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Title: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: anfieldr0ad on January 06, 2011, 10:36:46 PM
When will John Henry come out and tell the fans one way or another what his plans are.. I'm getting sick of not hearing anythiing from him.. He needs to let the fans know if he's going to back Roy or sack him, If we have any money to spend or we dont!
He is starting to really p**s me off, I dont think he knows what kind of club he owns, If he aint willing to spend the money needed then he may as well sell up and go!
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 07, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Calm down, you'll give yourself a cardiac! I think you'll find Hodgson will go on Monday after the Utd game. Not much point getting rid yesterday or now with such an important game to come.

As for spending, no major signings have been made by PL sides yet with the exception of Man City so there's plenty of time. I have every faith in Mr Henry and so should you. As for selling up... silliest comment made so far this year!  ::)
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: PhilLFC on January 07, 2011, 10:45:06 AM
Its sad i think as i have nothing against Roy but i have always thought that he does not have the strategic mind like benitez did... he has to go and the question is who is the best man to replace him??? not king kenny i think as its been to long since he was in the game as manager... and if lfc go on and lose more games with kenny will every one treat kenny with the same contemp that they currently regard for rh
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 07, 2011, 02:20:24 PM
Phil,

I too don't like calling for the sacking of a respectable man like Roy Hodgson but sadly, there's only the one door for them to exit a club and it's not the one named Retirement. But football is a ruthless business and he has failed for the most part to elicit good performances from most of the players.

the more I think about Kenny the more convinced I am that he will do a decent job. remember that whilst he hasn't managed for a long time he has sat in the stands at Anfield and watched many games and will have a good understanding of where the problems lie and how to eradicate them.

He has an awful lot to lose in terms of respect if he messes up so he must be confident he can turn things around. We just need that cruise ship back in port asap.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: the dude abides on January 07, 2011, 02:34:18 PM
so kenny must be confident he can turn things around.

or after one last big pay day (to feather his pension pot).

he's not gonna pick up 70 or 80 grand a week, in any other line of work.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 07, 2011, 04:41:14 PM
or after one last big pay day (to feather his pension pot).

he's not gonna pick up 70 or 80 grand a week, in any other line of work.
Why so cynical dude? He's taking a big risk picking up this poisoned chalice. Would you sell your soul to the devil for cash? If the answer is yes I'll send you a copy of that Liz Hurley DVD!
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Jas_lfc on January 07, 2011, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: Boston Scouser
Every Sox fan was screaming absolute bloody murder about NESV a few weeks ago over their letting a couple of their free agents go elsewhere. It was tantamount to riots in the street and NESV said nothing. N.O.T.H.I.N.G

Forums and airwaves were full of nothing but angry complaints about how NESV were doing nothing, they needed to make moves but dithered too much and let the players go elsewhere, they didn't know what they were doing, and the fact that they were making no statements to the media proved all of those points.

3 days later. The Sox make one of the biggest free agent signings of the year for a player that suits their exact needs. 2 days after that - they make the next biggest free agent signing of the season for another player that should be lights out for them.

And not a single person in the media had a clue that it was going to happen.

NESV went from being incompetent, dithering and clueless to the biggest, shrewdest, canniest owners in baseball by splashing $300M on just 2 players in a matter of 4 days.

I'm not saying that this will be replicated here or that it would be soon, but they have a history of keeping very very quiet before making their big moves.


So I believe patience is the word.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: anfieldr0ad on January 07, 2011, 07:39:16 PM
Jas_lfc  Lets hope you're right, Us Liverpool fans deserve alittle something for we have had nothing good happen to us for so long, we deserve to be challenging for all the highest honours every season! YNWA!
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Juan on January 07, 2011, 10:20:44 PM

So I believe patience is the word.

Very much agreed, the piece from Boston Scouser says it all and to be honest further confirms for me why I think we have the right owners at the club.

