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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: Yesterday at 01:59:21 PM »
no balance

no new defensive players bought in the summer

no effort to fix clear ongoing defensive issues

and making 7 and 8 changes to our line-up each game, thus no building of understanding

what could possibly go wrong?   :( ??? :-X :-\

Professional players shouldn't switch off from a throw in, but to lessen the chance, then it needs drilling in with regular practice.

Everything is disjointed.

Surely if we're to play such an attacking style then the most important aspect is that the defenders can defend, first and foremost. Surely a centre half can make a 10 yard pass, rather than being able to bring the ball out, beat a man or two and then lay it off.

If we're going to utilise full backs as wide attackers, then it has to be one at a time, not both racing forward, and a defensive midfielder (at least one) to sit and protect whatever's left of the back four when possession is lost.

Harry Maguire (coincidentally now at Leicester) from Hull or Michael Keane (who went to Everton from Burnley) would both have been worthy acquisitions. Both 'proper' defenders.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: September 21, 2017, 02:46:37 PM »
Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp facing potential defensive injury problems with Dejan Lovren and Joel Matip doubtful

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-news-injury-lovren-matip-emre-can-leicester-jurgen-klopp-a7959376.html

So considering how many games they missed between them last season, and despite that Klopp felt no need to add to the ranks, and even let Sakho and Lucas go, so I guess for him, this is no reason to worry.

As for the rest of us mere mortals..........................

And then for Tuesday, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse:

"If both Matip and Lovren miss Saturday's match, Klopp will hope at least one can return before his side's Champions League group game against Spartak Moscow on Tuesday.

One of the pair's potential stand-ins, Gomez, is suspended for Liverpool's next European game following his sending-off against Sevilla.
"

James Milner better get some practice in and convert from left back to centre half.

Car Crash F.C

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / The Under 20s transfer thread.
« on: September 21, 2017, 08:43:06 AM »
As half the players we're linked with seem to be under 20, building for the future that never seems to turn into the present.

So today we're linked with two sub 20 players:

Liverpool transfer news: Reds eye RB Leipzig defender Dayot Upamecano

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/856838/Liverpool-transfer-news-Dayot-Upamecano-RB-Leipzig

Age: 18  Position: Centre half


Liverpool news: Reds face battle with Tottenham for Werder Bremen wonderkid David Philipp

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/856792/Liverpool-transfer-David-Philipp-Tottenham-Werder-Bremen-football-gossip-rumours

Age: 17  Position: Attacking midfielder

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: September 20, 2017, 10:08:37 PM »
We seem to be heavily linked with Stefan De Vrij at the moment, either a January move, or potentially a free transfer next Summer.

Why? We already have enough problems with the amount of games Matip and Lovren miss through injury, and De Vrij's injury record doesn't read like the improvement we need:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stefan-de-vrij/verletzungen/spieler/111196

Liverpool and Juventus target scores first goal of the season to give Lazio the lead

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/liverpool-and-juventus-target-scores-first-goal-of-the-season-to-52911

"Lazio, however, are now 3-1 down. De Vrij did non start the second half due to an injury.;D  ;D

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: September 19, 2017, 11:46:29 PM »
Thankfully the FA Cup 3rd round isn't until January, so our season can't quite be over by Christmas.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: September 18, 2017, 12:13:32 PM »
Klopp considers Sturridge sale after setting striker ultimatum

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/klopp-considers-sturridge-sale-after-setting-striker-ultimatum


I doubt this would be true, but strikers, probably more than any other player, need games to develop and keep their rhythm. Sturridge not getting that, just getting the odd start and a few minutes from the bench here and there, is not helping him, and are we really set up to get the best out of him. Conversely, is his style suited to ours anymore?

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« on: September 18, 2017, 12:07:17 PM »
Euro Paper Talk: Julian Draxler wants to leave Paris Saint-Germain

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11041810/euro-paper-talk-julian-draxler-wants-to-leave-paris-saint-germain


How to use the transfer budget best - Julian Draxler or Alex Oxlade- Chamberlain.

Hmmmmmm, tough one isn't it? Not.   :'(  :'(   :'(

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: September 18, 2017, 12:00:22 PM »
dire defending for their goal....klavin ball watched, leaving a man behind him to score.

same old, same old.


Trent gets beaten in the air with the long ball, though he did seem to mis-judge the flight somewhat and get himself under the ball, rather than maybe take a step or two back and then be able  to 'attack' the ball properly.

Klavan, seeing that Matip was challenging Wood for the second needs to drop off his partner to deal with the ball should Matip not win the header, and in any case, should have been aware of Arfield and picked him up or been ready to, depending on the outcome of the Matip/Wood header.
Robertson should have also got back in there and covered his centre half (Klavan), when Klavan got drawn to the ball, and would have been there to pick up Arfield, who Klavan had left.

