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Title: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 03, 2012, 12:20:13 AM
Yes folks, it's that time already, apparently:

Liverpool eye summer move for Udinese's £12m-rated Chile midfielder Isla

2nd February 2012


Udinese's Mauricio Isla has emerged as a summer target for Liverpool, who are ready to offer around £12million for the 23-year-old Chile midfielder.

Roma are also keen on the versatile South American, who started all of his country's games in the 2010 World Cup.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095677/Liverpool-eye-summer-Udineses-12m-rated-Chile-midfielder-Isla.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095677/Liverpool-eye-summer-Udineses-12m-rated-Chile-midfielder-Isla.html)

Look in the comments lower down the page. I hope our scouts take note.   :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 03, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
Russian giants Zenit to make big money bid for United target Shaqiri

3rd February 2012


Manchester United target Xherdan Shaqiri remains a target for Zenit St Petersburg, and the Russians are ready to make a big money bid.

The highly rated Basle youngster has been linked with a number of clubs around Europe, with United reportedly weighing up a summer bid.

But the Russian transfer window is still open, and Zenit are set to tempt the 20-year-old with a bid of around £10million, according to reports.

Shaqiri impressed Sir Alex Ferguson, when Basle beat United in December to knock the Reds out of the Champions League.
And United's great rivals Liverpool have also been keeping tabs on the player.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095822/Manchester-United-target-Xherdan-Shaqiri-wanted-Zenit.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095822/Manchester-United-target-Xherdan-Shaqiri-wanted-Zenit.html)

This is something that UEFA need to sort out. All the transfers windows throughout Europe should be synchronised so that no team has an advantage. Where is the FA in this? Why aren't they working to sort it and in the meantime, allow our window to remain open.
I realise the Russian season runs differently to the rest of Europe because of their extreme weather conditions.

I hope the fact that we weren't in for him in this window means we don't lose out to the Russians. This is the sort of player we should have been targetting with the Downing money. Not seen the Mancs linked with him seriously yet, but then again it is the Mail.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on February 03, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
Shaqiri seems to have been linked with United on a number of occasions but to be honest I think if they wanted him they would have bought him by now. They saw him first hand against Basle. I havent seen enough of the guy to know if he justifies all the praise.

As for the other transfer Isla, ive never heard of him before this window. His name doesnt inspire but thats not to say hes not doing the business in Italy.

We've gone down the buying English/British/PL players route. Next summer Id love to see us not buying potential or a player because of his nationality but back to buying young players who are performing now. Not exactly the established 40 million pound players but the players who are almost there. Like 25 million for Silva was a steal as was 22 million for Suarez. Hazard seems to be the one creating all the headlines now. Personally I like to see us go for Eriksen from Ajax. Hes another with a huge future.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 03, 2012, 06:18:39 PM
we've never replaced Didi properly (the Argie lad didn't hang around)

if we hope to join the big boys at the top table, we need someone to sit in front of the back four and mop up.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 03, 2012, 08:11:57 PM
Hazard seems to be the one creating all the headlines now. Personally I like to see us go for Eriksen from Ajax. Hes another with a huge future.

Eriken's a good shout. Hazard I think will end up being very expensive. We're probably two seasons too late with him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on February 05, 2012, 05:14:54 PM
Van Persies contract is up in 2013.

If we were to get CL football at the expense of Arsenal and Chelsea why not bid. Arsenal could be forced to take 35 million or risk losing him for nothing.

Reina contemplated going to Arsenal at one point so why not VP here. If Real or Barca weren't interested we could possibly stand a chance.

Lots of ifs and buts ,I just hope Comolli keeps tabs on situations like this one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 05, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
Would FSG sanction a bid of that size for a 28 y.o?

It would be nice as you can see him as a Bergkamp / Sheringham type player that wouldn't need to rely on pace as he got older. He seems to have got over his injury problems this season also.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on February 08, 2012, 05:09:55 PM
Would FSG sanction a bid of that size for a 28 y.o?

It would be nice as you can see him as a Bergkamp / Sheringham type player that wouldn't need to rely on pace as he got older. He seems to have got over his injury problems this season also.

True Tes you forget that Van Persie is 28. In which case you couldnt see him coming within our transfer policy requirements.

I know this is a bit of an understatement but we could really do with finding a goalscorer. Is Cavani the real deal? We need someone relatively young who can forge a partnership with Suarez.

Have Newcastle signed another gem in Cisse? Great debut goal at the weekend.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 08, 2012, 07:10:05 PM
True Tes you forget that Van Persie is 28. In which case you couldnt see him coming within our transfer policy requirements.

I know this is a bit of an understatement but we could really do with finding a goalscorer. Is Cavani the real deal? We need someone relatively young who can forge a partnership with Suarez.

Have Newcastle signed another gem in Cisse? Great debut goal at the weekend.

Cisse has a decent record in the Bundesliga and we were rumoured to have an interest in him during Rafa's last season, I think it was.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 08, 2012, 07:17:46 PM
True Tes you forget that Van Persie is 28. In which case you couldnt see him coming within our transfer policy requirements.

I remember Evans wanted Sheringham when he was at Spurs but the board wouldn't sanction it. He didn't do too badly at the Mancs when he did move later.

I think this age limit should only really be a guideline. Sometimes an experienced player, even over a short term, can prove to be a clever acquisition and exactly what is required. Would we have done the treble of cups under Houllier without that old Scottish bloke we got from the knackers yard 11 at Coventry.

Van Persie could be a very cute piece of business as he has the ability to adapt his game if age interferes with his present way of playing. There must be a reason Taggart brought Scholes back. He's definately not eye candy on the club calender and team posters.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 16, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
Paris St-Germain inquire about availability of Liverpool's Luis Suárez

Andy Hunter  Thursday 16 February 2012


Paris St-Germain have inquired about Luis Suárez's potential availability at Liverpool and been told the Anfield club have no desire to sell the controversial striker at the end of the season.

The Uruguay international was accused of misleading Liverpool over his intention to shake Patrice Evra's hand at Old Trafford by the club's managing director, Ian Ayre, and Kenny Dalglish has left the striker in no doubt he feels badly let down by Suárez's behaviour on Saturday. The Liverpool manager is anxious for the 25-year-old to concentrate on the club's pursuit of Champions League qualification, the FA Cup and Carling Cup for the remainder of the season but, despite the problems, has no intention of selling his finest forward.

PSG, backed by a Qatari investment fund and in the market for a high-profile striker having failed to attract Carlos Tevez to France in January, are the first club to register an interest in Suárez following Saturday's episode and Sunday's apologies. According to L'Equipe, PSG officials made their interest known to Suárez's representatives and have the funds to test his club's resolve in the summer.

Liverpool, however, see Suárez's future on Merseyside and, while reluctant to make any further comment on the £22.8m signing from Ajax in the hope of moving on from the sorry affair, Dalglish has insisted the striker's position at the club is not an issue. The Liverpool manager said on Thursday: "I can only reiterate, we have drawn a line under what happened and we just want Luis to concentrate on his football now."

Following his own apology and dressing-down by Liverpool last Sunday, Suárez has trained as normal this week and is expected to feature in Sunday's FA Cup fifth-round tie against Brighton & Hove Albion at Anfield.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/16/paris-st-germain-luis-suarez (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/16/paris-st-germain-luis-suarez)

This is the first of many we're likely to see between now and the end of the Summer window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 17, 2012, 01:00:02 AM
I remember Evans wanted Sheringham when he was at Spurs but the board wouldn't sanction it. He didn't do too badly at the Mancs when he did move later.

I always wanted Teddy at Anfield.  I was gutted when he went to Utd.

Superb technical player, superb footballing brain. 

As for Van Persie.  I was always a massive fan when he was a young emerging talent.  And I thought he was going to be another Bergkamp.  But no, he never progressed the way I thought he would. 

For me, as it turned out, he just never had the consistency needed.    imho

It's hard to imagine how he would look in a non-Wenger team.  But I would have serious reservations about acquiring him. 

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2012, 10:03:58 AM
I always wanted Teddy at Anfield.  I was gutted when he went to Utd.

Superb technical player, superb footballing brain. 

As for Van Persie.  I was always a massive fan when he was a young emerging talent.  And I thought he was going to be another Bergkamp.  But no, he never progressed the way I thought he would. 

For me, as it turned out, he just never had the consistency needed.    imho

It's hard to imagine how he would look in a non-Wenger team.  But I would have serious reservations about acquiring him.

Injuries have been his problem over the last few years. I think he's nearer Van Basten than Bergkamp, but he's the kind of player that if he were to lose his pace would still be great as the first yard is in his head and pace isn't required to be clinical in front of goal, is it Mr Fowler.

Dude, we could put togther a team with manager of players we would have liked to have seen the club.  :D

Talking of which, imagine Sheringham playing off Fowler in the Evans team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 17, 2012, 04:09:50 PM
Injuries have been his problem over the last few years. I think he's nearer Van Basten than Bergkamp, but he's the kind of player that if he were to lose his pace would still be great as the first yard is in his head and pace isn't required to be clinical in front of goal, is it Mr Fowler.

Dude, we could put togther a team with manager of players we would have liked to have seen the club.  :D

Talking of which, imagine Sheringham playing off Fowler in the Evans team.

we sure could put together a team, Tes!  Would be fascinating.  Managêd by the late great Sir Bobby.

I'll start with the strikeforce.  I always craved Sheringham and Shearer.  They were both made for Liverpool.  Our domination of the game would never have ended, with that pair leading the line.

Yes, like you say, imagine Teddy playing off Fowler.  The mind boggles.    Teddy was one of Britain's finest ever players of the last generation.  He never ever got the recognition that he deserved. 

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2012, 05:32:11 PM
Teddy was one of Britain's finest ever players of the last generation.  He never ever got the recognition that he deserved.

Exactly. Scored goals, created goals, good in the air. Saw and executed passes most players couldn't. How good would he have been if he'd had pace aswell?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 17, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Exactly. Scored goals, created goals, good in the air. Saw and executed passes most players couldn't. How good would he have been if he'd had pace aswell?

exactly.

he was the english version of Klinsman.

Indeed, I often thought that he was very German-like in his technical efficiency and intelligence.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2012, 06:27:50 PM
exactly.

he was the english version of Klinsman.

Indeed, I often thought that he was very German-like in his technical efficiency and intelligence.

Herr Sherriburger
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 17, 2012, 06:45:52 PM
Herr Sherriburger

sounds like something Gascoigne would have said to his ex wife.

 :P
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 17, 2012, 06:52:30 PM
sounds like something Gascoigne would have said to his ex wife.

 :P

Or eaten.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 17, 2012, 08:08:38 PM
Gazza was another superbly gifted lad.

I wonder what Fergie would have made of him at Utd, had he managed to acquire him (he was very close to)


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 18, 2012, 01:47:02 PM
Gazza was another superbly gifted lad.

I wonder what Fergie would have made of him at Utd, had he managed to acquire him (he was very close to)

He needed a father figure and someone to get him to see his 'friends' were poison. This is one of the differences that money has made, and not for the better.
In ye olde days, players would board with certain households chosen by the club and were given a stable off field enviroment. Now they don't need board and lodgings but for many they lack that guidence and it's even more vital now when very young lads are financially empowered in the way they are.

Again, I think we as a club need to look at our wage structure. The first contract, be it for 3, 4 or 5 years should be made up of a low basic but with huge  bonuses and incentives, not a particularly high appearance bonus, but goal, assist, chance creation, clean sheet bonus etc and large bonuses for trophy success, so that large earnings are exactly that, earned, not granted. The second contract could then be more like they are at the moment with larger basics as that second contract again would have been earned.   

We need to create the 'hunger' within our players that we used to have and Taggart has instilled. Each trophy increases the appetite and desire rather than sates it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on March 02, 2012, 11:24:27 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1029550/liverpool's-damian-comolli-cools-talk-of-major-summer-signings?cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1029550/liverpool's-damian-comolli-cools-talk-of-major-summer-signings?cc=5739)


Wow thanks for that revalation Comolli.  At least we know you n' Kenny won't be pi$$ing more money down the $hit hole then.

Could someone enlighten me, has a premier league club spent so much as LFC did last year and actually have a poorer squad?

This is not the thread, but having watched CC final on Sunday I am on the brink of not watching LFC and football altogether.  My passion is quickly being eroded away by our consistently inept and tactless performances.  Sunday was pure luck!  Cardiff should have won, and before anyone accuses me of not having faith or not being a true supporter can I say bleep bleep bleep off!   :P
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on March 02, 2012, 02:20:32 PM
Agreed Gurdeep,
Be afraid, very afraid...
Kuyt and maxi off in the summer through disillusionment, the english buys next season prove to be er...english and thus ok but never world beaters, we get a 40 mil bid from Real/barca for Suarez on the last day of the transfer season and comolli won't splash the cash...
10th at best...
Full speed ahead! I see no icebergs! What...what's that in the mist? Ack! Oh no....Aieeeeee...glug glug glug...

P.s if us lot can see it i find it deeply worrying that the power that be at LFC can not...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 02, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
Could someone enlighten me, has a premier league club spent so much as LFC did last year and actually have a poorer squad?

This is not the thread, but having watched CC final on Sunday I am on the brink of not watching LFC and football altogether.  My passion is quickly being eroded away by our consistently inept and tactless performances. 

I know exactly where you are coming from, Gurdeep.

After being with Sky from the late 80s, I gave up in 2005.....cancelled my subscription (totally fed up with the cost of the packages and the ridiculous wages that footballers were getting).

and now I am abroad.  I was gonna cancel my package here last summer (a lot cheaper and covers far more national leagues live).  But I reckoned I would spend 500 dollars anc cover this season.  But now that deal is almost up.....and I cannot see myself subscribing again.

Instead, I will just go back to what I did in the 70s and 80s......merely watch Match of the Day.  I can download it a day later via torrent.

My love of the game has been constantly eroded over the years.

And re Liverpool, I am so frustrated that we have melons like Dalglish and Comolli at the top of the club. 

I cringe at times when I see the lack of tactics and the ill-balanced team. 

And as you say, what other team spends 112 million in one season and actually goes backwards.

The return of Dalglish is starting to remind me of Man City in the 70s.

Tony Book's five year reign from 1949 to 1979, not unlike Rafa's, was one of successfully stabilising the club and bringing some success.

BUT then in 1979, Malcolm Allison returned to manage the club for a second time and threw away vast amounts of money that summer, on pure dross.....and the club went backwards.

He squandered large sums of money on unsuccessful signings (like Steve Daley, who he paid a British record fee for) whilst selling stars such as Asa Hartford, Gary Owen and Peter Barnes.

And after a very poor start to the season, Allison was sacked in late 1980.

The poor appointment was the start of a decline that saw them relegated 3 or 4 years later.

But back to Liverpool........Dalglish is bringing in mid-table level players, and throwing out top top players (like Moreless, Kuyt, Maxi).  I see a lot of similarities with that and what Allison did at City in 1979.  Absolute madness.

Dalglish is a sorta Allison/Souness type.     

Heck, nevermind being a tripe boneheaded manager, with not one ounce of tactical acumen in his body,  I'd sack Kenny merely for the disgraceful way he has treated Dirk Kuyt.

The further away this melon in the dugout gets from Rafa's team, the further away we will be from the top of the league.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 02, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
Agreed Gurdeep,
Be afraid, very afraid...
Kuyt and maxi off in the summer through disillusionment, the english buys next season prove to be er...english and thus ok but never world beaters, we get a 40 mil bid from Real/barca for Suarez on the last day of the transfer season and comolli won't splash the cash...
10th at best...
Full speed ahead! I see no icebergs! What...what's that in the mist? Ack! Oh no....Aieeeeee...glug glug glug...

P.s if us lot can see it i find it deeply worrying that the power that be at LFC can not...

we badly need a Parry, Dein, or some top football executive, barticus.

Our american based owners are getting no real guidance, I imagine, from any one with an ounce of footballing sense in Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 02, 2012, 05:43:53 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1029550/liverpool's-damian-comolli-cools-talk-of-major-summer-signings?cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1029550/liverpool's-damian-comolli-cools-talk-of-major-summer-signings?cc=5739)


Wow thanks for that revalation Comolli.  At least we know you n' Kenny won't be pi$$ing more money down the $hit hole then.

Could someone enlighten me, has a premier league club spent so much as LFC did last year and actually have a poorer squad?

This is not the thread, but having watched CC final on Sunday I am on the brink of not watching LFC and football altogether.  My passion is quickly being eroded away by our consistently inept and tactless performances.  Sunday was pure luck!  Cardiff should have won, and before anyone accuses me of not having faith or not being a true supporter can I say bleep bleep bleep off!   :P

Hopefully it's just Comolli playing things down but you do worry what is happening is what we said would happen and that is that the money spent last Summer was the punt at getting CL football, and if we miss it and without it, we'll have little to spend other than what we make ourselves in sales.

Obviously UEFA's FFP rules are upon us with the time fast approaching where the year's losses start to be included in the preliminary 3 year lead up.

We have to hope we undercover some low cost stars in the making.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 02, 2012, 06:20:40 PM
Reds target ‘new Xabi Alonso’

Liverpool are keeping a watchful eye over Real Sociedad midfielder Inigo Martinez, with the 20-year-old being dubbed the ‘next Xabi Alonso’.

The 20-year-old has put in a series of impressive performances for the La Liga outfit after making his debut at the beginning of the campaign.

Martinez is now considered a mainstay in the starting XI having made 19 league appearances, scoring three, and has broken into the Spain U-21 squad.

His displays haven’t gone un-noticed and now Kenny Dalglish is keen to add the younger defensive midfielder to his ranks as he plans to go strengthen over the summer.

The Reds have been linked with a move to a host of tough tackling midfielders from Spain, with the club being linked with Barcelona’s Seydou Keita and Javi Martinez of Athletic Bilbao over the past week.

However, the Carling Cup holders now appear to have switched their attention to Martinez and could take him to Anfield for as little as £3m.


http://www.footballfriendsonline.com/gossip/2012/3/2/reds-target-new-xabi-alonso.html (http://www.footballfriendsonline.com/gossip/2012/3/2/reds-target-new-xabi-alonso.html)

Ignore the title as it's just plain daft, but these are the sorts of players we should be looking at. Players who are starting to make major ripples. Let's not wait until they make major waves as they then become too expensive.
Rafa looked at Hazard and Javi Martinez but the cash wasn't there and now they are out of our price bracket.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 03, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
I wonder if we're seeing a tightening of the purse strings. The first two windows saw a lot of money spent, with little value and pretty much no improvement gained.

If FSG have doubts about Dalglish and or Comolli's eye for a player and value attributed to, what they can't afford to do is simply withhold funding. Standing still with player additions will see us go backwards and CL football will become increasingly difficult if not impossible.

I do think we should be seeing more from this squad of players. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 06, 2012, 12:36:53 AM
Liverpool target Barcelona starlet

Liverpool are interested in Barcelona’s emerging 20-year-old forward Cristian Tello.

The Spain Under 20-s striker is out of contract at the end of the season and is being tracked by a number of clubs including Benfica, Valencia and Malaga.

Barca boss Pep Guardiola is keen to keep Tello, and has promoted him from the Barcelona B team this year.

The young forward has already featured for the first team and scored on his first La Liga start last month, but Liverpool are now keen on bringing him to Anfield.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-express-interest-in-Barcelona-Cristian-Tello-article873393.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-express-interest-in-Barcelona-Cristian-Tello-article873393.html)

4 goals in 8 games for Barca and available on a free. This is exactly the sort of 'risk' we should be taking.

We need to be smarter with our scouting and find the next Xavi Martinez, Eden Hazard or Christian Eriksen, and take more of a chance on low cost players who have obvious talent, as all these did as soon as they broke into their respective teams, instead of waiting two or three seasons when they then become beyond our budget.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 06, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
Liverpool target Barcelona starlet

Liverpool are interested in Barcelona’s emerging 20-year-old forward Cristian Tello.

The Spain Under 20-s striker is out of contract at the end of the season and is being tracked by a number of clubs including Benfica, Valencia and Malaga.

Barca boss Pep Guardiola is keen to keep Tello, and has promoted him from the Barcelona B team this year.

The young forward has already featured for the first team and scored on his first La Liga start last month, but Liverpool are now keen on bringing him to Anfield.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-express-interest-in-Barcelona-Cristian-Tello-article873393.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-express-interest-in-Barcelona-Cristian-Tello-article873393.html)

4 goals in 8 games for Barca and available on a free. This is exactly the sort of 'risk' we should be taking.

We need to be smarter with our scouting and find the next Xavi Martinez, Eden Hazard or Christian Eriksen, and take more of a chance on low cost players who have obvious talent, as all these did as soon as they broke into their respective teams, instead of waiting two or three seasons when they then become beyond our budget.

exactly.

that's common sense.

