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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: November 18, 2017, 07:53:32 PM »
Surely after today's performance, and his season so far, Van Dijk's fee is now no more that £35M/£40M.  ;D

Do we splurge £60M/£70M (supposedly) on Van Dijk, or do we look to buy a 'partnership' for that money?

It's going to be harder in January getting quality, but if there is an option available that would upgrade on Klavan (arguably Lovren also as there's little to choose between them so far this season), do we do that?
Strengthening the squad is exactly that, even if it's an upgrade on our third best centre half - I'm not placing Gomez in any centre half pecking order as he hasn't really been seen there for us, and his performance for England in 'a three' is arguably different to what would be required in a traditional centre back 'partnership', so I'm not considering that.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: November 18, 2017, 05:13:27 PM »
Imagine if Salah was a clinical finisher, how many goals he'd get for the season. Klopp seems to have identified a 'perfect fit' in Salah. Credit to him.

And another unsoiled piece of bedding. Can't really ask for too much more. Now let's put a run together until the  end of January at least.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: November 18, 2017, 05:10:11 PM »
off topic

awful penalty decision for the Swizz.   Beyond awful.

Come on N Ireland in the return leg!!

And come on the Republic v Denmark!

Why would Michael O'Neill want to manage Scotland over Northern Ireland? If he'd been offered the Rangers' job, or a PL job, then I'd understand, but Scotland over his own homeland? Why?

Moyes should have put himself forward for the Scots' job and eased himself back into management. West Ham's a no win. The Hammers fans think they should play like Brazil, for some bizarre reason.

Hopefully Watford keep hold of Silva. He's too good for Neverton. I hope Rhino gets it full time and leads the charge straight to the second tier. It would be sweet seeing one of their 'legends' getting them relegated.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: November 05, 2017, 02:18:09 PM »
Good win, of course, and a set of well made, well taken goals.

I know we're never going to shut out a team from creating any chances, but the defence still looked a concern. Ayew's early chance where everyone was ball watching again and Moreno had tucked in too far leaving Ayew clear.

For the goal, Gomez should have attacked and cleared the ball, though I'm not quite sure what he thought he was doing, and there were a couple of 'good' chances for The Hammers in the second half that really shouldn't have happened.

Our players appear to focus solely on the ball, rather than being aware of opposition players around them that they should be picking up. Looking at the position of the back four for Ayew's chance, it looked like they were all positioned nicely if zonely marking, but as Ayew wasn't in "anyone's zone" he wasn't picked up and had a clear chance. We have to pick up/mark players, especially once play gets into our defensive third of the pitch.
Defending no longer becomes about cutting out dangerous spaces or reducing clear lines of an effective pass once play is in or around our box. It's about stopping players from having chances, whether shots or headers.
Ultimately, players, not zones or spaces, score goals.
We're always open to a ball played from one side of the pitch to the other around and in our area, as players are lining up zonely, and not picking up opponents.
Both Ayew's chance and Lanzini's goal came from a ball starting from the opposite side of the pitch, and both were in the widest position, and neither player was effectively dealt with when the ball came to them, as our full backs (who were our widest placed players) had tucked in and were in a more zonal formation within the back line.

Gomez, to me, looked as though he was caught between 'going to his man' or staying in his zone, as the ball came across.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: November 04, 2017, 05:39:22 PM »
Milner's only on the bench, and with Hendo out injured Mignolet's been made captain.

I'd have left Wijnaldum on the bench as it's an away game and his return from injury (I know it was only a short period).

With Oxlade-Chamberlain starting, it looks like Can gets to sit. I'd trust Milner's discipline in that role ahead of Can's every time.

I think I'm going to file a missing player's report on Robertson at my nearest copshop.  ;D

LIVERPOOL: Mignolet, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Can, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Salah, Mane, Firmino.
Subs: Karius, Lovren, Alexander-Arnold, Milner, Grujic, Solanke, Sturridge.

I get the feeling Klopp doesn't think Gomez is ready for an extended run (of more than 1 game) at centre half.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: November 04, 2017, 05:32:43 PM »
I always took the penalties for the team I played for.

There is no divine right to score. 

Milner didn't miss his penalty. The keeper made a good save.

Milner would be my penalty taker.

Likewise.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I think Milner's earned the right to be our penalty taker if he's on the pitch. His record speaks for itself.

Milner's penalty would have been good enough 9/10 times, but like on numerous occasions in the match, the keeper pulled off an excellent save. 

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: November 03, 2017, 11:16:42 PM »
Salah, Firmino and Milner have all missed pens this season!

Maybe it's time the Captain took them!