They are the equivillant to the anti-hicks. They dont shoot their mouths off, their dont fight their wars in the media, they dont make us promises that they know they cant keep. For me the silence at the moment is golden. FSG know Roys not the man but they have shown patience and respect with the way they have dealt with Hodgson to date and to be honest it has been more in keeping with the Liverpool way of old than I have seen over the past 3 maybe 10 years. They will replace Hodgson when the time is right and realistically its going to be soon. Unfortunatley for the fans it means sucking it all up and wathcing Roy butcher the squad for another couple of games.

Ps I wouldnt be surprised of a win sunday. When the chips are down theres no easier place to go than Old Trafford in terms of the players getting motivated for the game. Play like we have away from home up to now and we will get murdered but I could see us winning. That wouldnt be down to Roy, but would just be a case of big players being motivated by big games.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 07, 2011, 11:04:08 PM
Ps I wouldnt be surprised of a win sunday. When the chips are down theres no easier place to go than Old Trafford in terms of the players getting motivated for the game.
Stranger things have happened Juan. I'm just looking at the 1-4 match back in 2009 and Utd had Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney. And we still managed to beat them. One Utd fan held up a banner with "Rafa's cracking up". Same might apply to Roy now. It should be required viewing for the team ahead of Sunday.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: the dude abides on January 07, 2011, 11:16:20 PM
Why so cynical dude? He's taking a big risk picking up this poisoned chalice. Would you sell your soul to the devil for cash? If the answer is yes I'll send you a copy of that Liz Hurley DVD!

liz hurley, yummi yummi!  :)

that's the thing tho, asi.......the football industry is full of people who sell their souls for cash.

the premiership is awash with money.....as a side note, I could not believe it, when I saw this week that veronin was on 90,000 per week at anfield!!!!!!  For goodness sake.

dalglish has never revitalised clubs - the two brief periods of success that he enjoyed, back in the late 80s and early 90s, were with two clubs who already had massive playing resources/success and/or massive money. 

he had no joy at newcastle or celtic......and has been out of management for a long long time.  Didn't he recommend barnes to celtic?  How ridiculous was that?  Didn't kenny walk out on liverpool, and then miracously recovered a few months later - in time to take a top-dollar post at blackburn.  And then kenny had the audacity, in his autobiography IIRC, to complain that liverpool never rang him, after his resignation (or else he would have returned to the post at anfield)

who else on planet earth would pay kenny 70 or 80,000 quid per week?   

and why would we employ him.  There is no logical football related reason, to employ him as boss. 

Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 07, 2011, 11:27:29 PM
Dude, The DVD is Bedazzled I think. Worth a look. Liz on top form. Now back to serious matters...

I'd argue that Newcastle and Celtic weren't close to Kenny's heart. Same can't be said of LFC. He left after the 4-4 draw against Everton when he was close to an emotional collapse. He'd attended so many funerals post Hillsborough which had drained him. No-one thought of the effect it had on him and the players when they were attending as many as 3 funerals a day. I don't hold any grudges for him leaving when he did.

I admit it is a risk if he returned. Let's face it. It's all speculation anyway. The owners may well surprise us with a signing we never even thought about. But Kenny has watched a lot of home games and I believe that gives him an advantage over someone who hasn't seen much of the play. It's not as though it's pre-season. We need to hit the ground running with games next week and then the derby in 9 days. Maybe Carragher can fill him in with player details if needed.

Maybe a CE will be announced first next week and he will have some input into the decision. Would make sense. That decision must be due soon. We are rudderless without a CE with US owners. That must be recitified soonest and the manager decision can then follow.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: thisisanfield on January 08, 2011, 05:56:15 PM
The fans made their noise, NESV stayed silent, Roy did the talking, Kenny wins.
Well done John Henry as Boston Scouse explained they let their actions do the talking. Let's continue to show patience with the new owners, it's going to take time to get the club turned around.
In my opinion, Silence is Golden.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: the dude abides on January 08, 2011, 06:12:19 PM
Dude, The DVD is Bedazzled I think. Worth a look. Liz on top form. Now back to serious matters...