It'll never catch on though with our two top men, Penny & Como.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 11, 2012, 02:21:24 PM
Whether its Kenny in charge of the summer transfer budget, another manger or whether Comolli is doing the buying its about time we start buying players that are better than we've already got.

Ive defended Henderson, Downing, Carroll and even Adam at different points of the season but there are arguments to suggest all 4 players havent made the jump necessary to make it at a top club. Id still argue Henderson is a work in progress and one for the future but hes not justifying that 16 million price tag yet.

So when it comes to the summer window and every other window after I think we have to invest in proven talent. Even if its a case of spending our transfer budget on 1 or two top quality players each window and it taking 8 transfer windows for us to build a competitive team Id sooner do so than continue to go about our transfer business the way we are. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 11, 2012, 11:31:13 PM
Whether its Kenny in charge of the summer transfer budget, another manger or whether Comolli is doing the buying its about time we start buying players that are better than we've already got.

Ive defended Henderson, Downing, Carroll and even Adam at different points of the season but there are arguments to suggest all 4 players havent made the jump necessary to make it at a top club. Id still argue Henderson is a work in progress and one for the future but hes not justifying that 16 million price tag yet.

So when it comes to the summer window and every other window after I think we have to invest in proven talent. Even if its a case of spending our transfer budget on 1 or two top quality players each window and it taking 8 transfer windows for us to build a competitive team Id sooner do so than continue to go about our transfer business the way we are.

Juan, you make two excellent and common sense points. Buy better than you already have and it's much better to only buy two players that have an improving effect on the team than four that don't.

There's so much wrong about our transfers in the last two active windows, that it's worrying that if the errors weren't seen before they were made then, how can we be confident the same won't happen again.

Some fans say 'Kenny will put it right' but why should he have to. If he'd have got it right previously there'd be no need to, and as he didn't get it then how can they be confident he'll get it right this Summer.
Commolli has said that the manager has the final say so we can only suppose that he was quite happy for the proposed targets to become actual signings. If he had the power of veto and didn't use it then the blame has to be laid at his feet. I also imagine he could have vetoed the proposed prices to be paid. Afterall, it would have left him potentially less out of any form of transfer budget there was.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 12, 2012, 12:28:33 AM
Juan, you make two excellent and common sense points. Buy better than you already have and it's much better to only buy two players that have an improving effect on the team than four that don't.

There's so much wrong about our transfers in the last two active windows, that it's worrying that if the errors weren't seen before they were made then, how can we be confident the same won't happen again.

Some fans say 'Kenny will put it right' but why should he have to. If he'd have got it right previously there'd be no need to, and as he didn't get it then how can they be confident he'll get it right this Summer.
Commolli has said that the manager has the final say so we can only suppose that he was quite happy for the proposed targets to become actual signings. If he had the power of veto and didn't use it then the blame has to be laid at his feet. I also imagine he could have vetoed the proposed prices to be paid. Afterall, it would have left him potentially less out of any form of transfer budget there was.

Its disappointing that players arent working out. Adam at 6 million isnt such a bad buy but Downing and Carroll really need to look themselves in the mirror because they really have let this team down.

Yeah questions need to be asked about who has control over transfers and what has gone wrong. Being able to sign good free transfers like Bellamy is one thing but its imperative whoever has control over transfers has the ability to spend big money wisely. Thats not been done up to now so Henry Comolli and Kenny need to sit down and trash out why.

To be honest I was a little relieved not to see any panic buys in January but after Carroll last january I suspected we wouldnt sign anyone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 12, 2012, 01:22:15 PM
Its disappointing that players arent working out. Adam at 6 million isnt such a bad buy but Downing and Carroll really need to look themselves in the mirror because they really have let this team down.

Yeah questions need to be asked about who has control over transfers and what has gone wrong. Being able to sign good free transfers like Bellamy is one thing but its imperative whoever has control over transfers has the ability to spend big money wisely. Thats not been done up to now so Henry Comolli and Kenny need to sit down and trash out why.

To be honest I was a little relieved not to see any panic buys in January but after Carroll last january I suspected we wouldnt sign anyone.

If we look at the purchases in terms of ability, performance and suitability, ignoring the fees, we need to ask just one question - have they been and are they exactly what we need. The fees only make the answer seem better or worse.

If we'd spent £3m-£5M on 'one for the future' in Henderson, then 'maybe' but only 'maybe' does it not seem as bad, but I would still say we were not in a position where we could afford (in terms of positions requiring filling) to be buying 'for the future'. Our immediate aim was to be building a team and squad to 'challenge' this season for a top four place. So the aim should have been players who can make an impact now and into the future, maybe in the age range of 23-27, but if a player such as Bellamy etc is available you also look at that as you need experience as well as relative youth. Balance is the key word.
Henderson wasn't really having a huge impact on the Sunderland team and even less on the England U-21s, unlike Jones who was having a bigger impact on the Blackburn team and at under 21 level. But such a huge chunk of the available funds seems to me to be not the best use of those funds.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 12, 2012, 04:33:18 PM
Fergie's model is the one we should be following (the same model we used to use)

he always buys the players that we should be buying.

like Phil Jones is the one we should have been breaking the bank for last year (not friggen Andy Carroll).

and Fergie doesn't often go after a big name.  He prefers finding true quality - that will help him put his jigsaw together - e.g. vidic, carrick, hernandez, nani, etc.

And I note that in recent years, he has fallen in love with the Portuguese market. 

Whereas, our two Anfield Cowboys are lost unless they see the finished article, with primadonna ego and costing a fortune.....and long since past their sell-by-date. 

Our two best acquisitions last year were freebies, one was an easy talent to spot (Bellamy, who was near the end of his career); and the other I think our Director of Cowboys, found IIRC via a computer/database search.

Why we pay these two senior cowboys, I have no idea.  What they bring to the club, for their enormous salaries, I (again) am clueless.

Neither can they find any talent; nor use it (if they ever should find it).


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 14, 2012, 12:35:44 AM
Fergie's model is the one we should be following (the same model we used to use)

It's time we snatched our blueprint back from down the East Lancs Road.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 14, 2012, 12:44:17 AM
It's time we snatched our blueprint back from down the East Lancs Road.

very true.

BTW  It would not surprise me, if United snatched Rafa, either this summer or next.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 14, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
very true.

BTW  It would not surprise me, if United snatched Rafa, either this summer or next.

Dude, don't!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 14, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
I see Bayern Munich's Gomez scored 4 last night.

No doubt he will now be on the radar screens of our two cowboys.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 14, 2012, 10:42:22 PM
I see Bayern Munich's Gomez scored 4 last night.

No doubt he will now be on the radar screens of our two cowboys.

I think we missed the boat (again) on him a couple of seasons or so back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on March 16, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bfD0N?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=world-football

Cavani would be an excellent buy. We'd have to have the gift of the gab if he was to come to a team with no CL footie though...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 17, 2012, 12:08:40 PM
Cavani would be an excellent buy. We'd have to have the gift of the gab if he was to come to a team with no CL footie though...

He'd cost far too much and the salary we'd have to offer to compensate for a lack of CL would cripple us.

We need to find the 'next Cavani'. Our whole scouting department and the processess they employ are simply not working. Look at the quality and value the Geordies have unearthed. We are seriously hamstringing ourselves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 17, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
He'd cost far too much and the salary we'd have to offer to compensate for a lack of CL would cripple us.

We need to find the 'next Cavani'. Our whole scouting department and the processess they employ are simply not working. Look at the quality and value the Geordies have unearthed. We are seriously hamstringing ourselves.

The problem is Tes although we cant probably afford to buy the likes of Cavani we probably cant afford not to buy top quality players like that either.

If we dont get into that top 4 in the next few seasons we risk permanently chasing the likes of Sunderland for 6th.

There are huge calls to make this summer. We have to be a success in the market. Personally I would try to get 20 million for Carroll and add that to our transfer budget. There would be the temptation to do the same with the likes of Downing and a few others too. Robbie Fowler suggested in the last week if Suarez isnt happy sell. They are probably the big calls that face the management. I would hate to see Suarez go and im not suggesting thats what we do but I do understand where Robbies coming from.

And if we still cant afford the likes of Llorente Cavani etc attempt to buy the Eriksens of this world whos quality is undoubted but whose transfer fee hasnt hit the crazy heights yet. Just like Silva, City paid 25 million for him but within another season or so you would have been adding 10 million to his price.

If our scouting department played football manager for 5 minutes they would probably know more about than the talent out there than they seem to do now.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 18, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
The problem is Tes although we cant probably afford to buy the likes of Cavani we probably cant afford not to buy top quality players like that either.

If we dont get into that top 4 in the next few seasons we risk permanently chasing the likes of Sunderland for 6th.

There are huge calls to make this summer. We have to be a success in the market. Personally I would try to get 20 million for Carroll and add that to our transfer budget. There would be the temptation to do the same with the likes of Downing and a few others too. Robbie Fowler suggested in the last week if Suarez isnt happy sell. They are probably the big calls that face the management. I would hate to see Suarez go and im not suggesting thats what we do but I do understand where Robbies coming from.

And if we still cant afford the likes of Llorente Cavani etc attempt to buy the Eriksens of this world whos quality is undoubted but whose transfer fee hasnt hit the crazy heights yet. Just like Silva, City paid 25 million for him but within another season or so you would have been adding 10 million to his price.

If our scouting department played football manager for 5 minutes they would probably know more about than the talent out there than they seem to do now.

All that you say is so depressingly true, Juan. Carroll really is the cuckoo in the nest. We need to be scouting the German, Belgian, Dutch and even Danish leagues as there seems to be a wealth of technically excellent players coming from and playing in those leagues and we need to get in there before they become too big a talent for us to afford. Some low cost risk as opposed to obvious but average supposedly established players would be much smarter and players from these countries seem to have the mentality needed to deal with playing to the level and at the level we need them to. Let's see if Comolli can prove it was a mistake for Spurs, Arsenal and St Etienne to allow him to leave, and that their loss proves to be our gain.

It feels like we're always trying to undo past mistakes before we can think about taking a forward step. This Summer's business needs to yield a very high success rate otherwise top six will become the new 'title challenge' and when the Standard Chartered deal ends we'll be back to being earning peanuts from our main sponsor.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 18, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
It feels like we're always trying to undo past mistakes before we can think about taking a forward step. This Summer's business needs to yield a very high success rate otherwise top six will become the new 'title challenge' and when the Standard Chartered deal ends we'll be back to being earning peanuts from our main sponsor.

I wonder if Standard Chartered had their time back would they offer us such a huge deal. Does our support in the Far East mean we dont necessarily need to be challenging for the partnership to be a success. In fairness to Ayre some of the sponsorship deals he has pulled off on the business side of things are the footballing equivalent  as if the club had signed Messi.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 18, 2012, 08:31:40 PM
I wonder if Standard Chartered had their time back would they offer us such a huge deal. Does our support in the Far East mean we dont necessarily need to be challenging for the partnership to be a success. In fairness to Ayre some of the sponsorship deals he has pulled off on the business side of things are the footballing equivalent  as if the club had signed Messi.

Exactly. Ayre showed himself to be more than able in that position, which is where he should have stayed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 18, 2012, 08:47:35 PM
The Summer should see Charlie Adam sold and us buy Moussa Sissoko or the like. We seem to be doing better without him. Surprising? Hardly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 18, 2012, 11:11:12 PM
The Summer should see Charlie Adam sold and us buy Moussa Sissoko or the like. We seem to be doing better without him. Surprising? Hardly.

I wouldnt necessarily sell Adam but unless his consistency and form improved dramatically he would be sitting on the bench. He is only a squad player. I do agree we need someone else in the middle though. Havent seen enough of Sissoko to know how good he is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 18, 2012, 11:16:52 PM
I'm just not keen on squad players being brought in if avoidable. I'd prefer to them 'generated' via the first team (a position is improved so the previous first choice becomes the cover) and promotion from the youth team (hopefully to rise through the squad to become a first choice in their position).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 18, 2012, 11:48:27 PM
I'm just not keen on squad players being brought in if avoidable. I'd prefer to them 'generated' via the first team (a position is improved so the previous first choice becomes the cover) and promotion from the youth team (hopefully to rise through the squad to become a first choice in their position).

Very good point Tes. Theres no reason Kenny shouldnt be using Shelvey and maybe one or two more of the younger players as squad players, thats a very good point you raise. If you need cover dont buy it promote it. I suppose that should tell you if your academy is working.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 23, 2012, 11:48:38 PM
Pure speculation but not the type of speculation that sets the pulses racing or makes you confident in the players Comollis tracking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2119569/Liverpool-consider-Udineses-Pablo-Armero.html

Liverpool target Armero after holding talks over £5.5m deal for Udinese man

Liverpool are considering a move for Udinese star Pablo Armero.

The Colombian's representatives were at QPR on Wednesday night to hold talks with senior figures at the Anfield club.

The 25-year-old is valued at around £5.5million and can play left midfield or left-back.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 24, 2012, 12:02:15 AM
Pure speculation but not the type of speculation that sets the pulses racing or makes you confident in the players Comollis tracking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2119569/Liverpool-consider-Udineses-Pablo-Armero.html

Liverpool target Armero after holding talks over £5.5m deal for Udinese man

Liverpool are considering a move for Udinese star Pablo Armero.

The Colombian's representatives were at QPR on Wednesday night to hold talks with senior figures at the Anfield club.

The 25-year-old is valued at around £5.5million and can play left midfield or left-back.

We need to be smarter than we have been. There are a lot of players that have been brought into the Premiership by the 'lesser' clubs and have been a huge success and gone on to command large fees off bigger clubs. We need to cut out the middleman and make them into the stars ourselves.

Left midfield - signals the dissatisfaction with Downing and left back - Enrique definately needs some competition to keep his performance levels up.
I'd prefer he was a right footed player as that whole side is up for grabs, even right back because of the injury-proneness of Kelly and Johnson.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 24, 2012, 12:17:17 AM
so we're interested in yet another south american.

is this all based around keeping suarez interested in staying at anfield.

there is absolutely no history of liverpool football club being built on a load of south americans. 

why the heck don;t we focus on bringing the best Germans here......I have always felt that Germans are the closest to the way we we played football during our glory days i.e. technically superb, with game-intelligence.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 24, 2012, 12:24:07 AM
so we're interested in yet another south american.

is this all based around keeping suarez interested in staying at anfield.

there is absolutely no history of liverpool football club being built on a load of south americans. 

why the heck don;t we focus on bringing the best Germans here......I have always felt that Germans are the closest to the way we we played football during our glory days i.e. technically superb, with game-intelligence.

The Germans, Dutch and Spanish are my personal favorite.

See Ozil was tweeting his support for LFC recently. Watch this space  ;)!

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 24, 2012, 12:28:10 AM
The Germans, Dutch and Spanish are my personal favorite.

See Ozil was tweeting his support for LFC recently. Watch this space  ;) !

yes, cannae beat germans, dutch and spanish (and danish too)

ozil looks interesting......wonder tho if he could cope with physical demands of premiership.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on March 24, 2012, 12:34:43 AM
yes, cannae beat germans, dutch and spanish (and danish too)

ozil looks interesting......wonder tho if he could cope with physical demands of premiership.

He would have to toughen up for the rigors of PL football but Id like to think he could cope.

Danish yes there have always been some very technically gifted Danes. The Laudrups and Molby were class acts. Id love to see us go for Eriksen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 24, 2012, 12:40:52 AM
Urika can come to (if she wears her black leather attire)!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on March 24, 2012, 12:54:56 AM
Urika can come to (if she wears her black leather attire)!!!

Is that the one when she dresses up as a three seater settee?


*I'll make no jokes about Archimedes
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on March 24, 2012, 01:02:43 AM
she used to come over to our region, on a regular basis, to present awards.

And wow, she knew how to dress up back then.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on April 01, 2012, 01:58:12 AM
We are being consistently linked to Tello, Martinez and now Adebeyor.

Before this season Id never have considered Adebeyor, I think the guys a mercenary. However the way I see it hes better than whats already here so Id probably be more open to the transfer after his season at Spurs.

Apparently United are also after Martinez so i think chances of securing his signature are slim but hes worth a try.

Tello is an interesting player. He looks like he will be a quality player in the next few years. Hes on a free at the end of the season.

All in all i reckon we could get the 3 players above for 40 million, 15 for Adebeyor, 25 for Martinez and Tello on a free. Sell some of the underachievers and I think we would be doing some very good summers business. And depending on who you sell there would possibly be enough cash for one or two more to come in.
Title: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on April 01, 2012, 08:36:11 AM
Juan, we will keep buying players and we will still be $h1t.   Why oh why can we not transition players from youth to 1st team?  Why has Sterling only been used once this season, the guy has pace none of which downing and Henderson posses. 

There's just so much wrong with our club the list is endless,

We're a club stuck in the past IMHO. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on April 01, 2012, 11:48:19 AM
Juan, we will keep buying players and we will still be $h1t.   Why oh why can we not transition players from youth to 1st team?  Why has Sterling only been used once this season, the guy has pace none of which downing and Henderson posses. 

There's just so much wrong with our club the list is endless,

We're a club stuck in the past IMHO.

I couldnt agree more Gurdeep with every point you make.

I dont understand the mentality towards some of the players under 20. Clearly age is some sort of barrier because I see no reason why Shelvey hasnt played more with the performances of the midfield this year.

And then as you say we have the likes of Sterling and a few more that could possibly help make a difference but they never get a sniff. Pacheco was the same.

Im just still surprised the likes of Sterling sign for us in the first place because our record of bringing through young talent we purchase into the academy is appalling.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 01, 2012, 12:20:13 PM
Sell some of the underachievers and I think we would be doing some very good summers business. And depending on who you sell there would possibly be enough cash for one or two more to come in.

If we sell last Summer's buys it will cost us as much if not more to pay up their contracts than what we will receive for them.

The Comolli / Dalglish experiment is proving far too expensive in more ways than one. And we still need more additions to strengthen (and empower with knowledge) the boardroom and executive positions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 01, 2012, 12:29:38 PM
If we sell last Summer's buys it will cost us as much if not more to pay up their contracts than what we will receive for them.

The Comolli / Dalglish experiment is proving far too expensive in more ways than one. And we still need more additions to strengthen (and empower with knowledge) the boardroom and executive positions.

yes, the experiment of appointing a false messiah, who had last managed some 12 years previously, when sacked after a disastrous 20 month rebuild of Newcastle, has been disastrous.

And not to forget the bizarre signing of a chief scout that arsenal or spurs did not want to retain.

How will our absentee owners ever get clued up.  Ayre, Kenny and the rest of the gang all believe in unity.  Thus the Melwood turkeys are never gonna vote for Christmas.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 01, 2012, 12:31:43 PM
Juan, we will keep buying players and we will still be $h1t.   Why oh why can we not transition players from youth to 1st team?  Why has Sterling only been used once this season, the guy has pace none of which downing and Henderson posses. 

There's just so much wrong with our club the list is endless,

We're a club stuck in the past IMHO.

absolutely, Gurdeep.

the appointment of Dalglish, on a permanent contract, was madness.

and he has weighted us down with 100 million quid of turkeys, that we can't offload.  (and don;t forget their salaries too)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 01, 2012, 12:36:10 PM
and he has weighted us down with 100 million quid of turkeys, that we can't offload.  (and don;t forget their salaries too)

It's their salaries that are the biggest obstacle to moving them on. Taking a loss on their purchase price is just a number on paper, however, settling their contracts if they don't ask to leave (and why would they) will cost real money, and lots of, impacting on our ability to purchase suitable replacements.

Didn't Kenny state last Spring he would be careful with FSG's money and use it as if it was his own? So now we know who runs the finances in the Dalglish household.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 01, 2012, 12:41:24 PM
Didn't Kenny state last Spring he would be careful with FSG's money and use it as if it was his own? So now we know who runs the finances in the Dalglish household.

 ;)

aye, who knows, maybe this is why kenny has had to return to management at this point late in his life.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 01, 2012, 01:06:46 PM
Police have launched a hosepipe amnesty for gardeners and are calling on gardeners to hand in their sprinklers ahead of a summer of drought, says the Independent on Sunday.

Quote A pilot scheme was being trialled yesterday in Kingston-upon-Thames. By midday a queue had already formed on the steps of the police station, as people prepared to hand over a variety of watering and sprinkling systems. Jo Cobley, 42, was waiting with her son Daniel, eight, and her 30m Maxi Pro Hozelock. "It seems a shame because I love my hose," she said, "but it makes sense to hand it in when you've got kids because they might play with it when you're not looking." In return, they were being given a free "I've piped down!" badge.

