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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 09:04:26 PM »
From:

Philippe Coutinho to Barcelona: Liverpool refuse to discuss transfer for three days

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/844064/Philippe-Coutinho-Barcelona-Liverpool-transfer-news-Champions-League-Hoffenheim-latest

LIVERPOOL have put a decision on Philippe Coutinho's future on hold until AFTER Wednesday's Champions League qualifier with Hoffenheim.

Sport claim Klopp has asked Reds officials to suspend talks over Coutinho, who Liverpool want to keep, until after that clash.


So what's all this?

If we get knocked out will we sell him, and if we get through to the group stages we make him stay for one more season?

If he stays I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he gets a new deal with a buyout clause in it, and it'll be a long way south of the €150M we're supposed to value him at.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 04:24:14 PM »
Not odd at all.  I think a lot of supporters including me have had that thought over the summer transfer window.  To be seen to do something rather than actually doing something feels like a good fit for FSG.

When you start to look at the overall amount spent over the last 3 transfer windows, you really do to start to wonder (all sorts of things).

When Klopp was appointed I was looking forward to seeing us do Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge type deals, uncovering rough diamonds and polishing them up. Likewise with Rodgers, the only potential saving grace of any sort was the fact that he might do the same ie signing Van Dijk in the Summer of 2015 or even 2013 (when he moved to Celtic) was exactly the sort of deal I was expecting from him.

That didn't and doesn't seem to be happening, nor are we landing more established players for 'decent' prices, and just when you thought we would be investing in a number of players, be they one or the other type mentioned above, a mixture of the two, or 3 - 5 genuine first choice players, we don't seem to be doing that.

Even picking up Salah, Keita and Van Dijk, would leave us weak in some areas and under strength in others.

Likewise FSG appearing to be trying to do high priced deals, whilst holding on to the likes of Sakho, Markovic and Moreno (I'm sure Klopp will see the reality soon enough) etc, by asking too much for players clubs clearly know we don't want (there's no disguising the fact that it's any other way), and not raising some cash, whilst clearing the decks somewhat, seems at odds with not actually spending those big sums. It seems like the worse of both worlds, and a very confused approach.

I wonder how much of an influence Edwards, Fallows, Hunter etc is having in all of these things, as they're the thing that connects both managers' time here. Just how much of a network of contacts does Klopp have, or was Michael Zorc the real power and genius behind the throne, and of course there's no-one of his ilk, with possibly everything he brings to the table, here for Klopp to utilise and benefit from.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 03:54:20 PM »
Liverpool to pounce for Virgil van Dijk if Southampton change mind after Wesley Hoedt deal

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/843965/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Virgil-van-Dijk-Southampton-Wesley-Hoedt

If we were to 'lower' our valuation of Sakho to £20M, just for Southampton, and offer circa £60M for Van Dijk, then we would have provided them with a new central defensive partnership, plus £20M+ towards (a) further signing(s), especially as the Chinese majority owners allegedly aren't stumping up any cash for transfers this Summer.

Of course we've no-one with the skill set to approach and 'sell' that deal to Southampton.

Surely it makes sense to lower the Sakho fee to something closer to £20M (even in today's market), as he's a 'distressed asset'. Why neither raise some money off him nor play him, but just continue shelling out on his salary? Klopp's approach makes no sense on any level, imho.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Gurdeep on Yesterday at 01:12:07 PM »
Anyone else think it's odd that whilst we've gone after Keita and Van Dijk, two players that it looked difficult to successfully negotiate for from the outset, and not switching to any other targets when it started to be pretty obvious we'd not make a breakthrough, and with no reasonable signs of anyone else being in the pipeline, that's it's a case, with FSG, that 'you don't actually need to achieve, you just need to look like you're trying', or am I just being cynical. (The optimistic bit didn't last long  ;D).

Not odd at all.  I think a lot of supporters including me have had that thought over the summer transfer window.  To be seen to do something rather than actually doing something feels like a good fit for FSG.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 12:50:48 PM »
From: http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/southampton-set-to-sign-a-defender-so-what-now-for-van-dijk

Yet Independent.ie have been told by a Saints insider that they remain determined not to sell the player to Liverpool at any price in this transfer window, after what Southampton view as an ‘unprofessional and amateur approach’ to negotiations.


Buckle up for the roller coaster ride of a challenge for a UEFA Cup spot, as we try yet again to stave off sinking to mid table mediocrity.  :-[
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 12:29:28 AM »
A pretty good summation of where we are with this Summer's transfer business (or lack of):

Sadio Mane magic can't mask Liverpool's transfer muddle as Philippe Coutinho transfer saga rumbles on

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4807706/Sadio-Mane-magic-t-mask-Liverpool-s-transfer-muddle.html

Liverpool, and their sporting director Michael Edwards, have been hamstrung by muddled thinking in the transfer window all summer.

They did not cover themselves in glory during a very public pursuit of Virgil van Dijk but what was more striking came via a lack of alternatives.

Van Dijk cannot be the only competent centre back they were willing to lavish £60million on, but that is how it appears.

Similar can be said of Naby Keita at Red Bull Leipzig, with interest 'cooled' in the midfielder after bids were rejected by the Bundesliga outfit.

Liverpool should have been planning for Coutinho's exit for two months. Barcelona's interest dates back to this time last year and Paris Saint-Germain's world-record move for Neymar was not a shock when completed, either.

If FSG decisions are based on more than making statements to appease fans, contingency plans ought to have been put in place before now.