With all the chopping and changing of the back four and goalkeeper, there's no understandings or consistency of working together, but neither are individual players reacting to, or reacting correctly to 'moments' in the game as moves develop. The three parts of the Burnley goal highlight it perfectly.

Then what was Can doing back near his own goal line, 'challenging' Klavan for a ball, when there's no Burnley player near, and then from the resulting corner, Mee isn't picked up at the far post, and again, seconds later, the exact same mistake is made again.

They seem unable to know what to do in the first instance and then are unable to understand what was done wrong, learn from it and correct it.

Amateur Youth team players on a Saturday and Sunday are more clued up about the 'nuts and bolts' of defending.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« on: September 15, 2017, 12:14:22 PM »
absolutely.

how can anyone have that amount of free space in front of our goal.  That type of scenario should only exist, at the death of an important game,  when we are desperately chasing the game, and get caught on the counter.

I don't blame our team.  I blame Klopp.  I would hate to be a defender, or midfielder, in this outfit.   You are onto a hiding to nothing.  A sensible manager would bring in a top defensive midfielder.  A sensible manager would have plans b, c and d, in his back pocket and cope with all continguencies.  He would know how to game manage.

Maybe Klopp's tactic worked in Germany.  Maybe it might work in the Champions League, or Europa Cup.  But I struggle to see how any team conceding this amount of soft goals, will ever win a Premiership.

Whilst I'm not saying PL teams go route one and the German leagues are more tactical and technical etc, but there is definitely a readiness to use set pieces to score through in the PL, and the ball will get 'tossed in there', and I don't mean aimlessly, but with intention, having been worked on in training. You see more short corners and short free kicks if it's in a wide area in the continental leagues, than in the PL.
I guess it's down to the choice of keeping possession come what may or trying to 'force' an opening sometimes.
Short free kicks and corners being used to keep possession from the initial touch of the ball and 'work' an opening, whereas putting the corner or free kick into the box lowers the chance of keeping possession, but to try and counter the risk of giving possession away, free kicks and corners are worked on. It's just a different attitude or outlook.

All of which highlights the 'perceived flaw'. With corners and free kicks that are 'put in there', the attacking team tends to bring in central defenders to the penalty area, plus an overall greater number of players than in normal 'open' attacking situations, therefore leaving them potentially open to being hit on the break, if possession doesn't remain with the attacking team from the second touch after the initial corner or free kick has been taken.
I guess that's the risk that using the short corner and free kick to keep possession from the second touch onwards, tries to avoid. Fewer bodies forward, less chance of being hit on the counter if possession is lost, but an opening has to be created from the second touch onwards, rather than the free kick or corner being the potential 'assist' in itself.

So we get this gung ho attitude as opposed to a more cautious, build on top of sound defensive set-up and discipline, which is actually far more reckless than the 'less cautious' PL attitude of 'loading' for corners and free kicks, from a manager who comes from a league where the' less cautious' approach seems not to be the prevailing mindset.
I know Klopp can't prevent things like Lovren simply not being able to make connection with the easiest of potential clearances, but Moreno (or whoever is playing left back at the side of Lovren) should have it embedded in him that when covering his centre half, he is the right side and distance from the player he's supposed to have picked up, having identified that danger. It wasn't like there were two 'free men' to cover, so for our left back (I don't want to say it happened 'because' it was Moreno playing left back), the prevention was quite straight forward.

Klopp stated the solution was simply for the defence to 'step up' catching opponents offside, but even if done in perfect synchronisation by the back four, it still has to be spotted by a linesman or referee, so you're not totally reliant on your own actions to achieve a defensive result. Why didn't the defence do that? Is it not 'programmed' into them so they do it automatically? There's a big gap it seems between Klopp's idea of what should have happened, and what actually did or didn't happen.

So if it's down to players that aren't following instructions, who can't implement the training ground instructions in the 'heat of battle', then why weren't alternatives brought in last January or this Summer. January this year was Klopp's third window at the club.
He's had from October 2015 to May 2016, and August 2016 to May 2017, to see what's what and only Matip (for free) and Klaven for a mere £4.5M (and that wasn't a bargain price, just cheap because that's his 'value') have been brought in. I'm not just saying 'throwing money at it' will sort it, but changes were/are needed and you have to 'invest' in what is actually required.  We've had a full season with the addition of Matip and Klaven, and the defending from August 2016 to May 2017, was hardly the required improvement over the October 2015 to May 2016 period.

When you see a readiness to spend the amount of money on a Wijnaldum type and standard of player, then £35M on Oxlade-Chamberlain, yet no investment in the 'option' of a defensively orientated midfielder, and the mediocre signings of Klaven and Klarius, both for under £5M and our highest outlay on the defensive side of the team is the £8M-£10M spent on Robertson, you have to wonder about where the entire defensive side of the game actually sits within Klopp's thinking and philosophy. 

