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Meireles deal almost done
« on: August 28, 2010, 09:35:17 AM »
Both The Guardian and Daily Telegraph are reporting Raul Meireles is close to signing for LFC. If Barcelona hadn't got Masch they would have gone for this guy so it seems he's quality.

Hopefully he'll do well for us and Masch will soon be a distant memory.
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Re: Meireles deal almost done
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 08:58:11 PM »
From what I've seen of this lad he looks a real talent. If this is Masch's replacement it could turn out to be a real good bit of business (fingers crossed he takes to the prem). This could turn out to be an interesting season.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 09:24:44 PM »
Quality player and the price is sensible too. He's got more to his game than just being a holding midfielder.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 03:27:50 AM »
i am excited by this turn of events...........I was very disappointed with monster last season.  The lad didnñt push on as much as I felt he would.

This new lad is so cheap....10.7 million.....merely because he was entering the final 2 years of his contract at Porto.  I think he can offer us more than Monster did.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 10:12:51 AM »
I imagine Agger will be looking at his tattoos with envy. He has them all over his body apparently. Just keep your shirt on if you score a goal... please!
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Re: Meireles deal almost done
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 11:41:33 AM »
Quite happy with the Masch outcome as we get Meireles...always thought he was excellent and shows passion which always helps....with Konchesky also signing...then that looks to be the end of the transfer deailings...
and we've had a pretty good summer despite the rats abandoning all hope before its even sprung a leak (masch and benayoun)

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 02:04:20 PM »
Quite happy with the Masch outcome as we get Meireles...always thought he was excellent and shows passion which always helps....with Konchesky also signing...then that looks to be the end of the transfer deailings...
and we've had a pretty good summer despite the rats abandoning all hope before its even sprung a leak (masch and benayoun)

Barticus, hopefully we'll add another striker, maybe Toivonen.
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Re: Meireles deal almost done
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 08:29:59 PM »
Suppose we'll have to wait and see, I agree that we have been sorely missing an engine in midfield for quite some time kindof like a Mascherano but working in the other half of the pitch. In particular I was disappointed with Lucas in the Europa league last week that his forays up field were few and far between, leaving it to Kuyt to provide the impetus to drive on and win the game. I've always felt that it was this decision that would make or break our season, so here's hoping!!!

btw, here's a good article by this dude Dion Fanning who writes for the Sunday Independent. He's not to everyone's taste but worth a read! :)

Shackles are off at Anfield, so abandon hope all who enter[

Sunday August 29 2010

The hopeless optimism of Liverpool's supporters vanished after defeat to Manchester City last Monday night. This was a good thing. Liverpool is no place for hopeless optimism. Or even hopeful optimism.

Every time Joe Cole plays he gives another example of why only the deluded could see him as the signing of the summer. Liverpool is no place for the deluded.

There should have been no optimism among Liverpool fans this summer, no Newcastle United-style rejoicing at a summer signing. Not when the club is in peril. The chairman Martin Broughton said at the beginning of July that the club was on course for "where we would have expected to be" which involved a sale by the end of August. August is at an end and Liverpool aren't where they expected to be. They're not even where it's at.

Liverpool now have a football team to match the reduced ambitions of the boardroom.

The club which once existed solely to be a source of pride to their supporters and had no other purpose is now a source of pride to Andy Gray, Jamie Redknapp and Sky Sports, and a headache for the banks. The club is being managed as Sky Sports always felt it should be. It has an English manager who is playing England's captain in his favourite position. Liverpool are doomed.

On Monday night, Andy Gray's pre-match tactical analysis on Sky anticipated with relish Steven Gerrard's selection in midfield. The reluctance of nearly every manager Gerrard has worked under to select him in midfield was raised. Gray seemed bewildered by this collective wisdom as if trying to work out why a woman would dump a cat in a wheelie bin.

Some managers have certainly acted as if English players are dumb animals as they surround them with players who can do their thinking for them.

Under Hodgson, Liverpool are taking a different approach and the defeat to Manchester City demonstrated how it's going to work out.

At Liverpool, they have embraced the quota system as the means to shape a more English personality to their team. Liverpool have never had an English personality, even when the team was mainly made up of Englishmen.

Gerrard, in his unconscious way, has retreated from the humiliation of the summer and decided that the solution to this humiliation is to surround himself with Englishmen and feel safe.

Rafa Benitez tried to challenge him and, for a time, he was successful. But Gerrard wasn't happy, as if happiness has anything to do with anything. Gerrard has run from hard choices his whole career and resented those who tried to make them for him.

He should have left Liverpool rather than be the arrested and malfunctioning heart of the team. Instead he ducked those challenges and now, helped by his supporters on Sky, he has changed the rules again. He will be happy, and Liverpool will be happy, if Gerrard plays in central midfield, a position of importance to match his ego.

Hodgson seems inclined to give these powerful forces within the dressing room responsibility. He has handed Joe Cole a central role, ignoring the lessons of this summer, and every summer, that no Englishman anywhere should ever be given a central role or the responsibility that comes with it.

