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How should the club deal with it?

Give him the £50K his representative is allegedly asking for
0 (0%)
Offer him £15K-£20K with an annual review based on performances
5 (71.4%)
Offer him £25K with huge appearance, goal, assist bonuses
2 (28.6%)
Cash in if we get a top offer
0 (0%)
Other - please explain what
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2012, 10:15:27 PM »
in my day, you had to clean your own boots and cut the grass, and paint the lines.

And that was after you'd earned it cleaning out the dinosaurs.  ;D
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2012, 10:16:53 PM »
in my day the dinosaurs, were those who were one year older...........those 2 and 3 years older were practically antics, at death's door.


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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2012, 10:22:50 PM »
we'd still lose the player cos we're being tight...

We've got many years and many examples to expunge before we could ever be accused of that.
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2012, 08:33:45 PM »
I see Manure are now being linked with Sterling in January...

http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/united_want_sterling_771942/index.shtml
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2012, 10:28:08 PM »
I see Manure are now being linked with Sterling in January...

http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/united_want_sterling_771942/index.shtml
It just doesn't bode well for the long term future of
the player at the club. This should have been a formality
with a lot of goodwill on both sides (e.g. Suso). The fact
that it appears to be descending into a media war of
words reflects poorly on the player and his advisers.

Either he wants to play for LFC or he doesn't. Seriously
if it drags on any longer the answer to that question
is crystal clear. He wants to be a professional but is behaving
like an amateur. If first team football at LFC isn't good enough
for him at 18 and he needs to be paid exorbitant amounts
to put on the red shirt then it's simply not a difficult decision for
the club to make and we move on.

When Luis joined us he was on in the region of 40k
per week (and had done a hell of a lot more in the game).

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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2012, 12:42:43 AM »
It just doesn't bode well for the long term future of
the player at the club. This should have been a formality
with a lot of goodwill on both sides (e.g. Suso). The fact
that it appears to be descending into a media war of
words reflects poorly on the player and his advisers.

Either he wants to play for LFC or he doesn't. Seriously
if it drags on any longer the answer to that question
is crystal clear. He wants to be a professional but is behaving
like an amateur. If first team football at LFC isn't good enough
for him at 18 and he needs to be paid exorbitant amounts
to put on the red shirt then it's simply not a difficult decision for
the club to make and we move on.

When Luis joined us he was on in the region of 40k
per week (and had done a hell of a lot more in the game).

Exactly. Whilst he's got talent, he's not creating or scoring too many, and he plays in one of three positions that demand those things. Suso is a year older yet appreciates his entire situation. If he goes chasing the cash he's going to lose the opportunity of regular football. His choice.
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2012, 01:23:40 AM »
Exactly. Whilst he's got talent, he's not creating or scoring too many, and he plays in one of three positions that demand those things. Suso is a year older yet appreciates his entire situation. If he goes chasing the cash he's going to lose the opportunity of regular football. His choice.
That's why I think their overall strategy is amateur
and not in the best interests of the player.

My presumption is that whatever is on the table is
reasonably fair given the circumstances and unlikely
to change significantly.

So the tactic of going to the press at this early early
stage of his career attempting to hold us over the barrel
with potential surely begs the question what are
we to expect further down the line? & puts other clubs on
notice about the class of adviser the player has.

To be fair to Brendan in this instance he was spot on about
what he said in relation to it last week and seeing his words
so transparently twisted by representatives of a player of
the football club is imo wholly disrespectful to LFC.

I'm just not in the boat where it's softly softly clinging desperately
to a player whose representatives aren't showing an ounce of
respect or loyalty to anything the club has done to bring him this far.

If he leaves he was going anyway so whatever.

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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2012, 05:06:37 PM »
That's why I think their overall strategy is amateur
and not in the best interests of the player.

My presumption is that whatever is on the table is
reasonably fair given the circumstances and unlikely
to change significantly.

So the tactic of going to the press at this early early
stage of his career attempting to hold us over the barrel
with potential surely begs the question what are
we to expect further down the line? & puts other clubs on
notice about the class of adviser the player has.

