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Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 08, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
Now thats the january transfer window is over I suppose its only a matter of time before we are being linked with players for summer 2011.

I will kick off with rumours of a player potentially looking to leave, Pepe Reina. This rumour seems to just keep cropping up, I dont necessarily believe it  and I have always been confident Reina would stay. But with the Spanish influence at the club dwindling and with Torres unexpected transfer to Chelsea for once I'm not sure how to read Reinas link to United.

Reinas one of my favourite players and I'd like to think that he can see whats being built at the club. But if he is going to start going down the Torres route and threatening to leave and flirting with rivals well then I think he too will quickly learn that no one is bigger than the club.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/877645/liverpool-goalkeeper-pepe-reina-coy-on-possible-man-utd-move?cc=5739
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on February 08, 2011, 11:58:38 AM
A couple of weeks ago i'd never think i would see us sell our star striker to a league rival...still can't see selling Reina to manure though...that really is a bridge to far...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 08, 2011, 12:42:31 PM
I have said it for some time - that I would not be surprised to see Reina leave in the summer.

What does surprise me however, is how they flagrantly disregard the notion that you do not join your club's key rivals. 

The way that people like Tevez and Torres (among others) abuse this principle, is galling.  They are true and simply, football mercenaries.  They go where there is rich pickings and glory to be had.

I would be aghast if Reina were to join United.

If this is what Spanish and South American footballers are all about, then we will have to look again at our recruitment policy.





Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 08, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
Nothing would surprise me anymore but I think if Reina is trying to engineer a move Liverpool need to take a stand.

Firstly they would have to make him hand in a transfer request although the way Torres didnt think twice about doing that I'm not sure Reina would either.

Secondly I would grant him a transfer but tell him under no uncertain terms it would be to a premier league rival. United would never let one of their top players sign for us, Heinze wasnt even one of their top players and they refused point blank to do business. We cant look like we are becoming a selling club or willing to strengthen a rival.

Hopefully this is tabloid fiction and I think whether Reina denies the story or not will tell alot.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 08, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Unlike outfield players, keepers have a longer shelf life so hopefully he won't be in a rush. Give us a couple more years and then go. Also if we carry on playing the way we are and beating the top teams he would find it very hard to justify leaving. Especially if we are going to sign quality in the summer. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 08, 2011, 01:44:58 PM
Unlike outfield players, keepers have a longer shelf life so hopefully he won't be in a rush. Give us a couple more years and then go. Also if we carry on playing the way we are and beating the top teams he would find it very hard to justify leaving. Especially if we are going to sign quality in the summer.

If his comments prove to be true hes not doing himself any favours.

In his defence I'd say it cant be easy for him to see his Spanish compatriot and friend in Torres leave. Then going on international duty cant help the situation either. He probably has Torres in his ear telling him to leave along with Villa and co so its probably an unsettling time for him at the club. I know being paid the money they get paid things like that souldnt be a factor but I still think they are.

Hopefully as you say Kopite we continue in the same vein of form and Reina realises his future should be to remain here. How good would it be if Reina ended up with PL or CL medals playing for us and Torres never got to win one.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 08, 2011, 02:27:46 PM
But it's well known he's got a buy out clause probably around the 20 mill mark. So if any one triggers that we won't have a choice
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on February 08, 2011, 03:02:19 PM
Reina should be careful what he wishes for...another player who wanted a similar move said this today...

"Because of its history, Liverpool is a bigger club (than Chelsea) but it's going through a difficult time." A quote from Fernando Torres, today, February 8:

Maybe he's angling for a way back already!
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 08, 2011, 08:11:32 PM
He's back tracking a bit. I don't think he realised the back lash he would get. Alonso moved on and is still loved at anfield and I think he thought he'd be the same. No chance now nando, you've made your inflatable PLASTIC bed, now lie in it.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 08, 2011, 09:06:44 PM
He's back tracking a bit. I don't think he realised the back lash he would get. Alonso moved on and is still loved at anfield and I think he thought he'd be the same. No chance now nando, you've made your inflatable PLASTIC bed, now lie in it.

exactly.

I have no problem with a departure being done the right way.

But Torres showed zero respect for the club.  He left mid-season, he left for one of our key premiership rivals.....and on top of that, his lack of professionalism in the past 18 months was scandalous.

A lack of class.  I think Chelsea will find themselves with another ego to deal with now.

They are welcome to him.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 08, 2011, 09:39:17 PM
But it's well known he's got a buy out clause probably around the 20 mill mark. So if any one triggers that we won't have a choice

When was this new contract signed? It wasn't in the six year deal he signed and he would have to signed a revised contract.

According to Tony Barrett.......................?
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 08, 2011, 09:47:36 PM
I think it was added in the summer to keep him happy. Yeah Tony Barretts convinced that he's got one in his contract. He's spot on normally
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2011, 01:12:38 AM
So it's still the rumour that Purslow sorted this with both Pepe and 'the departed one'?

Seems strange he'd sign a 6 year deal just the Summer before, under the same circumstances (except we weren't 'officially' for sale) and then want a buyout clause inserted (if possible) latterly.

 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2011, 02:27:54 PM
We're being linked with Bobby Mimms from Blackburn as a replacement goalkeeping coach for Mike Kelly.

Xavi Valero apparently left Inter when Rafa did. Maybe it would be an idea to get him back. Reina apparently was happy with him and even 'the departed one' praised him for his work with the strikers, talking to them about a goal keeper's perspective in order to help him improve his finishing.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 09, 2011, 02:39:38 PM
I think kenny is going British by the looks of it so that would rule him out. It might be good to appease reina but I imagine he'll be waiting for benitez's next job
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 09, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
we've never really replaced joe corrigan.

 :-X

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2011, 04:58:21 PM
we've never really replaced joe corrigan.

 :-X

True. The amount of food that is wasted in the canteen now is truly shocking.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 09, 2011, 05:01:07 PM
True. The amount of food that is wasted in the canteen now is truly shocking.

Stop, you have me lauging to myself like a maniac.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 09, 2011, 05:07:34 PM
Does anyone have any opinions as to where Charlie Adam will end up and for how much?

Also now that we seem to have the forwards sorted what other positions need addressing?

Left wing, right wing, central defence potentially x 2 and a left back. What do we do if Geln Johnson keeps up this form at left back? It would be interesting to know if he would be willing to stay there or whther he just feels as its a temporary role. He aint getting the right back slot. Hopefully we wont need a keeper.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2011, 07:07:29 PM
I think we'll have another go in the Summer. He'll only have a year left on his contract and Blackpool will know their situation by then.

The centre half situation definately needs sorting and despite Johnson's recent form, I can't see him being a long term solution and neither will he want to risk his England place.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 09, 2011, 07:09:44 PM
I think we'll have another go in the Summer. He'll only have a year left on his contract and Blackpool will know their situation by then.

The centre half situation definately needs sorting and despite Johnson's recent form, I can't see him being a long term solution and neither will he want to risk his England place.

i'd give johnston a go on the right side of midfield....and if that does not work out, ship him out.

I just don't rate him.  His final product is never good enough.

Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 09, 2011, 07:24:13 PM
I've thought Johnson has looked good on the left. The new formation has helped because he hasn't had to do so much defending!!!

With regards to Adam there'll be a lot of interest in the summer. A move to us would mean he wouldnt have to move far. But I think if kenny sticks to this new formation he'd fit in perfect. With 3 centre backs there's no real need for a mascherano type
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 09, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
Think Johnson could be a cracking right winger. So many people have said the same thing I would think kenny would have thought about it. Him and Kelly inter changing down the right could be lethal. Maybe kenny will try it next season if we can find a left back. I like aurelio when he's fit but he's only able to play a handful of games a season
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 10, 2011, 11:21:24 AM
Think Johnson could be a cracking right winger. So many people have said the same thing I would think kenny would have thought about it. Him and Kelly inter changing down the right could be lethal. Maybe kenny will try it next season if we can find a left back. I like aurelio when he's fit but he's only able to play a handful of games a season

It's a shame Aurelio's made of tissue paper because he's definately good enough. Making left back a priority could also save us having to buy a wide right player, at least until we see if Glenn Johnson can provide a solution there.

Mavinga should then also be back off loan for next season and used as cover and Jack Robinson will also be a year older.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 10, 2011, 11:30:56 AM
Talking of Glenn Johnson:


Liverpool FC’s Glen Johnson happy to continue in left-back role


by David Prentice  Feb 10 2011



GLEN JOHNSON says he is happy to carry on playing left-back as long as Kenny Dalglish needs him to.

An England international right-back, Johnson cost £16m when he was recruited from Chelsea in a bid to increase Liverpool’s penetration down the right flank.

But after missing Kenny Dalglish’s return match as Liverpool manager at Old Trafford to be at the birth of his son, he made a surprise switch to left-back and has stayed there ever since.

“There were no real discussions about it. Kenny said I was playing left-back and that was just fine with me,” explained Johnson.

“The team isn’t about me so if I’m asked to do a job elsewhere, whether it be in the short or long-term, I’m happy to give it my best.


“Everyone knows I’m a right-back by trade, but if the team is winning and I’m in the team it doesn’t bother me where I play.”

Johnson says he is happy to play anywhere – even in a more advanced right midfield role.

He added: “Like with left-back, if the manager asked me to play there, I’d do it, no question – without any complaints.

“I played in a more advanced role quite a few times at Chelsea. I remember when we beat Manchester United at Old Trafford to practically clinch the title and I enjoyed it out there (as a right midfielder).

“I think all of the Liverpool squad has the same attitude now – do your best at whatever you’re asked to do. It’s not about individuals here.”


While Johnson has been operating effectively at left-back, Martin Kelly has stepped into Johnson’s old right back role and been enormously impressive.

“Since coming in against Manchester United, he (Kelly) has been very consistent in everything he has done and acted very maturely about the place,” Johnson added.

“He deserves to be where he is at the moment and it can only be for the good of the club if it is producing its own again.

“Fans like to see local boys come through and when they do, it gives everyone a lift.”



http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/02/10/liverpool-fc-s-glen-johnson-happy-to-continue-in-left-back-role-92534-28146324/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/02/10/liverpool-fc-s-glen-johnson-happy-to-continue-in-left-back-role-92534-28146324/)

His whole attitude seems to have changed which is nice to see.

Good to see him get an assist last night.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 10, 2011, 11:53:36 AM
Liverpool sizing up England starlets


Published 23:00 09/02/11 By Alan Nixon - EXCLUSIVE  ::)



Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish made a secret dash to watch young England stars Connor Wickham and Wilfried Zaha as he plans for the Reds' future.

Dalglish was the biggest VIP in the small crowd at Chesterfield when the pair formed the attack for England Under-19s against their German counterparts as he updated his files on the youngsters.

The Kop chief's clear interest in making long-term signings adds weight to the rumblings that Liverpool's owners are ready to turn Dalglish's current caretaker role into a full-time return to the dugout.

Ipswich starlet Wickham scored a stunning goal against Sheffield United last weekend and Dalglish wanted to see how he shaped up in his own age group.


Crystal Palace kid Zaha has also been on Liverpool’s radar for months but has been in and out of the Championship side's first XI in his debut season.

Neither Wickham and Zaha managed to score against Germany, but Dalglish is on their trail as he looks for players to understudy his new £57million attack of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez.

Meanwhile, Liverpool have made clear they will only be prepared to do business over keeper Pepe Reina when offers trigger the £20million release clause in his contract.

After the departure of his close friend and fellow countryman Fernando Torres, Spanish international Reina has been strongly linked with both Manchester United and Arsenal in potential summer deals.

Just like with Torres, Liverpool will slap a not-for-sale sign on the player despite knowing there is a point at which they must allow him to speak to other clubs.

Reina signed a new five-year contract less than a year ago, but insisted that a release clause be inserted in the agreement.

Liverpool are happy with their keeper, and happy with his commitment to the team, despite what has seemed like almost constant speculation over his future since the summer.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-transfer-news-Dalglish-watches-Ipswichs-Connor-Wickham-and-Palaces-Wilfried-Zaha-on-England-U19-duty-article694265.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-transfer-news-Dalglish-watches-Ipswichs-Connor-Wickham-and-Palaces-Wilfried-Zaha-on-England-U19-duty-article694265.html)

Equally he could have been watching the Liverpool players that were playing for the U-19s.

As for Pepe, it's Alan Nixon.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 13, 2011, 10:34:23 PM
Which player(s) would everyone like to see us try and get in the summer?

Personally I'd like us to rekindle our interest in Adam and Ashley Young. Adam for his range of passing and young for his pace and crossing ability for Carroll.  They'd both be reasonably priced and could add a different dimension to the team.

We're desperate for a left back, but no one springs to mind.

N'zogbia's probably available in the summer but I suppose it all depends on what formation kenny wants to play. 

I've seen a few rumours m'vila the French lad could be an option we're looking at.  Saw him against brazil and he looks like a good prospect

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 14, 2011, 01:01:36 AM
methinks that during Kenny's time at Newcastle, he caught Keegan-it-is.

he may well buy Ashley Young and Adams, in the summer (purchases that I would support).

and we may well end up playing 3-2-5 next season.

defenders, who needs them.......defence was always overrated anyroads.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 15, 2011, 08:44:53 PM
Lol Dude you reckon Kenny is looking to play total football. If we could sign another 3 top strikers in the summer we'll have defences worried. I can see next season PL table now, Goals Socred 342, Goals Conceded 298.

I would like to see a a mix of creativity and solidity in the summer transfers. On the solidity  side I think we need another top centre back and maybe someone to protect the back 4 ( preferably someone who can play a bit aswell).

On the creative side we need a left and possibly right winger (if Johnson isnt going to be played out there). 

Adam and Young would definitely be a very good start.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 15, 2011, 08:46:25 PM
Any truth in the rumours we've tied up the bosman signing of Sylvian Marveaux?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 16, 2011, 01:48:57 AM
Any truth in the rumours we've tied up the bosman signing of Sylvian Marveaux?

It seems to be appearing in too many places not to be true, Juan.

Left back is obviously the priority, so I think is a centre half. I keep saying this every Summer, but we need a top class, first choice centre half, and then let Agger (when fit to) and Carra compete to partner the new centre half. Let Skrtel and the Greek go and whoever is the most ready out of Wilson and Ayala get the fourth spot, with the other going out on loan.

Who for the left back spot is a tough one. There's a real dirth of quality left backs, nevermind available, quality left backs throughout world football.

Cissokh at Lyon is quality but would really cost. Taiwo at Marseille is highly rated but can't say I can remember seeing him play much. Jose Enrique at Newcastle is one we've been linked with and again appears highly rated. Like Taiwo, he's out of contract in the Summer. Both have turned down contract offers and negotiations at their current clubs.

We could do with a left footed Arbeloa.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 16, 2011, 07:09:13 PM
How under rated was arbeloa? He could play anywhere across the back four and do a job.

Is Enrique out of contract in the summer? That would be a good signing if he was.

I definately think zorba the Greek will be off. He's done well for us considering the fee. But if we want to move up a level we need to find another Sammy hypia.



Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 16, 2011, 09:07:08 PM
I've got a cunning plan baldrick for the summer. Sign up the whole barca team!!!
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 16, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
Spoke to soon!!!!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2011, 12:14:04 AM
How under rated was arbeloa?

Totally agree Kopite. A top class player, who's doing very well for Real this season. We definately need to find ourselves a left footed version and Comolli won't find everything we're looking for just in France.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 17, 2011, 10:40:57 AM
I'd go out and get a top class left back. Sell konchesky and bring warnock in aswell for competition.


On getting a centre back we've been linked with Gary Cahill quite a bit. I've never really rated him as much as some do but he's English and must be doing something right because he's always linked with the mancs and arsenal.

If we can get Adam in get rid of poulson.

With marveaux looking likely to sign I'd get rid of maxi mainly because of his wages. And same for jovanovic. If we can get young in to replace the Serb I don't think we'll be a bad team next year
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
I'd go out and get a top class left back. Sell konchesky and bring warnock in aswell for competition.


On getting a centre back we've been linked with Gary Cahill quite a bit. I've never really rated him as much as some do but he's English and must be doing something right because he's always linked with the mancs and arsenal.

If we can get Adam in get rid of poulson.

With marveaux looking likely to sign I'd get rid of maxi mainly because of his wages. And same for jovanovic. If we can get young in to replace the Serb I don't think we'll be a bad team next year

Cahill's an odd case isn't it. Villa (O'Neill) let him go for £5M in Jan 2008 but within 18 months he was being valued in the £10M-£15M bracket. I can't why Villa let him go unless for some reason O'Neill didn't rate him. Seems like a bad decision.

I've never been totally convinced by him and feel he attracts a premium English premium where his value is concerned probably due to a lack of top quality English alternatives.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on February 17, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
We're being linked with a £10million bid for nico krancjaer of spurs. I remember saying when he was available at Pompey for a couple of mill he might be worth a punt. But 10 million, no way!

Gervinho who's in France somewhere, seems to be linked with us a lot at the moment. Has anyone seen much of him?

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on February 17, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
10 mil is an 'arry wheel and deal...Krancjar nearly walked for 2 mil less than 3 weeks ago after not being used by spurs...he gets two goals in 2 games and suddenly he's worth 10 mil??
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
Technically very good, but doesn't put in a high enough level of performances on a consistant basis. I doubt we'd consider it at £10M.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 18, 2011, 12:18:04 AM
Krancjaer is one of those players you buy when you are trying to reach the next level but when you get there he becomes a squad player or surplus to requirements.

Cant see us going for him, we have enough squad players of our own that we need to get rid of, i wouldnt see the point in bringing in someone else.

From here on in we only need to be signing players that improve the team.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 18, 2011, 06:45:20 PM
Krancjaer is one of those players you buy when you are trying to reach the next level but when you get there he becomes a squad player or surplus to requirements.

Cant see us going for him, we have enough squad players of our own that we need to get rid of, i wouldnt see the point in bringing in someone else.

From here on in we only need to be signing players that improve the team.

Exactly, just a short term, marginal improvement that wouldn't take us very far forward.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 18, 2011, 10:27:31 PM
harry's a good judge of a player.

if he is letting krancar go, then i would be dubious of buying him.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 18, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
harry's a good judge of a player.

if he is letting krancar go, then i would be dubious of buying him.

Bale's kept him out all season but as 'Arry obviously prefers Bale I guess we can judge Krancar against that standard.

Totally agree Dude. 'Arry tends to be a decent judge of a player and of how to get the best out of them.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on February 18, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
agreed, Tes.

if only we had the money, and intelligence, to buy Bales before Harry was employed at Spurs. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 19, 2011, 12:44:13 AM
Bales story could have been very different. With his disastrous spell at left back at times keeping him out of the team had he not been pushed into left midfield who knows where he would have ended up and what would have happened him. Spurs may have decided to cut thier losses and he may have gone on to play at left back for club afer club.

His story could have mirrored Johnsons. Thats why i'm surprised we have never seen Johnson given a chance on the wing.

But as you guys say Harrys a good judge of character and Bale was pushed into midfield. Although there is grounds to dispute that, did he not pay 14 or 15 million to take Robbie Keane back to White Hart Lane. We may have had to cut our losses but Parry and Benitez must have been laughing all the way to the bank.

But in all seriousness you just have to look at what he did and who he brought in to Portsmouth to see that Harry is a shrewd man. If hes flogging Krancjaer I really hope its not to us
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 19, 2011, 10:04:23 PM
Juan, I think the one weakness 'Arry has is that he has his favourites and these all tend to be forward players.

Taking Keane back was an odd one and the only people who would have benefit financially would be Keane and his agent.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 20, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
One report here linking Wolfsburg with a 5 million move for Skrtel. 7 million and I'd take it.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/177687/Germans-like-a-bit-of-Skrtel-/
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 20, 2011, 11:13:58 AM
It also seems Comolli was watching Conor Wickham of Ipswich. I'm not sure what kind of money you would be looking at for a player like Wickham but if Walcott and Bales fees are anything to go by and the apparent talent of this guy it would in the region of 10 million at least I suppose.

I have a problem paying that kind of money for players that arent tried and tested in the PL but we also need to start competing for top level young talent.  I guess I'd prefer the club to be paying 10 million on a young player with big potential talent than using the money to buy two has beens like Poulsen and Konchesky.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=17946
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 20, 2011, 08:57:29 PM
One report here linking Wolfsburg with a 5 million move for Skrtel. 7 million and I'd take it.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/177687/Germans-like-a-bit-of-Skrtel-/

Agreed, Juan. For me Skrtel has kicked on and developed.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 20, 2011, 09:00:04 PM
It also seems Comolli was watching Conor Wickham of Ipswich. I'm not sure what kind of money you would be looking at for a player like Wickham but if Walcott and Bales fees are anything to go by and the apparent talent of this guy it would in the region of 10 million at least I suppose.

I have a problem paying that kind of money for players that arent tried and tested in the PL but we also need to start competing for top level young talent.  I guess I'd prefer the club to be paying 10 million on a young player with big potential talent than using the money to buy two has beens like Poulsen and Konchesky.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/news.php?storyid=17946

I'm not sure that Wickham is quite the 'prodigy' that Walcott or Bale were. I just have a bad feeling about paying £10M and then finding he was a early developer who doesn't push on a flourish.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on February 25, 2011, 10:34:31 PM
Tes,

Your signature is way out of date. Get your thinking cap on an entertain us with something new!  ;D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 26, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
Tes,

Your signature is way out of date. Get your thinking cap on an entertain us with something new!  ;D

I hadn't noticed that, thanks ASI. The first part is thanks to Juan. It still makes me laugh everytime I think of it.

I'm running short of ammunition now that the worst of the storm seems to have past.

I shall have to think of something else though I agree.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on February 27, 2011, 08:41:54 AM
Tes, you passed with flying colours! That brought a smile to my mush!  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on February 27, 2011, 09:00:29 PM
Tes, you passed with flying colours! That brought a smile to my mush!  :D

We all need a sense of humour after our setback today, but there's no better chance to pick ourselves up in the next game. It's why we all love football so much.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on February 28, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
I hadn't noticed that, thanks ASI. The first part is thanks to Juan. It still makes me laugh everytime I think of it.

Lol Tes if only I had meant that to be humorous at the time. Thankfully I finally got my wish.

As for your new signature its as funny for all of its own reasons. Its very satisfying to see Mascherano eat his words and warm the Barca bench. While Guardiola is in charge Mascherano will never be a mainstay in that team. He doesnt offer enough going forward and there are too many young players there capable of ensuring he reamins on the bench. No doubt he will still treat Barcas impending title win as if he played an integral part but deep down he knows his contribution was worth nothing.

I struggle to think of any player that has left Liverpool and gone on to better things. Mcmanaman is the only one who comes to mind in the last 15 years. Owen, Mascherano, Alonso have yet to do any better. Even Torres move to Chelsea looks far shakier now than it might have when he signed on the dotted line. I still think he will regret leaving and that his stay at Chelsea may not go beyond summer 2012. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on March 04, 2011, 05:40:00 AM
We've been linked recently with Michel Bastos of Lyon and Brazil...plays left back for Brazil and left wing for Lyon...27 years old so the 17 mil asking price means little in the way of a selling on fee...but he's an excellent passer of the ball and shoots at goal (scored 14 in a year and a half)...
There's also been a mystery bid for Alexis Sanchez of Udinese...can play as a right winger and an attacking midfielder...
I like the versatility of both players and would really increase the pass and move...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 04, 2011, 11:42:04 PM
We've been linked recently with Michel Bastos of Lyon and Brazil...plays left back for Brazil and left wing for Lyon...27 years old so the 17 mil asking price means little in the way of a selling on fee...but he's an excellent passer of the ball and shoots at goal (scored 14 in a year and a half)...
There's also been a mystery bid for Alexis Sanchez of Udinese...can play as a right winger and an attacking midfielder...
I like the versatility of both players and would really increase the pass and move...

I think the mystery bidder is/was Chelsea, who've been very heavily linked for a while.

Bastos is class, but pricey.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 04, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
Report: Italy Left Back Domenico Criscito 'on His Way to Liverpool'

by Nick Coman on Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:03PM   



The "Which left back will be linked to Anfield today?" game continued on Friday, as 24-year-old Italy international Domenico Criscito has now been tipped for a move to Anfield.

According to the Guardian, the Genoa left back "is on his way to Liverpool," though the report appears to be no more substantial than a rumor.

While Criscito may not be as highly-touted a prospect as Benfica's Fabio Coentrao, he is a bigger name than Sweden international Oscar Wendt, Emilio Izaguirre and Jose Enrique, all of whom have recently been linked to Anfield moves.

Criscito has become a fixture at left back for Italy and has been impressive for Genoa in the Serie A. His value, which has consistently risen in recent years, now sits at £10.5 million, according to TransferMarkt.co.uk


http://www.nesn.com/2011/03/report-italy-left-back-domenico-criscito-on-his-way-to-liverpool.html (http://www.nesn.com/2011/03/report-italy-left-back-domenico-criscito-on-his-way-to-liverpool.html)

I think Oscar Wendt but be a good acquisition as cover, with the additional bonus of him being available on a free. I'd cash in on all three of Aurelio, Insua and Konchesky as I think the latter two won't be  and aren't good enough and Aurelio simply can't be relied upon to be available when needed or for the duration for which he'd be needed. Alternatively, we look to blood Mavinga and/or Robinson as second choice but a top class first choice has to be priority this Summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 05, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
Liverpool join AC Milan and Juventus in race to sign Villarreal starlet Musacchio

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 12:26 AM on 4th February 2011



Liverpool have joined AC Milan and Juventus by scouting Villarreal's promising young central defender Mateo Musacchio.

The 20-year-old Argentine has only been in the first team a year but has emerged as one of the brightest talents in the Primera League.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1353417/Liverpool-join-race-sign-Villarreal-starlet-Mateo-Musacchio.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1353417/Liverpool-join-race-sign-Villarreal-starlet-Mateo-Musacchio.html)

That would potentially gives us 3 young centre halves with Musacchio, Ayala and Wilson, with Musacchio looking like he could possibly go straight into the team, maybe alongside Agger/Carra and that would give us the chance to cash in on Skrtel, whilst he still has some sort of value and get Sotiris Kyrgiakos off the wage bill and freeing up a squad place for Ayala.
As Ayala has been out on loan for a good part of this season, maybe we could have him as 4th choice and then send Wilson out on loan to somewhere he will get match time, at least for the first half of next season.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on March 11, 2011, 06:37:41 AM

Liverpool Make Alexis Sanchez Bid

Liverpool have been linked with speculation surrounding a €35m bid for Udinese’s Alexis Sanchez. It has been revealed that an English club, believed to be Liverpool, have made a huge offer for the highly rated winger ahead of the summer transfer window.

Udinese chairman Franco Soldati has claimed that an early official bid has been made for the player with rumours circulating that the bid originated from Anfield where Dalglish & co. are looking to add highly rated young talent.

“Sanchez is of interest to both English and Italian teams. A team has already offered a figure close to 30-35 million euros [for Sanchez] but I cannot say where it came from,” Soldati told Sky Italia.

And Udinese Sporting Director Fabrizio Larini added fuel to the fire on Calciomercato by saying:

”An evaluation of €25 million for Sanchez? Looking at what has been paid for [Luis] Suarez, [Fernando] Torres and David Luiz in England, I think Sanchez will also be sold for more than €25 million.”

Liverpool have previously been linked to the player, although Real Madrid, Man United and Chelsea are also said to be keen on the talented wide-man.

This rumour shouldn’t be totally discredited. Having seemingly lost out on Edin Hazard, the club could well be targeting other players ahead of the transfer window. And while €35m may be a big asking price following the January signings of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez,  the duo’s fee was covered by the sale of Ryan Babel and Fernando Torres meaning that the club could focus big summer signings.

Alexis Sanchez, being a young and exciting wide player, is exactly the type of acquisition that the club are looking to invest in. The 22-year-old may not be the worlds quickest winger, but his technical ability and low centre of gravity help him beat his opponents.

Sanchez is very much a flair player with an eye for goal. The Chilean has scored 11 goals in 25 appearances this season, but he may not be the right candidate if the club are looking for players with crossing ability to add much needed width.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 11, 2011, 11:07:43 AM
I suspect it's Chelsea, they've already had a couple of bids rejected.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 12, 2011, 11:03:32 AM
Joe Cole remains uncertain over Liverpool future

Published 23:00 11/03/11 By David Maddock




Joe Cole faced up to the reality of his uncertain Anfield future, by admitting last night he must take things 'day by day'.

The England midfielder has endured a tough time since his high-profile move to Liverpool last summer, and already there are suggestions the writing is on the wall for him at the club, with Tottenham rumoured to be a potential summer destination.

Harry Redknapp rivalled the Reds when Cole left Chelsea at the end of last season, and he is believed to be still willing to offer the 29 year old a route out of his current torment, despite being snubbed last time.


After a bright start on Merseyside, a succession of injuries have left him struggling desperately for form and fitness, and Cole has found it impossible to hold down a regular first team place, let alone stake an international claim.


He has been reduced to scrubbing around in the Europa League, desperately hoping for some more minutes on the pitch in a competition clearly viewed as second rate by his club.

For a player of such natural talent and obvious quality, the former Chelsea man has suffered the indignity of making more starts in Europe's second grade competition than in the Premier League. In fact, he has started 10 times in Europe, but incredibly, only six in domestic football.

Given that Liverpool have played their second string virtually all the way through the competition, it does not bode well for his long term future at the club.

And Cole clearly knows that. When pressed about his future on Thursday night after defeat in Portugal to Braga, he admitted that he cannot afford to look beyond the next day, and his body language suggested he may well be on the move shortly.

'The whole set-up, the players are gelling, you can just feel this club's going in the right direction, but for me I will just take it day by day,' he confessed.

'Do I think I made the wrong decision to come here? As I say, it's day by day. I'm proud to play for Liverpool, every day in every training session I am working hard and enjoying myself.

'It has been difficult this season, and I find myself playing these Europa League games trying to catch up, but I am still nice and positive, still myself - I know what a great job it is playing football for a living, but what will be, will be.'

Cole understands the painful irony of his situation. While he is obvious unsure of his next step at Anfield, he also believes the club has now turned the corner towards a brighter future.

Despite the setback in Braga on Thursday, he is convinced Liverpool are heading back towards their rightful place at the summit of English football.

And he believes they now have the right manager, and the right set-up to become one of the Premier League's big guns again, even if he far from he will be part of that potentially glorious future.

'We've got good players, the club is looking really positive, going in the right direction and I am proud to be part of it,' he insisted.

'I just think we have the right man here in Kenny Dalglish, the fans love him. Damien Comolli's come in and brought in some fantastic players, while I know Steve Clarke from Chelsea and I don't think there is a better coach around.

'I am happy, I like the lads, I like the training now, the manager has come in and been a breath of fresh air.

'Of course I still think I can make it here. There's nothing stopping me but I just have to take it day by day, step by step and we'll see where we go.'

Cole was disappointed with the result in Portugal, especially because he believes he should have had a penalty when he was felled by Braga defender Kaka.

But the midfielder is still confident Liverpool can turn the tie around in the second leg next week, especially with the help of Andy Carroll and the inspiration the big striker will provide for the Kop.

'Andy came on and looked a real threat, a real handful. The fans will be really looking forward to seeing him at Anfield and he can make a big difference,? Cole added.

'With the punters behind us at Anfield we will keep going and it will be a big night, and we will see if we can keep ourselves in the competition.'


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Tottenham-are-ready-to-offer-Joe-Cole-an-escape-route-as-he-continues-to-struggle-at-Liverpool-article712862.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Tottenham-are-ready-to-offer-Joe-Cole-an-escape-route-as-he-continues-to-struggle-at-Liverpool-article712862.html)

I think it would be best for all concerned if he moved on in the Summer. His injury situation is hardly going to improve at the age he is now, and we're getting little use of any substance out of him.
Any fee would probably only cover any pay-off he's due, but that gets one of the higher earners off the payroll at least.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on March 12, 2011, 03:33:27 PM
Joe was never a Liverpool type player.

In our setup, it is pass and move......socialism in action......whereas Joe was thatcherism in action.  I recall many times when at Chelsea, he would try fruitlessly to go on his own, rather than passing the ball to a colleague in a better position.  That was never the Liverpool way.

Plus, just because you can get someone on a free, doesn't mean that it is a good deal for the club.

Having said all that, as a person, Joe was always a good lad - as witnessed in his kind words above, about the club, his colleagues and the new manager.




Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 12, 2011, 04:47:08 PM
Joe's never heard the old footballing phrase 'let the ball do the work', unfortunately.

Our recent 'frees' have all turned out to be very 'costly', one way or another, as has the masterstroke of re-signing Aurelio, whoever dreamt that one up.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on March 13, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
The only thing about Joe though is his undoubted talent. This season has been a write off but if they would get him playing anywhere near the level he was at before then he could be a very important squad member. Plus hes english, thats worth an extra 5 or 10 million these days before even taking into account a players ability. I would be inclined to give him another season, get a good pre season under his belt and take it from there.

See Sylvian Marveaux is apperantley close to joining us on a bosman for next season. Hopefully hes more John Barnes than Mark Gonzalez.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 28, 2011, 08:15:41 PM
Derby want to re-sign Ayala

Last updated: 28th March 2011


Derby are going to ask Liverpool about the possibility of re-signing Daniel Ayala on loan next season.

The defender has made nine appearances, including eight consecutive starts, since joining the Championship club in February in a deal that is due to expire at the end of the season.

Derby manager Nigel Clough has been impressed by Ayala and would like to take the 20-year-old back to Pride Park in the 2011/12 campaign.

Ayala would have limited opportunities behind Jamie Carragher, Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel at Liverpool and the Premier League club would likely be happy for the offer of first-team football elsewhere.

But Clough does not expect a decision anytime soon, as he told the Derby Telegraph: "Is there a possibility we could see him back on loan next season? We are going to make that inquiry, certainly.

"We will be speaking to Liverpool to see if there is any possibility of that happening. The only thing is that they don't usually make those decisions until August.