Just a few hours earlier at the nearby Addison Garden allotments, keen vegetable growers were giving their crops a last water before handing in their hoses. Joan McConn, 65, said she would do so reluctantly.

"They've said that anyone caught with a hose can be kicked off the allotments. There are a lot of snitches and giving it to the police means you can't be accused of anything."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 02, 2012, 12:58:52 AM
For a small country, surrounded by water, and not exactly known for it's pleasant year round sunny climate, the whole drought thing is another farce.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 02, 2012, 01:12:11 AM
have you handed in your hose yet, Tes?

I am unsure how long the amnesty goes on for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 02, 2012, 08:45:13 PM
have you handed in your hose yet, Tes?

I am unsure how long the amnesty goes on for.

I wouldn't trust them to give it me back. It would probably be lost along with my personl details.  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 02, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
I wouldn't trust them to give it me back. It would probably be lost along with my personl details.  :D

 :D

think of the wider community tho.    Decommissioning will help the community.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 04, 2012, 06:59:03 PM
That's one more we can cross off our wish list: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/324093/20120404/liverpool-transfer-striker-mario-gomez.htm (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/324093/20120404/liverpool-transfer-striker-mario-gomez.htm)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on April 04, 2012, 07:32:54 PM
We're a club stuck in the past IMHO. 
I agree, the arrival of City has barely being registered and what that means...
(We cling to mad notions like Stevie's gonna save us or is it Suarez now).
The entire squad is 1 man (Mondo Bizarro, imo). Imo, we need to transition
away from the Gerrard era (great memories), the Moores, Hicks & Gillett eras (cup
runs and scraping money together for transfers) & embrace FSG and what they offer.
Imo, the chance to start doing things the right and proper away consistently.

Maybe there have been mistakes and disappointment this season (as there was at
City originally) but it's not all doom and gloom. If we learn from our mistakes, I'm
sure we'll get it right in the end.

What I'd like is an honest assessment from Kenny of the season at the end of it. You know, include
the bad with the good.

There were positives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkvbU5x5yyM

There were negatives:

The Suarez affair - where it all went wrong, imo! (Sucked half a season's worth of energy out of the club,
not even the CC could compensate).


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 04, 2012, 08:27:26 PM
Maybe there have been mistakes and disappointment this season (as there was at
City originally) but it's not all doom and gloom. If we learn from our mistakes, I'm
sure we'll get it right in the end.

personally, I want the people who demanded the head of Rafa Benitez, to be given the birch, each and every day, for an eternity.

And if I ever want to hear from them again, in this lifetime, I will let them know, by pony express.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on April 04, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
What I'd like is an honest assessment from Kenny of the season at the end of it. You know, include
the bad with the good.

If he was unable to give an honest assessment after the NUFC game it's highly unlikely he will at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 05, 2012, 01:26:03 AM
If he was unable to give an honest assessment after the NUFC game it's highly unlikely he will at the end of the season.

I hope Henry et al are not quite as obliging as post match interviewers. He'll have to face up to things and admit his failings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on April 05, 2012, 12:04:55 PM
I see from todays papers Kuyt is being heavily linked with a move away from the club this summer. Hes been a top player for us and hes someone I wouldnt mind keeping around but I think lack of football may see him go.

Glen Johnson is also being linked with a 16.5 million pound move to Madrid. Hes performed very well at times for us on the back of a couple of poor seasons. With his injury proness and his dodgy defending thats a move out of the club Id probably be willing to let happen. Thats what Id call a sensible sale. Buy in a cheaper younger alternative to challenge Kelly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 05, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
sadly, I think there will be more major repercussions this summer.

with a muppet in the dugout, taking the club to these lows......we will most likely see the remaining technical players leave, e.g. Maxi and possibly Suarez.  Kuyt I think is nailed on to leave.  If I were Kuyt I would go.....given the awful way the lad has been treated.

And I would not be overly surprised to see one or two other departures, e.g. Reina and Johnston.

If you think things are bad now, wait til August to see the grim reality of 18 months of Dalglish in the dugout.

The top team that Benitez created, has been gutted.  The final elements will be gone in the summer. 

Welcome to the brave new world, that so many wished for.

What's that old saying.....  Be careful what you wish for....   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 05, 2012, 09:51:47 PM
I see from todays papers Kuyt is being heavily linked with a move away from the club this summer. Hes been a top player for us and hes someone I wouldnt mind keeping around but I think lack of football may see him go.

Glen Johnson is also being linked with a 16.5 million pound move to Madrid. Hes performed very well at times for us on the back of a couple of poor seasons. With his injury proness and his dodgy defending thats a move out of the club Id probably be willing to let happen. Thats what Id call a sensible sale. Buy in a cheaper younger alternative to challenge Kelly.

Johnson was excellent at left back and has performed well again this season overall, but as you say Juan, his fitness problems are always there and although Kelly has his fair share he could grow out of them at his age. Gerrard suffered similarly in his early career. We have to balance the age of the purchase. We need experience but not someone who could undermine the development and chances of Kelly and even Flanagan. It would be handy to keep Kelly as a right back as his height is an advantage - he's tall for a full back, but not particularly for a centre half.

Dirk I would keep without a doubt. Big game player, great role model and sets the right example both personally and professionally, both on and off the pitch. He's the true team player and his movement when played up front creates space for others (unfortunately it's not taken advantage of often enough). For some reason Dalglish doesn't seem to appreciate his qualities and what he offers within the team framework.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 05, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
Dalglish sold Moreless last year.  This year, he will most likely sell Kuyt and Maxi.

And he replaces them with shi.te like Adam, Carroll and Downing (and 20 million on Henderson).

Our scottish boss is pure nuts.   

A child would have a better understanding of the game.

FFS     Our owners have to dismiss this nutter before he totally ruins the club.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 05, 2012, 11:34:17 PM
Dalglish sold Moreless last year.  This year, he will most likely sell Kuyt and Maxi.

And he replaces them with shi.te like Adam, Carroll and Downing (and 20 million on Henderson).

Our scottish boss is pure nuts.   

A child would have a better understanding of the game.

FFS     Our owners have to dismiss this nutter before he totally ruins the club.

And take Damien "THE bad OMEN" with him. Stewart Downing is our David Bentley.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 05, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
And take Damien "THE bad OMEN" with him. Stewart Downing is our David Bentley.

absolutely.

the scary thing is, that the club has gone backwards in the past year, with rubbish buys.

thus this summer, we face having to not only to deal with the normal transfer movements, but also we have to replace the rubbish the nutter brought in last summer.  PLUS we have to deal with key players now demanding to leave....and also face the fact that nobody of any note will want to come and join this shambles.

we might need a whole new team this summer, bar two or three exceptions.

it's excruciatingly embarrassing, for all concerned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 06, 2012, 01:01:27 PM
absolutely.

the scary thing is, that the club has gone backwards in the past year, with rubbish buys.

thus this summer, we face having to not only to deal with the normal transfer movements, but also we have to replace the rubbish the nutter brought in last summer.  PLUS we have to deal with key players now demanding to leave....and also face the fact that nobody of any note will want to come and join this shambles.

we might need a whole new team this summer, bar two or three exceptions.

it's excruciatingly embarrassing, for all concerned.

Exactly, Dude. This Summer we've got to redress the regression we've made this season AND improve by the amount we needed to this season in order to challenge AND add in further any improvements the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal make in the Summer. It's a huge ask to go from wherever we end up finishing this season to finishing fourth (in reality the best we can hope for) next season.

And will there be the money needed, and if so, will it be spent in a way that achieves the massive improvement needed?

This season has shown that major changes in adding so many 'first 11' players is very hard to do, so we've got to improve whilst keeping the numbers needing to 'bed in' down to a minimum.

It can partly be achieved by actually getting the maximum out of the existing squad (which certainly hasn't happened this season).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 06, 2012, 01:29:25 PM
Real Madrid prepared to spend to land England international star

With Jose Mourinho questioning Alvaro Arbeloa’s suitability as a first choice right-back at Real Madrid, he has now identified Kyle Walker and Glen Johnson as potential replacements for the former Liverpool man.

Mourinho believes that £16.5million will be enough to land either of the full backs, and has set aside such an amount to budget for a position he has had trouble strengthening since his arrival at the Bernabeu.

He is now looking to rectify that, and although he may face a tougher fight to secure the signature of Walker from Tottenham Hotspur, he is believed to be the Portuguese boss’s preferred target.

Walker has had a breakthrough season at White Hart Lane, establishing himself as first choice right-back under Harry Redknapp and winning his first England cap in the process, and as he is still only 21, Spurs may demand a fee in excess of the £16.5million that Mourinho wishes to pay.

Inclusion in England’s Euro 2012 squad, as expected, would also see Walker’s value further increase, and it appears that the Spanish giants could have to stump up a huge fee to land the former Sheffield United full-back.

With that in mind, Mourinho could instead turn to Liverpool defender Glen Johnson, who has featured more sporadically in the Premier League this season amidst injury troubles.

Despite only signing a contract extension last summer, Johnson would be a cheaper option than Walker due to his age, and could be set for a reunion with Mourinho, who he worked with at Chelsea.

Scouts of Real are high on both players after numerous viewings throughout the season, and it is thought that the club will make the ultimate decision on which player to make a firm offer for come the end of the season.


http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/champions-league/real-madrid-prepared-to-spend-to-land-england-international-star_101312.html (http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/champions-league/real-madrid-prepared-to-spend-to-land-england-international-star_101312.html)

If Mourinho wants rid of Arbeloa and Johnson wants to go to Real, then let's do a swap deal with Arby and cash coming our way. It could prove to be an excellent deal for us, getting a top quality player and some cash to go into the transfer pot, whilst additionally further lowering the wage bill as Arbeloa wouldn't be on the crazy salary Johnson is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 06, 2012, 06:41:57 PM
Exactly, Dude. This Summer we've got to redress the regression we've made this season AND improve by the amount we needed to this season in order to challenge AND add in further any improvements the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal make in the Summer. It's a huge ask to go from wherever we end up finishing this season to finishing fourth (in reality the best we can hope for) next season.

And will there be the money needed, and if so, will it be spent in a way that achieves the massive improvement needed?

This season has shown that major changes in adding so many 'first 11' players is very hard to do, so we've got to improve whilst keeping the numbers needing to 'bed in' down to a minimum.

It can partly be achieved by actually getting the maximum out of the existing squad (which certainly hasn't happened this season).

yes, regardless of how many he brings in, Kenny is useless at building a side, and useless at tactics.

unless we get the manager right, and the chief scout, and the chief executive.....we are going nowhere.  Well, actually our present lemons are totally ruining the club.  Doing nothing, is not an option this summer.  These nutters have to be shown the door.

I'd recruit Parry......and possibly david dein on a part time consultancy basis.

I'd look at who the top scouts are.....I am drawn towards graham carr at newcastle....he could well be a good recruit, as our new chief scout.

I'd bring in Benitez or O'Neill.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 06, 2012, 07:31:46 PM
yes, regardless of how many he brings in, Kenny is useless at building a side, and useless at tactics.

unless we get the manager right, and the chief scout, and the chief executive.....we are going nowhere.  Well, actually our present lemons are totally ruining the club.  Doing nothing, is not an option this summer.  These nutters have to be shown the door.

I'd recruit Parry......and possibly david dein on a part time consultancy basis.

I'd look at who the top scouts are.....I am drawn towards graham carr at newcastle....he could well be a good recruit, as our new chief scout.

I'd bring in Benitez or O'Neill.

Dein could easily be incorporated onto the board. The owners do things from a distance (no problem there, it seems to work for the Mancs) and Dein wouldn't need to be present at the club, simply a phone call or email away. Let Parry oversee and put the owners wishes into action, afterall they'd have the ideas, unlike Moores who left everything to Art. Ayer gets on and does what he does best - deal making. Then we just need a negotiator for transfers, contracts and to aid Ayer with the more complex deals - two heads and all that. Parry would be the perfect fit to get himself on to an FA committee or two, give us a seat at the table of power, like the Mancs have with Gill. Werner's the media expert so Art wouldn't need to be the ideas man in that direction (again unlike with Moores).

I'd trust the combined knowledge of Parry and Dein and their contacts to make the right managerial change. First job of the new board - issue our DOF with a P45.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 06, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
exactly.

now if only you and me were in charge of the running of the club.

we'd make these appointments in the forthcoming weeks.

unfortunately, as we have said many times, how do the yankee owners make correct senior employee selection decisions, when they get no good guidance.   


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on April 06, 2012, 08:10:08 PM
Need to take the kids into account and what this YouthGen
series means in terms of attracting YOUNG Champions League
type players. Perhaps we're more attractive than other clubs
for 15, 16, 17 year olds. Means we don't have to worry about FFP.

Anyway, Borrell has the reserves playing some very attractive footie
at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL9Jj-6LCBw&list=UU9LQwHZoucFT94I2h6JOcjw&index=1&feature=plcp
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 06, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
Need to take the kids into account and what this YouthGen
series means in terms of attracting YOUNG Champions League
type players. Perhaps we're more attractive than other clubs
for 15, 16, 17 year olds. Means we don't have to worry about FFP.

Anyway, Borrell has the reserves playing some very attractive footie
at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL9Jj-6LCBw&list=UU9LQwHZoucFT94I2h6JOcjw&index=1&feature=plcp

Although it's the long route to success, if we can elevate ourselves to the level of Ajax, Barca or even Arsenal, then we could attract some of the future stars, who in turn could help us achieve more. Allied to finding the next "insert name" before others do, we can build top teams in the future without the need to spend stupid sums on a bunch of galacticos. I can at least dream. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 07, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Found this article on Commolli, and it makes interesting, if not exactly promising, reading:




Comolli helps to guide the statistical revolution at Liverpool

Ben Lyttleton  October 11, 2011



This Saturday will mark the anniversary of Fenway Sports Group's takeover of Liverpool and it comes just a few days after UK magazine FourFourTwo published its annual Football Rich List. The magazine ranked FSG owner John W Henry at 20th in the list, and calculated that each Premier League point Liverpool had earned since the purchase has cost Henry a whopping £7.5 million ($11.7M). (The team it beat last week, local rivals Everton, comes in at £48,000 per point, given that owner Bill Kenwright paid £20M for it in 2004.)

Of course, this calculation is skewed and FourFourTwo accepts it is meant as just a bit of fun. But it can also act as an interesting backdrop to Henry's first year in charge, and the application of "Moneyball" or rather 'Soccernomics' theories in football. 'Moneyball', now a film starring Brad Pitt, is the Michael Lewis book in which Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane uses statistics to find previously underestimated players in the transfer market to help his team become champions. "Soccernomics," the football equivalent, advocates data analysis to give teams a competitive edge, not just in recruitment but also in contract management, penalty shootouts, and injury prevention.

While FourFourTwo's figures suggest that not everything the data tells you is helpful, Liverpool's director of football Damien Comolli might not agree.

He is evangelical in his use of data in football, and says now that no major decision at the club is taken without seeing what the stats say. When it works, it can be a great success: as proven by forward Luis Suarez, the new hero at Anfield whose £23 million ($35M) transfer fee is now widely seen as a bargain.

"For Luis, I looked at the stats over the last three years, notably the number of games played which is an important factor," he told France Football earlier this year. "We turn enormously toward players who don't get injured. We also took into account the number of assists, his performances against the big teams, against the smaller clubs, in the European Cup, the difference between goals scored at home and away."

Left back Jose Enrique was another signing backed by the data: when Liverpool missed out on Gael Clichy (whom, when 17 and after a handful of games for Cannes, Comolli had discovered for Arsenal), Comolli drew up a shortlist and noticed that Enrique's statistical figures were impressive, more so than the scouting reports on him. He was also cheaper, in terms of transfer fee and salary, than Clichy. With Enrique one of Liverpool's standout performers thus far this season, it's further evidence that Comolli's methodology has worked.

If only it were always that easy. When a signing doesn't come off, as in the case -- so far, it has to be said -- of Andy Carroll, who cost Liverpool £35M ($54M) in January, and has scored four goals in his first 17 appearances for the club, the whole system is blamed. Comolli bristles at any mention of Carroll in this context, though he did previously admit to Infosport that Suarez had originally been signed to play alongside Fernando Torres, and not Carroll. The problem is that what works for one player might not work for another.

Take this interview with Leaders in Performance last May: "The first thing we used to look for is the talent, but not anymore," Comolli said. "What we want is a talented player but with the right attitude and intelligence. Is he a team player? Is he intelligent enough that he puts himself at the disposal of the team? We need to look a lot more at the psychological aspect of the player, the attitude of the player, the mentality of the player on the pitch than we used to." While that explains why Liverpool wanted Suarez, it also makes Carroll's arrival a little surprising, given the reservations by some scouts about his "attitude and mentality" before he joined.

Comolli's backers, quite reasonably, point out that Suarez and Carroll combined cost almost the same as the sales of Fernando Torres (£50M/$80M) and Ryan Babel (€7M/$9.5M) generated, while Henry has claimed that Carroll's value is actually Fernando Torres less £15M ($23M). That seems disingenuous -- if Torres had joined Chelsea for £25 million ($39M), it's unlikely Newcastle would have sold Carroll for £10 million ($15M).

"Value" is the magic word here: "The whole principle is about creating value, and managing to find a player in the market who is underestimated financially compared to his stats," Comolli told Les Specialistes. The problem with value, as Paul Kelso pointed out in The Daily Telegraph, is that "it is not obvious [to find value] when you are trying to buy a center forward on deadline day in January".

However, it's important to note that "Moneyball" theory does not preclude big-money signings in positions of key value (after all, Henry's Boston Red Sox have spent the second-highest amount in the last decade in Major League Baseball). Comolli sanctioned the deal for Carroll because his age (22), English nationality and rare physical traits had already made him one of Liverpool's primary transfer targets.

Comolli himself never made the grade as a professional player: he was in the youth team at Monaco but found his path blocked by the likes of Lilian Thuram and Emmanuel Petit. At 19, he was coaching Monaco's U-16 team, before Arsene Wenger, then coaching Nagoya Grampus Eight, persuaded him to move to Japan and coach the goalkeepers at Nagasaki U-18s. One year later, he was working for Wenger at Arsenal, as a scout covering Europe.

It was Wenger who first ignited Comolli's commitment to statistics, after the coach noted Manchester United had the best percentage of successful passes in the opposition half and that Roy Keane won the most one-on-one challenges in the Premier League. "Now you know why they win," Wenger told him.

"The revelation came from reading 'Moneyball', that's when everything fell into place," Comolli told France Football. "Thanks to someone I know, I became friends with Billy Beane, the hero of the book, and ever since 2005 I have worked enormously on that." Just as his friendship with Beane was developing, he became Spurs director of football in September 2005. In three years at White Hart Lane, Comolli signed 26 players, eight of whom are still there now. The successes include the likes of Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and Benoit Assou-Ekotto; the flops, David Bentley, Gilberto and Hossam Ghaly.

Paul Tomkins, in Pay as You Play: The True Price of Success in the Premier League Era, calculated that of Comolli's signings, around 30 percent were big profit-makers, and 25 percent flops, with the rest somewhere in between, with an "overall estimated genuine profit of £26.5M ($41M)". It was Comolli's work at White Hart Lane -- as well as a ringing endorsement from Beane himself -- that convinced Henry to hire him.

Comolli has denied the claims of Soccernomics author Simon Kuper that there is a power struggle with Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish. "Comolli is very close to Beane, who is bringing Moneyball to football, while Dalglish is an excellent manager on gut feel," Kuper told The Score last week.

Comolli, quite reasonably, insisted that so much summer business could not have happened had the two men disagreed. On top of the players brought in, Liverpool sold 14 players and moved out another nine on loan: in some cases, like Christian Poulsen and Milan Jovanovic, it bought out the player's contract and in others, like Joe Cole, is still subsidizing his salary.

One French reporter who knows Comolli well suggested that the summer deals were an expensive compromise: Comolli wanted young players knowing their value would increase, while Dalglish wanted British players. The result: almost £50M ($80M) spent on Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Stewart Downing.

In any case, Comolli knows all about power struggles: in his last job at Saint-Etienne, the club's joint-owners were constantly at war with Comolli stuck in the middle. Bernard Caiazzo was the businessman who liked big-name players and enjoyed the attention that comes with owning a club, while Roland Romeyer preferred hardworking players, spoke like a supporter, and was happier in the background. The pair bickered nonstop and the club only just survived relegation. After Comolli left, Saint-Etienne changed its administrative structure and results immediately improved. (That spell also explains why he gets very little credit, and still has a relatively low profile, in France.)

