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« Reply #195 on: October 21, 2010, 03:03:10 PM »
 :D

Di Matteo and his right hand man, Dennis Wise - let's revive the bootroom.

And Tommy Cooper as new managing director.



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« Reply #196 on: October 21, 2010, 03:03:53 PM »
:D

Di Matteo and his right hand man, Dennis Wise - let's revive the bootroom.

And Tommy Cooper as new managing director.

Your not too far behind Tes there Dude  :P
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« Reply #197 on: October 21, 2010, 03:10:56 PM »
Your not too far behind Tes there Dude  :P

 :D   

we are on the same hymnsheet, gurdeep.

reminds me - I must reassemble my movie thread (Liverpool, the movie - Yanks, Banks & Tanks at Anfield).  The pc crashed before I could post it.
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« Reply #198 on: October 21, 2010, 09:51:07 PM »
Just saw Roys after game interview. As always Roy was dignified. I didnt hear any Torres style slip ups. Anyway to my point whether you want him to stay or not what he did make perfectly clear is that he has no intention of ever walking away. Obviously circumstances can change but at the moment if a change of manager does happen it looks as though John W Henry will have to do some firing first.

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« Reply #199 on: October 21, 2010, 10:10:39 PM »
Just saw Roys after game interview. As always Roy was dignified. I didnt hear any Torres style slip ups. Anyway to my point whether you want him to stay or not what he did make perfectly clear is that he has no intention of ever walking away. Obviously circumstances can change but at the moment if a change of manager does happen it looks as though John W Henry will have to do some firing first.
Juan,
Whilst I'm reasonably happy with the performance tonight I don't think it changes anything regarding Roy's future at Anfield. The league game against a forceful Blackburn will be difficult and nothing less than a win will take the pressure off him. Even if we do win there is still the problem of Reina and Torres being unhappy as Jim reported last night. We simply cannot afford to lose those two so unless their issues are resolved he still remains likely to be removed sooner than later.
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« Reply #200 on: October 22, 2010, 12:26:05 AM »
:D

Di Matteo and his right hand man, Dennis Wise - let's revive the bootroom.

And Tommy Cooper as new managing director.

Denis Wise. Never, ever, in the entire history of mankind, has a surname been so inappropriate.

In 5 years time Di Matteo will be a star man. ('And you can take that to the bank, and smoke it') :D
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« Reply #201 on: October 22, 2010, 12:27:40 AM »
Your not too far behind Tes there Dude  :P

You saying I'm older than Dude?   :'(  :D :D
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« Reply #202 on: October 22, 2010, 12:44:37 AM »
Juan,
Whilst I'm reasonably happy with the performance tonight I don't think it changes anything regarding Roy's future at Anfield. The league game against a forceful Blackburn will be difficult and nothing less than a win will take the pressure off him. Even if we do win there is still the problem of Reina and Torres being unhappy as Jim reported last night. We simply cannot afford to lose those two so unless their issues are resolved he still remains likely to be removed sooner than later.

Agreed ASI.

It in no way takes the pressure off Hodgson.

A resounding 3 or 4 nil win at Blackburn would be a start but at this stage I think its only a matter of time for Roy. Its interesting to hear Carra say the players are behind Roy, could that be because Roy guarantees him his place.

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« Reply #203 on: October 22, 2010, 12:46:05 AM »
I pretty much agree with the lot.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/football-news/2010/10/21/comment-why-new-liverpool-fc-owners-must-end-roy-s-wretched-reign-55578-27522787/

Why new Liverpool FC owners must end Roy's wretched reign

Oct 21 2010 By Ben Thornley, Head of Sport

BILL SHANKLY once said: “Aim for the  sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor”.
It’s little wonder then that after  appointing Roy Hodgson   Liverpool find themselves in the Premier League basement.
Now the club is rid of Tom Hicks, George Gillett and their debts,  Hodgson is the greatest limiting factor on the Reds’ ambitions.
His disastrous Anfield reign must  be ended before Sunday’s visit of Blackburn Rovers,  a side whose experience under the Londoner should serve as a cautionary tale to the  Liverpool board.
Martin Broughton, Christian Purslow and Ian Ayre were rightly feted for their  role in ousting Hicks and Gillett. However, their first major collective act – replacing Rafa Benitez with Hodgson – is threatening to undermine all their  hard  work.
Briefing the press against  Benitez last season, a member of the Reds  hierarchy  described the Spaniard as a man who never took responsibility  for his mistakes.
Now’s the moment, though,  for the same man  to take ownership of a massive blunder of his own.
It has been suggested that it is not the ‘Liverpool Way’ to sack a boss so soon, despite Hodgson making the worst start by a Reds manager since the 1920s.
Those same people, however, mistake the club’s fabled unwritten code for inertia – just as David Moores did for 16 blundering years.

If the new owners are serious about restoring Liverpool to former glories they must act swiftly.


The new manager needs time to assess the weaknesses of his squad in readiness  for the  January transfer window.
And even his greatest supporters can not  believe Hodgson is the man for the long haul at the Reds.
The longer he  is left in charge the more time it will take for the next boss to  undo the damage.