To be fair to Brendan in this instance he was spot on about
what he said in relation to it last week and seeing his words
so transparently twisted by representatives of a player of
the football club is imo wholly disrespectful to LFC.

I'm just not in the boat where it's softly softly clinging desperately
to a player whose representatives aren't showing an ounce of
respect or loyalty to anything the club has done to bring him this far.

If he leaves he was going anyway so whatever.

For every Keegan there's a Dalgish  ;D

It's poor representation that's Sterling's problem. Most agents appear to only look at the financial side, rather than the entire pictturre.

Agree with you re the line Rodgers has taken, it's pretty much what the concensus is on here, however I don't like the fact that his words (however it happened and I'm not neccessarily blaming him) were seen in printed. Those sorts of conversations are private between manager and player.

As usually though because of the amount that has appeared in the media, we don't know the exact  situation.
Sterling may be happy with what's been offered (if anything has) and understands the situation, like Suso did, and understands that at this stage of his career it's the learning and development aspects that counts. Done correctly, the big contracts will follow.

One of the advantages for younger players is that their chances of getting 1st team football and hence the chance to gain experience and hopefully develop, have increased at our club due to the paucity of the squad.
That is something young players both at the club and any potential targets need to consider. It's unlikely they will be displaced by a mass influx and big name or at least quality, established players, either. We may bring a few 'established' players but even they are going to be on the younger side and therefore not as established as the likes of Downing, for example, was.

We need a certain amount of experience for younger players to gain the best chance to maximise and enhance their development, but we're not going to get a squad full of such.
Also, as it's the manager's professed intention to allow chances for and bring in and develop players rather than just do a 'City' or 'Chelsea' and bring in the ready made solution, we could be a good place for young and younger players to thrive and get their chance.

I have no problem with 'developing to sell' as long as those we sell are not the first choice and cream, but those who are at best, squad players or those struggling to break into the squad, and we make sure we insert 'sell on' and/or 'buy back' clauses so we maximise the benefit to us, and it help either provide funds, or see players we don't have room or chance to develop, develop at other clubs and then we have a chance to get them back already developed.

If done properly we will have a chance of increasing transfer revenue, through sell on gains and to maybe be able to re-employ players that are now game ready, but it's going to depend on the club recruiting someone who can get the financial/contractual side right (depending on whether there's a chance we may look to get them back or whether they are definately not what we want) and also scouts to monitor progress and maybe another set of eyes to help the manager decide whether to take them back or let them go forever. It's going to need quite a specialist eye for getting these decisions right.   
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2012, 08:51:15 AM »
It just doesn't bode well for the long term future of
the player at the club. This should have been a formality
with a lot of goodwill on both sides (e.g. Suso). The fact
that it appears to be descending into a media war of
words reflects poorly on the player and his advisers.

Either he wants to play for LFC or he doesn't. Seriously
if it drags on any longer the answer to that question
is crystal clear. He wants to be a professional but is behaving
like an amateur. If first team football at LFC isn't good enough
for him at 18 and he needs to be paid exorbitant amounts
to put on the red shirt then it's simply not a difficult decision for
the club to make and we move on.

When Luis joined us he was on in the region of 40k
per week (and had done a hell of a lot more in the game).

Echoes my sentiments exactly. Well said. Anything he can be, he will be at Liverpool and no place else.

Until Saturday he was a child, at least according to the UN children's convention. Furthermore the fella seems to have a somewhat troublesome background being brought up in poor circumstances. Being a father of 2 or 3 at such young age tells me a lot he's far from being the finished article when it comes to make important decisions.
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Re: Sterling's contract situation
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2012, 12:53:46 PM »
I agree with most of what has been said by folks above.

OK, the media will make hay with any type of story like this one, where there is delays and indecision.

It most likely will get signed eventually.

But I got the clear vibe, last year, that this youngster was in no doubt as to his own potential worth - when he haranged dalglish to get a game in the first eleven.  That was previously pretty much unheard of.    I reckoned then, that we had potential trouble on our hands.

He has to be managed properly.  His feet need to be kept on the ground.
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