"We need some players in before that and we certainly need another centre-half in. Daniel has shown us enough during his time here and we would like to take him as a loan as well next season."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6839243,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6839243,00.html)


If Ayala's going to get as much first team action next season as he has this season with The Rams, then it would be a great benefit to both the player and us. Either Ayala or Wilson need to go out on loan with the other hopefully getting more first team run-outs in order to develop.
It was good to see Wilson get some time on the pitch against Brazil on Sunday.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on March 30, 2011, 07:08:56 PM
This morning i read about Lucas only having 15 months left on his contract and how he's off to napoli for 3 quid or so and then this afternoon i come across this...
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6843227,00.html
so he's going nowhere...and considering he's had a lot of derision (some from me i hasten to add) him signing is a show of a certain amount of character and him wanting to stay at the club...having said that he'll probably be off in early june but hey...
a good squad player and still 24...so am seriously hoping he will continue to improve...cos he does need to...but for now he's solid enough...needs competition though....
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on March 31, 2011, 02:04:48 PM
Watching the Scotland/Brazil game, out of Charlie Adam and Lucas, I know which one I'd prefer. Though Red suits him better than yellow.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 02, 2011, 01:55:19 PM
adam's grandfather was originally from brazil, so he could have played for them.  But the lad turned the brazilian FA down, when they tentatively approached him last year.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on April 12, 2011, 11:32:36 PM
Has anyone seen the quotes from Phil thompson that a deal has been done to bring in Jose Enrique from Newcastle?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 12, 2011, 11:44:50 PM
Has anyone seen the quotes from Phil thompson that a deal has been done to bring in Jose Enrique from Newcastle?

Yep. But nothing in the quality press, only tabloids. Probably true but I'll wait until Rory Smith runs the story. Left back I believe. Excellent!
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on April 12, 2011, 11:56:22 PM
I've been nosing on a few of the magpies forum. They seem to rate him very highly. Not sure how much he'll cost but he's only got 1 more year on his contract so that will make a difference. Not sure how happy kenny will be with Phil for the comments? Or maybe he's lying and has nose has grown. Or was it like that before!!!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 13, 2011, 09:19:03 PM
Newcastle paid £6.3M but with only 1 year remaining on his contract I wouldn't expect us to pay over £10M, hopefully less.

But AC Milan are sniffing so we need to be quick. Not sure how good Thommo's sources are though.  ???
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 13, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
with one year left to run, and bought at just over 6 million initially, I would like to pay 2 or 3 million.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 13, 2011, 11:24:33 PM
with one year left to run, and bought at just over 6 million initially, I would like to pay 2 or 3 million.

With interest from AC Milan it's bound to push the price up dude but generally I agree that with only 1 year remaining on his contract you don't over pay. I shall watch televised Newcastle games more closely for the rest of the season.

We seem to have far better judges of what makes a good player than under Rafa even though I liked him a lot. His judgement wasn't always top notch.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 13, 2011, 11:36:08 PM
Paka was Rafa's main man re spotting talent, ASI.  IMHO

Losing Paka, was like Samson losing his hair.

Like Clough without Taylor.

Like Laurel without Hardy.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 13, 2011, 11:40:47 PM
Or Cameron without Clegg! Hmmm, perhaps not.  :D

Bob Paisley must have had some good scouts. Life then was probably a lot simpler not having to tour all around Europe. Just an annual trip to Crewe to see Dario and up to Newcastle for the best Georgies.

Time for bed.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 14, 2011, 03:07:24 PM
excatly.

and international scouting trips involved heading up to scotland or over on the ferry to Ireland. 

geoff twentyman - what a scout. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 14, 2011, 07:27:27 PM
excatly.

and international scouting trips involved heading up to scotland or over on the ferry to Ireland. 

geoff twentyman - what a scout. 


Dude, what a memory you have. I remember Geoff now but couldn't have recalled it.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 14, 2011, 07:51:38 PM
Dude, what a memory you have. I remember Geoff now but couldn't have recalled it.

he's well worth googling, ASI.   He made some great finds....and often mingled quietly in stadiums - mindful of not giving his presence away.

my school friend - fellow striker beside me in our team in Ireland - got a trial for liverpool in the late 70s.  I might have had a chance of a trial too - but was dead slow over the first 5 yards - like a donkey running in treacle. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 14, 2011, 10:12:31 PM
When I get a chance I'll google him Dude. Work is pretty demanding at present. Everything was low key in those halycon days. Before Sky came in and the world changed forever.

Your next sentence sounded like words from Yozza Hughes in Boys From The Black Stuff. "Gizza job. Go on, giz one. I could have been a footballer but I had a paper round."

Didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Classic writing from Alan Bleasdale.

Pity you couldn't make it as a footballer but you wouldn't have made pots of money back then would you? You're far better off in your current job in the sunny climes of LA. And your knees are probably still in decent condition. Not like poor Tommy Smith's.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 14, 2011, 11:58:42 PM
 ;D

Gizza job, Bob.  Boys form the blackstuff, awesome series.  I downloaded it on bit torrent a few months back.  Must watch it.   Aye, if it wasn't for my lack of speed, and lack of technical ability, I could have been somebody.   :D   

Still, I enjoyed my football locally.  And played in a very successful 5-a-side team locally, from the 90s onwards.

I recall another school friend, back then in 77, going off to Wembley for the fa cup final....May 77, man utd v liverpool.  The FA Cup final was big back then.....not like nowadays.   I told him to bring me back a match program......I think it cost one pound (or was it 2).

Great days....lots of sunshine in my memories.

here is a twentyman article - alan kennedy recalls how geoff found him.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kennedy-s-debt-to-renowned-chief-scout-twentyman (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kennedy-s-debt-to-renowned-chief-scout-twentyman)

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 15, 2011, 11:53:21 PM
Thanks for the link dude. A fine tribute to a loyal club servant. How times change. Can you imagine Damian C wearing a false moustach and beard at another club so he wouldn't be recognised?  :D

77 Final was the day my loathing of Utd began. That fluked second goal did it for me. Bad bad day.  >:(
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on April 16, 2011, 01:18:20 AM
Thanks for the link dude. A fine tribute to a loyal club servant. How times change. Can you imagine Damian C wearing a false moustach and beard at another club so he wouldn't be recognised?  :D

77 Final was the day my loathing of Utd began. That fluked second goal did it for me. Bad bad day.  >:(

agreed, ASI

bright summer day - and they fluked that awful winner.....via greenhoff and macari....grrrr

tho it probably made the following wednesday all the sweeter (the european cup win).


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on April 17, 2011, 12:44:42 AM
Secret Diary of a Liverpool Scout by Simon Hughes is a brilliant read.

We lost Pako, lost chief scout Frank MacParland to Bolton and gained Eduardo Macia as his replacement. Those things all combined created the disasters that followed.

Thankfully MacParland's now back as Academy director. Macia's gone but we still need to reinforce the scouting operation. We can't just rely on Commolli.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on April 20, 2011, 08:49:06 PM
Poulsen poised to end miserable Liverpool stay with return to Copenhagen


Wednesday, April 20



Liverpool flop Christian Poulsen is on the verge of ending his Merseyside misery with a return to former club FC Copenhagen.
The midfielder, signed by Roy Hodgson during his disastrous six month reign at the start of the season, has made just nine league starts for the club after costing £4.5m from Juventus in the summer.
The Denmark international was made a scapegoat for Liverpool's poor start to the season after failing to fill the gap left by Javier Mascherano as the club's deep-lying central midfielder.
Reports in the Danish press claim the 31-year-old has already signed a one-year deal with the Champions League side with a further year on offer if the former Schalke man impresses the Superliga champions.



http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/6718/4/poulsen-poised-end-miserable-liverpool-stay-return-copenhagen (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/6718/4/poulsen-poised-end-miserable-liverpool-stay-return-copenhagen)


Hopefully there's a grain of truth in this report and we see the back of Poulsen this Summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on April 20, 2011, 08:59:34 PM
Liverpool considering move for Birmingham defender Roger Johnson


By Neil Moxley 20th April 2011




Roger Johnson has emerged as a target for Liverpool after director of football Damien Comolli ran the rule over Birmingham City's centre back.

Kenny Dalglish is in the market for a defender this summer and Johnson, who was recently called up to the provisional England squad, is nearing the end of a second impressive season at St Andrew's.

The 27-year-old, who has only one year remaining on his contract after signing from Cardiff for £5million in 2009, is refusing to talk about contracts until Birmingham's Barclays Premier League future is secured. Coincidentally, City face Liverpool on Saturday.

Meanwhile, coach Steve Clarke is ready to commit his future to Liverpool in the latest hint that Dalglish will soon be permanently appointed manager.

The club are expected to offer Clarke a three-year deal at the end of the season to continue as Dalglish's assistant. Talks between Fenway Sports Group and the pair are ongoing.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1378650/Liverpool-considering-Birmingham-defender-Roger-Johnson.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1378650/Liverpool-considering-Birmingham-defender-Roger-Johnson.html)


He's probably not the sort of signing to set the pulse racing in many fans but imagine how people would have kicked off back in 1999, had the internet been what it is today, when we were linked with some no-name Finnish centre half, playing in 'it's only the Dutch league' for some strange named team that lots of people wouldn't have even heard of. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on April 27, 2011, 07:29:38 PM
SOUNDS LIKE REINA IS STAYING AT LIVERPOOL
Liverpool goalkeeper Pepe Reina has given his strongest indication that he will stay at Anfield next season. The Spaniard's future on Merseyside has been the subject of conjecture after an indifferent campaign for the Reds.

Reina had previously hinted he could be forced to leave the club if they were not competing for honours on a consistent basis.

However, Reina has been encouraged by the progress of the side under Kenny Dalglish and believes the club's American owners Fenway Sports Group will make money available to bolster the squad this summer.

"I am happy, calm and comfortable here," Reina told the Spanish radio station Cadena Cope. "[I am] looking towards the future which I reckon will bring a lot of happiness and hopefully the new project with the new American owners [Fenway Sports Group] will be a convincing one.

"Obviously [Rafael] Benítez brought me here but that doesn't mean that I'm unhappy with [Kenny] Dalglish, quite the opposite. I think he's the ideal man for Liverpool at this moment.

"It's my understanding, and based on what I've gathered from the people here, that we will be bringing in some important players, continuing to grow and hopefully in one or two years we will be in the place that Liverpool deserves to be, which is fighting for titles."

Reina has been mentioned as a possible target for Liverpool's bitter rivals Manchester United, but the former Barcelona and Villarreal keeper insists he has no plans to move to Old Trafford.

"I am not going to Manchester, that is not my intention," added Reina. "I don't know if I am a candidate for them; I am sure that they have evaluated a lot of goalkeepers, not just [David] De Gea or Reina."



Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on April 28, 2011, 05:47:45 AM
Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish is considering a £5million move for Newcastle midfielder Joey Barton.

Dalglish has long followed the 28-year-old's progress and, while he recognises such a move would be controversial, he believes Barton's ability merits serious consideration.

Dalglish wants to bring in around six signings this summer, with Blackburn's Phil Jones, Blackpool's Charlie Adam, Aston Villa's Ashley Young and Stewart Downing and Ipswich's Connor Wickham among his targets.

He is keen to return a strong British identity to the squad and sees room for Barton's feisty style.

The Liverpudlian has not always endeared himself to the Anfield faithful. He was sent off for a lunge at Xabi Alonso on his last visit and clashed with Fernando Torres during Newcastle's 3-1 home victory over Liverpool last December.

But Dalglish feels Barton could add an edge to his side and help bring the best out of £35m record signing Andy Carroll.

Barton, who will have 12 months left on his contract at St James' Park by the summer, set up eight goals for the England striker in his time at Newcastle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1381297/Liverpool-boss-Kenny-Dalglish-mulls-5m-Newcastle-bad-boy-Joey-Barton.html

Can't see this one happening...
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Post by: the dude abides on April 28, 2011, 10:27:11 AM
couldn't believe the Barton stuff when I saw it in the papers.

Barton is nowhere near Liverpool class.

And if Kenny thinks he is, and has supposedly been following the lad's career, then I am gobsmacked.




Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on April 29, 2011, 09:03:16 PM
Heard a couple of rumours today a deal for Eden hazard is close. Everybody seems to rave about the lad but haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement really.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on May 02, 2011, 12:54:01 PM
Heard a couple of rumours today a deal for Eden hazard is close. Everybody seems to rave about the lad but haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement really.


I'd be surprised as he's said on more than one occasion that his prefered place to play in England is at The Emirates. Also, his price is overinflated. Yes, he has quality and bags of potential but he's proven nothing on the big stages yet and Ligue 1 is a deckchair job compared to the demands of the Premier League.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 03, 2011, 04:13:52 PM
But do arsenal really need another player like him? Id be very surprised if they did. They've got other areas that need immediate attention. The rumour is from the same source that I heard that suarez was in talks with us b4 it broke in the news. I'm still not convinced by hazard. He didn't do much against us last year but zidane seems to rate him highly and he knows a lot more about footy than I ever will.

Whether it's true or false it's nice to hear us mentioned with quality youngsters. Can't wait to see what actually does happen in the summer.

Kennys  definately the man for the job. I'm expecting an annoucement on him getting the gig on a full time basis either on the day of the spurs game or the day before
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 11, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
According to guillem balagues twitter Pepe has decided to stay!!! It was posted a few days ago but great news.

It also says we're after a left back, centre back, 2 wingers and a central midfielder.

And Jose Enrique hasn't signed yet because we're unsure on his defending

Mata is also a possibility.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 11, 2011, 11:14:26 PM
Also read today that we're in poll position to get Ashley young.

Mata, young, Suarez, Carroll, meireles, kuyt, Gerrard and maybe maxi. That sounds like a cracking unit going forward to me with a lot of different qualities and depth. With a left back and centre back and the youngsters coming through the futures looking very bright.

A few months ago there were a few comments that said we wouldn't see champions league footy again until 2014. I honestly don't think that's the case now
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2011, 05:56:59 PM
Mata will be tough to get as our rivals for his signature can all offer CL football.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2011, 07:11:34 PM
€16m Aquilani fee 'a little steep'

Friday 13 May, 2011


Alberto Aquilani’s agent feels the Liverpool buy-out clause is “a little steep” and Juventus probably won’t pay it.

The Bianconeri have been haggling over the €16m fee after taking the player on loan for this season and the deadline is looming.


“Juve want to sign Aquilani on a permanent basis, but they also want a discount from Liverpool on a price-tag that is effectively a little steep,” agent Franco Zavaglia told Sportmediaset.


“Clearly, if Alberto were to return to one of the top teams in the Premier League, then he wouldn’t be unhappy. He did sign a five-year contract with Liverpool.


“The important thing is that he had a good season and washed away those rumours he was constantly injured.”

Aquilani still in doubt for Juve
Alberto Aquilani’s injury has turned out to be less serious than first feared, but he is still a doubt for Juventus’ trip to Parma.


http://www.football-italia.net/may13r.html (http://www.football-italia.net/may13r.html)

Strange how the buy-out clause wasn't too steep for them to sign the loan contract it contained. Hopefully AC Milan will step up, especially as Pirlo is leaving on a free.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 18, 2011, 11:26:58 PM
But do arsenal really need another player like him? Id be very surprised if they did. They've got other areas that need immediate attention. The rumour is from the same source that I heard that suarez was in talks with us b4 it broke in the news. I'm still not convinced by hazard. He didn't do much against us last year but zidane seems to rate him highly and he knows a lot more about footy than I ever will.

Whether it's true or false it's nice to hear us mentioned with quality youngsters. Can't wait to see what actually does happen in the summer.

Kennys  definately the man for the job. I'm expecting an annoucement on him getting the gig on a full time basis either on the day of the spurs game or the day before

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/reds-make-move-for-20m-starlet

Anyone want to buy my crystal ball?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 18, 2011, 11:28:01 PM
Heard a couple of rumours today a deal for Eden hazard is close. Everybody seems to rave about the lad but haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement really.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on May 19, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
I havent seen much of Hazzard but as you say its always nice to be linked with players who are rated.

It would be a very interesting transfer window if we were to make a couple of impressive early signings. Dont give the other teams a chance to react. Last season we were obviously very slow off the mark and i think we will need to move early to be able to compete with the four in the CL.

Saying that if its clear early on that a player is more interested in playing in the CL than at Liverpool move on to the next target.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on May 19, 2011, 05:47:15 PM
I'm paticularly interested in players who have also been linked to Manure like Ashley Young and Jones at Blackburn. if we can get them it say's a lot about how players perceive the club under Kenny.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 19, 2011, 06:19:57 PM
The way kenny had us playing before spurs should hopefully be a big attraction for anyone.A long with the fact young for instance would be a regular starter rather than a bench warmer at the mancs
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on May 19, 2011, 08:00:47 PM
Agreed Kopite. It was no coincidence we lost when Meireles was out and Carroll played. That's not to say Andy isn't any good for us but we clearly played a different game without Raul's passing ability.

We need to learn to play to Andy's strengths which will be a lot easier when we have a couple of wingers.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on May 23, 2011, 02:49:54 PM
Hmmm Udinese has rejected a 30 million quid bid for Sanchez from an unnamed club it seems... can't see that being us..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1389960/Alexis-Sanchez-30m-bid-rejected-Udinese.html
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on May 23, 2011, 09:11:32 PM
Hmmm Udinese has rejected a 30 million quid bid for Sanchez from an unnamed club it seems... can't see that being us..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1389960/Alexis-Sanchez-30m-bid-rejected-Udinese.html

Chelsea had a £30M ish bid rejected in January. With Ancelotti going, I'd not be surprised if Abramovich has tried again in order to appease the natives. If not them, then City or Madrid, in that order.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on May 25, 2011, 11:38:07 PM
Looks like we could be losing out to Manure over Ashley Young. Shouldn't the club be busting a gut to get deals done asap now? What's going on? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1390541/Manchester-United-beat-Liverpool-dash-sign-15m-England-winger-Ashley-Young.html
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 26, 2011, 10:33:36 PM
Its a shame he's gone to the darkside but I'm sure we'll get sum quality from somewhere. Kenny will make sure of that
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on May 26, 2011, 11:14:11 PM
Newcastle have rejected a bid for Enrique. This one will run for a while I think. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-Newcastle-transfer-news-Reds-offer-4m-for-Jose-Enrique-but-Magpies-want-15m-Liverpool-could-turn-to-Celtic-Izaguirre-Wigan-Figueroa-instead-article740819.html

But we could be moving in for Scott Dann at Birmingham. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-bid-10m-for-Birmingham-s-Scot-Dann-article740945.html
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 27, 2011, 11:44:45 AM
There was a story about Dann in the echo. When they start writing stories on targets there normally close to the mark
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 27, 2011, 12:52:15 PM
There was also a story on the web about the benfica left back but apparently they want 25 million. He's a great player but not sure we should be spending so much on a left back.

Enrique plus kochensky and 6 or 7 million seems a fair deal to me when he's got only one year left on his contract.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on May 28, 2011, 01:26:12 PM
Kopite,

Didn't we pay a club record fee for Skrtel? £8M I believe. £25M is obscene.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 28, 2011, 02:37:22 PM
Yeah something like that. Seen reports today he's set on going to Real. Where we're at the moment that kind of signing just wouldn't make sense. Let's a assemble a very good young squad that's hungry and  can take us to the nxt step
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on May 28, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
Kopite,

Didn't we pay a club record fee for Skrtel? £8M I believe. £25M is obscene.

and that was 8 million PRE the depression hitting.

should be more like 4 or 5 million now.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on May 28, 2011, 03:15:23 PM
I don't think football especially premier league clubs pays much attention to the depression dude eg players fee's and wages and also ticket prices
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on May 28, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
you're right, kopite.

and that is why we see such a gap now between football (clubs/players) and the fans.

I note that a senior QPR board member resigned this week, after his colleagues decided on higher ticket prices.....so even amongst club executives, there is a feeling that the prices are too high.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2011, 02:35:03 PM
you're right, kopite.

and that is why we see such a gap now between football (clubs/players) and the fans.

I note that a senior QPR board member resigned this week, after his colleagues decided on higher ticket prices.....so even amongst club executives, there is a feeling that the prices are too high.

Nice to see some honour amongst thieves board members for once.

Neither Enrique or Concentrao convince me defensively. I'd rather stick with what we've got (had this season) Johnson and Robinson than simply 'just get a left back'. For a player with just a year left on his contract Enrique seems overpriced and full backs that can attack, rather than defend, strangely always seem to attrack a irrational premium, a bit like English players.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 03, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
Apparently mata is a done deal announcement on 1st July!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2011, 09:08:44 PM
Apparently mata is a done deal announcement on 1st July!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kopite, but who's done the deal?  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2011, 09:11:26 PM
Spurs sign Friedel on two-year deal

Tottenham Hotspur have confirmed the capture of Aston Villa goalkeeper Brad Friedel on a two-year deal.

The American veteran was out of contract this summer and Spurs have beaten off reported competition from both Liverpool and West Bromwich Albion for his signature.

"Brad is a top goalkeeper of real quality who has great experience," manager Harry Redknapp told the club's official website.

“It is good to have three such experienced top goalkeepers at the club in [Heurelho] Gomes, Carlo [Cudicini] and now Brad and it means we have competition for places, particularly with the number of games we will hopefully face next year both domestically and in Europe as well."

Friedel’s agent Tony McGill confirmed the move on skysports.com, saying: "Yes, I can confirm Brad has chosen Spurs, but it was a very difficult decision to leave Villa.

"Brad has really enjoyed his time there, the fans and staff have been exceptional, especially [Villa chief executive] Paul Faulkner, and I know Brad will wish Villa nothing but success.

"But Brad felt the time was right to move on, and he has not been short of offers. The last 48 hours have been hectic.

"Brad is now looking forward to moving to Tottenham and pushing for a starting place and helping them back into the top four next season."

Villa confirmed the move on their website with chief executive Faulkner stating: "I would like to thank Brad for the terrific contribution he has made at Aston Villa in his three seasons here."


http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/80698/default.aspx (http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/80698/default.aspx)


That's a real shame. Would have been top class cover for Reina for a couple of seasons and then become a goalkeeping coach at the club.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 03, 2011, 09:27:40 PM
Apparently mata is a done deal announcement on 1st July!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bloody hell! We're signing Mata Hari? That could make the dressing room interesting!  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 04, 2011, 12:44:33 AM
doesn't have an agent apparently.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 04, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
doesn't have an agent apparently.
Dude, Superb  ;D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 04, 2011, 10:30:37 PM
Bloody hell! We're signing Mata Hari? That could make the dressing room interesting!  :D

 :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 04, 2011, 10:36:31 PM
I realise it's only 'media speculation' but there seems to be a 'buy British' theme running through the players we're linked with. Jordon Henderson and Conor Wickham (again) are the latest two. I've no problem with looking at 'Premiership proven' but I have with the prices we'd be paying.
We'd get better value shopping abroad, whilst at the same time looking at youngsters we could turn into our own 'young Brits' and save ourself a fortune both now and long term.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 05, 2011, 04:32:13 PM
TBH I'd rather us buy British. Would I prefer Ngog on the bench or wickham I'd take wickham. A hungry English lad who's got a bright future ahead of him. Ngogs got potential but the lack of passion and effort just can't be put up with.at the very least we expect players to give 100 percent and wickham will do that.

We've always been priced out of up and coming Englishman and then up paying at least double the price when they become proven. Kennys not stupid he'll pay what he thinks there worth and no more.

We've had years of cheyrous, pongolles, and numerous Spanish youngsters, I'm delighted kenny is going down the british route
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2011, 11:15:17 PM
TBH I'd rather us buy British. Would I prefer Ngog on the bench or wickham I'd take wickham. A hungry English lad who's got a bright future ahead of him. Ngogs got potential but the lack of passion and effort just can't be put up with.at the very least we expect players to give 100 percent and wickham will do that.

We've always been priced out of up and coming Englishman and then up paying at least double the price when they become proven. Kennys not stupid he'll pay what he thinks there worth and no more.

We've had years of cheyrous, pongolles, and numerous Spanish youngsters, I'm delighted kenny is going down the british route

We've certainly missed the boat in the past, most recently Gary Cahill when he moved from Villa to Bolton, Daniel Sturridge, Man City to Chelsea and Adam Johnson, Boro to Man City.
The prices being bandied about though are just crazy. Will we get real value for money or as technically and tactically proficient player if we sign, let's say, Jordon Henderson, as we would if we spent the same amount on a European or South American player?
Bottom line, I'm not bothered where a player comes from, and as I've said many times, I'd get much more joy from unearthing another Hyypia, Arbeloa, Reina, Alonso etc at those sorts of prices than going out and spending £20M+ each time on 'names'. 
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Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 06, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
Well Kopite you may be getting your wish. It seems the club are close to the signature of Henderson as reported here in the Guardian  http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/06/jordan-henderson-liverpool-sunderland

But with a midfield of Gerrard, Meireles, Spearing, Lucas and maybe Aquilani do we need another one? I suppose Kenny knows a bit more than me though.  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 06, 2011, 10:53:20 PM
It is expensive but its great to see us getting great potential for the future. If he ends up spending his whole carreer here maybe it wont look that expensive in years to come. I also think he'll end up on one of the wings like you say we've got a lot of players in the middle.

But i'm pretty sure aquilani wont be with us next season even though with the new style we're playing it coud also suit his game.
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Post by: Kopite999 on June 06, 2011, 10:58:37 PM
Phil Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnq3OITI0_4&NR=1
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 06, 2011, 11:00:07 PM

Jordan Henderson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBsk69cBhpM&feature=related
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 07, 2011, 10:53:36 PM
I don't understand why were are going for Henderson and now, are being linked to Adam again. Henderson at close to £20M seems far too much money. Who would he replace? Same for Adam. Does that mean Spearing loses his place? And then what about Shelvey? Kenny and Steve seems to be trying to build 3 teams!

I'd like us to go for Young. Surely he's worth as much as Henderson and would give us a top winger who can provide Carroll with some ammunition. And what's happened about Enrique? That's gone quiet.

I'm pleased we're looking to spend some serious money but I do worry about our targets.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 08, 2011, 12:27:42 AM
13M plus Ngog by the sounds of it. canny business for kenny if its true
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 08, 2011, 04:43:30 AM
13M plus Ngog by the sounds of it. canny business for kenny if its true

An absolute corking bit of business if true...I think Henderson might be bought as a potential replacement for Gerrard in a couple of years...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 08, 2011, 12:45:38 PM
The henderson deal looks done with ngog going the other way...only 20 and english...he has much to learn but with gerrard and meireles and the 2 barca coaches i have no doubt he'll improve and he must show enough promise to be able to...
if it works out at about 13/14 mil for an englishman and with all these new rules then it's all good..

not sure where charlie adam could fit in if we get him also...

if we can get another englishman as in phil jones for the defence we'll have cover for gerrard and carragher when they close in on retirement..

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 08, 2011, 01:03:34 PM
United have moved fast to ensure we dont get phil jones aswell, hes having a medical there now. Pitty a top centre back for the future is probably more needed than a centre midfielder. Cant win them all though
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 08, 2011, 11:15:37 PM
It's a pity we couldn't land Jones but Kenny and Damian will have other choices. I think we need to get Enrique before Barca make a move. It would be hard for him to resist them.

Next up? We have to get Downing. A wide left man is essential  for service to Carroll. Kelly can provide good service down the right. And another striker would be handy. A marque signing would be useful as Carroll does seem a little injury-prone I'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 09, 2011, 04:05:21 PM
United have moved fast to ensure we dont get phil jones aswell, hes having a medical there now. Pitty a top centre back for the future is probably more needed than a centre midfielder. Cant win them all though

Juan, I think we pretty much forced Fergie's hand regarding Jones.  My understanding was that the scum would have made a bid next summer but due to Liverpools swiftness in capturing Henderson from under their noses, Fergie was obviously worried that Jones would end up at Anfield.  No major loss imho opinion, I'm sure LFC have a number of targets for each position.

In Dalglish we Trust!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 10, 2011, 02:03:07 PM
In defence we're being linked with Scott Dann for central defence and Gael Clichy for left back...Clichy for 5 mil would be an absolute steal and can't quite understand how clichy is rated at 5 mil and Dann who got relegated with Birmingham can be valued at 10m. Would be good acquisitions though as they are experienced premier players...

As for other english players? Where would Charlie adam play?
IF we get CLichy then that might end any interest in warnock...
And as for Downing and Young then sure....for the right price...never been really convinced by both tbh...but as a preference would prefer downing...but it seems we might have signed mata so that's the left wing sorted...
Conor Wickham would be one for the future...

As kopite mentioned Mata being a signing when the international market opens on July 1st...
then we've also been linked with jeffren who's a young striker at barca who can't dislodge messi, villa and pedro (who could?)... might be a loan deal though...

And the long shots? Hazard, alexis sanchez becomes more and more distant and it seems he's signed for barca...

could see gerrard being played on the right wing now...with kuyt foraging upfront...

Clichy, Mata, Hazard and Sanchez and i'll be in dreamland... 8)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 11, 2011, 08:33:26 PM
Steven Gerrard proclaims: "Let's hope he (Jordan Henderson) is the next Steven Gerrard.  That's what good football clubs do - they replace their best players.  Liverpool needs a new Steven Gerrard and it will need a new Jamie Carragher."
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for goodness sake lad, have a listen to yourself.

Liverpool FC was always built around humility.  How you ever got to be our friggen captain, I will never know.

I hope the new lad Henderson's feet are kept on the ground.

Lads like Gerrard and Torres are examples of lads who got way ahead of themselves.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 11, 2011, 11:11:31 PM
In defence we're being linked with Scott Dann for central defence and Gael Clichy for left back...Clichy for 5 mil would be an absolute steal and can't quite understand how clichy is rated at 5 mil and Dann who got relegated with Birmingham can be valued at 10m. Would be good acquisitions though as they are experienced premier players...

As for other english players? Where would Charlie adam play?
IF we get CLichy then that might end any interest in warnock...
And as for Downing and Young then sure....for the right price...never been really convinced by both tbh...but as a preference would prefer downing...but it seems we might have signed mata so that's the left wing sorted...
Conor Wickham would be one for the future...

As kopite mentioned Mata being a signing when the international market opens on July 1st...
then we've also been linked with jeffren who's a young striker at barca who can't dislodge messi, villa and pedro (who could?)... might be a loan deal though...

And the long shots? Hazard, alexis sanchez becomes more and more distant and it seems he's signed for barca...

could see gerrard being played on the right wing now...with kuyt foraging upfront...

Clichy, Mata, Hazard and Sanchez and i'll be in dreamland... 8)

Clichy is entering the final year of his contract and has refused a new one. I'm not sure what Dann's contract situation is, though he probably has longer than just a year left which would explain the differences in 'valuation'. Also, we have to remember the prices we are reading are just the media's take on things. The relevant chairmen/chief executives/owner(s) may see things 'slightly differently'.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 11, 2011, 11:14:11 PM
Steven Gerrard proclaims: "Let's hope he (Jordan Henderson) is the next Steven Gerrard.  That's what good football clubs do - they replace their best players.  Liverpool needs a new Steven Gerrard and it will need a new Jamie Carragher."
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for goodness sake lad, have a listen to yourself.

Liverpool FC was always built around humility.  How you ever got to be our friggen captain, I will never know.

I hope the new lad Henderson's feet are kept on the ground.

Lads like Gerrard and Torres are examples of lads who got way ahead of themselves.

Agreed Dude, it was cringeworthy to say the least. We want Henderson to develop into the next Jordan Henderson and have the same impact as the likes of Gerrard, Souness, Callaghan etc and help the 'team' to success.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 12, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
Agreed Dude, it was cringeworthy to say the least. We want Henderson to develop into the next Jordan Henderson and have the same impact as the likes of Gerrard, Souness, Callaghan etc and help the 'team' to success.

exactly.

team comes first.

And I don't even agree with his sentiment.   As much as I like Jamie Carragher, I don't want another one.  I want a moderately fast centreback......someone who has time on the ball........someone who can dribble out of defence....someone who is not always having to make last ditch saving tackles....someone who doesn't have to hoof it forward.....someone who can get forward for corners and set-pieces and score occasionally.  So no, I actually do not want another Carra.

And as for Big Head Me Me Me Gerrard - I predicted years ago, that we would only start to win league titles again, when he was gone (or playing a minor role).  He is Liverpool's Bryan Robson.

I enjoyed the football we played in the final months of the season (i.e. with no Gerrard in the team).  We actually looked like a tight team.

*battens down hatches*
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 12, 2011, 02:43:57 PM

And as for Big Head Me Me Me Gerrard - I predicted years ago, that we would only start to win league titles again, when he was gone (or playing a minor role).  He is Liverpool's Bryan Robson.

I enjoyed the football we played in the final months of the season (i.e. with no Gerrard in the team).  We actually looked like a tight team.

*battens down hatches*

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Blasphemy, Sirrah! If i wasn't orf chasing down the lastest spanish harlot i'd damn well seek ye out and demand a duel.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 12, 2011, 02:45:33 PM
exactly.

team comes first.

And I don't even agree with his sentiment.   As much as I like Jamie Carragher, I don't want another one.  I want a moderately fast centreback......someone who has time on the ball........someone who can dribble out of defence....someone who is not always having to make last ditch saving tackles....someone who doesn't have to hoof it forward.....someone who can get forward for corners and set-pieces and score occasionally.  So no, I actually do not want another Carra.


True...would be nice to get a cultured pacy player...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 12, 2011, 04:57:03 PM
Blasphemy, Sirrah! If i wasn't orf chasing down the lastest spanish harlot i'd damn well seek ye out and demand a duel.


fist-fights at dawn it is (or whenever you get home from chasing senorettas and I sober up - possibly early afternoon)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 12, 2011, 04:58:47 PM
True...would be nice to get a cultured pacy player...

excatly.

someone comfortable on the ball.

someone who has some pace, can dribble, can score the occasional goal.

thoiugh he was slow, I still miss Big Sami.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 12, 2011, 07:28:30 PM
 

fist-fights at dawn it is (or whenever you get home from chasing senorettas and I sober up - possibly early afternoon)

Duels sirrah, are invariably best fought when blind drunk, always prefer pistols meself dontcha know, and at sunset when you can see bugger all, being thin and concealed in darkness tends to add to my win ratio...

