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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by the dude abides on March 24, 2017, 03:00:35 AM »
what do you expect.

United's annual turnover is around 500 million.....Liverpool's is around 300 million.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Edward224 on March 23, 2017, 06:27:53 PM »
Laughing at the news we're competing with Man Utd to sign Jose Gimenez.........like we have the ambition to get that type of proven top class player.

We'll offer him around 2/3rds of what man utd will offer and wonder what went wrong.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by the dude abides on March 19, 2017, 04:45:21 PM »
Sometimes I wonder if he thinks he's better than he really is.

good point.

Tes, it's the fact that he plays for the German national team, that always makes me pause and reconsider my view of Emre Can. 

Like, how could he be a regular for Germany, one of the world's best national teams, and yet be so poor looking a player for us.

He must have something about him.  Personally, I don't see it. 

He is a central midfielder i.e. he cannot play wide.   But he is neither a defensive nor an attacking midfielder.  So what use is he to any team.  He doesn't excel in any role.


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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2016/17
« Last post by the dude abides on March 19, 2017, 04:38:43 PM »
He needs to be backed in the transfer market and he'll get what you are seeking.

If had been given the left back he wanted then we'd have been more balanced.

But he needs backing in the transfer market. He can only teach old dogs so many tricks because no matter how much you try and polish a turd, at the end of the day a turd will always be a turd.

If we refuse to sign his No.1 target players then he can only do so much.

I was worried about his legacy because he can walk into any job in the world but he chose us.

But as this club are so inept he is frankly our last hope of ever doing anything

I partly wished he went to the mancs or Barcelona or real or Bayern so his talent would match the success he'd have their.

P.S. I also have to laugh at Dude saying we were ever balanced with Rafa as manager. We were totally negative team 'sh it on a stick football' was what it was called.

I have not read as much tripe for a long while.

You keep going on about FSG needing to back our manager in the transfer market.  But Jurgen has repeatedly said that he has their full backing, and has never once been turned down when it comes to money and bringing new players in.

So stop telling porkies.   

Contrast that with the bloke you wanted sacked - Rafa Benitez.  In Rafa's last two seasons, he had very little funds to work with.  Indeed, in his last summer, he had a net spend of a mere ten thousand pounds. 

Jurgen needs to start from the back, and establish a good defence. 

I don't think I have ever seen a weaker spine in a Liverpool team, in my entire lifetime.

Our inability to compete and beat the lesser sides, is an embarrassment. 
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2016/17
« Last post by the dude abides on March 19, 2017, 04:29:47 PM »
Worship money and are bankrupt when it comes to their knowledge, understanding and even care, about football.
Fans aren't ever even an afterthought. They hype their 'product' and actually believe that the hype is reality.

absolutely.

And that's the thing about it - I have lived abroad for many years, and I just do not get the appeal of the Premiership, relative to other leagues.  The technical quality in Italy, Spain and Germany is superior.  The natural abilities of players in south america is far superior.

The premiership is a well marketed brand......scratch below the surface, and it is pretty ordinary fare.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2016/17
« Last post by Edward224 on March 18, 2017, 10:20:33 PM »
Balanced teams in PL era:-

92 - 94 - Man Utd

97 - 98 - Arsenal

98 - 2002 - Man Utd

2000 - 2005 - Arsenal

2004 - 2008 - Chelsea

2007 - 2011 - Man Utd

2009 - 2010 - Chelsea

2013 - 2015 - Chelsea

2016 - 2017 - Chelsea

See the coincidences?

Non balanced teams:-

1992 - 1995 - Blackburn

1994 - 1998 - Liverpool

1992 - 1994 - Arsenal

1999 - 2004 - Liverpool

2004 - 2009 - Liverpool

2005 - 2017 - Arsenal

1999 - 2004 - Chelsea

2010 - 2014 - Man City

2013 - 2017 - Liverpool

2011 - 2017 - Man Utd

Spot the differences? Yes those teams won trophies but won it in the main due to individual talent and either through defensive nous or attacking flair not both. Or didn't win anything due to lacking one of the other.

