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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2016, 05:10:40 PM »
When you think how many players were again brought in during the Summer and at what cost, can you honestly say we'd have 'missed out' if Klopp had been here and for the sake of argument, hadn't brought in any of the players we did in the Summer, with the possible exception of Firmino, who he would be more familiar with himself than Rodgers or the transfer committee bods?

All that money's been spent and committed in contracts. Surely we'd be further forward now, or set up better for the mid to long term than we are at the moment.

exactly.

but the failure to do the thing right - and sack Rodgers in the summer, was only one more example of our owner's being on a slow learning curve.

Like I mean, we were awful last season - and we went on an awful run in the final three months - culminating in the penultimate game of the season by being beaten at Anfield by Palace 3-1, and then on the final day, a 6-1 thrashing at Stoke.   

Only mugs would have allowed the mouth to continue.  Only mugs.

And as you say, the knock-on effect, of allowing major money to be spent in the summer, and the long term contracts that go with the new players, on more dross.

Failure to sack Rodgers in May, has put the club back further than it needed to be.


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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2016, 05:15:26 PM »
It's not the first time he's been allowed to talk to another club but the move hasn't gone through due to his demands.

He'll have to be far more realistic come the end of June, and realise that he's 30, has hardly played any football for the last two seasons, a lot of that due to injury, and clubs won't give long term, high salary contracts to a player of his age, who's missed a lot of football through injury and hasn't been able to prove his top level fitness because of a lack of games.

yes, he's seeing out the lucrative final months of his Anfield contract - but he may be being short-sighted.

As you say, what club is going to give him a decent long term contract, at this point.  The lad has shown no motivation to want to play week in week out. 

Too many lads on big contracts.

We need more incentive based contracts in the future.

I am happy that Chelsea have that policy - of only offering one year contracts, to lads over 30.  ANd I see this weekend that John Terry may move on - after Chelsea delaying any new one year contract, til after they appoint  anew boss in the summer. 

We need to have the one year contract, after 30 years of age rule, at Anfield.  It gives old multimillionaires an incentive to give their all.
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2016, 10:40:40 PM »
exactly.

but the failure to do the thing right - and sack Rodgers in the summer, was only one more example of our owner's being on a slow learning curve.

Like I mean, we were awful last season - and we went on an awful run in the final three months - culminating in the penultimate game of the season by being beaten at Anfield by Palace 3-1, and then on the final day, a 6-1 thrashing at Stoke.   

Only mugs would have allowed the mouth to continue.  Only mugs.

And as you say, the knock-on effect, of allowing major money to be spent in the summer, and the long term contracts that go with the new players, on more dross.

Failure to sack Rodgers in May, has put the club back further than it needed to be.

Unfortunately Dude until they appoint one or two real football people to the board, even if it's in a more non-executive advisory capacity, disband the transfer committee in it's current form and place total trust and faith in Klopp to run the football side exactly as he sees fit and best to do, then they'll continue to make expensive mistakes. A proper CEO wouldn't go amiss either.
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2016, 12:47:49 AM »
Unfortunately Dude until they appoint one or two real football people to the board, even if it's in a more non-executive advisory capacity, disband the transfer committee in it's current form and place total trust and faith in Klopp to run the football side exactly as he sees fit and best to do, then they'll continue to make expensive mistakes. A proper CEO wouldn't go amiss either.

yes, the Transfer Committee has to be dismissed.  Klopp and his German colleague will have forgotten more than our bunch of amateurs will have ever known (about the european market). 

The couple of yanks on the committee should have nothing to do with the playing side of the club.

And we need a new Chief Scout. 

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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2016, 08:34:41 AM »
And we need a new Chief Scout.

And one with a passport so he could scout players outside of just the PL.

At the moment the club just feels like it's set up to fail and underachieve because the owners want their stupid American sports model inflicted on a British (proper) football club.

The stadium, they've got spot on in my opinion. Keep the world famous Anfield, not some soulless, ugly, dick swinging manifestation of a clueless American architect's tasteless imagination, with a ridiculously high capacity just to match the Mancs for the sake of it.