As regard to that blighter Gerrard i have had second thoughts and to be perfectly honest i would concur on your appraisal that our team of heroes did in fact benefit from his absense...
his legs have gone see? gone and heading for the knackers yard...the gerrard of 2 years ago when he and alonso controlled midfield and tore through many a damn foreigner are but a distant memory...

i would even go so far as to suggest that next season he might find himself pushed out to the right wing and have to be bloody well happy about it, what with merieles, mata, henderson, etc filling his place...

so perhaps now that i have concurred with what you say, we can forget all this talk of duels and the like and have a drink as gentlemen...what say you?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 13, 2011, 12:03:47 AM

Blasphemy, Sirrah! If i wasn't orf chasing down the lastest spanish harlot i'd damn well seek ye out and demand a duel.

I misread that as 'duet' initially. I thought you were offering Dude a threesome with the Spanish harlot or is that in Spanish Harlem?

Damn, I'm confuddle.  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 13, 2011, 04:22:20 PM
Sky sports are reporting that liverpool will hold talks with adam this week. Good news although i am more than a little perplexed with the number of central midfield players we will have in the team. After the phil jones episode id expect fergie to register his interest soon.

One worrying aspect sky report in relation to what they call the uncertain future for meireles if adam is purchased. Surely he was one of the major positives of last season and can only go from strength to strength next term.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 13, 2011, 06:31:37 PM
I refuse to get dragged in to another Gerrard argument. My feelings on the man thats made us overachieve with a squad that has lacked quality over the years, is well known.  :o :o :o

I'm convinced Henderson will play on the right for a few seasons then more centrally as he developes. For the England u21's last night he was pretty poor in the middle. Most of his best bits for sunderland came when he was down the right creating and crossing. I honestly think he was bought because Kenny knew we were going to miss out on Young.

Aquilani will be sold whether its 10 million or 5 million. Poulson will be gone and kenny can even have my number to  do the taxi service myself for him to the airport.

So that leaves Meireles, Gerrard, Lucas, Spearing, Shelvey, and possibly Adam.

All the signs are that we'll continue with 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 , however you look at it.

Shelvey will continue his developement from the bench.

So the 3 central roles will be between Meireles, Gerrard, Lucas, Spearing and Adam. But theres the option of sticking Meireles or Gerrard on the right or left aswell if we get injuies.

We've lacked depth and security in the middle for a couple of seasons now. I think next season it'll be a lot better







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Post by: Kopite999 on June 13, 2011, 06:47:46 PM
P.S Great to see Kenny making the mancs pay 4 million quid more for Jones. I would have liked to have signed him but Kenny must have riled up whiskey nose with the antics over the weekend. Just Brilliant :P :P :P. Makes me smile everytime i think about it.

And watched Mata last night in the u21's game. I actually think i'd prefer Downing. More direct and a better crosser for Carrol, although Mata is a veryskillful player
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 13, 2011, 07:17:43 PM
Meireles is being linked with a move to Inter. If that goes through we ought to look at Xavi Martinez of Athletic Bilbao or Moussa Sissoko of Toulouse.

Kopite, it's interesting that you see Henderson playing in a wide position initially. I see it the same way especially as we're still very strongly linked with Adam.

It's a shame about Phil Jones, especially as it means Taggart now has the U-21 pairing and arguably the two up and coming English centre halves. It's hard to think of any other English centre halves of the same calibre (at least who have regularly played in that position).
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 13, 2011, 07:32:14 PM
Meireles will be here next season. I wouldnt be too worried about that. We no longer have to sell to buy. He's still got a lot to offer us and Kennys not going to get rid of a player that will probably be even better next season. Cole and Maxi will go before Raul does
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 13, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
Your probably right about raul kopite, he was one player that consistently performed for kenny so its probably journalists being creative with their unsettled stories.

As for gerrard i respect what hes done for the club and seeing as this will be the first season without any negativity hanging over us maybe its time people give the guy a break as well as the benefit of doubt as to what drives him on.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 13, 2011, 08:36:40 PM
If there's one man in the world who'll get the best out of Stevie its the King. Stevie idolises him and i can see him running through a few brick walls for him next year
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 14, 2011, 07:00:09 PM
I wonder what Robert Paisley would have made of Captain Marvel.

I recall him subbing Craig Johnston, because the lad was disrupting our team play (by running all over the show).
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 14, 2011, 07:09:45 PM

Duels sirrah, are invariably best fought when blind drunk, always prefer pistols meself dontcha know, and at sunset when you can see bugger all, being thin and concealed in darkness tends to add to my win ratio...

As regard to that blighter Gerrard i have had second thoughts and to be perfectly honest i would concur on your appraisal that our team of heroes did in fact benefit from his absense...
his legs have gone see? gone and heading for the knackers yard...the gerrard of 2 years ago when he and alonso controlled midfield and tore through many a damn foreigner are but a distant memory...

i would even go so far as to suggest that next season he might find himself pushed out to the right wing and have to be bloody well happy about it, what with merieles, mata, henderson, etc filling his place...

so perhaps now that i have concurred with what you say, we can forget all this talk of duels and the like and have a drink as gentlemen...what say you?

sir, I agree wholeheartedly.  Push the blighter out to the right wing.  He does most damage there to opposing legions.  Out wide, will also mean less injuries of other reds personnel when his massive ego has to get past.

the new season cometh quickly.  Let all men know their station.  And let all take up sword and shield, lest the Manure goeth even further ahead in olde english titles.  Let none be found wanting.

and as for duels, you are most correct, sir.  Let us not draw pistols at dawn.  Let us wet our whistles, with a brew of the finest old english lagers. 

Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 14, 2011, 08:01:53 PM
I wonder what Robert Paisley would have made of Captain Marvel.

I recall him subbing Craig Johnston, because the lad was disrupting our team play (by running all over the show).

I don't understand attacking one of our players. Especially the captain and when all fans are optimistic, excited and looking forward
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 14, 2011, 08:03:10 PM
Welcome to Ye Olde Anfield Road. com
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 14, 2011, 08:10:31 PM
M'Vila committed to Rennes

By Phil Seery.   Last Updated: June 14, 2011 5:08pm



French international Yann M'Vila has committed his future to Rennes, ending speculation of a big-money move to England or Spain.

The 20-year-old has been in fine form for the Ligue 1 outfit since signing for the club in 2009 and even forced his way into the French international set-up at the start of last season.

Real Madrid and Liverpool have been linked with a big-money summer move for M'Vila, who now has 10 international caps, despite the midfielder signing a contract extension until 2015 last month.

However, M'Vila has quashed any transfer rumours as he believes he is better off continuing his development in France as that gives him the best chance of playing at next year's European Championship.

"I want to play in the European Championship and I think the best thing is to continue at Rennes," M'Vila told Marca.

"At my age a lot of players would have gone [abroad] to earn more money but I want to continue my development with a coach that knows me well."
 


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6989648,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6989648,00.html)


This is actually very good news for us, as we won't be losing out this Summer to a team that can offer CL football, and therefore if he does decide to move next Summer, hopefully we'll be in a position to offer that that we can't this Summer.

Also it seems to indicate a certain amount of loyalty and he's not off chasing the cash, instead he's more concerned with his development as a footballer. Both are qualities we should be looking at in players.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 14, 2011, 08:11:34 PM
I don't understand attacking one of our players. Especially the captain and when all fans are optimistic, excited and looking forward

agreed, let all our lads get behind the TEAM (and not themselves).

Let's hope this new poster, that signed up today, is the next Dude Abides.  That's what good football forums do - they replace their best posters.  Anfield Road needs a new Dude Abides and it will need a new Tes too.

how does that sound to you?  On the scale of cringeworthyness, is must be a nine or ten?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 14, 2011, 08:14:20 PM
Welcome to Ye Olde Anfield Road. com

cometh one, cometh all.

all the finest ale ye can drink.

and in the happy hour, the dude abides will recall tales of how he fought all the king's men, and cheated the hangman more than once.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 14, 2011, 09:50:59 PM

Let's hope this new poster, that signed up today, is the next Dude Abides.  That's what good football forums do - they replace their best posters.  Anfield Road needs a new Dude Abides


Completely agree with that
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 14, 2011, 11:05:31 PM
Completely agree with that

see, there's the difference in you and me.

you hero-worship me, and yet I don't want to be hero-worshipped. 

Instead, I just want to be part of a great forum....one of a team of posters, that make up a great forum.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 14, 2011, 11:23:13 PM
agreed, let all our lads get behind the TEAM (and not themselves).

Let's hope this new poster, that signed up today, is the next Dude Abides.  That's what good football forums do - they replace their best posters.  Anfield Road needs a new Dude Abides and it will need a new Tes too.

how does that sound to you?  On the scale of cringeworthyness, is must be a nine or ten?

I'm afraid it's Gerrard 1-0 Dude.


At least with Henderson we shouldn't have to worry about him doing what Alonso, Mascherano and Torres have done. He could easily have gone to the Mancs this Summer. Their interest was apparently longer standing than ours, and of course there's an almost guaranteed championship challenge and CL football on offer.
Arguably also, his first team chances are better at the Mancs with their midfield hardly being star studded and overstocked, Scholes retiring creates an immediate vacancy and only Valencia ahead of him in a wide position.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 15, 2011, 12:18:39 PM
At least with Henderson we shouldn't have to worry about him doing what Alonso, Mascherano and Torres have done. He could easily have gone to the Mancs this Summer. Their interest was apparently longer standing than ours, and of course there's an almost guaranteed championship challenge and CL football on offer.
Arguably also, his first team chances are better at the Mancs with their midfield hardly being star studded and overstocked, Scholes retiring creates an immediate vacancy and only Valencia ahead of him in a wide position.

yes, one has to be pragmatic about the whole thing.

if a player wants to play for Man Utd (and not us), for example Jones, then we are better without him.

similar, only vice versa, for Henderson. 

and the big bonus point, like you mention, is that local lads will be less willing to flock off (like Alonso or the Monster) to warmer climes.  For lads from the chilly north east, like henderson and carroll, Liverpool will be like the mediteranean. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 15, 2011, 01:31:43 PM
British / Irish players won't land us with the desire to 'go home'. They're only likely to want to move to a more successful club within the Premier League. As Henderson has shown though and Suarez before him, there are still players that believe that we are the club to be at.

If we can re-establish ourselves in the top four next season and then build ourselves up for a title challenge, then that problem would disappear.

Although Dalglish can't be seen as any more long term than Taggart, the Mancs are set up nicely for the sort of fall from grace we've endured. The combination of debt and trying to replace Taggart could see to that.
Chelsea and Man City will always have a degree of instability and Arsenal could face both boardroom upheaval and mass fan discontent soon. Also Wenger is not likely to be there for any length of time.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 15, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
Lol dude the mediteranian!

Reading a couple of transfer stories today. Doni has turned us down due to wages. Again if true we are better off without him. Its a transfer i didnt understand in the first place. If we are going to sign an understudy for reina surely we can get one from these shores as good as doni that also counts as being homegrown leaving the foreigner spaces freed up for outfield players.

Reports are suggesting maxi has requested to leave for free back to argentina. Last season i would have said get rid but maxi showed how he is capable of contributing at the end of the season so now id be sorry to see him go. Surely these reports are mis quoted and maxi wants to see how kennys project will develop.

Lastly apparently villa are playing hardball and want 20 million for downing. If thats the case i would say thanks but no thanks. For that money there are better younger alternatives abroad. It would be maddness to bow to such demands for a player in my mind is a mediocre english player. He is not worth 3 times what city paid for adam johnson
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 15, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
agreed, Juan.....for those who want CL football (read the subtext - MORE MONEY), let them go elsewhere.  We want quality people, physically and mentally.

re Maxi - I have always been a fan.  His critics are too stupid to realise that when we play hoof-ball to Carroll (as we did a couple of times last season), then you might as well sell technical lads like maxi.  If you play the game correctly (like we did 20 years ago, then lads like maxi are worth gold.  For goodness sake Kenny, do not let Maxi go.  And I also read the moronic notion that Moreless will be let go, or will be working from the bench next season.  That is sheer madness.  The lad is pure class.....excellent technical ability (like Maxi).

agreed Tes - local lads will not be liable to leave us - unless for larger salaries at clubs like chelsea, city or man utd (maybe barca, madrid, inter milan).  We will essentially have them for life.

And I agree re what we see at United right now, is not unlike Liverpool FC around 1990.  The phenonomonoin onin that blew in 25 years ago, is in his twilight years.  The era of bullying the league is coming to a close.  They are in financial turmoil - they cannot afford to fail.  That is a helluva pressure for any new manager to come in to.

Having said all that, as you point out, Kenny is no spring chicken.  He will instil a Liverpool feel to the club again.  But beyond 3 or 4 years, I think we need to be looking at someone a tad fresher.  I do not imagine Kenny, being like a bobby robson or a fergie, and working until he is 70 years old.  He has all the money he needs and no need for the hassle.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 15, 2011, 06:46:07 PM
Agreed Juan, Downings not worth 20mill. He has had a couple of serious injuries aswell. I would be interested if we could get him for 14/15 million. I've got a couple of mates who are Villa fans and they rate Downing better than Young.

On Maxi, he had a great couple of games at the end of the season but he's on a big wage and for most of his LFC career went missing and didnt produce the goods. So him returning home is for the best all round
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 15, 2011, 07:27:07 PM
If anyones interested Hendersons starting for the u21's and its about to kickoff
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 16, 2011, 01:06:46 AM
Sky sports are reporting that liverpool will hold talks with adam this week. Good news although i am more than a little perplexed with the number of central midfield players we will have in the team. After the phil jones episode id expect fergie to register his interest soon.

I knew ferguson couldnt help himself. The stars reporting that fergie will make a late 12 million bid for adam. After kennys attempt to snatch phil jones fergie is just trying to up adams price.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2011, 11:23:31 AM
If the Mancs bid £12M or Blackpool are looking for anything above £8M, we should walk away. He's a Championship (Blackpool's new status) player in the last year of his contract. Paying anything above £5M + add ons would be daft as we can get him on a free next Summer and it would be a good oportunity to see if he maintains his 'form' next season.

Whilst Maxi is a class player in the right system, considering his age and salary and the fact that he's obviously not totally commited, then I'd let him go but make sure we replace him with the same sort of technical player.

Downing is a more intelligent and technically strong player than Young and has a very good right foot. He would give us the option to use him on either side, however, £20M is too much, but we're a victim of the fact that Young only has a year on his contract and will go for far less, so Villa, quite rightly, are trying to maximum what they get for Downing in order to make up for losing both 'wingers' in the same window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s38jnV1FyKo&feature=player_embedded#at=11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s38jnV1FyKo&feature=player_embedded#at=11)

Note how much Downing uses his right foot.

I think that Moussa Sissoko of Toulouse would be a more cost effective and better signing than Adam, whilst Mata of Valencia and Payet of St Etienne would be better / replacement for Downing or Maxi.
As long as they could all settle into English football, of course.

If we're even thinking about stumping up £20M for Downing, then surely Adam Johnson would be a better use of the money.

We still need to be sharper with our transfer business so we don't miss out on the likes of Daniel Sturridge (free - Chelsea value him @ £15-£20M), Gary Cahill (£5M - Bolton value him @ £15-£20M) and Adam Johnson (£7.5M - Man City value @ circa £20M). That's £60M worth at current club/market value that could have been purchased for around 20% of that and improved the squad at the time(s) they were purchased by their current clubs and would still be seen as an improvement to our squad even now.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 16, 2011, 07:24:32 PM
One piece of news i didnt see coming was that Kryiakos has signed a new one year deal. I like the guy, hes a tough tackling honest player who is at times limited in his ability but a good squad player none the less.  Still thought he was on his way this summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2011, 09:18:58 PM
One piece of news i didnt see coming was that Kryiakos has signed a new one year deal. I like the guy, hes a tough tackling honest player who is at times limited in his ability but a good squad player none the less.  Still thought he was on his way this summer.

Is this an indicator that either we're struggling to get our central defensive targets or that there aren't the players available at the sort of prices the manager thinks provide us with value. If either are true, then it's a good idea to give Kos a year's extension. Although Upson, for example is available on a free and of similar age, we wouldn't be able to simply offer him a year's contract with little or no pricey signing on fee.

But if the above is true, it's good to see we're just buying for the sake of. We're using what we've already if an obvious, affordable improvement isn't available.
Sakho has declared he's staying at PSG for at least this season, and we have been heavily linked with him, so maybe we're holding fire until there's a chance of him being available next Summer. I think it makes it more likely that Agger will be the one to go, due to his value and inability to be available for selection on a regular enough basis.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 16, 2011, 11:09:18 PM
Doesnt martin kelly want to end up playing central defence also. Even with krgy signing on for another year i think we have to stregthen the defence. In fairness its been shored up under kenny but we still need a top centre back and left back too.

More transfer news coming from the club is that sylvian marveaux is undergoing a medical and will sign depending he passes it.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2011, 11:55:12 PM
Doesnt martin kelly want to end up playing central defence also. Even with krgy signing on for another year i think we have to stregthen the defence. In fairness its been shored up under kenny but we still need a top centre back and left back too.

More transfer news coming from the club is that sylvian marveaux is undergoing a medical and will sign depending he passes it.

There's a definate need for at least one centre half, if not two. Whether they're available at the right price is another matter. For example:


Stoke steal a march on Liverpool and Spurs with £12m bid for Birmingham defender Dann

16th June 2011

Stoke have made a club-record £12million bid for Birmingham centre half Scott Dann.
Liverpool and Tottenham are also considering offers for Dann, 24, after missing out to Manchester United in the race for Blackburn's Phil Jones.

Aston Villa could also enter the running if ex-Birmingham boss Alex McLeish becomes their manager.
But Stoke have made the first move for Dann, who has been widely expected to leave Birmingham since their relegation.
That bid for Dann will increase speculation over captain Ryan Shawcross's future at the Britannia Stadium.

Liverpool would be interested if Stoke indicate they will listen to offers for the £15m-rated defender.
Tottenham are also in the market for a centre back with Sebastien Bassong and Younes Kaboul set to leave White Hart Lane.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004468/Stoke-steal-march-Liverpool-Spurs-12m-Dann-bid.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004468/Stoke-steal-march-Liverpool-Spurs-12m-Dann-bid.html)

£12M for Dann, £15M for Shawcross? Are either of them worth those sort of price tags?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2011, 11:56:30 PM
Let's hope if Marveaux signs that he's overcome his injury problems.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 17, 2011, 12:02:29 PM
I'm off to Anfield! Udinese star Zapata shuns City and Arsenal for Liverpool

17th June 2011


Liverpool are closing in on the capture of Udinese defender Cristian Zapata after the Colombia international revealed he is on the brink of moving to Anfield.

After missing out on the signing of England Under 21 star Phil Jones to rivals Manchester United, Reds boss Kenny Dalglish has had to move quickly to secure a top defensive target.

Manchester City and Arsenal have both monitored the 24-year-old centre-half, who can also operate at either full-back position, with serious interest while keen German giants Bayern Munich will be left disappointed.

But Zapata, who has two years left to run on his contract with the Serie A side, admitted he in on the verge of joining Liverpool following the forthcoming Copa America in Argentina.

'I do not know what to say, I can say that I am very close to Liverpool,' Zapata told radio station La FM.

'At the end of the Copa America, we will see what happens with my future.

'I have gained experience, but the time has come for me to make the jump to a big team.'

The deal adds to a busy summer already in the transfer market for Dalglish. The Reds boss has secured the arrival of £16million Sunderland midfielder Jordan Henderson and is soon to seal the services of France winger Sylvain Marveaux.
The 25-year-old will arrive from Rennes on a five-year deal believed to worth £60,000 a week.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004624/Liverpool-close-Cristian-Zapata.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2004624/Liverpool-close-Cristian-Zapata.html)


"'I do not know what to say, I can say that I am very close to Liverpool,' Zapata told radio station La FM." - so don't say anything until everything's completed.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 17, 2011, 12:59:03 PM
Viva Zapata!!!!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 17, 2011, 01:20:46 PM
Viva Zapata!!!!

When I read 'Zapata' it reminds me of the captions that used to come up on the old Batman series, 'pow', 'zplat', 'zock' etc. Dude and ASI will know what I'm on about.  ;D


And for 'the youngsters': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDc-1zfffMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDc-1zfffMw)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 17, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
excatly, Tes......reminds me of the same.

 ;D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 17, 2011, 10:27:42 PM
Doni's move from Roma is apparently back on after he turned down the move due to the level of salary offered, instead he prefered to go to  Galatasaray, who were interested. Now, apparantly, Gala are instead looking at Nando Muslera of Lazio, so it looks like it could be back on.

He's hardly crawling over broken glass to come here, reserve keeper or not. Is this the sort of player we really want?


Also, according to Shankleygates and Click Liverpool, Sylvain Marveaux's failed his medical and the medical staff are concerned about the groin injury he's had for most of last season. Good to see we're not repeating the Degen, Aquilani and Aurelio fiascos of recent seasons.

Talking of Aquilani, according to http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/dalglish-drops-asking-price-to-8m-for-want-away-midfielder/ (http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/dalglish-drops-asking-price-to-8m-for-want-away-midfielder/) we're dropping our asking price to £8M in order to sell before we have to pay Roma the final instalment of £4.4M at the end of June.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 18, 2011, 01:21:35 AM
doni should be history......let him find himself a club now.

marveleyex is injury prone.....why we bring in such people, I have no clue.

interesting re aquilini......he's a helluva buy for someone, at 8 million.


Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 18, 2011, 07:55:14 AM
Marveaux is a big gamble, but as Tes states above this deal looks dead.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 18, 2011, 08:28:23 AM
Marveaux is a big gamble, but as Tes states above this deal looks dead.

Marveaux has signed for Newcastle, reports state that he could not agree his contractual terms with LFC and that he did not fail the medical as reported by some.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 18, 2011, 09:57:08 AM
In other words we were not offering him silly money to be a squad player, whereas Newcastle have offered him a five year contract (which I doubt we would have offered), probably on more money, to be a first team player.

He either wanted to play for us or he didn't, the contract levels should have been secondary - if he chooses to go to Newcastle for a longer contract and/or more money, then we're well shot of him. Afterall, he'd not exactly be on minimum wage at Anfield.

Wearing the badge first, swelling the bank balance second.   
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 18, 2011, 10:24:38 AM
It just goes to show the actual footballing ambition the guy has. At 25 you would expect his next move to be motivated by football but clearly not. Kenny,  Comolli and Fsg need to keep up the good work.

Apparently Doni turned down a contract of just under 1million a year because Roma pay him 2.5. For me another case of on yer bike son
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 18, 2011, 10:29:34 AM
Same with Adam if as reported united are willing to pay 15 million call their bluff let them have him. Put the money toward javi martinez or the likes.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 18, 2011, 01:05:07 PM
It's great to see we're not caving in to or handing out ridiculously priced or lengthy contracts to players who almost certainly won't be in the strongest 1st eleven and would face a fight to get in the matchday squad of 18.

Statistically, Adam is an upgrade on Meireles, 12 goals and 9 assists compared to 5 goals and 5 assists, plus he's younger, cheaper, left footed (bringing balance) and Scottish (need a Scotsman in the team in order to win the title at some point - history dictates such), so why am I not convinced?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 18, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
Know what you mean re adam tes. To be honest i would like us to sign him but 10-12 million would be as high as i would bid. He has the possibility to be a good player for us, his set pieces have been very good and would mean better options but my fear would be whether he could replicate his form at blackpool consistently for ourselves.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 18, 2011, 03:54:50 PM
Just read there that bojan is set to tie up a 10 million move to roma. If we are talking about spending 10 million on conor wickham i would look to bojan instead. The only reason he isnt a regular for barca is because messi and villa are so good
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 18, 2011, 09:00:30 PM
Just read there that bojan is set to tie up a 10 million move to roma. If we are talking about spending 10 million on conor wickham i would look to bojan instead. The only reason he isnt a regular for barca is because messi and villa are so good

It highlights just how pricey English players are. £10M is an awful lot for a player who has yet to even play in the Premier League and has hardly shown himself to be prolific in the division below.

Roma seem to have a fair bit of cash since the takeover and £10M for Bojan could prove to be a very shrewd investment.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 18, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
Know what you mean re adam tes. To be honest i would like us to sign him but 10-12 million would be as high as i would bid. He has the possibility to be a good player for us, his set pieces have been very good and would mean better options but my fear would be whether he could replicate his form at blackpool consistently for ourselves.

Also, we wouldn't be building the team around him like Blackpool have done. Maybe that would suit him or maybe that's what needs to happen, it's very hard to gauge. Would he be able to cope with the pressure and levels of expectation?

Maybe it will all be a moot discussion anyway:

Alex McLeish prepares £9m bid for Charlie Adam 

Saturday 18th June 2011



Villa were today ready to hijack Liverpool’s move for Charlie Adam as part of Alex McLeish’s rebuilding job.

The Blackpool midfielder is available for £9m after the Tangerines’ relegation to the Championship and Villa are ready to revive their interest after McLeish’s appointment yesterday.

They were linked with a swoop in January and asked to be kept informed of developments with Liverpool also keen on the playmaker.

Reports suggested big spending Liverpool had entered into preliminary talks with Blackpool this week but sources close to Adam insisted he is yet to directly speak to any club.

McLeish gave Adam his Rangers debut in 2003 and he made 86 appearances for the Scottish giants.

The 52-year-old then handed the midfielder his Scotland bow in a 1-0 win against Austria in Vienna in 2007.

Blackpool are ready to cash in on the 25-year-old – whom they bought from Rangers for £500,000 in 2009 – despite triggering a 12-month extension to his contract in May.

Adam has made it clear he will not stay at Bloomfield Road following relegation and after moves to Liverpool and Tottenham collapsed in January.

Villa will have cash to spend when Ashley Young completes his £16m move to Manchester United and need to beef up their midfield after the exit of Nigel Reo-Coker.

McLeish, controversially appointed as Villa boss after quitting Blues on Sunday, spoke to owner Randy Lerner about transfer targets during his interview and has been linked with a swoop for former charge Scott Dann.

Meanwhile, Gabby Agbonlahor has pleaded with Villa fans to give McLeish a chance. They are still angry he joined from their bitter rivals – especially after Blues were relegated last season.

But the striker said: “To those Villa fans who don’t seem to be happy with his appointment, my message is simply to give him a chance and see what he can do. He’ll do well here. He’ll do a good job for the club.

“For him to take on this challenge shows he has the belief that he can do a job here at Villa. It’s a move that only a man with a lot of courage and self-belief would make and people have to respect that.”



http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/18/alex-mcleish-prepares-9m-bid-for-charlie-adam/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/06/18/alex-mcleish-prepares-9m-bid-for-charlie-adam/)

Look like he has two years left on his contract. That would partly explain the prices being regularly quoted in the media.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 22, 2011, 10:05:18 AM
I realise this is from Goal.com and they're claiming it as an 'exclusive', which they do with most articles, but Payet's been mentioned by many sources since January:


Liverpool weigh up £6m bid for St-Etienne winger Dimitri Payet following collapse of Sylvain Marveaux deal

22 Jun 2011


Liverpool are weighing up a bid for Saint-Etienne star Dimitri Payet, but will not pay the French club's £11 million asking price.

Damien Comolli, the Reds' director of football, is a huge admirer of the winger having worked with him at Saint-Etienne before leaving for Liverpool last November.

Payet, 24, is the subject of interest from Qatari-owned Paris Saint-Germain as well as French champions Lille, who are looking to replace Arsenal-bound Gervinho.

The France international is aware of interest from Liverpool and Goal.com understands he has been told that the Reds could be ready to enter the bidding as manager Kenny Dalglish looks to add some wide men to his squad.

Dalglish wants at least two wingers and is hoping to clinch the signing of £15m-rated Aston Villa star Stewart Downing.

But he is targeting at least one more wide player in the summer transfer window, having already missed out on Ashley Young and seen a move for Sylvain Marveaux fall through, amidst suggestions he failed a medical.

Comolli would be willing to pay around £6m for Payet, who scored 13 goals in 33 appearances last season and has been capped three times for the France national team.

Payet, who is under contract until 2013, is believed to favour a move to Anfield but Saint-Etienne will have to lower their expectations over the transfer value.

The French club's president, Roland Romeyer, revealed earlier this month that he had been in touch with English sides but insisted he would not let his star player leave on the cheap.

“There have also been calls from England,” said Romeyer. “But there is no question of letting Dimitri leave at any price.”

Another problem for Liverpool is the bad blood felt by Saint-Etienne after former Tottenham director Comolli criticised the working environment at the Stade Geoffroy-Guichard.

Romeyer has said he felt “betrayed” by Comolli after he quit the club and accused him of squandering money on signings.

PSG's interest in Payet is becoming increasingly apparent, with reports suggesting the capital club have offered €8m (£7m) plus Jeremy Clement for the playmaker.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/06/22/2542541/liverpool-weigh-up-6m-bid-for-st-etienne-winger-dimitri (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/06/22/2542541/liverpool-weigh-up-6m-bid-for-st-etienne-winger-dimitri)

I don't understand why we're haggling so much over the price. We lashed out huge sums without blinking an eye on two English players who each had barely one season's experience in the Premier League, yet we're baulking at circa £11M for a full French international, who not only plays as a winger but scores goals too. Lack of Premier League experience can't be why we're reluctant, otherwise why stump up such huge amounts seemingly very willingly for Henderson and Carroll? Yet again, we seem happy to be right in there with Downing, who's valued at around twice Payet's fee.

Payet could be a real bargain and free up transfer funds for other positions.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 22, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
Know what you mean tes so far if im to be very honezt i havent understood liverpools transfer strategy aside from their desire to get british / premier proven players. When the likes of comolli says he is working on transfer targets from january you why then does it take so long to sign players in the summer. This isnt a criticism just an ignorance to the workings of transfer dealings. Like charlie adam for instance surely if kenny wanted him as a first teamer he would be a liverpool player by now. I also never understand why at times we can seemingly work on one deal at a time. Do we not have a team of negotiators or does comolli have be the sole negotiator for every deal.

I hope kenny and comolli are wise with this transfer budget. More players like suarez is what we need. Surely links to the likes of john o shea are nothing more than lazy journailm
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 23, 2011, 09:56:19 PM
Apparently Villa are asking £19M for Downing who's 27 soon and we're looking at selling Meirelles for £12-£15M.
Hope that's no true.

If Villa hold out for anything above £15M, then we'd be better off looking at N'Zogbia, who is younger and cheaper and is capable of being anything Downing would be within the team.

If we're prepared to spend circa £20M on a Premier League wide player, surely we'd be better off trying everything to get Adam Johnson, who whilst being right footed, does play a lot on the left like Downing.   
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 23, 2011, 10:35:16 PM
If Downing is certain he doesn't want to sign another contract at Villa then he needs to come out and say it. Once McLeish has been convinced the player doesn't want to remain then he has no option but to let him go. That's how Manure got Young.

Whilst LFC can make an approach the player also has a job to do if he wants to move. It looks to me as though Downing is hedging his bets in case a move doesn't take place. That's understandable to a degree but only he knows how much he wants the move.

I'm disappointed Meireles is possibly up for sale. He's been very effective.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 23, 2011, 10:59:55 PM
Not sure where these reports regarding Meireles have come from but I'd not take them too seriously.  The only club I heard that were interested in him was Inter and supposedly they've denied this already.

Regarding Downing, I've never personally rated him.  I would much rather us go for a younger more exciting player like Jeffren.  £19m for Downing is taking the p**s, nationality  aside.  Oh and talking of taking the p**s, how about £10m for Wickham of Ipswich?  Money (Sky) has ruined the game!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 23, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
Can't agree with you about Downing Gurdeep. We need width on the left wing and someone who can deliver crosses for Carroll. Otherwise it's a bit like buying a big howitzer and not having any ammunition for it. If you mean Jeffren Suarez he's a risky buy. Downing is Premiership-proven and worth the extra.

Jeffren might be a decent backup player but we shouldn't risk what is an important strategic position with someone who has no experuience in England. We've been bitten many time already with prospective talent that couldn't hack it.

£10M for Wickham isn't too bad. He could be a great player but even if he isn't his resale value wouldn't be too much lower and his wages wouldn't be that high.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 23, 2011, 11:53:25 PM
I don't think Downing putting in a transfer request would help bring down the price. One of the most interesting things about this Summer's window is the relatively high prices and valuations on players in the last year of their contracts. Villa seem to have a bit of a knack here. They held out over Barry when he had two years left on his contract and got a good fee off City with just a year remaining, they've got a very good fee for Young from the other side of Manchester and having lost Young will hold out against us I'm sure. Firstly, because they won't want to be replacing two wingers in one Summer window and secondly, because the case has been proven that even with a year left you can still command a decent fee (Young again and Barry).

Also the fee being mentioned for Enrique is four times what we got for Arbeloa in the same situation just two Summers ago. As an extension to this, the fees being asked by the newly relegated (ex) Premiership teams in their 'fire sales' appear vastly inflated from previous Summers.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on June 24, 2011, 01:51:52 PM
Not sure where these reports regarding Meireles have come from but I'd not take them too seriously.  The only club I heard that were interested in him was Inter and supposedly they've denied this already.


The other club linked is Juve...of 'we wish to buy aquilani for 15 mil but actually can't afford it so can we have him for 5 please after using him for a year' fame...

The actual thought of selling meireles at all is pure insanity but to juve just adds to the madness! Maybe they'd like us to have a 2 year loan deal..and then come short yet again...'

