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Title: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 03, 2008, 03:07:51 PM
From earlier posts I revealed I had become privy to information I never previously had access to, I can't go into details of my source and you can choose wether to believe me or not but I have been told today that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is buying Liverpool FC. Its all very hush hush but leaks have already begun appearing hence Oliver Kays article amongst others. I have been assured this info is 100% correct and the wheels are in motion. One of the chief reasons for this change is the purchase of Man City. Arsenal will also be owned by the Arabs and I believe it will be Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum's cousin although I am slightly less sure on this because my only interest is Liverpool. The rivalry stems from their rivalry in horse racing and horse ownership.
This is no rumour,its no lucky guess or me taking a punt and I stand by what I am revealing. I also said on this forum that David Ngog had signed for LFC before any media source broke the story.
Its is 100% true and only hicks and gg can prevent it. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum is determined to push this through. Remember the time and date that I have posted this. It is going to happen. I am just telling you what I know and what I have been told.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 03, 2008, 03:34:33 PM
Skippy,

So you're saying that rather than DIC it will be a purchase by a private individual. Presumably Amanda Stavely is the front-lady for this and will be the chief negotiator with H&G with a seat on the board if she's successful.

It's certainly a buyer's market at the moment be it houses or footie clubs. Let's hope that Hicks in particular is not the stubborn mule he has shown himself to be to date. The Telegraph are reporting a potential profit of £75M for each of them and in the current climate that would represent a good piece of business for them.

Assuming this sale goes through in say the next 12 weeks would anyone care to comment on how that would leave the stadium build. I guess new architects would need to be hired and then once a design is in place a fresh submission for planning approval. I'm not trying to get too far ahead of myself here but just trying to get a handle on how it affects the stadium should the sale go through.

I'm old and wrinkled enough not to get excited about this because we've been here before with media reports of an imminent sale. That's no disrespect to you Skippy - just my opinion of newspapers - even quality ones - and what they'll do to fill the column inches.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2008, 03:35:24 PM
deep-throat is among us!   :o ;D

the arabs are comin, the arabs are comin....we're doomed.....don't panic, don't panic.

hope your source is right, skippy.

we need major change at anfield, if we are not to be left behind.


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2008, 03:39:14 PM
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0605/mohammed0508.jpg)


he's always reminded me of terry mcdermott

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 03, 2008, 03:44:03 PM
I don't expect anyone to believe me as we have all been there before but I believe my source 100% and I am sharing what I have been told. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has personally taken charge and will buy Liverpool. I have to be very careful what I say and my information is linked with DIC but its is the Sheikh that wants Liverpool and as I said the wheels are now firmly in motion. It will happen. I speculated earlier that I believed the delay in the stadia is due to this deal going through and the current design will not be acceptable to Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum. This is a man that wants the best and wants to be the best at everything.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2008, 03:44:42 PM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42089000/jpg/_42089854_maktoumpa203pa.jpg)

they don't make  tea towels as good as these, in north east
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 03, 2008, 03:45:38 PM
I have no doubt that you are sharing with us genuine information but my only concern is in relation to one thing you mention below;


Its is 100% true and only hicks and gg can prevent it


There goes the biggest obstacle of the previous takeover attempts. TOM HICKS. I know the circumstances are different this time around, and certainly the americans look to be in a far more vunerable position now but until I see some kind of report to suggest that Hicks has softened his stance with regards selling then Im afraid as far as I can see the route of all of our problems still exists.

I wish it was just a case like the Ma City takeover where by the Sheik makes an offer Hicks and Gilette accepts and everyone ends up happy but as far as I can see Hicks doesnt do happy endings, a cynical view I know but I have felt let down too many times to be foolish enough to think these two mugs will give up so easily now.

Thanks for the info Skip - I just hope the Sheik make Hicks an offer thats too good to refuse

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 03, 2008, 03:47:52 PM
I too am hoping my source is right and to be honest they cannot be wrong as its virtually from the horses mouth (not one of sheikh Mo's). I'm not just posting this info because I am anti yank ownership or to seek attention like other posters I am just sharing my knowledge. Only hicks and gg can prevent this happening now. The offer will be made.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2008, 03:48:02 PM
I don't expect anyone to believe me as we have all been there before but I believe my source 100% and I am sharing what I have been told. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has personally taken charge and will buy Liverpool. I have to be very careful what I say and my information is linked with DIC but its is the Sheikh that wants Liverpool and as I said the wheels are now firmly in motion. It will happen. I speculated earlier that I believed the delay in the stadia is due to this deal going through and the current design will not be acceptable to Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum. This is a man that wants the best and wants to be the best at everything.

skippy, I believe you mate.

it's pretty obvious that the yanks have nowhere left to go now, re liverpool fc.  The yanks are very close to a check-mate scenario.  They have very limited decision making possibilities.  The banks essentially own our club.

and when it all happens, it will happen very quickly.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Durgs on September 03, 2008, 03:51:54 PM
I've enjoyed reading everyones thoughts on this topic and this is what everyone wanted to hear...
i hope your right in your sources Skip!
I echo ASI thoughts on this..
All in all, this is another potential bid, nothing more. Who knows what GG and TH will do if a bid is put on the table? In the "new liverpool way" we will have on-going talks, lots of press talk, the Rafa will sulk, football will take a back seat and nothing will happen!! (a la Barry/previous bid saga!) ::)


GG and TH can still knock it back but the banks would then be pulling their hair out..
I think skip has got a real intrest in this and its not a post due to any anti yank feeling
me fingers are crossed!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 03, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
I am as excited as anyone about this news, its almost a dream come true to be able to get info like this especailly being a life long red. I don't think hicks will resist now as he is desperate and as I said I believe this is why the stadium has been delayed. The bottomline is I have been told Sheikh Mo wants Liverpool and has told his men to get Liverpool Fc. The process has begun an offer will be made. I wouldn't get fellow fans hopes up if I wasn't sure the info is correct.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Durgs on September 03, 2008, 04:03:43 PM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42089000/jpg/_42089854_maktoumpa203pa.jpg)

they don't make  tea towels as good as these, in north east

Love that guys tea towel in the background with the gigs on - its Aerodynamic!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 03, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42089000/jpg/_42089854_maktoumpa203pa.jpg)

they don't make  tea towels as good as these, in north east

 :D dude, you crack me up! Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 03, 2008, 05:06:37 PM
Its not much of an update but an update all the same

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/2672915/Dubai-investors-yet-to-make-fresh-bid---Football.html
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 03, 2008, 05:55:57 PM
Hmmm, The Times say's one thing and the Telegraph another. The Telegraph's is the later report (4pm).

Skippy, have you got an update for us please?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Gurdeep on September 03, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0605/mohammed0508.jpg)


he's always reminded me of terry mcdermott



pmsl.......quality!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 03, 2008, 08:07:26 PM
I believe you skippy, know from previous posts that you wouldn't post something you didn't believe is true. I guess the real question is to what extent are they willing to secure LFC? If they haggle over (just, lol) a couple of hundred of million we may be subjected to another protracted, fruitless takeover bid. If they go for it then they may well just get it like that. The thing that continually concerns me is that they haggled so much over the price in the 1st place, maybe that's all changed since DIC left and it became personal.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: wittsy on September 03, 2008, 08:37:50 PM
If this happens (and I think we've all be suspecting it would at some point) I hope it all goes smoothly. While we'll need better finance and power in the transfer market one thing I hope we get (fingers crossed) is stability and calm for the club so they can get on with the job at hand and win the premiership etc. We will win nothing as we are now.

Jas
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ourlad on September 03, 2008, 09:41:43 PM
Hoping and praying this is true the quicker those yanks are shown the door the better.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 04, 2008, 07:09:46 AM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42089000/jpg/_42089854_maktoumpa203pa.jpg)

they don't make  tea towels as good as these, in north east
Yep, that made me laugh!! and i am Fuckin happy!!! as soon as its done it will be party time....
The guy in the background looks like he can take off and land with that towel on his head..!! must be the pilot
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 04, 2008, 07:12:55 AM
Skippy, thanks for the Great bit of news....Do you know how far  the deal has gone and when it could be concluded??
Thanks for the post....i will send you over a tea bag and you can have a drink on me!!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 07:56:37 AM
I will update you all shortly. I found out some more info last night and was going to post it but I am just waiting to clarify it to make sure my facts are correct.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 04, 2008, 01:50:26 PM
I will update you all shortly. I found out some more info last night and was going to post it but I am just waiting to clarify it to make sure my facts are correct.

Any update skippy? Won't hold it against you if it turns out to be bogus!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 02:35:19 PM
Forget any speculation about DIC or Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum buying Liverpool. The facts as I have them are that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has already made a renewed offer for LFC and it is in the process of going through. I'm told its a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's. This won't be a rushed process but Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has told those concerned it must be completed by the end of the year but that date is worse case and it should be well before that. One of the main reasons behind his renewed determination to obtain Liverpool is this little venture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Sports_City
This is why DIC were very interested in Liverpool but as we all know a change of heart on Mr Moores part cost them the chance to own Liverpool then.
The aim is to hold a cup competition of some kind in this venue with the participation of M.City and Arsenal and of course Liverpool. As you can see the cost is estimated at $4 billion. This shows the reason why the current version of Liverpools new stadium has been delayed. Its simply not good enough for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum.
As i have said I am told he wants Liverpool and he will get Liverpool, thats why he has taken a personnal interest in acquiring Liverpool as opposed to DIC. All my sources concern Dubai. I know very little about the yanks thats why I haven't been able to say in the past what their plans were. Obviously I am going out on a limb here but I am certain the info is bang on the money and as I have said this is why leaks have begun to appear with regards a possible renewed bid. I may get some more info over the weekend but Dubai are abit slow on Fridays and Saturdays.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 02:37:52 PM
I don't belong to any other Liverpool forums but if any of you do I would be grateful if you could copy n paste this info or put a link up to this forum in any Liverpool forums you belong to. Cheers.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 04, 2008, 02:41:41 PM
Forget any speculation about DIC or Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum buying Liverpool. The facts as I have them are that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has already made a renewed offer for LFC and it is in the process of going through. I'm told its a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's. This won't be a rushed process but Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has told those concerned it must be completed by the end of the year but that date is worse case and it should be well before that. One of the main reasons behind his renewed determination to obtain Liverpool is this little venture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Sports_City
This is why DIC were very interested in Liverpool but as we all know a change of heart on Mr Moores part cost them the chance to own Liverpool then.
The aim is to hold a cup competition of some kind in this venue with the participation of M.City and Arsenal and of course Liverpool. As you can see the cost is estimated at $4 billion. This shows the reason why the current version of Liverpools new stadium has been delayed. Its simply not good enough for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum.
As i have said I am told he wants Liverpool and he will get Liverpool, thats why he has taken a personnal interest in acquiring Liverpool as opposed to DIC. All my sources concern Dubai. I know very little about the yanks thats why I haven't been able to say in the past what their plans were. Obviously I am going out on a limb here but I am certain the info is bang on the money and as I have said this is why leaks have begun to appear with regards a possible renewed bid. I may get some more info over the weekend but Dubai are abit slow on Fridays and Saturdays.

Skippy, you are a Star, thanks a whole bunch for the "Int", it nice to hear some positive news which looks to be 100% true.. I guess its going to be "Watch this space"....Thanks Mate!!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: iskoppa on September 04, 2008, 02:52:01 PM
Skippy I so want to believe your info it hurts!  :(  Keep up the good work mate!   ;D
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Durgs on September 04, 2008, 03:10:06 PM
Really want to believe all this Skip, but it seems to good to be true.. :(
REALLY hope all this comes true. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 03:36:32 PM
Just more internet fantasy from people with nothing better to do (see Shankslegend, etc)

Don''t know why people torture themselves. It's just another round of speculation on the back of the abba dabby/City take-over, and more free PR for DIC.

The Yanks are going nowhere; at least Hicks isn't. He's sitting on a goldmine, with or without the stadium, and will be able to refinance easily, especially now the stadium has been shelved. Plus there's the chance to negotiate our own TV deal in the not to distant future.

Little dose of reality for all you dreamers.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 04:04:57 PM
Ps. I'm no yank PR stooge. The minute they shelved the stadium was the time get them out by any means nessesary(sic) and I'll be doing my bit, but it's easier said that done.

They don't care about you or me, or a minority of protesting fans, and will systematically destroy us from the inside out.

We had our chance with the arabs and blew it. Sorry, kids. DIC are keen to get involved in football but have been priced out of a move by the yanks and are looking at other options.

Pps. Groundshare is defo back on the agenda.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2008, 04:15:11 PM
Just more internet fantasy from people with nothing better to do

The Yanks are going nowhere; at least Hicks isn't. He's sitting on a goldmine, with or without the stadium, and will be able to refinance easily

Little dose of reality for all you dreamers.

Hicks is sitting on nothing but his fat ass and a pile of debt.

The banks will tell him when to jump and how high.


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 04, 2008, 04:21:39 PM
Whilst I am cautiously optimistic this buyout will go through I am concerned about how the stadium project will go.

Despite all the negativity towards G&H they did at least recognise the immense value of the Kop and the redesign gave great prominence to it.

If the Sheikh does take over how will the club ensure that any stadium redesign will take the Kop into account. H&G should be given credit for that at least.

What I don't want to see is a generic 75,000 seater stadium bereft of any soul. The new Anfield must retain its soul - it's one of our strongest magnets and to lose that would be a crying shame.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 04:55:40 PM
Cheers for the abusive private mesage Cally. Nice way to treat a fellow red. I stand by what I have said in this forum. If I am wrong then I will be castigated but I believe in what I have been told. If I gave you my source you would understand why but I can't. Time will reveal wether I was right or wrong. Some people do not understand the mindset of the folks from Dubai. They will remove any object in their path sooner or later. Lets sit back and see if I was right.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2008, 05:04:13 PM
ignore him skippy.....anyone with a mere two posts to their name, and who fires off an abusive private message to someone, has got major issues.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 05:05:11 PM
You can't reveal your source???

What a shock.

Because you don't have one. At least one high up enough in the decision making process, much like the rest of the internet forum Walter Mitty's. And certainly not one who would allow you to post such sensitive info on a public internet forum.

I just don't see what the attraction is in making this stuff up, other than living a shallow, unfulfilled life.

As for the 'New Anfield' retaining its soul. Firstly; there will be no 'new stadium. Secondly; stadiums are not born with soul, they develop it over time.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 05:07:00 PM
ignore him skippy.....anyone with a mere two posts to their name, and who fires off an abusive private message to someone, has got major issues.

I hardly think sending him a message saying you have no source constitutes 'abuse'. But then most of these dreamers get a bit touchy when you bring them back to reality.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2008, 05:09:45 PM
I hardly think sending him a message saying you have no source constitutes 'abuse'. But then most of these dreamers get a bit touchy when you bring them back to reality.

why all the cynicism and rudeness?

will you apologise when the yanks sell?

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 05:18:04 PM
why all the cynicism and rudeness?

will you apologise when the yanks sell?

Because I don't like head the balls making this stuff up and giving our fans false hope.

Don't worry, they won't sell.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2008, 05:18:40 PM

As for the 'New Anfield' retaining its soul. Firstly; there will be no 'new stadium. Secondly; stadiums are not born with soul, they develop it over time.


Its the people in the stadium that are its soul.

And why has Skippys comments on the potential takeover ruffled your feathers so much?

If you had been on this forum long enough to realise that Skip isnt known to be a wind up merchant so if the guy says he is privy to some relitively private/confidental information I am willing to allow myself believe that what has been said just might be as he says. If it does turn out to be true then everyones is happy and if its not well dont shoot the messanger.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 05:21:47 PM
Its the people in the stadium that are its soul.

That's us fucked then.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 04, 2008, 05:26:29 PM
Cally,

Why come here as a newcomer and instantly start castigating people for their posts? If you don't agree with Skippy then just find a forum where you can share your opinions with like-minded people.

OTOH, you could disagree with what's been said but in a far more reasonable way. With the sort of reputation you've now got no-one is going to take you seriously anyway.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!  ::)
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 05:28:30 PM
Hold up a minute. My source has nothing what so ever to do with any decision making regarding anyone. They are nothing more than a cog in a very large wheel but the fact is if and when a deal is being made or is on going they get to find out by virtue of the fact the wheel cannot turn without them knowing. Watch and see.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 05:35:47 PM
Hold up a minute. My source has nothing what so ever to do with any decision making regarding anyone. They are nothing more than a cog in a very large wheel but the fact is if and when a deal is being made or is on going they get to find out by virtue of the fact the wheel cannot turn without them knowing. Watch and see.

Hehe, it gets worse.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 04, 2008, 05:41:00 PM
Hehe, it gets worse.


To quote Basil Fawlty... "you are a waste of space". Either post something constructive or belt up! God, anyone would think you were a Manc in disguise!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2008, 05:43:15 PM
To quote Basil Fawlty... "you are a waste of space". Either post something constructive or belt up! God, anyone would think you were a Manc in disguise!

agreed, Sticky.