So please stop the boll ocks that we were ever balanced under Rafa. If you think we were balanced then I suggest you read the definition of that it means.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2016/17
« Last post by Edward224 on March 18, 2017, 10:12:19 PM »
Another interesting, though obvious observation from Giles:

John Giles: Klopp and Guardiola wouldn't know how to put a basic defensive training drill together

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/john-giles-klopp-and-guardiola-wouldnt-know-how-to-put-a-basic-defensive-training-drill-together-35543545.html

Though maybe not as glamourous, and even seen as an inconvenience by some, a defence is as vital as an attack to a team's success. We are not Barcelona, and the PL, more than any other league is not La Liga.

One way or the other Klopp needs to sort that out. It cost us the title under Rodgers, and ultimately his job. It's why Evans' team, the best team going forward in the league at the time, were also 'barely rans'.

Yes because his Dortmund team was defensively frail...............He needs to be backed in the transfer market and he'll get what you are seeking. He brought in Matip who's been a very good signing and from August to December Milner at left back was solid. If had been given the left back he wanted then we'd have been more balanced. There is a reason he's not playing Moreno. His mistake was giving Mignolet another chance and Karius really needs another 12-18 months to really see how he develops.

But he needs backing in the transfer market. He can only teach old dogs so many tricks because no matter how much you try and polish a turd, at the end of the day a turd will always be a turd.

But I find it amusing certain people are already turning on him because trust me when I tell you this he can walk into any club in the world as manager tomorrow and I even said to Martin that when he arrived I was worried about his legacy because he can walk into any job in the world but he chose us. But as this club are so inept he is frankly our last hope of ever doing anything notably again otherwise we'll turn into Everton. I don't trust us and partly wished he went to the mancs or Barcelona or real or Bayern so his talent would match the success he'd have their. With us he can use all his talent in the world, but if we refuse to sign his No.1 target players then he can only do so much.


P.S. I also have to laugh at Dude saying we were ever balanced with Rafa as manager. We were totally negative team 'sh it on a stick football' was what it was called. If we were truly a balanced team from 2006 to 2009 we'd have won a league title. As the mancs were truly a balanced team then with defensive nous matched with attacking flair. We have defensive nous but no attacking flair - we only had Torres and Gerrard. Balanced my bottom.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Edward224 on March 18, 2017, 09:58:57 PM »
I'd rather keep Can as back up then sell him and have to buy 2 midfielders in the summer. As we haven't funds for transfers and wages for buying to midfielders this summer.

But I do agree he has been poor. But he and Milner are adequate back ups for Henderson, Lallana, Wijnaldum and another. So I'd give him next season and if not improvement sell him in 2018.

For me Can isn't a DM he is a CM and in that role isn't as good as the aforementioned 3, but as a back up is good enough. So I'd rather spend the cash on one midfielder than split it on two midfielders.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on March 18, 2017, 07:58:47 PM »
I hope to goodness, that we sell Emre Can in the summer, and bring in a proper a top-notch defensive midfielder.

Can, despite being only in his early 20s, looks too heavy to me - and has the turning circle, the speed of movement and thought, of a bloke ten years older.

After two or three years in England, I expect far better of him.

He's better suited in the Bundesliga or Italy.

Sometimes I wonder if he thinks he's better than he really is.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2016/17
« Last post by Tes on March 18, 2017, 07:56:22 PM »
Another interesting, though obvious observation from Giles:

John Giles: Klopp and Guardiola wouldn't know how to put a basic defensive training drill together

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/john-giles-klopp-and-guardiola-wouldnt-know-how-to-put-a-basic-defensive-training-drill-together-35543545.html

Though maybe not as glamourous, and even seen as an inconvenience by some, a defence is as vital as an attack to a team's success. We are not Barcelona, and the PL, more than any other league is not La Liga.

One way or the other Klopp needs to sort that out. It cost us the title under Rodgers, and ultimately his job. It's why Evans' team, the best team going forward in the league at the time, were also 'barely rans'.
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