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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 12, 2017, 11:24:36 PM »
So Karius starts instead of Mignolet against Sevilla.

Klopp seems determined to prove he hasn't made a mistake signing Karius.

Let's hope his kicking is better than it was against Arsenal, otherwise we could find ourselves in trouble.

Klopp won't say whether Coutinho starts, but it will be interesting because:

Barcelona Ask Philippe Coutinho to Refuse to Face Sevilla in Champions League

https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-transfer-news/2017/9/12/16294010/barcelona-tell-philippe-coutinho-refuse-play-champions-league-liverpool-sevilla

Probably more BS from Don Balon, but I wouldn't put it past Barca. They think they're above everyone, and neither would I trust that pair of crooks Coutinho has as his agents.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 11, 2017, 01:45:40 PM »
From: http://www.empireofthekop.com/2017/09/11/klopp-explains-his-angry-dressing-room-rant-v-man-city/


“We had then these clear moments and then it’s one goal [conceded], forget it, it can happen, but the red card gave them [the advantage].


Writing off concession of a goal, any goal, as "forget it, it can happen" makes no sense to me. You have to ask why?. Could we have avoided it? What should we have done differently? Can we learn from it and avoid it in future, but "forget it, it can happen", as though it's unavoidable, is just flat out wrong.   
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 11, 2017, 12:07:31 PM »
and come to think of it, he was awful in the international in between these two league games.


Thierry Henry said something quite telling after the transfer:

“You have to bring something on the table. I have been watching him (the OX) for a very long time and I still don’t know what he’s good at."

When we were linked I was hoping it was just 'media talk'. As a squad player I could have possibly felt OK, if it was a £10-£15M fee, but even then there would have been better use for that sum of money. Walcott's another. Big reputation or hype when young, but just hasn't developed or pushed on. Maybe whatever was the cause of the hype was actually the sum of their development and they did it all at an early age, but it was only enough to show 'promise' within the context of them being a young player.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 11, 2017, 11:43:33 AM »
absolutely.

I saw Klopp saying since the defeat, that his team in training practices 7 defenders against 14 attackers....and often don't concede any goals.

But I just don't see any evidence of this during games.

As you mention above, if we have two marauding wing-backs, then this totally contradicts his stated wish to have less crosses come in from our opponents.

What he says and what he does, do not match up.

Overall, there is no Plan B.  It's attack, attack, attack.  Or in one word - OUTSCORE.   

It's great to watch when we are dominating games - but it is seat of the pants stuff, even at the best of times.

I'm old fashioned perhaps.  But I think balance is key.  It's a crying shame that Rafa is not around.....especially with all the resources that the club now has (compared to when he was with us).

Dude, there's nothing old fashioned about balance within football. There are two basic stated aims, or possibly one, just phrased differently - score more than your opponent and concede fewer (apart from a nil-nil, obviously). Simply put, you have to be able to defend well as well as attack well, and you have to balance both out, so both exist side by side, and not have one being to the detriment of the other.

This should be 'Granny sucking eggs' stuff to any coach.

You can't just rely on everything clicking with the attack every single game. There are sensibly too many variables that can go wrong, or not in your favour for that to happen.

You have to be able to grind out or hang on for a result sometimes. When the goalkeeper's having a world class day, when the woodwork appears to keep moving, when individual defenders and collective defences are just having one of those incredible, well above par days, or even luck plays a part sometimes.

We don't look like we do any sort of defensive work within training. We look clueless as to how to do even the basics. It looks as though the last time any of our defenders, and even midfielders, did any sort of defensive routines in training, was when they were all with their individual previous clubs and it was done within the individual requirement of those clubs' own needs and requirements.
There looks nothing 'collective' at all about any aspect of the defensive side of the game.

The last time we as a team looked like we had been drilled and organised was the half season Dalglish was in caretaker charge and trying to earn a permanent position, when he had Steve Clarke alongside him.

Since then, from when Dalglish was actually appointed as  the 'permanent' manager, we've been hopeless, just hopeless.

Everyone can see it. The number of people, 'journalists', ex pros, ex Liverpool players and fans, can't all be wrong, but when you listened to Rodgers, and now to Klopp, they talk in terms of each time being a sort of blip, having extenuating circumstances to explain it, as opposed to being part of a pattern, a body of evidence that clearly indicates a underlying and constant problem.

The only thing balanced at the moment is our goal difference - the attack has been as good as the defence has been bad, or vice versa.