I reckon Cally is no more a Liverpool fan, than John Lennon was lead guitarist in the rolling stones.

when a 'newcomer' comes into a forum swinging, you know there is one helluva an agenda at play.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: mick w on September 04, 2008, 05:49:25 PM
i dont post often but i have to pass a comment.

a wise man speaks because he has something to say.

a fool speaks bacause he has to say something.

whether you agree with a comment or not abuse is not the answer.

ps yanks out
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: mick w on September 04, 2008, 05:53:25 PM
skip hope your right mate
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 06:04:15 PM
So do I.
Lets not argue here. I have told you what I know if I am proven to be wrong I will accept the abuse but if I am proven to be right we will all be happy. What have I got to gain from winding you all up? I have always disliked the americans since they were proven to be liars but there is nothing to gain in me lying to anyone.
Thankyou for the support from the regulars on here. Hopefully it will turn out how I have said it will.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 04, 2008, 06:17:43 PM
That's us f***ed then.


You're no Liverpool supporter mate. What are the people like in Old Trafford?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 04, 2008, 06:22:27 PM
I wouldn't worry about it Skippy. If you're are wrong I'm sure it won't be because you lied. I have to approach this with cautious optimism because of what happened before but really hope this time it turns out to be true.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Gurdeep on September 04, 2008, 07:00:00 PM
Appreciate the info Skip's.  We all know that you've stuck your neck out and I personally don't believe that you would purposefully post information which would would tarnish your reputation on here.

As for Cally.....  Well, as James May would say "cock"!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: wittsy on September 04, 2008, 07:00:57 PM
He he, forum bandit at 6 O'Clock.

Ignore him, he'll soon grow up or go away.

Jas
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 04, 2008, 07:08:30 PM
Lets not argue here. I have told you what I know if I am proven to be wrong I will accept the abuse but if I am proven to be right we will all be happy. What have I got to gain from winding you all up?

Skippy mate, even if this doesn't happen I won't lose faith in you. Of course you have to protect your source. Whether you're a spy or a journo that goes without saying.  :D

All I want to know is did you use the torture routine in Casino Royale to get this info or did you use the services of a large busty blonde?  :o
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 04, 2008, 07:20:33 PM
Because I don't like head the balls making this stuff up and giving our fans false hope.


Newsflash Cally, we're all (well at least most of us are) able to make our own minds up. Information has been passed on to us, take it or leave and make your own mind up, without shouting the odds.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 04, 2008, 07:25:42 PM
Don't worry, they won't sell.

And you know this how? Maybe you wouldn't worry if they don't sell but the rest of us don't want to be scrabbling around trying to qualify for the UEFA Cup.

Tip: Before placing fingers on keys, engage brain first.

Anyway, welcome to the forum, just try keeping it civil, the abrasive approach won't work. Afterall, we're all Reds.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 08:31:06 PM
So do I.
Lets not argue here. I have told you what I know if I am proven to be wrong I will accept the abuse but if I am proven to be right we will all be happy. What have I got to gain from winding you all up?

 :D

Don't sound so confident now, eh?

Typical.

Also just noticed your boasting about your Ngog exclusive. Now I am confused. I thought your source was a big cog in the wheel in Dubai?  How would he know about any potential club signings?

Just how many sources have you got? Apart from those in your head.

You've just added your own bit of fantasy to the Telegraph article haven't you? Which originally appeared in the Scum rag. Classy.

You're a liar and a fraud and in need of some professional help.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 08:34:16 PM
I don't belong to any other Liverpool forums but if any of you do I would be grateful if you could copy n paste this info or put a link up to this forum in any Liverpool forums you belong to. Cheers.

How bizarre.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 04, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
You're a liar and a fraud and in need of some professional help.

That comment has just got you reported to the moderator. Why can't you just think before you post?  ::)
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 04, 2008, 10:34:32 PM
I dont know how to quote a specific line so I cant do it here but you have said that I said my source was a cog in the Dubai wheel, I think you will find I haven't stated that. I could tell you how I can come by info regarding Ngog and any future sale of LFC but can't its s simple as that. If you check the time I revealed the Ngog signing I think you will find it wasn't mentioned anywhere else.
Do you imagine that the Sheikh decides to buy LFC and simply gets his cheque book out and pops it in the post to hicks and gg? Wheels have to be set in motion its a complicated drawn out process, leaks happen as they have already in the press. I found the article in the Telegraph and made a couple of phone calls simple as that. I havent bigged up or added to any Telegraph article.
As I have said wait and see. Don't get bitter and cast insults save your anger sit back and see if I am right. You don't have to read my posts I believe there is an ignore feature, make use of it.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 04, 2008, 10:52:15 PM
 ;D

Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 04, 2008, 11:23:27 PM
;D

Embarrassing.

Sums up your 10 posts perfectly.

Cally, just let it go. You don't believe it, that's fine, just don't keep going on about it. Anything posted on forums is just like anything written in newspapers, you judge it on it's merits and then see if transpires. I think we all get the message, you don't believe what's posted and you're sceptical about 'our beloved custodians' shipping out before the next passing of Haley's comet. Point made.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 04, 2008, 11:25:09 PM
Just ignore him. Who? Exactly.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 05, 2008, 12:30:13 AM
;D

Embarrassing.

aye, too bloody right, you're in a minority of one on this forum.

 ;)
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 05, 2008, 12:32:23 AM
Just ignore him. Who? Exactly.

Fairs fair Martin, he's entitled to his opinion, it's just the way he's putting it across that's out of of order.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 05, 2008, 01:17:42 PM
Fairs fair Martin, he's entitled to his opinion, it's just the way he's putting it across that's out of of order.

You;re right (of course!) Tes but to me he is an antagonist. I don'[t mind people putting objective arguments forward but he is fishing big time.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 05, 2008, 02:09:54 PM
Skippy,

Cheers for the Info, can I ask you one question. The wheels are in motion, great. But is that for a bid or completion, because Im 110% convinced Hicks isnt going anywhere, is your source confident he will sell?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 05, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
I'm told its going through hence the silence and no denial from hicks and the stadium delay. The bid has been made its now being negotiated ie the finer points.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: iskoppa on September 05, 2008, 05:56:53 PM
I'm told its going through hence the silence and no denial from hicks and the stadium delay. The bid has been made its now being negotiated ie the finer points.
Fingers crossed then!  Cheers for the latest update Skippy, plus a big welcome to Kenny and auixde.   :)
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 05, 2008, 06:12:57 PM
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00798/ashley_798804c.jpg)

great to hear, skippy.

I'm gonna the beers in, tis Friday night.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 05, 2008, 07:52:23 PM
Fingers crossed then!  Cheers for the latest update Skippy, plus a big welcome to Kenny and auixde.   :)

Cheers lad, glad to be here.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 05, 2008, 09:25:36 PM
Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are planning another money raising trawl of the finance houses in London and New York despite drawing an earlier blank. The difference this time is that the Americans will be offering equity in Liverpool FC rather than just looking for loans. Again, intriguingly, London PR giants Freud Communications, hired by Hicks at the height of his civil war with Gillette last season, are representing both Americans.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1...ft-prawns-.html
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 05, 2008, 10:49:17 PM
I'm told its going through hence the silence and no denial from hicks and the stadium delay. The bid has been made its now being negotiated ie the finer points.

 :D

Pitiful isn't it.

I blame the parents.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: auxide on September 06, 2008, 12:40:37 AM
the Americans will be offering equity in Liverpool FC rather than just looking for loans.

so, does this theyre selling a percentage of the club? (god, hope not, as that would just complicate the take over :s )
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 06, 2008, 01:02:53 AM
Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are planning another money raising trawl of the finance houses in London and New York despite drawing an earlier blank. The difference this time is that the Americans will be offering equity in Liverpool FC rather than just looking for loans. Again, intriguingly, London PR giants Freud Communications, hired by Hicks at the height of his civil war with Gillette last season, are representing both Americans.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1...ft-prawns-.html

Tried searching that page but it doesnt come up. says page not found. Couldnt find it on the dailymail website either?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: auxide on September 06, 2008, 01:07:46 AM
here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1052610/Manchester-United-struggling-shift-prawns-.html

just a snippet of information, so lets hope its just the daily maily trying to fill a page up ;)
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: StMichel on September 06, 2008, 10:01:24 AM
It is almost certain that if H&G are looking to raise additional funds for the stadium it would not be through equity.  Taking an equity stake in Liverpool, unless it leads to full control, is too risky.  The advent of international money into football; the Russians and the Arabs soon to be joined by the Indians and Chinese no doubt makes the future commercial basis of any club insecure.

I would suggest that the daily mail article is largely baseless.

I would also suggest that the original Skippy post seems more like a cry for help than a genuine inside track.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 06, 2008, 02:22:04 PM
I would also suggest that the original Skippy post seems more like a cry for help than a genuine inside track.

So who are you suggesting is doing the crying for help?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 06, 2008, 04:45:04 PM
I would suggest that the daily mail article is largely baseless.

I would also suggest that the original Skippy post seems more like a cry for help than a genuine inside track.

I would suggest that you sir have posted here before, under a different handle.

 ;)

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: StMichel on September 06, 2008, 05:09:19 PM
If I was advising Hicks I believe his best strategy right now would be to NOT sell. And the recent Man City takeover reinforces this opinion.

Man City will not threaten the top 4 this season. Robinho is simply a showpony signing. It will do nothing to turn them into credible contenders.  Meanwhile international money circles English football.  With more potential suitors to meerge I am sure.  The supposed value of Liverpool has already doubled in less than 2 years since their original purchase and if the latest stories of £500m offers are to be believed; I would ride this bull market for a while longer.

Man City also now offers Hicks a further outlet.  If this season turns tricky Hicks now has an option for selling his 2 best players down the road for £100m covering his interest payments for the next 3 years. And if City want to buy Buffon for £60m they can also have Reina instead for £30m.

Dark and difficult days ahead for LFC.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: wittsy on September 06, 2008, 06:24:28 PM
OK lets say they ride out the storm, and use the big spending clubs to essentially "sell of the assets" or players in the following seasons to pay the interest etc etc.

Just how much would the club be worth in 3 seasons if they still haven't got a new stadium completed, finish in 6th or 7th (no CL) and have only a few top players left. Probably less than the £500 mill quoted here I would assume.

Something has to happen, maybe not DIC or who ever but money has to come from somewhere and progress HAS to happen or the club will go into decline.

JMHO Jas
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 07, 2008, 06:01:22 PM
Not long now, lads. Just crossing the i's and dotting the t's, etc.

Long live the large cog in the wheel.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 07, 2008, 07:38:16 PM
If I was advising Hicks I believe his best strategy right now would be to NOT sell. And the recent Man City takeover reinforces this opinion.

Man City will not threaten the top 4 this season. Robinho is simply a showpony signing. It will do nothing to turn them into credible contenders.  Meanwhile international money circles English football.  With more potential suitors to meerge I am sure.  The supposed value of Liverpool has already doubled in less than 2 years since their original purchase and if the latest stories of £500m offers are to be believed; I would ride this bull market for a while longer.

Man City also now offers Hicks a further outlet.  If this season turns tricky Hicks now has an option for selling his 2 best players down the road for £100m covering his interest payments for the next 3 years. And if City want to buy Buffon for £60m they can also have Reina instead for £30m.

Dark and difficult days ahead for LFC.


Neither would we if your "advice" was followed.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 07, 2008, 08:10:31 PM
cally/stmichel, your efforts are going down like a lead balloon in here.

if you're gonna try and fish/windup, you gotta start adding some humour and a touch of reality to your posts.



Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Stephen on September 07, 2008, 08:23:42 PM
DIC To Play Long Game For Liverpool FC
07/09/08
http://www.thedubailife.com/index.php/main/blog/2008/09/

It is no exaggeration to say we get several emails each day at thedubailife concerning the matter of DIC's long and protracted bid for Liverpool Football Club. Liverpool fans are anxious to see their club be bankrolled by Dubai's vast millions without any questions being asked so that they can once again compete with the likes of Manchester United and Real Madrid on a global scale. After the events of last week it would seem that Liverpool will struggle to compete with the likes of Manchester City let alone United or Real.

Unfortunately, there is no quick or easy answers to the whole DIC-Liverpool saga. Whilst we here at thedubailife have our ear to the ground, even we cannot see an end to this long-running affair until the relevant parties are willing to compromise.

Does DIC Need To Buy Liverpool?

Lets get something quite clear from the start, DIC DO NOT NEED TO BUY LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB! OWNING FOOTBALL CLUBS IN THE UK IS NOT A PROFITABLE BUSINESS! That stark reality needs to be realized for all concerned, Liverpool fans and Liverpool's owners. DIC were derided and eventually rejected by Liverpool's board because they had the temerity to conduct their negotiations from a business point of view. Ironically, the current owners have done nothing but conduct theirs in a similar vein. Owning football clubs is not easy. Roman Ambramovich has ploughed billions into Chelsea and for what return? Actually they've made huge losses. Likewise the Glazer's will make very little profit after all their debts have been fully paid off. THERFORE DIC DO NOT NEED TO BUY LIVERPOOL FC.

Why are DIC interested then?

Liverpool is still perhaps one of the best supported clubs in the world. They already have the history that City or Chelsea would dearly love, the potential to sell and fill stadia that only the likes of Real/United/Barcelona could probably match. That potential makes them one of the most sought after lucrative clubs still left in England. It is that potential that has still allowed DIC to keep a vested interest and not pursue other clubs such as Newcastle or Aston Villa.

Why Won't Hicks/Gillette Sell?

The bottom line is purely financial. They have not received an offer from DIC that would allow themselves to maximize their return. In the current climate they are seeking to offload the club for a value of what would appear to be more than £500m.

What Happens Next?

The $64,000 question. Nothing happens. DIC do not need to buy and Hick and Gillette are desperate to sell at an over inflated price. The two do not at this moment in time seem compatible. However, it would seem that the American duo are fast running out of options and their belief that DIC/Dubai would buy at any cost is fast disappearing. DIC meanwhile are happy to play the long game. Since they were told by the club that they were interested in inviting Gillette to make a bid they have kept m ore than a vested interest. There has been continued dialogue between DIC and the club for almost 12 months and although they have failed to reach an agreement DIC/Dubai continues to wait in the wings hoping that the global conditions will drive Gillette and Hicks to sell.

Indeed, after the fiasco of refinancing their loan and debt to buy Liverpool in January 2008, they have now failed to meet the target of starting work on a stadium, which continues to spiral. Their next objective is to refinance the loan once more for another 12 month period in January 2009. That is by no means uncertain, given that they could put the entire debt onto the club then we could have to wait a couple of more years before Hicks and Gillette finally are forced out.

By then it could be too late and DIC/Dubai may have just gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 07, 2008, 08:25:17 PM
Not long now, lads. Just crossing the i's and dotting the t's, etc.

Long live the large cog in the wheel.

Crossing i's and dotting t's? What school of English did you go to?!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 07, 2008, 08:32:28 PM
Crossing i's and dotting t's? What school of English did you go to?!

So Cally's a Guardian journalist.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 07, 2008, 09:07:44 PM
Thanks for the post Stephen.

The problem I have with DIC/Dubai is their intransigence with increasing their offer to quickly attain LFC. I think that if they wanted/needed it that badly they would just up their offer by a couple of hundred million, but they won't. Why? Dubai has got a lot of wealth seemingly, even if it is dwarfed by Abu Dhabi. Maybe our thoughts of them replicating the sort of apparent intent of the owners of Man City are misguided. One things for sure though, they have to be better than our current owners. At the very least I would expect them to be able to complete the stadium for a start.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 07, 2008, 09:51:26 PM
The problem I have with DIC/Dubai is their intransigence with increasing their offer to quickly attain LFC. I think that if they wanted/needed it that badly they would just up their offer by a couple of hundred million

if I were a businessman, from thousands of miles away, with very little affinity or knowledge of football in the UK, I'd be looking to buy cheap and awaken much potential.

in other words, clubs like newcastle, sheff wednesday, everton, bristol city, etc would be on my radar.  I'd have added Villa to the list, up until it was taken over.

for a foreign, non footballing, business group, buying Liverpool, means say 500 million quid to kick off with.....and then 400 million more for a new stadium.....another 100 to 200 put aside for a transfer budget.  In other words, you'd have nothing left out of a billion pounds.

Liverpool is an extremely expensive option.  But it brings with it one thing - a tremendous history, and was a club that once dominated england and europe - albeit, some 25 to 30 years ago. 

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 07, 2008, 11:43:11 PM
if I were a businessman, from thousands of miles away, with very little affinity or knowledge of football in the UK, I'd be looking to buy cheap and awaken much potential.

in other words, clubs like newcastle, sheff wednesday, everton, bristol city, etc would be on my radar.  I'd have added Villa to the list, up until it was taken over.

for a foreign, non footballing, business group, buying Liverpool, means say 500 million quid to kick off with.....and then 400 million more for a new stadium.....another 100 to 200 put aside for a transfer budget.  In other words, you'd have nothing left out of a billion pounds.

