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Season 2017/18
« on: May 24, 2017, 04:49:20 PM »
Looks like we'll start the season with a new physio:

Liverpool to appoint new physio Christopher Rohrbeck from Mainz

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/english-premier-league/story/3133108/liverpool-to-appoint-new-physio-christopher-rohrbeck-from-mainz

It doesn't say whether he'll be our head physio, like he was at Mainz, but if he can help keep more of our players fitter than this season, then he'll be a welcome addition, whatever his job tital.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2017, 10:07:59 PM »
If Huddersfield beat Reading tomorrow and gain promotion to the PL, we can probably expect David Wagner to try and get Danny Ward on loan again. I think it would be a smart move by us to allow it.
Despite doing well in the Championship with Huddersfield, would any of us really be comfortable yet with him as no1, or being called upon to cover for a long term injury.

However, a season as first choice in the PL, where you'd imagine he'd have plenty to do, could see him really flourish, and just like players such as Jordan Pickford, or the likes of Michael Keane at Burnley or Ben Gibson at Boro, all now have (big)ger clubs after them, Danny Ward could push himself into the same bracket, but he'd already be ours.

I know it may seem like another season with Mignolet and Karius, but maybe Mignolet will continue to improve, or maybe with a season under his belt in the PL, Karius will finally come good and show why Klopp chose to sign him over more established keepers from the Bundesliga, or elsewhere.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2017, 07:47:20 PM »
Our new away kit?






They get the away kit as wrong as they get the home kit right.

Why can't we stick with yellow with red trim, white with red trim or the all black.

At least it's not as hideous as:




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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 07:49:05 PM »
It looks like the junior teams will have a different kit from the senior side this season:



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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2017, 10:39:54 PM »
Even if we sign Van Dijk or someone of his level, surely we have to adapt our style of play otherwise Van Dijk could end up looking no better than what we have already, as the defence would still get swamped with the lack of protection it gets.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2017, 11:26:34 PM »
Liverpool defender Joe Gomez insists he wants to fight for his place rather than go out on loan

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-defender-joe-gomez-insists-10848939


Great attitude. I'd love to see him have a proper breakthrough season, especially if we don't get Van Dijk, and see him establish himself alongside Matip.

We've got to keep Sakho (though somehow I don't see that happening) if we don't get Van Dijk, as Matip, Lovren, Sakho, Gomez and Klavan, looks stronger than Matip, Lovren, Klavan and Lucas, though obviously still not as strong as we'd like it.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 02:06:46 PM »
And we're off to a flyer.

Things on the 'to do' list this Summer were 1) sign a proper, quality left back to replace our midfielder who plays left back ahead of the clown that is supposed to be a left back 2) sign an upgrade on Lovren as he's the cause of too many goals with his lack of concentration 3) make sure we're never in a position to have Lovren and Moreno in the same team at the same time.

So we signed a left back, not sure yet of his quality, then leave him out for the first match. Leave Milner on the bench. Play the disaster that is Moreno on the back of one reasonable performance, in the entire time Klopp has been here, and that was in a preseason friendly.

Don't bother looking beyond one centre half target, even when we've made an early and complete dog's breakfast of signing that one target, and instead play the guy who needs upgrading in the same defence as the clown who shouldn't even be at a club with any serious intentions of being successful.

Defence = blind spot for the last two Liverpool managers.

Klopp has no excuses now. Third season at the club. No longer new to either the club or the league. No excuse for not having either the players or the method(s) to be able to defend.

It already had the makings of a long season based on the lack of squad strengthening for the possibility of CL football, now Coutinho bails, and the blindingly obvious problem we have had throughout the last two manager's time, is still every bit as bad, and is laid embarrassingly bare again.

All we need is for Hoffenheim to put is out of our CL misery and we're all set to focus on the challenge for a UEFA Cup spot for next season.

Ah well, there's always next season.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2017, 02:16:33 PM »
Liverpool need more than Virgil van Dijk to fix their defensive flaws, insists former Reds defender Jamie Carragher

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4784570/Liverpool-need-Virgil-van-Dijk-fiix-defence.html

Can't argue with any of that.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 02:20:41 PM »
We can't rely on outscoring the opposition, when teams are more adept at keeping us out than we are at keeping them out.

We can't rely on a smash and grab of this type every time to win games. We will end up on the end of the opposition's mugging more times than this sort of performance and methods will see us get the 3 points.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 02:56:23 PM »
Klopp has no excuses now. Third season at the club. No longer new to either the club or the league. No excuse for not having either the players or the method(s) to be able to defend.

It already had the makings of a long season based on the lack of squad strengthening for the possibility of CL football, now Coutinho bails, and the blindingly obvious problem we have had throughout the last two manager's time, is still every bit as bad, and is laid embarrassingly bare again.

All we need is for Hoffenheim to put is out of our CL misery and we're all set to focus on the challenge for a UEFA Cup spot for next season.

Ah well, there's always next season.

90+1 Trent Alexander-Arnold, who has had a good game, is replaced by Joe Gomez.

I was cussing at the screen, when I saw him make a defensive change in the 91st minute.

Asking for trouble.

And he got it.   

And anyway - despite what others think, I have never rated Gomez.   He would never be in a team of mine.