Whoever takes them needs to borrow Klopp's magic trainers to take them in.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« on: October 30, 2017, 04:20:58 PM »
I'd like to see Oxlade-Chamberlain given a full game on Wednesday. Possibly keep Wijnaldum in seeing as it's a home game and see if he can add to his Huddersfield goal.

So then who out of Milner, Grujic, Hendo and Can (in order of preference). I'd like to see what Grujic could do especially as neither Hendo and especially Can have exactly put many trees in danger so far this season. Then again, the same can also be said of Wijnaldum.

Surely Robertson gets a full game if only to give our first choice ( :'() left back a rest, seeing as it looks like it's his spot to lose this season and Klopp needs to pace players with the manic December/January schedule not that far off.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: October 30, 2017, 04:03:57 PM »
But Milner is our penalty taker.  He needs to be taking them (or Hendo).

Exactly. Why try mending what's not broken.

West Ham (away) and Southampton (home) will provide us with a sterner test of the defence than Huddersfield did.

I know Karius kept a clean sheet last time out against Maribor, but with the defence looking slightly less shaky against Huddersfield, then surely a bit of stability and continuity would be helpful bu keeping Mignolet in goal on Wednesday.
A second clean sheet and few goals to strengthen our goal difference could be another small step in the right direction, and at the moment even small steps are seeming to take on greater significance.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: October 29, 2017, 12:55:44 PM »
Good to see Sturridge get a goal, and the quality of his finish. If he can manage it, it would be good to see him given 60 minutes against Maribor on Wednesday.

Likewise to see Gomez start at centre half.

Hopefully yesterday's result will have a greater effect than the 7-0 against Maribor did.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: October 28, 2017, 07:06:32 PM »
A well worked ruse. Lovren gets selected to play, looking like the manager is backing his player, only to be taken out of the firing line at the last minute with a muscle injury warming up. Now he can safely put a few games distance between the Spurs game as he 'recovers from injury' ;D

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: October 26, 2017, 03:46:01 PM »
Time hardly seems to be yielding improvement, in fact quite the opposite.

How much longer will players be given 'to get it'?

Klopp may only have been here for two years, but with our defensive problems being much longer standing than that, it's very difficult to keep re-setting the patience button every time there's a new manager or new approach starting.


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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: October 25, 2017, 06:13:16 PM »
Wagner: Klopp’s Liverpool have problems scoring and defending

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/wagner-klopps-liverpool-have-problems-scoring-and-defending

 ;D  ;D


That's alright then. I thought we had serious problems. As you were, then.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: October 25, 2017, 05:21:21 PM »
Liverpool news: Jurgen Klopp must NOT be trusted to buy players in January - Steve Nicol

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/871032/Liverpool-news-Jurgen-Klopp-transfer-gossip

So Mr Nicol, who do you suggest? Michael Edwards? Barry Hunter? Dave Fallows? Aka the transfer committee, minus of course, Brendan and 'Harley' Ayre.

Herein lies the crux of the problem we've been talking about since Rodgers' second Summer.

The entire recruitment process, and by extension, whoever is therefore involved, is simply not fit for purpose. In fact our defence is more fit for it's supposed purpose.

Our recruitment has been poor by and large across the last two managers with the common thread being Edwards, Fallows and Hunter.

Dortmund's recruitment has been praised during the Klopp era, continued with Tuchul and has hardly been lambasted now Peter Bosz is at the helm. The common thread across all that time - Michael Zorc.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: October 24, 2017, 07:37:54 PM »
absolutely. 

with Klopp wanting our full-backs to be constantly supporting the attack it means crazy pressure on our two centrebacks, when the other side breaks.

being a Liverpool centreback, or keeper, must be one of the most thankless jobs in sport.

in my lifetime, I have never seen anything at Liverpool anywhere close to this defensive shambles.

Exactly. Just as we see how exposed and vulnerable the two centre halves are left, and with a goalkeeper behind them, who can also pull the sort of stupidity (for the first goal) and just plain dire technique (for the fourth goal) and therefore is just plumb unreliable, you have to wonder what they (whichever pair are put in the firing line of playing centre half) are thinking. Sometimes they look shell shocked, or just plain disbelieving at what they're expected to deal with. Lovren hesitated, as if unsure what to do, and let the ball go over his head for the first. So when that then proved to be the wrong action, he just did the opposite and rashly attacked the ball, missing it the next time.
They don't look sure of what to do. People who practice find they do things automatically because practice makes it come naturally. Practice develops understanding. Our centre halves don't look like people who have been drilled, who have practiced things time and again. Nothing looks like it comes naturally. Everything has to be worked out, and that thinking time, and lack of surety, keeps proving fatal.

Even a superb reader of the game like Hyypia, or a pure defender like Carragher or Terry would flounder in this team.

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