Liverpool is an extremely expensive option.  But it brings with it one thing - a tremendous history, and was a club that once dominated england and europe - albeit, some 25 to 30 years ago. 



To be fair to Dubai, according to Wikipedia their sovereign wealth fund has total assets of 100 billion, compared to Abu Dhabi who has a staggering 875 billion! 1 billion spent on LFC would constitute a percent of their entire wealth, which actually, is quite a lot. Maybe thats why they're haggling over the price and not paying over the top. It's also i'm sure far more complicated than that as I have no idea where the cash actually flows from - is it the Maktoums family wealth, the state's, DIC's - well that is the states I guess.

I read somewhere also that Dubai's oil reserves are only 1% in size in comparison with Abu-daddies.

@Dude - who is this Shankslegend fella? I read his posts on RAWK regarding the takeover and he was saying something similar. It also seems like he is connected somehow to the club.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 08, 2008, 09:12:01 AM


@Dude - who is this Shankslegend fella? I read his posts on RAWK regarding the takeover and he was saying something similar. It also seems like he is connected somehow to the club.
ShanksLegend does work at the club, although only a few people know who he is and what job he does, It must be an important job as he does go away with the team as well, i suspect he is an ex-player. He is always giving gossip out on who we are going for in the transfer window and this most of the time always seems to materialise. So if he is saying that we are at the table again with DIC then i do believe him as he does not lie as he would only get shot down by other posters as he does from time to time in the last case being Barry...!!! So in short he is Connected with the Club, i am definatly sure that Jim knows him too...100%
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 08, 2008, 09:26:27 AM
DIC To Play Long Game For Liverpool FC
07/09/08
http://www.thedubailife.com/index.php/main/blog/2008/09/

It is no exaggeration to say we get several emails each day at thedubailife concerning the matter of DIC's long and protracted bid for Liverpool Football Club. Liverpool fans are anxious to see their club be bankrolled by Dubai's vast millions without any questions being asked so that they can once again compete with the likes of Manchester United and Real Madrid on a global scale. After the events of last week it would seem that Liverpool will struggle to compete with the likes of Manchester City let alone United or Real.

Unfortunately, there is no quick or easy answers to the whole DIC-Liverpool saga. Whilst we here at thedubailife have our ear to the ground, even we cannot see an end to this long-running affair until the relevant parties are willing to compromise.

Does DIC Need To Buy Liverpool?

Lets get something quite clear from the start, DIC DO NOT NEED TO BUY LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB! OWNING FOOTBALL CLUBS IN THE UK IS NOT A PROFITABLE BUSINESS! That stark reality needs to be realized for all concerned, Liverpool fans and Liverpool's owners. DIC were derided and eventually rejected by Liverpool's board because they had the temerity to conduct their negotiations from a business point of view. Ironically, the current owners have done nothing but conduct theirs in a similar vein. Owning football clubs is not easy. Roman Ambramovich has ploughed billions into Chelsea and for what return? Actually they've made huge losses. Likewise the Glazer's will make very little profit after all their debts have been fully paid off. THERFORE DIC DO NOT NEED TO BUY LIVERPOOL FC.

Why are DIC interested then?

Liverpool is still perhaps one of the best supported clubs in the world. They already have the history that City or Chelsea would dearly love, the potential to sell and fill stadia that only the likes of Real/United/Barcelona could probably match. That potential makes them one of the most sought after lucrative clubs still left in England. It is that potential that has still allowed DIC to keep a vested interest and not pursue other clubs such as Newcastle or Aston Villa.

Why Won't Hicks/Gillette Sell?

The bottom line is purely financial. They have not received an offer from DIC that would allow themselves to maximize their return. In the current climate they are seeking to offload the club for a value of what would appear to be more than £500m.

What Happens Next?

The $64,000 question. Nothing happens. DIC do not need to buy and Hick and Gillette are desperate to sell at an over inflated price. The two do not at this moment in time seem compatible. However, it would seem that the American duo are fast running out of options and their belief that DIC/Dubai would buy at any cost is fast disappearing. DIC meanwhile are happy to play the long game. Since they were told by the club that they were interested in inviting Gillette to make a bid they have kept m ore than a vested interest. There has been continued dialogue between DIC and the club for almost 12 months and although they have failed to reach an agreement DIC/Dubai continues to wait in the wings hoping that the global conditions will drive Gillette and Hicks to sell.

Indeed, after the fiasco of refinancing their loan and debt to buy Liverpool in January 2008, they have now failed to meet the target of starting work on a stadium, which continues to spiral. Their next objective is to refinance the loan once more for another 12 month period in January 2009. That is by no means uncertain, given that they could put the entire debt onto the club then we could have to wait a couple of more years before Hicks and Gillette finally are forced out.

By then it could be too late and DIC/Dubai may have just gone elsewhere.
Stephen DIC will not be in it for the Financial Rewards as they wont give them that much, They are doing it for i think for promoting their Global Image, Liverpool as you said do reach far and wide and that is "Probably" the main reason behind everything, its like a rich mans toy so to speak, as what money they get in one hand they will give in the other... We are forgeting one thing..!! The Shiekh is doing this as he and his Son are big Liverpool Fans and you can often see them at games, so i think for a start if they bought it they would run the club with Passsion in the way we would expect.. One things for certain, We would get a massive injection of cash for team re-building and the Stadium WOULD get built.!!!!
DIC are not going to wait forever, the bid on the table will get reduced over time as to force the Yanks to realise that it is in their best interests to sell the club and maximise their profits, they are NOT going to get more loans and NO extentions so the options for the two ARE running out.!! The Stadium they say is delayed for another  year....Wrong, we are not going to see a new stadium in the next 4 to 5 years this is all carefully spun out of the PR machine they use
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 08, 2008, 10:09:35 AM
@Dude - who is this Shankslegend fella? I read his posts on RAWK regarding the takeover and he was saying something similar. It also seems like he is connected somehow to the club.

my memory is dire....but the name rang a bell.  I went and checked, yes like Phil says, I believe he has connections inside the club I think. 

good info there re how much bigger abu dabi are, compared to DIC.

maybe this is why the sheik himself is taking a personal interest (rather than his DIC group).


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 08, 2008, 11:50:06 AM

maybe this is why the sheik himself is taking a personal interest (rather than his DIC group).


Guillem Balague gives his two cents worth here. He also give a brief explanation as to why DIC may not actually be fronting the bid anymore.

http://www.guillembalague.com/blog_desp.php?id=69
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: skippy on September 08, 2008, 12:05:20 PM
http://www.guillembalague.com/blog_desp.php?id=69
The Liverpool takeover and the billion pound investment

 

Thanks to everyone who has been posting comments and asking questions in the blog, please keep them coming in.

Over the last week or so it seems that the majority of questions from Liverpool fans relate to news of a potential takeover at Anfield.

As one reader, KK, from Malaysia asks: "Surely the most important news that LFC fans would like to know if whether DIC is still interested and intend to buy LFC. Also we'd also like to know if USA are indeed willing to sell?"

And Lee in Liverpool makes a very valid point when he says: "Guillem have you heard anything about DIC? Now that Man City have had there influx of Arabian cash we could start to find ourselves struggling to finish top four!"

In fact,  the points that you guys have raised about Champions League qualification, the takeover at Manchester City and the position of Gillett and Hicks are all very relevant.


To begin with, we need to get away from the idea that it will be Dubai International Capital that ultimately takes control of Liverpool football club. DIC have, until now, been operating on behalf of Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al-Maktoum as the private-equity investment arm of the Dubai Government. However, DIC represents just one of a number of financial vehicles available to Sheikh Mohammed and it is highly likely that an alternative one of those will end up leading the bid to take control at Anfield.


DIC had been leading the negotiations  over a proposed takeover of Liverpool - through  intermediary Amanda Staveley, of London based PCP Capital Partners - for the last couple of years.

However, the financial situation surrounding the club has changed dramatically since DIC's initial £220 Million bid 24 months ago, and the current climate is now less favourable for such a private equity fund to become involved.

To begin with, a new bid would have to cover the £350 million debt and Gillett and Hicks will also walk away with a profit of £75 million each from the sale. Add to those figures the costs of building a new stadium under the 'current global financial climate,' as Hicks put it last week, and it becomes clear that something close to a billion pound investment will be required to fulfill the club's ambitions. For an equity fund, like DIC, that would need to see a return on it's investment within 8- 10 years, rather than generationally, that kind of massive investment may be prohibitive.

However, while the talks have been low key, 'they have been ongoing'  with Dubai - as Staveley told an Arab magazine a couple of weeks ago - and both the Dubai ruler, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, and his right-hand man, Mohammed Al Gergawi, have been personally involved in negotiations.

Nothing has been agreed yet, and Gillett and Hicks are still resisting the sale of the club to Sheikh Mohammed, leaving it until as late in the day as possible - after all, that is their game as high level debt poker players. However, the pressure is mounting on them to sell as the credit crunch continues to undermine their ambitions for the club: it was only last week that they blamed the global financial climate for the postponement of building work on the new stadium at Stanley Park. The pair are now aware that they simply do not have the resources to deliver upon their lofty ambitions for the club that they promised when they took control in 2007.

They are also likely to come under pressure to sell from the Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia, the banks with whom they secured a £350 million refinancing deal a little more than seven months ago. That deal is due for renewal this coming January and neither bank is certain to grant them the option of a six month extension: a situation that would force a sale as the banks would effectively become the club's owners and they would be looking to quickly sell the club to the highest bidder.

 It is easy to understand the banks position in all of this. After all, with the club owing annual interest payments of £30 million, Liverpool's financial security, under Gillett and Hicks, is almost entirely dependent upon future Champions League qualification.  The Abu Dhabi takeover at Manchester City, and the increased competition for places in Europe's elite club competition that it will surely bring, makes Liverpool's future dependence upon Champions League revenue look even more precarious than it already was.

The irony is, that as the Americans at Liverpool appear increasingly more helpless in the face of the massive injection of Arab wealth at Manchester City, the new owner at Eastlands, Sheikh Mansour, is married to the daughter of Sheikh Mohammed of Dubai. Those family ties, however, are purely anecdotal and the fact is that the two Arab states are in competition with each other as rivals for status and international prestige. There is no collusion, and the Premier League could provide a platform for the two Arab states to go head to head on the world stage.

Nevertheless, the Abu Dhabi takeover at City could certainly help pave the way for a similar takeover at Liverpool from Dubai. The RSB and Wachovia have not yet put pressure on the Texan pair to sell, but they are aware of the bid from Sheikh Mohammed and if they fear that the Americans are unable to fulfill their pledges under the current financial climate - and with Arab wealth in Manchester jeopardising Liverpool's place at the top table of European football -  it may only be a matter of time before the banks have no other option but to force Gillett and Hicks to relinquish control at Anfield
 
Even Guillem Balague says talks are on going. Time will tell.
I don't have anything to add at the moment but how and why some people can doubt what I have said is puzzling. There are more and more snippets of information coming out. Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum would not risk entering into talks without being very confident of a successful outcome, he is a very proud man.
So Cally and co claim that its all bull yet several respected journalists including Kay and Balague say Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum and Amanda Staveley have been and still are in talks. Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has sat back and watched the yanks struggle to find funds and gain backing and they have failed, the time is now right for him to make an offer.

Cally, how about you tell the forum what you actually put in my private messages? Don't be selective in what you reveal. And as for blaming my parents..........I wouldn't blame yours, I don't believe in animal cruelty  ;) ;) ;).
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Cally on September 08, 2008, 02:16:22 PM
ShanksLegend does work at the club, although only a few people know who he is and what job he does, It must be an important job as he does go away with the team as well, i suspect he is an ex-player. He is always giving gossip out on who we are going for in the transfer window and this most of the time always seems to materialise. So if he is saying that we are at the table again with DIC then i do believe him as he does not lie as he would only get shot down by other posters as he does from time to time in the last case being Barry...!!! So in short he is Connected with the Club, i am definatly sure that Jim knows him too...100%

 ;D

Oh dear.

The guy sells retro football shirts and never ever, ever, gets anything right concerning the club.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 08, 2008, 02:46:31 PM
;D

Oh dear.

The guy sells retro football shirts and never ever, ever, gets anything right concerning the club.
You seem to have the IQ of a  S*n reader.!! Absolutely nothing upstairs except the need to wind people up with your brainless opinions...
Stop replying to other posters replys with stupid idiotic posts and actually start adding "Intelligent" posts or leave the forum!!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kingjari on September 09, 2008, 02:46:35 PM
Cally is a wind up merchant notorious( and banned) from most LFC internet forums. Bad WUM.
 
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 09, 2008, 04:24:13 PM
Cally is a wind up merchant notorious( and banned) from most LFC internet forums. Bad WUM.
 

Can I suggest that no-one gives him the oxygen of a response. He'll soon get bored posting to thin air.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Zippy on September 09, 2008, 05:12:00 PM
The (in)famous Knowsley wind-up-merchant Cally is now banned from posting here. He's not as good at hiding his IP address as he thinks he is either!

Thanks to those who reported his latest attempts to cause trouble. Virgin are supposed to be good at dealing with abuse from their customers so he'll be reported to them if he comes back with another username to cause trouble, like he has everywhere else.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 09, 2008, 06:08:27 PM
The (in)famous Knowsley wind-up-merchant Cally is now banned from posting here. He's not as good at hiding his IP address as he thinks he is either!

Thanks to those who reported his latest attempts to cause trouble. Virgin are supposed to be good at dealing with abuse from their customers so he'll be reported to them if he comes back with another username to cause trouble, like he has everywhere else.

Who are you Zippy? I assume you have taken over Jim's role for the time being. And where is our dear old Jim? Hope he is alright.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kingjari on September 09, 2008, 06:53:53 PM
The (in)famous Knowsley wind-up-merchant Cally is now banned from posting here. He's not as good at hiding his IP address as he thinks he is either!

Thanks to those who reported his latest attempts to cause trouble. Virgin are supposed to be good at dealing with abuse from their customers so he'll be reported to them if he comes back with another username to cause trouble, like he has everywhere else.

well in mate.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 09, 2008, 09:25:34 PM
well in zippy.
 
PS - wonder if Jim has been the victim of a bloodless coup.
 
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 09, 2008, 10:00:51 PM
Who are you Zippy?

*Stiffles the urge to do a joke about the rest of the cast of Rainbow*
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 10, 2008, 08:07:06 AM
Thanks Zippie, for ridding us of that mongchild!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 10, 2008, 08:11:18 AM
Anyway getting back tot the topic, has there been anymore news!! Does Skippy know anything as it has all gone quiet!! Usually Hicks comes out with a denial and so far he hasn´t....   Strange, its almost to good to be true...
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Scottie on September 10, 2008, 09:35:59 AM
As a Newbie with no contacts I tend to just lurk and see what information fellow fans are putting on the internet.

Must say I am delighted that the Mods have put an end to Cally, good constructive opinions are always enjoyable to read, but simple abuse and derision just makes the thread longer and tiresome to read.

My personal opinion on the Sheikh and the Yanks is that clearly conversations are (or have recently) taking place, whether they come to anything will really depend on how much the credit crunch really has affected Hicks (and Gillett). I don't read anything into Hicks being quiet as he has probably learnt that public speaking has only served to damage (if poss) his reputation with the fans further.

Lets hope this will get sorted soon - certainly needs to be done before the end of the Year!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 10, 2008, 08:27:03 PM
Gillett is coming on sat.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: iskoppa on September 10, 2008, 08:34:24 PM
Gillett is coming on sat.
Kenny how did you find this out? 
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kingjari on September 10, 2008, 11:02:31 PM
Gillett and one of Hicks sons are coming.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=228385.0
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 11, 2008, 02:10:42 AM
I was gonna write a rude comment there about my own excitement levels.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 11, 2008, 09:24:06 AM
The Daily Mirror today claim the Sheik will use his own funds to buyout the yanks, nothing new in this story but for the moment Im just glad it keeps re-surfacing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/09/11/liverpool-takeover-sheikh-mohammed-ditches-dic-to-make-solo-bid-for-club-115875-20732281/
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Stephen on September 11, 2008, 09:32:59 AM
Dubai not in such a good financial situation as we thought. They are also feeling the effects of the property slow down.

http://www.independent.ie/business/world/dubai-feels-the-pressure-as-property-fears-mount-1473456.html

Interesting to note that only 3% of their GDP is from Oil.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 11, 2008, 03:53:39 PM
it was passed on today from a Reliable Poster on a forum with known contacts inside the club that no bid will appear yet becuase the Shiekh wants to see where we are in the PL & CL in Dec\Jan time as to what he offers for the club, but the sourse said that Hicks is willing to sell..!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 11, 2008, 04:26:41 PM
If I was planning on buying out H&G I would make them sweat. Once Jan comes and the banks won't extend their loan they are forced into making a decision. Put their own money in or sell. I think we all know they won't use their own money. That leaves them with nowhere to turn. It's highly doubtful offers to buy a share of the club will come to anything.