By the end of last Monday night, Gray should have been chastened. Instead he didn't seem to grasp the significance of his post-match comments as they showed a clip of Gerrard hitting the post. It was, Gray said, "Steven Gerrard at his best". Liverpool were 2-0 down and Gerrard, freed from the restrictions of having to think and create, was trying his Superman routine. "The shackles were off," Richard Keys said beside Gray, unable to grasp that central midfield play is about recognising when to shackle and to unshackle. Steven Gerrard's problem is that he has no idea how he does the things he can do, let alone how to do the things he can't.

The self-destructiveness at the heart of this desire for Gerrard is its most interesting factor.

Under Benitez, Gerrard was finally allowed to play without responsibility as a partner for Torres. His legs may or may not be up to this role at this stage of his career but it will take an astonishing mental adjustment for him to do anything else.

Hodgson is a man well-respected in UEFA circles or, in other words, a nonentity, a corporate line manager who can make everybody feel at home. Sky feel at home at Liverpool now.

Javier Mascherano's refusal to play created a convenient scapegoat (there always seems to be one nearby when Gerrard is exposed) as Hodgson had to abandon his plan to play Gerrard behind Torres at the last minute. Mascherano had stated his desire to leave for a year so intending to play him in the last few days of the transfer window could be seen as bad planning rather than planning.

Hodgson used the fall-out from the Mascherano strike to criticise Benitez's attempts to sign Dirk Kuyt. Benitez had given a written undertaking that he would not return to sign his former players, Hodgson claimed.

Some said Hodgson had made a similar promise when he left Fulham, that he would leave the talent at Craven Cottage alone. By signing Paul Konchesky, he can be said to be observing the spirit of this agreement.

"We don't need the money," Hodgson said when discussing Inter's interest in Kuyt, words that should have tripped a few alarms when Liverpool need every penny they can get.

Hodgson was the appointment of a board that has failed in its primary duty. He was the low maintenance man they could do business with while they failed in their main objective.

It is time for Liverpool supporters to start boycotting matches, to take direct action against the owners and the board that sustains them still.

Hodgson, it was said, brought stability. Liverpool does not need stability, it needs radicalism. Bill Shankly did not bring stability; if he had, the club would have remained stable in the second division. Hodgson needs to challenge Gerrard. When Cole returns from suspension, the manager will have to confront their failings and play them where they are most dangerous, not where they think they belong.

Benitez had to go because the dressing room atmosphere had soured. So far this season, Liverpool are playing with the abandon of free men.

dfanning@independent.ie

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Re: Meireles deal almost done
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 09:43:40 PM »
Good read Ed.  Thanks
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 10:45:35 PM »
Dion 'nail on the head' Fanning is always an excellent, if rather truthfully uncomfortable read.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 11:58:10 PM »
Good read alright.

Its too early to right off Hodgsons decision to play Gerrard or Cole central. I am willing to give Roy time but I have to say I haven't liked what I have seen to date.

Should the proposed takeover collapse then I would go with Dion on the radical approach.

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 11:36:09 AM »
Good read alright.

Its too early to right off Hodgsons decision to play Gerrard or Cole central. I am willing to give Roy time but I have to say I haven't liked what I have seen to date.

Should the proposed takeover collapse then I would go with Dion on the radical approach.

Juan, I think things will take time to gell, with so many new players to integrate and for the existing players to develop understandings with their new team mates and vice versa, and then everyone has to get to understand what the manager wants of them, both individually and within the team framework.
It must be difficult as we have a large core of players still there who are used to Rafa's methods and requirements.
We can only hope he's able to instigate the same (or better) level of improvement as he did at Fulham (relative to Fulham's standards and expectations).

It's difficult for us to remain patient as it seems so long since we've had regularly enjoyable football to watch and a feeling that we are in with a very realistic chance of challenging for and even winning trophies, added to which is the regular transfer bargain scramble and the average, workaday players we seem to buy. Jovanovic is already looking like another typical Rafa player.
It's also hard when the likes of Ancelotti comes in and has an immediate effect, which so far, looks as though he won't be a one season wonder.

We have to keep the faith - it's all we have.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2010, 02:05:49 PM »
Good read from Dion. Andy Gray and his fellow "experts" (who rarely if ever actually tried management themselves) have always had the easy answers for our problems, and always mocked the last manager (and the one before) for not taking their advice.

Playing players in their favourite position - even if it's not their best position. Foreigners don't understand our game. What's wrong with 4-4-2? Always pick your strongest team. Why stick with a player who isn't doing well? If you don't persevere with a player he'll never get an understanding. On and on...

Now they've actually got someone to take their advice it's going to come as a shock if it doesn't work out.  They're not used to their theories actually being put into practice.

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2010, 02:31:55 PM »
What's wrong with 4-4-2?
Against a weaker team at home - nothing. The fans would demand it. But away against a strong opposition it resulted in us being outnumbered in midfield. That's how I saw it anyway. Will we play 4-4-2 against Birmingham in a couple of weeks? I'd be amazed if we did.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2010, 02:50:18 PM »
Against a weaker team at home - nothing. The fans would demand it. But away against a strong opposition it resulted in us being outnumbered in midfield. That's how I saw it anyway. Will we play 4-4-2 against Birmingham in a couple of weeks? I'd be amazed if we did.

I agree, it's just that the pundits tells us after we've struggled in a game we played 4-2-3-1 that we'd have won if we'd gone 4-4-2. Zonal marking v man-to-man marking is another one of their obvious answers to all our problems.