Klopp says Coutinho's situation is being handled by 'the club', not himself, and it is hardly ideal for a manager who planned to deploy the Brazilian deeper this term to orchestrate and let Sadio Mane flourish further forward.

Business is expected to be done at Melwood in the coming 10 days, with Klopp's office just a few yards from that of Edwards, and Liverpool will become a much more attractive proposition should Hoffenheim be seen off.

That this great club has not already been sold to more than three new recruits points towards a floundering transfer policy under Edwards.



Bang on the money.

That Edwards was appointed to his new position in the first place shows a complete lack of understanding of what is required of a sporting director at a football club. Even after nearly seven years of owning us, they are no more clued up about the footballing side of the club and it's requirements.

He (Edwards) seems unable to swiftly and clinically negotiate transfers, we seem indecisive over targets, and slow to move in on, or on from the individual signing processes. We're more likely to watch than act. We're reactive rather than proactive. We 'monitor' or 'register an interest' at the time we should be moving to 'get the deal done'.

The media briefing and public running commentary in the Van Dijk farce shows a clear lack of mature understanding, and displays a complacency which is both breathtaking and totally lacking in both decency and dignity and makes the club look totally arrogant.

It's just a constant amateur hour.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 20, 2017, 08:05:28 PM »
From: Jurgen Klopp hints Philippe Coutinho's absence from Liverpool team is NOT down to back injury

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jurgen-klopp-hints-philippe-coutinhos-13504364

"It's not my decision, I'm the manager of the football team so when players are available, I coach them, and that is how it is.
At the moment Phil is not available, but you can imagine missing Philippe Coutinho would be a big blow for each team in the world, so it is for us.
But it's the situation so I cannot change it, and whatever I would say cannot change it."


So it's not a case of the manager saying, 'I want to keep this player, he's critical to my plans', and the owners/board act on that, but rather it seems as though he's been instructed not to play him, so the owners can keep their options open in case of a suitable bid, or indeed Coutinho is refusing to play.

So by extension, does Klopp have total control over who is signed and who is sold, or does he have to put up with any players foisted on him by Edwards and the other clowns in charge of our woeful transfer business, whilst having players sold from under him if the bid is high enough to suit the owners'/board's requirements?
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 20, 2017, 07:53:01 PM »
So is Coutinho staying? 7pm has past, so I guess that means Barca's farcical offer has now been withdrawn.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 20, 2017, 05:05:43 PM »
Liverpool transfer news: Philippe Coutinho has gone on strike to join Barcelona - Kelly

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/843647/Barcelona-Transfer-News-Liverpool-Philippe-Coutinho-Premier-League-Jurgen-Klopp-Kelly

I know it's all rumours etc, but judging by how Klopp has treated Sakho, are we going to be in the same situation with Coutinho?

Coutinho, by my reckoning, has done far worse than anything Sakho could have done. Klopp's always been adamant that he only wants players who want to play for LFC, not just in the CL, but for the club first and foremost, so where does Coutinho now rank in that sort of criteria?

Selling South Americans to the two biggest Spanish clubs hardly makes a club a selling club. For South Americans, those two clubs are the pinnacle, all else is 'less than' - not the Liverpools, AC Milans, Juventuses, Bayern Munichs, Man Utds etc - not to South American players. 

I'd rather see him gone and replacements brought in. Players who want to play for our club. That's what we deserve as a club and as fans.

Barca need to stump up fully for any replacements for Neymar. They set the precedent themselves by demanding the full fee in one lump sum for selling one of their best players. They need to follow the rules they set in place if they expect a club to part with one of their best.

Klopp needs to be using the pathetic make up of the bids in the anti-propaganda war to illustrate to Coutinho just how little they really want him, as their bids are hardly serious or credible. If they were serious they would front up like PSG did to get Neymar.
They're playing a game with Coutinho, in turning his head, yet not backing that up with decisive bids, risking the club turning down those bids, and basically playing with Coutinho's head and leaving him in a sort of no man's land.

Just as those oxygen thieves that act as his agents have acted, we ought to turn the tables, firstly against them by highlighting how foolish they were not getting a release clause inserted and then turning his head towards a situation that was fraught with difficulties to achieve, and towards Barca with their half hearted attempts at buying him.

What's good for the goose is good for the Liver bird.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on August 19, 2017, 05:21:14 PM »
3 points and a clean sheet. Benteke didn't score against us (for once).

After last weekend's debacle and the throwing away of 2 points, I'll take today's result and keeping a clean sheet, at home, shutting out Benteke etc before Wednesday's return against Hoffenheim.

A repeat of today's score, or the clean sheet part at least sees us through, definitely in the CL and hopefully in a position now (financially, at least from FSG's perspective) to get something more done before the window shuts.

Damn, this being a optimist thing is hard work, especially where we're concerned at the moment.

The thing with FSG not accepting (at least not yet) bids for Coutinho, along with our lack of signing alternatives or allegedly not having a Plan B of any sort when not being able to sign highly priced, though extremely difficult to get players, is that I hope Klopp hasn't been put in a position where it's either keep Coutinho but with no other 'significant' signings, or if we want those difference making signings then Coutinho has to be cashed in on.

Anyone else think it's odd that whilst we've gone after Keita and Van Dijk, two players that it looked difficult to successfully negotiate for from the outset, and not switching to any other targets when it started to be pretty obvious we'd not make a breakthrough, and with no reasonable signs of anyone else being in the pipeline, that's it's a case, with FSG, that 'you don't actually need to achieve, you just need to look like you're trying', or am I just being cynical. (The optimistic bit didn't last long  ;D).
 
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