I'd argue that Newcastle and Celtic weren't close to Kenny's heart. Same can't be said of LFC. He left after the 4-4 draw against Everton when he was close to an emotional collapse. He'd attended so many funerals post Hillsborough which had drained him. No-one thought of the effect it had on him and the players when they were attending as many as 3 funerals a day. I don't hold any grudges for him leaving when he did.

I admit it is a risk if he returned. Let's face it. It's all speculation anyway. The owners may well surprise us with a signing we never even thought about. But Kenny has watched a lot of home games and I believe that gives him an advantage over someone who hasn't seen much of the play. It's not as though it's pre-season. We need to hit the ground running with games next week and then the derby in 9 days. Maybe Carragher can fill him in with player details if needed.

Maybe a CE will be announced first next week and he will have some input into the decision. Would make sense. That decision must be due soon. We are rudderless without a CE with US owners. That must be recitified soonest and the manager decision can then follow.

thanks ASI, I must look out Bedazzled.  I have seen a few mins of it, years ago......IIRC she is the devil, dressed all in red.  Liz (in real life) is a classy bit of crumpet.  Very sexy.

I agree, we are rudderless without a CE.  Indeed, i am surprised that we have not got one in place by now.

Kenny's appointment today was not a major surprise.  The fans put the club's owners into a position, where they had no choice. 

It will be interesting to see what happens re both, what budget the owners give Kenny in January (admittedly Collini will have a large say in transfers); and any new CE appointment in the next few months. 

If Kenny is an outstanding success, over the next 4 months, it will be nigh impossible to sack him.  Tho what constitutes *success*, in the minds of kenny, the fans and the owners, is an entirely different matter.  Finishing mid-table may be seen by a few, including kenny, as success (steadying of the ship, sotospeak).

Kenny should always have a role at the club.   But I just hope that come May time, he is able to step aside, and not fall out with the club. 
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2011, 06:17:38 PM
The real question is can Liz Hurley play left back?
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Redman on January 08, 2011, 06:43:54 PM
Dude, The DVD is Bedazzled I think. Worth a look. Liz on top

The only thing she'd look good on top of would be my dick :P

Onto football matters, was chatting with a m8 in the pub today and he has it on good authority that Martin O'Neil has been approached to take over in the summer. Well until then we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
The only thing she'd look good on top of would be my dick :P

Onto football matters, was chatting with a m8 in the pub today and he has it on good authority that Martin O'Neil has been approached to take over in the summer. Well until then we'll just have to wait and see.

I hope your mu eight is way off beam on this one.
Title: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Gurdeep on January 08, 2011, 07:25:26 PM
O'Neil is not the appointment to take us forward imho. 
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 08, 2011, 07:28:09 PM
Onto football matters, was chatting with a m8 in the pub today and he has it on good authority that Martin O'Neil has been approached to take over in the summer. Well until then we'll just have to wait and see.

Oh dear. What's the source for your mate's sensational scoop. He doesn't fit any of the criteria the owners have laid down.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2011, 09:03:39 PM
Goal.com are already spouting their usual brand of 'news' claiming Owen Coyle is favourite.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: the dude abides on January 08, 2011, 09:07:10 PM
Onto football matters, was chatting with a m8 in the pub today and he has it on good authority that Martin O'Neil has been approached to take over in the summer. Well until then we'll just have to wait and see.

that would be awesome, redman.

martin o'neill has been my first choice for over a decade.  But I gave up mentioning him, because it seemed liverpool had no interest in him.

martin always excels, no matter where he goes.

Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: anfieldr0ad on January 08, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
that would be awesome, redman.

martin o'neill has been my first choice for over a decade.  But I gave up mentioning him, because it seemed liverpool had no interest in him.

martin always excels, no matter where he goes.