I know football's gone mad but not this mad...

p.s. think about 15 mil is about right for downing...all this 19 mil crapola is the first bid..serious haggling is needed... he's 27 so maximum got 4 years left...
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 24, 2011, 07:04:11 PM
£10M for Wickham isn't too bad. He could be a great player but even if he isn't his resale value wouldn't be too much lower and his wages wouldn't be that high.

When you put it that way regarding wages etc then yes, your absolutely right.  But the Downing issue, we'll have to agree to disagree..... He's only a few years away from being 30, and to be honest I really don't remember him ever terrorising premier league defences.  £19m is way overpriced. 

On Meireles, I sincerely hope we do not sell him.  He is quality and has shown that last season under Kenny. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 24, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
Tes, agreed that we seem to have a poor record when it comes to trying to get players from Villa. Manure have the advantage of being champions and able to offer CL football whereas we can't.

Gurdeep, Downing is 26 (27 on 22/7) so is coming into his best form. By the time he's 30 we'll possibly have someone from the reserves who can play left wing. He's a quality stop-gap for 3-4 years. As to whether he's quality or not we'll both have to defer to Kenny on that.

Agreed on Meireles. I hope these are just rumours because I really like what he had to offer last season. The only thing I can think of that he might be sold is that he has to play central midfield to get the best out of him whereas Adam may be more adapable. Note the word may.

It seems a deal may be struck for Adam this weekend. The Daily Mirror are reporting a meeting tomorow between Oyston and Commolli. Hopefully we can get him before Manure try to mess up the deal as we tried with Jones. You know what red nose is like!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 24, 2011, 08:33:51 PM
Additionally as no-one seems to want Aquilani then Meirelles may be a victim of this also. We need one or two (read seven or eight) off the wage bill before we can add any more to it. Aquilani coming back simply increases the problems. So if Aquilani can't be sold then maybe Meirelles will be if he can be.

Jeffren Suarez, Xherdan Shaqiri and of course Juan Mata, are all quality wide players we've been linked with to varying degrees and would offer better all round value than Downing. Whether they'd adapt and flourish in the bearpit of the Premier League is the £19M question.

So far the deadwood has been shifting like deadwood does - not at all. This I feel will be a bigger problem than attracting the right calibre of player, at the right price.
We are still an attractive club, whereas the players that need shipping out are neither attractive in terms of quality or in wage terms (unless they're all prepared to take pay cuts to actually play regular football).
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 24, 2011, 11:44:19 PM
I seem to have physic powers!  ;D

David Maddock in the Mirror has an exclusive suggesting Downing has handed in a transfer request.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-target-Stewart-Downing-set-to-hand-in-Aston-Villa-transfer-request-to-force-through-Reds-move-article752260.html

I agree that we have a lot of dead wood that needs clearing and that may be the reason for the lack of new players. But what isn't good enough for Liverpool will certainly be good enough for lesser teams. They're probably waiting in the hope the prices will drop. Can't blame them can we?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 24, 2011, 11:59:33 PM
I think it's more the wage demands of the deadwood that is proving the problem rather than what we are asking. We'd literally give them away, but then there's the paying up of their contract and the fact that they won't want to take a drop in wages.
Two things I don't understand when this sort of scenario plays out. Firstly, whilst they won't get the whole of their contract paid up, they will get a good portion of it, then additionally, the salary from their new club, therefore they're being paid twice for the same period going forward. Secondly, they will get a chance to play first team football, week in, week out. Surely that has to be worth taking a drop in wages.
Afterall, we're still talking about earning 10s of thousands of pounds a week, not going from £600 to £300.

So Downing and Adam look like arriving. Slowly that Blackburn team is being reincarnated and that's the one thing that keeps me sane about our last two signings and the players we are most strongly linked with. Now for our David May, Colin Hendry and Graham Le Saux.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on June 25, 2011, 12:05:25 PM
Like Gurdeep I'm not that impressed by Downing. Adam I always felt is good move as it signs we're trying to get players with the right attitude. A tad worrying tho is that Kenny and Comolli seem to completely have forgotten about our poor defence. It's amazing we haven't been more strongly linked with a good CB or two. Carra is good in ca 25 games, the rest of the games he'll cost us. Skrtel is and always will be a liability. Agger make Aruelio look like fitness itself. In short, we don't have stable and good enough CB's and that will cost us dearly. Unless we improve our defence our team will continue to stutter and produce inconsistent results. This really is a worry to me. It's unbelieveable how some players even dare mentioning the title with such a weak back line.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 25, 2011, 08:33:37 PM
There's time yet, Martin, but I know what you mean and how it 'appears'. Soto has signed for another year, so all is well.  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Edward224 on June 26, 2011, 12:50:21 PM
Downing would be a good addition and I will tell you all why.

The balance in our midfield currently is not really all that good. An authentic left winger like Downing would offer us that balance similar to what Riera did in 08/09 but Downing for me is better than Riera.

Downing is fast, has great delivery and also has a good shot on him. True he isn't a dribbler in the true sense of the definition of one, but he has assets in his game that would be very useful for us.

I think anywhere between £16m - £19m would be a reasonable fee because we would be buying a player in the prime of his career where his next 2-3 years should be the best for him.

So I am all for signing Downing. Definitely.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on June 26, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
There's time yet, Martin, but I know what you mean and how it 'appears'. Soto has signed for another year, so all is well.  :D

True, tes there's still time. Question is tho, will there be any money left?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
True, tes there's still time. Question is tho, will there be any money left?


According to reports we're in negotiations with Moussa Sissoko, along with Newcastle and Inter. At 21, he would be an excellent buy, but unless there really is a huge warchest, then we could find ourselves short of the required fees to land both a top class left back and a centre half. When you look around the potential first eleven, and then beyond that to the wider squad, we are needing quite a few players, both to add depth and quality.

It would be interesting to know how Dalglish and Comolli have prioritised things and what positions appear where in that list. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
I think the other reason that we're prioritising English players is due to the quota system.
On most people's 'to sell' list would be Cole, Konchesky and Brad Jones. That's 3 less English / homegrown players we can name in our 25 and the likes of Kelly, Flannagan and Robinson aren't included due to their age.
Spearing now would be a named player.

The idea of Martinez and Mata is great, in theory, however, what happens when Barca or Real come calling in 2 or 3 years. Even if we were competing for the league and matching the performances of at least one of them (Real most likely) in the CL every season, winning La Liga for a Spaniard would mean more than winning the PL and even if they were paid the exact same salary, they'd keep much more in Spain due to the more beneficial tax rules.

Maybe Dalglish has looked at what happened to our team that included Alonso, Mascherano and Torres (Reina has also been close to being added to that list) and decided that we can plan long term for stability and continuity if we run the risk of some of our top players being tempted to 'return home'.

I guess we will always be at a disadvantage over Chelsea and Arsenal (the London factor) and the Salford Mancs in attracting and keeping hold of our players. The generation of players we are looking at and will be looking at for a number of years yet, have grown up with the Mancs being the biggest team in England, both in terms of success and financial performance. Unfortunately a club's financial situation seems to play an ever increasing role in the media deciding and pushing who's a 'big club'. Look at how quickly Chelsea have been propelled to 'big club' status in the minds of the media and a lot of players.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Kopite999 on June 27, 2011, 05:06:17 PM
Spot on Tes with regards to Spanish lads. They will always see playing for Real and Barca as the ultimate. But if either were to sign we'd spend 20 million and in 3/4/5 years time hopefully we'd make a huge profit on them. But we're Liverpool so should we really be buying players that we know will want a move sooner or later
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 27, 2011, 11:46:20 PM
Spot on Tes with regards to Spanish lads. They will always see playing for Real and Barca as the ultimate.

May be but the same could be said of McManaman or Owen and they were English 

And what's happening on the transfer front?  We're now being linked with Aaron Lennon (get ready for a shafting by Arry) and some fella named Sissouku.  Adam, how long??  Whilst the Mancs seem to be getting their business done swiftly.

Mata now being liked heavily with the bottom, Tiago Al 'whateverhisnameis' with MU whilst we're still trying to tie up Downing and Adam.  Reminds me of the Parry days all this malarchy......
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2011, 12:23:11 AM
Gurdeep, Moussa Sissoko is a top class player, seen as Gerrard's replacement. Has a bit (well actually more than a bit) of everything. Tackle, pass short and long, times his runs well into the box, quick and strong.

It does seem like we're taking forever but as each transfer is different and it depends on the value to a club our target holds both financially and football wise and then if the chairmen is dick to deal with like Oyston's proving to be and like Perez and Jean-Michel Aulas of Lyon and Maurizio Zamparini, president of Palermo.

As for Owen, Macmanaman there are few English/British players who really fancy trying their hand abroad or who are actively wanted by foreign clubs.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 28, 2011, 07:10:37 PM
I agree to an extent about foreign players after the whole Mascherano, Alonso, Torres debacle. I would also like to see a core of British players complemented by some top foreign talent. However I think we are over talking the Real/Barca pull factor. Alonso left us because Rafa tried to sell him. If we are to be honest with ourselves Torres and Mascherano left because of broken promises and our inability to compete in the league. As much as I hate to say it Mascheranos move has been justified by the fact hes now in the Barca team and hes won the double.

I think it will be wrong of the club (whoevers controlling transfers) to buy British for the sake of buying British. I understand we are looking for proven Premiership proven quality but we also have to look at the likes of Suarez to see what good value foreign players can be. If he were english he'd have cost 50 million. So although I understand the need to buy English I still think we should be signing the best players wherever they are from.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2011, 08:24:41 PM
It's all a tough balancing act. Juan, I totally agree that the player's technical ability is paramount as is his particular qualities that would allow him to fit perfectly into the team, complementing others' qualities and flaws.
Unfortunately, we do however have to provide 8 homegrown players out of our named 25 and under 21s don't count essentially, in that we can have as many under 21s as we want and naming any of them to make the 8 would be a waste of a place. Having 8 'established' qualifying players + as many suitable under 21s would be the best usage of the 'squad' within the rules.

Also the lack of any European football is a hurdle. It's become a bandwagon a lot of players have jumped on to claim they want Champions League football. It's not just the 'names'. Gervinho and Payet are the latest pair to play the card. That was the reason Young gave for wanting to leave Villa. It seems winning a domestic championship title, especially if it's a foreign one, doesn't seem as important as playing in the Champions League.
Do we really want those sort of players?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2011, 10:10:42 PM
Wickham to have Sunderland medical 'within 24 hours' after £13m bid accepted by Ipswich

By Colin Young   28th June 2011



Connor Wickham was in Sunderland on Tuesday night to complete his £13million move from Ipswich.

Sunderland boss Steve Bruce has seen off competition from  Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham to put together a package which will land the England Under 21 striker today. Wickham was having a medical last night and concluding talks over personal terms.
Ipswich have accepted a down payment of £8.1million, which will rise by another £5m dependent on goals, appearances, European qualification and future England appearances. Only Liverpool are believed to have made a bid for Wickham since the end of last  season but their offer was £2m lower.

Wickham, who became Ipswich’s youngest-ever player at 16 years and 11 days when he came on as a substitute against Doncaster in April 2009, scored the winning goal in England’s Under 17s European Championship final win against Spain last summer.

The 6ft 3in teenager fell out of favour during Roy Keane’s tenure at Portman Road, but Paul Jewell brought him back into the side when he took over in January and the striker repaid him with nine goals.

Bruce is also hoping to seal a £5m deal for  Birmingham City’s Craig Gardner. The midfielder, expected on  Wearside for a medical and talks today, is set to be Bruce’s fifth signing since Jordan Henderson was sold to Liverpool.

The Sunderland manager, armed with cash from the Henderson and Darren Bent deals, has also added Sweden international Seb Larsson and Republic of Ireland keeper Keiren Westwood on free transfers. He is waiting for a work permit to enable South Korea teenage striker Ji Dong-won to complete his £2m move from Chunnam Dragons.

Bruce is still interested in making Manchester United trio Darron Gibson, Wes Brown and John O’Shea part of his squad, along with Wigan’s Charles N’Zogbia and Liverpool striker David Ngog.

But it is the landing of Wickham ahead of three clubs from the top six which will delight Bruce.

The promise of regular first team football has given Sunderland the edge over their rivals, as well as their ability to match Ipswich’s  asking price.

Wickham first caught the eye of the top clubs three seasons ago and former Sunderland and Ipswich Jewell was resigned to losing the teenager after Ipswich’s failure to win promotion last season.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2009203/Connor-Wickham-Sunderland-medical-24-hours.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2009203/Connor-Wickham-Sunderland-medical-24-hours.html)

So they're using the Henderson money we gave them to beat us to one of our targets. Seems a good deal, if true, only £8M up-front. They've got a better deal in terms of a larger amount in add-ons and a small percentage up-front out of a lower total fee than we negotiated with them for Henderson.
Whoever handles Sunderland's negotiations is playing a blinder this Summer.

Still we've got Adam Morgan, who is different to our other strikers and should hopefully be ready as Dirk is bowing out. Wickham is reasonably similar to Carroll, so at least Morgan offers something different and we haven't duplicated on striker types.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 28, 2011, 10:42:18 PM
It's all a tough balancing act. Juan, I totally agree that the player's technical ability is paramount as is his particular qualities that would allow him to fit perfectly into the team, complementing others' qualities and flaws.
Unfortunately, we do however have to provide 8 homegrown players out of our named 25 and under 21s don't count essentially, in that we can have as many under 21s as we want and naming any of them to make the 8 would be a waste of a place. Having 8 'established' qualifying players + as many suitable under 21s would be the best usage of the 'squad' within the rules.

Also the lack of any European football is a hurdle. It's become a bandwagon a lot of players have jumped on to claim they want Champions League football. It's not just the 'names'. Gervinho and Payet are the latest pair to play the card. That was the reason Young gave for wanting to leave Villa. It seems winning a domestic championship title, especially if it's a foreign one, doesn't seem as important as playing in the Champions League.
Do we really want those sort of players?

It is a bit of a balancing act with the new homegrown quota rule alright Tes. But in fairness with Comolli on board there should have been and should be going forward plenty of time to identify what exactly needs to be done on that front.

Saw a tweet from Rory Smith suggesting that missing out on Jones Young and Wickham would suggest we are the same old Liverpool at getting deals done. Question marks will be raised about the effectiveness of Comollis role if we continue to miss out on top targets. I dont want to over pay for players nor do I want to make rush decisions and buy players that dont suit the club but for some reason or another we tend to get caught up with long drawn out transfer sagas. Whatever about the downing deal but why we havent the Adam deal done and dusted now is baffling.

I understand the need for quality British players but I have never been a Downing fan. For me hes a mediocre English player who we look like paying way over the odds to sign. Id sooner gamble on Mata or even try for Adam Johnson.

As for the whole debacle with Marveaux. Im not saying we should over pay these guys but there seems to be an emerging trend of not matching clubs value for a player or player wages. Its not like we are millions apart but we seem to be haggling over every last penny. In some instances I think the club is right, the Doni transfer for instance, he seemed more interested in cash. We also seem to have missed out on Payet whose going to Lille for 8 million. 

As for the likes of Gervihno hes clearly a player who only wants CL football at all costs, I would prefer we didnt sign players like him. We need players to come to the club for what it is and where its going again , if they cant see what is currently going on at the club then we are better off without them.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2011, 11:59:43 PM
It is a bit of a balancing act with the new homegrown quota rule alright Tes. But in fairness with Comolli on board there should have been and should be going forward plenty of time to identify what exactly needs to be done on that front.

Saw a tweet from Rory Smith suggesting that missing out on Jones Young and Wickham would suggest we are the same old Liverpool at getting deals done. Question marks will be raised about the effectiveness of Comollis role if we continue to miss out on top targets. I dont want to over pay for players nor do I want to make rush decisions and buy players that dont suit the club but for some reason or another we tend to get caught up with long drawn out transfer sagas. Whatever about the downing deal but why we havent the Adam deal done and dusted now is baffling.

I understand the need for quality British players but I have never been a Downing fan. For me hes a mediocre English player who we look like paying way over the odds to sign. Id sooner gamble on Mata or even try for Adam Johnson.

As for the whole debacle with Marveaux. Im not saying we should over pay these guys but there seems to be an emerging trend of not matching clubs value for a player or player wages. Its not like we are millions apart but we seem to be haggling over every last penny. In some instances I think the club is right, the Doni transfer for instance, he seemed more interested in cash. We also seem to have missed out on Payet whose going to Lille for 8 million. 

As for the likes of Gervihno hes clearly a player who only wants CL football at all costs, I would prefer we didnt sign players like him. We need players to come to the club for what it is and where its going again , if they cant see what is currently going on at the club then we are better off without them.

The thing with all these transfers we're involved in or 'missed out' on is that we don't know what the selling club are asking, what we're offering, what the player wants in terms of salary and length of contract and what we're offering them.

Payet is a shame. £8M seems a decent price. Granted he's not PL tried and tested like Johnson, or universally regarded like Mata but he is quality, a full French international and has an excellent scoring and assist record. Still, if CL football was an issue then we simply don't stand a chance ATM.

With the Jones / Henderson transfers the Mancs appeared quicker off the mark with Jones than with Henderson. Why? Who knows, but their interest appears to predate ours.

Would we be happy paying £19M for Jones? £16M for Young, who only had a year left on his deal?

So far it does 'feel' like nothing's changed too much and Sunderland and Villa are outperforming us, but I guess with having at least 5 positions, possibly 6 that we're looking to strengthen, with multiple targets for each position, then there's a lot of juggling to be done and whilst we're working on certain deals others will pass us by.
   
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 29, 2011, 12:13:22 AM
Apparently Sammy Lee has left the club......
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 29, 2011, 12:45:49 AM
kenny wants room for another midfielder.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2011, 01:14:25 AM
Apparently Sammy Lee has left the club......

I didn't know Sammy was a drinker. A bad example to young Mr Carroll.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2011, 01:15:53 AM
kenny wants room for another midfielder.

You can never have enough, just in case you misplace one or two. You know, put them in a 'safe place' then forget where that is.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2011, 01:18:38 AM
Apparently Sammy Lee has left the club......

And off to West Ham, apparently:


He's fat, he's round, he might be West Ham-bound

Tuesday, 28th June 2011


Liverpool's Sammy Lee is being hotly tipped to follow Sam Allardyce to West Ham.

The former Reds player is understood to have resigned from his position in Kenny Dalglish's backroom team tonight (for reasons as yet unknown).

And speculation is rife that Lee is set to team up with Allardyce for a second time, having become disillusioned with life at Anfield following the arrival of Steve Clarke - Gianfranco Zola's former number two at West Ham - in January.

The 52-year-old former midfielder was affectionately known as 'Little Sam' during a two-year spell as assistant to Allardyce at Bolton between 2005 and 2007.

However his attempt to step into his former boss' shoes - following Allardyce's departure from Bolton in April 2007 - lasted just six months before he was fired in October of the same year season having led the Trotters to just one win from their opening 11 league fixtures.

Lee returned to Liverpool in May 2008 as assistant to Rafa Benitez. He remained at the club following the return of another former Anfield favourite, Kenny Daglish, but is said to have been unhappy at effectively being replaced by Clarke.


http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125434 (http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=125434)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on June 29, 2011, 06:27:51 AM
Bit underwhelmed by our transfer activity to date....although Henderson is
an interesting signing, imo......The strategy appears to be to add youth (Henderson)
& depth to the squad (as evidenced by the talk about Adam & Downing). Whether the
latter 2 are first 11 in two years time & how much we should bid for them
are open to debate.....

I think it's fair to say that United have kicked our asses to date in the transfer market,
conducting their business swiftly & without fuss, while we're left to feed on overpriced scraps......
Granted, there are a lot of different factors at play but as has been noted before many times
"First is everything, second is nothing.....".  Hope to be pleasantly surprised but.......
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 29, 2011, 12:06:07 PM
Bit underwhelmed by our transfer activity to date....although Henderson is
an interesting signing, imo

we're left to feed on overpriced scraps......


We are being linked with Wayne Bridge today. Come back Konchesky all is forgiven.

If we are seriously considering signing Wayne Bridge I would start to get worried, unless hes been bought as second or third choice left back with a first choice still on the way. Its a sad reflection when we loan out our first choice and best  left back Insua yet we dont replace him.

Agreed it has been an underwhelming transfer window so far Ed. After Suarez and Carroll coming in and with Hendersons early signing I thought we would have some real quality in by now like United have done. I also thought some of the dead wood might be gone. But as Jim has said lets wait and see what the state of affairs is on September 1st. I just hope we will have most of our deals done long before then.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2011, 01:17:39 PM
Bit underwhelmed by our transfer activity to date....although Henderson is
an interesting signing, imo......The strategy appears to be to add youth (Henderson)
& depth to the squad (as evidenced by the talk about Adam & Downing). Whether the
latter 2 are first 11 in two years time & how much we should bid for them
are open to debate.....

I think it's fair to say that United have kicked our asses to date in the transfer market,
conducting their business swiftly & without fuss, while we're left to feed on overpriced scraps......
Granted, there are a lot of different factors at play but as has been noted before many times
"First is everything, second is nothing.....".  Hope to be pleasantly surprised but.......

United have certain advantages over us. Advantages that are beyond our control ATM to alter and therefore match them.
Likewise, they've had the same manager for over 20 years and Taggart is therefore building on / altering / dismantling his own work. Comolli and Dalglish are working with the efforts of those who preceeded them. Just look at the carnage from last Summer that has to be dealt with, without the likes of El Zhar, Degen etc in addition.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on June 29, 2011, 02:19:51 PM
Conor Wickhams signed for Sunderland. Not too bothered by that. What worries me is that according to SSN hes rejected the chance to come to Liverpool. That would mean we've missed yet another target. If that turns out to be true WTF is going on in the background at the club regarding transfers. United could persuade Jones to go to them even though they have about 6 centre backs already so how did we fail to beat Sunderland to a striker when thats an area we are short. At the moment Im failing to see the benefit of Comollis role. Its early days but so far for me hes not doing what he was brought in to do.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on June 29, 2011, 03:02:51 PM
You can never have enough, just in case you misplace one or two. You know, put them in a 'safe place' then forget where that is.

sammy will leave a big gap in the middle.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on June 29, 2011, 05:50:55 PM
BREAKING NEWS JUST IN via Twitter


“@John_W_Henry: Speculation on players shouldn't include those of a certain age. We are not going to be successful by merely filling short-term needs at LFC”

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2011, 06:57:46 PM
Re: the issue of missing  targets. How do we know for definate who actually is a legitimate target and who has simply been watched several times and mainly for that reason, the media constantly link them with us and they become 'accepted' as a target.

Wickham is not that much older than Adam Morgan and not a whole lot younger than Carroll and very similar to Carroll. Despite watching him quite a bit, for the price it was probably felt too expensive simply to add him 'for the future' whilst not using him in the present.

As the international transfer window opens on July 1 we may start to see some movement (hopefully out as well as in). I know we all want to be back on Europe's biggest stage and being regular challengers for the title, but we've got to build for a sustained period, not just a purple patch.
 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on June 29, 2011, 09:08:56 PM
After Suarez and Carroll coming in and with Hendersons early signing I thought we would have some real quality in by now like United have done.
Yeah, agreed.....It appears they were our Marquee signings and now it's a question of adding depth and some youth??

Tbh, I'd be happy if we got the spine sorted out ('cos, imo, we're gonna win nothing 'til the centre-halves are rock solid for the whole season), added a reasonably experienced Left back, LOL, I don't want to talk about wingers because it appears not even Einstein couldn't solve that problem for us. Anyway, it kind of depends on what formations we're going to be using but, imo, we do look very compact at the moment with not alot of speed in the team.

"We are not going to be successful by merely filling short-term needs at LFC”

& certainly with Carroll, Suarez and Henderson I agree they were bought with 5 years in mind, it's just when you see the players we're now linked with and how much they could cost, I start scratching my head and going they look very short-term to me or panic buys 'cos we missed out on Young and Jones?

Advantages that are beyond our control ATM to alter and therefore match them.
Agreed, I'd just like to see a bit more creativity, buying overpriced, relegated players for the first team is not
the way forward imo.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 30, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Well here we are on Thursday evening and not a word about the transfers of Adam or Downing.

Talks with Blackpool were held over the weekend with a deal expected early this week. I can't understand why such a low key transfer is taking so long to complete. Okay, so we're loaning them a couple of players plus a few million but what's difficult about that?

And on the Downing front there's diddly squat. The Mirror reported last weekend he was going to hand in a transfer request. Well has he? Why is no-one saying anything?

I've come to the conclusion that the owners have placed a moritorium on new purchases until we have shed some dead wood. I might be right, I might be wrong but that's the only reason I can think why neither player has moved.

But who is going to buy Johanovic when his weekly wage is £130K. Same with Joe Cole. Interested parties will just bide their time hoping to get them on the cheap as we approach the transfer deadline. But we don't have the luxury of time for the players we want as someone else might jump in.

Someone has to bite the bullet and make a decision before we lose these two targets.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on June 30, 2011, 11:07:52 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the owners have placed a moritorium on new purchases until we have shed some dead wood. I might be right, I might be wrong but that's the only reason I can think why neither player has moved.

ASI, I think the nail has been hit squarely on it's head by your good self. Taking into account the comments Henry also made about the huge salaries of players who feature so little, if at all, then that's probably where we're at. We can't keep swelling the wage bill despite the need for new players. Whether we come to some arrangement with certain players in that we don't ask for a fee in return for giving them a lesser settlement on their contract, who knows. As hard as it is in a footballing sense, we have just escape the abyss thanks to the owners, let's not wish for anything that could send us in the wrong direction again.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 01, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
Tes,

I'm getting quite concerned about our situation now. Until we shed some dead wood it doesn't look as though Henry will sanction any new deals. But whilst it's reasonably easy to buy players (you just give what the selling club asks and give the player a pay rise) how on earth do you sell someone who has limited appeal because of age / lack of skill / doesn't want to leave and is on big wages and/or a long contract?

Your Bosman-style suggestion is a start. Whether any player will take it is unknown. We must have been in this situation before with surplus players but I don't know how they were resolved. Henry may not have experience of deals like this so is just hiding his cheque book. That isn't the answer.

It's a dangerous policy because if the squad don't see the new owners spend some of their own cash in this first transfer window they might worry that they're no different to H&G with all the implications that brings.

Henry keeps going on about value but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet if you want certain players. How would everyone at the club feel if Manure made a offer for Adam and it was accepted because we piddled around arguing that Adam is only worth £5M and not the £10M Blackpool claim he's worth? They might feel they owe us one after we bid for Jones.

The money spent in January was raised through the sales of Torres and Babel. So effectively you could argue they have only spent £16M on Henderson. I'm not overly worried at present but if another week goes by and nothing has transpired then I will wonder what their strategy is.

And on top of all this still nothing about the stadium plans. How long does this type of thing take?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 02, 2011, 11:42:03 PM
The Mail has us pulling out of Adam deal due to Blackpool playing 'hardball', whatever that means. Still with Meireles and Aquilani 'still here' it looks like we're going with what we already have. Also, we're apparently prepared to take a £2M hit on Konchesky (and take out a £2M hit on Hodgson for landing us with the 'alehouse four').
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 03, 2011, 09:25:43 AM
Tes, Blackpool are being obstinate because they don't get the full fee for Adam apparently. This is why they're trying to increase it. But we all know that having a player who's heart is set on a move isn't in your best interests. I suspect £1-2M more will see it pushed through. It would be madness not to complete a deal for such a good player when we're talking less that £10M.

Interesting comments from Carragher who expects substantial movements in the coming weeks. Is he trying to allay our fears that everything seems to have ground to a halt?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2011, 01:00:58 PM
Exactly, ASI. When you compare the £11M spent on Babbel, £8.5M(ish) on Dossena and £8M on Reira, £8/9M on Charlie Adam, even if he only repeats his Blackpool performances and doesn't kick on, would represent much better value and impact. He's not the most mobile, or the greatest on the defensive side, but he's by far more creative and his passing ability far better than any of our current central midfielders. Granted, we couldn't play 4-4-2 with Adam as we'd get over run in midfield, unless we had a defensive superman next to him, however it's interesting that he's started boxing training in order to get fitter (hopefully increasing his mobility) and he can be taught at least how to close down and has the intelligence to win the ball via interception.
I've always said that those who can't tackle, shouldn't.

We definately need 3 more players as a bare minimum. Left back, centre half and a wide player of some sort, whether a more traditional winger or a wide forward.

With the players we currently have at our disposal and more so if Adam is added, we do have creativity centrally, Henderson (5th highest chance creater last season, whether they were converted to assists is not his problem) adds to it further.
What we need is to solidify the defence, both centrally and at left back, then add a wide player who can feed Andy Carroll (though I really hate the whole target man / big forward philosophy) and get himself in the box when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch and add a few goals.

We have goals in the squad, especially if the new centre half can add a few aerially. It's shaping the unit and style of play to get them out of the players we have. Kuyt and Maxi typifying that point.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 03, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
I see Arsenal are linked with a 20 million swoop for Downing. If there is any truth in that I would hope Lfc walk away now. Torres cost us 20 million, Suarez cost us 20 million, Adam Johnson cost City 8 and all three of them were the right side of 25 and far better value. Surely downing doesnt fit into the clubs recruitment policy as there would arguably be liitle or no resale value should the time come a few years down the line. I want to see good value for every million we spend and 20 million for Downing doesnt represent that. There are cheaper younger alternatives out there, even here in the premier league. Nzogbia is a talent in and around the same level as Downing. Hes younger and probably wouldnt command as high a price. James Mccarthy has bags of potential, hes still got a lot of developing to do but for me signing him would represent better business than signing downing.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 03, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
Tes,

The only difference between the time we bought those players and now are these Financial Fair Play Rules from UEFA. That's what's causing this log jam of players and the lack of offers for them. The Telegraph had an article  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8611865/Fair-Play-rules-leave-clubs-with-unwanted-players-in-a-dormant-market.html)today and named Jovanovic and Cole as two difficult to shift players. It won't be easy to sell them but the prospect of them sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves might sharpen their minds.

Regarding wide players I think Martin Kelly could do a decent job for us either at wide right or right back with Johnson moved forward.

Until we lose some deadwood I think we'll have to be patient. I'm sure Adam will still prefer to join us rather than Spurs or Manure but it's something we'll need to be patient on.

Compared to Arsenal's problems ours are nothing. Wenger has real problems there not only with the players he could lose but the ownership cloud still hangs over the club. At least our owners seem stable and have the best interests of the club at heart.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2011, 11:54:04 PM
Tes,

The only difference between the time we bought those players and now are these Financial Fair Play Rules from UEFA. That's what's causing this log jam of players and the lack of offers for them. The Telegraph had an article  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8611865/Fair-Play-rules-leave-clubs-with-unwanted-players-in-a-dormant-market.html)today and named Jovanovic and Cole as two difficult to shift players. It won't be easy to sell them but the prospect of them sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves might sharpen their minds.

Regarding wide players I think Martin Kelly could do a decent job for us either at wide right or right back with Johnson moved forward.

Until we lose some deadwood I think we'll have to be patient. I'm sure Adam will still prefer to join us rather than Spurs or Manure but it's something we'll need to be patient on.

Compared to Arsenal's problems ours are nothing. Wenger has real problems there not only with the players he could lose but the ownership cloud still hangs over the club. At least our owners seem stable and have the best interests of the club at heart.

Agree with all of that ASI, and Johnson, along with Henderson, could see our right side sorted, and using the squad to it's fullest potential. The problem with Cole and Jovanovic is whether they see first team football or money as the priority. As both are approaching 30 you'd have thought it was a no brainer but I guess it's probably not as clear cut as that.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2011, 11:57:14 PM
I see Arsenal are linked with a 20 million swoop for Downing. If there is any truth in that I would hope Lfc walk away now. Torres cost us 20 million, Suarez cost us 20 million, Adam Johnson cost City 8 and all three of them were the right side of 25 and far better value. Surely downing doesnt fit into the clubs recruitment policy as there would arguably be liitle or no resale value should the time come a few years down the line. I want to see good value for every million we spend and 20 million for Downing doesnt represent that. There are cheaper younger alternatives out there, even here in the premier league. Nzogbia is a talent in and around the same level as Downing. Hes younger and probably wouldnt command as high a price. James Mccarthy has bags of potential, hes still got a lot of developing to do but for me signing him would represent better business than signing downing.

I don't quite get why Downing is constantly valued at circa £20M whilst Nzogbia, who is pretty much on a par with Downing, but appears to still be improving, is usually quoted as being much less. Downing's British birth certificate must be written on some pretty expensive paper.

Nzogbia wouldn't be the worse buy we could make this Summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 04, 2011, 10:33:30 PM
the world has crashed and burned these past 3 years;  but the only industry that is still on an ever upwards loop, is the football industry.

the going rate now seemingly for a young english lad with mere potential is 15 to 20 million.

and the going rate for a decent english premiership midfielder, with 1 to 2 years left on their contract is between 16 and 20 million quid.

and these telephone numbers don't even include wages.

that punt Murdoch, the spawn of the devil, has a lot to answer for.  Sky have ruined the game.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2011, 10:52:13 PM
Dude, it sums it up when you refer to it as an industry. Whatever happened to the sport of Association Football?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 04, 2011, 11:13:27 PM
Dude, it sums it up when you refer to it as an industry. Whatever happened to the sport of Association Football?

exactly, Tes.

I closed down my Sky subscription six or seven years ago.  I had been with them since the late 80s.

But I no longer could stomach what they were doing to the game that I loved (once loved).

I have never looked back.  For a twenty something dollars a month here, I can see all the top league games live, across the world......some days it is near 24 hour live football coverage, across several channels.

Sky is devilish.  Nothing good ever comes from Murdoch.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 05, 2011, 11:23:01 AM
The transfer window seems to be hotting up.

We have apparently made a move to steal Savic from the grasp of Man City. If we can pull it off nice one but a bit embarrassing for the club to miss out on another target to City if we dont. Risky business, you wonder why if we wanted him we didnt go for him sooner.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7021302,00.html

I see Blackpool have put a figure of 9 million on Charlie Adam. I dont think thats excessive considering the goals/assists last season, his ability on dead ball and his age. Why we are seemingly holding out for every penny we can is mystifying. Im all for being a bit more frugal with our cash but at this rate i wont be surprised to see Adam at Spurs or United. In fact United probably need him more than we do.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2011, 12:04:55 PM
The transfer window seems to be hotting up.