The problem is I don't see any way it will change until Klopp's prepared to accept a problem exists - it's just going to remain an ongoing massive frustration for us.   
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on September 11, 2017, 11:29:10 AM »
and come to think of it, he was awful in the international in between these two league games.


Thierry Henry said something quite telling after the transfer:

“You have to bring something on the table. I have been watching him (the OX) for a very long time and I still don’t know what he’s good at."
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on September 11, 2017, 11:25:35 AM »
a correlation?

Alex Chamberlain loses his last two games 0-4 and 0-5.

a common denominator, perhaps.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on September 11, 2017, 10:49:38 AM »
Liverpool news: Jordan Henderson has tried to get me for five years - Oxlade-Chamberlain

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/643921/Liverpool-news-Alex-Oxlade-Chamberlain-Jordan-Henderson

"“When I was with England with Stevie (Steven Gerrard) we touched on Liverpool but Jordan [Henderson] is the one who most talked about Liverpool,” he told The Times.

“For five years, he’s kept telling me that I need to come to Liverpool because he was enjoying it so much and he feels I’d fit in, and the club would get the best out of me. This week it’s come true.”
"


Watch Wenger come out now and tell us all he was vindicated in saying Oxlade-Chamberlain was 'tapped up'.

If clubs and managers have a problem with players on international duty telling their international team mates to come and play for their club, then they're incredibly thin skinned. It's team mates talking, and it's just the personal view of an individual, not anything to do with the club, and certainly not in an official representative status.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by the dude abides on September 11, 2017, 04:45:08 AM »
Klopp's talked about reducing the number of crosses we allow teams to put in etc, but if both full backs go marauding forward at the same time, we're left with no cover in behind. You can't expect centre halves to keep coming out of the middle and trying to cover, and if full backs are to be used like that, then you need two sitters in midfield, so that one one can come across and cover the flank should an early ball be played into the chasm of space left.
Likewise, you can't play an extra high line if your centre halves lack recovery pace.

Even if all the above is sorted, teams will get a free kick out wide, or a corner and you have to be able to defend them, to do what is 'bread and butter' defending.

absolutely.

I saw Klopp saying since the defeat, that his team in training practices 7 defenders against 14 attackers....and often don't concede any goals.

But I just don't see any evidence of this during games.

As you mention above, if we have two marauding wing-backs, then this totally contradicts his stated wish to have less crosses come in from our opponents.

What he says and what he does, do not match up.

Overall, there is no Plan B.  It's attack, attack, attack.  Or in one word - OUTSCORE.   

It's great to watch when we are dominating games - but it is seat of the pants stuff, even at the best of times.

I'm old fashioned perhaps.  But I think balance is key.  It's a crying shame that Rafa is not around.....especially with all the resources that the club now has (compared to when he was with us).

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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on September 10, 2017, 11:14:26 AM »
One thing that was laid bare yesterday was our complete lack of leadership anywhere on the field.

There was a huge delay for the goalkeeper's treatment, and that was the time leadership needed to come to the fore, to get us through to halftime, and then again during the second half.

Senior players like Henderson and Wijnaldum were totally invisible. Can failed to live up to his own super elevated opinion of himself once again.

Trent got no help or support the entire game. Klavan is or has been the captain of his country. Matip is 26 and vastly experienced.

It was truly pitiful.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on September 10, 2017, 09:55:16 AM »
Barcelona target furious with Catalan giants over inability to complete £114m+ summer swoop

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2017/09/10/barcelona-target-furious-with-catalan-giants-over-inability-to-complete-114m-summer-swoop/

"In addition, it’s claimed that he’s annoyed by the attitude of the Barca hierarchy as they ultimately failed to live up to their promises of taking him to the Nou Camp where he would be playing for the club right now.

Having convinced him that they would eventually reach a deal after visiting their offices, as per the report, Coutinho feels let down by the La Liga outfit and it now raises question marks over their ability to sign him in the future.
"

Seeing as we told them he wasn't for sale, how did he end up in a situation of 'visiting their offices', as we wouldn't have given them permission to negotiate with him?

It shows either how petty Southampton were over reporting us, or how naive and how much of a pushover we still are. Of course, that only applies if any of it is remotely true.

I'm not surprised Coutinho is p!ssed with them, as their bids of only 2/3 as the fee, and an entire 1/3 in add-ons, no matter how easy they would have been to eventually 'achieve', was pretty derisory.
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