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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 26, 2017, 07:55:28 AM »
Barcelona tell Liverpool star Philippe Coutinho they'll bid £138m for him - Duncan Castles

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/640216/Liverpool-transfer-news-Philippe-Coutinho-Barcelona-bid-138m

If they're going to bid €150M, then bid €150M. No two thirds down with the rest spread over however long with qualifying criteria.

I think that if we don't sell this Summer, then we will receive far less next Summer. We need to use the situation of Neymar leaving and the position it puts Barca in, to our advantage.

Let's get shut of a player who no longer wants to play for us, and get in some(one) who do(es).

If PSG get Mbappe and Fabinho, as is looking likely, they will have to have a fire sale to get anywhere near even the most watered down FFP rules.
Drexler and Grzegorz Krychowiak would be great acquisitions. Whilst having a dedicated defensive midfielder is not necessarily Klopp's first choice, having one for certain matches, or to have one to bring on to help close out a game would be a great option to have.

Another would be Leander Dendoncker of Anderlecht, who Monaco are apparently looking at to replace Fabinho.

The Seri links seem to have died a death, as do the Leon Goretzka ones.

Drexler, Seri and one of Goretzka/Dendoncker/Krychowiak (in that order of preference) with the Coutinho money wouldn't be a bad exchange. More options and versatility from those three than with Coutinho alone. Plus, with Goretzka, we have Can's replacement should he not sign a new contract and leave next Summer, already at the club, with a year under his belt. Smooth, planned transition. That was always the way we did things.

If Can stays, there's a potential new midfield partnership, especially if Hendo has another injury ravaged season or doesn't regain his mojo after two seasons worth of long term injury.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 26, 2017, 07:31:14 AM »
Willian to Barcelona rumour could be driven by agent after Coutinho deal trouble - Castles

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/640208/Chelsea-transfer-news-Willian-Barcelona-Philippe-Coutinho-latest-update

Willian's agent may have offered the Chelsea star to Barcelona.

That’s the theory of Daily Record and Sunday Times reporter Duncan Castles.

Willian and Philippe Coutinho share the same agent.

And with Barcelona struggling to get a deal done with Liverpool for Coutinho, Castles thinks a middle-man may have put the Chelsea attacker on the negotiating table instead.


So because the parasites fear they will miss out on a chunk by moving Coutinho, they're going to try and get another of their clients to move, so they can make money on that move instead.

Players are just pawns in the greedy agents game of financial chess.

It's about time things were changed.

Clubs shouldn't be handing over money to agents to 'get their client to agree to leave a club' or to 'get their client to sign for a club'.

Only clubs should be allowed to instigate moves and agents can only be paid by their client for work done in negotiating severance from a club, a new contract with an existing club or a contract with a club.

Agents setting up moves by hawking their client around clubs should be banned, whether it's with or without their clients prior knowledge or approval. If a player wishes to leave then he asks his club to find a buyer for him. There could also be an arbitration and decision making body for any issues arising. 
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 26, 2017, 12:42:38 AM »
Liverpool consider letting Divock Origi leave before deadline day

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/25/liverpool-consider-letting-divock-origi-leave-deadline-day/

Tottenham Hotspur may be attracted by Origi’s potential availability, having shown an interest in him in the past. Vincent Janssen is for sale and Spurs are looking to sign a forward to cover and play with Harry Kane.

Marseille have also shown an interest in Origi, while Anderlecht would be interested in taking him back to Belgium on loan.



We can't sell him to Spurs, and potentially help strengthen them. Marseille will barely offer us our money back, even in this inflated market.

If we sell it should be to someone like Monaco, who should be swimming in money, especially if the double deal of Mbappe and Fabinho goes through (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/psg-sign-kylian-mbappe-fabinho-11055826 and they'll be looking for a replacement.

Nevermind Southampton's scouting team, we should be hiring Monaco's considering the great purchases they've made in the last two or three seasons and how they've gone on to be such highly prized players.

Probably the best all round for both Origi and us is for him to go on loan to Anderlecht, and see if he can develop there.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 25, 2017, 05:53:30 PM »
So Dembele has now signed for Barca for an initial £97M + £38M in add ons.

So after one year at Dortmund his value has soared from circa £15M.

If that's the case, then Coutinho with top level experience in the PL, La Liga and Serie A, plus 28 caps and 7 goals for Brazil has to be worth, what? £125M, £150M? Basic, before add ons.

Barca has set the rules with their £200M buyout sale, paid in one installment this Summer. They need to be held to those same rules as a buyer.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 25, 2017, 01:47:16 PM »
from: Agent of Liverpool target confirms agreement with Juventus

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/agent-of-liverpool-target-confirms-agreement-with-juventus-51061


Howedes is expected to move to Juventus in a € 10 million deal.