We have apparently made a move to steal Savic from the grasp of Man City. If we can pull it off nice one but a bit embarrassing for the club to miss out on another target to City if we dont. Risky business, you wonder why if we wanted him we didnt go for him sooner.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7021302,00.html

I see Blackpool have put a figure of 9 million on Charlie Adam. I dont think thats excessive considering the goals/assists last season, his ability on dead ball and his age. Why we are seemingly holding out for every penny we can is mystifying. Im all for being a bit more frugal with our cash but at this rate i wont be surprised to see Adam at Spurs or United. In fact United probably need him more than we do.

It's another strange one, isn't Juan, if true. The first we hear of this guy is when we're trying to steal him at the last minute from City. As you say, why didn't we go for him as soon as it became apparent we wouldn't be getting Jones?
I see no shame in losing out to a club that will simply pay 'whatever it takes' no matter how overpriced either the fee or wages are. I don't want us simply paying out money we don't have or putting ourselves in a situation where we fall foul of FFP.

At the same time, £9M is not outlandish for Adam. If he can perform to his Blackpool standards, he could be a real asset with better players getting on the end of his passes and him getting on the end of better players' passes to add a few goals himself. Let's throw in Darby, who will not beak into the squad ahead of Johnson and has been overtaken by Kelly and Flannagan. He needs first team football at this stage of his career to develop further and is really too old to remain in the reserves.

We desperately need a left back and centre half, yet we're being linked with very few centre halves - Jones, Cahill, Lovren and now this guy.
Getting a left back would mean freeing up Johnson would could play wide right very effectively. He has all the basics to pull it off, and it also leaves him free to cover Kelly also. Having Johnson wide right additionally frees Dirk up to be a striker once more, and with Suarez playing in the Copa America and Andy Carroll's recover from injury and fitness come the season's start still yet to be truly known, having Dirk free to play up front is vital.

Acquiring a left back would mean several positions could be covered and the squad used more efficiently, never mind having a specialist left back in itself.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2011, 12:12:48 PM
Jovanovic is being released on a free, or at least we won't be asking for a fee for him and Ngog may be off to Villa for £4M:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/07/05/liverpool-fc-s-milan-jovanovic-set-for-anfield-exit-100252-28995722/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/07/05/liverpool-fc-s-milan-jovanovic-set-for-anfield-exit-100252-28995722/)

Let's hope as we've shown this jesture to help Jova find another club and hopefully regular first team football, that he returns the goodwill by not asking for a ridiculous pay-off. Likewise Joe Cole. Let's not ask for a fee thereby giving the 'buying' club a chance to offer an improved salary package over what they would otherwise afford. He needs to understand that playing regular is surely better at his age than chasing the cash. Same applies to Konchelsky and Poulsen.

So how do we rid ourselves of Degen and El Zahr who were both out on loan but have not made their moves permanent? I think both are out of contract next Summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 05, 2011, 02:49:32 PM
Liverpool have also missed out on me this summer.

And they have probably missed out on my neighbour (he has gone down the chippy).

I just don't put a lot of importance on much of what I see on football-related news-breaking websites or newspapers. 

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2011, 11:06:57 PM
According to the Graudian, we've had a £15M bid for Downing turned down:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/05/stewart-downing-liverpool-aston-villa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/05/stewart-downing-liverpool-aston-villa)

That should be it. Move on to N'Zogbia. Villa are becoming tiresome.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on July 06, 2011, 01:00:10 AM
That should be it.
Absolutely!!!! tbh i thought our first offer of 12 was about right. Villa are, imo, a bunch of £$%&s, better off just not dealing with them.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
Absolutely!!!! tbh i thought our first offer of 12 was about right. Villa are, imo, a bunch of £$%&s, better off just not dealing with them.

In fairness to them Ed, they're only doing what you'd expect. Having lost Young, albeit for a decent fee for a player with just a year on his contract, they're not going to want to lose they're other first choice wide player aswell. With Downing having to years on his deal they're also in a stronger position than with Young. If we were in the same position we'd want the club to maximise what they were asking in order to replace the player(s) with the highest quality we could afford.

Until we shift the dead wood, quite rightly too, things will move more slowly. In our current position, with no CL football on offer, it will be nigh on impossible to get the absolute top drawer signings this Summer. If we don't shift the high earners now then when we look to upgrade in a year or two (as we have CL football to offer if everything goes the way we hope) on this Summer's purchases (in some cases), we will be stuck the two tiers of players we'd prefer to shift.

As a cash deal the original £12M offer was more than fair. Unfortunately for us, Villa originally overpaid when signing Downing for £12M and he's also had arguably his best season in the PL. Additionally as previously mentioned, there's also the Young factor.

The way this window's working out is hardly great for us. In addition to the obvious, the money we gave Sunderland for Henderson has been partly used to beat us to one of our 'alleged' targets and also looks like being used to rid the Mancs of some of their deadwood and give them additional funds. Taggart gets so much help from his disciples and cheerleaders in so many ways.

We need to improve so much on many aspects at the club. We need to maximise what we get for unwanted players and move the youth on for more aswell. The Mancs always seem to get top dollar for both younger players and those who have served their purpose. Hopefully once the deadwood is all previously cleared and hopefully no more added for future years, we can move much more quickly in our transfer dealings and secure our targets more swiftly and clinically.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 06, 2011, 05:25:36 PM
A deal has been agreed with Blackpool for Charlie Adam.  ;D

He's at Melwood now having a medical and agreeing personal terms. Deal to be completed tomorrow.

Fee less than £10M with some players sent on loan.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-agree-adam-deal
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on July 06, 2011, 07:06:24 PM
Excellent news! 8 mil is about right...and glen johnson has signed up til 2015...maybe he'll do for the left back...then we need a centre back and a left winger.....
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 06, 2011, 07:42:21 PM
Villa are playing hard ball with Downing. Almost a repeat performance of Barry 2 years ago. Randy Learner needs a slap!

Yes, they don't want to let him go but they didn't complain too much when they sold Young to Manure. Ultimately, the press see this sale going through as no club can afford to keep a player who wants away. Expect this to drag on for another week or so.

Barticus, don't you think Robinson could be developed as a LB? He certainly did a good job last season especially at Arsenal. Johnson could be used for the harder opposition but Robbo should be okay for the games against lesser sides.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on July 06, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Barticus, don't you think Robinson could be developed as a LB? He certainly did a good job last season especially at Arsenal. Johnson could be used for the harder opposition but Robbo should be okay for the games against lesser sides.

Absolutely...will be a great learning curve for the lad...
Ngog is now being touted as part of a possible transfer for Downing now..if i was villa i wouldn't want downing to go...with mcleish in charge and young already gone...the last thing i'd want is the other star player legging it...
he might be the difference between survival and relegation...and thus worth far more than 19 mil...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
Villa are playing hard ball with Downing. Almost a repeat performance of Barry 2 years ago. Randy Learner needs a slap!

Yes, they don't want to let him go but they didn't complain too much when they sold Young to Manure. Ultimately, the press see this sale going through as no club can afford to keep a player who wants away. Expect this to drag on for another week or so.

Barticus, don't you think Robinson could be developed as a LB? He certainly did a good job last season especially at Arsenal. Johnson could be used for the harder opposition but Robbo should be okay for the games against lesser sides.

Villa had to cash in on Young. Downing's different. In theory, at least, they can keep him for another year and then cash in. Though like you say ASI, keeping an unhappy player is not always a good thing. Conversely, Downing signed a contract so Villa don't have to sell him. Lerner's only doing what we'd all expect our club to do in the same circumstances. It's just a shame we're on the receiving end. It worked for him with Barry and he still got a decent fee for a player with just a year on his contract, as he did with Young also.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Absolutely...will be a great learning curve for the lad...
Ngog is now being touted as part of a possible transfer for Downing now..if i was villa i wouldn't want downing to go...with mcleish in charge and young already gone...the last thing i'd want is the other star player legging it...
he might be the difference between survival and relegation...and thus worth far more than 19 mil...


Eggszackerly.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2011, 08:36:02 PM
We have Adam, so when is Eve(r Banega) arriving?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2011, 08:41:02 PM
According to the Graudian it's £7M rising to £8.5M with add-ons:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/06/liverpool-charlie-adam-blackpool-doni (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/06/liverpool-charlie-adam-blackpool-doni)

£7M is a decent deal and if we achieve the things that normally make up some of the add ons then no-one will mind handing over a further £1.5M.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 06, 2011, 10:36:13 PM
if i was villa i wouldn't want downing to go...with mcleish in charge and young already gone...the last thing i'd want is the other star player legging it...
he might be the difference between survival and relegation...and thus worth far more than 19 mil...

But Blackpool wouldn't sell Adam last season as they thought he would keep them from being relegated. It didn't work.

We tried to keep Masch last season but once a player becomes a disruptive force you have to let him go. I'm not suggesting Downing is Masch but it's clear he doesn't want to stay. And with the £15M you get a decent player can still be bought. Look at Sunderland for that.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 06, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Villa had to cash in on Young. Downing's different. In theory, at least, they can keep him for another year and then cash in. Though like you say ASI, keeping an unhappy player is not always a good thing.

Yes, they could keep him another year but his value would drop dramatically. And as I said to barticus they can reinvest the money for Downing.

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Conversely, Downing signed a contract so Villa don't have to sell him. Lerner's only doing what we'd all expect our club to do in the same circumstances. It's just a shame we're on the receiving end. It worked for him with Barry and he still got a decent fee for a player with just a year on his contract, as he did with Young also.
Agreed that Lerner seems to get good prices for his players with little contract time remaining. But I see a similar situation as we had with Masch and also Alonso and we sold both of them. He may not like it but ultimately money talks and I do believe having played hardball over Adam and won we will be bouyed and determined to get Downing.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on July 06, 2011, 11:36:36 PM
Happy enough with the signing of Adam, gives us some depth, solidity and options.....on the basis of what I've heard of him last season, he appears to be a Premiership specialist....no harm in that. Always like signing internationals and we have a fine tradition of Scottish midfielders (Gary Mac was the last one, I think!). Also pleased enough with the fee.....although everything considered i think our original offer of £6 million was fair, imo, but hey Blackpool are obviously entitled to see things differently.

Anyway, hopefully Adam has the intelligence to be able to maximise the opportunity that he's been given & take his game to another level with us....cos (just like with Hodgson) he still a bit unproven, imo, and one good season doesn't guarantee anything.

All in all my gut tells me he should do ok....and may even surprise! :)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2011, 11:47:13 PM
Yes, they could keep him another year but his value would drop dramatically. And as I said to barticus they can reinvest the money for Downing.

And Lerner's trying to get as much for Downing to reinvest, hence the 'high' fee. He could possibly pick up N'Zogbia for £10M and leave himself with the same again to / towards replacing Young. £10M could be hard for Wolves to resist for Matt Jarvis, for example, who wouldn't have to move house either.

After seeing Barry's 'value' drop by only a third, from two years to one year remaining and having seen Young's valuation level out at a not insignificant £16M, I don't think Lerner's worried about value's plummeting.
£20M for Nasri, £7M for Clichy, Enrique being mentioned at anything up to £15M seems to indicate that values aren't dropping as much as previously with a year remaining. Clubs seem to be focusing on what the value within the team of the player would be and less on monetary value based on a single remaining year.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2011, 12:01:47 AM
Happy enough with the signing of Adam, gives us some depth, solidity and options.....on the basis of what I've heard of him last season, he appears to be a Premiership specialist....no harm in that. Always like signing internationals and we have a fine tradition of Scottish midfielders (Gary Mac was the last one, I think!). Also pleased enough with the fee.....although everything considered i think our original offer of £6 million was fair, imo, but hey Blackpool are obviously entitled to see things differently.

Anyway, hopefully Adam has the intelligence to be able to maximise the opportunity that he's been given & take his game to another level with us....cos (just like with Hodgson) he still a bit unproven, imo, and one good season doesn't guarantee anything.

All in all my gut tells me he should do ok....and may even surprise! :)

Hopefully with the improved quality around him we will see him justify his inclusion. It's not just the set pieces which will hopefully aid Carroll's goal tally or Dirk's from popping in the rebounds, but his passing ability should create openings for Suarez and release our 'new wide players' and he popped up with a goal or two himself (excluding penalties) last season.
The interesting thing with our two signings and prime target is that they weigh in with a 'decent' amount of goals, moreso in Adam's and Downing's cases and also create a lot of chances (particularly Henderson). Even their assist records aren't bad considering the standard of players they've been creating chances for.
Combined, they should increase the number of chances and hopefully goals, especially against the 'bus parkers'.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on July 07, 2011, 07:12:15 AM
Talk of Joe Cole going on loan to West Ham..
http://www.myfootballnews.co.uk/news_jump.html?team_id=3&story=131044

which personally sounds like bs to me...
the major reason being that it involves Fat Sham, he who followed fergie's mindgames when slagging benitez off in the 'gesturing that the game was over was a mark of disrespect' furore...wouldn't give Fat Sham the drippings of my nose let alone Joe Cole...
Anyways i thought West Ham hated Cole?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on July 07, 2011, 07:34:21 AM
Looking at the sqaud now it seems we're shaping up to have a very strong squad..

Suarez and Carroll, Kuyt....Sosa, sterling...upfront...

Cole,Maxi    Meireles, Adam, Lucas, spearing      Gerrard, Henderson,Aquilani,

Aurelio, Johnson,      Agger, Carra, Skrtel,Kyrgiakos       Kelly..

With a left winger...left back needed (BASTOS!) and a central defender we'll be pretty strong for the next campaign...



Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on July 07, 2011, 08:47:36 AM
Very very happy we finally got Adam in. If not a footballing signing, it is a social one like how it used to be back in the day.

Still mighty mighty concerned nothing's done to improve what must be our weekes back-4 in two decades. It's outrageus really people are talking about 4th as an already done deal despite us having one of the poorest defences in the PL.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2011, 07:40:42 PM
Very very happy we finally got Adam in. If not a footballing signing, it is a social one like how it used to be back in the day.

Still mighty mighty concerned nothing's done to improve what must be our weekes back-4 in two decades. It's outrageus really people are talking about 4th as an already done deal despite us having one of the poorest defences in the PL.

Left back and 1 or 2 centre halves, Martin? And who, of the centre halves, would you sell?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2011, 07:44:49 PM
Talk of Joe Cole going on loan to West Ham..
http://www.myfootballnews.co.uk/news_jump.html?team_id=3&story=131044

which personally sounds like bs to me...
the major reason being that it involves Fat Sham, he who followed fergie's mindgames when slagging benitez off in the 'gesturing that the game was over was a mark of disrespect' furore...wouldn't give Fat Sham the drippings of my nose let alone Joe Cole...
Anyways i thought West Ham hated Cole?

Is the 'fat one' trying to re-create his Bolton mark 1 team with 'over the hill' and 'forgotton' flair plays blending with the bulldozers?

Surley Villa could do with a midfielder or two. I'd try to tempt them in some way to take Cole off our hands. Plus his wife will be halfway to London.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2011, 09:28:33 PM
good to see adam arrive.

we now have a decent corner and freekick taker (good penalty taker too).

*hides behind sofa, lest kopite arrives home for his tea*

 :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2011, 09:42:24 PM
good to see adam arrive.

we now have a decent corner and freekick taker (good penalty taker too).

*hides behind sofa, lest kopite arrives home for his tea*

 :D

It all depends whether Stevie gets the memo. *joins Dude.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2011, 10:18:35 PM
 :D

gonna be interesting to see how our midfield lines up in august.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 08, 2011, 12:12:29 AM
:D

gonna be interesting to see how our midfield lines up in august.

Can't see it being a four. Adam isn't defensively capable enough, especially if Gerrard is alongside him.

Lucas and Adam in a four? Doubtful. Lucas and Gerrard in a four? Ditto.

4-3-3   Adam left, Gerrard right, Lucas central, a touch deeper. Width and supply being provided by a combination of full back and winger / wide forward? Maybe.

4-2-3-1  Adam's on the bench. He can't be one of the '2' as he's less defensively capable than Alonso was and Lucas / Spearing are. Can't be left of the '3' unless all the true width is provided by the fullback placing a lot of covering emphasis on the left sided of the '2' and the left sided centre half. Can't see him being centre of the '3' unless Gerrard is left out as where would you 'sensibly' play Gerrard?.

So in conclusion it's Aquilani and Meireles in midfield then.   
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 08, 2011, 07:34:15 PM
Jovanovic linked with Anderlecht:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_7028521,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_7028521,00.html)

Hopefully, they'll be a few more exits before the end of August.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 08, 2011, 08:59:31 PM
Jovanovic linked with Anderlecht:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_7028521,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_7028521,00.html)

Hopefully, they'll be a few more exits before the end of August.

reading the other day that Jovanovic is on 120 grand a week.

what lunatic within Anfield put him on that wage?

Absolute madness.  He's not worth 40, nevermind 120.

the sooner we ditch these bosman style transfers, the better.

players arrive for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 08, 2011, 09:06:31 PM
Can't see it being a four. Adam isn't defensively capable enough, especially if Gerrard is alongside him.

Lucas and Adam in a four? Doubtful. Lucas and Gerrard in a four? Ditto.

4-3-3   Adam left, Gerrard right, Lucas central, a touch deeper. Width and supply being provided by a combination of full back and winger / wide forward? Maybe.

4-2-3-1  Adam's on the bench. He can't be one of the '2' as he's less defensively capable than Alonso was and Lucas / Spearing are. Can't be left of the '3' unless all the true width is provided by the fullback placing a lot of covering emphasis on the left sided of the '2' and the left sided centre half. Can't see him being centre of the '3' unless Gerrard is left out as where would you 'sensibly' play Gerrard?.

So in conclusion it's Aquilani and Meireles in midfield then.

interesting ideas there, Tes.

and Downing will arrive, I imagine.

I felt from day one of his reign, that Kenny is paving the way for gerrard to have a lesser role.  And I can imagine him moving him away from the centre.....to the right.

if downing is on the left.....gerrard on the right.....the odd man out is kuyt -  BTW  I see kuyt being a great foil for suarez.  I would not be surprised to see kuyt played up front, with the south american.

still leaves me puzzled tho as to our central midfield combo.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 08, 2011, 11:53:27 PM
reading the other day that Jovanovic is on 120 grand a week.

what lunatic within Anfield put him on that wage?

Absolute madness.  He's not worth 40, nevermind 120.

the sooner we ditch these bosman style transfers, the better.

players arrive for all the wrong reasons.

Apparently Jovanovic is on £60K basic but his signing on bonus was paid over the first year giving him £120K a week for the first year of the contract.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 09, 2011, 12:13:44 AM
ah, that makes more sense.

unsure though why we need to be paying a signing on fee.

I never got any signing-on fees when I started a new job.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2011, 01:06:49 AM
ah, that makes more sense.

unsure though why we need to be paying a signing on fee.

I never got any signing-on fees when I started a new job.

Another strange law football has unto itself. Surely your reward for 'signing on' is the salary detailed in the contract. We don't seem to value 'frees' in the same way we do players under contract to a club.
Normally, there would be two seasons a player is 'on a free'. Either his club no longer wants him or he no longer wants the club. Transfer fees I understand. It's compensation to the club and to help them replace the player leaving. Why do we therefore essentially pay the transfer fee to the player instead? Surely his reward is his salary and whatever else attracts him to his new club over his old one.

Clubs shouldn't be grateful to the player for 'signing on'.  Players should be grateful of the chance of employment with the relevant employer (club).

I just hope FSG get the whole 'wages' aspect of the club under control and enshrine into it a better set of policies and pay scales. We've overpaid for years whilst underachieving. Have the players concerned really given back to the club an equal amount to that which the club (via the fans wallets and purses) have given the players? 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2011, 01:09:35 AM
Can't see it being a four. Adam isn't defensively capable enough, especially if Gerrard is alongside him.

Lucas and Adam in a four? Doubtful. Lucas and Gerrard in a four? Ditto.

4-3-3   Adam left, Gerrard right, Lucas central, a touch deeper. Width and supply being provided by a combination of full back and winger / wide forward? Maybe.

4-2-3-1  Adam's on the bench. He can't be one of the '2' as he's less defensively capable than Alonso was and Lucas / Spearing are. Can't be left of the '3' unless all the true width is provided by the fullback placing a lot of covering emphasis on the left sided of the '2' and the left sided centre half. Can't see him being centre of the '3' unless Gerrard is left out as where would you 'sensibly' play Gerrard?.

So in conclusion it's Aquilani and Meireles in midfield then.

Once Downing arrives our spending is over and the final piece of the jigsaw is in place and ready for season kick off. Kenny going for the 0-11-0 formation.

Next years starting eleven could look something like this, who needs a defence or attack ;

                                  Spearing    Poulsen      Lucas
                                           
                        Gerrard        Adam        Henderson         Downing

                        Aquillani     Jon Jo Shelvey     Meireles       Cole


In all seriousness at the moment we must have one of the most unbalanced squads in the league, we could actually nearly field a team entirely of central midfielders. A few top defenders and a striker are surely next priority.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2011, 01:33:48 AM
So far it's become seemingly more unbalanced, but I guess it's a case of who we can tie up first so we're upgrading on what we already have and then attempting to replace those who 'can do a job' or have 'had to a job' and they all seem to be across the centre of the park. Hopefully we will seem things become more balanced as we shift out those who have been 'upgraded' and we move onto sorting out the numbers but lack of quality in the defence.

The whole dismantling, rebuilding and re-shaping is certainly going to take more than this Summer's window until we get to the position of just being able to add 'here and there' and look to upgrade the weakest couple of positions each Summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2011, 01:37:42 AM
Next years starting eleven could look something like this, who needs a defence or attack ;

                                  Spearing    Poulsen      Lucas
                                           
                        Gerrard        Adam        Henderson         Downing

                        Aquillani     Jon Jo Shelvey     Meireles       Cole


Move Gerrard to where Poulsen is and bring Maxi into Gerrard's current position and we're about set. Who's playing 'rush goalie'?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 09, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
You can remove Meireles from the squad. According to the Telegraph he's not going on the tour to China and seems likely to be sold.

Pity really because I thought he had an excellent first season especially after Kenny arrived and your first is often the most difficult.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2011, 10:34:13 AM
So far it's become seemingly more unbalanced, but I guess it's a case of who we can tie up first so we're upgrading on what we already have and then attempting to replace those who 'can do a job' or have 'had to a job' and they all seem to be across the centre of the park. Hopefully we will seem things become more balanced as we shift out those who have been 'upgraded' and we move onto sorting out the numbers but lack of quality in the defence.

The whole dismantling, rebuilding and re-shaping is certainly going to take more than this Summer's window until we get to the position of just being able to add 'here and there' and look to upgrade the weakest couple of positions each Summer.

I would also suggest tes that obviously kenny knows a left back is vital. We missed out on clichy who from the price side of things was perfect for us. We have probably always been interested in enrique but with prices like 10 and 15 million being quoted our recent lowered interest may be a tactic to see his price drops. Hence we our being linked with Cissoko and others but i reckon kenny wants enrique. He just wont want an auction with wenger
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2011, 12:07:11 PM
You can remove Meireles from the squad. According to the Telegraph he's not going on the tour to China and seems likely to be sold.

Pity really because I thought he had an excellent first season especially after Kenny arrived and your first is often the most difficult.

I was initially disgusted by the thought the club might sell one of our best players from last year. Theres no doubt Raul has talent. However on reading a few articles and reflecting on some of the games last season I can see reason why he may be offloaded. Firstly he is what 28, upper end of the age limit for signing players. That transfer would never have happened this year under FSG, heck im surprised they are willing to pay so much on Downing. Maybe they want to sell Meireles now while he still holds value. Secondly I cant see him ever being first choice in a central midfield pairing. Hes too light weight for it. One part of his game that did frustrate at times last season was his lack of strenght in the tackle and his tendancy at times to lose out in possession in central midfield.

Dont get me wrong I like this guy as a player but unless hes playing behind the striker I think his effect and worth to the team becomes more limited. Without injuries hes probably not going to start now. So instead of having an unhappy player sitting on the bench maybe its time the club does take the tough decisions cut the sentiment and takes 15 million now and stregthens elsewhere.

I'll be sorry to see him go but I can see where Kenny and Comolli are coming from.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2011, 12:23:10 PM
I know this would be a long shot but I dont know why Liverpool dont get a bit ambitious and put in a bid for Nasri. Surely Comolli can do a job showing him what we are trying to build. Hes only 23. Granted because we cant offer champions league football we may have to up his wages. Also in an attempt to do Uniteds offer over we may have to up the transfer fee but I think to snare Nasri would show what FSG and Comolli are all about. He who dares wins Rodders......
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on July 09, 2011, 01:21:59 PM
All this selling while they can make some money is all very well...but does that turn LFC into a glorious training camp for the 'big teams'?
The Meireles factor is deeply annoying in the fact that what does that do to morale? Player of the year in some quarters...came to life when Kenny knew how to use him...he had a great season...

so the new message is, 'do well and we'll flog you off anyway?' what the hell does that say to the rest of the team?
who gets to stay then? gerrard flogged at 28 for 40 mil? will there ever be a favourite? would a liverpool version of the 'invincibles' all be then sold in a summer?

Caution should be made here...the last thing we want to become is an arsenal/spurs...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 09, 2011, 01:24:54 PM
I was initially disgusted by the thought the club might sell one of our best players from last year. Theres no doubt Raul has talent. However on reading a few articles and reflecting on some of the games last season I can see reason why he may be offloaded. Firstly he is what 28, upper end of the age limit for signing players. That transfer would never have happened this year under FSG, heck im surprised they are willing to pay so much on Downing. Maybe they want to sell Meireles now while he still holds value. Secondly I cant see him ever being first choice in a central midfield pairing. Hes too light weight for it. One part of his game that did frustrate at times last season was his lack of strenght in the tackle and his tendancy at times to lose out in possession in central midfield.

Dont get me wrong I like this guy as a player but unless hes playing behind the striker I think his effect and worth to the team becomes more limited. Without injuries hes probably not going to start now. So instead of having an unhappy player sitting on the bench maybe its time the club does take the tough decisions cut the sentiment and takes 15 million now and stregthens elsewhere.

I'll be sorry to see him go but I can see where Kenny and Comolli are coming from.

Juan,

I agree with most of what you have said. A classic case of him pulling out of a tackle was against Manure at Anfield just after Carra hit Nani. Fabio went in hard and had Raul stood his ground he would have got clattered but it's likely that Fabio would have walked.

He's also very effective in central midfield but far less so when moved out wide. And with 2 new midfielders arriving him chances of first team footie will be limited.

Sad but inevitable.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2011, 02:07:06 PM
I was initially disgusted by the thought the club might sell one of our best players from last year. Theres no doubt Raul has talent. However on reading a few articles and reflecting on some of the games last season I can see reason why he may be offloaded. Firstly he is what 28, upper end of the age limit for signing players. That transfer would never have happened this year under FSG, heck im surprised they are willing to pay so much on Downing. Maybe they want to sell Meireles now while he still holds value. Secondly I cant see him ever being first choice in a central midfield pairing. Hes too light weight for it. One part of his game that did frustrate at times last season was his lack of strenght in the tackle and his tendancy at times to lose out in possession in central midfield.

Dont get me wrong I like this guy as a player but unless hes playing behind the striker I think his effect and worth to the team becomes more limited. Without injuries hes probably not going to start now. So instead of having an unhappy player sitting on the bench maybe its time the club does take the tough decisions cut the sentiment and takes 15 million now and stregthens elsewhere.

I'll be sorry to see him go but I can see where Kenny and Comolli are coming from.

He certainly filled a need last season but as you say Juan there are certain limitations which would probably stop him being a first choice and he can generate some funds without leaving a hole in the team ala Alonso or Mascherano.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2011, 02:33:36 PM
I would also suggest tes that obviously kenny knows a left back is vital. We missed out on clichy who from the price side of things was perfect for us. We have probably always been interested in enrique but with prices like 10 and 15 million being quoted our recent lowered interest may be a tactic to see his price drops. Hence we our being linked with Cissoko and others but i reckon kenny wants enrique. He just wont want an auction with wenger

There's no doubt about that, but it's the dearth of real quality allied to what others can offer ahead of us, that has meant we've not yet been able to complete a signing for that position.

Enrique is now being linked with Barca as a long term replacement for Abidal and Cissoko would attract Lyon's 'English club premium'. Options seem to be lessening all the time but I imagine that Dalglish and Comolli would have anticipated it working out this way and will probably have a list of young, up and coming players to fall back on should the more obvious domestic options and Cissoko prove to be beyond our grasp.
There's one thing with Dalglish. He always sees the bigger picture and is quite comfortable with being a non-conformist to a degree.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2011, 01:46:03 AM
Lyon ready to listen to Liverpool offer for Aly Cissokho transfer


Aly Cissokho could become the answer to Liverpool's left-back problems after Lyon revealed they are willing to listen to offers.

Reds boss Kenny Dalglish is desperate to bring in a new left-sided defender after being forced to play Glen Johnson out of position at times last season.

After seeing his top target Gael Clichy join Manchester City, he is now looking at a number of alternatives.

Reports in France suggest one of them is Lyon's Cissokho and that a bid is imminent.

Lyon coach Remi Garde told L'Equipe that Liverpool have not yet made an offer for the 23-year-old, but he was prepared to consider any approaches.

'Aly is an important player for us, but if an offer matches our expectation, he is likely to go,' said Garde.

The French club are known to be short of cash and it is thought they are prepared to accept a bid of just £8 million, despite paying £13 million to sign Cissokho from Porto in 2009.

Liverpool are also believed to be interested in Newcastle United left back Jose Enrique, but face competition from Arsenal for the Spaniard's signature.


http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/868824-lyon-ready-to-listen-to-liverpool-offer-for-aly-cissokho-transfer (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/868824-lyon-ready-to-listen-to-liverpool-offer-for-aly-cissokho-transfer)

If there's even an ounce of truth in this, Comolli needs to leave off from being jerked around by Villa and get this transfer sorted.

Apparently we've also bid for Michel Bastos of Lyon. A Lyon left side would be very interesting.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 10, 2011, 02:17:32 AM
I dont see us buying Cissoko or Bastos to be honest. I still think Enrique and Downing are what we will end up with although the Daily Mail are reporting Arsenal will steal Downing. If I were a player looking to join one of the big clubs I would be looking past Arsenals champions league participation and Id be very worried by the internal rumblings of discontent. In the current scheme of things I think Downing would choose us over the gunners.

The people are reporting Meireles will stay back from the trip to china so he can talk to both Juventus and possibly one of the Milans. I would be disappointed by his departure but if Kenny wants to sell him I can understand where hes coming from and Id support him all the way. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2011, 10:48:38 AM
I agree with you Juan that we are more likely to see Premiership based players come in ahead of those from outside.

I'd certainly prefer Cissokho to Enrique, as I'm not overly convinced with Enrique's defensive game. No doubt he's good going forward.

Likewise I'd have liked to have seen us add Moussa Sissoko as Gerrard's (not so) long term replacement, or at least replace the role he's played in the past. Gerrard still has a role to play if he can adapt his game to rely less on physical attributes of pace and power and take a more defensive, deep lying role whilst untilising his passing ability in the way that John Barnes reinvented himself to prolong his career.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on July 10, 2011, 05:27:09 PM
Left back and 1 or 2 centre halves, Martin? And who, of the centre halves, would you sell?

That's easy peasy Tes, Skrtel and Agger. Doubt anybody's ready to take them on even if we offer them for free, however.

I will repeat this mantra those who think we'll challenge for anything above 5th this season without significantly strengthen our CB-department will recieve a brutal and painful awakening in late October/early November. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 10, 2011, 07:56:21 PM
I will repeat this mantra those who think we'll challenge for anything above 5th this season without significantly strengthen our CB-department will recieve a brutal and painful awakening in late October/early November.

I agree with you Martin I think anything above fourth is above us right now as we are.  I do think we are working hard on the transfer front and slowly improving the squad but equally United have significantly improved theirs and seem intent on continuing to bring in even more quality. At this point in the summer I see United as strong favourites for next year but I dont think Chelsea and City are far behind. In my mind there is a big 3, followed by Arsenal ourselves and Spurs with not much between us.

I cant really see us doing enough in the transfer window to suggest we will have a good enough squad to break that top 3. Im not being negative just realistic and I hope fans arent overly expecting a title challenge. We have to start the league with winning it in mind but I still reckon we are some way off. As you say Martin our defence just isnt up to it, Skrtel may have played every minute of last season but he had some howlers along the way. He improved under Kenny but to win the league you need an almost flawless season from your centre backs and I cant see that happening with what we have.

I also agree on Agger. Im a big fan but hes spent the last 2 years nursing injuries. If he cant prove his fitness it may be time to look to replacing him.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 10, 2011, 08:03:09 PM
The papers seem to have got it wrong suggesting Meireles will stay behind along with Comolli. Apparently they are both going to on tour.

SSN are reporting that Arsenal have tabled an 18 million pound for Downing but that his preference is still with us. Initially I hoped we would walk away if we had to pay anything over 15 million for Downing. Being a fickle fan however the fact that Arsenals interest is confirmed I kind of hope we sign him now.

SSN are also reporting a deal could be done tomorrow.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 10, 2011, 09:56:03 PM
I do not agree with the stupid prices in today's market.  But we either have to poo or else get off the pot.

We are messing about and messing about.    Arsenal will eventually sell Nasri and Farbegras, and have 60 million quid in their wallet to spend.  They will then move for Downing and Enrique and we will be left high and dry.

For goodness sake Kenny, if you want Downing, do it ASAP.  Or else walk away and go for Mata instead.