Look at the mess Lerner, another American 'sports franchise' owner, has inflicted on one of our most historical clubs. The league's bad enough without the likes of Leeds and Forest (another European cup winner), but we're going to lose another former European Cup winner and it will be a long time before Villa get back I fear.

Why isn't someone like Steve Heighway on the board? Hugely intelligent individual, who played under both Shanks and Sir Bob and was in charge of youth development during our most productive years, and just to satisfy those that place weight on such things, he's degree qualified too.
The board has to be more balanced between ownership interest/business heads and football people. Surely you need knowledge about the business you're trading in as well as business savvy.
Phil Thompson's no mug either. He has coaching experience (was rather successful with the reserves until Souness fell out with him) and more than held the fort admirably during Houllier's absence. Former club captain, played under both the greats like Heighway.

These are people who understand football, and the dearth of football knowledge throughout the administrative side is staggering. It's not like Werner and Henry have to worry about dealing with non-business types as they're never here. A conference call is the nearest they get to it, but seeing as our chairman can't be bothered to rip himself away from America and be based over here, it's even more important that the CEO is a capable football operator, both in the understanding of the game and also a canny political operator within football's various corridors of power, as well as being a tough operator on the transfer side.
Ayre always comes across as what he essentially is - a smarmy, self satisfied salesman.
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #95 on: February 03, 2016, 01:35:30 PM »
Excellent points Tes.  Does make we wonder what the hell Dalglish, Rush et al are doing in their roles at the club.  Purely window dressing I guess......
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #96 on: February 03, 2016, 03:11:50 PM »
Excellent points Tes.  Does make we wonder what the hell Dalglish, Rush et al are doing in their roles at the club.  Purely window dressing I guess......

A corporate sop to the consumers, aka club ambassadors, what ever a club ambassador is and for what ever reason a club would need an ambassador.

I think the problem is that we see the club as a sporting entity, and within sport your aim is to win. That's the most basic essence of sport, competing and aiming to win.

Sport to an American equals money. Their entire sporting world, whatever the sport, is a vehicle for advertising, to sell things, to make money. There aren't any fans, they're consumers and in the really expensive seats, clients.

Yesterday, when City appointed Guardiola, I thought wow, they're really going for it. Mansour is deadly serious about making City THE club. Whether owning the best club in the world sheds a great reflection on Abu Dhabi or it's simply about having the best, either way this guy wants to win and win on the football pitch.
He may never get near COMS himself but instead appoints the best to make sure it happens anyway.

Our lot. They want to win on the balance sheet only. That's what you do in sport. That's where the result really counts. It's only soccer. It's not even a real sport. We don't wave hot dog stained foam hands whilst watching it. They can't drag themselves away from their beloved Red Sox long enough to appoint the same sort of quality people to run their other team, that does actually play in red socks.
They're involved enough to dictate a farcical way of working, but then won't turn up to see the culminated mess for themselves.

Of course, all the above is said tongue in cheek. 'Cos our guys are just swell, really.'
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2016, 01:33:12 PM »



“I had no problem with Brendan Rodgers and we had a bond until, for some reason that remains a mystery to me, he changed,” Lazar Markovic told Turkish newspaper Fanatik.
   
"He stopped playing me and then at the start of the season he didn’t even include me in the squad.
"And nobody explained to me what was going on or what his plans were, so I decided to leave.”


Isn't it ironic that when in front of a microphone, Rodgers can't ever shut his big fat idiotic gobshite mouth.   But behind the scenes, a lad like Markovic is kept in the dark about what is happening.

There is something very badly wrong with this picture.   


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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2016, 01:40:47 PM »
At the moment the club just feels like it's set up to fail and underachieve because the owners want their stupid American sports model inflicted on a British (proper) football club.

The stadium, they've got spot on in my opinion.

Look at the mess Lerner, another American 'sports franchise' owner, has inflicted on one of our most historical clubs.

Why isn't someone like Steve Heighway on the board?