That's when you hit them with your one and final offer and they are forced to take it.

I think it's very good news that the Sheikh is considering buying the club outright rather than DIC. Multiple owners doesn't work.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 11, 2008, 05:39:06 PM
it was passed on today from a Reliable Poster on a forum with known contacts inside the club that no bid will appear yet becuase the Shiekh wants to see where we are in the PL & CL in Dec\Jan time as to what he offers for the club, but the sourse said that Hicks is willing to sell..!!

Where was this info? RAWK?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: iskoppa on September 11, 2008, 06:16:12 PM
it was passed on today from a Reliable Poster on a forum with known contacts inside the club that no bid will appear yet because the Shiekh wants to see where we are in the PL & CL in Dec\Jan time as to what he offers for the club, but the sourse said that Hicks is willing to sell..!!
We all hope so, H&g selling up soonish that is!  Phil what site did you see this info on?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 11, 2008, 06:43:06 PM
... but the sourse said that Hicks is willing to sell..!!

I'm sure he is but probably for an outrageous price. What I would rather hear is "Hicks NEEDS to sell". There is a big difference.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 11, 2008, 07:04:15 PM
it was passed on today from a Reliable Poster on a forum with known contacts inside the club that no bid will appear yet becuase the Shiekh wants to see where we are in the PL & CL in Dec\Jan time as to what he offers for the club, but the sourse said that Hicks is willing to sell..!!

Phil I know who you mean, his last few posts are pretty negative but if you read what he has posted they dont say much really, we knew it was a waiting game.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 11, 2008, 08:23:11 PM
We all hope so, H&g selling up soonish that is!  Phil what site did you see this info on?

iskoppa, it is on redandwhitekop/forum and the poster is one shankslegend. Find a post by him, click on his name, and view his posts for the update.


We've been here all before haven't we!?! Looks like they are going to sell and then they don't becuase they want a bit more money Dubai isn't going to pay. I would say January now is looking like the time where it is make or break. If it doesn't happen then I will be very worried.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 11, 2008, 08:30:32 PM
I bet once he takes over, the sheik will shake it up
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: iskoppa on September 11, 2008, 08:40:28 PM
Thanks for the info Martin, I've read his comments before!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: auxide on September 12, 2008, 02:02:34 AM
Dubai not in such a good financial situation as we thought. They are also feeling the effects of the property slow down.

if these rumors are true (about Sheikh Mo' going solo), that (hopefully) shouldnt matter *too much*..his personal wealth is estimated at $18Bn
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 12, 2008, 07:09:43 AM
Where was this info? RAWK?
Hi Martin, yeah it was RAWK and it was ShanksLegend.!! This is going to carry on for a while yet i think... The news is from SL that H&G want to sell..so that has to be good news in itself, we just need to see what the Shiekh does with his offer...
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 12, 2008, 06:43:43 PM
Is not doubting Skippy but if the Yanks are selling up why are they trying to refinance the loan still with RBS? Last I looked it a 5 year term for the new loan.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 12, 2008, 11:02:11 PM
hope it's true - but we have heard all this stuff before about the yanks being on the threshold of selling up.

I suspect that Hicks is like a cancerous tumour - extracting him from the body Liverpool, will not be at all easy.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 13, 2008, 06:42:14 PM
The failure to get stadium funding or rather the terms being asked of them (£200M in guarantees) hopefully has changed his mind. The refinancing may also have been discussed at the same time and they may have been told that increased guarantees will also be needed, plus their assets may have taken a tumble in their value since the last refinance and as Hicks' purchases/assets are always heavily leveraged it could be a problem providing the guarantees. 
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 13, 2008, 07:49:27 PM
According to someone on RAWK who allegedly has contacts with some guy from RBS, a new loan app has been submitted by the duo which is a plan over 5 years.

I don't think this is particularly surprising really as they would be re-submitting a loan application wouldn't they? I think this will go to the wire before anything happens, where that wire is, is the real question. January probably but it wouldn't surprise me if it labors on longer than that.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: RFStyles1977 on September 14, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
I read somewhere,i think it was Mirror.co.uk yesterday that DIC have sounded out Liverpool and West Ham for takeover bids this month.
Do we feel a bit uneasy that they are looking at West Ham, or is it probable that Sheik Mo wants us on his own?
Could DIC and Sheik Mo both own a club even though its pretty much the same person owning two clubs in the same division?
Or is it another bluff by the Arabs at making G&H think they are going elsewhere as they are the only real interested party in wanting Liverpool?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: wittsy on September 14, 2008, 03:50:44 PM
I think the re applying for loans would be part of their strategy what ever, the clubs not bought yet so they still have to carry on, plus they will be still checking their options even if the Arabs have made an attractive offer. Either way they will want all the bases covered and know exactly whats what, until someone writes on the dotted line and takes over they will be prepared for ALL outcomes.

As for an interest in West Ham, well the Arabs will be doing the same. If they don't get Liverpool they will look at other clubs (even if so they can compete with there other Arab rivals)

I dare say they are sounding each other out alittle too in all this!!

Jas
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 15, 2008, 10:48:12 AM
Throughout this Hicks Gilette farce I have always feared the Sheik would lose patience and interest with these two squabbling american idiots and if todays daily star is to be belived ;

"The mega-rich Dubai investment group was closing in on the purchase of Newcastle United on Sunday night"

Not sure if it is the DIC group but it would surely be a devastating blow for the future of Liverpool if the Sheik were to buy into Newcastle instead. Not only would be stuck with hicks and Gilette but we would face competing against another mega rich club in the PL.

Why do Hicks and Gilette have to continue putting us through this misery
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ollythered on September 15, 2008, 01:45:49 PM

Hi everyone, am a new member, and have been watching this thread develop with some interest.  I agree with everyone who has said that we need new owners to give LFC the best of chance of success in years to come.

However, I came across this on the Daily Telegraph - (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/newcastle/2962163/DIC-deny-Newcastle-interest-in-buying-Newcastle---Football.html)

Here's an extract:

DIC deny Newcastle and Liverpool interest
Dubai International Capital, the investment agency owned by the ruler of Dubai, has denied involvement in possible bids for both Newcastle and Liverpool.
 
...

"DIC can confirm that it is not involved in any negotiations to buy LFC and is not planning a fresh bid for LFC or any other football club," the United Arab Emirates-based company said in an e-mailed statement.


I desperately want to believe Skippy, and don't doubt that what he says he is hearing from his sources, but surely the above constitutes a denial?

Grateful for any update.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: I am The Egg Man on September 15, 2008, 02:10:17 PM
I have just heard on the local news that DIC are not interested in purchasing LFC period, and that will in turn p**s on the bonfire of all the people at the club who where hoping that they would be buying.  The news article also said that it was a statement to dispell any of the rumours that have been circulating saying that DIC are looking to buy LFC or any other club for that matter.  So from what i head on radion city we are stuck with tweedle dumb and tweedle dee!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 15, 2008, 02:51:17 PM
all smoke and mirrors.........rumor and talk of rumor.

DIC's statement, if that is what it is, means nothing...........since we already know that it would be the sheik who'd be the one doing the buying.

nothing has changed from what I see......two yanks, up to their eyeballs in debt, no bank that will give them the time of day, and both of them despised by the fans. 

the two yanks will fight to the very last drop of OUR BLOOD, in order to get the very last dollar they can out of the club. 

Thus, the protests have to continue.  Indeed I have always felt that the fans across the world should start a financial pot, that would be used to employ private detectives, whose job would be to take a closer look at the lives and business ventures of these two pricks. 

PS - welcome to the forum, olly! 
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 15, 2008, 03:33:46 PM
Why should we be getting the jitters because DIC say they're not buying? Wasn't that the point of this thread? That Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying the club with his own money and therefore DIC will not be a factor? I'd be amazed if the Sheikh just walked away from a club his son is a big fan of. And with the ongoing financial crisis things are just playing into the Sheikh's hands.

Skippy clearly has inside knowledge so things are possibly going on behind the scenes. Gillett's attendance was interesting. All that way for one game. Or did he have another reason for the trip? Maybe Skippy can find out if Amanda Staveley was at Anfield on Saturday.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 15, 2008, 03:58:35 PM
For those with a more in-depth financial knowlege of what financially makes the world tick - What effect is the latest Lehman Bros financial crisis going to have on Hicks and Gilettes ability to re-finance their own loan?

Surely any further deterioration of the financial markets will make it very difficult for H&G to carry on with their plans of re-financing? At what point will they be forced to sell or is it actually possible the stubborn b*astards can ride all of this out?

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 15, 2008, 04:10:42 PM
Surely any further deterioration of the financial markets will make it very difficult for H&G to carry on with their plans of re-financing? At what point will they be forced to sell or is it actually possible the stubborn b*astards can ride all of this out?


Juan,

I'm no financial expert but I'd say that come January H&G have to find the money for the loan to be extended. Under normal circumstances the bank may grant an extension but I just can't see that happening the way things are right now. There are huge financial institutions going to the wall in the States and that will have an effect over here.

I think the Sheikh is just biding his time until H&G have nowhere to go and then he'll move in for the kill.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: I am The Egg Man on September 15, 2008, 05:17:32 PM
Juan,

I'm no financial expert but I'd say that come January H&G have to find the money for the loan to be extended. Under normal circumstances the bank may grant an extension but I just can't see that happening the way things are right now. There are huge financial institutions going to the wall in the States and that will have an effect over here.

I think the Sheikh is just biding his time until H&G have nowhere to go and then he'll move in for the kill.

What the problem has been in the markets is that inter bank lending which usually drives the markets has dried up as the banks are to scared to lend to each other becuase they are worried of getting money tied up in sub prime loans.  With the investment bank in NY going into liquidation that will only worsen the situation.  LFC was seen as a sub prime loan by the RBS which is why they wanted £200 million in assurity's of the two.  The current financial situation is seen as the worse period since the wall street crash in the 20's so I would say that the chances of them being able to continue with their plans have become more unlikely.  I think what you also have to take as good news for LFC is the fact that the Sheikh has not quoshed any rumors about him wanting in at Anfield like DIC had.  I think we will know by xmas.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ollythered on September 15, 2008, 09:27:53 PM
Why should we be getting the jitters because DIC say they're not buying? Wasn't that the point of this thread? That Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying the club with his own money and therefore DIC will not be a factor? I'd be amazed if the Sheikh just walked away from a club his son is a big fan of. And with the ongoing financial crisis things are just playing into the Sheikh's hands.

Skippy clearly has inside knowledge so things are possibly going on behind the scenes. Gillett's attendance was interesting. All that way for one game. Or did he have another reason for the trip? Maybe Skippy can find out if Amanda Staveley was at Anfield on Saturday.


Good point, well made!

Glad the Sheikh doesn't seem to be going for Newcastle instead!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 15, 2008, 09:44:49 PM
I think the thing we need to remember is that Dubai WILL definitely want to own a premier league club, that much is pretty much certain since the advent of abu dhabi buying their own PL club. We also need to consider the timing of this statement - clearly it has materialised because it has been widely reported that Newcastle were sounding out DIC to takeover the club. Although the stement does say that no other consortium or vehicle will be making a bid, that of course doesn't refer to the Sheikh, who is neither a consortium or a vehicle. If anything, and by adding "DIC would like to wish LFC and its fans a successful future", it serves to intensify the passion of Liverpool fans who either believe that that is now it, or who feel that DIC might eventually be followed by the Sheikh in a similar statement about not going for Liverpool.

Really all today's statement is, is a public rebuff of Newcastle's interest in having DIC as owners.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 16, 2008, 01:54:34 AM
Juan,

I'm no financial expert but I'd say that come January H&G have to find the money for the loan to be extended. Under normal circumstances the bank may grant an extension but I just can't see that happening the way things are right now. There are huge financial institutions going to the wall in the States and that will have an effect over here.



Exactly. I think it's interesting that Laurel and Hardy were asked for £200M in personal guarantees when trying to raise the stadium finance. With the way things are playing out, especially in the States, I see no advantage in RBS and Wachovia extending the loan. RBS may be especially keen in getting such a large loan off their books considering their situation is none too rosy atm. Also both Laurel and Hardy's assets in the States will be depreciating in value and are likely to keep doing so beyond June.

Let's hope January 09 heralds not just a new year but a new owner too.


















Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on September 16, 2008, 06:47:52 AM
Exactly. I think it's interesting that Laurel and Hardy were asked for £200M in personal guarantees when trying to raise the stadium finance. With the way things are playing out, especially in the States, I see no advantage in RBS and Wachovia extending the loan. RBS may be especially keen in getting such a large loan off their books considering their situation is none too rosy atm. Also both Laurel and Hardy's assets in the States will be depreciating in value and are likely to keep doing so beyond June.

Let's hope January 09 heralds not just a new year but a new owner too.



















I think that New Owners would be a great X-mas & New Years Present for everyone involved from players fans....That would be the time we would move forward and at last have a new stadium   
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 16, 2008, 01:25:24 PM
Very interesting article by Tony Barrett suggesting they are ready to sell and even looked at Abu Daddy...

ANFIELD STILL A TARGET FOR DUBAI
Sep 16 2008 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo

LIVERPOOL could still end up in the hands of Dubai – despite Dubai International Capital's insistence that it is no longer pursuing a deal to buy the club.

DIC – the investment arm of the Dubai government – put out an official statement yesterday denying it is ready to launch a fresh bid for the Reds or a new one for Newcastle United.

But it has been several months since DIC were leading the Dubai bid for Liverpool, with Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum having made acquiring the Anfield club a personal rather than a government venture.

DIC are out of the picture because – as Dubai’s investment arm – they must always make a return on any purchases. Liverpool’s troubled financial situation means that is now a pledge DIC can no longer realistically make.

An offer from Dubai remains on the table, but owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are currently refusing to do a deal.

The Americans claim publicly that they are not interested in selling, but sources close to the situation insist they will cash in – but only if they walk away with around £100m in profit each.

That is a price which Dubai are not prepared to pay.

Dubai's determination to buy the club has not diminished but unless the expectations of Hicks and Gillett are reduced they are prepared to walk away.

The ECHO understands that Hicks made an approach to Abu Dhabi prior to the cash rich Middle Eastern city buying Manchester City, but that was rebuffed. It is not clear whether Hicks was trying to sell the whole club to the Emirate or was offering a minority share but he did make an unsuccessful attempt to secure investment from them.

The Texan has also made at least one more approach to another potential investor, but that has also so far come to nothing.

Hicks has good reason to seek investment, with just four months to go before the £350m loan secured against the club is due to be refinanced and borrowing has become even more fraught with difficulty.

Financial experts believe the bombshell that hit the US stock markets and banking industry yesterday will make the effects of the current credit crunch even greater, and longer lasting, with opportunities to borrow being further reduced.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that shares in American investment bank Wachovia were among the hardest hit in yesterday's stock market nosedive.

Shares in Wachovia - the fourth largest US bank - fell by 22% in the day as investors’ anxiety about the American financial sector and banks in particular hit the stock market.

Wachovia were involved in the last refinancing deal secured by Hicks and Gillett, along with the Royal Bank of Scotland, who loaned the Americans the bulk of the cash.

Should Wachovia Bank require new capital it is a possibility that they could call in some of their existing major loans.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 16, 2008, 01:27:34 PM
Article from Tony Barrett in the Echo : He reckons Dubai are still interested but also that they will walk away if Hicks and Gilette continue to look for £100 million profit each. What a bunch of money sucking b*stards.

Interesting to see that Hicks also appraoched Abu Dhabi before they took over City, I assume with the intention to sell a minority shareholding.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/09/16/liverpool-still-a-target-for-dubai-takeover-100252-21827006/

Jim now that your are back with us I would be very interested to hear your take on everything that has gone on at the club over the last few months and whether your opinion on Hicks, Gilette ,Dubai has changed and generally what you think is the best way forward for the club.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 16, 2008, 01:28:23 PM
You beat me too it Martin
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 16, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
You beat me too it Martin

Hahaha. Hate it when that happens!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 16, 2008, 01:36:46 PM
Very interesting article by Tony Barrett suggesting they are ready to sell and even looked at Abu Daddy...

ANFIELD STILL A TARGET FOR DUBAI
Sep 16 2008 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo

LIVERPOOL could still end up in the hands of Dubai – despite Dubai International Capital's insistence that it is no longer pursuing a deal to buy the club.

DIC – the investment arm of the Dubai government – put out an official statement yesterday denying it is ready to launch a fresh bid for the Reds or a new one for Newcastle United.

But it has been several months since DIC were leading the Dubai bid for Liverpool, with Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum having made acquiring the Anfield club a personal rather than a government venture.

