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Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« Reply #705 on: December 13, 2010, 11:24:37 PM »
I think the players need to up their game also. Some a lot more than others, but the vast majority have at least some improving to do.
There were times last season when Rafa wasn't entirely to blame and likewise this season we can't blame Roy 100% and I haven't shifted my opinion 1% from the Summer when he was first linked. I just think the players need to do more. Most of the squad are better, much better in some cases, than what they've demonstrated themselves to be so far this season.
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« Reply #706 on: December 13, 2010, 11:43:18 PM »
I think the players need to up their game also. Some a lot more than others, but the vast majority have at least some improving to do.
There were times last season when Rafa wasn't entirely to blame and likewise this season we can't blame Roy 100% and I haven't shifted my opinion 1% from the Summer when he was first linked. I just think the players need to do more. Most of the squad are better, much better in some cases, than what they've demonstrated themselves to be so far this season.

Agreed Tes certain players need to up their game but likewise other players need to be treated better than they have been too. It must be deflating for the likes of Babel, Kelly, Pacheco etc etc to see some of the horrendous performances we have seen this season yet these players still dont get their chance. Maybe its time to bench Nando. Whats the point in having a squad if you are continually going to play a player irrespective of how they play. Dont get me wrong I am a huge fan of Torres but it might be a kick up the behind if he were left out for a game or more depending on whether the likes of Babel were to take his chance. Torres is only an example, there are many other players I could have highlighted instead. Why we havent tried the Kelly Johnson partnership down the right is beyond me. Surely the fact that we are so inconsistent should make it easier for Roy to take a chance.

Instead I think the opposite has happened. Roy has found the team he feels is most effective and will only change his starting lineup when change is forced upon him like Gerrards injury or Nando attending the birth of his son. He has no trust in some of the other players at his disposal and thats harsh seeing as alot of them havent been given a chance.

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« Reply #707 on: December 14, 2010, 09:52:32 AM »
I agree a lot with that, Tes. It's beyond me how little Lucas, for instance, have developed despite having been a regular for a season and a half. When people say he's having a great game, they would say Xabi had a poor game. The same goes for Ngog, tho he had his best game in a red shirt against Newcy. To think how Babel would've developed if he'd been handed the same confidence as those two.

Torres, I fear was a one off. Maybe he performed above his level his first season with us and what we see now is his true self. He wasn' banging in goals for AM before arriving here, mind.

Kuijt's on a low. Totally lost his touch and looks confused. That, however, is a matter for Roy to sort out.

Meireles, is getting better. Stil learning the PL trade.

Maxi, true he's had his moment but goes amiss for long periods of the games. I think Jovanovic is being very badly treated by Roy having to watch a fairly ineffective Maxi play week in, week out. Yes, Jovanovic featured against Northampton, but he also came on against Sunderland and all of a sudden had the team playing good attacking footy. Was the only player against Steua resembling quality.

Carra and Skrtl are both liabilities full stop Kyrgiakos is one of few players who's taken a step forward when asked to this season.

All in all, I reckon Tes' assessment many players need to up their game is spot on.
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Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« Reply #708 on: December 14, 2010, 12:18:47 PM »
they've all gone bad since woy's arrival.

spot the common denominator.
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« Reply #709 on: December 14, 2010, 01:39:49 PM »
I have a confession and one that i must make perfectly clear...

I know i have been critical of Roy and i think he's not the man for the job, but i tell you one thing, i would never go so far as to listen to the nonsense of the quotes below...

"I'm not suited to Bolton or Blackburn. I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid. It wouldn't be a problem for me to go and manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time.

"Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same. It wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not where I'm suited to - it's just where I've been for most of the time. It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

Roy any time over Fat Sham...

p.s. What's taggart going to do with 6 less points each year??

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« Reply #710 on: December 14, 2010, 02:38:14 PM »
"I'm not suited to Bolton or Blackburn.

