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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« Last post by the dude abides on January 07, 2018, 07:15:35 PM »
I think Klopp understands that you don't necessarily replace 'certain' players, you replace or improve on 'their effect'.

Only when Coutinho didn't play in the front three does our midfield have real 'creativity', especially if Lallana is missing. Even then, it's been more a front four rather than Coutinho really playing in midfield.

Improving the pace, dynamism and 'real' creativity (Lallana aside) of our midfield (Can, Hendo, Wijnaldum) would help hugely.

Mane now gets the chance to play most games and rediscover his top form, and as Lallana's fitness and match touch comes back, we have two things to help fill the gap in a slightly different way.
Oxlade-Chamberlain is gradually have more impact, and as that develops, it will bring something additional.

Coutinho's a pretty unique player, hence Barca wanting him above others. We can adapt and develop, rather than try to replicate. After all, how many trophies did the 'collective' win with Coutinho in it?

that final point, is something that I have been thinking about too.

How often has Phil ever even looked like leading us to a league title, or a cup.

Suarez was the guy who nearly hauled us to the title a few years back.  But Phil has never been in that class.

I will always remember him scoring a great dinked goal at Old Trafford the other season, to put the UEFA Cup two-legged tie to bed just before half time.  That will be my favourite moment of Phil's......as well as his great free-kicks.

As you say, it's not a case of replacing like-with-like.  Every player brings their own attributes and personality to a team. 

Like you, I would like to see creativity added to our midfield.  And also a holding midfielder too, to protect the defence......not forgetting a new keeper.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on January 07, 2018, 06:28:10 PM »
apart from woeful commentators (endless meaningless data and drivel), I rarely ever get pissed at coverage of a game.  But I found the BBC's coverage of this game as cringeworthy (as you refer to it).

As a public broadcaster, the BBC was well below par.  I am surprised that there has not been a lot of complaints.

I don't understand why the likes of Holgate and Rooney get an easy ride from punditry team, while Firminhio (and in many other games, Lovren) and our lads get crucified. 

I am a big believer in equality.  And I think we need to see highly paid broadcasters confronted. 

The half-time (and full-time) allegations against the Brazilian were out of order.  And the dig at the scouser on benefits was beyond contempt.  If the same was said about a foreign citizen, or a person of colour, the pundit would be finished.   I thought Murphy was better than that. 

That little punditry group are far too smug and casual.   They are far too cosy and familiar with their surroundings.  I'd break it up and bring in fresh faces.

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on January 07, 2018, 04:18:23 PM »
It was real sick bag, cringeworthy stuff at times, and Shearer's viewpoint changes according to the team or personnel involved. His ex-England team mates always get an easy ride, where as those foreigners etc.................

I'm surprised Holgate's shove on Firmino wasn't brushed over completely, after all "it's a contact sport".

Lovren and Henderson can't put their hands on a player in the box, otherwise it's a penalty, and they 'should know that'. Holgate on the other hand, can, as long as it's not overly forceful because "it's a contact sport".
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« Last post by Tes on January 07, 2018, 04:08:07 PM »
poor form losing him in January.  I think that says something about the player and his loyalties.

Big money move.   I hope we use it wisely - and not be a dummy like when we sold Torres for big money, and burnt our dosh on Andy Bloddy Carroll.

I imagine letting Phil go in this window, must mean we have someone immediately lined up to come in.   Though knowing Klopp... if needs be, he will wait for his target to become available, rather than rushing a sale for a lesser player.

IMHO Barca have bought the wrong red.  Salah is a much better player IMHO.  I'd be worried that Madrid come in for him this summer or next.

Just imagine how good Salah will be at Anfield once he gets settled in!!!   Traditionally, a player peaks after two or three years in the premiership.

I'd like us to bring in Jasper Schmeical from Leicester.  Very good keeper, knows the league, strong reassuring presence at the back, good distribution, great stopper.   I also like his colleague Mahrez.

I'd be more surprised to see us 'replace' Coutinho in this window. The whole approach from us seemed different to the Summer, and it wouldn't surprise me if there was an agreement in the Summer that if Barca offer a better deal in January, which is to our liking, then we'd let him go.

I think Klopp understands that you don't necessarily replace 'certain' players, you replace or improve on 'their effect'. A tighter defence lessens the need for Coutinho's goals and assists to be replaced in order to win matches etc.

Only when Coutinho didn't play in the front three does our midfield have real 'creativity', especially if Lallana is missing. Even then, it's been more a front four rather than Coutinho really playing in midfield.

Improving the pace, dynamism and 'real' creativity (Lallana aside) of our midfield (Can, Hendo, Wijnaldum) would help hugely.
Mane now gets the chance to play most games and rediscover his top form, and as Lallana's fitness and match touch comes back, we have two things to help fill the gap in a slightly different way.
Oxlade-Chamberlain is gradually have more impact, and as that develops, it will bring something additional.

Coutinho's a pretty unique player, hence Barca wanting him above others. We can adapt and develop, rather than try to replicate. After all, how many trophies did the 'collective' win with Coutinho in it?
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« Last post by the dude abides on January 07, 2018, 03:13:33 PM »
poor form losing him in January.  I think that says something about the player and his loyalties.

Big money move.   I hope we use it wisely - and not be a dummy like when we sold Torres for big money, and burnt our dosh on Andy Bloddy Carroll.