Martin Jol also blamed Comolli for his failure as Tottenham Hotspur coach. "Comolli was responsible, he was responsible for most of the football things," Jol told a news conference after his recent appointment as Fulham coach. It's true that Comolli had bought Darren Bent and Didier Zokora against Jol's wishes, but the club still finished fifth in successive seasons. It was only after Jol's fallout with Dimitar Berbatov, which coincided with Spurs' worst start for 19 years, one win in 10 league games, that the Dutchman was dismissed in October 2007. Comolli's choice as successor was Juande Ramos (who at Sevilla had brought out the best in Fredi Kanoute, a player that struggled under Jol at Spurs) but 13 months and a League Cup trophy later, both men had left the club.

The other lesson Comolli took from Wenger, which is another part of the "Soccernomics" remit, is to always replace your best players while they are still there. (Wenger did this by signing Emmanuel Adebayor before Thierry Henry left, Robin Van Persie before Dennis Bergkamp left, Mathieu Flamini before Patrick Vieira left and he has done the same with Jack Wilshere and Cesc Fabregas.) The Torres deal was done too quickly for that to happen, while it remains to be seen whether Jordan Henderson could prove to be a long-term replacement for Steven Gerrard, or Sebastien Coates for Jamie Carragher.

If you add Stewart Downing to Suarez and Enrique as successful purchases so far, you can sympathize with Comolli's reaction whenever Carroll is brought up. He may not like it, but Comolli knows it's the fate of the sporting director to be remembered for his flops.

And even if Carroll does struggle to improve, Comolli is already helping Liverpool to a profit on and off the pitch. On Saturday, Liverpool welcome Manchester United to Anfield, 12 months to the day that FSG bought the club. One year on, the mood is better, the squad is trimmer, and the future is brighter. Comolli has played his role.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ben_lyttleton/10/11/liverpool.comolli/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ben_lyttleton/10/11/liverpool.comolli/index.html)

So if true we comprised between who Commolli wanted and Dalglish wanted and the compromising seems to have been done much more by one than the other.

I still can't see any 'hidden gems' that Commolli has unearthed when he has had the 'power' as a DOF or sporting director. I wonder  how many of Arsenal's gems where directly his work or had as much or more to do with Steve Rowley or Giles Grimandi.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 07, 2012, 10:26:35 PM
yes, interesting article.

unsure why Comolli tells us all his secrets.

makes me wonder, why we don;t just get a computer program and some YTS kid to work it, and feed the data (value for price and wages) to our bootroom/manager.

would save on Comolli's wages and airfares around europe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 07, 2012, 11:00:28 PM
yes, interesting article.

unsure why Comolli tells us all his secrets.

makes me wonder, why we don;t just get a computer program and some YTS kid to work it, and feed the data (value for price and wages) to our bootroom/manager.

would save on Comolli's wages and airfares around europe.

Makes you wonder how Sir Bob or Geoff Twentyman ever managed to find a single decent player. They must have torn out pages of the Rothman's and thrown darts and whichever player got speared, they then bought him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 07, 2012, 11:12:12 PM
Makes you wonder how Sir Bob or Geoff Twentyman ever managed to find a single decent player. They must have torn out pages of the Rothman's and thrown darts and whichever player got speared, they then bought him.

 :D

yes, and the one thing that stood out, was how Comolli goes on about mentality of a potential new player is important.

well WTF happened when they were looking at andy carroll.

that lad is so immature.....i;d hate to go into battle with him alongside me.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 07, 2012, 11:38:15 PM
:D

yes, and the one thing that stood out, was how Comolli goes on about mentality of a potential new player is important.

well WTF happened when they were looking at andy carroll.

that lad is so immature.....i;d hate to go into battle with him alongside me.

Add in Downing and Henderson. Both appear to lack the mentality to play for a big club (which we hope to be once again). Commolli seems to say a lot but live up to his fine words very little. I'd love to know the players that Commolli suggested, that Dalglish turned down and what Commolli's true thoughts are on who we signed. The problem is when you look at some of his Spurs aquisitions you can see parallels with our Summer shopping spree, so I can see why Commolli claims he and Dalglish have no problems working together. Too similar in their approach.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 08, 2012, 12:54:52 AM
Add in Downing and Henderson. Both appear to lack the mentality to play for a big club (which we hope to be once again). Commolli seems to say a lot but live up to his fine words very little. I'd love to know the players that Commolli suggested, that Dalglish turned down and what Commolli's true thoughts are on who we signed. The problem is when you look at some of his Spurs aquisitions you can see parallels with our Summer shopping spree, so I can see why Commolli claims he and Dalglish have no problems working together. Too similar in their approach.

yes, the pair of them appear to be numpties, when it comes to finding and analysing talent.

like I said previously, Graham Carr at Newcastle, is a man I would look at bringing in.

Time to get back to the Geoff Twentyman system.....a trusted old pair of eyes, who is forever going to games, and can spot talent before others see it.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 08, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
yes, the pair of them appear to be numpties, when it comes to finding and analysing talent.

like I said previously, Graham Carr at Newcastle, is a man I would look at bringing in.

Time to get back to the Geoff Twentyman system.....a trusted old pair of eyes, who is forever going to games, and can spot talent before others see it.

Any of us could have picked out (and then disgarded) the signings the two of them came up with. We need to unearth the next (insert name of any decent player we've been linked with over the last three seasons). The Danish, Dutch, Belgian and German leagues are where we should be concentrating. Unfortunately we can't do as other clubs do re South American players as we have work permit problems that clubs in other countries don't have to be hamstrung by, and also the South American players can have multi ownership, something allowed in other leagues but not the PL.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 08, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
Any of us could have picked out (and then disgarded) the signings the two of them came up with. We need to unearth the next (insert name of any decent player we've been linked with over the last three seasons). The Danish, Dutch, Belgian and German leagues are where we should be concentrating. Unfortunately we can't do as other clubs do re South American players as we have work permit problems that clubs in other countries don't have to be hamstrung by, and also the South American players can have multi ownership, something allowed in other leagues but not the PL.

yes, for some reason we are linked with too many south americans.

ok, I appreciate that we want to keep coates and suarez happy......but why bring in so many latins, when we know full-well, that if they are successful with us, they will move on to italy or spain.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 08, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
yes, for some reason we are linked with too many south americans.

ok, I appreciate that we want to keep coates and suarez happy......but why bring in so many latins, when we know full-well, that if they are successful with us, they will move on to italy or spain.

The South Americans will always see Real or Barca as the pinacle of their careers ahead of staying with us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 10, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
As tonight has shown we're in need of a back up to Pepe, especially if Doni goes back home as expected.

We should be looking at Jack Butland of Birmingham City, before someone like the Mancs snatch him.

I doubt he's well known enough for Comolli to have heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 10, 2012, 11:07:44 PM
Jan Vertonghen - the perfect left footed cover/competition/replacement for Danny Agger.

Doubt we'll get him, probably end up at Arsenal with Vermaelen or the Mancs as Ferdinand's replacement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 10, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
I doubt he's well known enough for Comolli to have heard of him.

 :D

he'll be on our man's laptop.....amongst his database of 10,000 others.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 11, 2012, 12:50:23 AM
:D

he'll be on our man's laptop.....amongst his database of 10,000 others.

By the time he's sifted through them all it's 2 minutes to midnight at the end of the transfer window and we put in our bid with the two additional noughts on the end.

Comolli: I'd like to bid £12M for your player.

MD of selling club: Try again.

Comolli: OK, how about £13M?.

MD: Try nearer £18M.

Comolli: OK, I'd like to bid £21M for your player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 11, 2012, 12:57:35 AM
and no, thanks for the instalment suggestion, but we;d like to pay it all upfront.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 11, 2012, 11:16:59 PM
and no, thanks for the instalment suggestion, but we;d like to pay it all upfront.

Looks like Kenny's already decided how he's going to fund his next sweetshop trolley dash:

Kuyt lured back to former club Feyenoord with promise of coaching role

11 April 2012


Feyenoord are willing to offer Dirk Kuyt a coaching role in an attempt to entice him back to Holland in the summer.

Kuyt, 31, can leave Anfield for £1m, but the Dutch side can only offer a £1m-a-year salary, which is far short of rivals such as Fiorentina.

Meanwhile, Liverpool continue to monitor Atalanta winger Ezequiel Schelotto, 22.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2128406/Feyenoord-entice-Dirk-Kuyt-Liverpool-coaching-role.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2128406/Feyenoord-entice-Dirk-Kuyt-Liverpool-coaching-role.html)

So we've not learned from letting Sami go and not offering him a coaching role.

Still, Carra's doing his coaching badges so we're saved.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 11, 2012, 11:25:34 PM
Looks like Kenny's already decided how he's going to fund his next sweetshop trolley dash:

Kuyt lured back to former club Feyenoord with promise of coaching role

11 April 2012


Feyenoord are willing to offer Dirk Kuyt a coaching role in an attempt to entice him back to Holland in the summer.

Kuyt, 31, can leave Anfield for £1m, but the Dutch side can only offer a £1m-a-year salary, which is far short of rivals such as Fiorentina.

Meanwhile, Liverpool continue to monitor Atalanta winger Ezequiel Schelotto, 22.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2128406/Feyenoord-entice-Dirk-Kuyt-Liverpool-coaching-role.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2128406/Feyenoord-entice-Dirk-Kuyt-Liverpool-coaching-role.html)

So we've not learned from letting Sami go and not offering him a coaching role.

Still, Carra's doing his coaching badges so we're saved.

Carra and Gerra, the brains of the operation.  We should bring in Gazza and Tony Adams too.  What those four don't know about football isn;t worth knowing!  And don't forget Incy.    Those five wouldn;t fear a Cambodian style intelligence cull. 

Badges, badges......we don't need no stinkin' badges!

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 15, 2012, 12:44:58 PM
Drenthe prepared to cross Merseyside divide as Liverpool eye summer swoop

15 April 2012


Royston Drenthe could be set for a controversial switch to Liverpool this summer.
The Real Madrid winger is on loan at Everton but is prepared to cross the Merseyside divide.
The Anfield are reportedly willing to match the 25-year-old’s £80,000-a-week wages to sign him on a permanent deal.

Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish sees Drenthe as a key part of his summer rebuilding plans.
The Dutch international has impressed in patches since joining the Goodison Park club last August.
He has scored four goals and made seven assists for David Moyes' side but was dropped as Everton lost to Sunderland in the FA Cup semi-final on Saturday amid rumours of a breach of discipline.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2130023/Liverpool-want-Royston-Drenthe.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2130023/Liverpool-want-Royston-Drenthe.html)

I'm sure Everton won't be paying him £80k a week, so why should we? He's not getting anywhere at Real so he may as well move on.
Give him half of that to begin with and then let him prove he's worth the rest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 15, 2012, 01:18:10 PM
excatly.

and from all I hear, the lad comes with baggage, lots of attitude.

he needs a tough manager, to lay down the law.

dalglish is the opposite......the teacher whose pupils walk circles around.  I think this lad would be bad business.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on April 15, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
I think this lad would be bad business.
Geez, Drenthe..."How often do you have sex?"...."Do you mean with my wife?".

Dunno if I could support the team still (i don't care how good he's supposed to be).
Might take a season out...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 16, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Geez, Drenthe..."How often do you have sex?"...."Do you mean with my wife?".

 :D  I always said Ryan Giggs was a poor role model.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 16, 2012, 12:07:14 AM
and from all I hear, the lad comes with baggage, lots of attitude.

Only about as much as Kings Cross lost baggage office.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on April 16, 2012, 12:34:28 AM
Some hypotheticals here Tes,

We retain all or most of the recent signings...surely then that's
our core team for the league next season?

Do Kuyt & Maxi have a future as experienced squad players?

What about Carra & Gerrard?

Is their enough quality coming through, to promote one or two
to the bench?

Kelly, Spearing and Shelvey remain?

Granted, there's now one more competition to provide games for all of these...

Do we need some big name signings (can we get the right ones?)?

Hmmm....is fourth a target next season?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 16, 2012, 01:10:03 AM
Some hypotheticals here Tes,

We retain all or most of the recent signings...surely then that's
our core team for the league next season?

Adam is the only one financially we can afford to let go.

Do Kuyt & Maxi have a future as experienced squad players?

They should have. Goalscorers and big game players can be a handy asset.

What about Carra & Gerrard?

I'll let Dude 'fill his boots' with this one.

Is their enough quality coming through, to promote one or two
to the bench?

Maybe some cameo roles. More likely the season after.

Kelly, Spearing and Shelvey remain?

Hopefully. They've all got something to offer.

Granted, there's now one more competition to provide games for all of these...

Do we need some big name signings (can we get the right ones?)?

What like 'Vennegoor of Hesselink'? They don't get much bigger. I'd always rather we made our own 'big names'.

Hmmm....is fourth a target next season?  ;D

It can always be a target, though is it achieveable? When the Summer window closes we'll have a much better idea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 18, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
Hamburg want Liverpool FC's Dirk Kuyt

by Ian Doyle  Apr 18 2012


HAMBURG have joined the queue of clubs trying to tempt Dirk Kuyt away from Liverpool this summer.

Kuyt has been linked with a departure from Anfield after losing his first-team place under Kenny Dalglish this season.

The Dutchman’s former club Feyenoord have already expressed an interest in taking back the 31-year-old to his homeland, while Italian side Roma are also tracking the player.

Now German Bundesliga outfit Hamburg, who reached the Europa League quarter-finals this season, are keen on Kuyt, who has scored 71 goals in 279 appearances for Liverpool.

Kuyt will soon enter the final year of his contract, with this summer realistically Liverpool’s final chance to gain a fee for the forward they splashed out £9m to sign

in August 2006.

The Holland international was an unused substitute in last Saturday’s FA Cup semi-final victory over Everton at Wembley.

But Kuyt is hopeful he can repeat his knack of scoring in the big games when it comes to next month’s final against Chelsea.

He has scored in both the 2007 Champions League final and February’s Carling Cup final triumph over Cardiff City.

“I am proud that, after the Champions League final and the final of the Carling Cup, for the third time I am with Liverpool in a final,” said Kuyt.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2012/04/18/hamburg-want-liverpool-fc-s-dirk-kuyt-55578-30782475/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2012/04/18/hamburg-want-liverpool-fc-s-dirk-kuyt-55578-30782475/)

I can see us not having learned from letting Sami go. We need to offer Dirk a player-coach role for next season onwards. Letting him go will come back and bite us on the bottom in the future.

Carra or Sami and Dirk as coaches? I know which is my preferrred option.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 18, 2012, 10:18:32 AM
Crewe Alex: Youth star Dan Smith leaves for Liverpool in six-figure deal

Apr 18 2012 by Peter Morse


CREWE Alex have lost their battle to stop highly-rated midfielder Dan Smith leaving for the Premier League, the Chronicle can reveal.

The Alex hoped the England youth international would stay after his proposed switch to Manchester City fell through last month.

But it has emerged Liverpool hijacked the move and sealed a six-figure deal for the 16-year-old.

Club insiders are devastated at the loss of the star prospect who was painstakingly developed at the Alex academy.

But the fee, thought to be about £300,000 with extra for appearances, will ease financial pressure following the £1m loss posted in their latest accounts.

Alex spokesman Rob Wilson said: “We are naturally disappointed that Dan has decided to sign for Liverpool.

“The club has received an undisclosed fee and future add-ons but we would have much preferred to have seen him play for our first team.”

Smith, from Staffordshire, who is in his final year at secondary school, arrived at Crewe, aged 11.

He quickly progressed, earned international honours and caught the eye of scouts across the country.

He signed scholarship forms with the Alex but soon saw his future elsewhere.

Smith used social networking site Twitter to announce his move, posting a picture of himself alongside manager Kenny Dalglish under the message ‘signing for Liverpool’.

His departure is a blow to Crewe’s mission to keep their best young players but academy director James Collins has already reassured fans it will not unsettle other youngsters.

And the cash injection could strengthen the Alex’s bargaining position when big clubs come calling for Nick Powell in the summer.


http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/crewe-alex-fc/crewe-alex-fc-news/2012/04/18/crewe-alex-youth-star-dan-smith-leaves-for-liverpool-in-six-figure-deal-96135-30781241/ (http://www.crewechronicle.co.uk/crewe-alex-fc/crewe-alex-fc-news/2012/04/18/crewe-alex-youth-star-dan-smith-leaves-for-liverpool-in-six-figure-deal-96135-30781241/)

First thing he needs to do is shut that 'Tw@tter' account.

It's good to see us beat the moneybags Mancs etc to the punch.

We need to get Txiki Begiristain in asap and start creating something stable and consistent from the juniors upwards and keep stability from manager to manager and create a identity in the way we play and be prepared to promote youngsters into the squad and look to create our own 'big names'.
We'd have an increased chance then of attracting top youngsters as they would see how they would be playing and understnd they had a chance 'to make it' here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 18, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
Only about as much as Kings Cross lost baggage office.

was reading that everton have told him not to come in, after he turned up late *again* pre the FA Cup semi-final (for which he was dropped from the squad).

the lad is trouble......typical dutch trouble.

and he;s only scored something like 4  goals in 27 odd games for the toffeenoses.....so he;s no real loss anyway.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 18, 2012, 02:57:41 PM
Do Kuyt & Maxi have a future as experienced squad players?

they are top technical lads and never give us a moment of trouble.  Crucial we keep them (at what cost do you replace them at....and who exactly would one get). 

But the muppet in the dugout will probably sell each for a million and replace them with two 16 year old english lads, John Bull Cromwell and Steven Winston Lancaster, for  20 million each. 

What about Carra & Gerrard?
Carra should have been gone three years ago.  He's been over the hill that long.  He would take no further part in the club, if I ran it.   But the dimwit in the dugout will want to pick his mate for the first team, til his legs fall off, or the grease-nipple in his knee-joints fails to work.   The dimwit will want to keep Carra at the club, in a coaching capacity for the rest of our natural lives.  Like I mean, it;s difficult finding (in the mdoern premiership era) someone who can train lads in the victorian art of hoofing the ball like a big farm lad, into the big blue yonder.

As for Gerrard.  Either play him on the right, or sell him.  I have said it for a decade, we will win no title while he is in, or at the core of our team.The dimwit will keep him at Liverpool for the rest of his life, assuming Captain Marvel isn't lured to the BBC studios as a Match of the Day pundit, after hanging up his boots, to replace Lawrenson.   


Do we need some big name signings (can we get the right ones?)?

small name signings are best - e.g. case, neal, rush, wark, whelan, molby, alonso, etc.


Hmmm....is fourth a target next season?  ;D

with dimwit in charge, eighth to tenth is a reasonable target.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 18, 2012, 03:01:30 PM
We need to get Txiki Begiristain in asap

wonder if Brendan Rodgers knows any spanish
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on April 21, 2012, 04:18:12 AM
Was watching a great tie in the Europa league semi between Bilbao & Lisbon
just there. Some very very interesting young talent (early 20s) on display getting
experience in big games in Europe.

I note also a certain Emiliano Insua (played a blinder in the 1st half) definitely not
looking out of his depth, scored the equaliser & the celebration says it all imo.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/emiliano-insua-sporting-lisbon-v-athletic-bilbao/

hmmm....(kind of annoying 'cos we needed to rest Enrique more this season and also keep
him on his toes!).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on April 28, 2012, 12:41:40 PM
Was very pleased to here us being interested in Sweden's Rasmus Elm. A very calm and talented player with a brilliant left foot. Have a feeling he'll be better known after the Euro's.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 28, 2012, 09:52:19 PM
Was very pleased to here us being interested in Sweden's Rasmus Elm. A very calm and talented player with a brilliant left foot. Have a feeling he'll be better known after the Euro's.

Have you seen much of him, Martin?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on April 29, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
Have you seen much of him, Martin?

To be fair only when playing for the national side. Made a huge contribution to help Sweden turn the game against Holland around to see us win 3-2 last autumn. The result helped us through to the finals. Taggart was very close to sign him last summer. IMHO, he has the mentality and qualities we need. He's calm on the ball and always play for the team, has a brilliant left foot that often threats both from open play and set pieces. He ain't no Maradona but much much better than Adam or Henderson the way I see it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on April 29, 2012, 03:03:24 PM
The Saboteurs have been running the rule over some French talent:

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/liverpool-target-mamadou-sakho-and-8-other-french-stars-in-waiting/

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/remy-cabella-can-be-liverpools-number-10-for-the-next-decade/

Apparently a club called Montpelier are top of Ligue 1:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/france_results/tables/default.stm
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on April 30, 2012, 10:37:58 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to see Reina move on this Summer and now might be the right time to cash in. He's certainly not preformed in the last two seasons to the standards he set himself previously.