DIC are out of the picture because – as Dubai’s investment arm – they must always make a return on any purchases. Liverpool’s troubled financial situation means that is now a pledge DIC can no longer realistically make.

An offer from Dubai remains on the table, but owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are currently refusing to do a deal.

The Americans claim publicly that they are not interested in selling, but sources close to the situation insist they will cash in – but only if they walk away with around £100m in profit each.

That is a price which Dubai are not prepared to pay.

Dubai's determination to buy the club has not diminished but unless the expectations of Hicks and Gillett are reduced they are prepared to walk away.

The ECHO understands that Hicks made an approach to Abu Dhabi prior to the cash rich Middle Eastern city buying Manchester City, but that was rebuffed. It is not clear whether Hicks was trying to sell the whole club to the Emirate or was offering a minority share but he did make an unsuccessful attempt to secure investment from them.

The Texan has also made at least one more approach to another potential investor, but that has also so far come to nothing.

Hicks has good reason to seek investment, with just four months to go before the £350m loan secured against the club is due to be refinanced and borrowing has become even more fraught with difficulty.

Financial experts believe the bombshell that hit the US stock markets and banking industry yesterday will make the effects of the current credit crunch even greater, and longer lasting, with opportunities to borrow being further reduced.

The situation is further complicated by the fact that shares in American investment bank Wachovia were among the hardest hit in yesterday's stock market nosedive.

Shares in Wachovia - the fourth largest US bank - fell by 22% in the day as investors’ anxiety about the American financial sector and banks in particular hit the stock market.

Wachovia were involved in the last refinancing deal secured by Hicks and Gillett, along with the Royal Bank of Scotland, who loaned the Americans the bulk of the cash.

Should Wachovia Bank require new capital it is a possibility that they could call in some of their existing major loans.



I cant get over Hicks, he really is not prepared to let the club go without doing everything in his power to bring another investor on board. I would say fair play if I genuinely belived his intentions were based on the love for the club but we know thats not the case so its even more infuriating that all of his efforts are to get as much out of the club as he can.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Stephen on September 16, 2008, 02:23:03 PM
How greedy are these men? They will only walk away with a £100m profit. Is £50m or £75m not sufficient? What world do these men live on? They must really love sport and love Liverpool FC to be able to hold the club to ransom like this >:(

They are scumbags. At least Mike Ashley and Shinawatra are prepared to walk away for the good of their respective clubs. Trust us to have owners who are less honourable that someone accused of Human Rights abuses!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: iskoppa on September 16, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
How greedy are these men? They will only walk away with a £100m profit. Is £50m or £75m not sufficient? What world do these men live on? They must really love sport and love Liverpool FC to be able to hold the club to ransom like this >:(

They are scumbags. At least Mike Ashley and Shinawatra are prepared to walk away for the good of their respective clubs. Trust us to have owners who are less honourable that someone accused of Human Rights abuses!!

H&G are the lowest of the low in my book and have been for most of there time at Anfield!  Nothing this pair does surprises me anymore, lets just hope come January 9 the banks them self's turn on them and force there hand so they have to sell!!!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on September 16, 2008, 03:43:46 PM
they are beyond contempt.

they have no love for football, fans, great history, pride, nor great institutions.

they only love money.

and to maximise it, they will spin all manner of yarns.

I hope to goodness that they don't succeed in bringing in some minority investor.  I want the yanks out of the club 100 percent.  Let the protests continue, and grow, until this shower of shine-a-light are gone.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 16, 2008, 04:02:52 PM
Has Texas Dawg appeared since the stadium plans went belly up?

It would have been interesting to hear his take on all of this.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 16, 2008, 04:39:26 PM
One word - Corinthians. If Moores or Parry had simply done a Google they would have seen our future portrayed in Hicks' past. I guess they had the same problem with the on/off button on their PCs as they did with their mobiles when DIC were trying to contact them.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 16, 2008, 04:58:50 PM
And Gillett's no better. Moores and Parry obviously have never heard of Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/business/global/2008/0519/060.html (http://www.forbes.com/business/global/2008/0519/060.html)

12th paragraph:

Gillett refinanced the Montreal Canadiens in 2006 and sucked out $70 million to pay himself a dividend, mortgaging the Bell Centre in the process. And Hicks and Gillett used their future stadium to refinance Liverpool to the tune of $700 million last year.


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 23, 2008, 03:22:48 PM
Latest from SL

Little bit of news i have just become privy too.

Before the weekend GG informed Moores of intentions of selling the club having been asked by DM what the future was in terms of direction/ownership/stadium, he has now confirmed that he is now looking to end his association with the club and will work hard to find the best long term solution that will make the club what it should be.  He is looking at making his move now and has informed Hicks about this also.

I did ask if he thought GG would accept a cut price figure which he said he believes he would as he realises he can't provide the clout and ENERGY yes ENERGY to push the club that extra bit further.

I dont know what will happen now whether Hicks has to try and buy Gillet out or whether Hicks will also throw his hand in.  Its all very quiet from Hicks camp.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 23, 2008, 03:24:58 PM
Just reading the statement from Man Citys owners makes our own situation all the more depressing. I will have to admit feeling a small tinge of jealousy. Not necessarily because of the bottomless pit of cash but more to the fact that their owners seem to be the real deal. It looks as if they will be able deliever on their promises without compromising the club , the fans or the local communtiy.

Just makes you wonder even more how a club as Great as Liverpool ended up in the hands of two complete goons.

"We are going to build the finest team for the finest stadium in the Premier League and that is Liverpool," Tom Hicks, Feb 6, 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7628080.stm
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 23, 2008, 03:33:36 PM

Just makes you wonder even more how a club as Great as Liverpool ended up in the hands of two complete goons.


The only two people who truly know why (or at least should) are Freddie Boswell and his mate with the awful ties and the gleaming (nearly) new Ferrari.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 23, 2008, 03:59:24 PM
Latest from SL

Little bit of news i have just become privy too.

Before the weekend GG informed Moores of intentions of selling the club having been asked by DM what the future was in terms of direction/ownership/stadium, he has now confirmed that he is now looking to end his association with the club and will work hard to find the best long term solution that will make the club what it should be.  He is looking at making his move now and has informed Hicks about this also.

I did ask if he thought GG would accept a cut price figure which he said he believes he would as he realises he can't provide the clout and ENERGY yes ENERGY to push the club that extra bit further.

I dont know what will happen now whether Hicks has to try and buy Gillet out or whether Hicks will also throw his hand in.  Its all very quiet from Hicks camp.

Its 11 months since a story first re-appeared in the Guardian with the news that DIC  or the Sheik was still interested in buying the club. 11 long months have passed there is still no change in ownership. Instead as fans we have seen what seems like a monthly sometimes weekly installment of humiliating events. The attempt to sack rafa, plans to hire klinsmann, hicks Vs gilette rounds 1-12, the fireside chat, the radio interview, the sandon, attempts to sack parry, barrys transfer, hicks jnrs minder,  the re-development of stanley park, the new stadium! The embarrassments are just never ending.

But through all of that we still have two owners, aparently close to financial meltdown yet still here.

So although I say thanks for the latest from SL Kenny, I am starting to think that the longer these two bury their heads in the sand and survive the more likely it will be that the fans / owners power struggle could have years left to go yet. And credit crunch or no credit crunch I havent seen any concrete evidence from anybody to dispel my fears of that becoming a reality


The only two people who truly know why (or at least should) are Freddie Boswell and his mate with the awful ties and the gleaming (nearly) new Ferrari.

Tes do you really think that Moores sold up just for the extra 8 million or whatever the figure is meant to be? I know some other reasons have been thrown about but it hard to really see it being for any other reason. Criminal!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 23, 2008, 06:09:05 PM
Tes do you really think that Moores sold up just for the extra 8 million or whatever the figure is meant to be? I know some other reasons have been thrown about but it hard to really see it being for any other reason. Criminal!

TBH, I don't. I don't go with it simply being a fact that he made £8M extra. He was getting approx £80M as the DIC bid stood. £8M more when you are getting £80M, and let's not forget he'd also loaned the club £9M for Kuyt, so he's hardly short, would not make any noticeable difference to his lifestyle and as the Liverpool chairman you could hardly say he ran the club in a ruthless, business or money-orientated way, so he has no history of pure greed.
I think it was down to a mixture of being too loyal and trusting where Parry (his friend *important point* who probably stood to lose his dream job under DIC) was concerned. Think of the handling of all the managers' tenures under his reign. Souness, kept too long, probably due to what he had been through with his heart bypass. (Too loyal). Evans, couldn't bear to let him go so we had the joint managers debacle. Houllier, long time friend, replay of the Souness situation.  Also look at all the crap that has gone on and the only time Moores has spoken out and the only person on who's behalf he has spoken out is Parry.
Naivety - definately. No personal checks on Laurel and Hardy, he believed everything his nice Uncle George told him about his (George's) friend Tom. Then again, he's a millionaire, born into a millionaire family, never had to do things for himself, not a self-made man, used to having things done for him.
Poor business sense - he has tried in the past to put together a couple of businesses, I think I remember reading, which flopped spectacularly. Also the lack of communication with DIC executives suggests an inability to have dealt with the awkward subject of a last minute rival bid, plus, just how informed was Parry keeping him? We all know Parry's mobile has the worst reception of any mobile ever made and the on/off button appears to be very problematical aswell. Rick just buy a new one.   
Hardly the brightest - nice but dim sort of personality. It seems he didn't even strike him as a good idea to talk to Doug Ellis about Gillett, afterall Gillett had been told 'to do one' when he tried to buy Villa. Also I think he paniced. As DIC pulled out he was left with the Americans or no-one and the EU and NWDA money was at risk. Then there's the life presidency or whatever it is. Don't underestimate how much that would have meant to him. To be involved still in the club that almost against his will he'd had to sell, would have had huge appeal.

His sale of the club was a perfect summation of his whole tenure.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 23, 2008, 06:38:47 PM

Tes do you really think that Moores sold up just for the extra 8 million or whatever the figure is meant to be? I know some other reasons have been thrown about but it hard to really see it being for any other reason. Criminal!

I know that the £8 million was significant.

I think you also need to open your mind to the possibility (or fact) that DIC's deal wasn't as good as we all imagine it was.

In fact if the Sheikh takes over, maybe, it will be the best possible outcome of all. Inadvertently, the Americans might of done us a favour.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 23, 2008, 07:01:44 PM
I know that the £8 million was significant.

I think you also need to open your mind to the possibility (or fact) that DIC's deal wasn't as good as we all imagine it was.

In fact if the Sheikh takes over, maybe, it will be the best possible outcome of all. Inadvertently, the Americans might of done us a favour.

Are you saying £8M was more than a factor and an obvious advantage, rather it was THE factor?

DIC, as an investment company would want a return but they would have to initially invest to get us to a level to start seeing increased returns over what we presently throw off.

Martin, is your post simply your opinion or have you been told things by people more informed than most of us?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 23, 2008, 09:31:20 PM
Are you saying £8M was more than a factor and an obvious advantage, rather it was THE factor?

DIC, as an investment company would want a return but they would have to initially invest to get us to a level to start seeing increased returns over what we presently throw off.

Martin, is your post simply your opinion or have you been told things by people more informed than most of us?

Don't want to land anyone in trouble but I was told something on Saturday by someone privvy to a part of the original deal - remember that spare ticket I advertised?

I would say a decisive factor is as much detail as I was told in guarded responses.

All I would say to anyone that wants to listen is that Jim for a long time was against DIC and what I heard backed that without any absolute specifics being mentioned. They are an investment company and that should be remembered. As I say. maybe it'll work out for the best. I am not saying DIC would've been worse by the way, probably better as the stadium may well of got built, but not the knights in shining armour we imagined.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 24, 2008, 12:02:16 AM
I think the situations both with Moores previously and now with Laurel and Hardy, and facturing in United's recent success and finances, Chelsea's situation and now Man City's new found wealth, makes us desperate for a way of competing financially. I just hope it doesn't become a vulnerability and allows head's to be turned too easily and hopes turned in assumptions.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on September 28, 2008, 10:58:59 AM
Guess the original story is bull shed.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 28, 2008, 01:31:03 PM
This is crazy , this bullsh*t looks like dragging out yet again.

By Chris Bascombe, the News of the World, 27/09/2008

Liverpool's owners have been given a six-month amnesty before repaying their massive £350million debts.

Tom Hicks and George Gillett faced the possibility of their refinancing agreement with the Royal Bank of Scotland ending in January.



But after triggering the option of delaying repayments, the Americans now have until July to either cement their position or maximise the value of the club.

Although this gives the pair more leeway as they deal with the repercussions of the worldwide economic squeeze, it’s still believed the clock is ticking on their Liverpool reign.

Potential buyers from Dubai hope the extension will simply delay rather than block a fresh New Year bid.

Optimistic noises continue regarding the American’s intentions to sell, even though talks have also been ongoing with RBS to raise a further £100m to begin work on the delayed Stanley Park stadium.

Gillett is understood to be more receptive to the idea of selling Liverpool but has given no indication he is actively pursuing a deal.

Hicks has never publicly wavered from his hard line in refusing to sanction takeover talks.

There is a possibility the crisis in the American economy could help Hicks if some of his debts are written off as part of the US government’s crisis measures.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kopite999 on September 28, 2008, 01:52:58 PM
Does anyone on here not get bored with saying the same things over and over again? Personally this story is very dated. If the Sheikh and his DIC crew were really as keen as everyone seems to think on buying us then he would own the  club by now. He's not a man who hangs around.He get what he wants when he wants it. HICKS AND GILLETTE NEED TO GO but the Sheikh and DIC arent the only people in the world capable of buying the club. Theyve missed the boat as far as i'm concerned and i get extremely bored nowadays of their name popping up every couple of weeks! Seems to me to be purely for publicity >:(
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 28, 2008, 08:13:32 PM
This is crazy , this bullsh*t looks like dragging out yet again.

By Chris Bascombe, the News of the World, 27/09/2008

Liverpool's owners have been given a six-month amnesty before repaying their massive £350million debts.

Tom Hicks and George Gillett faced the possibility of their refinancing agreement with the Royal Bank of Scotland ending in January.



But after triggering the option of delaying repayments, the Americans now have until July to either cement their position or maximise the value of the club.

Although this gives the pair more leeway as they deal with the repercussions of the worldwide economic squeeze, it’s still believed the clock is ticking on their Liverpool reign.

Potential buyers from Dubai hope the extension will simply delay rather than block a fresh New Year bid.

Optimistic noises continue regarding the American’s intentions to sell, even though talks have also been ongoing with RBS to raise a further £100m to begin work on the delayed Stanley Park stadium.

Gillett is understood to be more receptive to the idea of selling Liverpool but has given no indication he is actively pursuing a deal.

Hicks has never publicly wavered from his hard line in refusing to sanction takeover talks.

There is a possibility the crisis in the American economy could help Hicks if some of his debts are written off as part of the US government’s crisis measures.



I'd be surprised if Bascombe ends up being right. According to RAWK there's an article intoday's People stating Anil Ambani is preparing a £550M. Last week Everton, this week us. Who next Tranny Rovers?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 28, 2008, 09:36:02 PM
There's no mention of this in the 'heavy' Sunday's. Only NOTW. A large pinch of salt is required here me thinks.

In the current financial market I can't see any bank not wanting its loan back asap. And as for Hicks getting some of his debts written off well there's about as much chance of that as me pulling Billie Piper!  ::)

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 28, 2008, 10:06:08 PM
There's no mention of this in the 'heavy' Sunday's. Only NOTW. A large pinch of salt is required here me thinks.

In the current financial market I can't see any bank not wanting its loan back asap. And as for Hicks getting some of his debts written off well there's about as much chance of that as me pulling Billie Piper!  ::)



Not just the original capital, but the interest aswell. I'd be surprised if any has been paid across on the bulk of the credit facility.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 29, 2008, 01:36:40 AM
Guess the original story is bull s***.

I doubt it was bullshit at the time but it certainly seems to have turned out that way. Pretty sure Skippy was telling the truth, but chinese wispers can be dangerous to believe.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 30, 2008, 09:36:29 AM
It seems to be early days yet but if this report proves accurate it may not be long before everton are owned by the worlds 6th richest man.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1064598/Indian-billionaire-moves-Goodison-Park-takeover-meeting-Kenwright.html?ITO=1490

It would be a hard blow to take if off the field Everton get their house in order, their future and stadium secured while after all our years of searching for our future to be hanging in the balance
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 30, 2008, 10:46:14 AM
If the US Govt package to save their financial institutions is not passed then it could mean very serious ramifications for H&G. The loan is from RBS / Wachovia and if they don't get bailed out then they could be calling all debts in. Certainly those from those who can afford to pay will be top of their list.

H&G may have to pay up or sell up sooner than January. I don't see them getting any sort of extension in the current economic light. That could mean the Sheikh makes his move rather sooner than expected.

