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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1470 on: April 17, 2015, 06:42:18 PM »
224 is just a fickle cheerleader for the current regime.

He doesn't know where the project is going but cheers along
even as the evidence outside the Liverpool bubble begins to
mount.

It's all about trajectory be it Suarez Ajax -> Liverpool -> Barcelona or
now Mourinho (wins C1C and title in year 2, further consolidation year 3)
and LVG (title contenders and competitive in all competitions year 2).

Last season was a one off stemming from the ascendance of Suarez's trajectory,
and momentary stalls by the Chelsea and United juggernauts (Basically United are
now last years Chelsea). The absence of any cup competitions further favouring our run
in the league.

The stars lined up for the briefest of moments and we blew it.

This season, year 3, is more about our level under Rodgers. The level is a club
unable to compete in the tradition of LFC. It's the reason why the realists on here
were vehemently against the appointment 3 years ago.

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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1471 on: April 17, 2015, 07:15:19 PM »
the fact we had Suarez saved Rodgers.

Without Suarez, we see his true level.

Why spend 215 million quid over these three years, and be sitting 5th or 6th, when you can spend 10 shillings, and be in the same position, like a Southampton or an Everton type club.
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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1472 on: April 17, 2015, 10:33:00 PM »
the fact we had Suarez saved Rodgers.

Without Suarez, we see his true level.

Why spend 215 million quid over these three years, and be sitting 5th or 6th, when you can spend 10 shillings, and be in the same position, like a Southampton or an Everton type club.

Can you imagine what jems Rafa would have bought for 215 mil? Rodgers has only just got rid of a few of the old guard this year...and yet he's still reliant on Skrtel and Lucas to prop us up...

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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1473 on: April 17, 2015, 11:01:23 PM »
the fact we had Suarez saved Rodgers.
I disagree Dude.

In my opinion he had more scope back then (fans were likely to be patient)
to put in place footballing foundations, which would mean it would be clearer
now the direction in which the club was heading.

Instead he rode the Suarez wave as if it was the product of his own genius. So,
at the end of year 3 (with all that money spent) it's unclear what LFC represents
under Rodgers and where we're going (Anyone who thinks they know should look
at Southampton beside us in the table and how we were laughed out of Europe).

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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1474 on: April 18, 2015, 09:18:21 AM »
Lucas Leiva is my MOTM.

I just had to highlight that.

Welcome, new person. We used to have a member, coincidentally, called Martinmax, who simply had zero appreciation of anything Lucas did. I'm so glad you don't see things the same way, and can appreciate what Lucas brings.   :D

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« Reply #1475 on: April 18, 2015, 09:37:10 AM »
He holds Dortmund in high regard, but it sounds like he is fed up with losing his top players each summer, and wants to try a new challenge.

The key is where he says he does not want a sabbatical - but rather wants to move straight into a new job.

Unfortunately Liverpool are a selling club, just like Dortmund.

And his star has definitely wained this season.

Rafa is still definitely my man for the Anfield hotseat.  Or else Ancellotti - i.e. people with experience and loads of trophies below their belt. 

But Klopp may be a decent third choice.



Is Klopp a busted flush, or just worn down by being Munich's nursery club, massively overachieving on that basis?

Klopp in terms of personality is the perfect Liverpool manager. He does things his way, non-conformist without being so intentionally or for the sake of it, but everything is grounded in respect and humility.

We took a far bigger chance appointing Rodgers, and then letting him/the transfer committee (grey men in [insert some ridiculously expensive designer name] grey [or whatever the en vogue colour is] suits loose with a huge kitty last Summer, when their previous record(s) suggested another Comolli/Dalglish sized wall p!ssing exercise would be the result, that's without the instability always created by a mass influx of players.

Klopp would be a lesser risk. Any managerial appointment or player signing is a risk of some sort, but like many of those you can mitigate some of it by the actual choice in question.