Chelsea have held onto Cech too long, and we don't want to make the same mistake. He's going to want and deserves a chance of playing CL football at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on April 30, 2012, 10:53:07 PM
I'd be very sad to see him leave.....hard to replace (especially for the muppets that we have in charge of scouting/mgt at Anfield).

his average form of the past year or two must be viewed in the context of a poor team balance in front of him, and a central defence that consists of a pensioner that should have been retired three seasons ago.  And Johnston is no great shakes as a full back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on May 03, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
I'd be very sad to see him leave.....hard to replace (especially for the muppets that we have in charge of scouting/mgt at Anfield).

his average form of the past year or two must be viewed in the context of a poor team balance in front of him, and a central defence that consists of a pensioner that should have been retired three seasons ago.  And Johnston is no great shakes as a full back.

Maybe both player and club need to go their seperate ways for different reasons, Dude, but I definately agree he'll be a tough act to follow and whoever arrives would have some huge gloves to fill. I feel a Ray Clemence moment approaching this Summer for Pepe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on May 03, 2012, 09:32:04 PM
Maybe both player and club need to go their seperate ways for different reasons, Dude, but I definately agree he'll be a tough act to follow and whoever arrives would have some huge gloves to fill. I feel a Ray Clemence moment approaching this Summer for Pepe.

I think that under Rafa or Martin, that he will excel again, Tes.

These are often a keeper's best years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on May 03, 2012, 11:32:20 PM
Sheer lunacy if we give up on Pepe...we should do all we can to keep him...
can't think of any other keeper in the prem who is better...cech/friedel still has his moments but past it...wouldn't want de gea...
letting him go means we have no ambition and it shows the world that we have none...
we have to keep our best players and if we can't convince Pepe of the project ahead then we really are in the wilderness...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on May 04, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
Once Xavi Valero returns in the summer, Pepe will be awesome again.

Plus who'd we replace him with? probably target the likes of Vorm, Al-Haabsi, Lloris. GK's who haven't got the character and mental toughness of Reina.

Reina is a leader and we need as many of them around as possible.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on May 05, 2012, 01:19:11 AM
Once Xavi Valero returns in the summer, Pepe will be awesome again.

Plus who'd we replace him with? probably target the likes of Vorm, Al-Haabsi, Lloris. GK's who haven't got the character and mental toughness of Reina.

Reina is a leader and we need as many of them around as possible.

If Reina were to go Id be straight in for Krul not that I think we'd have any chance of signing him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2012, 10:40:37 AM
LIVERPOOL TARGET MOMO DIAME

LIVERPOOL are set to make Wigan midfielder Momo Diame their first signing of the summer.

Diame is out of contract after rejecting a new deal and the Reds are set to get him on a free.
But they could face competition from neighbours Everton.
Diame, 24, wants to leave Wigan after losing his place in Roberto Martinez’s starting line-up.
The powerful midfielder, who joined Latics from Spanish club Rayo Vallecano, is a French-born Senegal international and can expect to double his money to £60,000 -a-week if the move goes ahead.

Diame will create cover and provide extra competition in the Reds’ midfield.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/251041/Liverpool-target-Momo-Diame/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/251041/Liverpool-target-Momo-Diame/)

Why double his wages? Give him the £30K he's on now and let him prove he's worth double that.

If he's not happy at losing his place in the team, why would he be any happier to sit on our bench than he is to sit on Wigan's (apart from twice as much money)?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on May 13, 2012, 11:43:18 AM
exactly.

and if the bloke cannot get into the wigan team, led by lancashire's messiah Roberto Mancini, then what in under goodness suggests he could get into Liverpool's team.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on May 13, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
if the bloke cannot get into the wigan team, led by lancashire's messiah Roberto Martinez, then what in under goodness suggests he could get into Liverpool's team.

simples dude....cos kenny says so...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on May 13, 2012, 11:56:24 PM
LIVERPOOL TARGET MOMO DIAME

LIVERPOOL are set to make Wigan midfielder Momo Diame their first signing of the summer.

Diame is out of contract after rejecting a new deal and the Reds are set to get him on a free.
But they could face competition from neighbours Everton.
Diame, 24, wants to leave Wigan after losing his place in Roberto Martinez’s starting line-up.
The powerful midfielder, who joined Latics from Spanish club Rayo Vallecano, is a French-born Senegal international and can expect to double his money to £60,000 -a-week if the move goes ahead.

Diame will create cover and provide extra competition in the Reds’ midfield.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/251041/Liverpool-target-Momo-Diame/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/251041/Liverpool-target-Momo-Diame/)

Why double his wages? Give him the £30K he's on now and let him prove he's worth double that.

If he's not happy at losing his place in the team, why would he be any happier to sit on our bench than he is to sit on Wigan's (apart from twice as much money)?

Free transfers just dont work.

Bellamy was the exception but Id argue that 95% of the players we sign on a free transfer never make a positive impact on the first team and just eat up cash on excessive wages. With a club of our size if you wouldnt be prepared to pay for a player I dont see the point in signing them on a free.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on May 14, 2012, 12:22:22 AM
Free transfers just dont work.

Bellamy was the exception but Id argue that 95% of the players we sign on a free transfer never make a positive impact on the first team

free transfers can work.....but like you say often don''t..........one has to examine the reasons that the player is leaving their previous club.

if they are the type to run down their contract, then you have to ask if you want that type of money grabber at your club......i.e. is he joining you for the right reasons.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on May 14, 2012, 12:35:43 AM
if they are the type to run down their contract, then you have to ask if you want that type of money grabber at your club......i.e. is he joining you for the right reasons.

And if he wasn't offered a new contract, then why not? Theoretically, you'd avoid 'frees' like the plague.

I have no problem with a player that makes it clear 2 years from the end of his contract that he won't be signing another as he wants a new challenge (genuinely, not just hoping for more cash) and the club decide to keep him for those two years and take advantage of what he offers as a player and said player gives 100% during those two years.

If Daime has refused to sign a new contract because he lost his place in the team, then it shows him to have either zero fight and desire to earn his place and prove the manager mistaken through hard work, or no faith in his own ability to regain his place even with the necessary application.

Our track record with frees is poor. Houllier's was good - Macca and only injury and illness robbed us of 3/3 with Litmanen and Babbel.

Ironically, Dalglish has 1/1 with Bellamy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on May 14, 2012, 12:40:18 AM
free transfers can work.....but like you say often don''t..........one has to examine the reasons that the player is leaving their previous club.

if they are the type to run down their contract, then you have to ask if you want that type of money grabber at your club......i.e. is he joining you for the right reasons.

There are no brainer free transfers, Markus Babbel fitted that category, Gary Macallister was a risk that paid off. Throw Bellamy into that category and Id say that I cant think of anyone else we have signed on a free that has more than just made up the squad numbers.

In the case of Diame if I were manager Id ask is he better than what we have already got. If the answer to that is not a categorical yes then Id see no point in signing him. What we pay for free transfers in wages could be better spent on bringing top young talent to the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on May 14, 2012, 12:59:34 AM
There are no brainer free transfers, Markus Babbel fitted that category, Gary Macallister was a risk that paid off. Throw Bellamy into that category and Id say that I cant think of anyone else we have signed on a free that has more than just made up the squad numbers.

In the case of Diame if I were manager Id ask is he better than what we have already got. If the answer to that is not a categorical yes then Id see no point in signing him. What we pay for free transfers in wages could be better spent on bringing top young talent to the club.

Frees, are anything but. They expect a greater signing on fee and higher salary as no fee is needed to be paid out. But unless he's a dead cert first teamer, why pay the salary of such for a bench warmer. I'd rather give a younger player a season. At best we find a solution, at worst we buy ourselves some time until someone more suitable and worthy of the financial outlay becomes available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on May 14, 2012, 08:41:43 PM
Eden Hazzard has confirmed he will be playing for one of the Manchester clubs but hasnt said which one yet.

I think that just shows how far off we are going to be from winning the league for the foreseeable future. We officially can no longer compete with the other big clubs. If its United hes signing for it shows how they mean business in trying to win the title back. If he signs for City it shows how they are already strengthening their title winning side.  All that on a day ourselves and Everton are being linked with opening talks with Diame.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on May 14, 2012, 09:22:32 PM
Juan, we need to be smarter. We need to find the 'next Eden  Hazard' etc.

City can only field 11 at a time and the more 'big name' players you collect the more egos potentially have to be juggled and pacified.

I know what you're saying about the title, but I'm looking no further than challenging to get back in the top four. One step at a time in the climb back. Even Taggart's not immortal (at least I don't think so) and as we've proven, no matter how high you appear to have reached you can still fall, and descending is always much quicker than ascension.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on May 15, 2012, 01:37:50 AM
financially, we can't compete with the Man Citys, Utd's or Chelseas of this world (nor do we genuinely want to).

instead, we need a manager in charge who has a track record of fighting far above his weight division - such as a Benitez, a Klopp, or an O'Neill.

and we have to run a highly efficient operation re transfer activity.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2012, 10:02:13 AM
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers wants to make Gylfi Sigurdsson his first signing following arrival at Anfield

By Chris Bascombe 11:59PM BST 02 Jun 2012


Sigurdsson was heading to the Liberty Stadium prior to Rodgers’ appointment at Anfield, but the change in circumstances appears to have scuppered the deal.

A £6.8 million fee was agreed between Swansea and Hoffenheim while Rodgers was still in charge, and personal terms were also negotiated with the 22 year-old.

But now the Northern Irishman has moved to Merseyside, Sigurdsson is destined to follow.

While Rodgers fully respects Swansea’s wish to conclude a deal, he says he feels compelled to pursue a player whose career has flourished under his charge.

“If he comes onto the market, I have to be interested,” explained Rodgers.

“His initial chat has to be with Swansea, because he had a good period there.

“I said when I had the chat with the chairman (Huw Jenkins) the other day, when I told him I was going to go to Liverpool, that Gylfi came to Swansea because I was there as manager.

“I said to Huw if I speak to the kid I’ll tell him to make sure he certainly comes down and speaks to the new (Swansea) manager, whoever that is, and that if he’s still not comfortable with that, he’s in the marketplace then — and then I have to look at him.”

Rodgers, meanwhile, has paid tribute to the roles his father and grandfather played in him becoming Liverpool manager.

“He was my hero. He’d be very proud,” said Rodgers of his father, who died last year. “Both my mum and dad passed away in a short period of time and I’m representing them.

“My grandfather was a Liverpool supporter. That’s where it started for me. I was born 1973 and in the late 70s I sat down with both him and my father [to watch Liverpool]. That was the emotional attachment to be here as well as the footballing challenge. They loved great football. My dad was a big lover of Johan Cruyff so that’s where one of my influences came from.

“My biggest influence were my parents. I’ve learnt from many people — good and bad — but my parents taught me the value of working hard. It’s an obligation to work hard, not a choice.

“My father brought me up that way and I was the one that always created rather than waited. I went out there and travelled to Spain, Holland and Germany to travel right the way through. It’s about having the courage and bravery to expose yourself to that.”

Rodgers makes no attempt to hide how he wants Liverpool to play, or what formation he intends to impose. His philosophy appears to be if he can make good players fit the system, opponents will know what’s coming but won’t get enough of the ball to undermine it.

“They say the best football coaches and managers are the best thieves so you look to pick up bits and pieces from everyone,” he said.

“Brendan Rodgers might not sound as good as someone from Italy or Spain. British managers have often been overlooked as not being impressive. I’m very proud that people here can see my vision, philosophy and work. I know Liverpool spoke to a number of European coaches but they went with an Irishman.

“What is new about my appointment is a British manager getting a job like this. When I started in management I wanted to show that British managers can get teams to play the way continental teams do, and that we have players who can adapt to that. I would say my style is a fusion.

“I’ve got a good idea where the group’s at. I think the biggest thing if you look at the team, it’s goals. It’s not rocket science. I think we’re defensively strong. They need more goals in the team. I think that’s the key. Whether that’s going to involve bringing players in or adapting the style to have a more high pressing game we’ll see.

"But that’s a challenge I’m looking forward to. My philosophy is simple — I’m here to educate. I’m not here to train. You train dogs, you don’t train players.

“Working with Jose Mourinho gave me great confidence. He saw something in me, and being at Chelsea gave me the opportunity to work with big players, and know that I could get my ideas across to them. It was a great experience, because I was there for the biggest year in Chelsea’s history.

“Jose and I keep in contact on a weekly basis, and I’ve got great respect for him. But I’m very much my own man. I had my own identity and my own ideas before I arrived at Chelsea.”

Rodgers could have been celebrating the title last month had he accepted an offer to become Roberto Mancini’s assistant two years ago.

Instead, he was drawn towards his managerial ambition.

“I went to Milan and met Roberto Mancini but then I got the call from Swansea,” said Rodgers.

“It was destiny really. It’s fate. I’m a big believer in that.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9307817/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-wants-to-make-Gylfi-Sigurdsson-his-first-signing-following-arrival-at-Anfield.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9307817/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-wants-to-make-Gylfi-Sigurdsson-his-first-signing-following-arrival-at-Anfield.html)

Hopefully BrenRod will be aware of what salary he was offered at Swansea and we'll offer similar, not twice as much. A goalscoring midfielder is a valuable commodity and he has the advantage of knowing the way the manager works. There shouldn't be any sort of 'settling in' period either.

Hopefully the manager will make the overhaul of scouting a priority. In fact we could do with one person responsible for all scouting at all levels, setting up and organising a proper scouting network at all levels, who will make sure the scouting network put in place delivers on all the different requirements for each age group/level as the requirements would differ slightly from level to level and it would mean it wasn't piecemeal level by level. It deserves a department and department head all to itself.
We've been weak on scouting for too long as our results and purchases have shown. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on June 03, 2012, 01:36:31 PM
i hope that sigurddson, and people of his ilk, are up to playing for liverpool fc.

we cannot afford (neither in a financial or footballing context) another summer of poor quality inputs at anfield (after hodgson and dalglish's dire efforts in the market).


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on June 03, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
Kuyt gone to Fenerbache. Fee is between 1-2m euros.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on June 03, 2012, 03:04:38 PM
scandalous.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
Exactly. What dumb@ss inserted a £1M buyout clause for the last year of his contract? I know he only had one year left and was never going to get a further two years (3 years in total like his Fene deal) but he would have been worth keeping for the year.
You can't buy experience like that, especially for £1M, unless you're buying off us it seems.

His off the ball movement and ability to create space for others would have been invaluable to BrenRod's style of play.

I hope we don't lose him long term like we have with Sami.

Ah well, we can have Mr and Mr Liverpool instead.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 03, 2012, 05:57:48 PM
I suspect he was on pretty high wages which may have helped ease him out of the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2012, 07:29:10 PM
I suspect he was on pretty high wages which may have helped ease him out of the club.

There's no doubt about that, Ray, as one of the senior's he is one of the highest paid, but there's a long list of players I'd rather save wages on than Dirk.

I think he must have made his mind up during the season and nothing was going to change it. A 3 year deal is good for a player of his age.

Let's hope we 're-invest' his salary sensibly.  Maybe we've just witnessed an 'Emlyn Hughes moment'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 03, 2012, 11:15:26 PM
There's no doubt about that, Ray, as one of the senior's he is one of the highest paid, but there's a long list of players I'd rather save wages on than Dirk.
I suspect Maxi is another who is but given his goal scoring record per game I think he may be retained. In any case Dirk's contract was in its last year.

Quote
I think he must have made his mind up during the season and nothing was going to change it. A 3 year deal is good for a player of his age.
All players want to play and he'd be daft to refuse a move with a 3 year contract. I am sad he's going and I think he's sad he's leaving but nothing lasts for ever and it's better to go out whilst people still love you.

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Let's hope we 're-invest' his salary sensibly.  Maybe we've just witnessed an 'Emlyn Hughes moment'.

Sigurdsson coud be a decent replacement for far fewer wages hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2012, 11:53:30 PM
Sigurdsson coud be a decent replacement for far fewer wages hopefully.

This is a very interesting situation. Rodger's most likely will know the salary offer made to Sigurdsson and therefore we shouldn't be looking to pay more than he would accept to play for Swansea.

Let's hope we finally get our wage inflation under control. For years we've paid out more than a lot of our rivals but haven't been rewarded with the success that level of renumeration should have produced.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2012, 10:39:16 AM
Pow! Liverpool to battle United and Arsenal for Crewe starlet Powell

By Alan Nixon   4 Jun 2012



Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers is ready to fight Manchester United and Arsenal for Crewe whizkid Nick Powell.

New Kop chief Rodgers is prepared to top the offers from United and the Gunners for the young attacker.

Powell is going to be cleared for talks with United chief Sir Alex Ferguson after his bid of £2million-plus down and installments that could take the total value to £5m was accepted by the Railwaymen.

Arsenal have offered more money for Powell, but Crewe surprisingly snubbed their approach.

Now Rodgers hopes he can step in and win the race with a better bid.

The auction has begun in earnest for an 18-year-old who is tipped for greatness, although Tottenham have dropped out because of the 'extras' that take his total fee beyond their valuation.

Powell will also have a say on his move - he wants to play first-team football and will want that chance either at his new club or by being sent out on loan for additional experience.

Ferguson has been working overtime to land Powell, who would also like to stay in the north-west of England - a factor which makes Rodgers' arrival in the hunt a real threat to United's plans.

* BUSY Liverpool have also won the race to sign Birmingham starlet Foday Nabay.

Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United were also chasing the midfielder, who has been playing above his age group in Blues' Under-18s side.

Anfield scouts had been eyeing Nabay long before Rodgers' appointment last week, and watched the Sierra Leone-born prospect play for England Under-16s last summer.

Liverpool will have to pay Birmingham only £70,000 in compensation, due to a loophole in Nabay's contract at St Andrew's.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-want-nick-powell-the-crewe-862573


Good to see Rodgers competing with the Mancs and Arsenal for top young talent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on June 09, 2012, 02:43:03 PM
I see we're being linked with Adam Johnson...

Liverpool are reported to be lining up a £17 million swoop for Manchester City winger Adam Johnson.

Talks are set to move forward in the coming days and the Kop outfit are hoping the Blues will do quick business on the England star who narrowly missed out on Roy Hodgson's Euro 2012 squad.
New Reds boss Brendan Rodgers knows he also faces stiff competition from both Sunderland and Newcastle for Johnson, but the Merseysiders are understood to be willing to match his City wages.
Former Anfield boss Kenny Dalglish set the wheels in the motion last season and Liverpool scouts have been tracking the tricky 24-year-old ever since.
Rodgers is also a huge admirer of the player and has been told the funds are there to push through a big deal.
Johnson is now looking for more first-team opportunities to further his England claims and Liverpool are confident they can provide them.
http://www.clubcall.com/manchester-city/rivals-eye-johnson-move-1436675.html


around the 10-12 mil range would be more realistic for a player who can't even get a game...a couple of years ago he was excellent and if our new style would get him playing well again then it could be a decent bit of business...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 09, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
I've always been impressed with him. He'd certainly get more game time with us than languishing at City. And at 24 his best years are ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on June 09, 2012, 04:14:33 PM
adam johnston has never impressed me.

he'll be another downing type purchase - i.e. over-priced, average, only ever on periphery of england side.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on June 10, 2012, 01:51:21 AM
adam johnston has never impressed me.

he'll be another downing type purchase - i.e. over-priced, average, only ever on periphery of england side.


To be fair dude, i once saw johnson pass a decent ball more than once a season...so if we got him for 10 mil or so then in comparison with the downing/henderson/carroll index he would be pretty good value...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 10, 2012, 02:25:34 AM
To be fair dude, i once saw johnson pass a decent ball more than once a season...so if we got him for 10 mil or so then in comparison with the downing/henderson/carroll index he would be pretty good value...
I too saw him belt one in early last season, tbh though, I'd prefer to get him
on loan. Unless we're bringing in genuine class, I can't see the point in going
through all the hassle of giving these players 3 year contracts, ordaining them
Liverpool players and basically stocking the squad full of maybes or mediocre
chuggers who lack consistency and marvel at finishing 8th.

Following this route, what's to stop us hitting the glass ceiling of 6th (Villa under O'Neill)
and becoming a selling club on the fringes, until the stadium is built, with an energetic
manager doing the best he can (and of course, playing attractive football). Maybe that,
as opposed to the Barcelona one, is the carousel we're about to get on with this newly
bussed in transfer strategy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 14, 2012, 02:20:43 AM
Crikey, the way this kid Powell strikes a football, don't think I've
seen a sweeter striker of a ball:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9328449/Nick-Powell-the-goals-and-skills-that-made-Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-sign-Crewe-youngster.html

Kind of depressing...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2012, 08:52:34 AM
Adam Johnson has a bit of an off-field reputation.