Either way, get the finger out.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2011, 11:31:22 PM
Villa have made it quite clear they aren't selling and have backed that up with a ridiculous valuation. I understand that Downing is the player that Kenny wants but sometimes you have to accept that we can't always have who we want.

Cissokho, IMHO, is not only a better player than Enrique but also represents better value and is available.
Newcastle don't want to sell Enrique and haven't made him available.
Also, I have this nagging doubt that Enrique wouldn't stick around. If he has a good season and Barca firm up their rumoured interest in him as a replacement for Abidal, he'll be off before we can say 'Catalonia'. Also his chances of a call up to the Spanish national team will be vastly improved if he's based in Spain.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on July 12, 2011, 10:45:06 AM
I agree with you Martin I think anything above fourth is above us right now as we are.  I do think we are working hard on the transfer front and slowly improving the squad but equally United have significantly improved theirs and seem intent on continuing to bring in even more quality. At this point in the summer I see United as strong favourites for next year but I dont think Chelsea and City are far behind. In my mind there is a big 3, followed by Arsenal ourselves and Spurs with not much between us.

I cant really see us doing enough in the transfer window to suggest we will have a good enough squad to break that top 3. Im not being negative just realistic and I hope fans arent overly expecting a title challenge. We have to start the league with winning it in mind but I still reckon we are some way off. As you say Martin our defence just isnt up to it, Skrtel may have played every minute of last season but he had some howlers along the way. He improved under Kenny but to win the league you need an almost flawless season from your centre backs and I cant see that happening with what we have.

I also agree on Agger. Im a big fan but hes spent the last 2 years nursing injuries. If he cant prove his fitness it may be time to look to replacing him.

Well said Juan. What strikes me as weird is we have such a strong tradition of building our team aroung  top-notch CB's. Much like United today we didn't have the biggest stars (in the Best, Lineker, Robson or Platini, Mattheus sense if you follow) during the 80's. Yet we picked up title after title. My favorite LFC player growing up was always Hansen.

Even my manc mate says without such a solid and stable back-4 they don't have a team for the top-4. It breaks my heart to see us splash out some 18-20 million on a pretty average Downing while simultaneously neglecting the fact our back-4 is probably bottom 5 in the PL. I respect Kenny but I do think his extreme focus on offensive players will only serve to make the team/squad heavily imbalanced (much as it has been, altho for other reasons, under GH and Rafa).
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 12, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Well said Juan. What strikes me as weird is we have such a strong tradition of building our team aroung  top-notch CB's. Much like United today we didn't have the biggest stars (in the Best, Lineker, Robson or Platini, Mattheus sense if you follow) during the 80's. Yet we picked up title after title. My favorite LFC player growing up was always Hansen.

Even my manc mate says without such a solid and stable back-4 they don't have a team for the top-4. It breaks my heart to see us splash out some 18-20 million on a pretty average Downing while simultaneously neglecting the fact our back-4 is probably bottom 5 in the PL. I respect Kenny but I do think his extreme focus on offensive players will only serve to make the team/squad heavily imbalanced (much as it has been, altho for other reasons, under GH and Rafa).

One player that I feel does deserve alot of praise is Carragher. After seeing him at last years world cup and with the teams performances under hodgson I thought Carragher was finished as a far as being a mainstay in the first team. Under Kenny he has been a revelation again and if he can keep up the level of performance hes shown his place in the team wont be doubted.

I dont think Kenny is overlooking the defensive issue. As you say Martin the great Liverpool teams of the past were built of a great centre half pairing and I think Kenny knows this is an area of the team that probably needs most work. For whatever reason hes decided to get the midfield sorted first and that doesnt bother me as long as the defence gets the attention needed.  With Flanagan breaking through and with Johnson back vying for right back I wonder is Kenny considering the option of playing Martin Kelly at centre half. Its an option. I just hope Kellys injury problems are over because he seems to have had a career disrupted by injuries up to now. Lets just hope hes not a modern day Rob jones who was so unlucky.

Once Downing and doni are signed sealed and delivered I look forward to seeing who Kennys planning for defence.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Agger should have been our new Hansen.  But it's been obvious these past few seasons that he will struggle with injuries.  I'd reluctantly sell him - that has been my stance for the past 18 months.

As for Carragher.  I love the lad, always have.  But honestly, he's been done for 2 or 3 seasons.  And I am not even sure he was ever up to the level that we truly needed.  Pace was always his issue.  And bringing the ball out from the back - or distribution....forget it.  He's what we called in our circles, an agricultural type player.   To challenge for the top honours, one needs a bit of panache/class, and be seen to have time on the ball...not to mention better distribution abilities.

I wouldn't have given Glen Johnston a new contract.  Never, in my book, good enough as a defender.

Defence is a heck of a worry.  Kenny seems to think otherwise.  Maybe he's gonna adopt the Keegan approach - and through everything at the opposition next season.  Who needs a defence anyway.

I liked your attacking formation, Juan, in a post from a few days ago...loads of midfielders  :)

 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Agger's on a knife edge. Do we sell whilst he still maintains value or do we give him one more season and hope the medical team have sorted his underlying problems?

We definately need a first choice centre half, preferably with both pace and aerial ability, as apart from Soto for the latter, we desperately lack those qualities within our central defence and there are definate question marks individally against each of our centre halves. There isn't one outstanding candidate who you could rely on totally and build the defence around.

I would think Kelly needs a season or two of top level football before thinking about moving him to centre half, if at all. Afterall, he's proving to be a first class right back and if would be nice to have a full back with some height to help defend at set pieces.

I know it's an obvious thing but strong defences are what the best teams (Barcelona excepted) are generally. If you don't concede, you can't lose. Obvious, but true and vital to our aim.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 12, 2011, 10:39:43 PM
Agger should have been our new Hansen.  But it's been obvious these past few seasons that he will struggle with injuries.  I'd reluctantly sell him - that has been my stance for the past 18 months.

As for Carragher.  I love the lad, always have.  But honestly, he's been done for 2 or 3 seasons.  And I am not even sure he was ever up to the level that we truly needed.  Pace was always his issue.  And bringing the ball out from the back - or distribution....forget it.  He's what we called in our circles, an agricultural type player.   To challenge for the top honours, one needs a bit of panache/class, and be seen to have time on the ball...not to mention better distribution abilities.

I wouldn't have given Glen Johnston a new contract.  Never, in my book, good enough as a defender.

Defence is a heck of a worry.  Kenny seems to think otherwise.  Maybe he's gonna adopt the Keegan approach - and through everything at the opposition next season.  Who needs a defence anyway.

I liked your attacking formation, Juan, in a post from a few days ago...loads of midfielders  :)

Lol Dude yeah we are a bit top heavy from a midfield perspective but hopefully Kenny will rectify that.

I dont think Kenny is neglecting the defence just yet. I think hes just trying to find the right personnel. Clichy would have been a coup at left back but he opted for CL football.

If we were to start the season with what we've got I would be concerned but I dont think that will happen. As for Johnson we have to keep him under contract. Last thing we would need is our 18 million right back running down his contract whether we intend to keep him or not. His defending was awful at times last season but Im optimistic Kenny can sort something out.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 12, 2011, 10:59:14 PM
Agger's on a knife edge. Do we sell whilst he still maintains value or do we give him one more season and hope the medical team have sorted his underlying problems?

We definately need a first choice centre half, preferably with both pace and aerial ability, as apart from Soto for the latter, we desperately lack those qualities within our central defence and there are definate question marks individally against each of our centre halves. There isn't one outstanding candidate who you could rely on totally and build the defence around.

I would think Kelly needs a season or two of top level football before thinking about moving him to centre half, if at all. Afterall, he's proving to be a first class right back and if would be nice to have a full back with some height to help defend at set pieces.

I know it's an obvious thing but strong defences are what the best teams (Barcelona excepted) are generally. If you don't concede, you can't lose. Obvious, but true and vital to our aim.

To be honest Tes I was never a big fan of Barcas defence but somehow it seems to work. Valdes is suspect. Puyol in my opinion is a Carragher type defender, no nosense but not necessarily the most gifted footballer. Pique is solid at the back and very comfortable going forward. Abidal again I always felt was overpriced, I was never a fan. Alves in fairness to him is devastating going forward and isnt bad defensively either.

I wouldnt be surprised to see us sign Scott Dann from Birmingham. Havent seen much of him but I have a hunch its just a matter of time. Cahill is another player in demand but for some reason i have my doubts about him. Maybe its the fact he will command a huge transfer fee.

We really missed out with when United signed Vidic. To think we couldnt stump up a mesely 2 million extra at the time to snap him up.

To put things into context this time last season we were about to appoint Roy, sign Chritian Poulsen and Paul Konchesky and Hicks / Gillette didnt look any closer to leaving. 12 months on i dont think i could have hoped for a better turnaround
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2011, 11:42:15 PM
To be honest Tes I was never a big fan of Barcas defence but somehow it seems to work. Valdes is suspect. Puyol in my opinion is a Carragher type defender, no nosense but not necessarily the most gifted footballer. Pique is solid at the back and very comfortable going forward. Abidal again I always felt was overpriced, I was never a fan. Alves in fairness to him is devastating going forward and isnt bad defensively either.

I wouldnt be surprised to see us sign Scott Dann from Birmingham. Havent seen much of him but I have a hunch its just a matter of time. Cahill is another player in demand but for some reason i have my doubts about him. Maybe its the fact he will command a huge transfer fee.

We really missed out with when United signed Vidic. To think we couldnt stump up a mesely 2 million extra at the time to snap him up.

To put things into context this time last season we were about to appoint Roy, sign Chritian Poulsen and Paul Konchesky and Hicks / Gillette didnt look any closer to leaving. 12 months on i dont think i could have hoped for a better turnaround

Great points, Juan. 12 months really is a long time and there's been an amazing turnaround. We at least have hope and a chance to dream again.

Barca are definately the exception to the rule about great teams being built on a strong defence. As for ours, I think it will take a couple of (probably) Summer windows until it evolves into what it truly needs to be, depending on who end  up with this window and the availability and suitability of players in the future.
I'm with you on Cahill. Like you, I'm not whether it's the alleged price that's off putting or something about the player. Maybe I haven't seen enough of him up close over a decent period of time, but whatever it is, I won't be too upset if he doesn't line up in our shirt this season. Just what was it that allowed O'Neill, the arch buyer of British players, to originally sell him. Afterall, Villa haven't exactly got or had during O'Neill's tenure, a glut of top class centre halves.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Edward224 on July 13, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
Well said Juan. What strikes me as weird is we have such a strong tradition of building our team aroung  top-notch CB's. Much like United today we didn't have the biggest stars (in the Best, Lineker, Robson or Platini, Mattheus sense if you follow) during the 80's. Yet we picked up title after title. My favorite LFC player growing up was always Hansen.

Even my manc mate says without such a solid and stable back-4 they don't have a team for the top-4. It breaks my heart to see us splash out some 18-20 million on a pretty average Downing while simultaneously neglecting the fact our back-4 is probably bottom 5 in the PL. I respect Kenny but I do think his extreme focus on offensive players will only serve to make the team/squad heavily imbalanced (much as it has been, altho for other reasons, under GH and Rafa).

Firstly:- Downing is not average. He is not world class either and neither will he ever be. But what he would provide us with is width on the left flank, speed and pace, a great delivery plus his shooting is excellent. He would provide us much needed balance in midfield and I for one hope we sign him.

Secondly:- Kenny IS NOT neglecting our defence. We WILL sign a centre back and a left back. Either Aly Cissokho or Jose Enrique will be signed for the left back slot. I have been told by reliable sources that we are looking abroad for central defenders.

We are definitely interested in centre backs. We have either enquired or bid for these central defenders:-

Scott Dann
Christian Zapata
Dejan Lovren
Mamadou Sakho
Gary Cahill

Either they asked for too much wages (Cahill wants £100,000 p/w!!!), the club asked for too much money (Sakho and Lovren) or enquired but our interested waivered (Dann and Zapata).

So the defence will be replenished with a left back and a centre back definitely.

Johnson's defending has improved 10 fold under the tutelage of Steve Clarke and was very impressive at the left back position. But in his natural position of right back Johnson will only better for the coaching clarke gives him. Plus with Kelly (a better defender) down his throat battling for that position, then for me we are very much sorted at right back for the future. Not taking into account the young Flanagan who has a bright future, so for the next 10 years the right back slot is definitely sorted.

Left back we need the new player to come in. Once he does we will have Aurelio and Robinson backing him up, plus Johnson could play there now too. Not discounting Insua as I don't know what will happen to him.

Centrally it is a bit of a concern. Agger is our best defender but is continually injured. Either next season this improves or he will probably be shipped out in January. However let's see what our new fitness team can do for him. Carra has to now slowly wind down his career, however for the big games there is no other defender that I would want than him. Without doubt he is a big game defender as he never hides and is always making a noise of himself. However his game time should reduce. Skrtel is definitely a liability, though Clarke has improved him too and he was more solid towards the end of the season, he is too prone to mistakes and we need to replace him. However I think Kenny will give him lots of game time next season.

Therefore I see our new central defenders next season as the new centre back next to carra for the big games and either Agger or Skrtel for the other games.

But in Wisdom and Coady we are sorted for the future too. Both will be immense players for us at the back.

I'd hazard the new backline next season then to be:-

----Johnson--------Carra/Agger/Skrtel---------New CB---------New LB
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
Zapata's signed for Villareal, there's concerns as to whether we'd get a work permit for Lovren, plus there's the question mark over why Lyon are prepared to sell so soon after signing him and apparently we've bauked at the price quoted for Sakho and he's just signed a new contract and been made captain of PSG.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 13, 2011, 10:51:13 PM
Fee agreed for Downing.......
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Fee agreed for Downing.......

Dare we uncover our eyes and ask how much?  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 14, 2011, 12:15:49 AM
Dare we uncover our eyes and ask how much?  :D

Lol its the top end of what we hoped it to be. 20 million. Excessive but now that he will be a Liverpool player i suppose its only right to back the guy.

Our squad has been strengthened again which is pleasing. Now for the defence and attack.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2011, 12:37:08 AM
I guess it's an improvement on Villa's official position (and not the media's price of £20M++) that he wasn't for sale at any price. If it's in the Henderson currency of £20M then the deal sounds even better.

It certainly shows that Henry & Co are backing the judgement of Dalglish & Co 110%. Back to the days of the directors (owners) just signing the cheques etc.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on July 14, 2011, 11:19:24 AM
Apparently Steve Staunton has been lined up for a coaching position at the club.

Maybe hes going to come out of retirement altogether and provide back up for the troubled left back slot.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2011, 12:20:27 PM
Apparently Steve Staunton has been lined up for a coaching position at the club.

Maybe hes going to come out of retirement altogether and provide back up for the troubled left back slot.

 :D

I was trying to think of the last time we had a top quality left back and we stopped having one around the time he left. The last few years have made JAR seem better than he was. Anyway, I always thought he was more suited to playing further forward. I don't include Aurelio as he doesn't appear often enough to count.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on July 16, 2011, 04:04:16 AM
Funny look at our transfer dealings! :)

http://www.surrealfootball.com/2011/06/29/liverpools-transfer-policy/
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 16, 2011, 04:40:36 PM
I spat my beer out when I heard of the Staunton link.

Staunton was an embarrassment for Ireland and was sacked recently by Darlington.

He can barely string a coherent sentence together.....and has grand notions of grandeur.

FFS Kenny.  Are you brain-dead?  Get in someone with intelligence and who has been a success as a manager e.bluddy.g.  John Aldridge.

If the Staunton story is true, I give up.




Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2011, 08:12:24 PM
I spat my beer out when I heard of the Staunton link.

Staunton was an embarrassment for Ireland and was sacked recently by Darlington.

He can barely string a coherent sentence together.....and has grand notions of grandeur.

FFS Kenny.  Are you brain-dead?  Get in someone with intelligence and who has been a success as a manager e.bluddy.g.  John Aldridge.

If the Staunton story is true, I give up.


Has it been confirmed yet by the club?  It's definately an odd one. As you say he's hardly in the Ray Harford, Brian Kidd mould, top coach just not suited to being a manager. He has a rather long failure trail.
Plus, I didn't know we were in need of another coach at any level within the club.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on July 16, 2011, 08:47:33 PM
nothing confirmed by the club, Tes.

It all comes from Stan pretending to be intelligent, with a wink and a nod to the media the other day.  He thinks he is someone in the game.  Big ideas about himself.

Speaking at a press conference in his native Dundalk yesterday to promote a Dundalk Legends v Liverpool Legends fundraising game at Oriel Park on July 23rd, the 102 time capped former defender said a deal was all but agreed for him take up a “football position” at a top-flight outfit.

That led to suggestions that a return to his former club Liverpool was on the cards. Staunton remained tight-lipped about his destination although he did say the job was with a club that is currently on its pre-season tour. Liverpool are currently on a jaunt of Asia.

“I can’t speak to the club at the minute because they are on their pre-season tour,” said Staunton. “When they come back, we will discuss it further but it’s more or less done and dusted. Since the Ireland job, I’ve been involved at the lower levels. It would be nice to get back into the Premiership.”


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2011, 10:20:39 PM
Hopefully 2+2 is equalling 5 in this case. Dalglish doesn't strike me as one just to hand out positions on a whim.

With a bit of luck it was nothing more than self promotion on Staunton's part.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 01, 2011, 02:18:24 PM
Today we are being linked with a 12 m bid for ryan shawcross. Out of all the young english defenders like cahill, dann, i would be mostly in favour of going for shawcross. We would never get him for 12 million but at 23 i think he could be our best english option after losing out on phil jones. Captain at stoke i think he would be a huge addition and would go a long way to solving our centre back issue. Himself and a left back and i think we could have a chance of a very good season.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 01, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
Scaffold planks and a nail gun should be our next purchase so we can board up our goal.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2011, 07:55:19 PM
Jovanovic set for Reds exit

August 2, 2011 7:37pm


Anderlecht have announced that an agreement has been reached with Liverpool to bring in Milan Jovanovic.

Jovanovic, 30, will sign a two-year deal if he successfully passes his medical on Thursday.

Jovanovic was signed by Rafa Benitez from Standard Liege on a lucrative deal following his free transfer.

But the Serbia attacker never really made an impact at Anfield and he looks to be on his way out as Kenny Dalglish continues to mould his new-look team.


"After long but successful negotiations with Liverpool, we have reached an agreement to sign Jovanovic for Anderlecht," Anderlecht spokesman David Steegen told Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws.

"The player is a major addition for the current squad and next to his talent he will also offer much-needed experience.'

General manager Herman Van Holsbeeck travelled personally to Liverpool to finish the negotiations.

He said: "The board is extremely happy we have completed the negotiations."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7077807,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7077807,00.html)

So I wonder what Anderlecht had to negotiate with us about. I'll bet we've had to pretty much pay up the remainder of his contract in order to get him to accept a reduction in his contracted salary at Anderlecht. A contract which pretty much covers him for the same period we will also have paid him up for.

So simply signing for Anderlecht in order to play first team football, make his family happy as his wife's preference was to live in Belgium again and ensure his place in Serbia's squad for the Euros next Summer, wasn't all worth a reduction in salary. The modern foot£aller.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on August 03, 2011, 05:28:10 AM
Not sure how certain this is....good signing if it is though...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2021737/Joey-Barton-followed-Jose-Enrique-Newcastle.html
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 04, 2011, 08:49:43 AM
Being linked with Gary Cahill this morning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2022144/Kenny-Dalglish-eyes-Gary-Cahill-Liverpool-spree-continues.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2022144/Kenny-Dalglish-eyes-Gary-Cahill-Liverpool-spree-continues.html)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2011, 11:44:59 AM
Both Cahill and Enrique shouldn't be overly pricey as they've both only got 11 months left on their contracts. With Skrtel missing the start of the season, we really do need to (preferably) bring in a top class centre half.

If we bring in Cahill he needs to keep the ball on the floor more than he does.

If another club can be found for Soto maybe Upson on a year's contract could be a stop gap if we can't get Cahill, Dann or any other top class centre half. Upson's on a free, so minimal signing on fee and and a sensible salary could allow us to look again next Summer, though the preference would be to bring one in this Summer and then another top class centre half next Summer.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 04, 2011, 01:09:21 PM
Jovanovic set for Reds exit

August 2, 2011 7:37pm


Anderlecht have announced that an agreement has been reached with Liverpool to bring in Milan Jovanovic.

Jovanovic, 30, will sign a two-year deal if he successfully passes his medical on Thursday.

Jovanovic was signed by Rafa Benitez from Standard Liege on a lucrative deal following his free transfer.

But the Serbia attacker never really made an impact at Anfield and he looks to be on his way out as Kenny Dalglish continues to mould his new-look team.


"After long but successful negotiations with Liverpool, we have reached an agreement to sign Jovanovic for Anderlecht," Anderlecht spokesman David Steegen told Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws.

"The player is a major addition for the current squad and next to his talent he will also offer much-needed experience.'

General manager Herman Van Holsbeeck travelled personally to Liverpool to finish the negotiations.

He said: "The board is extremely happy we have completed the negotiations."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7077807,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7077807,00.html)

So I wonder what Anderlecht had to negotiate with us about. I'll bet we've had to pretty much pay up the remainder of his contract in order to get him to accept a reduction in his contracted salary at Anderlecht. A contract which pretty much covers him for the same period we will also have paid him up for.

So simply signing for Anderlecht in order to play first team football, make his family happy as his wife's preference was to live in Belgium again and ensure his place in Serbia's squad for the Euros next Summer, wasn't all worth a reduction in salary. The modern foot£aller.

Still waiting for this deal to be announced. Cant wait to see the club get him off our wage bill.  Read something somewhere about Jovanovic that basically suggested  hes not a bad player but he was just the wrong player for the wrong club at the wrong time. The guy obviously had something about him if there were plenty of clubs chasing him, rafa wanted him  and the fact he performed admirably at the world cup. Looking at a few more of last seasons freebies Joe cole, Chamak (spelling) of Arsenal again suggest that if a players on a free theres a good reason for it.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 04, 2011, 01:21:53 PM
Owen Coyle is suggesting that Liverpools link to Cahill is just mischievious reporting. I just cant see us going for Cahill to be honest.

For two players apparently in demand Cahill and Dann nobody seems to be actually making a move. It would make you wonder if the so called clubs linked are actually genuinely interested.

Enrique seems to be a done deal although our interest has dragged on this long again I wont be convinced until hes signed up. Havent watched too much of Enrique so I cant judge but at this stage to sign any left back would only stand to strengthen us.

Barton is also being linked. If theres any truth in that rumour I'll start to think Kenny could be losing it unless he planned to use Barton on the right. He will be after Scott Parker next.

Enrique and a quality young centre back could raise my expectations of a possible title challenge although the bedding in period for players will probably prevent that.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on August 04, 2011, 04:07:39 PM
though the preference would be to bring one in this Summer and then another top class centre half next Summer.
Yeah, it's tricky....Imo, (kind of obvious really  :)) we need someone to replace Carragher if we're to be taken
seriously as Top 4 mainstays.....Ideally we'd get that person this season so that he gets a couple of semesters
of lectures from professor Carragher. I think Jones was the first choice......maybe Comolli can dig someone up!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2011, 07:07:49 PM
maybe Comolli can dig someone up!

Replacing Carra with someone even older than Carra? Who did you have in mind, Ed? Bobby Moore? Or was he cremated?  :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on August 04, 2011, 07:54:45 PM
Who did you have in mind, Ed? Bobby Moore? Or was he cremated?  :D
Not literally get out a shovel.... :) Though now that you mention it.....I'm thinking
dead ball situations....lol

Tbh, i don't know anything about young up and coming commanding centre halves.

Ideally, they've identified the right guy and are keeping it quiet 'til we get some more
funds in from outgoing transfers?

Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 04, 2011, 10:56:22 PM
Anyone heard of Sebastian Coates? I think he plays for Uruguay.  Rumour has it that he is a talented CB??? 

Dude, being part South American do you have any info on the lad?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2011, 04:37:56 PM
Replacing Carra with someone even older than Carra? Who did you have in mind, Ed? Bobby Moore? Or was he cremated?  :D

 :D :D :D

Moore, or possibly that other Fulham lad, the one with the statue, Micky Jackson.

Or maybe Johnny Dinosaur could be parked in front of the goal. 

With a mere keeper and one defender, we could deploy 6 midfielders and 3 strikers.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
Anyone heard of Sebastian Coates? I think he plays for Uruguay.  Rumour has it that he is a talented CB??? 

Dude, being part South American do you have any info on the lad?

new name to me, GD.

I am so involved as technical director  to the Panamanian national team, that I don't get the opportunity to get out much.  These south american lads need a lot of coaching.

It was the same when I was employed as Penalty Coach for the German national team.   So much work on my hands.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2011, 07:39:54 PM
Anyone heard of Sebastian Coates? I think he plays for Uruguay.  Rumour has it that he is a talented CB??? 

Dude, being part South American do you have any info on the lad?

A few people have mentioned him because of his Copa displays but I've not seen anything to indicate we're interested.

Here's another one for Ed's to dig up 11: Ralph Coates*. And a winger to boot.



*Dude and ASI will remember Ralph. Now he did have a comb over. Not just a token effort like Bobby Charlton.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 05, 2011, 07:44:36 PM
I remember Ralph! Played for Burnley. Right? I lived in London and a mate suported them. Imagine that?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2011, 07:49:56 PM
I remember Ralph! Played for Burnley. Right? I lived in London and a mate suported them. Imagine that?

And Spurs. His comb over trailed behind him like a bride's train.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 05, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
And Spurs. His comb over trailed behind him like a bride's train.

 ;D And we're talking a Princess Diana train!!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/01/article-1343248-0C8B9CA1000005DC-919_634x510.jpg)

possibly football's greatest ever comb over.

 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2011, 11:19:53 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/01/article-1343248-0C8B9CA1000005DC-919_634x510.jpg)

possibly football's greatest ever comb over.

I remember a picture of him in one of my old Shoot! annuals when I was ankle biter that made that comb over look a severe short back and sides. He was the sort of player that would get people off their seats if he played today.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2011, 11:43:25 PM
ah, you were a Shoot man too!  I loved Shoot.

Yes, Ralph would get folks off their seats, if he were around today.

It would be the first resurrection since Jesus.  (sorry couldnae resist) 


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2011, 11:50:11 PM
And  Ralph was far better with crosses.










*Taxi's on it's way.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2011, 11:54:16 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2011, 12:15:46 AM
Liverpool FC's Daniel Ayala off to Hull City

by James Pearce  Aug 6 2011



DANIEL AYALA is set to join Hull City after Liverpool agree a fee with the Championship outfit.

The 20-year-old Spanish defender has been given permission to discuss personal terms with the Tigers.

Ayala signed for the Reds from Sevilla in 2007 but has made just five first team appearances.

He impressed during a spell on loan at Hull last term and Tigers boss Nigel Pearson has made no secret of his desire to take Ayala back to the KC Stadium.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/08/06/liverpool-fc-s-daniel-ayala-off-to-hull-city-100252-29191276/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/08/06/liverpool-fc-s-daniel-ayala-off-to-hull-city-100252-29191276/)

I hope we've inserted a buy back clause or at least a sell-on clause incase he comes good in the Championship.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on August 08, 2011, 02:58:05 PM
Werder Bremen defender Per Mertesacker has admitted he fancies a move to England. The German international has been linked with Arsenal and Liverpool this summer.

"For a national player it is a good thing to get experience of playing abroad. I have said England excites me," Mertesacker said in the Bild newspaper.

No idea if he's any good...but hopefully he's like beckenbauer!!! Combined with Agger that'd be very fancy!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 08, 2011, 06:32:54 PM
Oliver Holt is claiming on twitter that Liverpool have made the first moves towards the signing of Scott Dann. No bids yet but its now a work in progress.

Im a bit sceptical about Dann. Havent seen alot of him but he doesnt strike me as a commanding presence that we need. Also he seems to have had problems with calf strains, hamstring strains etc. We dont need another Agger in terms of injury proneness. As I say though haven seen alot of him so not too sure how good he actually is. Obviously KD must rate him.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2011, 07:32:06 PM
Oliver Holt is claiming on twitter that Liverpool have made the first moves towards the signing of Scott Dann. No bids yet but its now a work in progress.

Im a bit sceptical about Dann. Havent seen alot of him but he doesnt strike me as a commanding presence that we need. Also he seems to have had problems with calf strains, hamstring strains etc. We dont need another Agger in terms of injury proneness. As I say though haven seen alot of him so not too sure how good he actually is. Obviously KD must rate him.

Ditto, Juan. I hope that the fact he's a Scouser and ex match going regular isn't having any influence on this decision. Obviously it would be brilliant to have another Scouser in the team. Maybe he's a late developer, which can definately happen, especially with centre halves.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 08, 2011, 11:09:59 PM
Dunno about you guy's but I think we made a huge error by signing Henderson first.  I have no doubt in my mind that Fergie wanted Jones but not this season but the next.  As soon as he got wind that LFC we're making an offer he moved fast to capture him.  The speed and swiftness in how we concluded the Henderson deal surely must of had Fergie scared $h1tless.  I personally feel we should have gone for Jones first, a CB should have been the number 1 priority.  Having watched Jones in the Charity Shield I couldn't help myself thinking only if..........

Scott Dan? Gary Cahill?  Who knows?  But neither will be as good Jones imho :(
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 08, 2011, 11:14:46 PM
Gurdeep, Ferdinand and Videc will be first choice with Jones filling in as required. Funny though. His first choice defenders conceded twice but his second choice kept a clean sheet.

Time will tell as to how wise the Henderson purchase was. He'll probably get his chance in League Cup games.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2011, 11:19:10 PM
Dunno about you guy's but I think we made a huge error by signing Henderson first.  I have no doubt in my mind that Fergie wanted Jones but not this season but the next.  As soon as he got wind that LFC we're making an offer he moved fast to capture him.  The speed and swiftness in how we concluded the Henderson deal surely must of had Fergie scared $h1tless.  I personally feel we should have gone for Jones first, a CB should have been the number 1 priority.  Having watched Jones in the Charity Shield I couldn't help myself thinking only if..........

Scott Dan? Gary Cahill?  Who knows?  But neither will be as good Jones imho :(

I guess they had their reasons but it would have been more comforting to have got the defence sorted first. Our need for someone like Henderson was less than our need for someone like Jones. Likewise leftback.
Hopefully we'll defend better by keeping hold of possession, something Henderson should help us do from what I've read about him.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 11, 2011, 10:57:38 AM
Valid point about the potential benefits of signing Jones first. Kennys transfer plan seemed to backfire in the sense that once United could see what we were up to not only did they sign Jones they made sure they got Young too.

I suppose on the other hand there was always a chance Jones would have still rejected us and that might of swayed Henderson toward signing for United too.

While Jones is a big miss surely there is one Jones playing in every major league, its just up to the scouting department and Comolli to weed them out. I think we need someone of the Vidic stature.

Anyway if we are intent on signing Scott Dann we are going to have to make our move, Arsenal have begun talks.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 11, 2011, 11:04:24 AM
Also it seems the breaking news is that we have agreed a 6 million fee with Newcastle for Enrique. He will now travel to us for a medical. Considering earlier in the summer Newcastle were quoting 10-15 million 6 million seems like a good deal. Now for a centre back.........
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 11, 2011, 04:00:33 PM
Very happy with the Enrique signing.  Seen quotes of £5.5M which if true, will be the bargain buy of the summer imo.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2011, 04:05:32 PM
Also it seems the breaking news is that we have agreed a 6 million fee with Newcastle for Enrique. He will now travel to us for a medical. Considering earlier in the summer Newcastle were quoting 10-15 million 6 million seems like a good deal. Now for a centre back.........

£5.5M according to the Echo: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/08/11/jose-enrique-set-for-liverpool-fc-move-after-fee-agreed-92534-29220528/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/08/11/jose-enrique-set-for-liverpool-fc-move-after-fee-agreed-92534-29220528/)

Either way it's an excellent piece of business. We should have a really good supply from the left flank. It's been a long time since we had so much creativity on that flank. Gleen Johnson could have a real battle to get a starting position at either full back slot but it would be good to see what he could do further forward on the right.

With a new centre half we could rest Carra enough so that he could play in the League Cup this season. I'd like to see him play all League Cup games with Danny Wilson next to him so he could mentor him like David Weir did at Rangers. If we can also save Aurelio for the League Cup, then Wilson would be flanked by two vastly experienced players. Carra would be making a huge contribution to the future of the club if he can help develop Wilson and he could be made captain for the competition. Also with Aurelio in the team it would help Doni and if Flannagan gets the nod at right back, we'd have the perfect blend of youth and experience without weakening the defence too much like we've done in recent seasons in this competition.
As we're the most successful team in the history of this competition it would be nice to further our record this season. We need to start winning trophies again.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 11, 2011, 09:53:20 PM
Sky Sports reckon we'll lose out to Arsenal over Scott Dann but I reckon if we make an approach he would choose us over them. He was born in Liverpool after all and was a season ticket holder.

I don't know if you're allowed to approach someone once another club is 'talking' to them but I don't see why not. If we don't get him then realistically who is left? Per Mertesacker has been linked and seems pretty good. He's 26 too.

Who would be the better choice? Once the CB position is filled that's all the boxes ticked I think.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2011, 11:56:46 PM
Valid point about the potential benefits of signing Jones first. Kennys transfer plan seemed to backfire in the sense that once United could see what we were up to not only did they sign Jones they made sure they got Young too.

I suppose on the other hand there was always a chance Jones would have still rejected us and that might of swayed Henderson toward signing for United too.

While Jones is a big miss surely there is one Jones playing in every major league, its just up to the scouting department and Comolli to weed them out. I think we need someone of the Vidic stature.

Anyway if we are intent on signing Scott Dann we are going to have to make our move, Arsenal have begun talks.

Unfortunately with both players there was always a better than evens chance that both would choose the Mancs over us. They can offer CL football and realistically are a better bet to challenge for and even win the title. Additionally, despite our high wage bill, they could offer even more than us should they choose to do so.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 12, 2011, 12:02:43 AM
Trotters in bid for Ngog

August 11, 2011 8:55pm


Skysports.com understands Bolton Wanderers have made a bid to sign Liverpool striker David Ngog.