The board has to be more balanced between ownership interest/business heads and football people.   What about Phil Thompson.

seeing as our chairman can't be bothered to rip himself away from America and be based over here, it's even more important that the CEO is a capable football operator, both in the understanding of the game and also a canny political operator within football's various corridors of power, as well as being a tough operator on the transfer side.

excellent post, Tes.  Top notch set of points.

It all comes down to owners who, as you say, want to inflict their US style of ownership on the club.

Yankees always number crunch.  And they always look towards the bottom line. 

Well number crunching, aka MoneyBall, after only 5 years in operation, has given us a woeful playing squad.   And a woeful playing squad means no Champions League football any time soon.  Which means no profit. 

Really, our owner's arrogance is their downfall.  Typical yankee arrogance.

They will leave us with the much needed stadium development in place.

But honestly, if they refuse to get some humility, and top football people to run the club, then I genuinely wish they would sell up and leave.





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« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2016, 11:52:09 PM »
excellent post, Tes.  Top notch set of points.

It all comes down to owners who, as you say, want to inflict their US style of ownership on the club.

Yankees always number crunch.  And they always look towards the bottom line. 

Well number crunching, aka MoneyBall, after only 5 years in operation, has given us a woeful playing squad.   And a woeful playing squad means no Champions League football any time soon.  Which means no profit. 

Really, our owner's arrogance is their downfall.  Typical yankee arrogance.

They will leave us with the much needed stadium development in place.

But honestly, if they refuse to get some humility, and top football people to run the club, then I genuinely wish they would sell up and leave.

Surely when they look at the amounts spent and compare it to the position we find ourselves in and the positions we've found ourselves in during their entire tenure with one abnormal exception, which excluding Hodgy, covers three different managers, surely they must see that the way they have set out simply is not working, and it's not working because they lack the understanding and knowledge to be able to develop or simply dictate a way of working. They're not experts in the sporting side of the business, and for a business built on sport to be successful the sporting side has to be successful and that requires knowledge they don't have. They wouldn't ask Klopp for business orientated advice for the same reason that they can't simply lay out a way of working. Now they have one of the world's best managers, and that's a pretty widespread acknowledgement, they ought to leave the sporting operating model to the expert.
What's the point of appointing an expert if they're going to tell that expert how to do the job? 
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #100 on: February 07, 2016, 09:34:02 AM »
Surely when they look at the amounts spent and compare it to the position we find ourselves in and the positions we've found ourselves in during their entire tenure with one abnormal exception, which excluding Hodgy, covers three different managers, surely they must see that the way they have set out simply is not working, and it's not working because they lack the understanding and knowledge to be able to develop or simply dictate a way of working. They're not experts in the sporting side of the business, and for a business built on sport to be successful the sporting side has to be successful and that requires knowledge they don't have.

What's the point of appointing an expert if they're going to tell that expert how to do the job?

absolutely.

I would love to see research and a case study done about football ownership, and the styles of foreign and local owners.

my suspicion is that we would see similar approaches from American owners, like FSG and Villa's Randy Learner.

I have lived among Americans now for some 8 years.  And the over-riding thing is an arrogance.   They think they are the number one country on this planet.  They look down upon everyone else - and Europeans are socialists/communists/marxists, etc, etc.

Most look upon quaint little England with limited respect.   They would try and tell your granny how to suck eggs.

The lack of humility, and the inability to listen and learn, is a common trait.

Hell, they refuse to call football football - I have to say SOCCER, in order for them to comprehend.

After taking Villa to high premiership levels - Martin O'Neill walked out.  He had taken Villa to 6th, 6th and 6th, in three consecutive years.  Over the years since he left, the club have been on a downward spiral.  Villa are now in desperate shape, facing almost certain relegation. 

If FSG refuse to learn, then the awful squad that we presently have (thanks to their nutty MoneyBall  and amateur Transfer Committee), will be come the norm at Anfield.  And we too, like Villa, will begin to fight battles at the wrong end of the table.