I'd rather see Rodgers take his time and see what he can do with the existing squad.
Player for player, our squad was vastly superior in terms of experience, international caps etc than Swansea's squad, which was made up mainly from the same squad that gained them promotion.

You wouldn't know that looking from the league table though. If he could get 90% out of our squad of what he did out of Swansea's then we would challenge for fourth with adding a single player.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2012, 09:50:59 AM
Liverpool FC in talks with Hoffenheim over signing Gylfi Sigurdsson

Jun 16 2012


Brendan Rodgers is eager to make the Iceland international his first capture as Anfield boss and Reds officials were yesterday believed to be negotiating a price for the midfielder with the German club.

Hoffenheim are understood to have quoted Liverpool more than the 9 million euros (around £7m) fee Swansea had agreed for the former Reading man.

Sigurdsson had been set to join the Swans, where he spent the final months of last season on loan, after the South Wales club agreed to pay for his services.

However, Rodgers’ switch to Merseyside prompted the player to rethink his future, with Sigurdsson now reportedly eager to link up with his former manager.

But the Northern Irishman yesterday said: “First and foremost, Gylfi is a Hoffenheim player.

“I wanted to sign him for Swansea but, like I’ve said to him and his representatives, that has to be his first port of call.

“If he comes into the market for whatever reason – and I’m sure there’ll be a number of clubs interested in Gylfi – then of course I would like to be in a position to put our case here at Liverpool to sign him.

“But I’ve always said I think he’s a player Swansea have had an agreement with and they have to have every chance to try to sign him. That’s only right.

“If anything changes from that, we’ll look at it from there.”


http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/06/16/99623-31196750/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/06/16/99623-31196750/)

Swansea may have been able to arrange a lower transfer fee as Hoffenheim may have taken into account the loan fee.
Rodgers should know how much both the agreed transfer fee and the loan fee were. Therefore, I would hope we don't pay more that the sum of the two. They've set the valuation through those two sums agreed with Swansea.

I wonder who will be doing the transfer negotiations this Summer. Hopefully it won't be the same person who messed up so spectacularly with valuations last Summer.

There have already been some 'good value' signings made by clubs home and abroad this Summer. The market seems to have been set lower than in previous years. We need to continue that trend, not buck it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 18, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
Aquilani appears to be playing up. Apparently he wants his contract cancelling so he can move on a free but wants a pay-off equivalent to his two remaining years.

So we pay him two years salary, a two year period for which he'll also be paid by his new team and we also forego a transfer fee, just so he can play in Italy and doesn't have to come back to England.

By all means cancel his contract and let him go on a free, but he gets not a penny more in wages. He'll get his free transfer, a signing on fee from his new club and in all likeliness a slightly higher salary.

We get rid of him and save two years of his salary.

Otherwise, let him rot at home on matchday. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 21, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
Mathieu Flamini has left AC Milan after they failed to agree terms on a new contract.

This would be the perfect free transfer signing as cover / competition for Lucas. He's 28, massively experienced, knows the PL and still has a good few years ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 24, 2012, 01:59:23 PM
Cardiff City consider Craig Bellamy bid to Liverpool

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18569484 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18569484)

I still think he has something to offer for another year. We need to keep some experience within the squad, especially with the loss of Dirk and the probable loss of Maxi.

It would be nice to see that position covered by a combination of Bellamy and Maxi, both who have offered goals and chance creation. Between them they could cover most games, certainly the league programme, whilst the cup games could be used to blood their replacement, if we have one already at the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Strong rumours that Sigurdsson is joining Spurs.

There's only one reason why a player joins a club whn he doesn't even know who the manager is - money. Maybe a bullet dodged.

But how has it happened. We're still taking forever to conclude a transfer deal. It's like Parry's still there.

The owners need to get a proper CEO appointed or one of them needs to drag themselves away from Boston and their rounders team and live and work in this country. Either that or sell us to someone who will be interested full time and apply themselves permanently to the job.

I'm getting sick of absentee owners not putting in place a system that means their absenteeism isn't affecting us, which it appears to be. Afterall, we're losing out to a managerless club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on June 26, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Strong rumours that Sigurdsson is joining Spurs.

There's only one reason why a player joins a club whn he doesn't even know who the manager is - money. Maybe a bullet dodged.

But how has it happened. We're still taking forever to conclude a transfer deal. It's like Parry's still there.

The owners need to get a proper CEO appointed or one of them needs to drag themselves away from Boston and their rounders team and live and work in this country. Either that or sell us to someone who will be interested full time and apply themselves permanently to the job.

I'm getting sick of absentee owners not putting in place a system that means their absenteeism isn't affecting us, which it appears to be. Afterall, we're losing out to a managerless club.

Very well put that , Tes. I completely agree and would say this absenteeism may be the biggest culprit in re-buildning a successful system that unites all parts of the club and make it more cohesive from top to bottom. This I think is the first thing that needs to happen befor we can dream about estalishing ourselves as a top-4 team again, let alone serious titlecontenders.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2012, 03:08:09 PM
With the uncertainty over Skrtel, Carragher nearing pension age and Agger showing no signs of being less breakable we ought to be looking at one or even two centre backs.

Yaroslav Rakitskiy and/or Jan Vertonghen (as his Spurs move looks to have stalled) would be a good starting point. I wouldn't want to rely on Kelly because he's as breakable as Agger and he's had no first team, top level playing time as a centre half (despite what Hodgson may have thought).

Kelly, if fit, should start getting time at centre half (if Rodgers sees that as his ultimate position) in the three cup competitions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2012, 08:04:48 PM
Spurs have £8m bid accepted for Liverpool FC target Gylfi Sigurdsson

Spurs appear to have moved ahead of Liverpool FC in the race to sign midfielder Gylfi Sigurdsson after negotiations with the Anfield club hit an impasse.

Reports in Germany claim Spurs have had an £8million bid accepted by Hoffenheim for Iceland international Sigurdsson.

Swansea City were the first club to agree terms with the German club but after manager Brendan Rodgers’ move to Liverpool FC it appeared the 22-year-old would follow the Northern Irishman - under whom he excelled in a five-month loan spell from last January - to Anfield.

However, it is understood that although the player is keen to be reunited with Brendan Rodgers, discussions have stalled due to Sigurdsson’s wage demands.

Tottenham, therefore, have emerged as an alternative destination for the former Reading midfielder who scored seven goals in 19 matches for Swansea last season and was named Premier League player of the month for March.

Hoffenheim have given Sigurdsson until Saturday to secure a move to England having allowed him extended leave after they returned to pre-season training just over a week ago.

Swansea thought they had secured the player on a permanent basis after agreeing a club-record £6.8million fee soon after the end of the season but before Sigurdsson could complete a medical their manager was lured to Liverpool FC.

Rodgers admitted he would be interested in signing the midfielder for Liverpool FC but stressed the player had to first speak to new Swansea boss Michael Laudrup.

When the prospect of him moving to the Liberty Stadium having diminished, it seemed Anfield would be his next stopping place but now it could be White Hart Lane.

Last week Hoffenheim coach Markus Babbel, himself a former Liverpool FC player, said of Gylfi Sigurdsson’s planned move: "If, by the deadline on June 30, he has done nothing then he will return to his pre-season with us.

"We have agreed this with him."

Gylfi Sigurdsson is contracted to Hoffenheim for another two years but despite impressing in his first campaign in 2010/11 he dropped down the pecking order last season, forcing his loan to Swansea.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/football-news/2012/06/26/55578-31268535/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/football-news/2012/06/26/55578-31268535/)

Anyone else think it odd that despite a good half season in the Premier League, that has us, Swansea and Spurs looking to sign him, that Hoffenheim are still willing to let him go for a shade over what they agreed with Swansea before his successful half season?
And are we offering less than Swansea did or is Sigurdsson of the opinion that having agreed to take what Swansea offered he should be entitled to more off us for some reason or have we been trying to get him on the cheap?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 26, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
And are we offering less than Swansea did or is Sigurdsson of the opinion that having agreed to take what Swansea offered he should be entitled to more off us for some reason or have we been trying to get him on the cheap?
Imo, the real b*llshit part of this was Rodgers deciding that this Icelandic lad
could wait 'til the new manager of Swansea was appointed before deciding his
future. Meanwhile, presumably his agent fished around for a better deal. Smacks
of Moores with his naive do the decent thing always approach. If you want
the player, sign him, end of...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 26, 2012, 10:13:46 PM
I understand the player was on holiday until last weekend so perhaps a deal wasn't possible. If he wants to go to a manager-less club for more money then we don't want that type of player. He's probably been bought by Levy as  replacement for Modric but I doubt he's in Modric's class so Spurs will be weaker next season. Let's hope he lives to regret the decision.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2012, 10:56:53 PM
He's probably been bought by Levy as  replacement for Modric but I doubt he's in Modric's class so Spurs will be weaker next season. Let's hope he lives to regret the decision.

That's what I've been wondering, Ray. Levy knows he's about to get a huge sum of money. Probably enough to pay both Sigurdsson's fee and contract, and then there's the saving of Modric's salary.

One thing that's bothered me about signing Sigurdsson is that we've seen him have a good half season and that's it. Apparantly he had a decent season last season for Hoffenheim so what happened this season for him to end up out on loan, and despite his performances Hoffenheim haven't looked to cash-in and massively increase the asking price. Why?
Also, half a season of good performances doesn't mean he can do it over the whole. Good half season for a newly promoted team - does it make him another Charlie Adam or Andy Carroll?
If he goes to Spurs, what does that say about the true state of his relationship with Rodgers and is his loyalty therefore questionable.

The longer this goes on the more uneasy I feel about it on many levels, concerning both the player himself and our club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
Apparently Hoffenheim have agreed a fee with Swansea, Reading and Spurs, but not us.

More questions, and so few answers.  At least we're not buying players and making instant wholesale changes, which I feel was one of Dalglish's undoings. As long as Rodgers gets the players he wants I'm fine with who we sign.
If cash is short and sensibly it could be, I'd rather the manager works with what we've got, see where that gets him and if that means keeping most of our powder dry until next Summer, whilst it's a risk, I'd rather we didn't waste funds and add to what is quite a long list of players we could do with moving on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on June 26, 2012, 11:09:19 PM
Tes, hard to know what's going on with this transfer. What is clear is that Sig has until Saturday to make his mind up. If he hasn't then he'll be expected to return to Hoffenheim for pre-season training on Monday. We'll know his destination by the weekend.

I agree that he's hardly a proven player and we could end up making another mistake. Just because he may have fitted into Swansea's team is no guarantee he will fit into ours. And until BR has had time to assess all our players he hasn't got the full picture.

The last thing we need is another Charlie Adam (of last season) although with a new manager's plans many of our players could be transformed. We're bound to get new players before the start of the season so if this Icelandic fish slips through a net I wouldn't worry unduly.
Title: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on June 27, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
Watching the Spaniards v Portugese.  Still a shocking decision to have let Meirless leave last season.  I wouldn't mind having back if it is true that he is leaving Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Watching the Spaniards v Portugese.  Still a shocking decision to have let Meirless leave last season.  I wouldn't mind having back if it is true that he is leaving Chelsea.

He'd probably be regarded as too old by FSG. Again it comes down to the length of contract and salary level he'd demand.

For too long we've paid huge salaries on long contracts to average or below average players and then been stuck with them sucking money out of the club. It's good to see us getting tougher and attempting to clear the decks whilst not adding what could turn out to be problems in the future.
Spurs have never been huge payers and they've put together a stronger squad than we have.

The days of paying premiums and taxes are over.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on June 28, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
Apparently Hoffenheim have agreed a fee with Swansea, Reading and Spurs, but not us.

More questions, and so few answers.  At least we're not buying players and making instant wholesale changes, which I feel was one of Dalglish's undoings. As long as Rodgers gets the players he wants I'm fine with who we sign.
If cash is short and sensibly it could be, I'd rather the manager works with what we've got, see where that gets him and if that means keeping most of our powder dry until next Summer, whilst it's a risk, I'd rather we didn't waste funds and add to what is quite a long list of players we could do with moving on.

I think your right Tes if Sigurdsson signs on anywhere other than at Liverpool it will raise some big questions but also might give us a few answers too.

First off if Sigurdsson is willing to choose managerless Spurs over us considering Rodgers is now managing us then I think it says more about his motivations than it says about our ambitions. I also see Sigurdsson as a gamble. Hes performed for half a season at Swansea so Im not convinced that hes an undoubted talent. If Rodgers really wants to sign him I hope we can pull off the transfer but I think the media frenzy around this deal coupled with his loan spell at Swansea have built the players talents up to be possibly more than they actually are. 

From the clubs perspective if we miss out on the player I would be a little worried. If he is a player Rodgers clearly wants and the club arent willing to pay the price for youth what does it say about the youth policy they are trying to implement or about the backing they intend to give the manager. Its one thing wanting to sign the next big thing before they become the next big thing but the reason we missed out on Ronaldo was because we wouldnt pay the million euro a season wages his signature would have commanded. We cant have it both ways, if we dont want to pay huge transfer fees for developed players we are probably going to have to pay higher wages than we would normally have for players we think could be the next Ronaldo. Otherwise we will just continue to lose out to all of the clubs above us. I suppose the hard part will be trying to decide who is worth it and who isnt.

On the transfer window in general I'm not so much worried by our lack of transfer activity to date, last season I thought we needed to do our business early but look how that turned out. Rodgers will probably assess our squad before deciding what he needs. What I am slightly concerned about is the lack of talent we are being linked with. You cant trust the press, most players linked are fabricated stories but saying that I cant remember a player linked that I actually thought would undoubtedly improve our first team. Lets hope that improves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 28, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
What I am slightly concerned about is the lack of talent we are being linked with. You cant trust the press, most players linked are fabricated stories but saying that I cant remember a player linked that I actually thought would undoubtedly improve our first team. Lets hope that improves.
Agree, I think though that we need to focus on the areas where a relatively low net spend can give
us a competitive edge i.e. since we can't realistically fork out £20 million on a player, then areas such
as the academy, scouting and sports science should be a priority.

Let's start with we have the best academy set up in the country, or the best scouting network or the top
sports science people.

Before getting involved in the manager merry-go-round, imo,  the owners should have made these things a
priority.  B*llocks to their usual vague utterances, they should have been hammering these points from the
beginning. Tbh, i have no confidence in Ian Ayre or Tom Werner and don't know what to make of Rodgers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
Agree, I think though that we need to focus on the areas where a relatively low net spend can give
us a competitive edge i.e. since we can't realistically fork out £20 million on a player, then areas such
as the academy, scouting and sports science should be a priority.

Let's start with we have the best academy set up in the country, or the best scouting network or the top
sports science people.

Before getting involved in the manager merry-go-round, imo,  the owners should have made these things a
priority.  B*llocks to their usual vague utterances, they should have been hammering these points from the
beginning. Tbh, i have no confidence in Ian Ayre or Tom Werner and don't know what to make of Rodgers.

Exactly Ed, build the club long term through the academy and excellent scouting. Create a tight group of players that have developed together. We would need to use 'the market' less the recruit, lessening the total needing to be found for transfers and the errors that can occur when spending much larger amounts 'established' players.

But like you say, we need that negotiator to hammer the deals once we find those players. Arsenal have done good business with Podolski and Giroud. Even for established players they've got themselves value. How many sub £5M players have they send during Wenger's tenure. Even Van Persie only cost £2.5M.

We still haven't got so many parts of the foundations in place. Rodgers can start the overhaul of the scouting, but ideally he needs to appoint someone who will run scouting from first team down through every age group, working with all the coaches and different scouts at all the levels and also be responsible for the hiring and firing of the scouts. It's such an important part of the club, or should be, especially as the owners aren't looking to put cash in and expect the club to be self sufficient.
It's also another source of income to swell the transfer coffers of the manager. Just think how many young players the Mancs have sold for solid sums of money over the years. We need to stop giving our young 'unsuccessfuls' away and make sure we insert sell-on clauses into every sale to if we make a semi mistake and the player 'comes good' we at least benefit financially. Again Arsenal have been good at this. Pennant cost us because Birmingham had to pay a sell-on percentage to Arsenal.

We are still lacking in so many areas with no sign that we are going to get and improvement on Ayre.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 28, 2012, 10:59:36 PM
Exactly Ed, build the club long term through the academy and excellent scouting. Create a tight group of players that have developed together. We would need to use 'the market' less the recruit, lessening the total needing to be found for transfers and the errors that can occur when spending much larger amounts 'established' players.

But like you say, we need that negotiator to hammer the deals once we find those players. Arsenal have done good business with Podolski and Giroud. Even for established players they've got themselves value. How many sub £5M players have they send during Wenger's tenure. Even Van Persie only cost £2.5M.

We still haven't got so many parts of the foundations in place. Rodgers can start the overhaul of the scouting, but ideally he needs to appoint someone who will run scouting from first team down through every age group, working with all the coaches and different scouts at all the levels and also be responsible for the hiring and firing of the scouts. It's such an important part of the club, or should be, especially as the owners aren't looking to put cash in and expect the club to be self sufficient.
It's also another source of income to swell the transfer coffers of the manager. Just think how many young players the Mancs have sold for solid sums of money over the years. We need to stop giving our young 'unsuccessfuls' away and make sure we insert sell-on clauses into every sale to if we make a semi mistake and the player 'comes good' we at least benefit financially. Again Arsenal have been good at this. Pennant cost us because Birmingham had to pay a sell-on percentage to Arsenal.

We are still lacking in so many areas with no sign that we are going to get and improvement on Ayre.

Depressing isn't it and we're not even allowed to compete in domestic cups anymore (that was the icing on the cake, imo,
what an absolutely ridiculous attitude to have toward a football club). Watching Stevie G, our once once talismanic captain,
trailing round after that freak Hodgson like an obedient dog makes me want to vomit. Dunno also if Rodgers has that ruthless
winner streak in him like Rafa, Fergie & Mourinho.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2012, 11:13:11 PM
Dunno also if Rodgers has that ruthless winner streak in him like Rafa, Fergie & Mourinho.

He's certainly got ambition and guts. It would have been easy to stay at Swansea, look to repeat this season past, accepted the plaudits for making them no one season wonder and done 'a Moyes', staying at Swansea without the pressure and expectation of actually having to win anything whilst becoming a Freeman of Swansea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
Depressing isn't it and we're not even allowed to compete in domestic cups anymore (that was the icing on the cake,

We can compete, sort of, even win it, but it all counts for nothing if we don't qualify for a competition. Not for the kudos or the chance to test youself against the cream of the continent or the chance to see top players playing against us at Anfield or experiencing some of football's other temples, but we have to qualify because of the money.
Winning, having your name inscribed in real time seconds before receiving the trophy, having your name recorded in history, none of that is as important as finishing second, third or fourth anymore.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2012, 11:36:39 PM
Dunno also if Rodgers has that ruthless
winner streak in him like Rafa, Fergie & Mourinho.

It'll be a start if it's the manager that's held firm over the wages issue if we don't sign Sigurdsson. It lays down a marker early on. His two other big tests, one should be this Summer and the other next Summer, will be Carra and Gerrard. Also to a much lesser degree but it could still cause some ripples is if he sells Spearing this Summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 29, 2012, 12:37:46 AM
He's certainly got ambition and guts. It would have been easy to stay at Swansea, look to repeat this season past, accepted the plaudits for making them no one season wonder and done 'a Moyes', staying at Swansea without the pressure and expectation of actually having to win anything whilst becoming a Freeman of Swansea.
Maybe and tbh i don't expect anything other than hard work and commitment from him. It's just the scale of the task that he
has ahead of him.

We can compete, sort of, even win it, but it all counts for nothing if we don't qualify for a competition. Not for the kudos or the chance to test youself against the cream of the continent or the chance to see top players playing against us at Anfield or experiencing some of football's other temples, but we have to qualify because of the money.
Winning, having your name inscribed in real time seconds before receiving the trophy, having your name recorded in history, none of that is as important as finishing second, third or fourth anymore.
Yeah, that's why Ayre is a complete idiot because he said in effect Kenny would have gotten the bullet even if he'd
won the FA cup. Makes no sense to me what message that sends out to the players competing in the CC & FA cup
next season. Winning trophies is why the club exists, so if the Managing Director has no time for it, then there's a problem.
I mean forget Rodgers with his philosophy of how the game should be played, winning trophies IS the philosophy at
our club (sorry, used to be  :( )

His two other big tests, one should be this Summer and the other next Summer, will be Carra and Gerrard. Also to a much lesser degree but it could still cause some ripples is if he sells Spearing this Summer.
They aint the future of the club, that's for sure  :D (Suprised Stevie is continuing with the international gig. Actually, I'm not because
he's a glory hunter (caps) and I don't have a problem with it because he's been loyal to the club. I do have a problem with him being
as influential as he is, talisman etc., and expecting to be first eleven when fit because while recognising his quality, i don't see his
influence on the pitch anymore).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on June 29, 2012, 11:00:32 AM
Agree, I think though that we need to focus on the areas where a relatively low net spend can give
us a competitive edge i.e. since we can't realistically fork out £20 million on a player, then areas such
as the academy, scouting and sports science should be a priority.

