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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on Yesterday at 10:42:49 PM »
This quote made me laugh from Joey Barton, when responding to Klopp talking about being able to write a book on defending:

"they’ve got a Champions League attack…but they’ve got a Championship defence."

 ::)

it must be embarrassing for Klopp and his coaching team......to be laughed at and ridiculed.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on Yesterday at 10:39:26 PM »
How many of these situations do we see outside the penalty area during the course of 90 minutes, and how few get awarded as a foul against the player who actually touched the ball?

Just like goalkeepers should do their homework on penalty takers, referees should also be aware of players, like Vardy, who 'buy' fouls or create a situation where they 'technically' get fouled.

As it's all supposedly about intent, then surely the intent 'to get fouled' should be regarded and considered just as wrong as the intent 'to foul', and if there is no intent to 'get fouled', then the lack of intent 'to foul', should be weighted equally too.

absolutely.

refs need to be far more intelligent and clued in.

the same dark arts are being deployed by the same dark artists.....and refs are to blame for that.

do they not watch football highlights on TV - and see what certain players are up to? 

As you say, the intent to be fouled, and fool refs, should be identified.......and punished.

If refs are not up to the job on match day, then start bringing in retrospective punishment for the usual players.  Indeed, if i was at the FA, I would start asking specific refs about their performances.
 
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 03:39:06 PM »
This quote made me laugh from Joey Barton, when responding to Klopp talking about being able to write a book on defending:

"they’ve got a Champions League attack…but they’ve got a Championship defence."
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 03:36:53 PM »
From: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-target-another-two-defenders-while-tottenham-could-land-real-madrid-man-in-swap-deal-transfer-rumours-36165953.html

"Arsenal are interested in Le Havre defender HAROLD MOUKOUDI - but face competition from Nice, Bordeaux and Red Bull Leipzig. It's reported that the Gunners have their eye on the 19-year-old, seen as an up-and-coming star in the French youth football."


Considering that Nice, and even more so, Red Bull Leipzig have a top class record of unearthing real quality players for not lot of money, then maybe we should be in on this piece of action. I'd trust any number of clubs' scouting before I'd place any faith in our's.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on Yesterday at 11:01:59 AM »
Our keeper touches the ball - and their lad makes contact.  I think if the keeper goes through to clear the ball he will do serious damage to Vardy.  Thus he did well to pull out.  But Vardy goes down.

Refs really need to get up to speed. 


This is what I don't get either. Mignolet goes to kick the ball, makes full contact, and then the 'momentum' of a swing of the leg, which is required to kick a football, means he catches an opponent. Isn't it obvious that can and will happen many times on the pitch over 90 minutes. It's part of football being a contact sport.

Likewise with Vardy. He doesn't make any contact with the ball, yet runs into our player, whether it's just the leg on Mignolet's follow through, or another part of his body, thereby, surely that in itself is a foul. If you 'play the man' and not the ball, then that's a foul.
It's the same as when a forward leaves a leg out to make contact with the defender's leg, and then goes over, that's not a foul, or at least it shouldn't be, because at the moment the defender makes his leg movement, the attacker's leg wasn't there to be caught.

I don't know whether Mignolet pulled out (or at least was half hearted) through fear of damage to himself or Vardy, but if he'd have made full contact with the ball, the momentum of the kick would have still seen him make contact with Vardy, likewise if Vardy had have touched (as Mignolet did) the ball, he would have still then made contact with Mignolet. Would that have been a foul on Mignolet? Highly doubtful. In fact, that would have probably also been a penalty as Vardy (not Mignolet) would have touched the ball, and then made contact with Mignolet, and most probably have gone down, and Mignolet would have been punished 'for being there for Vardy to make contact with, and would have been regarded as stopping Vardy's progress'.

How many of these situations do we see outside the penalty area during the course of 90 minutes, and how few get awarded as a foul against the player who actually touched the ball?

Just like goalkeepers should do their homework on penalty takers, referees should also be aware of players, like Vardy, who 'buy' fouls or create a situation where they 'technically' get fouled.