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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 03:01:49 PM »
We can't rely on outscoring the opposition, when teams are more adept at keeping us out than we are at keeping them out.

like I said many times last year - I fear that Klopp is no more than a German Keegan.

He has no interest in defence - or balance.

It's all about offence.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 04:30:29 PM »
90+1 Trent Alexander-Arnold, who has had a good game, is replaced by Joe Gomez.

I was cussing at the screen, when I saw him make a defensive change in the 91st minute.

Asking for trouble.

And he got it.   


Exactly. You don't waste time as substitutions get time added on, and even if they didn't, you don't want a player 'new' to the match, with not enough time to 'acclimatise', to be on the pitch. It's an unnecessary risk, like making a substitution during the break in play as a corner is awarded.

We score 3 goals away from home and yet we don't win. We weren't playing at the Bernabeu. We weren't playing against a team that is likely to walk the league or sweep all before them domestically this season, and they've a manager who's new to the club, with half a season's experience of the PL with an ultimately relegated team.

Is there even enough of Van Dijk to paper over all of the obvious cracks?
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 07:08:28 PM »
Carra on why we can't defend:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/636907/liverpool-watford-carragher-redknapp-argue-defence-virgil-van-dijk-video-sky-sports

Haven't we been saying the same thing on here for ages? Thought so.  >:(

Klopp says we have to better etc, etc, but think back to Chelsea at Anfield (the game in which Gerrard slipped). That team looked well drilled. They all knew individually what to do and how their role fitted into the overall team pattern.

Can you say the same about us? Under Rodgers? And now under Klopp? Of course not.

Frustrating is not the word.
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Re: Season 2017/18
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 09:42:39 AM »
Was at Vicarage Rd on Saturday to watch the game.  Here's an analysis from the away end...... 

1st Half:  Abysmal.  Midfield...er what midfield.

2nd Half: Much better, moving and passing sharper/quicker.  Defending and sensing danger....no change there then!

We looked good in preseason.  The team that played on Saturday looked like a team that was disjointed and dysfunctional.  Henderson with his crablike passes not really using his ability to make penetrating passes.  Wijnaldum looked lost and Can......well not really sure what he was doing.  That insane back heel to Moreno when he could have simply cleared the ball forward led to Watford's throw-in and subsequently another goal for the men in Yellow.  Everytime they had a set-piece we knew it would cause us danger/lead to another goal.  Watford on the other hand were exploiting our fragility very well.  Their number 33 (striker) who was essentially an american fridge freezer on legs just bullied our central defenders, it was embarrassing!  Lovren spent most of his time on his back-side.  Apart from 1 clear chance they created in the first half they were doing nothing from open play.  We caused our downfall, gifted all three goals to them!

I've been a huge admirer of Her Klopp, but I hate to say it but I feel this is yet another false dawn in our history.  There's just no balance to our squad, no spine, appreciate this is the first game of the season but this team apart from Salah is exactly the same as lasts.  Not really sure where we go from here as we will most definitely be leaking in 40+ goals again this year.  With Champions league coming up (if we qualify) this squad with its history of injury's will suffer greatly.  Expect us to be out of top 4 come end of season  :(


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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 12:06:23 PM »
Was at Vicarage Rd on Saturday to watch the game.  Here's an analysis from the away end...... 

1st Half:  Abysmal.  Midfield...er what midfield.

2nd Half: Much better, moving and passing sharper/quicker.  Defending and sensing danger....no change there then!

We looked good in preseason.  The team that played on Saturday looked like a team that was disjointed and dysfunctional.  Henderson with his crablike passes not really using his ability to make penetrating passes.  Wijnaldum looked lost and Can......well not really sure what he was doing.  That insane back heel to Moreno when he could have simply cleared the ball forward led to Watford's throw-in and subsequently another goal for the men in Yellow.  Everytime they had a set-piece we knew it would cause us danger/lead to another goal.  Watford on the other hand were exploiting our fragility very well.  Their number 33 (striker) who was essentially an american fridge freezer on legs just bullied our central defenders, it was embarrassing!  Lovren spent most of his time on his back-side.  Apart from 1 clear chance they created in the first half they were doing nothing from open play.  We caused our downfall, gifted all three goals to them!

I've been a huge admirer of Her Klopp, but I hate to say it but I feel this is yet another false dawn in our history.  There's just no balance to our squad, no spine, appreciate this is the first game of the season but this team apart from Salah is exactly the same as lasts.  Not really sure where we go from here as we will most definitely be leaking in 40+ goals again this year.  With Champions league coming up (if we qualify) this squad with its history of injury's will suffer greatly.  Expect us to be out of top 4 come end of season  :(

Brilliant post, Gurdeep. Welcome back, my friend.

It's so hard to throw the feeling that Klopp has a similar blindspot to Rodgers where the defensive side of the game is concerned.

I know Edward doesn't agree, but I think there's a lot to be said for a defensive coach. Work on set pieces, general defensive organisation etc, are specialist areas of the overall picture.
Zonal marking has to be spot on, and doesn't seem to work in the PL. Teams put a lot of effort into set pieces, more so than on the continent probably.

The first corner was superb in itself, but even that can be countered by setting up correctly. We simply don't make it hard enough for the opposition.
Yes, of course, like Klopp said, teams score from set pieces, but when you make it so easy for them then the probability massively increases. Likewise, how many do we score from set pieces?
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