If the  63-year-old is given until Christmas, as has been suggested, at best Liverpool stand to loose their star men – at worse their Premier League status.

He  was the wrong  choice  from the start and his appointment was a sign  of reduced ambitions.
And the most dangerous thing you can do at an underachieving club  is to lower sights further – something which Hodgson has   continually attempted to do.
From being a team looking to challenge for a place in the Champions League, Liverpool’s manager is now  talking about avoiding relegation.
His sympathisers,  who claim he should be granted more time  having only had eight league games in  charge, are missing the point.
It’s no small achievement turning Liverpool into a bottom two side  after that number of fixtures.
The former UAE boss’ strength has always been realising the potential of ordinary players – perhaps that’s why he’s tried to sign so many of them.
But he also appears to do a mean line in making stars who once lit-up the Champions League look like Championship players in waiting.
And what is it that those urging patience are waiting to see from Hodgson’s realised vision for Liverpool?
This is  a man who has overseen just  one  Premier League away win in 17 months – and that was against  Portsmouth – and has never won a trophy outside of Scandinavia.
Tellingly, Liverpool’s greatest performance under Hodgson was in the Premier League opener at home to Arsenal.
The longer he has had to integrate his ideas on the squad the worse they have become.
Using  the quality of the players he has at his disposal  as an excuse for the Reds’ poor form just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Of the players who were  available to Hodgson in the humiliating 2-1 defeat to   Blackpool at Anfield, eight played  in the 4-1 victory at Old Trafford in 2009 (it would have been nine had Fabio Aurelio been fit).
And since then  internationals Joe Cole,  Glen Johnson and Raul Merieles  have been added to the squad.
Liverpool’s playing staff may not be good enough to break back into the top four but managers like Ian Holloway and Roberto Di Matteo would happily swap resources with Hodgson.
Under a different manager  Sunday’s derby clash, coming days after the completion of NESV’s takeover, would have been the perfect setting for Liverpool to relaunch their season.
Hodgson, however, seems to drain players of passion rather than fill them with inspiration.
After the dismal 2-0 defeat at Goodison, it’s become increasingly apparent that he has lost a large section of the dressing room.
An overwhelming  majority of the club’s supporters have certainly abandoned him.
Significantly, it’s not just the  West Country kranks who plague radio phone-ins calling for Hodgson’s head – it’s the Kop.
And there are few better judges  in the game or fans as patient as the Anfield faithful, who continued to chant the names of Benitez and Gerard Houllier right  to the end.
Comparisons have been made with the slow starts made by both the Frenchman and the Spaniard, but after eight games both coaches had made a noticeable impact.
Houllier brought organisation and a defensive resolve missing during the  Roy Evans years, while Liverpool began to play with more fluidity and press higher up the pitch under Benitez.
There hasn’t even been a glimmer of hope under Hodgson that things may improve.

The Kop recognise he  is hopelessly out of his depth,  like a man who has spent his life flying model aeroplanes   but  now finds himself behind the controls of a jumbo jet he’s tilted into a nosedive.


The Londoner may protest about being one of the most respected coaches in Europe, but what he means is that he’s the   man UEFA call on to give a seminar on the 4-4-2 formation.
Only once before, however, has the phone ever rang when  one of the continent’s elite clubs had a vacancy.
A third-place finish in charge at Inter Milan is the sum total of Hodgson’s achievements at the highest level.
Nothing else in his  CV even begins to suggest  he has the calibre of a Liverpool manager or the ability to cope with the huge demands of the job – just five years ago, he was struggling to guide Norweigian outfit FK Vikings beyond Rhyl in the Uefa Cup.
Seemingly, securing seventh place  in 2009 and a run to the Europa League final the following year secured him one of the most prized roles in football.
As impressive has achievements were at Fulham, though, at no time in Liverpool’s past would they have even put him  on the club’s radar.  It’s the kind of mistake you’d expect the English FA to make, not Liverpool.
George Burley led newly promoted Ipswich to fifth in 2001, Walter Smith took Rangers to the Europa League final  in 2009 and Dennis Wise defied the odds to reach the FA Cup final with Milwall in 2004 – all accomplishments on a par with Hodgson’s.
Yet there would be rioting on Merseyside if any of those managers were even considered for the role.
Ending Hodgson’s reign now would probably be in his best interests too, allowing him to salvage his reputation with his  friends in the media  portraying the dismissal as the knee-jerk reaction of Liverpool’s new American owners.
It’s painful watching a man slowly lose his dignity in the manner Hodgson is with each passing press conference.
At least in the short term Kenny Dalglish should be given the opportunity to revive the Reds’ fortunes.
Even in a caretaker role the Liverpool legend’s appointment  would galvanise the club,  generating  a level of excitement among supporters that could only inspire the players.
And if his audition didn’t work out, Dalglish would be the first man to admit it.
Unlike the current boss, who still believes he was harshly sacked by Blackburn. This  despite leaving them bottom of the table after 15 games and   out-spending all but Manchester United in the summer of 1998.
If Liverpool have that kind of money  at their disposal this January, it can’t be  Hodgson spending it.