I would say to FSG - FFS listen!   It's not too late.  And if you refuse to listen, then protect your initial investment  i.e. sell and get the feck out now.
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #101 on: February 07, 2016, 06:21:22 PM »
absolutely.

I would love to see research and a case study done about football ownership, and the styles of foreign and local owners.

my suspicion is that we would see similar approaches from American owners, like FSG and Villa's Randy Learner.

I have lived among Americans now for some 8 years.  And the over-riding thing is an arrogance.   They think they are the number one country on this planet.  They look down upon everyone else - and Europeans are socialists/communists/marxists, etc, etc.

Most look upon quaint little England with limited respect.   They would try and tell your granny how to suck eggs.

The lack of humility, and the inability to listen and learn, is a common trait.

Hell, they refuse to call football football - I have to say SOCCER, in order for them to comprehend.

After taking Villa to high premiership levels - Martin O'Neill walked out.  He had taken Villa to 6th, 6th and 6th, in three consecutive years.  Over the years since he left, the club have been on a downward spiral.  Villa are now in desperate shape, facing almost certain relegation. 

If FSG refuse to learn, then the awful squad that we presently have (thanks to their nutty MoneyBall  and amateur Transfer Committee), will be come the norm at Anfield.  And we too, like Villa, will begin to fight battles at the wrong end of the table.

I would say to FSG - FFS listen!   It's not too late.  And if you refuse to listen, then protect your initial investment  i.e. sell and get the feck out now.

Every single nail hit firmly on the head.

They have no comprehension that the whole world isn't the same as their country. They can't embrace other cultures. Acknowledgement of ways of life different to the 'American Dream' can't be made or an understanding even partly grasped.

I think the running of clubs in a certain 'imported, pre-set, pig-headed' way is pretty unique to American owners.

There's now any number of different nationalities owning clubs throughout the PL and Football League, but I can't think of a common thread amongst owners of the same nationality at different clubs.

One thing is quite common though and that's the lack of respect and understanding given to fans and what their football club means to them. The Cardiff owner wanting to completely change the colour of kit from blue to red. Within football there's no greater opposite to blue than red, and vice versa. The Hull City owner wanting to change the name of the club.
Thankfully so far there's only been the one transplant of a club in the case of Wimbledon to Milton Keynes, but by keeping 'Dons' in the name, the owners showed their complete lack of understanding of the spirit and spiritual side of the game.
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2016, 04:58:27 PM »
Chelsea's Willian talks about the Teixeira transfer.

Willian said: "I wish him all the best in China. I’m sure that the financial aspect was crucial for his decision.

He’s a very good player and could easily adapt to English football. I’d personally be happy if he’d come to the Premier League or even to another big European club. As it would increases his chances to play for Selecao.

They prefer to sell to small clubs that can afford a higher fee than selling them to traditional clubs that wouldn’t pay the same amount of money. That’s the case for Teixeira, and it has also happened with me.

I know myself how difficult it is to negotiate with Shakhtar Donetsk. I suffered for two years there willing to leave the club
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2016, 11:16:51 PM »
Chelsea's Willian talks about the Teixeira transfer.

Willian said: "I wish him all the best in China. I’m sure that the financial aspect was crucial for his decision.

He’s a very good player and could easily adapt to English football. I’d personally be happy if he’d come to the Premier League or even to another big European club. As it would increases his chances to play for Selecao.

They prefer to sell to small clubs that can afford a higher fee than selling them to traditional clubs that wouldn’t pay the same amount of money. That’s the case for Teixeira, and it has also happened with me.

I know myself how difficult it is to negotiate with Shakhtar Donetsk. I suffered for two years there willing to leave the club
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And they say 'players have all the power' and 'contracts are meaningless'. Apparently not.
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Re: January 2016 transfer window
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2016, 10:07:26 AM »
And they say 'players have all the power' and 'contracts are meaningless'. Apparently not.

yes.

this particular club seems to drive a very hard bargain.

if I was a young player, I would think long and hard about ever agreeing to sign for them.  It's easy to join them, it's the leaving that is very hard.

money, money, money, it's a rich man's world.
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