€10M can't be right. If so, where are we? He was Matip's partner at Schalke for 6 seasons or so, and is more focused than Lovren, and stronger in the air too.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 25, 2017, 01:26:22 PM »
Jurgen Klopp says Philippe Coutinho remains on Liverpool’s injury list despite Brazil call-up

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/08/jurgen-klopp-says-philippe-coutinho-remains-liverpools-injury-list-despite-brazil-call/

Here's another chance for Bertolucci's mate, the Brazilian manager, Tite, to get in Coutinho's ear about pushing things even more to get to Barca.

Watch a statement come out in the media the minute he's away from the club with Brazil.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 25, 2017, 01:15:15 PM »
Looks like we're trying to get Renato Sanches on a season long loan from Bayern.

If he rediscovers his form it's a huge benefit to us and if he continues how he was last season, at least he doesn't become an expensive piece of deadwood.

It may well tide us over until we have another go for Keita next Summer, or could prove to be an alternative, as we're bound to have more competition for him than we had this Summer, with the buyout clause and a second good season under his belt, if he maintains last season's standards.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 25, 2017, 11:17:23 AM »
The other day we were starting to be linked with Howedes (finally  >:(), as an alternative to Van Dijk, however:

Liverpool handed transfer bow as Juventus agree deal to sign German defender

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/liverpool-handed-transfer-bow-as-juventus-agree-deal-to-sign-ger-67849

So why has it taken the entire window and all the time since the last window or the end of the season, to decide that we needed an alternative plan to just the one centre back option?
So having decided, why has it taken so long to actually move on the decision and make a bid, ie, actually do something?

It really does look as though Klopp had a minimal transfer budget without actually being able to clear out the likes of Sakho, Markovic and Moreno (as I'm sure that was originally his plan), and knowing that Barca were likely to come calling for Coutinho because of Iniesta's age etc, there had to be a choice made to either keep or cash in.

Without cashing in, and Klopp probably made it clear that wasn't his preferred option, there wasn't actually really the funds there to do the Van Dijk and Keita deals, as we seem to have sabotaged the first and taken an age to bid and in between bids, and then react to the non availability of the second.

Is it a case that FSG weren't prepared to actually release 'real funds' until CL group stage qualification was assured, and we knew they'd be European football, firstly CL, then possibly UEFA Cup if we fail at the first competition, and therefore a supposed need to strengthen and deepen the squad.

Even without European football of any kind, there was still the need to strengthen and upgrade to deal with the 3 competitions we'd be in, all of which give an opportunity of qualification for European football for the next season, and which should be the minimum aim every season anyway.

If the above is correct, it's a dangerous game to play waiting until 8 days before the window shuts to do most of your business, having 'waited to see'.
Even if that's the case, then surely you have to get all the options sorted, know the positions you want to strengthen and the players you want to target, as it has to be more than one option per position. Once that's sorted, get all the ground work done, so as soon as the final whistle went on Wednesday night, bids start going in for our targets. In fact all the sounding out of targets, all the potential fact finding of availability and likely costs could and should have been done prior to Wednesday, and interest registered with the relevant clubs, and even provisional agreements put in place.   

Our entire method of operating in the transfer market, both incoming and outgoing, has been totally confused, ill thought through, totally impractical, completely unrealistic and designed to do nothing but fail to achieve the required results, since FSG have been here. How much is down to them, how much to the managers involved and how much is down to the different incarnations of the transfer committee is impossible to know, but as FSG are the owners, and set down at least the broad outlines of the process, who and what it involves and how it will happen, then they are ultimately responsible.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Summer Transfer Window 2017
« Last post by Tes on August 25, 2017, 10:37:34 AM »
Looks like the club are going to receive yet another 'offer' from Barca for Coutinho.

If I were them I'd be making it crystal clear to both Barca and the parasites Coutinho has as 'agents', that here's the deal, and as the selling club we tell Barca the terms of sale, not Barca thinking they can tell us:

£150M, not €uros, don't bother bidding in €uros, that's not our currency. A minimum of £125M paid up front in one installment, and you get a 'one time' opportunity to do stupid add-ons, it's £5M a season for 5 years, each time Barca qualify for the CL.

If they then choose to put in an offer that doesn't comply, the price goes up by £10M after the first offer, £15M after the second and then the price is £200M, as a further £25M will be added to the price.

The add-ons part is only available for the first offer. If Barca try and offer anything but the asking price, which isn't going to lower or change in any way other than to increase, then the add-ons part will be dropped and the price becomes £160M, paid up front in one installment, just like PSG had to pay Barca for Neymar.

Any other offers that come in will be ignored and they get three chances, which if they're stupid enough not to take either of the first two chances the price becomes £200M. Three chances and no more. Three strikes and you're out.

Just as a player thinks he has the right to move to another club, and signs a contract to get security of income, then the club has an equal right to the security of having that player for the duration of the contract, and has the right to be able to bring in a proper level of compensation should the player wish to leave the club.
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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Champions League 2017/18
« Last post by Tes on August 24, 2017, 05:57:44 PM »
We've been drawn with Spartak Moscow, Sevilla and Maribor.

That's some traveling to do:

Moscow 2,018 miles

Seville 1,584 miles

Maribor (Slovenia) 1,183 miles
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