Bolton boss Owen Coyle is in the market for attacking additions after Daniel Sturridge returned to Chelsea after an impressive loan spell and Johan Elmander joined Galatasaray.

Turkish forward Tuncay is close to finalising a loan move to the Reebok Stadium and Coyle is now stepping up his interest in Ngog.

The 22-year-old has scored 19 goals in 94 appearances for Liverpool since he moved to Anfield from Paris St Germain three years ago.

He was linked with a move to Sunderland earlier in the summer as part of the deal which saw England midfielder Jordan Henderson join Liverpool.

However, he could now be offered the opportunity to link up with Bolton after the club made a bid in the region of £4million for the Frenchman.

Coyle has also been linked with Birmingham City's Cameron Jerome as he tries to improve his options up front before the transfer window closes at the end of August.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11672_7094128,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11672_7094128,00.html)

If the £4M fee is true then let's get the deal done. That gives us a near 300% profit and another inflated salary off the payroll. Let's just make sure we insert a sell-on clause so that if he does come good and a more wealthy mid-table team come in for him, we get a slice of that pie also.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 12, 2011, 12:58:05 PM
So Enrique signs on. I cant see him playing tomorrow but we are slowly but surely assembling a quality squad.

Tes you point out Ngog is on his way out. Well if the Liverpool echo is to be believed we have no interest in signing Scot Dann. And with the way Liverpool have been deliberately slow in their attempts to sign certain players in the hope to get them cheaper, i.e Suarez, Adam, Enrique maybe they are doing the same with the likes of Cahill. Bolton wont want to lose him on the free next year. So what are the chance we sign Cahill slightly below market value also with Ngog going the other way. IMO if Arsenal are signing Dann chances we are after Cahill are probably rising. Although Id have my reservations on Cahill if he were to sign we would have the makings of a very strong and very British side. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 12, 2011, 02:23:25 PM
I think the question with Dann (leaving aside his place of birth and choice of team growing up) is whether he was the perfect partner for Roger Johnson and Johnson the perfect partner for him, hence each made the other look good. With Cahill there's not that worry, I guess. Cahill stands or falls on his own merits.

Again, it's not a case of who is better, but who would form a better partnership with the centre backs we have, and who has the potential to be able to partner another, as yet unknown, centre half.

Hyypia was part of two terrific centre back partnerships during his time with us.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 13, 2011, 12:17:58 AM
Although Id have my reservations on Cahill if he were to sign we would have the makings of a very strong and very British side.

sums up my attitude too, Juan.

it's disappointing to have missed out on our two main targets of the summer, the blackburn defender who went to utd.....and the villa lad who went to the same destination.

I am unsure if Kenny has a backup plan, after missing out on the blackburn defender.  Maybe he is hedging his bets and gonna do some research and wait for another transfer window.   
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on August 13, 2011, 01:03:57 AM
Maybe he is hedging his bets and gonna do some research and wait for another transfer window.   
Yeah, been thinking the same myself. Maybe for a long term replacement waiting could make sense!
Though, I think we will struggle in defense if hit by an injury or two in the centre, the dropped points
could come back to haunt us toward the end of the season....
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Maybe it'll prove to be the case that in our 'hour of need' a star is made from one of the reserves, Wisdom or maybe Coady would be tried there.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
Re: one of our 'missed' targets Marveaux. Apparently, he wasn't even on the bench against Arsenal. Did we duck just in time as the bullet approached?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 16, 2011, 02:57:30 PM
Not sure about this one but apparently (according to SSN) we have made an enquiry about Paddy McCourt for Celtic. This is possibly the strangest link Ive heard all summer. The guy is 27 and not a regular for Celtic. He scored two very good solo goals for Northern Ireland versus the Faroe Islands which has caught someone at the clubs attention. Generally when it comes to these flash in the pan players that hit the headlines out of the blue it never works out. Kenny and Comolli should maybe concentrate on sorting out our defence.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2011, 07:54:46 PM
Juan, I really can't see anything in it, likewise the Alex for £12M  :o rumour that's doing the rounds. I still think we'll end up with Cahill, probably in this or the January window. Throw in Soto Kyriakos, gives them a ready made replacement and gets one more of the wage bill.

QPR supposedly looking at Degen to replace Kieron Dyer. Would be the most ironic transfer of the Summer if it goes through.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on August 18, 2011, 09:22:00 PM
Gee, judging from todays paper, looks like Chelsea still have a bit
of business left to do in the transfer window!

Surprised to see them linked with Mata (only 'cos it hasn't been
mentioned previously!). Modric is well-known and this Meireles idea
doesn't appear to be going away!

I suppose it's one thing signing players.....the other being obviously
creating a team (I note Dalglish has form in this area!).

Have to say the combo of Silva to Johnson and then a whipped in
cross looked devastating Monday night.....see a lot of goals coming
from that.

Anyway good to see the competition is upping the stakes! Wouldn't
have it any other way! :D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2011, 10:12:53 PM
Surprised to see Mata still at Valencia, considering he's been odds on to sign for all last season's top 6 except the Mancs.

Mancini must have lost the page with Mata on in his real time Panini sticker book.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2011, 10:26:37 PM
Strong rumours everywhere have N'gog for £4M plus Sterling on loan and £10M for Cahill. I think a better loanee would be Wilson, as he needs first team football now and gives Bolton a replacement. Sterling, I think, needs to be developed further and also be older to ensure he's playing first team football when/if he goes out on loan.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 19, 2011, 12:49:55 AM
El Zhar released: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/el-zhar-to-leave-reds (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/el-zhar-to-leave-reds)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on August 19, 2011, 02:18:34 AM
I think a better loanee would be Wilson, as he needs first team football now and gives Bolton a replacement. Sterling, I think, needs to be developed further and also be older to ensure he's playing first team football when/if he goes out on loan.

Yeah, agree totally regarding Wilson, either he gets some first team action or he's likely to stagnate.....
Played at least half a season at Rangers, so I'd be surprised if there wasn't interest?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 19, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
Exactly Ed, if he doesn't get first team football he simply won't develop. I'm not convinced by what I've seen from him, but since leaving Rangers, where he played every game, he's hardly had any time on the pitch, and even then it was at left back.

Rangers would be a decent option as he'd still have David Weir mentoring him and he'd develop physically at least, though wouldn't be tested against any players of real quality, not even when playing Celtic.

I'd prefer him to go somewhere in the Premier League where they play football the right way and where he'd be encouraged to develop the footballing side of his game as well as the defensive one. Norwich would be another where they play the right way, under Paul Lambert. Whether the pressure of a struggle to stay in the league would help his development, I don't know. Bolton are a safe bet not to be involved in a relegation battle under Owen Coyle and the style of football he's trying to play, even with the bulk of Fat Sham's cloggers still there, is the correct one.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 19, 2011, 09:02:11 PM
LIVERPOOL WILL LET POULSEN LEAVE

By Pete O'Rourke



Christian Poulsen's agent has revealed Liverpool are willing to let the midfielder leave the club.

The Denmark international has found himself out of favour at Liverpool after failing to make an impact since arriving from Juventus last summer.

The summer signings of midfielders Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam have pushed Poulsen further down the pecking order at Anfield and the club are now prepared to offload the 31-year-old.

Poulsen's agent, Jorn Bonnesen, has confirmed the player has been told he will not be playing regularly for Liverpool this season and that he is looking for a new club for the midfielder.

"I've talked with Liverpool now. They have said that they are not confident that they can meet Christian's desire for playing time, and they understand that we are trying to find a new club for Christian," Bonnesen told bold.dk.

"We look about us and explore the options.

"There are clubs interested, but I can not tell more about the possibilities."


http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/11/08/19/manual_161337.html (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/11/08/19/manual_161337.html)

So the penny has finally dropped. He appears as slow on the uptake as he is getting around the pitch.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2011, 12:32:49 PM
Milan line up €7m Aquilani swoop

Saturday 20 August, 2011


Milan are on the verge of completing their €7m swoop for Liverpool midfielder Alberto Aquilani.

Riccardo Montolivo had been the primary target for the summer, but on Friday Fiorentina director Pantaleo Corvino scoffed at their proposal and declared he would “only be sold abroad.”


With this in mind and time running out, the Rossoneri have transferred their efforts to signing Aquilani instead.


The midfielder is an Italian international who has made it abundantly clear he’d like a return to Serie A after Juventus refused to take up their option on his loan spell.


According to the Gazzetta dello Sport, Liverpool are prepared to part with Aquilani for only €7m.


It is a huge drop from the €20m the Reds paid for this player to take him from Roma in August 2009.



http://www.football-italia.net/aug20i.html (http://www.football-italia.net/aug20i.html)

€7M is a joke. Further down the page Milan are being linked with an €8M bid for Crouch. Aquailani's an Italian international, obviously knows the league and is 3 years younger than Crouch.
We need to hold firm. We were charged €20M by an Italian team for him to play in the PL, and he wasn't even fit to play when we signed him. Now he's proven his fitness, in his own league, there's no risk he won't adapt and he's become a regular Italian international since leaving Roma.
We shouldn't even start negotiations at anything below €10M. In addition, we have to give Roma 5% due to the sell-on clause.
How many times have we been the victim of being overcharged due to the selling club having a sell-on fee due to a previous club and then there's the English tax. It's about we introduced an Italian tax to Italians, and additionally, a sell-on premium. Also, we should have a sell-on clause in the sale contract as he's probably got one more move in him, which is almost assured as Italian clubs regularly trade Italian players, and we need to start be beneficiaries of sell-on clauses, not just victims of them.

We need to get tougher when dealing with any foreign clubs. Whenever any English club attempts to buy off a foreign club they are always quoted a much high fee than players moving between any other European clubs. There seems to be one price for the PL clubs and another for the rest of Europe (thankyou, Abramovich and Mansour). So we need to start playing the same game of hardball. If we're expected to 'buy high' then we 'sell high' also.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 22, 2011, 05:33:07 PM
Inter have bid for Kuyt.

Super player great experience but if the price is right would it be good business to sell and reinvest the money in someone younger?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 22, 2011, 05:44:31 PM
Inter have bid for Kuyt.

Super player great experience but if the price is right would it be good business to sell and reinvest the money in someone younger?

Don't agree Juan. With all our new midfielders we need Dirk's experience until they bed in.  I'm not sure he would want to go anyway. He's been one of our most consistent performers over the years and has fantastic energy levels.

We also need him as a spare striker. With Ngog probably leaving that only leaves Carroll and Suarez as recognised strikers. Injuries or suspensions to those two could leave us in the do-do without Dirk.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 22, 2011, 06:42:12 PM
Im not saying let him go ASI but more exploring the idea.

I agree hes been one of our top players. But one thing about being a top manager is knowing when the time is right to let a player go. Fergies done it, so has Wenger. Is this one of Kennys first big tests?

On another note Krgiakos signed for Bremen. We must have another centre back en route.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 22, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
Juan,

We offered him a contract extension in the wake of last season's 2nd half performances. Reading the story on Sky Sports it seems his agent is the one making the suggestion. I take your point about when to release players but he's too versatile and intelligent a player for us to lose this season.

Good news that Soto has gone. A reasonable performer for free but we need better quality. I suspect having released him and El Zhar and with Poulsen, Cole and Aquilani looking for new clubs the way does look clear for a new CB and maybe striker.

Ngog to Bolton and Cahill in return is my guess.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 22, 2011, 10:00:01 PM
Inter have bid for Kuyt.

Super player great experience but if the price is right would it be good business to sell and reinvest the money in someone younger?

This is false.  This is a story from last year when Benitiz was in charge @ Inter.  It's been released again but there is absolutely no truth in it whatsoever. 

Move on, nothing to see here..lol
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 22, 2011, 11:52:34 PM
Seems we are now being linked with sebastian coates and craig bellamy. Not sure bellamy would be the best influence for carroll
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2011, 12:23:23 AM
On another note Krgiakos signed for Bremen. We must have another centre back en route.

Soto's signed for Wolfsburg, Juan. Shame they couldn't take Degen and Poulsen back to the Bundesliga also.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2011, 12:25:44 AM
IF Kuyt was to go for a reasonable sum and it meant we could bring Adam Johnson in to replace him it wouldn't be the end of the world. The only negative aspect would us being a striker light and then finding a replacement could prove tough.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on August 23, 2011, 06:56:04 AM
Can't see Kuyt wanting to go tbh....but after Torres then nothing can be taken for granted...Inter are being linked with nearly every player in christendom lately (in spain it's all about kaka inter bound) so i take it with a pinch of salt...
i see we're linked with bellamy and sebastian coates...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2028992/Liverpool-interested-signing-striker-Craig-Bellamy.html

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 23, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
Dirk is an inspiration.

He is always my first man on the team-sheet (him and Reina).

Do not believe the media.  The stray dogs will hunt in the sewers, in order to try and sow seeds of unrest at Liverpool. 


Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 23, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
If reports are correct, LFC have signed Sebastian Coates from Nacional.  Time for YouTube me thinks!
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 23, 2011, 04:48:33 PM
If reports are correct, LFC have signed Sebastian Coates from Nacional.  Time for YouTube me thinks!

Sorry, correction.  We've made a formal bid to Nacional.  Sheikh City plus another club are monitoring.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.528731,-0.578937
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
Sorry, correction.  We've made a formal bid to Nacional.  Sheikh City plus another club are monitoring.


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I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.528731,-0.578937

Apparently Mancini's been told that Nasri will be the last player in (if the deal goes through) unless he swifts his expensively assembled dead forest.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 23, 2011, 05:26:44 PM
wow, gurdeep, you are near david brent country (slough).


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 23, 2011, 08:28:56 PM
Apologies Tes meant Wolfsburg.

Poor Mancini, cant believe the Sheik wont let him go for anyone after Nasri. Cant see why Coates would sign for Citty over us anyway, well aside from £££. He probably wouldnt get a game and we have Suarez already there if he needs any convincing.

City will surely have so many players outside of the 25 man squad rule who wont be able to play. And 14 of them wont be happy because they cant get a game. Its a nice luxury to have but wont be a nice club to be at if the results dont always go their way.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Exactly Juan, it's become a circus. They've already got Kompany, who was arguably their player of the season, Toure when his mess is sorted out, Lescott (another massively expensive signing), Micah Richards and Stefan Savic, who they signed earlier in the Summer.

There's a large pool of players there not even named in their 25 man squad, being paid huge sums in order to simply train, with no chance of any match time.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 24, 2011, 01:30:55 AM
I have felt for some time, that what the second tier clubs (the likes of Villa, Spurs, Everton, etc) and below, should be doing, is to deliberately pursue an economic/financial war with the big spending top tier clubs.

the likes of man city, chelsea and united (liverpool too), will have all their players on top paying contracts.

well, these big clubs always need to get rid of some of their players each year (in order to get new lads in).....and if other clubs refused to take these players off the big clubs hands....then the top clubs would be totally snookered, financially.

instead, spurs, villa, everton etc should instead be buying cheaply abroad.  And in doing so, they would curtail the spending habits of the top tier clubs. 




Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 24, 2011, 04:50:15 PM
wow, gurdeep, you are near david brent country (slough).

Not near me dear but live in David Brent country  ;D ;D ;D

Come to think of it, I've no idea how that map link came up.  Must be a new Tapatalk feature  ::)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 24, 2011, 04:57:08 PM
Nacional board have approved the sale of Coates to LFC.  They had been waiting for a bid from Sheikh City to create a bidding war but that did not materialise.  Plus the player indicated that he preferred LFC due to Suarez.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 24, 2011, 10:26:28 PM
Not near me dear but live in David Brent country  ;D ;D ;D

Come to think of it, I've no idea how that map link came up.  Must be a new Tapatalk feature  ::)

I had to google to find out what tapatalk is (I am an old foggie when it comes to this new fangled mobile technology stuff).

loved that slough based Office series.  So close to reality in a lot of office environments. 

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 24, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Nacional board have approved the sale of Coates to LFC.  They had been waiting for a bid from Sheikh City to create a bidding war but that did not materialise.  Plus the player indicated that he preferred LFC due to Suarez.

good name as a source for future humour.

Taxi for coates.

I'll get me coat.

Coates off.

Coates for posts.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 25, 2011, 01:29:22 PM
I have felt for some time, that what the second tier clubs (the likes of Villa, Spurs, Everton, etc) and below, should be doing, is to deliberately pursue an economic/financial war with the big spending top tier clubs.

the likes of man city, chelsea and united (liverpool too), will have all their players on top paying contracts.

well, these big clubs always need to get rid of some of their players each year (in order to get new lads in).....and if other clubs refused to take these players off the big clubs hands....then the top clubs would be totally snookered, financially.

instead, spurs, villa, everton etc should instead be buying cheaply abroad.  And in doing so, they would curtail the spending habits of the top tier clubs.

In theory doesnt sound like a bad idea Dude but couldnt see it working. Especially with the foreigner rules now and all that. Villa Everton etc feed off the scraps and players looking for a stepping stone to major clubs.

Smaller clubs do often benefit from richer clubs indulgences too. 10 years ago loaning a player like Adeybeyor who cost 25 million to another club who finished just 2 spots below them would have been unheard of. Now its run of the mill stuff.

Heck im surprised a smaller team didnt try to pick up Aquillani on the cheap, even someone like Stoke who have done tremendous work. Hes work a punt for the 5 or 6 million we seemingly want. His wages probably would have been the problem and it would have been doubtful whether he would have gone there but who knows. Could have added some finesse to the team.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 25, 2011, 01:34:54 PM
Seems like the Bellamy link is real. Doesnt fit in with our current player profile but maybe its just a one off.

The BBC are reporting that we will take him from City if we can get him for free. Hes definitely a risk. He could upset the apple cart off the field. Also not sure City would be willing to give us anyone for free.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 25, 2011, 02:35:33 PM
aye, Craig apparently is looking for a club.

John Arne knows all too well when that happened last time.

I'll get me coates.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2011, 11:22:11 PM
Bellamy on a free makes no sense. His knees are shot to pieces and I can't see him agreeing to a 'pay as you play' contract at 32, and if we do stump up £95k a week, his current City wages, that would be sheer madness.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2011, 11:30:10 PM
Aquilani's gone on loan to Milan. Apparently there's a mandatory purchase clause in his contract once he plays a set number of matches for them.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 26, 2011, 09:39:56 PM
they have 25 games, before they have to buy him.

so essentially, he is on a 24 game trial at AC Milan.

And EVEN THEN, if they should lower themselves enough to buy him, it will cost them a mere 7 million quid. 

Peanuts, bluddy peanuts. 

Why can't we buy players under such conditions. 
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 27, 2011, 06:16:04 AM
I'm actually quite gutted that he's gone back to Italy.  This guy was head n shoulders above the rest during pre-season.  A shame he and his family couldn't settle down here.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 27, 2011, 11:33:59 AM
I'm actually quite gutted that he's gone back to Italy.  This guy was head n shoulders above the rest during pre-season.  A shame he and his family couldn't settle down here.

On seeing him for 10 minutes against Valerenga I thought theres no way Kenny can sell.

A week later seeing him start against Valencia I was full of hope he would replicate his previous performance but I thought he ended up being poor enough.

I think it will be a case of we will never know if he could have made it. With all the players we have for his position I suppose Kenny couldnt have him hanging around to find out if he might succeed.

Still a pity to see him go.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 27, 2011, 11:39:33 AM
Bellamy on a free makes no sense. His knees are shot to pieces and I can't see him agreeing to a 'pay as you play' contract at 32, and if we do stump up £95k a week, his current City wages, that would be sheer madness.

What I dont understand is if we are willing to pay Bellamy those kind of wages why not just sign Forlan instead. I know he is seen as a flop from his United days but that was a different player.

Great attitude, great player and it would probably help get the best out of Suarez and Coates.

A free bellamy or 5 million quoted for Forlan. No brainer imo.  Forlan is guaranteed to add to team morale. Same cant be said for Bellamy.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 27, 2011, 11:42:19 AM
Also have to say great work from Kenny and Damien getting rid of Insua and the rest of the dead wood at the club.

Not sure why Insua didnt make it. Thought he was nailed on to succeed. Even more surprised he wasnt snapped up by other PL clubs.

Anyway like Aquillani you can just hope he does well at Lisbon.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2011, 09:10:14 PM
Great point Juan. Outgoing transfer activity has been impressive. Poulsen, Degen and Cole to go (N'goal I think is nailed on for Bolton) and that's us in as good a shame as we've been in ages.

Credit to Kenny, Comolli, Tom Werner and John Henry. We're in the best shape going forward since the halcyon days of John Smith and Peter Robinson.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 29, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
Telegraph reporting we are in talks with yossi. If it was on a free fair enough but i wouldnt be giving them a transfer fee and i would halve his wages for ditching us in the first place.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 29, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
Contracdicting reports re Benayoun and Meireles. Apparently we have turned down a bid of 8 million from chelsea for Meireles with Yossi coming the other way. We cant be strengthening our rivals especially when its a measly 8 or 10 million. They give us their dead wood and we give them a cut price top player.

Other sources say ourselves and Arsenal are after Benayoun.

As long as Meireles doesnt leave I would be happy to take Benayoun back in a stewards capacity. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2011, 07:14:52 PM
Chelsea are now rumoured to have had a £15M bid turned down. Either we're looking to keep him or get Sturridge as part of any deal.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on August 30, 2011, 08:18:48 PM
Would never entertain the notion of Benayoun coming back tbh...what's he done since he's left us? Apart from warm the bench at a 'bigger' club of course...no ta...
for any money i'd still see it as strengthening our competitors...and merieles is happy and played out of his skin for half the season...
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 30, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
LFC have twittered that Poulsen may be leaving.  Evian (French Club) have been given permission to talk to the player.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2011, 10:29:54 PM
LFC have twittered that Poulsen may be leaving.  Evian (French Club) have been given permission to talk to the player.

He's going to be a 'water carrier' in their midfield.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2011, 10:33:57 PM
what's he done since he's left us?

Been out with an achilles injury.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 30, 2011, 10:38:38 PM
To be honest i dont think benny deserves a second chance. If they signed him i fhink he could be a good squad player to have but as has already been said he left us for a so called bigger club.

Great work from kenny and comolli, whatever about the players coming in the fact they have almost rid us of cole poulsen ngog as well as the rest is just brilliant work. Comolli and kd should be commended.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 01:41:48 AM
To be honest i dont think benny deserves a second chance. If they signed him i fhink he could be a good squad player to have but as has already been said he left us for a so called bigger club.

Great work from kenny and comolli, whatever about the players coming in the fact they have almost rid us of cole poulsen ngog as well as the rest is just brilliant work. Comolli and kd should be commended.

We've mentioned it a few times but it will never be too many. Considering the amount of players we needed to shift and the amount we needed to bring in, it's been a superb window. Thanks to all concerned. They can be rightly proud of themselves.
Joe Cole seems to be the disappointment. He's at the stage of his career where he needs first team football and should be putting football ahead of £££££s. Lille can offer him CL football and chance to add a league winners medal to his collection. Surely that's worth more than any drop in wages he has to take, though no doubt we'll be subsidising his French adventure for him.
The unflushable Degen will cling on until next Summer and then he can bugger off and open a cheese shop in his native Switzerland.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 06:43:39 AM
He's going to be a 'water carrier' in their midfield.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 02:42:17 PM


OK then, he'll 'spring' into action for them whenever the manager wants him to.  ;D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 02:43:15 PM
Bellamy rumoured to be heading to Melwood for a medical.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 04:51:20 PM
Bellamy rumoured to be heading to Melwood for a medical.

..yes, but also reports that there is no deal in place with Sheikh Citeh......yet.

Watch this space :o :o :o
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 06:04:12 PM
More good news if true.  Degen to Rangers......fingers x
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on August 31, 2011, 08:17:30 PM
We've signed today.....Villyan Bijev!!! Huh?? Who he??
Bijev, an 18-year-old striker, has reportedly signed a three-year contract with a two-year option to continue with Liverpool after impressing for the Under-18 side at Anfield.

He will not need a work permit to play in England as he has Bulgarian citizenship. Bijev has represented USA at Under-18 level and been prolific for his club Cal Odyssey in the Development Academy.

But then it seems he's gone straight out on loan to Dusseldorf..
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 08:40:41 PM
More good news if true.  Degen to Rangers......fingers x

Damn!!!!  :o :o :o













*It now means I'm going to have to totally change my opinon of  that irritating little sh Ally McCoist.  ;D
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
N'gog has definately n'gone.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 10:03:32 PM
N'gog has definately n'gone.

Good news.

Bad news, no further info on Degen  rumour to Rangers.  Gutted.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 10:11:08 PM
Good news.

Bad news, no further info on Degen  rumour to Rangers.  Gutted.


Isn't there a car park somewhere that could do with an extra attendant?

Spurs have missed out on Cahill. I wonder what our chances of a cut price or pre-contract agreement are with him in January.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
Spurs have missed out on Cahill. I wonder what our chances of a cut price or pre-contract agreement are with him in January.

Good call, you might be onto something there.  Whilst Coates (have it on good authority it's pronounced Cwa' tes) is the replacement for the ageing Carragher.  It would make sense that we have another CB should Aggers body let him down during the season. Cahill would be ideal. Roll on winter transfer window :)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 31, 2011, 10:37:41 PM
Meireles hands in transfer request. Very strange so late.

Bellamy signs 2 year deal
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
Meireles hands in transfer request. Very strange so late.

Bellamy signs 2 year deal

Didn't see that coming.  Very late in the day!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
Didn't see that coming.  Very late in the day!

that's word for word, what John Arne said.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
I know Kenny had said in the past that if a player does not want to be there then they're welcome to leave, but in the case of Raul Meireles should we stay steadfast and reject his request? 

Seems as though Chelski are desperate to buy players who score against them....lol
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 10:53:46 PM
If they bid £40M for Modric, then it's £20M and we think about thinking about negotiating. Through in Sturridge + £ otherwise he waits until January. There's a pattern starting to emerge here with Chelsea and our players. A stand needs to be made.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 10:56:02 PM
General feeling on the twitter boards are that Chelsea have left it too late. LFC were open to selling RM all summer but this last minute transfer request is just too late. 

Chelski desperate to sign a creative midfielder after missing out on Modric. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 10:57:01 PM
Seems as though Chelski are desperate to buy players who score against them....lol

Villas-Boas in the hunt for Bruno Cheyrou.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 10:58:55 PM
By handing in a transfer request he's just saved us some £ on any pay-off. Playing a blinder here Raul.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 10:58:59 PM
£20M plus Sturridge, here you go Chelsea, we'll even gift wrap him for Xmas :)
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 11:03:17 PM
Transfer window is now officially closed.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 11:03:39 PM
Blackburn have signed Scott Dann. That's a really good deal for around £6M. Dann will be there for longer than Jones would have been anyway and they're £10M better off with an established player replacing a rookie (however promising).
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 11:11:15 PM
By handing in a transfer request he's just saved us some £ on any pay-off. Playing a blinder here Raul.

You've got to question some of the advice these players are getting from their agents.  But like you state, he's playing a blinder lol
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 31, 2011, 11:16:10 PM
Meireles has signed for Chelsea for £12M. Pity. But no point keeping a player who wants away.
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on August 31, 2011, 11:18:57 PM
Sad news indeed, liked him a lot.  Oh well, onwards and upwards as they say.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 31, 2011, 11:22:53 PM
Agreed Gurdeep but his appearances would have been limited especially with Gerrard soon to return.

Adding another striker is good business. I just hope Raul doesn't slot a through ball onto Torres for him to score when we play them.  :o
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 11:25:23 PM
Meireles has signed for Chelsea for £12M. Pity. But no point keeping a player who wants away.

Exactly. Team spirit and morale are priceless. Maybe this is why we tied Jordan Henderson up so quickly.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on August 31, 2011, 11:26:22 PM
Anything less than 15 million would be dispappointing.

Bit strange strengthening a rival especially when we didnt really need to sell after shifting so much dead wood.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
I just hope Raul doesn't slot a through ball onto Torres for him to score when we play them.  :o

I have no problem with them getting a consolation goal, as long as it's not at the Kop end.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2011, 11:32:38 PM
absolute madness allowing Moreless to leave.....and especially to one of our rivals.

Madness.

We are weaker tonight, after today's events.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on August 31, 2011, 11:34:14 PM
Presumably, the return of Stevie G offsets the departure of Meireles.....
Need to think about this one some more....LOL, Dude is gonna be
seriously pissed off methinks!  :)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
Anything less than 15 million would be dispappointing.

Bit strange strengthening a rival especially when we didnt really need to sell after shifting so much dead wood.

We know there's been discontent all Summer over his contract situation. He fitted in well here but we'll only have strengthened a rival if he slots in as well there. Torres is a case in point. Ditto Benayoun.

Let him rock the Chelsea boat when they bring in another midfielder in January or next Summer. Other players, at least publicly, have relished the competition new signings have brought. He, apparently, felt the opposite. He'll not neccessarily walk into Chelsea's midfield either. Still, counting his money will take him longer each month.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2011, 11:40:43 PM
 ;)


tis barmy, Ed............we have been trying to offload two of our most technical players since May - Moreless and Maxi.   

And we pay 36 million for someone who can't trap a bag of wet cement, and looks like a donkey running in wet treacle.

I think I am in the twilight zone.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 11:55:07 PM
I think I am in the twilight zone.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl0xq_the-twilight-zone-by-rush_music (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xl0xq_the-twilight-zone-by-rush_music)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2011, 11:57:22 PM
Fabregas and Nasri replaced by a 29 y.o Arteta and a 31 y.o Benayoun. New stadium, anyone?
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2011, 12:09:37 AM
;)


tis barmy, Ed....
Yeah, I need to wrap my head around the midfield set-up now.....could be a big issue of creative depth there!

We're left with Lucas, Gerrard and Adam in the centre (which is fair enough....) but then all that's left is
Hendersson and Spearing (I must be forgetting someone??)....Hendersson would need to settle in
pretty fast if that's the case....But we're still short a top player...

Was it the plan all Summer to lose Poulsen, Aquilani and Meireles??
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2011, 12:15:50 AM
We know there's been discontent all Summer over his contract situation. He fitted in well here but we'll only have strengthened a rival if he slots in as well there. Torres is a case in point. Ditto Benayoun.

Let him rock the Chelsea boat when they bring in another midfielder in January or next Summer. Other players, at least publicly, have relished the competition new signings have brought. He, apparently, felt the opposite. He'll not neccessarily walk into Chelsea's midfield either. Still, counting his money will take him longer each month.

True tes, torres and benny should have realised very few players that leave lfc go on to bigger and better things. Can only think of 2 arguably 3 in recent times, mcmanaman mascherano and xabi.

One thing about meireles he cant tackle. A touch soft. Centre mid -just better than average player, off the striker -very good
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2011, 12:34:24 AM
True tes, torres and benny should have realised very few players that leave lfc go on to bigger and better things. Can only think of 2 arguably 3 in recent times, mcmanaman mascherano and xabi.

One thing about meireles he cant tackle. A touch soft. Centre mid -just better than average player, off the striker -very good

Playing off the striker is a position he can excel in, or at least playing off Suarez. Long term, or even this season, where would he fit in, especially when Gerrard returns or Kuyt is played wide right? I think we'll see Henderson play that position, if he's not wide right. Then there's the possibility of Johnson moving forward when Kelly's fit, again seeing Henderson compete with Gerrard or even Suarez playing slightly withdrawn in a free role with Carroll the focal point of attack.
Then there's Shelvey, who Dalglish rates very highly.

I thinking he's looking at a structured and gradual building programme over the next two or three seasons based around younger players, with Adam, Downing, Agger etc being the 'veterans' at that stage. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2011, 12:39:14 AM
Fabregas and Nasri replaced by a 29 y.o Arteta and a 31 y.o Benayoun. New stadium, anyone?

sure looks like the issue Arsenal are dealing with, Tes.

I can imagine the arsenal forums are gonna be red hot tonight.

as for us - yip, steady as she goes....no new shiny 400 million quid coca cola stadium for liverpool.

PS - thanks for link....listening to it as I type here.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2011, 12:42:28 AM
Yeah, I need to wrap my head around the midfield set-up now.....could be a big issue of creative depth there!

We're left with Lucas, Gerrard and Adam in the centre (which is fair enough....) but then all that's left is
Hendersson and Spearing (I must be forgetting someone??)....Hendersson would need to settle in
pretty fast if that's the case....But we're still short a top player...

Was it the plan all Summer to lose Poulsen, Aquilani and Meireles??

sounds like it.

why would anyone want to get rid of Moreless..........I thought we might have a chance of challenging this season for the title.....but any challenge goes with Moreless.  :(

why not offer the guy top money.  FFS  Just look at what we were paying Cole.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2011, 01:00:57 AM
sounds like it.

why would anyone want to get rid of Moreless..........I thought we might have a chance of challenging this season for the title.....but any challenge goes with Moreless.  :(

why not offer the guy top money.  FFS  Just look at what we were paying Cole.

Cole would never have got anywhere near such a bloated payslip under FSG. Cole was one of Pursestring's brainwaves. If he was two years younger then I'd be really sorry to see Raul go, but I think we'll see Henderson grow over the next couple of seasons. There's also Pacheco, who has only gone on loan to Atletico. There's obviously a line of thinking behind that one also, and he plays the same position as Meireles.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2011, 01:10:55 AM
I thought we might have a chance of challenging this season for the title.....but any challenge goes with Moreless.  :(

why not offer the guy top money.
& why sell him to Chelsea????