The new owners agree with you, Sham.  :D
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« Reply #711 on: December 14, 2010, 09:53:32 PM »
Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson has faith in his ability

Roy Hodgson does not believe any other manager could get more out of the Liverpool team given current resources.

Liverpool's manager, who had "great confidence" in his ability, said "Whoever takes my place will be in a similar job with similar players."

That would remain so "unless there is a major inflow of cash into the club and the team is going to be changed from one moment to the next".

The Reds lie ninth in the Premier League nine points off a top-four spot.

Since Hodgson took over at Anfield on 1 July, following Rafael Benitez's departure in June, Liverpool have had a change of ownership with New England Sports Ventures [NESV] taking over from Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

NESV's John W Henry, speaking during a phone-in on the club's in-house television channel on Monday, said the team's form towards the end of last season and so far this campaign has been "unacceptable", although Hodgson says he has the support of the club's hierarchy.

"The owners have made it perfectly clear they are in it for the long term and they are going to be patient," said the 63-year-old Hodgson. "They realise it is going to take time.

"They realise we can't turn things around overnight and they also realise that the team I am working with is not the team I put together.

"You don't turn things around overnight and they are aware of the magnitude of the task but they are very focused on what needs to be done and I am convinced they will help me get it done."

An area of particular concern for Hodgson is his side's poor Premier League away form, with a record so far of six defeats - the latest a 3-1 loss at Newcastle on Saturday - two draws and one win.

However, Hodgson showed signs of frustration over constant questions about his future ahead of the Europa League group game against FC Utrecht at Anfield on Wednesday.

The Reds have secured top spot in Group K and qualified for the last 32 in the competition with a game to spare.

"It doesn't bother me because I can't do more than I am doing, I can't work harder, I can't work better," added Hodgson, whose team play his former club Fulham at home in the league on Saturday evening.

"I have great confidence in my ability, I don't think there is any reason not to have.

"I know the players are working as hard as they can to win matches for Liverpool and therefore me as manager."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9287672.stm

Whether his confidence is misplaced or not, it's better to have a manager who has self belief than one who has self doubts.

"They realise we can't turn things around overnight and they also realise that the team I am working with is not the team I put together."
The problem is with that statement is if you look at Roy's transfer dealings it's hard not to have doubts that a team he built would fair any better than the team he is putting out with the majority of someone else's players.
Konchesky and Poulsen are a damning indictment against him, Cole, the jury has to remain out on him a while longer. Meireles,  if he was totally Roy's signing,  will prove to be a successful one, I think.  Hangeland, at Fulham, was a good signing. Even if we include him it's still not an impressive strike rate compared to some of the teams of similar status like Wigan. I really can't think of another top signing Roy made at Fulham, maybe apart from Dempsey (50/50).

He needs to talk less about himself (he spends too much time trying to justify himself), especially as the press are giving him an easy ride still and try instilling some belief and giving the players encouragement of some sort publicly instead.
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Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« Reply #712 on: December 14, 2010, 11:33:05 PM »
I have a confession and one that i must make perfectly clear...

I know i have been critical of Roy and i think he's not the man for the job, but i tell you one thing, i would never go so far as to listen to the nonsense of the quotes below...

"I'm not suited to Bolton or Blackburn. I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid. It wouldn't be a problem for me to go and manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time.

"Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same. It wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not where I'm suited to - it's just where I've been for most of the time. It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

agreed, barticus.

Sham has never hidden his massive ego under a bushel.

Having said that, Blackburn's Indian owners (the vendy group) are morons.  Blackburn are a mid-table team.....maybe top 6 or 8, in an exceptionally rare over-performing good season. 

Sacking Sam mid-season could easily tip a team like that into a totally unnecessary relegation battle.

Still, it frees Sam up for the england job.  And I betcha Mourinho is now nervous and keeping a watchful eye over his shoulder  ;)



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Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« Reply #713 on: December 14, 2010, 11:36:50 PM »
He needs to talk less about himself (he spends too much time trying to justify himself)

agreed, Tes.

