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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
« Reply #180 on: August 31, 2016, 04:10:43 PM »
Arbeloa's going to West Ham on a one year deal. I though he'd moved to Milan, but I guess Milan couldn't even afford a free transfer.

He'd have been perfect cover for right back, first choice for left back, and a mentor for his compatriot Moreno.
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« Reply #181 on: August 31, 2016, 04:13:21 PM »
Ilori not going to Granada because we're asking too high a transfer fee. I wonder if Tyne Tees or Yorkshire Television can afford him.  ;D
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« Reply #182 on: August 31, 2016, 04:24:28 PM »
I think Klopp has washed his hands with Sakho. 

But merely wanted to lend him out for now, til a transfer away in January or the summer.

Our boss wants a tight team unit - and people like Sakho don't measure up.

I also suspect Sturridge is in his last season at Anfield.

He knows what Sakho's approach and behaviour has been like recently, even though the Twitteratti would disagree. It's hard to really understand whether he's done with Sakho for good or whether he thinks he needs time away to prove himself up to being a member of Klopp's squad.

If Klopp has decided Sakho needs a break from the club, then Sakho staying to try and prove himself will probably cut no ice. If that was an optional route back into the manager's plans then surely Klopp would have made that clear. I think Sakho risks alienating himself permanently if he stays.
If he really wants to stay then he'd be better served doing what Klopp asks of him. Ignoring those wishes or instructions is just proving Klopp right in his assessment of Sakho's whole attitude.

It definitely could get messy.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
« Reply #183 on: August 31, 2016, 04:59:52 PM »
yes, Martins Indi is a good idea.

Mark Hughes thinks so:

Confirmed: Stoke beat Liverpool and Everton international defender

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705846/Stoke-sign-Bruno-Martins-Indi-Porto-Premier-League-transfer-news

Loan with option to buy. Best of both worlds.

Strap on your wings and get out your pray mat. We look exposed defensively. Hopefully that look will prove to be very deceiving.
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« Reply #184 on: August 31, 2016, 08:28:24 PM »
I think Sakho risks alienating himself permanently if he stays.
If he really wants to stay then he'd be better served doing what Klopp asks of him.

Ignoring those wishes or instructions is just proving Klopp right in his assessment of Sakho's whole attitude.

whether it be a youngster getting loaned out, or in this very rare instance an ill-disciplined player, being set out on loan - how many ever return and play as a first team regular.

when you get loaned out - from my experiences of following Liverpool - it is never good (despite the positive spin put on it).

Sakho is finished at Liverpool. 
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« Reply #185 on: August 31, 2016, 08:29:40 PM »
Mark Hughes thinks so:

Confirmed: Stoke beat Liverpool and Everton international defender

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705846/Stoke-sign-Bruno-Martins-Indi-Porto-Premier-League-transfer-news

Loan with option to buy. Best of both worlds.

Strap on your wings and get out your pray mat. We look exposed defensively. Hopefully that look will prove to be very deceiving.

Klopp obviously thinks we have enough for now.

And IMHO he clearly has someone earmarked - and is keeping his pepper dry - and prepared to wait for them to become available.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
« Reply #186 on: August 31, 2016, 08:32:33 PM »
Ilori not going to Granada because we're asking too high a transfer fee. I wonder if Tyne Tees or Yorkshire Television can afford him.  ;D

 ;D

Anglia will be keen too

Tes, we are showing our age here.

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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
« Reply #187 on: August 31, 2016, 09:44:26 PM »
whether it be a youngster getting loaned out, or in this very rare instance an ill-disciplined player, being set out on loan - how many ever return and play as a first team regular.

when you get loaned out - from my experiences of following Liverpool - it is never good (despite the positive spin put on it).

Sakho is finished at Liverpool.

Exactly. A player going out on loan is the player's equivalent of a manager getting a vote of confidence from his chairman.
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« Reply #188 on: August 31, 2016, 09:57:41 PM »
And IMHO he clearly has someone earmarked - and is keeping his pepper dry - and prepared to wait for them to become available.

Hopefully. Either that, or he hasn't found exactly what he's looking for (apart from those who are obviously beyond our reach). I'd rather not see money spent if the manager's not 100% about a player, because ultimately he'll still be looking for exactly what he wants and all we've really done is recruit more future deadwood.

I'm not comfortable with how threadbare we are on the defensive side, but I'd rather Klopp be fitting the square pegs we already have than buying square pegs.