Let's start with we have the best academy set up in the country, or the best scouting network or the top
sports science people.

Agreed we do need to be looking at players who can bring us bring us some quality without necessarily commanding a huge transfer fee. Thats why Im very surprised we arent going for Luuk De Jong from Twente. Newcastle are probably going to pay around 10 million for the guy. Hes 21 and already a dutch International striker. According to any of the the ex dutch internationals hes going to be a huge player for them in the future. These were the sort of deals I thought FSG were looking to make happen.

Newcastle are looking at another shrewd piece of business by targeting the French right back. Again they dont seem to be offering huge money. This sounds crazy for a club like Liverpool but at the moment we could do worse than looking to the players Newcastle are trying to sign.

Sky Sports sources are also reporting that Sigurdsson has agreed terms with Spurs, completed his medical and will sign next week. Im not sure what that say about the cash we have, the wages we are willing to offer or what type of players we will be able to bring in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on June 29, 2012, 11:12:42 AM
It'll be a start if it's the manager that's held firm over the wages issue if we don't sign Sigurdsson. It lays down a marker early on. His two other big tests, one should be this Summer and the other next Summer, will be Carra and Gerrard. Also to a much lesser degree but it could still cause some ripples is if he sells Spearing this Summer.

That is the optimistic way to look at it alright Tes, Rodgers isnt willing to give Sigurdsson the wages hes after. What I fear though is that its the club refusing to sanction the wages. That would be a different story. I dont know I am getting a different vibe about how the owners intend to go about their business. Im starting to think that the manager will only have as much net spend as he would have under the previous owners. Thats fine if the club do significantly improve the academy and the scouting network. But if they dont we are going to struggle to get near the top 5 for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
That is the optimistic way to look at it alright Tes, Rodgers isnt willing to give Sigurdsson the wages hes after. What I fear though is that its the club refusing to sanction the wages. That would be a different story. I dont know I am getting a different vibe about how the owners intend to go about their business. Im starting to think that the manager will only have as much net spend as he would have under the previous owners. Thats fine if the club do significantly improve the academy and the scouting network. But if they dont we are going to struggle to get near the top 5 for the foreseeable future.

I think to a certain degree we are being hamstrung by the size of the contracts that have previously been handed out. Kuyt's gone, but there's still Maxi, Aquilani, Cole and Carra, all of which don't contribute enough (if anything) to warrent the salaries they are on.
We need to rid ourselves of these and of all the excess amount of players in the first and reserve team squads that are 'simply there', again offering nothing.

Without CL football our income is down. We therefore have to reduce the percentage of both income and turnover that goes out in wages. There is some major financial housekeeping to do before we can start adding more to the payroll.

We have to live within our means and FSG are trying to re-balance and re-distribute the outgoings we have so we can gain maximum return on our outgoings.

As far as Siggi goes, I'd imagine that we were offering more than he'd agreed to accept from Swansea to play under Rodgers. He would have the chance to play under Rodgers and earn more, however if Spurs have offered 50% again to what we offered, likely bringing his package to twice or even three times what he had originally been offered at Swansea, he has a major decision to make.
Spurs have previously been paying out less than we have. Levy has run a tight ship for several years and can now offer more it seems because we have got ourselves in a mess with our payroll level.
Also, he is still a young, unproven player. 1.5 seasons in the Bundesliga, 0.5 a season in the PL, and let's not forget he was playing for a permanent move. Will he reproduce the form of 6 months over the term of a 3 or 4 year contract?
He's a player with a certain amount of potential, he's not proven and he's not a player being chased by a group of the biggest names, therefore we shouldn't be looking at paying him more than circa £40k a week until he's proven himself for 2 seasons. Then we can re-evaluate his contract and he will have 'earned' it.
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on June 29, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
For the first time for as long as I can remember I'm not that worried about our lack of activity in the transfer market. It's not saying I don't think we need to strenghten our squad. I simply think Brendan is right to thouroughly evaluate the squad and how it will travel with his ideas on how footy should be played. For once I think taking things slowly and once at a time would be a wise move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 29, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
That is the optimistic way to look at it alright Tes, Rodgers isnt willing to give Sigurdsson the wages hes after. What I fear though is that its the club refusing to sanction the wages. That would be a different story. I dont know I am getting a different vibe about how the owners intend to go about their business. Im starting to think that the manager will only have as much net spend as he would have under the previous owners. Thats fine if the club do significantly improve the academy and the scouting network. But if they dont we are going to struggle to get near the top 5 for the foreseeable future.
Good point Juan, i think that's important. Rodgers appeared to get what he wanted in terms
of no DOF and his mini-bootroom plan. One wonders what the price of such a compromise was
i.e. certain restrictions on recruitment (budget), contracts, wages...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 30, 2012, 12:19:59 AM
Good point Juan, i think that's important. Rodgers appeared to get what he wanted in terms
of no DOF and his mini-bootroom plan. One wonders what the price of such a compromise was
i.e. certain restrictions on recruitment (budget), contracts, wages...

But having compromised on no DOF (something that would have cost an extra salary) and put in what was neccessary in order to get their man (at least interested) why risk him walking away or hamstringing him with a bunch of restrictions? We will have an overall budget but I don't think the name above the manager's door makes any difference.
Past administrations have saddled us with some big contracts to meet whilst getting very little return or value from those who have been gifted those contracts.
Also I think there was an initial priming put in by FSG last Summer in order to secure CL football and hence the revenue it brings. We would then continue to build and stabilise slowly with the revenue, wisely securing (through canny player recruitment and investment) our position each season and giving us the revenue to continue to keep our place in the top four. But Kenny's sort of messed it up.

I'm not sure FSG actually 'want' us to be the best once more. The cost of buying the players to get you to be 1st is far higher than the extra prize money you receive. You may or may not go further in the CL (we didn't need a PL winning squad to reach two finals in three years and neither have Chelsea this season). Whilst you may attract greater sponsorship deals and more worldwide fans (marketing opportunities) the cost of both transfer fees and wages required to win the PL on a 1 in 3 year basis even, would still not be covered by the extra revenue increase.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on June 30, 2012, 01:18:55 AM
But having compromised on no DOF (something that would have cost an extra salary) and put in what was neccessary in order to get their man (at least interested) why risk him walking away or hamstringing him with a bunch of restrictions?
Dunno, but this story (naturally it may just be bull) doesn't exactly inspire confidence:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-eye-mark-davies-the-bolton-946063

The mind boggles! & then there's Juan's point about de Jong:

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/06/29/newcastle-chiefs-head-to-holland-for-de-jong-talks-72703-31287195/#ixzz1zE1fWDYf
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 30, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
I think we're going to have to initially accept the 'individuals' the manager selects and wait until we see how the 'collective' functions, more than ever before. None of us would have been excited by any member of the Swansea squad if Dalglish had bought them last Summer.

The worry is always the standard that he chooses to go after. Whether he can set his sights higher than if he were still lokking to buy for Swansea. That's if of course the budget to do so is actually there.

The effects of Dalglish and Comolli's disasterous transfer dealings could continue to be felt until Rodgers proves that he's no Dalglish or Comolli. Until then he will be under Dalglish and Comilli's cloud, which seems harsh as a new man should always be judged favourably until he proves otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on June 30, 2012, 01:35:04 PM
70,000 quid a week for 21 year old Sigurdsson??   A lad that has scored a mere 7 goals in top flight football.

Spurs can have him.  Wonder if they'd be interested in Cole as well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on June 30, 2012, 01:53:18 PM
I think we're going to have to initially accept the 'individuals' the manager selects and wait until we see how the 'collective' functions, more than ever before. None of us would have been excited by any member of the Swansea squad if Dalglish had bought them last Summer.

The worry is always the standard that he chooses to go after. Whether he can set his sights higher than if he were still lokking to buy for Swansea. That's if of course the budget to do so is actually there.

The effects of Dalglish and Comolli's disasterous transfer dealings could continue to be felt until Rodgers proves that he's no Dalglish or Comolli. Until then he will be under Dalglish and Comilli's cloud, which seems harsh as a new man should always be judged favourably until he proves otherwise.

Good points Tes, we dont actually know how much Rodgers has to spend. Maybe we are being linked with what we would consider lesser quality cheaper players for good reason.

I think links to the likes of Davies are fabricated. Like Ed says I wouldnt be inspired if it were true. Players like Davies may have been good enough targets for Swansea but we have to be more ambitious than that. Im not looking for us to splash money on world beaters but Newcastle have shown us there are plenty of quality bargains on the continent.

Im just waiting to see this plan of FSGs to sign young up and coming quality talent take off because so far we have seen little evidence of it. Rodgers first couple of signings will be very interesting and I suppose will give us a better idea of where our finances stand. I cant see us competing with the top teams signing players like Davies though.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on June 30, 2012, 02:01:13 PM
70,000 quid a week for 21 year old Sigurdsson??   A lad that has scored a mere 7 goals in top flight football.

Spurs can have him.  Wonder if they'd be interested in Cole as well.

Agreed Dude, hes definitely unproven and if they are apparently his wages  then Spurs wont have competition for his signature.

However what Im more interested with this deal is who is calling the shots at the club. Surely the fact Rodgers is a new manager you would expect the owners to back him if he wants Sigurdsson, especially considering hes young and wont command a huge transfer fee. However if the deal is being vetoed I want to know by who. If the owners have stopped it does that mean they are going to start interfering with other future transfers. That could prove very problematic. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on June 30, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Agreed Dude, hes definitely unproven and if they are apparently his wages  then Spurs wont have competition for his signature.

However what Im more interested with this deal is who is calling the shots at the club. Surely the fact Rodgers is a new manager you would expect the owners to back him if he wants Sigurdsson, especially considering hes young and wont command a huge transfer fee. However if the deal is being vetoed I want to know by who. If the owners have stopped it does that mean they are going to start interfering with other future transfers. That could prove very problematic. Just a thought.

That's the crux of it. From what we know Siggi agreed a package with Swansea, and a price was agreed with Hoffenheim, the contract just needed signing.

Then Rodgers leaves and comes to us. Siggi is quoted as saying he wants to work with Rodgers.

Here's the speculation: Rodgers will know the 'sort of package' Swansea agreed even though it's doubtful that he would have been the one to negotiate it.
Siggi wants to work with Rodgers so the club make an enquiry. The wage demanded of us appears to be far in excess of the one that Siggi agreed to accept to play for Swansea, even though he apparently wants to work with Rodgers.
If you were Rodgers what would you do? Think 'hang on a minute, you agreed to x at Swansea, now you want 3x because it's Liverpool'.

The fact that it never got to a point where we looked to negotiate a fee seems to point to us being 'strongly' put off by the wage demand. Now we don't know who it was who was put off the most, but Rodgers can't be feeling too good towards Siggi if the wages demanded of us were so much more than what he'd agreed to at Swansea.

Football is littered with players negotiating a move to a 'larger' club and then expecting wages far, far in excess of what they were previously being paid.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
From: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/destination-unknown-for-sigurdsson-family-as-indemand-gylfi-plots-his-next-move-7901840.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/destination-unknown-for-sigurdsson-family-as-indemand-gylfi-plots-his-next-move-7901840.html)

"Sigurdsson arrived at Reading on trial in 2005 with a mission to follow in the footsteps of fellow Icelandic stars Ivar Ingimarsson and Brynjar Gunnarsson.

Steve Coppell's scouting team was then headed by none other than Brian McDermott. Four years later, and by coincidence, the now Royals chief had the chance to work with Sigurdsson in the first team after Rodgers was sacked just six months into the job.

Sigurdsson, who had undertaken loan spells at Shrewsbury Town and Crewe Alexandra, took off, scoring 21 goals in 44 games that season as Reading reached the FA Cup quarter-finals and narrowly missed out on the Championship play-offs.

By the end of the season he was voted the club's player of the season, but then Hoffenheim called in August 2010 and offered Reading a fee in the region of £6.5million.

After a good start in Germany, scoring ten goals in just 13 starts, injury curtailed his first season in the Bundesliga. In truth, he found it hard to get back into the starting team until Rodgers called to set up his loan move to Wales in January, where he didn't look back with seven goals in 18 appearances for the Swans.



He seems very 'stop, start'. Scored in a burst initially for Hoffenheim but couldn't replicate that form on his return from injury. New start on loan at Swansea and he does the same.

There seems to be a big gap between his flying start at Hoffenheim and going on loan for the second half of last season, at least half the 2010/11 season and then the first half of the 2011/12 season.

So would Swansea be the burst and then he 'continues' with us having lost the momentum and form or will we get a good half season or season followed by a 'drop off' when he can't achieve a starting place and becomes just another making up the squad numbers.

Maybe he'd maintain his form in a settled enviroment or would we suffer if he picks up an injury of some sort like at Hoffenheim?

Whoever he signs for will be his fourth club in 4 seasons. That and his inconsistent runs of form mean it's sensible not to offer him wages in the 60k-90k bracket but in the 20k-45k bracket and let him prove he's worth more over two seasons.

Apparently, we haven't been able to agree a fee with Hoffenheim for some reason. It's rumoured because they are asking for much more than they had agreed with Swansea.

What is apparent is that clubs and players appear to ask for more when we're involved than for example when Spurs and Arsenal are.
We have a long held reputation of paying out large fees (unlike Arsenal) and top end salaries (unlike Spurs with their sensible salary cap).
Clubs and players appear not to try it on with those two, clubs with fees when Arsenal are involved and players with salaries (especially) when Spurs are involved.

Spurs, under Levy, have reigned in their spending, and now have a reputation for paying mid-level fees and wages. A policy which has still seen them attract some top players and be more successful in the last 3 seasons than us, whilst their policy has been running for longer and becoming more established.
In other words, it hasn't affected them.

We need to become a club that has a reputation for producing it's own like Ajax, Barcelona, West Ham (have done in the past), paying 'value for money' fees like Arsenal, having a lower (than now), unbreakable wage structure (like Spurs) and gaining maximum value when selling (like Arsenal and Barca) - asking absolute top money for players other clubs want (but we don't want to sell), inserting buy back clauses in the better youngsters we sell and inserting sell-on clauses in every player we sell, no matter their age or at least all the under 30s.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on July 02, 2012, 10:27:15 PM
I'd be a very very happy man if we could get Adam Johnson. He'd be great for us. Trust me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 02, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
I'd be a very very happy man if we could get Adam Johnson. He'd be great for us. Trust me.

For no more than £7.5M, then yes. He needs to apply himself much more, both on and off the pitch and leave the nightlife until he's retired. If he's not carefully he'll look back and think 'what if?', especially when he finally gains some maturity.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 03, 2012, 02:59:22 AM
For no more than £7.5M, then yes. He needs to apply himself much more, both on and off the pitch and leave the nightlife until he's retired. If he's not carefully he'll look back and think 'what if?', especially when he finally gains some maturity.
Dunno, look at Spurs. Despite the millions spent by Redknapp, they didn't have proper striker
last season and took Adebayor on loan. I hate to see us dishing out 4 year contracts to players
(£7.5 M is probably half of what City would be looking for) who then come and think finishing 8th
is good enough. What has Johnson done to justify us forking out for him?

I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on July 03, 2012, 07:04:00 AM
For no more than £7.5M, then yes. He needs to apply himself much more, both on and off the pitch and leave the nightlife until he's retired. If he's not carefully he'll look back and think 'what if?', especially when he finally gains some maturity.

True, but I think a change of environment and culture might do him a world of good. I always liked his direct and straightforward play, the anti-thesis of Luis Garcia some might say.  He had 26 games in the PL for City last season, tho admittedly most from the bench. Still think we'll need to cough up at least £ 10 m.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2012, 10:47:08 AM
Ed and Martin. I have no doubt City 'will look' for much more than £7.5M. He had the talent and potential at Boro, and was head and shoulders above Downing.

Like Martin, I feel somehow he has lost his way and is probably starting to understand that he is somewhat to blame for his stagnation. Of the top teams we are probably best placed to offer him a new start and Rodgers is not the sort to let people act like fools.

We also have to keep an eye on the quota of 'homegrown' players and he is one who really could make a difference despite his nationality.

Everything depends on the fee and his wage demands. If he has sense he accepts a cut in order to give himself a new start and then look to 'earn' the bigger money contract through his performances.
We as a club do review and increase contracts on a regular basis and not just at the 'two years to go' point if the player has deserved it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 03, 2012, 11:01:14 AM
I wouldn't have Adam Johnston around the place (no matter how cheap he was).......a poor man's stewart downing.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2012, 11:04:49 AM
I wouldn't have Adam Johnston around the place (no matter how cheap he was).......a poor man's stewart downing.

Dude, when both were together at Boro it was Downing who was in the shade. Johnson needs a new start. He has the potential to be more than a mere winger, and if we are to play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 then we're going to need wide forward players not just traditional wingers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 03, 2012, 11:15:23 AM
I've never seen anything about Adam Johnston that I liked, Tes.

There was potential there, but that is all that it ever was.

The guy is 25 in two weeks time.  He was not even selected for the England Euro squad this summer......which is a terrible indictment, given how dire the quality was in the squad that was picked.

Technique wise, we need to look abroad.  English lads just don't cut the mustard, sadly.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2012, 12:29:30 PM
The manager takes to the airwaves:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/120703/brendan-rodgers-luis-suarez-and-liverpools-transfer-plans-175723 (http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/120703/brendan-rodgers-luis-suarez-and-liverpools-transfer-plans-175723)

I hope he's not looking at a big turnover of 1st team players despite the obvious need. 2 in, maximum and 2 younger players who could force their way in by the end of the season. Anything more and we risk the inconsistency of trying to blend too many new faces into a system that is new to everyone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 03, 2012, 10:23:22 PM
Adam Johnson is going to cost 15-20 million. Hes young, English and perceived to have potential so that makes his valuation a premium. So unless we are getting him in on loan I cant see it happening. He fits the criteria of being better than what we probably already have but I would be sceptical whether he would be worth the transfer outlay.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 03, 2012, 10:58:38 PM
The manager takes to the airwaves:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/120703/brendan-rodgers-luis-suarez-and-liverpools-transfer-plans-175723 (http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/120703/brendan-rodgers-luis-suarez-and-liverpools-transfer-plans-175723)

I hope he's not looking at a big turnover of 1st team players despite the obvious need. 2 in, maximum and 2 younger players who could force their way in by the end of the season. Anything more and we risk the inconsistency of trying to blend too many new faces into a system that is new to everyone.

Its often easy to be impressed when a new manager comes into the club. Heck I found Hodgson a breath of fresh air in his first two months in charge and after that car crash ended it was impossible not to be impressed by Kennys return. Its too early in Rodgers reign to form much of an opinion and to be honest no matter what he says or does early he has to be afforded time by the fans and by the owners. 

Saying that in the interview above it does sound like Rodgers has grasped the idea that Liverpool dont just need to sign good players but they moreso need to sign players that are better than whats already there. That seems like a simple concept but its not one that has really been adhered to over the last few seasons. Rodgers suggests he will look to sign 3 or 4 players in the window. In fairness with the players that are coming back 3-4 players will probably be more than sufficient. It finally seems the likes of Cole and Aquillani might have a future at the club. Id sooner have them at the club than paying half their wages to play for someone else. And the fact that they are technically decent players may mean they can contribute more than they would have done under previous regimes. Daniel Pachecos another Id love to see Rodgers make something of. Hes has undoubted technical ability but for some reason he hasnt progressed enough over the last 2 years. Hopefully Rodgers can change that.

Its going to be an interesting season but I dont think we should expect to challenge anywhere above 6th. If we could be in the running for the CL places it would be a miracle especially considering the amounts spent by Chelsea and Arsenal already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Its going to be an interesting season but I dont think we should expect to challenge anywhere above 6th. If we could be in the running for the CL places it would be a miracle especially considering the amounts spent by Chelsea and Arsenal already.

At this very early stage it looks like the two Manc teams, Chelsea and Arsenal, with us fighting it out with Spurs and Newcastle for fifth or the hope that one of the other four massively under achieve.

Juan, it's interesting that we potentially have those three you mentioned to come back though whether Aquilani will stay I have my doubts. I agree with you that they would suit Rodgers intended style of play, going forward at least. Whether they can be motivated to do the hard work aspect of his style I'm less confident about.

I agree with you that looking at our last three seasons, to expect a challenge for fourth would just be plain daft. I think that will have to wait until next season at the earliest.