Roy blabbers on endlessly.  He talks himself into corners......needlessly.

I suspect he alienated himself last week with his entirely unnecessary criticism of our ex Managing Director Christian Purslow.

I cannot imagine how many people Roy has alienated himself with, in these first few months at anfield.  The man needs to shut his friggen gub.

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« Reply #714 on: December 15, 2010, 12:48:00 AM »
Still, it frees Sam up for the england job.  And I betcha Mourinho is now nervous and keeping a watchful eye over his shoulder  ;)

Surely Roy has unfinished business with Blackburn. I'm sure if he asked nicely he would be excused and allowed to jump ship.
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« Reply #715 on: December 15, 2010, 12:50:56 AM »
Surely Roy has unfinished business with Blackburn. I'm sure if he asked nicely he would be excused and allowed to jump ship.

 :D

roy v sham for the england job.

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« Reply #716 on: December 15, 2010, 07:35:09 PM »
:D

roy v sham for the england job.

In this matter Roy has my 100% support.
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« Reply #717 on: December 16, 2010, 08:01:13 PM »
In this matter Roy has my 100% support.

 :D

the Kop might care to run with that notion.

"Woy for Wingland"

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« Reply #718 on: December 17, 2010, 01:01:29 PM »
I used to think Cascarino was just anti Benitez but in fairness to him he is at least being consistent and unlike other former footballers or journalists he hasnt attempted to portray Roys reign as something that its not. Hes bang on the money.

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/48242/Cascarino_Hodgson_has_turned_Liverpool_into_a_bigger-budget_Fulham_.aspx

Tony Cascarino has lambasted Roy Hodgson’s managerial reign at Anfield, suggesting the under-fire Liverpool boss is failing the club’s rich footballing traditions.

The former Republic of Ireland international claims the results under the ex-Fulham manager have not been good enough, but even more alarmingly for the club’s fans, are the manner in which these poor results have been achieved.

Citing the drab 0-0 draw against Utrecht on Wednesday night, the much maligned football pundit believes Hodgson’s tactics are far too similar to those he implemented at Craven Cottage, and criticises him for turning the footballing institution that is Liverpool into a “bigger-budget Fulham”.
 
Cascarino told the Times: “Any Liverpool manager has a duty to play with a certain style: fluent, attractive, attacking, passing football.

“Roy Hodgson is not only failing with the results, he's failing in his duty to the club's traditions and to the fans, and that's a pretty serious combination. If you haven't got style, you at least need results.

“The goalless draw against Utrecht in the Europa League on Wednesday confirmed that Hodgson's cautious tactics and conservative attitude have permeated the whole squad: because he picked a second-string team and the football was as unambitious and unexciting as it is when the first XI take to the field.

He continued: “Nine away games, one win and six losses is dreadful. That's relegation form, and even if you could argue that Liverpool no longer have a squad good enough for the top four, they ought to be challenging for the top six.

“It's not a new problem for Hodgson. With Fulham his record was: 2008-09, three away league wins; 2009-10, one away league win. It has to be the manager's tactics.

“Hodgson has quickly turned Liverpool into a bigger-budget Fulham: they go out, away from home, not to lose. They should be going out to win.

“Imagine Manchester United or Arsenal playing such dull football, given their reputation and past success.

“It wouldn't be tolerated. Nor should it be at Anfield even if the club isn't the force it once was.

“That's no excuse for failing to entertain and failing to act like the big team Liverpool still are.

He added: “Hodgson remains inflexible, conservative, old-fashioned.”

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Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« Reply #719 on: December 17, 2010, 11:36:52 PM »
Tony usually has an interesting take on things.  I often agree with him.

I do not entirely agree with him on this issue tho.

Roy's team does try and play positive, attractive football......albeit with a fair bit of hoofing at times.

The problem is tactics.....Roy is kindergarten level, in comparison to the top bosses.  His deficiencies are most obvious when he is away from home, and/or goes behind (and has to make changes).
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