He plays boring football and what has he ever won apart from 2 Scottish league titles with Celtic? He Is'nt the man to turn Liverpool around.. the more I think about it, Kenny Dalglish should get the job full time not just untill the end of the season, well lets see how the next few months go, but i dont think O'Neil or Coyle will do whats needed here!
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Juan on January 08, 2011, 09:34:41 PM
I agree with most on O'Neil, hes not the man to transform Liverpool. He deserves a shot at a big club but I hope its not Liverpool.

This is LFC, theres no reason we shouldnt be able to attract a manager who can make us competitive whilst also adopting a decent style of football. O'Neil doesnt play good football.
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: the dude abides on January 08, 2011, 09:55:29 PM
He plays boring football and what has he ever won apart from 2 Scottish league titles with Celtic? He Is'nt the man to turn Liverpool around

do you follow football at all?

here's a recap.

from wikipedia:

Wycombe Wanderers
Martin O'Neill became manager at Wycombe at the beginning of the 1990–91 season. In the following season he led Wycombe to 2nd place in the Conference, losing out to Colchester United only on goal difference. The following season, he took Wycombe into the Football League for the very first time. In the 1993–94 season, he took Wycombe to a second successive promotion via the Division 3 playoffs and a 4–2 win over Preston North End took them up into Division 2.[4] He left the club in 1995 to become manager at Norwich City.

Leicester City
He joined Leicester City immediately after leaving Norwich. They won the Football League Cup under O'Neill in 1997 and 2000, as well as reaching the 1999 final of the competition. They finished ninth in 1997, tenth in 1998 and 1999, and eighth in 2000. The two League Cup triumphs saw them qualify for the UEFA Cup each time.

During his time at Leicester, O'Neill held talks to become manager of Leeds United but declined the job after thousands of supporters held up placards saying "Don't go Martin!" in an effort to make him stay.

Celtic
O'Neill left Leicester on 1 June 2000, taking over from the team of John Barnes and Kenny Dalglish to become manager of Celtic. O'Neill's first Old Firm game ended in a 6–2 victory for Celtic over Rangers. The following Old Firm game at Ibrox saw Celtic fall 5-1. In that first season O'Neill's Celtic won the domestic treble, the first time the club had done so since 1969. He was the first Celtic manager to take the team into the revamped Champions League (a feat he managed three times). He guided Celtic to the 2003 UEFA Cup Final in Seville, which Celtic lost 3–2 in extra time, to a Porto side coached by José Mourinho. In his five seasons at Celtic Park, O'Neill won three League titles, three Scottish Cups, and a League Cup. He also oversaw a record 7 consecutive victories in Old Firm derbies, and in season 2003–04 Celtic created a British record of 25 consecutive victories.[citation needed] During this time, O'Neill's name was linked with a number of high-profile jobs in England.[citation needed]

On 25 May 2005, Celtic announced that O'Neill was resigning as manager at the end of the 2004/05 season to care for his wife Geraldine, who had lymphoma.

O'Neill's last competitive game in charge of Celtic was the Scottish Cup final 1–0 victory over Dundee United on 28 May 2005, decided by an eleventh minute goal by Alan Thompson. Celtic's record under O'Neill, was winning 213, drawing 29 and losing 40, of 282 games played.

Aston Villa

O'Neill was introduced as the Aston Villa manager at a press conference on 4 August 2006. At the press conference he stated "It's absolutely fantastic to be back and with a club such as this. This is a fantastic challenge. I am well aware of the history of this football club. Trying to restore it to its days of former glory seems a long way away – but why not try? It is nearly 25 years since they won the European Cup but that is the dream."[citation needed]

Villa had the longest unbeaten start of any Premier League side in 2006–07 (9 games), not losing a league game until 28 October. Villa suffered a mid-season slump but recovered late in the season, winning their three away games in April, to end the season how it began with a run of 9 unbeaten fixtures. For this O'Neill scooped the Barclays Manager of the Month for April.[citation needed] Villa's final points tally was 50, an improvement of 8 over the previous season and finished 11th, 5 places higher than the previous season.[citation needed]