Interestingly he's not let Connor Randall go on loan to Preston, so there is cover of sorts for Clyne. As he's let Wisdom go on loan to Salzburg, and Flanno for obvious reasons, I guess he must rate Randall above Wisdom.
At least Flanno's on loan in the PL, not the second tier and Wisdom is playing for the defending Austrian Bundesliga champions.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
« Reply #189 on: August 31, 2016, 10:14:15 PM »
Balotelli's gone. The club have done what I'd hoped they'd do and let him go with no fee, but without having to pay up the last year of his contract. We've not had to pay him anything, or contribute towards his wages at Nice, and it's not a loan but a permanent transfer.

Hopefully the lessons have been learned on this one.
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« Reply #190 on: August 31, 2016, 10:16:50 PM »
;D

Anglia will be keen too

Tes, we are showing our age here.

Wow, I loved those old ITV regions - it was great to see a show from another region.

Grampian was another, LWT London Weekend Television, Thames and there was ATV that became Central.
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« Reply #191 on: August 31, 2016, 10:40:33 PM »
Lazar Markovic joins Sporting Lisbon on loan from Liverpool

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2941645/lazar-markovic-joins-sporting-lisbon-on-loan-from-liverpool

"The Serbian will spend the 2016-17 season as part of Jorge Jesus' side -- the manager Markovic played under at Benfica prior to his move to Liverpool."

Hopefully this gets him back on track and he'll be a worthwhile addition to the squad next Summer or we can sell him for a respectable fee.
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« Reply #192 on: August 31, 2016, 11:25:29 PM »
Grampian was another, LWT London Weekend Television, Thames and there was ATV that became Central.

memories of the LWT intro logo (divided photo of the Thames merging) thingie to shows

immediate memories of tho opening music to This is Your Life....Eamon Andrews with the famous red book.
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Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
« Reply #193 on: September 01, 2016, 07:13:10 PM »
Hey-ho!! Been on holiday for 2 weeks in sunny spain and got back today.

Happy with the out goings and a streamlined squad but no LB and DM will hit us hard.

Said it once and I'll say it again I think we'll struggle to finish top 6.

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« Reply #194 on: September 02, 2016, 11:33:50 AM »
Hey-ho!! Been on holiday for 2 weeks in sunny spain and got back today.

Happy with the out goings and a streamlined squad but no LB and DM will hit us hard.

Said it once and I'll say it again I think we'll struggle to finish top 6.

The outgoings have been the major achievement.

Markovic could either rediscover himself and come back and be useful to Klopp, or if Klopp feels he's not required then he's more likely to perform in the country and league he first made his name, and hence allow us to find a buyer and at a potentially higher fee.

I don't think Wisdom will make it here, but he's now more high profile playing on the European mainland, and having shown an appetite for playing abroad, again, he may well be easier to sell next Summer.

Balotelli and Benteke were the big ones to shift, and that incredibly has been achieved.

Hopefully we've seen the last of the Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Beneteke and Balotelli type transfers.

I'll reserve judgement on Wijnaldum until the end of the season, when hopefully Klopp will have had the starting 11, formations etc sorted and whoever plays what position within the midfield area will have adapted to their roles and players like Wijnaldum will be played in roles that cater to their strengths and is therefore given the best 'opportunity' to perform to the maximum.

Obviously I totally agree Edward re left back and defensive midfield. We were crying out for these two positions to be sorted out well before the end of last season, and the start of this season has proved to be more of the same in that regard.

A first choice, capable, specialist left back was a must, and there was even a case for a second one with selling Smith.
Whatever Klopp's criteria for a left back is, it still remains the fact they are an integral part of the defensive unit, and be it positioning, decision making, marking/tracking and the actual physical basics of making a tackle, Moreno fails, both on each aspect individually and collectively.

I can't see him being used on the left of a midfield three in a 4-3-3, unless played in front of a 'stay at home' left back. Possibly the only place he could fill is in a midfield four in a flat 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1, or a 4-4-2 with a more diamond shaped midfield.

As for a specialist defensive midfielder, there may be times when a two from Lucas, Can and Hendo could and should be sufficient, but there are more times, both for the entire game, or maybe when holding on to a hard earned lead, when a defensive midfielder is critical, with Lucas or Can alongside, as a very defensively strong midfield base and shield in front of the back four is critical.

Lucas really now lacks the mobility required and Stewart is most definitely still learning his trade as a footballer, nevermind the specifics of a defensive midfielder, so neither are really suited to be that absolute first choice specialist. Can may have the physical requirements, but lacks the discipline and constant concentration, and I think he sees himself and feels he is more suited to a freer, more attacking minded role than the uber discipline of a defensive sitter.

With attacking fullbacks, and has Klopp has alluded to, he sees the full back as a width provider and very much having a real contribution to make to the attacking side, it's imperative we have a sort of 'sweeper' in front of the defence that is capable of covering across to the flank for the full back, if needs be, and if prudent to leave a more central position. It's far harder to make a case for not having a dedicated defensive sitter sweeping, than it is to make the case for.
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