What's most worrying, imo, is that we're almost back to where we were....way too much
responsibility given back to Gerrard. This has been one of the central problems for so long
(i know i'll get hammered for this  :) ), he takes on all the responsibility (because that's the
type of player he is), stifling the growth of a team that can do without him  :'(

Meireles was the sort of player that meant (as we did) we could do without Gerrard. Now, we're
back to Gerrard gets injured and what have we got in the centre
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Cole would never have got anywhere near such a bloated payslip under FSG. Cole was one of Pursestring's brainwaves. If he was two years younger then I'd be really sorry to see Raul go, but I think we'll see Henderson grow over the next couple of seasons. There's also Pacheco, who has only gone on loan to Atletico. There's obviously a line of thinking behind that one also, and he plays the same position as Meireles.

potential for the future, Tes.

but this season?  I thought we looked awesome with the likes of moreless, kuyt and suarez leading the offence.  Technical brilliance.  The type of play that other teams cannot live with. 

there has to be more behind this.....the lad must have wanted away, or there has been a clash somewhere along the line.  Makes no sense otherwise.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2011, 01:31:19 AM
& why sell him to Chelsea? ???

What's most worrying, imo, is that we're almost back to where we were....way too much
responsibility given back to Gerrard. This has been one of the central problems for so long
(i know i'll get hammered for this  :) ), he takes on all the responsibility (because that's the
type of player he is), stifling the growth of a team that can do without him  :'(

Meireles was the sort of player that meant (as we did) we could do without Gerrard. Now, we're
back to Gerrard gets injured and what have we got in the centre

Ed, the type of play we saw in the final months of last season, and the first few weeks of this season, are EXACTLY what I predicted (with Gerrard's twilight years and influence on the wane) and wanted. 

You can now see the type of play I wanted all along, this past decade.  TEAM play....technical football, played at a decent pace.  Nobody hogging the ball.  Quick, clean passes, to feet.

Selling Mereless ruins it, for this season.  But at least we have glimpsed the future.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2011, 01:53:16 AM
Ed, the type of play we saw in the final months of last season, and the first few weeks of this season, are EXACTLY what I predicted (with Gerrard's twilight years and influence on the wane) and wanted. 

You can now see the type of play I wanted all along, this past decade.  TEAM play....technical football, played at a decent pace.  Nobody hogging the ball.  Quick, clean passes, to feet.

Selling Mereless ruins it, for this season.  But at least we have glimpsed the future.

I have to admit it was awesome to be playing some great football, winning games and
not relying on Gerrard to save the day (okay, we are a bit too reliant on Suarez at the moment  :)).

Still, like you say, there were signs of a team of equals being built out there, everyone knowing their role
and how they functioned within the unit.

Gonna see what Kenny has to say about it, but unless Stevie G stays fit 'til Christmas and it's dealt
with in that window it's ludicrous, imo, (given the squads the top 3 have) to say that we're in anything
other than a dogfight for 4th.

Real shame, because there's a youthfulness about United (in particular their keeper) that makes them look
vulnerable if Rooney gets injured.

I think, it's fair to say that something went wrong somewhere at the end of what was a very good transfer
window for us. Maybe there's a silver lining and we get the right guy for the centre in January (might be
too late by then though).
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on September 01, 2011, 05:47:37 AM
Well that's p***** me off, i went to bed and all was well and get up at 6am and merieles' has been sold to our chief rival for 3/4, brilliant...
Chelsea look panicky and squeezing results..we have an abundance of riches so letting aquilani go is one thing, but our other creative midfielder???????????? We have strengthened Chelsea's hand here...ah but at least we got great money for him at least....WHAT??? 12 mil...FFS

It seems to be a question about his contract...and surely keeping our best players happy (within reason) should take precedent over whoever we bring in...

Bad bad decision, and i'm as angry about it as when Rafa sold murphy off...

I'm off to mope...
Title: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on September 01, 2011, 07:24:29 AM
Although the timing was not great, LFC have been open to offers for RM all summer so no real surprise he's gone, just the timing of it all.

I would liked to have seen him stay but the club will always be bigger than the individual.  It's something we have to get used to again as fans because I believe over the last 10 or so years we have relied on individuals not the team. We've kind of become conditioned to thinking "Oh $h1t" he's left, we're screwed etc etc

Probably not making much sense there but hope you get the drift....
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on September 01, 2011, 07:26:39 AM
Bad news, no further info on Degen  rumour to Rangers.  Gutted.

Liverpool Football Club have tonight confirmed they have cancelled the registration of Philipp Degen by mutual consent.

 8)
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on September 01, 2011, 08:02:06 AM
Although the timing was not great, LFC have been open to offers for RM all summer so no real surprise he's gone, just the timing of it all.

I would liked to have seen him stay but the club will always be bigger than the individual.  It's something we have to get used to again as fans because I believe over the last 10 or so years we have relied on individuals not the team. We've kind of become conditioned to thinking "Oh $h1t" he's left, we're screwed etc etc

Probably not making much sense there but hope you get the drift....

Me too find it hard to accept he's gone. I always liked the player an given the circumstances when he arrived at the club I think he's done a very good job always offering something to the team. I hear he had a desire to leave and in contrast to Torres I don't have a problem with that. He knew he'd struggle to get 10 starts this season with Gerrard back and with a fellow country man at the helm at Chelsea he's probably guaranteed double that amount.

Thanks for a good job and the goal against Chelsea!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2011, 12:13:58 PM
Im disappointed hes gone but its not the end of our season like people are predicting. We still have an abundance of quality at the club, we've probably lost one of our top subs because it looks as though thats the role he would have played this season. As many of you guys have said its all about the team now not just one player so we shouldnt have been over relying on one player anyway. He will do well at chelsea when he gets a game but i dont think hes what they need. A midfield of meireles, ramieres and mata has the potential to get kicked around the premier league its so physically weak.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2011, 12:22:07 PM
there has to be more behind this.....the lad must have wanted away, or there has been a clash somewhere along the line.  Makes no sense otherwise.

Apparently he was given a verbal promise by Purslow that his wages would be reviewed and increased depending on how his first season went. FSG were reluctant to stand to that considering his age and their desire to lower the wage bill. Also Dalglish didn't view him as a team player. Fine when we have the ball, not interested when we don't. Apparently he and his agent started as soon as the season was finished. Also, he was upset that we'd dare to bring in other midfielders. Whatever his technical skills he didn't have the mentality that is needed if we're to build something special. Dalglish is not one to indulge anyone.

Whilst £12M appears on the low side, what price do we put on total dressing room harmony and undisturbed team spirit. If it makes the difference between CL qualification and not, then £12M is a good deal.

Additionally, he's worked with Villa-Boas, there's fellow countrymen also in Boswinga and Hilario and he and his wife will fancy the London life. Modern footballers think as much about money, location, fellow countrymen etc as they do about any footballing aspect and within Europe, players and coaches change clubs more frequently than we're used to seeing here.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2011, 11:14:42 PM
Im disappointed hes gone but its not the end of our season like people are predicting. We still have an abundance of quality at the club, we've probably lost one of our top subs because it looks as though thats the role he would have played this season. As many of you guys have said its all about the team now not just one player so we shouldnt have been over relying on one player anyway. He will do well at chelsea when he gets a game but i dont think hes what they need. A midfield of meireles, ramieres and mata has the potential to get kicked around the premier league its so physically weak.

he was a great team-minded attacking player, Juan.  Superb technique.   

I agree re Chelsea.  Every player seems to fall into a black hole when they go there.  Benni was technically superb - and ok he had injury issues, but still, even when fit, he rarely got a look in.  Chelsea's owner never learns.  It's all about the latest toy...be it managers, players or staff.  And he throws toys behind him at a whim.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2011, 11:24:07 PM
Apparently he was given a verbal promise by Purslow that his wages would be reviewed and increased depending on how his first season went. FSG were reluctant to stand to that considering his age and their desire to lower the wage bill. Also Dalglish didn't view him as a team player. Fine when we have the ball, not interested when we don't. Apparently he and his agent started as soon as the season was finished. Also, he was upset that we'd dare to bring in other midfielders. Whatever his technical skills he didn't have the mentality that is needed if we're to build something special. Dalglish is not one to indulge anyone.

Whilst £12M appears on the low side, what price do we put on total dressing room harmony and undisturbed team spirit. If it makes the difference between CL qualification and not, then £12M is a good deal.

Additionally, he's worked with Villa-Boas, there's fellow countrymen also in Boswinga and Hilario and he and his wife will fancy the London life. Modern footballers think as much about money, location, fellow countrymen etc as they do about any footballing aspect and within Europe, players and coaches change clubs more frequently than we're used to seeing here.

he never reminded me of the type to cause disharmony in the changing room, Tes.

interesting re Kenny maybe not caring for his work attitude, when we do not have the ball.

I had regularly heard of the promised pay rise issue. 

Personally, I wonder if our reluctance to increase his pay was linked to the bigger picture of the oncoming UEFA Fair Play Rules.  And his age (on such a higher pay scale) certainly would not fit in with our owner's business model.

There has to be more to this.  I do not think it was related much to on-field performances....I suspect it was linked to a bigger overall picture at the club.  Just MHO. 

A great loss to any title ambitions we might have had this season. 

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2011, 12:16:35 AM
A midfield of meireles, ramieres and mata has the potential to get kicked around the premier league its so physically weak.

Malouda, Lampard, Mikel, Essien (when he recovers from injury), and Kalou who doesn't play as a forward too often in addition to Ramires and Mata and the only possible opening for Meireles is on the right. However with Boswinga, Hilario, Ferreira and of course Villas-Boas, plus Portugese speakers Luiz, Alex and Ramires it seem like a real Algarve by the Thames from home for him, so you can see the appeal and of course the payslip.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 02, 2011, 12:42:42 AM
Rory smith gives us some idea behind the meireles departure. This is the new liverpool and i have to say i like it. Cant believe we got rid of 19 players.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8735693/Liverpool-manager-Kenny-Dalglish-completes-a-summer-of-bloodletting-at-Anfield-with-a-leaner-meaner-squad.html
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Martinmarx on September 02, 2011, 01:46:22 PM
Apparently he was given a verbal promise by Purslow that his wages would be reviewed and increased depending on how his first season went. FSG were reluctant to stand to that considering his age and their desire to lower the wage bill. Also Dalglish didn't view him as a team player. Fine when we have the ball, not interested when we don't. Apparently he and his agent started as soon as the season was finished. Also, he was upset that we'd dare to bring in other midfielders. Whatever his technical skills he didn't have the mentality that is needed if we're to build something special. Dalglish is not one to indulge anyone.

Whilst £12M appears on the low side, what price do we put on total dressing room harmony and undisturbed team spirit. If it makes the difference between CL qualification and not, then £12M is a good deal.

Additionally, he's worked with Villa-Boas, there's fellow countrymen also in Boswinga and Hilario and he and his wife will fancy the London life. Modern footballers think as much about money, location, fellow countrymen etc as they do about any footballing aspect and within Europe, players and coaches change clubs more frequently than we're used to seeing here.

When you think of it that way maybe his departure was for the better. An extremly well put and argumented post. Cheers for that, tes!
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 02, 2011, 03:23:17 PM
some reports had him on 30, some on 35 grand a week, at Anfield.

that is absolute peanuts for his skill level, and experience/age.  It is unheard of.....more the wages that someone would earn 5 years ago.

if we reneged on a promise (and make no mistake the lad did perform well), then he has every right to feel aggrieved and want away.  I'd feel exactly the same way myself.  Fair play to him, he hasn't made a song and dance about it.

If that is the new way that we do business, then it certainly is goodbye to the Moores era (of over the top kindness and decency).

PS - agree with Juan and others, that Chelsea will never get the best out of him.








Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2011, 10:01:50 PM
Dude, it was Purslow, and therefore by extension Hicks and Gillett, that made the verbal agreement. FSG have no obligation to keep a 'promise' made by the previous management, especially when so many of the contracts handed out by the previous regime landed the club with a ridiculously high wage bill. Maybe if he'd have been a bit more patient, forced his way into the team as a starter and once the wage bill had been reduced, which apparently it has been by £30M, he would have had his contract looked at again.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2011, 04:50:03 PM
Dude, it was Purslow, and therefore by extension Hicks and Gillett, that made the verbal agreement. FSG have no obligation to keep a 'promise' made by the previous management, especially when so many of the contracts handed out by the previous regime landed the club with a ridiculously high wage bill. Maybe if he'd have been a bit more patient, forced his way into the team as a starter and once the wage bill had been reduced, which apparently it has been by £30M, he would have had his contract looked at again.

you're right, Tes re it being a promise from the previous regime.

but from a footballing perspective, with no obvious replacement at the end of the window, I find it frustrating and mystifying.

the lad is technically excellent.  He is a mature player, late 20s.  Even if he does not start all the games, look at the impact he can make as a sub.  Look at the understanding he had with the rest of our offence.  It was a joy to watch the offence, when Suarez, Kuyt, Downing and Moreless were in it (as opposed to the hoof-it to Carroll themed attack).

I guess it will move Maxi up the priority list re starting or coming on.  He is also a top notch player, technically superb.

But what frightens me, is that Liverpool were looking to offload him as well this summer. 

We need more of these types of player, not less.

But overall, despite missing out on a couple of key targets, I have been very impressed with the work we have done in the market this summer. 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: barticus on September 03, 2011, 08:47:13 PM
We've had a superb transfer window...still irritated greatly by merieles....we've had cole and jovanovic sitting on planks for a year on 90k and 60k respectively and we can't give merieles (one of the star players when someone took charge who knew what they were doing) more than 35k???
Weirdness personified...
There's prudent and there's being tight...
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 03, 2011, 09:01:25 PM
I guess with their thinking being long term, there will be the occasional casulty as things are sifted and sorted. He may be a short term miss but we'll look again in January if there's an obvious hole.

Re Bellamy, he's a short term addition to bridge a gap whilst Adam Morgan develops and Pacheco is given more time, which explains why a 28 y.o was let go and a 32 y.o recruited.

It would also depend on what exactly was promised to Meireles. I don't see FSG giving Meireles a four year deal like Chelsea have done and usually a payrise involves a contract extension aswell.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
we've had cole and jovanovic sitting on planks for a year on 90k and 60k respectively and we can't give merieles (one of the star players when someone took charge who knew what they were doing) more than 35k???
Weirdness personified...
There's prudent and there's being tight...

mystified me too, barticus.

heck, one report had the lad on 30 grand.

to me, moreless was the difference, this season, in an outside title shot and no title shot.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 03, 2011, 11:24:32 PM
we've had cole and jovanovic sitting on planks for a year on 90k and 60k respectively and we can't give merieles (one of the star players when someone took charge who knew what they were doing) more than 35k???
Weirdness Purslow personified...
There's prudent and there's being tight...

Fixed it for you, Barticus. Looking back at last Summer, during Roy's tenure, just had me scratching my head in bemusement. (Well it would have done if I'd had any nails left to do it with).

This Summer's window is as far removed from last Summer's window as it is for just one club to be.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2011, 12:04:52 PM
It might take until January or the likes to find out if Kenny was right to sell. I back his judgement.

We could have a situation where Meireles is playing superb stuff for Chelsea scoring plenty of goals and aiding thier assault on the Premier League.

On the other hand we could have a situation where Meireles isnt getting his game for Chelsea, hasnt replicated his scoring exploits for Chelsea and we've gone and put the 12 million towards Eden Hazzard or the likes in the January transfer window.

Time will have to tell.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2011, 12:41:57 PM
I was interested to see what our net spend for 2011 was so I took a look at the transfer league that keeps account of all transfer goings on.

Player In                                  Players Out                         
J Henderson 16 mil                    P Konchesky  1.5mil
C Adam         7 mil                    C Mavinga      1 mil
Doni            Free                      G Bruna          750k
S Downing    20 mil                   M Jovanovic     Free
J Enrique      6.3 mil                   D Ayala          Free
S Coates       7 mil                     E Insua          Free
C Bellamy      Free                     C Poulsen      1 mil
V Bijev          Signed                  S Kryiakos       Free
                                               D Ngog          4 Mil
                                               R Meireles      12 mil
                                               T Ince            Free

Total         £56, 300,000                           £20,250,000                   Net £36,050,000

L Suarez     23 Mil                      F Torres         50 Mil
A Carroll      35 Mil                      R Babel          5.8 Mil

Total         £114,300,000                          £76,050,000                   Net £38,250,000

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2011, 12:50:18 PM
The fact that the club has been transformed in less than a year on a Net spend of approximatley 40 million is nothing short of miraculous.

And with Rory Smith reporting that we slashed 30 million off the wage bill this summer its easy to see this club is going places.

There seems to be a few players not on that transfer league like El Zhar but it still gives us the bigger picutre.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 04, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
So in reality, over a year, that will amount to a net spend of just £10M. In the past we've handed out ridiculous wage payments to players who, at best, might play a part in the squad.  Likewise, if we pick up a player on a free his salary shouldn't make up for a lack of a fee but rather should be valued in exactly the same way as a player who cost a fee, ie, on their likely contribution to and importance within the squad.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2011, 08:11:38 PM
So in reality, over a year, that will amount to a net spend of just £10M. In the past we've handed out ridiculous wage payments to players who, at best, might play a part in the squad.  Likewise, if we pick up a player on a free his salary shouldn't make up for a lack of a fee but rather should be valued in exactly the same way as a player who cost a fee, ie, on their likely contribution to and importance within the squad.

Good point tes, that makes the first year even more impressive. I cant see us sign many more free transfers unless they have undoubted premiership quality. Gary cahill next summer would fit that mould.

Stoke match next week. This is where the likes of carroll will show his worth. Exciting season ahead.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 05, 2011, 01:34:21 AM
Stoke match next week. This is where the likes of carroll will show his worth. Exciting season ahead.

Capello (and the media) are at it again questioning Carrolls's fitness, lifestyle etc:

LIVERPOOL'S ANDY CARROLL LOOKING A BAD FIT http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/269280/Liverpool-s-Andy-Carroll-looking-a-bad-fit (http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/269280/Liverpool-s-Andy-Carroll-looking-a-bad-fit)

England v Wales: Fabio Capello calls on Liverpool striker Andy Carroll to regain his sharpness http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8740596/England-v-Wales-Fabio-Capello-calls-on-Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-to-regain-his-sharpness.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8740596/England-v-Wales-Fabio-Capello-calls-on-Liverpool-striker-Andy-Carroll-to-regain-his-sharpness.html)

Fabio demands more focus from Carroll as £35m striker fails to impress boss on England duty http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2033746/Fabio-Capello-demands-focus-Andy-Carroll.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2033746/Fabio-Capello-demands-focus-Andy-Carroll.html)

Capello warns Carroll to get fit or risk missing out on England place http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/capello-warns-carroll-to-get-fit-or-risk-missing-out-on-england-place-2349376.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/capello-warns-carroll-to-get-fit-or-risk-missing-out-on-england-place-2349376.html)

And a more balanced and less sensationalist interpretation of Capello's comments:
CARROLL JUST NEEDS GAMES - CAPELLO http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/11/09/04/SOCCER_England_2nd_Nightlead.html&TEAMHD=soccer&BID=165 (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/11/09/04/SOCCER_England_2nd_Nightlead.html&TEAMHD=soccer&BID=165)

With the league season being interrupted yet again with what will be the third international match already this season, there's no wonder certain players can appear to struggle for fitness. Carroll didn't get a chance to build his match fitness and sharpness on Friday as he wasn't selected and with no game on Saturday, it could be two weeks since the last chance he even had to play. A break like that so early in the season does players no good when trying to build their fitness levels up again at the beginning of the season.

If Capello thought Carroll needs games to get fit, and as he pointed out, didn't start against Bolton last Saturday, then why wasn't he given the chance on Friday against Bulgaria, 6 days after the Bolton game?
It's not the club's job to get players fit for England. Dalglish has already commented on the fact that maybe he was rushed back too early last season, and no doubt our medical and sports science team have devised a programme for Carroll for the first few months of the season to build his fitness up and attempt to avoid a repeat of the injury he suffered last season. Afterall, they work with him far more than Capello and his fitness people.
Capello also mentions Defoe. Where are the Defoe headlines? Sorry, I forgot. He's one of 'Arry's boys, isn't he.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 07, 2011, 01:23:58 PM
If Capello thought Carroll needs games to get fit, and as he pointed out, didn't start against Bolton last Saturday, then why wasn't he given the chance on Friday against Bulgaria, 6 days after the Bolton game?

it was an important Euro 2012 qualifier, Tes.  He wasn't gonna give him a run-out in such a key game.

I think Capello is absolutely spot on re playing players who are on top of their game (thus Lampard and Carroll didn't get picked).  That was the old Liverpool style - big names count for nothing, form/fitness is the key.

The next few months at Liverpool are going to be critical for Andy.   35 million, paid for an injured player, who has played only 13 games this year, scoring only three goals (one of those against Exeter), who is struggling to get a game for Liverpool nevermind England.

Can the lad improve his on-the-ground technical ability, speed and lifestyle approach, at 22.  I dunno about those first two aspects.  Well, TBH, I do.

Crouch, at 10 million, would have offered a better aerial threat and far superior ground threat, than Andy.......and saved us a bucketload of cash too.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 07, 2011, 08:12:09 PM
it was an important Euro 2012 qualifier, Tes.  He wasn't gonna give him a run-out in such a key game.


I understand what you're saying Dude, but Capello is talking about Carroll from his point of view (as England's manager talking about an England player). It's not our job to get players fit for England. If Capello thought the game was too important to risk Carroll and help improve his match fitness, then maybe that's the view Dalglish has taken also. Though the flow of England's rather ponderous style would be less interupted by playing Carroll than the way we are developing would.

Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 07, 2011, 08:45:24 PM
What I couldn't understand last night is why Carroll came on in the 88th minute to replace Rooney. It wasn't as if Rooney was MoTM and would be given a standing ovation.  ::)

But I do think Carroll needs to be more responsible. If he has been drinking then the club should read him the riot act. It's not his fault he cost £35M but a certain level of behaviour is expected of all players irrespective of their price tag.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 07, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
What I couldn't understand last night is why Carroll came on in the 88th minute to replace Rooney. It wasn't as if Rooney was MoTM and would be given a standing ovation.  ::)

But I do think Carroll needs to be more responsible. If he has been drinking then the club should read him the riot act. It's not his fault he cost £35M but a certain level of behaviour is expected of all players irrespective of their price tag.

The price tag has become an issue that is being personally attached to Carroll, when he had nothing personally to do with it and no personal control over it. It's totally unfair that it's being used against him. His lifestyle, if it's a problem, is under his control, but I think that all sorts of things are being used because he's 'not looking like a £35M player'.
If there's any blame it should be directed at the clubs involved, us and Newcastle, for making him a '£35M player'.
The only questions that should be asked are whether he is suitable for our style of play and is he doing everything he can to be the best player he can possibly be.

As for Rooney, any attack England had, in the second half in particular, pretty much broke down when the ball reached him. Not all his fault, he was poorly supported, but there were times he should have done much better. Rooney should have been hooked and Carroll given the last half hour. Then again this is Rooney, and Carroll is the nation's latest 'bad boy'.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 07, 2011, 10:30:20 PM
It's not our job to get players fit for England. If Capello thought the game was too important to risk Carroll and help improve his match fitness, then maybe that's the view Dalglish has taken also.

what I cannot figure Tes, after 9 months, why is Andy not fit.

I hope to goodness we have not, YET AGAIN, paid big money (in this case a British record fee) for a crock.

But it matters not a lot to me (fitness level), I have seen enough of the lad, to be peeved at the money we have spent on him.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 07, 2011, 11:39:01 PM
Tes,

I'm not blaming Carroll for having a £35M tag. We both agree it's not his fault. But when I watch him play he does seem a lumbering giant. If he's carrying excess weight then it will be apparent to the doctors and Kenny and he will be given a fitness regime to shed it.

Other members of the squad have adapted well to the pass and move system. Carroll, with some application, should be able to adapt too. No-one is asking him to do the 100 yards in 10 secs but he's a big bloke and should be able to hold the ball up well. Heskey was pretty useful 10 years ago and he's a similar build.

Carroll has an excellent shot and rarely shoots high or wide. It shouldn't be impossible to play him in a position where he can use those strengths.

But there's no smoke without fire so Capello's comments about his drinking must have some substance and that needs to be tackled.

Stoke away on Saturday is an ideal game for him. Let's hope he can play and play well. He certainly deserves some game time because lack of it will affect his confidence.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 08, 2011, 03:08:25 PM
what I cannot figure Tes, after 9 months, why is Andy not fit.

I hope to goodness we have not, YET AGAIN, paid big money (in this case a British record fee) for a crock.

But it matters not a lot to me (fitness level), I have seen enough of the lad, to be peeved at the money we have spent on him.

Agreed, Dude, it's a head scratcher alright. Is he not fit or is this what Andy Carroll actually is?
As I've stated before on here I'm not a fan of the 'English target man' style of player.

The fee itself is one thing, but the biggest thing for me was the way it was decided. FSG said any replacement for Torres had to be £15M less than we received for Torres. No problem there. But having got £35M to play with we should have been keener with our valuations on the player(s) we were looking to spend the (Torres minus £15M) money on.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 08, 2011, 03:15:59 PM
Tes,

I'm not blaming Carroll for having a £35M tag. We both agree it's not his fault. But when I watch him play he does seem a lumbering giant. If he's carrying excess weight then it will be apparent to the doctors and Kenny and he will be given a fitness regime to shed it.

Other members of the squad have adapted well to the pass and move system. Carroll, with some application, should be able to adapt too. No-one is asking him to do the 100 yards in 10 secs but he's a big bloke and should be able to hold the ball up well. Heskey was pretty useful 10 years ago and he's a similar build.

Carroll has an excellent shot and rarely shoots high or wide. It shouldn't be impossible to play him in a position where he can use those strengths.

But there's no smoke without fire so Capello's comments about his drinking must have some substance and that needs to be tackled.

Stoke away on Saturday is an ideal game for him. Let's hope he can play and play well. He certainly deserves some game time because lack of it will affect his confidence.

The purchase was an odd one wasn't it, ASI. His attributes, and I think you've summed them up perfectly, do not seem to fit it with a team looking to play 'pass and move' where technique, an understanding of how to find and use space, mobility and ideally pace, are the main attributes required.
We're not looking to play with an individual as the focal point of the attack, but rather the position itself is the focal point where we rely on an individual being at the head of the attack and that individual changes depending on the movement of the other forward players.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 08, 2011, 10:10:38 PM
The purchase was an odd one wasn't it, ASI. His attributes, and I think you've summed them up perfectly, do not seem to fit it with a team looking to play 'pass and move' where technique, an understanding of how to find and use space, mobility and ideally pace, are the main attributes required.
We're not looking to play with an individual as the focal point of the attack, but rather the position itself is the focal point where we rely on an individual being at the head of the attack and that individual changes depending on the movement of the other forward players.
Tes, I'm not sure Carroll was bought with the pass 'n move policy in mind. We had a matter of hours to find a replacement for Torres and it was a very short list. Who else would have been available at such short notice? I suspect the club knew Newcastle's chairman would agree to a sale if the price was right. It wasn't a panic buy but it was close.

I'm sure Carroll is young and keen enough to learn to adapt to whatever system Kenny wants him to play in. And after the implied criticism this week by Capello Carroll will be keen to show his qualities. I would expect him to be some time against Stoke.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 09, 2011, 12:37:27 AM
If that's true, ASI, then at best it was a very poorly thought through purchase. All our other purchases, icluding Suarez, made prior to Carroll, fit the 'pass and move' profile.
With Carroll being injured at the time of purchase it also makes it a strange one as we wouldn't have had use of him anyway.
Chelsea allegedly offered us Sturridge + £40M. That would have been a more fitting purchase in every way.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 09, 2011, 05:01:52 PM
Didn't Torres hand in a transfer request on the last day? If so, the club had a matter of hours to make a decision. Suarez was bought to partner Torres. I'm not sure £40M + Sturridge would have been a better deal but I'll keep an open mind on that.

With the width we were building in the team having a big centre forward makes sense. It's too early to say whether Carroll will be a success or not but tomorrrow at Stoke will be an interesting test for him if he's picked.

Trouble is, with Kuyt and Suarez forming such a good working partnership it would be a brave man who would disrupt it.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 09, 2011, 06:31:12 PM
with Kuyt and Suarez forming such a good working partnership it would be a brave man who would disrupt it.

 exactly, ASI.

the old Liverpool mantra, was to only bring in someone better than what you already have. 

As for Torres (and Moreless), I wouldn't focus too much on a player putting in a last minute transfer request.

The club will have known about Torres interest in possibly leaving for some considerable time.  Heck, the club may even have been trying to previously offload him on the quiet (I did see reports of that).  But any top club (which we are) will be on top of developments and have contingency plans in place. 

But for me, the worrying aspect is that Carroll, all 35/36 million of him, was their contingency plan.  It's bad enough that he cost a record transfer fee for a British player and was injured, and never gonna play much part in the rest of the season.  But the most worrisome aspect, is that someone at the club thought 1) that he was technically good enough on the ground; 2) fast enough; and 3) Liverpool would develop a hoof it to the big centre-forward approach.

The little and large era, ala Toshack and Keegan, worked at a time.  But that era is long since gone. 

Certainly it is good as an option (via substitution)......but never as your core strategy.  Well at least not at a top club like Liverpool.

We paid a helluva lot of money for mere potential.  If he had come at half the price, then it wouldn't be a major issue.   My key concern is not related to fitness, it is ability.  On the ground, and also in terms of pace, he is not near good enough.  IMHO

Anyways, overall, I am very impressed with our new acquisitions. 

Enrique, Downing and Adams look superb.  I am delighted for the lads.  They look bona fida Liverpool FC players.  I know some of you had major doubts about Henderson.  But I saw enough in these opening games to be confident that he is gonna be a good signing for the club.

We did miss out on two top players, that United took off our noses this summer.  I hope that our second-choice, Coates, can be a success.  Carragher is a worry in defence. 

Overall VERY impressed.  Kenny is going for an offence based game.  The key to the game is balance.  I hope he can get that delicate balance right.  But he is on the right track.  I suspect he has realised that Fergie has it right....to win premierships, you have to throw the kitchen sink at the opposition at times.  In doing that tho, a weak chink in your defence will get exposed. 
 
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 09, 2011, 06:45:31 PM
Agreed, Dude, it's a head scratcher alright. Is he not fit or is this what Andy Carroll actually is?
As I've stated before on here I'm not a fan of the 'English target man' style of player.

The fee itself is one thing, but the biggest thing for me was the way it was decided. FSG said any replacement for Torres had to be £15M less than we received for Torres. No problem there. But having got £35M to play with we should have been keener with our valuations on the player(s) we were looking to spend the (Torres minus £15M) money on.

yes, it was a poor method of approaching the transfer, Tes.

And with the lad going to be out for several months anyway with his injury, and thus playing little part in the rest of the season, why the big rush to buy him.  Made no sense. 

My suspicion was that it was a statement of intent....a political statement, that the club felt they needed to make, to keep the fans onside (with selling Torres).  It was a poor decision, made in haste.  As you say, the valuation was way off.

As for the player, I think he is fit.  I think this is it. 

If we want the tall man option, Crouch would have been a far better temporary bet - 10 million quid, technically superb in the air and on the ground.  Would have offered a height option that would not have broken the bank.  And as an option, he could have given us 2, maybe 3, years service.


Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 09, 2011, 09:11:04 PM
I'd prefer a Drogba type player if we are to add an aerial dimension to our play. Being strong aerially being just one of his attributes, not the main one.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: the dude abides on September 09, 2011, 11:23:43 PM
agreed.

if an aerial threat is a striker's sole key attribute, then he is only really deployable as an option from the bench.

mind you, lads like drogba come with a lot of attitude.

if only we could have found a 22 year old alan shearer, with our 35 million.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Juan on September 12, 2011, 05:42:49 PM
Meireles has come out and given his side of the story as to why he left.

Firstly he said he was made available for transfer during the summer. He claims the club didnt want him. I tend to believe him because it seemed early on in the transfer window he was being linked with a move to Juventus or Inter. He also stated that the club asked him to hand in a transfer request. In the clubs defence I assume that was only after he had expressed an interest in going to Chelsea. Otherwise why would they have rejected Chelseas original bid also supposed to be for 12 million.

Secondly he claims that the club broke a promise. He had been promised a 100% pay rise if he had performed well in his first season. You cant fault the club for not following through with the promise considering it was made by the previous regime. Theres no doubt Meireles deserved to be on a higher wage but if KD and DC didnt think so thats fine with me. We've lost a good player but in my opinion he can be easily replaced by somebody younger and possibly better.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Gurdeep on September 13, 2011, 02:41:21 PM
Story in the papers today about Van Der Vaart being left out of Spurs Europa team.  Wouldn't be a bad buy in the winter transfer window.  Fantastic player imho.
Title: Re: Potential Summer Transfers in and out
Post by: Tes on September 13, 2011, 09:30:20 PM
Meireles has come out and given his side of the story as to why he left.

Firstly he said he was made available for transfer during the summer. He claims the club didnt want him. I tend to believe him because it seemed early on in the transfer window he was being linked with a move to Juventus or Inter. He also stated that the club asked him to hand in a transfer request. In the clubs defence I assume that was only after he had expressed an interest in going to Chelsea. Otherwise why would they have rejected Chelseas original bid also supposed to be for 12 million.

Secondly he claims that the club broke a promise. He had been promised a 100% pay rise if he had performed well in his first season. You cant fault the club for not following through with the promise considering it was made by the previous regime. Theres no doubt Meireles deserved to be on a higher wage but if KD and DC didnt think so thats fine with me. We've lost a good player but in my opinion he can be easily replaced by somebody younger and possibly better.

Juan, the second part is the reason for the first part. If Meireles hadn't allegedly kicked off with agent in tow as soon as the season finished and had had some patience, once the wage bill had been lowered there would probably have been a better than evens chance of him having his contract looked at again.
There had been links all Summer with different clubs but how many times did Raul come out and state he only wanted to play for us.
As Chelsea made several offers it's not beyond the realms of possibility that once Villa-Boas had been appointed at Chelsea that Meireles' agent didn't go to work enquiring about the possibility of a move.

Ultimately, his desire to be at our club was not of the requisite strength if we are to move forwards and upwards.