As it's all supposedly about intent, then surely the intent 'to get fouled' should be regarded and considered just as wrong as the intent 'to foul', and if there is no intent to 'get fouled', then the lack of intent 'to foul', should be weighted equally too.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on September 24, 2017, 09:31:34 PM »
Surprisingly (or not) there's so little being mention about the very obvious foul on Mignolet for their first goal, which somehow wasn't seen or given, and then contrast that with the penalty, where Mignolet connects with the ball first, and Vardy just continues with his run in a straight line, through Mignolet's follow up and down he goes.

Mignolet was unlucky with Vardy's goal, that his save landed on Vardy's head, but why was a player of Vardy's quality, left unmarked to head in? Mignolet got no protection yet again from his defenders.

Can yet again nearly gave away a goal with a sloppy, misplaced pass, and he needs to bust a gut more to get himself back into a defensive position when play breaks down. You see no real effort from him to get back.

I am no fan of Can either.  He looks far too lazy most of the time - and - energy-wise - he looks more like a lad in his late 20s, not one in his early 20s. 

Depresses me how poor refs are.  I thought the ref had a nightmare yesterday.  At the start - they just brutishly stopped our break down the right.  Should have been a clear booking....nothing.  Then 5 minutes later they did the exact same thing down our near side (left).  Again, no booking.

As they have done previously, Leicester employed all the dark arts......do refs not watch Match of the Day in recent years?   Vardy fooled the ref into thinking Matip fowled him before half time....for a move that ultimately led to their first goal.  Vardy is going nowhere and is second to the ball - so he runs across the stride of our player and goes down.  Are refs thick?

And that subsequent foul on our keeper for that first goal.  Neither ref nor linesman could see the clear foul?  By the way - we really need Hendo and our lads to start shouting and giving off a lot more often.  We are far too nice. 

And for their second - I thought it was going to be a freekick to us.  Our keeper touches the ball - and their lad makes contact.  I think if the keeper goes through to clear the ball he will do serious damage to Vardy.  Thus he did well to pull out.  But Vardy goes down.

Refs really need to get up to speed. 

Overall, we won.  But I take little heart from it.  This type of unbalanced football has no future.  I imagine a lot of people in the industry are scratching their heads.




 
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 24, 2017, 09:05:54 AM »
Good to get back to winning ways, but we are just far too open, at all times.

Surprisingly (or not) there's so little being mention about the very obvious foul on Mignolet for their first goal, which somehow wasn't seen or given, and then contrast that with the penalty, where Mignolet connects with the ball first, and Vardy just continues with his run in a straight line, through Mignolet's follow up and down he goes.

Mignolet was unlucky with Vardy's goal, that his save landed on Vardy's head, but why was a player of Vardy's quality, left unmarked to head in? Mignolet got no protection yet again from his defenders.

Can yet again nearly gave away a goal with a sloppy, misplaced pass, and he needs to bust a gut more to get himself back into a defensive position when play breaks down. You see no real effort from him to get back.

Well done to Coutinho, who seems to have put his 'disappointment' behind him, but for Fowler's sake, get another agent. He's too good a person to be corrupted by his snakes of agents.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Under 20s transfer thread.
« Last post by Tes on September 23, 2017, 10:43:43 PM »
Liverpool and Everton both keen on signing Charlton teenager Ezri Konsa

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-everton-both-keen-signing-11224742

Age: 19  Position: Centre Half
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 22, 2017, 01:59:21 PM »
no balance

no new defensive players bought in the summer

no effort to fix clear ongoing defensive issues

and making 7 and 8 changes to our line-up each game, thus no building of understanding

what could possibly go wrong?   :( ??? :-X :-\

Professional players shouldn't switch off from a throw in, but to lessen the chance, then it needs drilling in with regular practice.

Everything is disjointed.

Surely if we're to play such an attacking style then the most important aspect is that the defenders can defend, first and foremost. Surely a centre half can make a 10 yard pass, rather than being able to bring the ball out, beat a man or two and then lay it off.

If we're going to utilise full backs as wide attackers, then it has to be one at a time, not both racing forward, and a defensive midfielder (at least one) to sit and protect whatever's left of the back four when possession is lost.

Harry Maguire (coincidentally now at Leicester) from Hull or Michael Keane (who went to Everton from Burnley) would both have been worthy acquisitions. Both 'proper' defenders.
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