Aston Villa's owner Randy Lerner said that he would not stop O'Neill from leaving Villa if offered the job of England manager,[7] because he respects that it is a very prestigious position.[7] O'Neill later dismissed the reports, calling them "unfair speculation".[8]

Aston Villa just missed out on a UEFA Cup spot on the final day of the 2007–08 season and qualified for the Intertoto Cup by finishing 6th. They scored 71 goals, (their best ever tally in the Premier League and best tally since winning the title in 1981), gained 60 points which was Villa's highest points tally since the 1996–97 season, and were the 3rd highest goalscorers.[citation needed] After 25 games of the 2008–09 season the club were third in the table on 51 points, 2 points above Chelsea on level games and 7 points above Arsenal in 5th place and on course for a place in the Champions League for the first time since 1983. O'Neill then decided to prioritise Champions League qualification above all else, fielding a virtual reserve side for a UEFA Cup game against CSKA Moscow which was subsequently lost.[9] Following this, Villa failed to win any of the next 10 league games and improving form for Arsenal & Chelsea meant that Villa failed to reach the top 4. Villa eventually finished 6th for the second season running with 62 points, 2 more points than they finished with last season.

At the start of the 2009–10 season Villa failed to qualify for the group stage of the newly named Europa League, but continued their progress in the league with impressive wins against teams such as Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool.[citation needed] Villa were on the way to reaching an achievement that had long since not been reached, which was to beat all "top 4" clubs, consisting of Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea. Arsenal defeated Villa 3–0 at Emirates Stadium, and drew home, destroying any hopes Villa had of reaching this achievement.[citation needed]

Once again Villa finished 6th for the 3rd season running, and once again improved their points tally finishing with 64 points; their poor home form (they drew 8 times at home) denied them a chance to qualify for the UEFA Champions League.

Aston Villa reached their first final under Martin O'Neill, and first final in 10 years on 28 February 2010 against Manchester United in the Carling Cup, but lost 2–1.[citation needed]

Following the departure of Rafael Benitez from Liverpool in June 2010, Martin O'Neill was thought to be one of the main candidates for the manager's job at Anfield,[10] Former Fulham boss Roy Hodgson was appointed as Benitez's successor.[11]

On 9 August 2010, Martin O'Neill resigned as manager of Aston Villa with immediate effect.[12] On his departure O'Neill said "I have enjoyed my time at Aston Villa immensely, It's obviously a wrench to be leaving such a magnificent club."[13] O'Neill was reportedly unhappy about the funds available for transfers,[14] but his departure just five days before the start of the new season still came as a shock to the club and its players.[14] Lerner issued a statement two days later saying he and O'Neill "no longer shared a common view as to how to move forward."

so what exactly is it again, that you were on about?

martin o'neill has been a glowing success, and over-performed, at every job he has been in.

european final, fa cup, league cup finals, with lowly clubs like leicester city and celtic.

and three consecutibve 6th placed premiership finishes with villa.

what exactly is it about being successful that you don't like? 

I guess you'd prefer owen coyle or some new bloke who's won a dozen consecutive games in Azherbijan ligo uno. 
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: the dude abides on January 08, 2011, 11:14:03 PM
you gotta cool down, chav.

jeremy kyle will be back on in a minute.   :D
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: anfieldr0ad on January 08, 2011, 11:23:19 PM
you gotta cool down, chav.

jeremy kyle will be back on in a minute.   :D

Yeh Guess you watch that kind of shine-a-light in your armchair along with the Liverpool games!
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: anfieldr0ad on January 09, 2011, 01:18:34 AM
you gotta cool down, chav.

jeremy kyle will be back on in a minute.   :D

Did you report my comment because its true!?
You're a joke!
Title: Re: The Silence is Deafening
Post by: Tes on January 09, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
O'Neill deserves the Old Trafford job.