I imagine letting Phil go in this window, must mean we have someone immediately lined up to come in.   Though knowing Klopp... if needs be, he will wait for his target to become available, rather than rushing a sale for a lesser player.

IMHO Barca have bought the wrong red.  Salah is a much better player IMHO.  I'd be worried that Madrid come in for him this summer or next.

Just imagine how good Salah will be at Anfield once he gets settled in!!!   Traditionally, a player peaks after two or three years in the premiership.

I'd like us to bring in Jasper Schmeical from Leicester.  Very good keeper, knows the league, strong reassuring presence at the back, good distribution, great stopper.   I also like his colleague Mahrez.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on January 07, 2018, 02:56:11 PM »
A false accusation should be punished with the same ban as a genuine racial incident, only it should be Holgate getting the ban. A false accusation sets back the attempt to remove genuine racist incidents.

absolutely.

I am still unclear as to how Holgate, a kid from Doncaster, is fluent in Portuguese.  This has never been explained.   And if the alleged jibe was in english, amazingly nobody else seems to have heard the N word being used.  I was reading about Holgate being lucky a few days earlier, in a dirty tackle from behind on United's Lingard......supposedly could easily have broken a leg...only being a booking.  Someone called him a nasty piece of work - a Joey Barton junior.

On a wider scale - I have to say I was very angry at the BBC coverage of the game.

Not only was the TV producer amateurish, in his/her wrong choice of camera shots (action happening, and them still on some close-up shot of something irrelevant), but also the punditry.

Shearer and his pals now have changed their tune.  A few weeks ago at the same ground, they crucified Lovren and said it was a clear penalty - you can't put your hands on the opponent in the box, was their cry.

Now some three weeks later, Shearer and his pals are adamant that "it's a contact sport" and Holgate's arms all over the Liverpool player did not constitute a penalty.  Shearer has been called out on his hypocrisy in social media since the game.

I liked the way Klopp threw this back in the face of journalists after the game.  i.e. he said that he was sorry three weeks earlier, and was clearly wrong....and unaware that hands on an opponent was an automatic penalty.  He has learned and now tonight's was clearly a penalty too.  He beat them with their own cane.

Also, the pundits never focussed on the clear foul of Matip that led to the Everton goal.

Also they were quick, at half time, to put down Firminho, referring to spitting at Holgate.  They had to row back on that one.   And it was as much as Shearer could do, as to suggest Holgate maybe could have been booked for his dangerous push on Firminho.

Rooney also should have got his marching orders in that first half.  Again, no focus on the tackles.

Of course Murphy referring to a scouser, and his crutches, being on benefits, was the usual anti-merseyside nonsense.  I'd call it racist/regionalist.

From a national public broadcaster, I felt their coverage was well below par.

I'd replace the lot of them.  They seem to be a happy little club, far too smug and limited, to be employed as pundits.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on January 07, 2018, 02:04:54 PM »
Liverpool star Roberto Firmino should receive a 10-game ban if guilty - Stan Collymore

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/672142/Liverpool-Roberto-Firmino-10-game-ban-Mason-Holgate-FA-Cup

So Collymore doesn't find it remotely odd that at the exact moment Holgate reacts to what was said, the ref was right there in between the two players, had been for several seconds before Holgate's reaction, and yet the ref didn't respond in any way to what Firmino said.

Surely if Firmino uses the 'n' word in the ref's hearing, and unless the ref was stone deaf, Firmino's verbal tirade was said in the ref's hearing, then the ref would have taken immediate action.

What's the betting, that Firmino being as angry as he was, and made angry in an instant, let's rip at Holgate in his native tongue of Portuguese rather than go through the mental process of trying to translate his angry outburst into English first.

And what about the violent conduct that sent Firmino needlessly over the hoardings? Will that be punished?

I hope Holgate hasn't said something that's false to try and deflect what he had done wrong in the first place.

There were also plenty of players around the two of them at the point of Holgate's reaction, yet there is no reaction from any other player, especially Everton ones.

A false accusation should be punished with the same ban as a genuine racial incident, only it should be Holgate getting the ban. A false accusation sets back the attempt to remove genuine racist incidents.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« Last post by Tes on January 07, 2018, 01:12:47 PM »
I hope we don't make the mistake of trying to replace Coutinho with a supposed 'like for like' player.

Removing the need for so many goals to be scored, would be a help.

Getting both Salah and Mane to get their heads up, and square the ball at times to a better placed team mate, would see goals and assists increase.

The last three games, where we've only conceded the single goal, shows the real way forward. We've scored plenty of twos and threes with Coutinho in the team, yet failed to win a lot of those games.

We need to bring in more creativity from midfield - Can, Hendo, Wijnaldum, the real midfield offers insufficient creativity. We need Lallana back up to speed asap.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« Last post by Tes on January 07, 2018, 12:29:55 PM »
So he's gone. Huge positive nett spend window for FSG. Everyone's happy. Everyone that counts in modern football, that is.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on January 06, 2018, 12:45:51 AM »
Another ground out win with us not at our best.

Can at fault, yet again, for not tracking Sigurdsson. I wonder if he'll make it to Juve or will he stop at the edge of the Italian coast?

That peno evens up the Henderson one.

I thought Robertson dealt ok with Bolasie, and is growing into the team.

Van Dijk. Next season's new captain.
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