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« on: September 14, 2017, 11:18:36 AM »
we need to score at least 3 or 4 goals to win any game.

what frustrates me most, is that Klopp has no idea about game management.  It's the same attack, attack, attack strategy, regardless of whether we are winning, losing, or if it;s the 5th minute, or the 95th minute.  Pure and utter madness.

At 2-1 down, away from home, our opponents had only 20 minutes left to find a goal.  Why do we make it so easy for them?  We should have closed up shop, and forced the Spanish to push forward - that is leaving gaps, that we can exploit with our pace on the break. 

Klopp's game management does not exist.   There is no future to this madness.

Exactly. By sitting back and remaining tight and compact, they would have no choice as time passed to get more desperate in their attacking leaving more gaps for us to exploit on the break, with controlled counter attacking.

When Lovren completely misses his clearance and the ball runs through to the Sevilla player, it should still have been harder for him by us having someone picking him, and being goal side. He could have pitched a tent and invited all his mates round to do the same, there was so much space.

How does the situation arise where an opponent is left unmarked, centrally, and in acres of space, right in front of our goal?

Klopp's seeming approach reminds me of Rodgers' approach in that game at Palace, where we threw a handsome lead away and ultimately the title by continuing to attack en masse, with no regard of leaving the back door wide open, even after they pulled it back to 3-2.

Every game is different, isn't it, so has to be managed on an individual basis depending on what is happening in that game.

Last night, three points was all that mattered. Sevilla are possibly the hardest team in the group, and so getting three points in our home game against them would have given us a great start over them, put us three points ahead, and therefore, we'd put our fate in our own hands from the start.
With Spartak Moscow being held by Maribor too, we would have put ourselves in a strong position from the off.

We now have to match or better Sevilla's and Spartak's results game by game, and possibly need to win in Sevilla (if the group goes to expected form).

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« on: September 13, 2017, 11:17:02 PM »
Oh dear. Klopp has no defence. Literally.

We're three centre halves short. Minimum.

We throw away goals like the bride's mother does with confetti.

Good to see chances created. Frustrating to see them missed.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: September 13, 2017, 07:12:32 PM »
We seem to be heavily linked with Stefan De Vrij at the moment, either a January move, or potentially a free transfer next Summer.

Why? We already have enough problems with the amount of games Matip and Lovren miss through injury, and De Vrij's injury record doesn't read like the improvement we need:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/stefan-de-vrij/verletzungen/spieler/111196


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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: September 13, 2017, 07:03:43 PM »
Jurgen Klopp must address defensive inconsistency at Liverpool - Steven Gerrard

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/644663/Steven-Gerrard-Jurgen-Klopp-Liverpool-vs-Sevilla

"“There’s been a bit of inconsistency,” he said on BT Sport.


Ha. A bit of inconsistency.  He's either forgotten what it was like to play in a team than can defend, and hence what defending should look like, or he's truly a 'company man'.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« on: September 13, 2017, 04:16:41 PM »
Klopp won't say whether Coutinho starts, but it will be interesting because:

Barcelona Ask Philippe Coutinho to Refuse to Face Sevilla in Champions League

https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-transfer-news/2017/9/12/16294010/barcelona-tell-philippe-coutinho-refuse-play-champions-league-liverpool-sevilla

Probably more BS from Don Balon, but I wouldn't put it past Barca. They think they're above everyone, and neither would I trust that pair of crooks Coutinho has as his agents.

What a surprise, on the eve of our first CL game, this appears:

Barcelona "ready to drop interest in Philippe Coutinho" and sign Jean Michael Seri from Nice in January

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/barcelona-drop-interest-philippe-coutinho-11163451

Surely this can't be a reminder to Coutinho that if he plays for us in the CL this season, he can kiss goodbye to a January move, and possibly next Summer too, as they probably wouldn't need him if they get Seri.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« on: September 12, 2017, 11:24:36 PM »
So Karius starts instead of Mignolet against Sevilla.

Klopp seems determined to prove he hasn't made a mistake signing Karius.

Let's hope his kicking is better than it was against Arsenal, otherwise we could find ourselves in trouble.

Klopp won't say whether Coutinho starts, but it will be interesting because:

Barcelona Ask Philippe Coutinho to Refuse to Face Sevilla in Champions League

https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-transfer-news/2017/9/12/16294010/barcelona-tell-philippe-coutinho-refuse-play-champions-league-liverpool-sevilla

Probably more BS from Don Balon, but I wouldn't put it past Barca. They think they're above everyone, and neither would I trust that pair of crooks Coutinho has as his agents.

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