lie with him.

Now Liverpool are in a position in which they are going to have to pay Sterling more than they would want to, either for the health of their finances or the development of a teenager with so much still to learn. They have to come up with a contract that reflects Sterling’s growing importance to the team, the international recognition that has now come his way and, most importantly, the reality that he could leave for nothing more than a compensation payment in 18 months’ time.

Should Liverpool fail to pay the going rate then they will run the risk of losing him to someone who will. They now must rely on Sterling and his advisers falling in line with their belief that it is unwise to pay a teenager the kind of salary that could potentially damage him.
The director of football model was supposed to prevent this kind of situation from arising by providing continuity through an overseer who is not beholden to results, which was why it was favoured by Henry and his acolytes at Fenway Sports Group.

From the moment they dispensed with that approach without bolstering Liverpool’s structure they made it inevitable that this kind of problem would occur, at least until Rodgers becomes experienced and powerful enough to run football operations on his own.

Eighteen months ago, Comolli gave an interview in which he insisted Liverpool would not sign anyone who could potentially inhibit Sterling’s progress. He was always destined for the first team and the strong likelihood, given his talent, was that he would flourish once he got there. Liverpool should have been prepared for that eventuality but they weren’t and now Sterling and his advisers will enter into negotiations in the knowledge that the bargaining power lies with them, regardless of the contents of his hastily deleted tweet.


It's just like when Moores was in charge and he just left everything up to Parry to do, except we don't have Parry, we have the truly out of his depth, totally complacent idiot that is Ayre.

If we're not having a DOF then we need a football administrator, who is a member of the board who sorts all the contract negotiations so we start this sort of process in a timely manner and get our signing negotiated with early and just the signature is required come a window's opening day. Rodgers needs to see this as a priority in getting Henry & Co fully signed up to it and get a top man in place. It will take some of the important stuff away from Harley Ayre too, and afterall, it's Rodgers who will have his plans undermined and his job made harder if he doesn't get FSG to act.

I bet their rounders team isn't as lightweight in 'the front office'.
Tes I think you have to question the motivations of such an article.

Tony Barrett I presume.

Presumably it would be wonderful for him to have a big negative story
about LFC to get him through the winter months.

I find it pathetic that he's reduced to forensically analysing the Twitter
account of a 17-year old to write a 1000 word article full of bitchy
conjecture. Gimme a break what an *sshole :'(

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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2012, 11:53:44 PM »
Journalist will act like a journalist, it's the DNA, dontcha know.

It doesn't alter the fact we've glued our running spikes to the starting block yet again. We run a risk of losing a home produced talent if we're not careful. We never did learn from the McManaman debacle.

We so need to sort out things off the pitch. If we did then any transition from one manager to another would be underpinned so that he picks up the reins much more easily and smoothly. We used to be the shining example of how to do it, now we're the lesson everyone else learns from - the 'How not to run a football club' for dummies.
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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2012, 01:51:12 AM »
Anelka is an interesting one.

My two interests would be the dutch lad, Huntelaar, or Newcastle's Ba.

I'd call Suarez into my office and ask him how him and Huntelaar  got on when playing together as strikers for Ajax.  Huntelaar might be 29, but if we could nab him for 6 to 10 million (various newspapers quote such numbers), then he could be a decent buy.  He is an out and out striker, so Suarez would have to take a step back.  But in my eyes, Suarez has always been a typical number 7 anyway (like keegan).

Ba is the other lad of interest.  Unsure of how he is getting on this season.  But he was on fire last year.  Again, like Huntelaar, his contract issues could mean he could be picked up for decent money.

Hell, our owners could do worse that go out and buy both players!




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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2012, 06:44:24 AM »
Agreed...at first i was uncertain about Ba...as he is Senegalese and he'd be off for 2 months to the african nations cup, but as Senegal have been banned from it for rioting and he has a 7 mil buy out clause, it would be a good deal...same with huntelaar for 7/8 mil...
sensible buys at good prices...who the hell thought it was wise to let Kenny spend what he wanted?

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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2012, 02:19:49 PM »
Agreed...at first i was uncertain about Ba...as he is Senegalese and he'd be off for 2 months to the african nations cup, but as Senegal have been banned from it for rioting and he has a 7 mil buy out clause, it would be a good deal...same with huntelaar for 7/8 mil...
sensible buys at good prices...who the hell thought it was wise to let Kenny spend what he wanted?

good point about the Senegal ban.  I had forgotten about that.

yes, it tells you an awful lot about the intelligence levels at Liverpool, among it's management and scouting network, that we wasted so much money under Dalglish.

and we still do not have a top notch network in place.....unless one counts distinctly average ex Bolton and Man City people, now at Anfield.

smart people identify great opportunities.  Dumb people throw endless money at problems, hoping to get lucky.
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Re: January Transfer Window
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2012, 06:12:05 PM »
Don't get your hopes up that we'll get someone like Huntelaar or Ba.

Brendan has about £10m to play with in January which isn't enough for Huntelaar or Ba.

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2012, 06:42:45 PM »
Don't get your hopes up that we'll get someone like Huntelaar or Ba.

Brendan has about £10m to play with in January which isn't enough for Huntelaar or Ba.

Presumably he could sell or include a player in any deal or enter
into some kind of agreement regarding our Summer exits (does
anyone seriously think Andy Carroll will ever wear the red shirt
again under Rodgers).

Don't know if Joe Cole is going to feature much for us this season,
unless there are plans to use him in the Europa league (if we remain
in that competition). He might fancy playing some footie in the new year.

Anyway there are options, so let's hope we can do some business.

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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2012, 07:48:36 PM »
Agreed...at first i was uncertain about Ba...as he is Senegalese and he'd be off for 2 months to the african nations cup, but as Senegal have been banned from it for rioting and he has a 7 mil buy out clause, it would be a good deal...same with huntelaar for 7/8 mil...
sensible buys at good prices...who the hell thought it was wise to let Kenny spend what he wanted?

Isn't Ba's £7M buyout clause just for CL teams?
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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2012, 07:52:38 PM »
Don't get your hopes up that we'll get someone like Huntelaar or Ba.

Brendan has about £10m to play with in January which isn't enough for Huntelaar or Ba.

I guess it depends on whether Schalke are certain he won't sign a new contract and whether there'd prefer to keep him or cash in with the emphasis being on actually seeing a deal go through.

Last January most people agreed we needed a goalscorer/striker and we're arguably weaker than we were last January, so £10M is hardly going to make a ripple.
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2012, 08:05:25 PM »
There's a soaking silly rumour about Ian Doyle saying there'll be a big transfer story in tomorrow's Daily Post.

Probably getting N'Gog back as we're desperate for a striker with desperate being the operative word.

What's Voronin up to these days?
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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2012, 08:26:31 PM »
Apparently Wenger is resigned to Walnut coming to us and is sorting out a replacement. Unless I read it wrong and Wenger is resigning with Walcott taking over.

I'd better not consult Twitter.
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