As for Everton it's one thing having a rich owner and another convincing high-profile players to join your club. That's were Man City could struggle but even with our current ownership debacle Liverpool Football Club still has a lot of respect. Look at Riera. Wasn't interested in Everton even though they may have offered him more money. The lure of LFC (and Rafa to be fair) outweighed anything Everton could offer.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on September 30, 2008, 11:27:50 AM
Ageing stick Insect - Have Wachovia not been taken over by Citigroup? I wonder what ramifications if any that would have for H&G's loan.

Also it seems the american public dont want the US bailout to go ahead. It just seems to be a get out of jail card for american fat cats that have managed to p*ss away billions of dollars. I was listening to one american financial expert last night who was delighted the motion was rejected and he claimed his voice was that of the general american public. If that is the case lets hope the new motion being proposed toward the end of the week is also defeated.

As for convincing players to join the likes of Man city and Everton. A big cash injection into a club goes a long way to attracting top quality signings. A club like Liverpool will always have its pulling power thanks to its success on the picth but if the likes of Man city and everton all of a sudden have access to huge transfer budgets where they can offer huge wages you would be naieve to think that alot of players heads will not be turned. Robinho is prime example of that. On the pitch success may not be a given but it would make the possibility of champions league qualification a far greater reality two or three years down the line and thats when you would hear even more players claiming their love for the likes of City or Everton if they did happen to get takenover by Ambani.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on September 30, 2008, 04:26:02 PM
Wachovia contributed approx £76.25M towards the total refinancing - see ttnbd's post on RAWK. There have been eyebrows raised at Citigroup's purchase as they have had their difficulties recently and their CEO had talked about offloading approx $450BN of liabilities.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on September 30, 2008, 07:25:57 PM
Ageing stick Insect - Have Wachovia not been taken over by Citigroup? I wonder what ramifications if any that would have for H&G's loan.

Yes, they have. Can't imagine it will be more generous than RSB / Wachovia. Money is so tight banks aren't loaning to other banks so the only way to get any is to call in some loans. Robbing banks is probably not an option.

As for convincing players to join the likes of Man city and Everton. A big cash injection into a club goes a long way to attracting top quality signings. A club like Liverpool will always have its pulling power thanks to its success on the picth but if the likes of Man city and everton all of a sudden have access to huge transfer budgets where they can offer huge wages you would be naieve to think that alot of players heads will not be turned. Robinho is prime example of that. On the pitch success may not be a given but it would make the possibility of champions league qualification a far greater reality two or three years down the line and thats when you would hear even more players claiming their love for the likes of City or Everton if they did happen to get takenover by Ambani.

Robinho was desperate to leave RM and would have gone to anyone just to get away. Let's see who City get in January. I very much doubt they will attract Ronaldo or any of those high profile players they yearn. Those guys are already multi-millionaires and playing in the CL is more important to them than being paid £100,000pw for UEFA Cup performances. If City do make it into the top 4 in May things may change in the summer. CL football is everything to these guys.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on September 30, 2008, 11:07:15 PM
I'm not sure tbh that this US bailout will make much direct benefit to Hicks tbh. The bailout is expected to go through btw eventually. I'm no expert but it's not Hicks bad assets they are bailing out and money from lenders will remain tight.

As for Ambani, yes it may be that he takes over but I wonder why he wants to takeover? From what I hear from an Indian LFC fan who used to live in India - he makes Hick's arrogance look like a 5 year old childs, apparently he's not afraid to upset people to get his way - sound familar? Plus you have to ask whether he would buy for prestige or money - I suspect the latter so you never know how that might turn out - here's to hoping eh?!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on October 03, 2008, 02:11:06 PM
Aldos two cence worth;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7650395.stm
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Post by: Tes on October 03, 2008, 08:00:46 PM
Yes, they have. Can't imagine it will be more generous than RSB / Wachovia. Money is so tight banks aren't loaning to other banks so the only way to get any is to call in some loans. Robbing banks is probably not an option.

Wachovia haven't been bought by Citigroup but by Wells Fargo.
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Post by: the dude abides on October 08, 2008, 12:08:07 AM
Rafael Benítez no nearer to contract extension
by Oliver Kay, The Times

For the first time in what feels like an age, Liverpool appear to be quietly going about their business, but the silence from the boardroom is not necessarily golden. Rafael Benítez has been given no indication that he will be offered an extension to his contract, which runs out at the end of next season, and for as long as the club remain in the hands of Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the Spaniard appears unlikely to be offered any long-term security.

Hicks claimed six months ago that he wanted to offer Benítez a new contract, albeit only a one-year extension, but that he could not force through his plan until he had bought out Gillett, his co-owner. Hicks and Gillett have since claimed that they have patched up their “unworkable” partnership, but whatever else they may have reached agreement on, the American tycoons appear to have no plans to resolve the manager's future amid growing suspicions that their focus is solely on their exit strategy.

Hicks and Gillett are firmly expected to sell Liverpool in the coming months, with another prospective investor having joined Sheikh Mohammed, the Crown Prince of Dubai, in declaring an interest in recent weeks. In the meantime, construction work on a proposed new stadium in Stanley Park has been postponed indefinitely, with the owners unable to provide the finance, and there appears to be no prospect of a new contract for Benítez, even though there is no logical reason that a deal should not be offered if, after a good start to the Barclays Premier League campaign, he has the support of the six-man board.

Benítez has been known to use the media to advance his causes in the past, which is one reason he fell out with Hicks and Gillett last autumn, but he was restrained when asked about the silence on his future. “I'm not worried about the situation at the moment,” he said. “I am trying to be pragmatic about it and am just concentrating on the things I can improve. It doesn't make it more difficult for me to plan for the future. I can only control things on the pitch and try to improve the squad. If I can do that, then things will be easier in the future.”

Benítez's situation is being monitored by leading clubs in Spain and Italy. Reports in Italy on Monday suggested that Juventus may move for the Spaniard if they lose patience with Claudio Ranieri after a difficult start to the season. Benítez, though, has reiterated his desire to stay at Liverpool. “I'm really pleased and I have two more years [in fact a little over 18 months] left on my contract, so right now I'm just trying to do my job the best I can,” he said. “I have always said I want to stay here for many years and I have the same idea now.”
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Post by: martin on October 08, 2008, 09:59:19 AM
In terms of Rafa's contract, I'm not really worried. I mean, why wouldn't you offer Rafa another contract at some point? Let's face it, if you were G&H's the most important thing is CL football - is there a better manager than Benitez for that? No.

As for Dubai... Whatever really! Oli K mentions in the article about other investors, according to some people on RAWK the Qatar royal family and Ambani are showing an interest but as to whether that is bollocks or not is another debate all together.
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Post by: Juan on October 08, 2008, 10:27:56 AM
Rafael Benítez no nearer to contract extension


F the American tycoons appear to have no plans to resolve the manager's future amid growing suspicions that their focus is solely on their exit strategy.

Hicks and Gillett are firmly expected to sell Liverpool in the coming months, with another prospective investor having joined Sheikh Mohammed, the Crown Prince of Dubai, in declaring an interest in recent weeks.

Thanks for the update dude but Im afraid I no longer believe a word that is said is any of the papers when it comes to a potential takeover of Liverpool. (Daily post, echo and bascombes articles aside)

Too much has been written in the past year and too little has happened to make me believe any of what is written is true. Hicks has fought tooth and nail to keep the club so I just cant see him relinquishing control now. We have seen petitions, protests, and even a financial meltdown in the world but the f*cker still remains.

Its a weary story that shows no end in sight. As long as the bank continues to give him support and as long as Hicks doesnt have to bare the brunt of the fans fury on a daily basis this story could just keep runnning and running
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Post by: martin on October 08, 2008, 11:06:12 AM
Thanks for the update dude but Im afraid I no longer believe a word that is said is any of the papers when it comes to a potential takeover of Liverpool. (Daily post, echo and bascombes articles aside)

Too much has been written in the past year and too little has happened to make me believe any of what is written is true. Hicks has fought tooth and nail to keep the club so I just cant see him relinquishing control now. We have seen petitions, protests, and even a financial meltdown in the world but the f*cker still remains.

Its a weary story that shows no end in sight. As long as the bank continues to give him support and as long as Hicks doesnt have to bare the brunt of the fans fury on a daily basis this story could just keep runnning and running

Have to agree with you Juan, rumour upon story upon rumour and nothing has materialised. In many ways it would be better to forget about it all until something happens. In reality, we naturally retain interest.
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Post by: the dude abides on October 08, 2008, 02:12:58 PM
Oliver Kay of the Times is a highly respected journalist.  There are three or four such people, who I pay attention to.

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Post by: Juan on October 08, 2008, 02:32:48 PM
I agree dude Oliver is a respected journalist but even he has churned out more than his fair share of articles to date on our situation and to be honest Im yet to see any of his reports or speculations come to fruition. Obviously if he keeps churning them out hes bound to eventually get it right. But for me his last article doesnt offer anything of substance.

From an ownership perspective the silence is deafening. If it is to happen I think it will be more of a wham bam scenario like the City deal, it will be announced before we even know whats going on. As time drags on the more I think im starting to face the reality that the Sheik deal is dead. If he really wanted us that badly he'd have us by now, if he cant take advantage of Hicks/Gilettes precarious financial position during a financial downturn then he never will. But if hes not going to buy God knows who will.

Currently every man and his dog including myself has their own thoughts on what will happen but I think seeing the backs of Hicks and Gilette anytime soon is now just wishful thinking.

Maybe the following may spur them to sell but somehow I seriously doubt it

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_4261760,00.html
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Post by: the dude abides on October 08, 2008, 03:34:59 PM
I agree dude Oliver is a respected journalist but even he has churned out more than his fair share of articles to date on our situation and to be honest Im yet to see any of his reports or speculations come to fruition. Obviously if he keeps churning them out hes bound to eventually get it right.

Juan, if we don't believe people like bascombe, barrett and kay, then who do we believe?

I am optimistic that there will be movement in the corridors of power at Anfield.  I think if nothing else, the banks will start to exert serious pressure next year on the yanks.

You see, I reckon with the credit crunch, and the world's economic systems in threat of meltdown, that the Premiership is in a bad situation.

Man Utd and Chelsea have combined debts of 1.5 billion pounds.  The other clubs are in a load of debt too.  The UK and Ireland satellite tv subscription market is at saturation point.  Basically they have screwed us as much as they can.  We have no more to give.  If we see a long drawn out recession (even depression) that lasts several years, then many many people are gonna lose their jobs and will find money very tight.  One of the first things to go, will be their footy subscription.  And where will that leave Sky/Setanta and the heavily in debt premiership clubs?

Make no mistake, we are living in very scary times.   Football is way overpriced and far too heavily in debt.....and, for clubs with a small ground/crowd, highly dependent on one key revenue stream (TV).

The yanks are in a bind.  They are caught between a rock and a hard place.  All the spin and sweet talk they can muster, will be dismissed by their bankers. I suspect that Hicks and Gillett won't have a decision to make regarding selling up.

And as for your query about why doesn't Terry McDermott just come in and buy the club, and be done with it.  Why would anyone pay more than what they value something to be worth.  These are bad bad times.  I don't see any houses moving, or investment in my area.  If I were Terry, I'd be doing exactly the same thing - namely Oliver Hardy is quoting a stupid price to me, playing silly billies, despite holding a very weak hand of cards....ok, I'll bide my time. 
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Post by: Juan on October 08, 2008, 05:04:07 PM
Juan, if we don't believe people like bascombe, barrett and kay, then who do we believe?

I am optimistic that there will be movement in the corridors of power at Anfield.  I think if nothing else, the banks will start to exert serious pressure next year on the yanks.

You see, I reckon with the credit crunch, and the world's economic systems in threat of meltdown, that the Premiership is in a bad situation.

Man Utd and Chelsea have combined debts of 1.5 billion pounds.  The other clubs are in a load of debt too.  The UK and Ireland satellite tv subscription market is at saturation point.  Basically they have screwed us as much as they can.  We have no more to give.  If we see a long drawn out recession (even depression) that lasts several years, then many many people are gonna lose their jobs and will find money very tight.  One of the first things to go, will be their footy subscription.  And where will that leave Sky/Setanta and the heavily in debt premiership clubs?

Make no mistake, we are living in very scary times.   Football is way overpriced and far too heavily in debt.....and, for clubs with a small ground/crowd, highly dependent on one key revenue stream (TV).

The yanks are in a bind.  They are caught between a rock and a hard place.  All the spin and sweet talk they can muster, will be dismissed by their bankers. I suspect that Hicks and Gillett won't have a decision to make regarding selling up.

And as for your query about why doesn't Terry McDermott just come in and buy the club, and be done with it.  Why would anyone pay more than what they value something to be worth.  These are bad bad times.  I don't see any houses moving, or investment in my area.  If I were Terry, I'd be doing exactly the same thing - namely Oliver Hardy is quoting a stupid price to me, playing silly billies, despite holding a very weak hand of cards....ok, I'll bide my time. 


Dude I did say about 2 or 3 posts ago that the only papers or journos I have trust in are the Echo, Barrett or Bascombe. Whatever Bascombe or Barrett say I take as gospel because both have their sources at the club.

And I can completely understand what you are saying in relation to the worrying state of debt in the premiership. The english game does seem to be built on a house of cards at the moment and it does seem very possible that some day it will all come crashing down.

But I am becoming more and more unconvinced that the Americans are planning to go. Well Hicks anyway. They have apparently being stuck between that rock and hard place for quiet some time now, everyone has been expecting them to sell but the thing about is they are still here and the longer they stick around the more convinced I am that they could possibly weather the storm.

I know you can say that good old Terry is biding his time but Im begining to think we as fans are more living in hope that  Terry will save us when that may no longer be the case. Im sorry but even though we have every reason to hope with the performances on the field I just find myslef becoming more pessimistic about affairs off it 

And by the way I followed your lead and pulled the plug on my Sky subscription
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Post by: the dude abides on October 08, 2008, 05:43:24 PM
I am becoming more and more unconvinced that the Americans are planning to go. Well Hicks anyway. They have apparently being stuck between that rock and hard place for quiet some time now, everyone has been expecting them to sell but the thing about is they are still here and the longer they stick around the more convinced I am that they could possibly weather the storm.

.....

And by the way I followed your lead and pulled the plug on my Sky subscription

well played, Juan.  If more and more people cancelled Sky/Setanta, then we would start to see some financial sense being restored to football.

as for laurel and hardy - their house of cards got knocked over when they couldn't start building the new ground. With no potential new revenue streams, a major threat evolving to our regular top four spot, no incoming money, a credit crunch meaning any credit will be at higher interest rates, 30 million interest each year to find each annum to merely service current loans.....and a loan that is up for renewal in January.

It may be of little significance whether Hicks wants to sell or not.  Other people may well make the decision for him.


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Post by: the dude abides on October 09, 2008, 07:29:04 PM
reading shankslegend's latest stuff and he says:

REFINANCING

"I said last week that the yanks are very very close to agreeing a refinance package, but this is only due to the fact they have to, it is the intention of especially GG to sell.

They can't wait till last minute to refinance so they have to put their plans in place now, so please dont panic if refinance info comes out in the press soon."


SALE

(apart from Terry McDermott) There are 3 names one is Ambani, the names that have been going round the club last week are genuine 2 i have heard off and 1 not so sure, but they all sound very positive.


TIMESCALE

I would certainly say sooner then 6 months, there is a lot of work happening at the minute and a lot of dialog between KPMG and the club.  However it appears this is for the foreseeable refinancing package, he did say that very in depth figures are being passed around at the min.

GG is desperate and wants out as he has other interests he would like to pursue, it is fact that he has informed Moores and Hicks of his intentions, he has also stated he knows he can't take the club in the directions he would like too.


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on October 11, 2008, 03:36:33 PM
The latest update according to the Guardian - Could it be end of the road for any Dubai related interest for Liverpool?


Charlton Athletic were last night the subject of a takeover bid by the Maktoum family in a deal that would seem to end Dubai's interest in Liverpool.

The Valley club's efforts to play down the deal last night by insisting there is "no certainty" that the "indicative" bid will become a formal offer will not restrain unbridled excitement in south-east London. The involvement of Sheikh Hamdan Al-Maktoum, son of Dubai's ruler, Sheikh Mohammed, through his Zabeel Investments vehicle would make the ascendancy of a club that dropped out of the Premier League with only 34 points in 2007 almost a certainty.

The Maktoum family had been involved in fruitless negotiations with the Anfield club's owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks, and also turned down the opportunity to purchase Newcastle United. Hicks recently travelled to Dubai with a view to offloading his 50% stake in the club but the talks were inconclusive. Then Mike Ashley and Dennis Wise also paid a visit in an attempt to generate interest in Newcastle but according to sources familiar with the discussions the sums the pair demanded were considered unrealistic.

Their attention then turned to Charlton. Superficially there would seem to be few motives for taking over a club who lie only 14th in the Championship today. But there was an influential link with Liverpool in that Rothschilds, the investment bank, had represented the five-times European champions and also worked for Charlton.