What have we got to lose? We've become the recent incarnation of Spurs, and could, more chillingly, become the Aston Villa of the O'Neill era (which we're not far off), and then even worse, beyond the O'Neill era.
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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1476 on: April 18, 2015, 09:43:51 AM »
If I'm honest, I don't really understand the LFC project as it currently stands.

Shoulder to shoulder with you on that one, Ed.

Danny Ings (free transfer, huge wages and Sterling's dummy being thrown again), Yannick Bolasie etc are our debatible upgrades with the inflationary and unrealistic costs attached for this Summer.

See where I'm going with the Villa comparison?
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Re: Season 2014/15
« Reply #1477 on: April 18, 2015, 09:46:36 AM »
Pascoe has been his assistant everywhere so it was natural for him to take him here

Dude's and Ed's point, very well made.
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« Reply #1478 on: April 18, 2015, 09:49:41 AM »
However to cloud that we have transfer committee which clouds a lot of things.

We've said this many times. It's impossible to place the blame solely at the manager's door. All we can say is the combined efforts have been poor (and I'm in charitable mood).
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« Reply #1479 on: April 18, 2015, 09:54:19 AM »
is Pascoe good enough for a top club.

and Barry Hunter, and the other ex-Man City scouts......if they wer enot good enough for City, then why would they be good enough for Liverpool.

Reminds of the era when we had Joe Corrigan as our goalkeeping coach......and I was always perplexed as to why.

And let's remember these were the top scouts for a club who had been 'buying' any trinket their current manager wanted, and Hughes and Mancini both amassed full jewellery boxes. Hardly a good fit for the way the owners wanted us to work.

We needed a Geoff Twentyman, we got a pair of Collette Rooneys.
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« Reply #1480 on: April 18, 2015, 09:56:43 AM »
entity which prioritises qualifying for tournaments at the expense of actually competing in tournaments.

EXACTLY.
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« Reply #1481 on: April 18, 2015, 10:04:49 AM »
It's Swansea with a bigger budget. I note Swansea are currently on the points total
Rodgers finished with them. Should we hire Garry Monk? or so the logic goes...

Problem is the Roll Royce managers, the serious players with ambitions to win the CL
every season, have no desire to return to the tight budgets of their early years.

Maybe winning the FA cup will earn Rodgers a reprieve (stave off pressing questions
about our squad investment and subsequent performance in Europe) and to be fair,
given 2006 (I think?) is our last majorish trophy, it's not to be sniffed at.

The horror is that, should we not win the FA cup, we could be set to invest another sh*t
load of cash in the Summer transfer market under the current regime :o The gulf simply
widens. That's why I really don't understand the direction the club is heading in.

We've spent a 'helluva lot' of money under FSG. Given to the right manager and spent prudently and the right quality, quantity and in the required areas and we should be competing at the very top of a pretty average league.

FSG's problem is not financial, rather they have too little knowledge/interest in who is required to be in the top positions at the club, and their managerial and CEO appointments, plus other supporting cast member appointments have shown this. It started off well getting rid of Hodgson, but it's the appointing part where they have fallen down in a big way.
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« Reply #1482 on: April 18, 2015, 10:13:58 AM »
Why spend 215 million quid over these three years, and be sitting 5th or 6th, when you can spend 10 shillings, and be in the same position, like a Southampton or an Everton type club.

(Anyone who thinks they know should look
at Southampton beside us in the table and how we were laughed out of Europe).

That's one of the most annoying aspects is that it takes us spending a comparative fortune to match clubs like Southampton and Everton, who do it by having to sell their better players and spend comparative pennies on the replacements. They even integrate forced larger number recruitments into the team/squad better than we do considering their financial restraint, and therefore much narrower fields of choice when compared to us.
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« Reply #1483 on: April 18, 2015, 12:28:43 PM »
Just sayin IF City beat them, and then Chelsea, and the bitters do us a service AND Arsenal get a result WHILE we reproduce something similar to the form we showed between december and mid-March THEN 4th is possible. City's got arguably the easiest remaining fixture list.  No chance we'll catch them even if we win our last 7 games.

IF. Indeed.  ;D
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