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« Reply #204 on: October 22, 2010, 09:34:40 AM »
Agreed ASI.

It in no way takes the pressure off Hodgson.

A resounding 3 or 4 nil win at Blackburn would be a start but at this stage I think its only a matter of time for Roy. Its interesting to hear Carra say the players are behind Roy, could that be because Roy guarantees him his place.

I'm waiting for the day when a high profile player comes out and states 'the manager's a total retard who wouldn't know his bottom from his elbow, and that my kid's pet goldfish could do a better job'.

It would be a start, but like the Man City defeat wasn't a problem in isolation, a resounding win with flowing football wouldn't herald a recovery either. I agree with you Juan, that the clock is ticking on Roy.
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« Reply #205 on: October 22, 2010, 12:58:34 PM »
Awrite Tes and Juan, quick question. Is there anything Roy could do to see people like you have a change of heart? Winning Europa League and finishing 6th would deffo be quite an improvement compared to Rafa's last, if not his last 3, seasons. Quite confident that achievment wouldn't satisfy you two. Would finishing 4th, win the EL and reach the Cup final be enough?  I'm very curious to hear your opinion on what the man has to actully achieve to be rewarded with some support.
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« Reply #206 on: October 22, 2010, 01:09:37 PM »
Hodgson - I'll never quit

Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson insists he is at Anfield for the long haul after coming under pressure in the job.

The former Fulham boss took over at Anfield in the summer but has overseen a poor start to the domestic campaign, with the Reds taking just six points from their opening eight games to sit second from bottom of the table.

There was speculation before Thursday night's goalless Europa League draw in Napoli that he was preparing to stand down but Hodgson insisted nothing could be further from his mind.

Instead, the veteran boss insists he is a fighter and he will battle to turn around the fortunes of the club on the pitch.
Ridiculous websites

Hodgson told Sky Sports News: "You read these ridiculous websites that we have and resignation has never once entered my thought and, what's more, never will.

"I pride myself on being a bit of a fighter, I pride myself on being able to stand the bad times.

"I've had a lot of good times recently - Barclays Manager of the Year last year, great accolades here and there and everywhere - I realise in football you don't get the accolades all the time, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and fine.

"It disappointments me that there are so many ridiculous websites, every day someone tells me that there is a new rumour about something that's supposed to happen and I think it's rather unfair that serious people use those rumours and then ask me questions because I shouldn't even be answering that question as it's literally never entered my mind and, what's more, won't enter my mind.

"I'm here for the long haul, I'm here to do a good job, I came believing I can help Liverpool rebuild and get going again, the players are very much behind everything we're doing."

Progress

He added: "So as far as I'm concerned it's work in progress, it's problematic at the moment because it's work in progress at the wrong end of the table, it's problematic because we're losing and not winning but there's only one thing to do with that - get out and play each week, play better, get the wins, get up the table and then you'll see my smiling face more often than my scowling one."

Frank Rijkaard has been backed with Sky Bet as a possible replacement for Hodgson but the Liverpool boss said such speculation could not concern him.

"It doesn't bother me one little bit," he said.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6459242,00.html
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« Reply #207 on: October 22, 2010, 01:16:35 PM »
"I've had a lot of good times recently - Barclays Manager of the Year last year, great accolades here and there and everywhere - I realise in football you don't get the accolades all the time, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and fine.

Well done Woy, Barclays manager of the Year certainly qualifies you for the job!




"I'm here for the long haul, I'm here to do a good job, I came believing I can help Liverpool rebuild and get going again, the players are very much behind everything we're doing."

Oh feck, long haul.....bye bye Torres, Reina.  Good luck to you both!

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« Reply #208 on: October 22, 2010, 01:30:39 PM »
Denis Wise. Never, ever, in the entire history of mankind, has a surname been so inappropriate.

In 5 years time Di Matteo will be a star man. ('And you can take that to the bank, and smoke it') :D

you might be right, Tes. 

I googled there now for him.  I see in today's papers, the lad is trying to bring in the sardines hay before the winter strikes.

the 40-year-old reckons surviving the upcoming winter period before the January transfer window opens will be like buckling down for the cold, dark months if you live on a farm.

The Baggies boss said: 'It's like when you are a farmer.

'You want to bring as much hay into your stall as possible for a long winter.

'That's what we are trying to do.'
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« Reply #209 on: October 22, 2010, 03:16:19 PM »
Awrite Tes and Juan, quick question. Is there anything Roy could do to see people like you have a change of heart? Winning Europa League and finishing 6th would deffo be quite an improvement compared to Rafa's last, if not his last 3, seasons. Quite confident that achievment wouldn't satisfy you two. Would finishing 4th, win the EL and reach the Cup final be enough?  I'm very curious to hear your opinion on what the man has to actully achieve to be rewarded with some support.

There you go again dragging Benitez into it. What's that got to do with anything we may or may not feel about Roy Hodgson? 'People like us'? What would that be then? Just because we're not happy with the current situation. The performances, the way the manager is constantly dragging down expectations, as if they need dragging down.

Roy's wonderful isn't he? All hail Roy. And I promise not to complain about the sand getting in my eyes.
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