The Valley club have been scouring the market for fresh investment in recent months but few could have considered that the Dubai ruling caste would be interested in a Championship club. One close observer of Dubai's football negotiations expressed surprise at the deal, saying: "They usually go for the front of the grid."

However another explained that as Gulf potentates go, Dubai is the junior partner to Abu Dhabi and the investment by Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan in Manchester City has shifted Premier League politics. The Charlton purchase may have been motivated by a desire not to be seen to "outdo" Abu Dhabi United Group by taking over England's most decorated club.

Any notion that Liverpool might still fall into Dubai's hands appears misguided since there would also be the further complication of Premier League and Football Association ownership rules. A single owner may not purchase two clubs in the same competition and the prospect of promotion as well as the chance of them being drawn against each other in a cup competition has complicated the issue. "Everything in Dubai goes back to the royal family," as one insider with knowledge of the deal stated.

A statement from Charlton's board said: "In spite of being approached by various English football clubs as well as a number of well-known clubs in Europe and South America, Zabeel Investments believes Charlton is the right club for them."

Amid a fire-sale of Premier League clubs Charlton have undoubtedly benefited from the effects of their good husbandry in recent years. With their Premier League parachute payments expiring at the end of last season, the board kept a tight rein on spending.

The directors even loaned the club almost £4m in interim funding in an effort to stabilise its finances in straitened times. In contrast to the £100m-plus borrowings of many top-flight clubs, Charlton's debts are believed to have been restricted to seven figures with the sales of players such as the £16m striker, Darren Bent, to Tottenham.

"We feel now is the right time to make a strategic, long-term investment in Charlton and get CAFC back to the English Premier League where they belong," said Zabeel Investments' executive chairman Mohammed Al-Hashimi.

"The passion of the fans at Charlton, the heritage of the club and the unique status it enjoys in the community make it an exciting proposition for us."


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on October 12, 2008, 09:39:53 AM
Dubai retain Liverpool interest despite Charlton talks                                                                                                                                     
Liverpool could still end up in the hands of Dubai's ruling family regardless of their proposed takeover of Charlton.

The Championship club last week announced the receipt on an indicative offer from Zabeel Investments. The involvement of Sheikh Hamdan Al-Maktoum, son of Dubai ruler Sheikh Mohammed, has been interpreted as the termination of the long standing pursuit of Liverpool.

Dubai, however, remains intent on buying Liverpool whenever the club's current owners are prepared to sell. Tom Hicks and George Gillett rejected an offer in the region of £500m earlier this year, but remain under pressure to fund the debt with which they purchased the club and to obtain finance for a new stadium.

'Nothing has changed,' said a source. 'The Maktoums still intend to takeover Liverpool and the possible purchase of Charlton certainly has no bearing on it."                               
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Post by: martin on October 12, 2008, 01:49:52 PM
God knows.
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Post by: the dude abides on October 12, 2008, 04:22:42 PM
he's probably worried about the worth of his 80 houses.
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Post by: Tes on October 12, 2008, 04:48:00 PM
God knows.

OK, I'm off to church tonight to ask him. (chunter, chunter the sacrifices I have to make.)
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Post by: martin on October 12, 2008, 07:18:43 PM
 :D  All I mean is that I've spent countless hours, probably weeks, on the net trying to figure out what is going on but still have no clue! It was frustrating about 6 months ago. I reckon assume Hicks is our owner until you see the Shiekh on the news next to Benitez.
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Post by: Tes on October 13, 2008, 12:20:35 AM
.....assume Hicks is our owner until....
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Post by: Tes on October 13, 2008, 12:58:00 AM
Could this prove to be another twist come January or July?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4932250.ece (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4932250.ece)

The last paragraph may provide just a small chink of light for us.

How many Reds (of the LFC variety) are in the cabinet or amongst Labour MPs I wonder. Maybe a concerted campaign aimed at Labour MPs in key marginals by Reds in those constituency and I really do think now would the perfect time for every Red to withdraw their money from any RBS product. Confidence is so fragile and these financial types seem to soon get the jitters.
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Post by: martin on October 13, 2008, 09:34:56 PM
Could this prove to be another twist come January or July?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4932250.ece (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4932250.ece)

The last paragraph may provide just a small chink of light for us.

How many Reds (of the LFC variety) are in the cabinet or amongst Labour MPs I wonder. Maybe a concerted campaign aimed at Labour MPs in key marginals by Reds in those constituency and I really do think now would the perfect time for every Red to withdraw their money from any RBS product. Confidence is so fragile and these financial types seem to soon get the jitters.

I would love to comment but really I have no clue. Superficially it sounds like it could but I do not have either the financial savvy or business acumen, or a granular level of knowledge to be able to comment anything but speculatively.
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Post by: I am The Egg Man on October 13, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
I would love to comment but really I have no clue. Superficially it sounds like it could but I do not have either the financial savvy or business acumen, or a granular level of knowledge to be able to comment anything but speculatively.

The government buying a stake in RBS and putting forward £500 billion in loans will probably garentee that the club is refinaced come January, I would have also thought that it would garenteee that the club could borrow the money to build the stadium.  On saying that though I have just listened to the football fans football phone in on BBC radio Merseyside and the LFC fan who does that program works in the finance industry and spends alot of time in America.  He said that Wachovia is in dire straights and are in no position to lend anything to any one, they are a lame duck.  He said that if he was advising the owners he would advise them to do nothing at the moment as the circumstances in which they would get a loan would be very unfavorable as it is so difficult to get a loan of any sort.  He also said that he believes that within the next 12 months LFC will change hands.
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Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on October 14, 2008, 12:04:51 PM
I've looked back to see when Skippy last posted on this and it was 8th September.

Might it be time for an update?  ;)
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Post by: auxide on October 16, 2008, 11:00:42 PM
Little thing about the MLS expansion teams

Quote from: ESPNSoccernet
The family of Gillett, who owns the NHL's Montreal Canadiens and co-owns Liverpool with Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks, was joined in the Montreal bid by the Saputo family, which controls the dairy processor Saputo Inc.

Maybe theyve finally realised that theyve bitten off more they can chew.
Hopefully their bid gets accepted...so they can get the fizzle out.

Source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=582283&cc=3436
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Post by: martin on October 16, 2008, 11:07:03 PM
Little thing about the MLS expansion teams

Maybe theyve finally realised that theyve bitten off more they can chew.
Hopefully their bid gets accepted...so they can get the fizzle out.

Source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=582283&cc=3436

The general consensus of opinion is that Gillett wants out, and has done for a while but Hicks on the other hand...
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Post by: auxide on October 16, 2008, 11:12:40 PM
The general consensus of opinion is that Gillett wants out, and has done for a while but Hicks on the other hand...

Yeh, i know. But this is a good move forward to getting them out (well, atleast one) if Gillett leaves i dont think Hicks will hang around for long either.
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Post by: martin on October 16, 2008, 11:22:24 PM
Yeh, i know. But this is a good move forward to getting them out (well, atleast one) if Gillett leaves i dont think Hicks will hang around for long either.

Unless of course he can get other investors on board? Rumour has it he has been trying, although rumour has it that something might happen soon in totality.
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Post by: Kenny on October 24, 2008, 05:49:57 PM
I've looked back to see when Skippy last posted on this and it was 8th September.

Might it be time for an update?  ;)

I will give you a update, He was bull shitting,
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Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on October 24, 2008, 08:41:40 PM
I will give you a update, He was bull s***ting,

And your proof would be....  ::)
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Post by: Tes on October 27, 2008, 11:14:01 PM
And your proof would be....  ::)

In the pudding?
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Post by: Tes on October 27, 2008, 11:16:41 PM
Another company Hicks is involved in has filed for chaptor 11 bankruptcy:

http://www.penews.com/today/index/content/2452252522/restricted (http://www.penews.com/today/index/content/2452252522/restricted)

I hope RBS know who they are trusting with their (or our) money if the rumoured extension to July is true.

And a very interesting post from RAWK from a "mrsphilthefish":

I'd have kicked him right where it hurt the bounder.....they've gone too far now. It's not just a case of not being able to pay for a new stadium, my cousin who is a ST holder of many years and a regular away match goer has just been laid off last week. Whats that got to do with these 2 hillbillies?Whats that got to do with these 2 hillbillies? Well, he was the foreman on the new ground! Got the job when these 2 promised us the world and now no ground means no job for him and many others.They are not just messing LFC about but they are also playing with peoples lives. Now, he's going to look for a job abroad as he can't get one here. I've lost my match going mate and he's probably going to have to sell his house, miss going the games and a hell of a lot more besides!
So cheers fuckers.....what a lot we've got to thank you for, not.


Delayed, my foot. CANCELLED is more like it.

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Post by: the dude abides on October 27, 2008, 11:29:58 PM
interesting RAWK post.

proof is in the pudding, so-to-speak - the yanks have no intention of building the new stadium.

and all this fecking spin/deceit is now playing with peoples lives and families.

the hatred for these two feckers is simmering and will get worse.

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Post by: Tes on October 27, 2008, 11:39:38 PM
interesting RAWK post.

proof is in the pudding, so-to-speak - the yanks have no intention of building the new stadium.

and all this fecking spin/deceit is now playing with peoples lives and families.

the hatred for these two feckers is simmering and will get worse.



Dude, it's what these sort of people do best (or worst). Everyone is fair game to be used to swell their bank balances and egos.

David Moores, you really couldn't have f@cked it up more if you had tried your  damnedist to. And there he is at Stamford Bridge, whooping it up with Gillett. I hope your silly little honoury president bullsh!t title is worth everything you hoped it would be. Your place in LFC's history is an infamous one. Fool.
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Post by: Kenny on October 27, 2008, 11:57:17 PM
And your proof would be....  ::)

facts, you look at them the conclusion is obvious, look at shankslegend on RAWK, got ripped by Tony Barrett for bulls shitting, told us the Barry deal is happening when 24 hours later Parry said the deal has been long dead and then he said Gillett has said to Moores he will sell when Gillett himself said they arent selling. Its obvious they arent selling, but too many people are convinced by bull shed posts that its all happening. Its laughable really.
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Post by: Tes on October 28, 2008, 12:22:42 AM
Its obvious they arent selling...... Its laughable really.

Try as I might, I find nothing amusing about that thought. Kenny, I understand what you're trying to say, but people will clutch at straws, even hopes, that we will see the back of these two. DIC, at one point, looked nailed on to succeed Moores, so I guess anything is possible. Only those two really know what is happening and they aren't saying, well Hick's does through the individual known as "spokesman" and Gillett changes his story as often as the weather changes during a British summer. Surely you understand the emotions behind what people post, whether it's based in fact or not.

The hope, despair, desperation of fans is a damning indictment of what the two fools have left people feeling about their, our, club. We're all Reds. We all want what's best for the club and the fools that make up the ownership and administration of the club, Parry and Moores, included with the fools that pass themselves off as "custodians", ARE NOT, in any way, shape or form, what's best for the club. Leeds, we aren't and Leeds, we don't want to end up becoming.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on October 28, 2008, 03:00:23 AM
Dude, it's what these sort of people do best (or worst). Everyone is fair game to be used to swell their bank balances and egos.

yes, I think you're right, Tes.

Indeed I suspect that most of those who reach the top, be it in business, or be it in relationships, walk all over others to get to that level.

I know an ex of mine who showed zero emotion or remorse when breaking off a two year relationship with me, the very same day that someone better came along.   

Some of us are decent and sadly we get walked over by those who are relentless in the pursuit of their greedy self-centred objectives.

I think a point will come very soon, where the Laurel and Hardy family circus will not be able to fly into the city of Liverpool at all.  The hatred for them runs too deep now, across the entire city.


Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on October 28, 2008, 11:53:14 AM
I think a point will come very soon, where the Laurel and Hardy family circus will not be able to fly into the city of Liverpool at all. 

But until then it'll all be on expenses at our expense. I wonder how much Gillett's Madrid and London sojourns have set us back. Still we won't see his snidy mug at Anfield tomorrow as it's 'only' Pompey.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on October 28, 2008, 04:34:36 PM
facts, you look at them the conclusion is obvious, look at shankslegend on RAWK, got ripped by Tony Barrett for bulls s***ting, told us the Barry deal is happening when 24 hours later Parry said the deal has been long dead and then he said Gillett has said to Moores he will sell when Gillett himself said they arent selling. Its obvious they arent selling, but too many people are convinced by bull s*** posts that its all happening. Its laughable really.

I think people like ShanksLegend are excellent. 

The eventual outcome of particular issues (like Barry's move, or the yank's selling) is never cut and dried.  Events can turn in the blink of an eye.  Insiders are only posting what they know/have heard.

If some folks are just gonna sit on the touchline just waiting to get the chance to ridicule and harass people like ShanksLegend, when outcomes change......well I think that says a helluva lot more about them, than it does ShanksLegend.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on October 28, 2008, 04:37:43 PM
But until then it'll all be on expenses at our expense. I wonder how much Gillett's Madrid and London sojourns have set us back. Still we won't see his snidy mug at Anfield tomorrow as it's 'only' Pompey.

yes.

I always note that Laurel picks his games very precisely.

He loves to fly over from America to away European games.  He'll throw in a very occasional home premiership game, when events are relatively quiet at the time.

No doubt he tells his buddies and media back home, and anyone who will listen, of how he follows his beloved reds.   
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on October 28, 2008, 08:54:10 PM
I think people like ShanksLegend are excellent. 

The eventual outcome of particular issues (like Barry's move, or the yank's selling) is never cut and dried.  Events can turn in the blink of an eye.  Insiders are only posting what they know/have heard.

If some folks are just gonna sit on the touchline just waiting to get the chance to ridicule and harass people like ShanksLegend, when outcomes change......well I think that says a helluva lot more about them, than it does ShanksLegend.



I too think ITK are great, although things change they give us updates, the best ones are Coops, Dave U on TLW and Elsiha Scott on YNWA. But SL has been proven to be a liar, but people think he is the messiah, he is a attention seeker.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on October 28, 2008, 08:57:43 PM
Try as I might, I find nothing amusing about that thought. Kenny, I understand what you're trying to say, but people will clutch at straws, even hopes, that we will see the back of these two. DIC, at one point, looked nailed on to succeed Moores, so I guess anything is possible. Only those two really know what is happening and they aren't saying, well Hick's does through the individual known as "spokesman" and Gillett changes his story as often as the weather changes during a British summer. Surely you understand the emotions behind what people post, whether it's based in fact or not.

The hope, despair, desperation of fans is a damning indictment of what the two fools have left people feeling about their, our, club. We're all Reds. We all want what's best for the club and the fools that make up the ownership and administration of the club, Parry and Moores, included with the fools that pass themselves off as "custodians", ARE NOT, in any way, shape or form, what's best for the club. Leeds, we aren't and Leeds, we don't want to end up becoming.

Tes couldn't agree more, its annoying when we have stories which say a sale is imminent then a denial the same day. Its a roller coaster Im not enjoying, although I check threads for news, Im begining to think they will ride the storm and stay for a while yet.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on October 28, 2008, 10:49:54 PM
facts, you look at them the conclusion is obvious, look at shankslegend on RAWK, got ripped by Tony Barrett for bulls s***ting, told us the Barry deal is happening when 24 hours later Parry said the deal has been long dead and then he said Gillett has said to Moores he will sell when Gillett himself said they arent selling. Its obvious they arent selling, but too many people are convinced by bull s*** posts that its all happening. Its laughable really.

Kenny,

I don't visit any other forums for news, tittle-tattle or whatever you want to call it. My sources are here, Jim's page, the BBC Sport, the Times and Telegraph sites. I'm losing trust in the Times after last week. The Telegraph is closer than most but they still get things wrong. I guess even good sources can misunderstand things or events change and they're outside the loop.

Until some clear news comes from RBS about the loan extension then it's just all speculation. G&H will either be granted a 6 month extension or they won't. The way the world's money markets are right now I find it difficult to see how they could be granted one but crazier things have happened.

The move by MPs to force a sale because of the impact on the surrounding area by delaying the new build might prove fruitful. RBS owe the Govt big time and may have their hands forced. It would be a good move by Labour especially if the club was sold to someone who could fast-track the new build. Jobs are very important right now especially in Liverpool and with Labour behind in the polls it would be good for them.

But the most important thing is that the lads keep winning and pressure is applied to extend Rafa's contract.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on October 29, 2008, 12:52:14 AM
I too think ITK are great, although things change they give us updates, the best ones are Coops, Dave U on TLW and Elsiha Scott on YNWA. But SL has been proven to be a liar, but people think he is the messiah, he is a attention seeker.

Kenny, I agree with you re Elisha and Dave U (most of the time) but Coops, I can't weigh up. He used to post a lot on EST1892, but now seems to stick to TLW, probably because EST1892 seem to have dropped the obligatory 'Takeover thread' (either that or my eyes really are as bad as my optician says they are). Some of what he says seems like ITK stuff, other times it's straight forward common sense.

