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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2016, 10:10:58 PM »
Klopp's been singing the praises of the academy and the players it's produced recently. Hopefully, now we have a manager who genuinely believes in giving young players a real chance, and wants us to produce our own rather than waving the cheque book like a magic wand, we may be a better choice for local youngsters than we've been in many, many seasons.
Everton have certainly had it over us when attracting young, local players to their academy and younger teams over the last decade or so. Hopefully, that can now be reversed. 
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2016, 12:35:59 PM »
yes.  But I always take heart from the fact that it is not just us.  Very few, if any top clubs, now have many top young players through their academies.

when you have money, and need top talent immediately, you tend to always reach for the cheque book.

maybe with BREXIT - maybe a knock-on effect will be, english clubs having to produce more homegrown talent.



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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2016, 02:54:12 PM »
I wish I could share your optimism but I can't. Klopp could be Shanks and Paisley combined but he still won't do anything with this squad against our competitors.

We'll finish 7th or 8th - I said to Martin prior to the Europa league final that our weak mentality would cost us and our lack of battle hardened players would cost us and I was right. I've seen nothing that seems to have changed that. We lack a real leader - and I don't mean leader as in captain but a leader like Ibrahimovic will be for utd. Someone that can drag the team over the line by maintaining a standard for the rest of the players to set.

We have no outstanding defender (although Clyne can be that) and we have no DM apart from Lucas who has lost his physicality. So we'll see.

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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2016, 03:49:23 PM »
how do I add you on facebook, Edward?  And Martin too?

scared in case this website goes down, and we all lose touch.

Tes, how do we stay in touch?

PS - I am very optimistic.  I think we have a potentially fantastic midfield....maybe best in the league....and awesome firepower at the front.
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2016, 06:05:56 PM »
I have pm'd you the details.

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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2016, 04:39:26 PM »
Quelle surprise. Moreno is a waste of space.

Wijnaldum is a loser. Average player and when the tough gets going he goes home.

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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2016, 06:51:44 PM »
Moreno is a waste of space.

Aaaarrrggghh, you mentioned the 'M' word.  ;D

I can only draw one of two conclusions - either he's Klopp's 'blind spot', and most manager's have one, or whoever Klopp wanted, or the type of left back he wanted, simply isn't available this window, and he won't compromise.

One way or the other, we're going to need something, otherwise our season will be underwhelming as we can't carry a vital cog in the defensive machine.

Our record against Arsenal away is truly woeful, so I'll gleefully accept an away win, and four goals is a great start.

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2016, 08:03:08 PM »
Wijnaldum is a loser. Average player and when the tough gets going he goes home.

The Geordies were saying he may as well have stayed on the coach at away games.

The option of replacing him during away games if we need to tighten up, or omit him entirely and replace him with some defensive steel and intensity, should be something we're trying to do in the next two weeks.

We can't simply rely on defending by pressing and keeping possession.

We really need to add a defensive midfielder and left back in order to give ourselves the best chance of making the season as good as it can be.

There are games we should be able to do without a defensive specialist in midfield, but in others he should be one of the first three names on the team sheet.
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2016, 11:13:42 AM »
Arsenal 3   Liverpool 4

what a fantastic victory yesterday at the Emirates.

A midfield that can, scarily, only get better, as players begin to gel and get a better understanding of each other.

We are (as I predicted) Keeganeque right now, til we find a better balance.

Only downside is obviously Moreno.  We need a left back.

And I would be happy to see our new keeper fit and between the sticks.

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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2016, 09:03:55 PM »
Only downside is obviously Moreno.  We need a left back.

3 left backs that could easily replace Moreno - Dude, Edward, Tes.  ;D
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2016, 10:33:02 PM »
3 left backs that could easily replace Moreno - Dude, Edward, Tes.  ;D

 ;D

presently in Belfast.  And was watching the game with my best friend.

said the same to him - him or I could do what Moreno is doing.  We used to play amateur football.

we'd be as good as Moreno (i.e. shittte at that level).
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2016, 03:32:31 PM »
;D

presently in Belfast.  And was watching the game with my best friend.

said the same to him - him or I could do what Moreno is doing.  We used to play amateur football.

we'd be as good as Moreno (i.e. shittte at that level).

Dude, we'd be better. Moreno has no idea when to commit to a tackle, or when to jockey and shadow and be patient for that moment when the ball is clear and can be taken.
He goes in high over the ball, and having made one mistake, seems unable to realise it, and see it as a mistake, and then repeats it.
His timing of his movement forward is all out of sync with what is actually happening around him, and his will to get back quickly is just pathetic.

He just doesn't seem to even understand any of the absolute basics of defending.

I don't like calling anyone this, but sometimes no other description fits, but basically I think he's a bit thick.

Klopp needs to be careful that Moreno and the left back position doesn't prove to be the rope that hangs this season.
I don't understand the attitude of not paying a certain sum of money for a goal keeper or defender that you might for a midfielder or attacker.

Keeping a lead is as important as gaining one. Holding on for a point when you're being battered is also crucial. The act of doing so may not be as glamourous, but the importance adds up to just the same over an entire season

We nearly grabbed a draw from the jaws of a comfortable win on Sunday. Teams will still fancy their chances when they go a goal or two down, and there's such a psychological difference when you have a capable, tight defence. 

Sometimes you just have to pay a premium for a difficult to fill position.

I'm not putting Wynaldum down, but the contrast between the ease with which we paid £25M for him, and not wanting to pay even into double figures for a left back, is stark.
Wynaldum doesn't offer a certain outstanding quality, nor does he have a positional specialty, but when we're crying out for just one actual left back at the club, it makes no sense to 'make do' as we appear to be.


 
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2016, 06:50:33 PM »
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2016, 07:27:38 PM »
Video of Klopp talking about Moreno:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-what-klopp-said-11768837

"He was involved in a penalty situation, right........that's something, of course, that always we spoke about how can we defending together differently, because the situation was clear two times before the penalty situation, in my opinion we could have avoid this situation in five, four, six times before, and then it came to the situation where Alberto could have done better, that's right, but that's all......."

That's the entire point. Sometimes it's a team situation, and in others it requires an individual to do their job properly. He correctly gets across, having identified the need to, but then to just recklessly launch himself at Walcott was madness. Walcott was going away from the goal, Moreno is goal side, so there's no need to actually try and win the ball at that moment, as there was no way Walcott could start to turn back inwards towards our goal without two more touches, as his touch was pushing him completely away from the goal and towards the corner flag. Moreno's decision making is so poor for a professional at that level.

The ball was actually still in a dangerous position, albeit, on the opposite side of the penalty area because Moreno had carelessly lashed his clearance diagonally across the area when he had the time and distance to play it back to Mignolet, or turn outwards onto to his left foot and then either play it out, or move forward with it. 
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Re: Season 2016/17
« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2016, 04:47:44 PM »
The Benteke money needs re-investing in a left back and defensive midfielder. Another right back wouldn't hurt either, but the first two are absolute essentials.

5 goals in 1.5 games is a huge neon sign for where work still needs to be done before 1st September.

No 'can play theres', just 'does play theres'.
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