Personally, I have no problems with the ITK posts. Pinch of salt etc. If people have info, or think they have info, most of them post in good faith but as Gillett seems to change tack constantly and Hick's through "a source close to" remains constant, it's hard to tell what is or what will happen. It is an emotional rollercoaster, being a fan of a football club in the modern era can't be anything but.

One way or the other, Moores sold out, or more precisely, sold us out, well and truly down the river. He trusted Gillett's word on Hicks, who needed to Google to find out about us. 3 days for due dilligence. That's not impressive or professional, it's reckless stupidity. Yet it raised no red flags for Moores or Parry. Some 7 year exit strategy worried Moores, apparently. That's good and normal business practice, unlike 3 day due dilligence!! Whether Hicks will stay ala his American non performing, never have performed, it's a day out for the family franchises in the States or whether the current economic climite forces his fat, trembling, greedy hand, who knows. Gillett, the cameleon is even harder to predict, though having once owned the Harlem Globetrotters and current owner of the most famous (Ice) hockey team, he at least seems to have a taste for historical/history making teams, though whether he has the human qualities needed to understand what makes a team so special, is doubtful, especially coming from a country that is only in it's third century of existance and where anything over 50 years old counts as historical, he knows not what we are about and what we stand for as a club.

Kenny, go easy on the ITKers. Having an opinion is one thing. Like arseholes, we all have one, expressing it is another and the method of expression either gets you a pat on the back or your head chewed off. You obviously trawl the forums, like a lot of us. Each one has it's ITKs that are treated as local heroes made good, whilst trashing the ITKs on other forums. Anyway, Fatherly chat (or nag) done with. Keep posting as all views have validity and in the bigger picture are worthless, but it keeps us all amused, and sane (or less insane), take your pick.     
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: PhilLFC on October 29, 2008, 08:51:34 AM
Kenny, I agree with you re Elisha and Dave U (most of the time) but Coops, I can't weigh up. He used to post a lot on EST1892, but now seems to stick to TLW, probably because EST1892 seem to have dropped the obligatory 'Takeover thread' (either that or my eyes really are as bad as my optician says they are). Some of what he says seems like ITK stuff, other times it's straight forward common sense.

Personally, I have no problems with the ITK posts. Pinch of salt etc. If people have info, or think they have info, most of them post in good faith but as Gillett seems to change tack constantly and Hick's through "a source close to" remains constant, it's hard to tell what is or what will happen. It is an emotional rollercoaster, being a fan of a football club in the modern era can't be anything but.

One way or the other, Moores sold out, or more precisely, sold us out, well and truly down the river. He trusted Gillett's word on Hicks, who needed to Google to find out about us. 3 days for due dilligence. That's not impressive or professional, it's reckless stupidity. Yet it raised no red flags for Moores or Parry. Some 7 year exit strategy worried Moores, apparently. That's good and normal business practice, unlike 3 day due dilligence!! Whether Hicks will stay ala his American non performing, never have performed, it's a day out for the family franchises in the States or whether the current economic climite forces his fat, trembling, greedy hand, who knows. Gillett, the cameleon is even harder to predict, though having once owned the Harlem Globetrotters and current owner of the most famous (Ice) hockey team, he at least seems to have a taste for historical/history making teams, though whether he has the human qualities needed to understand what makes a team so special, is doubtful, especially coming from a country that is only in it's third century of existance and where anything over 50 years old counts as historical, he knows not what we are about and what we stand for as a club.

Kenny, go easy on the ITKers. Having an opinion is one thing. Like arseholes, we all have one, expressing it is another and the method of expression either gets you a pat on the back or your head chewed off. You obviously trawl the forums, like a lot of us. Each one has it's ITKs that are treated as local heroes made good, whilst trashing the ITKs on other forums. Anyway, Fatherly chat (or nag) done with. Keep posting as all views have validity and in the bigger picture are worthless, but it keeps us all amused, and sane (or less insane), take your pick.     
Hi Tess, I agree with your post on the ITK´s, it is hard to fathom the difference of the Correct ITK news info to the wrong ITK news info and when someone tells you in good faith it raises your hopes, it does go occasionally wrong when you predict things that in the end dont turn out to be.... I would say dont shoot at these type of people for they are only doing it out of good faith.... as it can and does come back at them if it goes wrong!!! We all HATE the two scumbags in America and and we all want to know whats going on in the Club and like Kenny i also understand his views about SL.. He did get a slating from Tony Barrett and it should be left at that, and i am sure that SL will in future be more careful or selective of the Info that he reveals. We all wait for the  "Breaking News" of when the Yanks get kicked out and this is driving people mental and it causes people to have a go at others such as SL when the Info goes...Tits Up... I would say Calm down there are loads and loads of Rumours going around saying that H&G are selling up, The Media are in on it and posters like SL and all the others on the other forums and they are saying the same thing....sooner or later i think they will be gone, either at there own doing or at other people´s doing. We should all stop and look at what we are doing to ourselves...we are fighting each other and why...becuase of Two Stupid Scumbags!!! They are not worth it...

Also on another note...Why is it that we cannot afford a New stadium and yet one of our Owners has the money to put down on another Club???
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on October 29, 2008, 05:48:12 PM
Kenny, I agree with you re Elisha and Dave U (most of the time) but Coops, I can't weigh up. He used to post a lot on EST1892, but now seems to stick to TLW, probably because EST1892 seem to have dropped the obligatory 'Takeover thread' (either that or my eyes really are as bad as my optician says they are). Some of what he says seems like ITK stuff, other times it's straight forward common sense.

Personally, I have no problems with the ITK posts. Pinch of salt etc. If people have info, or think they have info, most of them post in good faith but as Gillett seems to change tack constantly and Hick's through "a source close to" remains constant, it's hard to tell what is or what will happen. It is an emotional rollercoaster, being a fan of a football club in the modern era can't be anything but.

One way or the other, Moores sold out, or more precisely, sold us out, well and truly down the river. He trusted Gillett's word on Hicks, who needed to Google to find out about us. 3 days for due dilligence. That's not impressive or professional, it's reckless stupidity. Yet it raised no red flags for Moores or Parry. Some 7 year exit strategy worried Moores, apparently. That's good and normal business practice, unlike 3 day due dilligence!! Whether Hicks will stay ala his American non performing, never have performed, it's a day out for the family franchises in the States or whether the current economic climite forces his fat, trembling, greedy hand, who knows. Gillett, the cameleon is even harder to predict, though having once owned the Harlem Globetrotters and current owner of the most famous (Ice) hockey team, he at least seems to have a taste for historical/history making teams, though whether he has the human qualities needed to understand what makes a team so special, is doubtful, especially coming from a country that is only in it's third century of existance and where anything over 50 years old counts as historical, he knows not what we are about and what we stand for as a club.

Kenny, go easy on the ITKers. Having an opinion is one thing. Like arseholes, we all have one, expressing it is another and the method of expression either gets you a pat on the back or your head chewed off. You obviously trawl the forums, like a lot of us. Each one has it's ITKs that are treated as local heroes made good, whilst trashing the ITKs on other forums. Anyway, Fatherly chat (or nag) done with. Keep posting as all views have validity and in the bigger picture are worthless, but it keeps us all amused, and sane (or less insane), take your pick.     

The thing about the 3 day due diligence is that it highlights our (i.e.Moores and Parry's) reckless stupidity, not the Americans. As I understand it, the financial details pertaining to LFC were already detailed in the due diligence carried out by the work with DIC so H&G could quickly see what a) the figures were, and b) that the price was a complete bargain in leverage terms, evidence of which can be seen through the fact that DIC were clearly interested pre-Sheikh when the price was a lot higher than that, and considering they would've brought the club to make money too, that says something about the original price on offer.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on October 29, 2008, 05:51:59 PM

Also on another note...Why is it that we cannot afford a New stadium and yet one of our Owners has the money to put down on another Club???

He'll probably "buy" it with another loan which he can actually get finance for!
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on October 29, 2008, 06:09:38 PM
leverage
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on October 29, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
As I understand it, the financial details pertaining to LFC were already detailed in the due diligence carried out by the work with DIC so H&G could quickly see what a) the figures were,

Martin, would the toxic twins have had access to whatever constitues the DD done by DIC?
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Kenny on October 30, 2008, 07:38:20 PM
Tes,

I have no problem with ITK, and if I doubt their info I will keep that to myself but SL is the one that I doubt. He is inconsistent with his info, if one of our players were like that he to would get slagged off. The way posters plead for info off him on RAWK is quiet funny but to be honest I doubt even G&H know how this will end. But enough of SL. As for the original thread by Skippy, well to be honest I don't think that's likely now unless G&H back down with their asking price. Hopes were raised with the Man City sale and with ITK suggesting Hicks is ready to sell. But that's been denied(again). My fear is Gillett is going to sell to Hicks but his current public showing is trying to tell people he and Hicks are good guys, its like the USA elections with Gillett at the mo. Putting spin on everything. How this will end Ive no idea.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: martin on October 30, 2008, 11:48:37 PM
Martin, would the toxic twins have had access to whatever constitues the DD done by DIC?

G&H were given detailed analysis already prepared in whatever format a due diligence is done, regarding LFC's finances and they would've known about the new stadium, which is part of that anyway. So they quickly saw what the situation was. They would'nt have been given any financial specifics about DIC's plans going forward but would've known their offer, obviously.

We shouldn't forget also that Gillett was interested before he came back the 2nd time, although as it relates to your question, i'm not sure whether that menas he would've known financial details at the 1st time of enquiring or not, just that it could be that they did.

Of the may things I hold against them, this is one that I don't agree on, i.e. they didn't know financially what they were getting themselves into, they did.

Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on November 11, 2008, 08:32:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/e/everton/7723104.stm


Crisis threat for Merseyside duo
Bill Kenwright & Tom Hicks and George Gillett face an uncertain future

Keith Harris, chairman of investment bank Seymour Pierce, believes Liverpool and Everton face an uncertain future in the current global financial crisis.

Harris believes Liverpool co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett will face serious problems if they cannot pay back their £350m debt by January 2009.

And he has revealed Everton are no closer to being bought out, despite a lengthy search for new investors.

"It has never been more difficult to find buyers," he said.

Toffees chairman Bill Kenwright indicated he is willing to sell the club as far back as August and has asked Harris to help conduct the search.

But Harris said: "There has been no progress at all (with finding a buyer for Everton).

"It's no longer a question of price negotiation, it's should we? People are wondering if now is the time to spend.

"The demographics of Liverpool as an area are not hugely compelling."

And Harris insists the future may be just as bleak for Everton's Merseyside rivals Liverpool.

"Liverpool's debt is due in January, with maybe a six-month extension," he said.

"The two banks which are the principal lenders, Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia, are two of those that have suffered.

"Whether they want to lend it again or not, they may not be able to."

Harris, who was addressing a meeting of football financiers in Zurich, has masterminded deals at Chelsea, Aston Villa, Hull, West Ham, Manchester City, and has been charged with organising Mike Ashley's sale of Newcastle United.


Contrary to the report above surely if the Americans were to sell Liverpool for a realistic price there would be alot of interest in the club. Keith Harris questions "demographics of Liverpool as an area" but if the Abu Dhabi group are willing to invest in Man City surely thats enough of an indicator that the Liverpool area could attract the same sort of investment even in the current global financial downturn. The prestige and history of the club alone would be enough to stir interest. I find it a strange that Keith Harris would include Liverpool in the same context as Everton who would clearly not be as favorable of an investment and also the fact that Sheik Mohammed had previously noted a firm interest to buy the club.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: the dude abides on November 11, 2008, 09:10:53 PM
Contrary to the report above surely if the Americans were to sell Liverpool for a realistic price there would be alot of interest in the club. Keith Harris questions "demographics of Liverpool as an area" but if the Abu Dhabi group are willing to invest in Man City surely thats enough of an indicator that the Liverpool area could attract the same sort of investment even in the current global financial downturn. The prestige and history of the club alone would be enough to stir interest. I find it a strange that Keith Harris would include Liverpool in the same context as Everton who would clearly not be as favorable of an investment and also the fact that Sheik Mohammed had previously noted a firm interest to buy the club.

we struggled for a number of years, to find investors, and that was at Moore's asking price of some 170 odd million.

Now some 2 years later, in the middle of an awful meltdown in the world's financial markets, we can't expect to find much (if any) interest at a supposed asking price of 600 million quid.

Premiership clubs are *trophies*.....they have to be viewed, in the future, as the play-things of the ultra wealthy...and can be used merely for promotional issues re their owner's *other* products/services.

I think big business has finally caught on, that football is not a great place to invest your money.  There are far better investment alternatives.

Keith Harris's quotes are very insightful.  Finding a buyer these times is close to impossible.

The great worry is that with so much debt, we do a Leeds.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Tes on November 11, 2008, 09:53:56 PM
Contrary to the report above surely if the Americans were to sell Liverpool for a realistic price there would be alot of interest in the club.

There is the problem. Man City were sold for £200M, with no new stadium to fund. The new owners could pay up the lease for a fraction of the cost of building a new stadium and then go down the Chelsea route to make City a big club (by today's Sky-hype definition).

£500-600M is too much for anyone to simply spend to buy the club. Even with a new corporately orientated stadium with the club correctly funding the debt to build it, it would take forever to then pay back the purchase outlay through a dividend, never mind see an actual profit on the initial outlay. Demographically, Liverpool is no London. You can't raise ticket prices and still keep a traditional support. Mass marketing of merchandise would still only bring in a relatively small increase in turnover and the profit increase would still be small. The two main incomes come from match days and TV rights. Will TV rights and maybe internet rights stay at the equivalent current levels? It's probably doubtful.
Title: Re: Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum will be buying Liverpool FC!!!!!!!
Post by: Juan on November 11, 2008, 10:12:01 PM
The Times take on it:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5134437.ece

Fears over fire sale of Liverpool's top players
James Ducker

One of English football’s most influential powerbrokers has expressed grave concerns for the future of Liverpool under the ownership of George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks. Keith Harris, the chairman of Seymour Pierce, the investment bank, and the man responsible for brokering some of the biggest takeovers of Barclays Premier League clubs, including the sale of Chelsea to Roman Abramovich in 2003, believes that the Americans could be forced to sell leading players if they are unable to pay off the club’s £350 million debt.

Although Hicks and Gillett have an option to extend the January 25 deadline for repaying the loan by six months, it is far from guaranteed that an extension will be granted, with their main lenders, Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) and Wachovia, being two of the banks worst hit by the global economic crisis.

Hicks and Gillett are confident that an extension will be granted, but, with the Government holding a 60 per cent stake in RBS after the £20 billion bailout, MPs have lobbied Gordon Brown to prevent the bank from giving the Americans extra time to repay the loan when many believe that they are not in a position, financially, to do that, let alone fund a new 60,000-seat stadium.

“The one that worries me is Liverpool,” said Harris, the former chairman of the Football League, who has been asked to find buyers for Everton and Newcastle United. “Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia are two of those that have suffered. Whether they want to lend it [the money] again or not, they may not be able to.” A £500 million offer to buy the club, from Sheikh Mohammed , the ruler of Dubai, remains on the table, although Harris believes the club’s hand could be forced if a buyer cannot be found.
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The Times revealed in April how Liverpool may have to sell Fernando Torres and Ryan Babel unless they repay by next summer the £31.5 million borrowed to sign the Spain and Holland forwards.

Harris, who was in Zurich yesterday to address football financiers at the International Football Arena conference, said: “If the banks won’t finance, you have to raise equity. If they can’t find it, it’s a brave banker that would repossess Liverpool Football Club.”

Harris added that he was struggling to find a credible buyer for Everton in the face of a sharp economic downturn. Everton are also hopeful of building a new stadium, but Harris hinted that it would make far better sense financially for the Merseyside clubs to groundshare, a move that has been steadfastly opposed by the clubs and their supporters.

“There is no progress at all [on Everton],” Harris said. “The demographics of Liverpool as an area are not hugely compelling. It is not a very wealthy city and Everton share the city with another club which has been in the vanguard for the last decade. They both have a stadium to build, so the economics need a lot of looking at, whereas Newcastle is a one-club city with a fabulous stadium.”

Torres is expected to be included in Liverpool’s squad for their Carling Cup fourth-round tie at White Hart Lane this evening. However, Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham Hotspur manager, expects to play several fringe players, including Fraizer Campbell, the forward, who came on as a substitute during the 4-0 victory against Dynamo Zagreb in the Uefa Cup group match last week.

Paul Stalteri, Adel Taarabt, Kevin-Prince Boateng and Hossam Ghaly may also play, but Benoît Assou-Ekotto, the left back, is suspended, and Ledley King is expected to be rested. “I’m going to make one or two changes to give the lads who haven’t played an opportunity,” Redknapp said. Giovani dos Santos does not need surgery on a ankle problem, but the winger will be out for up to four weeks.