We have to be brutally realistic, as the reality is brutal, as to just how far we have fallen in the last three seasons. We're now the sort of points distance off fourth that we used to moan about being off first when we regularly qualified for the CL.

As for the amounts spent by Chelsea and Arsenal, we could say the same about ourselves last Summer, working purely on the figures.
There is always the possibility that those players could flop and then there's always the chance that RVP will leave Arsenal, they won't have Benyoun, Arteta could revert to his normal brittle self etc.
With Chelsea there's the question over Di Matteo. Did the same thing happen for Chelsea that happened for us when Dalglish took over, ie he simply wasn't the previous manager, and will the same thing happen in a full season?

All we can ask for is that Rodgers gets it right with his sales and purchases, we get the bigger earners who contribute next to or nothing permanently off the payroll and we see the basis of the style of play Rodgers wants starting to take shape and we improve on our goals scored and our home form and a noticeable increase in our points tally. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 03, 2012, 11:49:21 PM
As for the amounts spent by Chelsea and Arsenal, we could say the same about ourselves last Summer, working purely on the figures.
There is always the possibility that those players could flop and then there's always the chance that RVP will leave Arsenal, they won't have Benyoun, Arteta could revert to his normal brittle self etc.
With Chelsea there's the question over Di Matteo. Did the same thing happen for Chelsea that happened for us when Dalglish took over, ie he simply wasn't the previous manager, and will the same thing happen in a full season?

All we can ask for is that Rodgers gets it right with his sales and purchases, we get the bigger earners who contribute next to or nothing permanently off the payroll and we see the basis of the style of play Rodgers wants starting to take shape and we improve on our goals scored and our home form and a noticeable increase in our points tally.

I think Chelsea will have a much stronger, younger core this year. Some of the disruption caused by Drogbas presence will be gone and player power will probably have dwindled in the dressing room. So it should mean a stronger season in the league. But I agree re Di Matteo, Im unconvinced. I actually think he could be gone by February. The problem is I think they will have Guardiola lined up.

Agreed re Arsenal also. Theres no guarantees their signings will workout and who knows where their goals will come from if RVP leaves but then again history has shown they generally put in a lame title charge that falters but always finish in the top 4. So I cant see next year being any different.

For us this year has to be about laying the foundations for a successful future.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2012, 03:06:05 PM
Sigurdsson confirmed as a taker of Spurs' gold. Strange how he confessed to wanting to work with Rodgers yet ends up at the opposite end of the country.

A sceptic could question whether he's put cash ahead of football.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2012, 03:18:59 PM
Sigurdsson confirmed as a taker of Spurs' gold. Strange how he confessed to wanting to work with Rodgers yet ends up at the opposite end of the country.

A sceptic could question whether he's put cash ahead of football.

Lets just hope hes gone for the money, to live in London or because he personally sees Spurs as the better footballing option.

I will have a problem if Rodgers wanted to sign him but the board refused to sanction the transfer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 04, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
looks like we dodged a bullet in missing out on Sigurdsson.

reading between the lines (like Tes said the other day), it sounds like Rodgers quickly realised that the Icelandic lad was playing the field....and trying to get an auction going (re wages).  Thus we stopped our interest abruptly a week or two back.

massive risk for Spurs.....no doubt a big 3 or 4 year contract.  We as a club, know all about being unable to get high wage non-playing staff off our books.

I wish they;d take Cole too.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2012, 06:18:59 PM
He's had a very hit and miss career so far. It'll be interesting to see if he hits the ground running and keeps up his 'Swansea form' or ends up like he did at Hoffenheim, where he came back from injury and sunk without a trace (the reason he was at Swansea in the first place) after starting off with a bang at Hoffenheim.

Interestingly, even after his good half season at Swansea, Hoffenheim made no attempt to keep him. Makes you wonder why.

Rodgers may decide to keep buys to a minimum, instead concentrating on clearing the decks and getting the wage bill down.
He's already got a squad of players he's got to work with to get them to learn a new style of play without having too many editions settling into the club in addition to learning on the playing side.
Pre-season is going to be dis-jointed with the Euros, the Olympics and the early start to the season with us playing UEFA Cup qualifiers on 2nd & 9th August.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 04, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
I'd be a very very happy man if we could get Adam Johnson. He'd be great for us. Trust me.

Adam Johnson is shine-a-light. You talk about Stewart Downing being shine-a-light. Well Johnson is shine-a-light plus has zero game intelligence. Man C will want stupid money. Rather spend that cash on a Muniain or a Navas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 04, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
P.s. Apart from the £70,000 per week Sigurdsson will get a spurs, I know for a fact one of the attractions of going to spurs was that in the future he will be able to play for his boyhood club Man U.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2012, 10:36:40 PM
P.s. Apart from the £70,000 per week Sigurdsson will get a spurs, I know for a fact one of the attractions of going to spurs was that in the future he will be able to play for his boyhood club Man U.

Interesting that you mention that, as I had wondered, though discarded the idea, that his initial enthusiasm to play for Rodgers seeming to then turn into apparent reluctance, had anything to do with his Manc fandom.

The longer this has gone on the more it just seems like a bullet, at least in our case, has been dodged. I'm sure he'll prove to be a valuable addition for Spurs, but because it's Spurs and not us, and we wouldn't have enjoyed the same benefit.

Seems like Levy has put him right at the very limit of Spurs' payscale. Is he really that big a player? 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2012, 11:08:50 PM
P.s. Apart from the £70,000 per week Sigurdsson will get a spurs, I know for a fact one of the attractions of going to spurs was that in the future he will be able to play for his boyhood club Man U.

In an interview hes using AVB as one of the reasons he joined the club. Thats even though he was reported to have chosen Spurs two weeks ago and AVB was appointed this week.

Hes obviously got faith in own ability and if it doesnt work out at Spurs I really hope hes never given the opportunity to join us again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2012, 11:13:17 PM
Would you take this guy into your team for a year? Sky are reporting his contract has been cancelled. It goes against FSGs supposed recruitment policy but I would have him in the team for a season if he could prove his fitness.

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/seriea/story/diego-forlan-to-leave-inter-milan-in-summer-070412

Diego Forlan will leave Inter Milan this summer, according to the club's technical director, Marco Branca.

The Uruguay international joined the Nerazzurri last summer from Atletico Madrid but endured a frustrating injury-plagued campaign.

Brazilian side Internacional have expressed an interest in signing Forlan provided the striker terminates his contract with Inter, which runs until June 2013.

"With regards to Forlan we are close to agreeing to cancel his contract," Branca said to Gazzetta dello Sport.

The 33-year-old Forlan, who is also a reported target of Corinthians, scored two goals in 22 appearances for Inter last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2012, 11:24:12 PM
In an interview hes using AVB as one of the reasons he joined the club. Thats even though he was reported to have chosen Spurs two weeks ago and AVB was appointed this week.

Hes obviously got faith in own ability and if it doesnt work out at Spurs I really hope hes never given the opportunity to join us again.

Funny that wasn't it Juan. He was reported to be thinking about Spurs long before AVB was even linked with the job.

Anyone would think that it was AVB or Spurs that had rescued him from his Hoffenheim Hell, yet curiously neither Spurs or Chelsea were even linked with him last January.
Funny how a large contract seems to mess with the memory. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
United are already being credited with lining up a bid for RVP.

Whats worrying for us is that Arsenal can provide Champions League football and its still not enough to keep their top player. Unless top players are winning trophies every season and earning 200k a week are they going to continue to leave the likes of Arsenal, ourselves and Spurs and opt to sign for the likes of City.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2012, 11:37:26 PM
Funny that wasn't it Juan. He was reported to be thinking about Spurs long before AVB was even linked with the job.

Anyone would think that it was AVB or Spurs that had rescued him from his Hoffenheim Hell, yet curiously neither Spurs or Chelsea were even linked with him last January.
Funny how a large contract seems to mess with the memory.

Its hard not to feel a little bitter but as Dude says maybe Sigurssons a bullet dodged. Listening to his reasoning he is clearly motivated by money because ultimately hes chosen a managerless club over us. He was joining Spurs no matter who was in charge.

What hurts though is that it shows how far we have fallen as a club. Rodgers job is massive and Im sceptical about the financial backing hes going to receive.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 04, 2012, 11:44:49 PM
Its hard not to feel a little bitter but as Dude says maybe Sigurssons a bullet dodged. Listening to his reasoning he is clearly motivated by money because ultimately hes chosen a managerless club over us. He was joining Spurs no matter who was in charge.

What hurts though is that it shows how far we have fallen as a club. Rodgers job is massive and Im sceptical about the financial backing hes going to receive.

i think he's keeping his powder dry, Juan.

I saw a quote from Brendan on Monday, where he said to pay no heed to all the players he is being linked to (he pretty much said the lads we were being linked to, were journeymen).

he said finding 3 or 4 players to enhance the group that he already has, was not an easy job.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2012, 10:05:24 PM
Its hard not to feel a little bitter but as Dude says maybe Sigurssons a bullet dodged. Listening to his reasoning he is clearly motivated by money because ultimately hes chosen a managerless club over us. He was joining Spurs no matter who was in charge.

What hurts though is that it shows how far we have fallen as a club. Rodgers job is massive and Im sceptical about the financial backing hes going to receive.

An individual's character flaw of greed shouldn't be used to judge us with. I agree with your other point. I'm not sure there will be the required amount of finance available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 06, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
The fact that we wont have much finance Id love to see this guy be given the chance to be heavily involved. Technically hes a quality player, his attitude is good and I think with the lack of quality alternatives we need to try and integrate this guy and his experience into the team / squad. In fairness he could have taken an easy gig back at West Ham or the likes in London but he went to Lille and has got game time under his belt. I hope Rodgers can find room for him because for me hes far more deserving than players like Spearing.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/cole-i-want-to-prove-myself

Joe Cole today spoke of his determination to show Liverpool fans exactly what he's capable of this season after admitting: "I have something to prove to them."

Having spent the 2011-12 campaign on loan at French club Lille, the 30-year-old returned to Melwood earlier this week to begin pre-season training with the Reds under new manager Brendan Rodgers.

Cole is relishing the prospect of being a part of an exciting new era at Anfield - and insists he's eager to show supporters he has plenty to offer to the cause.

"It's great to be back," the playmaker told Liverpoolfc.com. "It's a clean slate for everyone, so I'm delighted to be back. Training has been good - and it's nice to be back in England and nice to be back in Liverpool."

Cole was one of Europe's most wanted footballers two summers ago when he left Chelsea on a free transfer.

Liverpool beat competition from a number of other elite clubs to land his signature, though a red card on his Barclays Premier League debut for the club against Arsenal set the tone for a season disrupted by injury.

Asked whether he felt he had something to prove to Liverpool fans, Cole replied: "Of course. I don't want to leave Liverpool one day having not been a success here or having left something here. I want to make an imprint at the club.

"I've been a success at West Ham, Chelsea and Lille - I don't want people to be able to say that I haven't here.

"I'd like to be given the opportunity to play, learn and improve, and join this great team. It's a great group and I would like to be involved in this team and really push on."

Cole continued: "If I get given a chance to play, I'll always give my best and give everything I've got to the team. I came here for one reason - because I wanted to be a part of the resurgence of this club.

"It excited me coming here because I knew what a big club it was with a rich history and I wanted to be part of something. I still do. The fire still burns in me to be a part of it - I want to be part of this club moving in the right direction.

"Obviously when I came here, I was sent off in my first game and had a few little niggly injury problems. I think I only played something like 700-odd minutes of Premier League football in that season, so it was a tough season for me - by far and away the worst season in my career because I didn't get going.

"I'd like to improve on that. I'd like to be a part of this great club, this team and everything about it - the city and everything."

Cole's time at Lille was undeniably a success, as he notched four goals and several assists in 27 appearances to help Les Dogues secure a Champions League berth.

The Liverpool No.10 believes the time spent in Ligue 1 has ensured he's returned to Melwood a better all-around footballer.

He said: "I loved it (in France). It was a risk and a gamble to come away from the Premier League - I'd never been away (before), but I went with my family to experience something new.

"I loved the football and we had a successful season. The prerogative was for us to finish third and we managed that. It was a good group of lads and a good team at Lille.

"I'd always wanted to play abroad and sometimes you think the chance to do so at a good level may have passed by, but it was great and I really enjoyed the experience."

Cole continued: "I would hope (I've returned to Liverpool a better player) because I am all about that. I love my football, I love training and I love learning - and I did learn a lot out there. It opened my eyes to a new way of approaching football and the continental way. I really loved the style of play we had - not many teams in the Premier League use it.

"I'm always trying to learn, pick up new things and improve myself. What else are you going to do? I strive to get better every day."

After the conclusion of his spell in France, Cole spent time in Spain to recharge ahead of his return to Merseyside.

With the post-season break now over for many, Cole joined his Liverpool teammates at Melwood on Wednesday to begin preparations for 2012-13 - and he admits to feeling right back at home.

"I've slipped straight back in as though I've never been gone," he said. "I've got a lot of friends here and I love all of the people at the club. Sometimes you can get a bit of a feeling coming back to a club that maybe things have changed, but I've just come straight back in.

"What I did miss in France was being around the banter and the English players and everyone around the (training) ground.

"The one thing you miss as a player if you haven't got it is just having a little bit of banter every day. I'm loving being able to do that again.

"I can't wait for the new season. I've had the longest rest I've ever had off in my career, but I started getting itchy feet after about three weeks!

"There is nothing better than being a footballer. There are millions of men who'd love to be in my position - and I genuinely just love it (being a footballer).

"People used to say as you get older, you get other things in your life such as your family and football becomes less important, but for me I love it more and more. I can't get enough - I dread the day I have to hang my boots up!"

Cole may have only been back at Liverpool for a matter of days, but the England international believes he can already sense what could be the start of something special.

He reflected: "It feels different. You have to remember, I've only been at Liverpool one season, really, but this is the third manager I've played for. It does feel different this time - it feels like it's ready to go. "

"The fans will stick with us and we can do it all together - we can get the club back to where it should be."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2012, 09:16:55 PM
I'd rather we paid him to play for us than contribute towards his salary for someone else to get any benefit.

Hopefully maturity and his year abroad will allow him to focus his undoubted talent and be productive.

Depending on where Gerrard plays but if it's central of the three then Cole could get plenty of time playing there each time Gerrard breaks down.

We've lost Kuyt, Gerrard doesn't have the true discipline needed to play deep or the fitness to make forward runs from deep and get himself back in position and one of his most productive seasons was when he played wide right.

So that's wide right sorted, just some cover needed.  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2012, 09:32:38 PM
I'd rather Rodgers spent nothing this Summer than go blundering in buying and selling Rednapp style, trying to make a name for himself, before he's seen what he can do with what we've got. Some players respond better to some managers than others.
Maybe he could be a Raffa to Torres with some of the squad.

I'm not buying into the idea he's some sort of 'super manager' or that he can make a radley from a curley tailed creature's aural orifice but just that he may get one or two playing in a way or to a style that suits them better than any previous manager they've played under at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 07, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
We are being linked with an interesting young trio. Its hard to tell which is true, false or agent talk but one thing is for sure I doubt we are going for all 3.

Caughtoffside are reporting from a number of twitter sources that Liverpool will sign Gaston Ramirez of Bologna at the weekend. Dont really know much about this guy other than hes Uruguayan, young and attack minded.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/07/07/liverpool-set-to-complete-15-8m-signing-of-serie-a-youngster-gaston-ramirez/

The Telegraph are reporting we are close to signing Fabio Borini. Dont know anything about this guy either. You would question though why either of the two italian teams who co own the guy would let him go for 7 million if he was any use.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9382716/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-steps-up-negotiations-to-make-Roma-striker-Fabio-Borini-his-first-signing.html

Lastly we are being linked to Sturridge this weekend. Decent player, potential to be very good but not a favourite of Di Matteo if last season is anything to go by. Ive a feeling his agent is attempting to drum up interest in this one. Actually it could be that goal.com are having a slow news day.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/07/07/3225281/liverpool-leading-tottenham-in-race-to-sign-unsettled

Just seeing one more. Sky are reporting that Junior Hoillets agent has been contacted by five premier league clubs and Liverpool was one of them. For whatever reason Boroussia Munchengladbach (excsuse the spelling) are still favourites to sign him.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7879869/Germans-still-in-pole-for-Hoilett
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2012, 07:54:01 PM
The Telegraph are reporting we are close to signing Fabio Borini. Dont know anything about this guy either. You would question though why either of the two italian teams who co own the guy would let him go for 7 million if he was any use.

The Telegraph are way behind events on this. Parma and Roma did have joint ownership but they had a blind auction each for the remaining 50% they didn't own. Roma won it bidding €4.9M to Parma's €4.26M. The result was announced on June 23rd.
Roma have no intention of selling whereas Parma would have sold to us after letting Borini go out on loan to Roma last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2012, 09:17:07 PM
been watching that Telegraph article since it was published last night. 

The comments below must have the writer and the Telegraph staff and owners totally embarrassed and soiling their trousers.

The comment writers (i.e. Liverpool fans) clearly know far more than the Telegraph journalist, about the Borini story.  Cringeworthy. 

The type of lazy rubbish *journalism* that newspapers got away with for decades is now gone.    There are too many specific forums out there now, not to mention twitter and facebook, that quickly allow fans to be kept well ahead of the papers on stories.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 07, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
The story wasn't written by the usual journo who covers LFC - Chris Bascombe. He's probably on holiday. It's like stories in the Mirror. Unless they're written by David Maddocks I pay no attention.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2012, 09:35:59 PM
totally agree, Ray.

Bascombe and Maddock are journalists with sources, thus one always takes their stories as near gospel.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 07, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Bascombe and Maddock are the two worst Liverpool news journos in the media. Bascombe is an idiot who sold his soul to News of the World and hated Rafa and Maddock continually gets things wrong and basically has no clue.

Only LFC journos I trust and so should you are Tony Barrett and Rory Smith from the Times and Ben Smith from BBC.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 07, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
Interesting to hear opinions from the inside. It was a pity Rory Smith jumped ship from the Telegraph and of course now that The Times is behind a paywall very few get to read their stories.

Of course we have our own source within the club. Got anything to tell us Edward?  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 08, 2012, 03:22:02 AM
The lad Borini...c'mon 21 hardly someone to wet the knickers over! Granted
he appears in the poacher mould, something it could be argued we need a bit of
but ffs it's not like we're being linked with Fernando Torres here.

Dunno if the brief is, sign cheap (gems depending on your opinion) talent to plug gaps
in the squad. Bit risky imo 'cos it kindof ties these signings to the managers' vision of
things which leaves us a bit high and dry (or on the pig's back) depending. We all
remember Hodgson's gap fillers...

Anyway, s'pose we should give the gaffer his head and wait for him to be proved wise
after the fact. My worry is that if you stock the squad with mediocrity, then you end up
with mediocre results, what i expected was a 2nd wave of investment to complement
last Summers work, somewhere along the line it appears i missed a memo or two... :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 08, 2012, 04:22:10 PM
Anyway, s'pose we should give the gaffer his head and wait for him to be proved wise
after the fact. My worry is that if you stock the squad with mediocrity, then you end up
with mediocre results, what i expected was a 2nd wave of investment to complement
last Summers work, somewhere along the line it appears i missed a memo or two... :)

Likewise Ed I expected another wave of investment. It still might come this summer but as I said in another post I get a different vibe from the owners this summer. I dont think there will be anymore splash outs. I was never expecting Man City or Chelsea style transfer fees being paid but quality costs. If the club are not willing to follow up signings like Suarez with players of the same type of quality I dont know how we will compete long term. The owners have spent 40 million net over 3 transfer windows and we are now into transfer window 4. The top clubs are paying that for one player in every transfer window.

Dalglish was very unlucky losing Lucas last season. Suarezgate didnt help either but if we lose that bit of top quality we have for any length of time during the year our squad is no better than the also rans.

We are being linked with a 6 million pound move for Clint Dempsey. Im yet to see much evidence of Henrys vision of buying top young talent. I wonder if he realised when buying the club that top young players command heavy transfer fees too.

Chelsea seem to have done some great business already 32 million for hazzard, I accept we could never pay that but they also bought Marin for 7 million from Bremen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 08, 2012, 07:50:49 PM
Likewise Ed I expected another wave of investment. It still might come this summer but as I said in another post I get a different vibe from the owners this summer. I dont think there will be anymore splash outs. I was never expecting Man City or Chelsea style transfer fees being paid but quality costs. If the club are not willing to follow up signings like Suarez with players of the same type of quality I dont know how we will compete long term. The owners have spent 40 million net over 3 transfer windows and we are now into transfer window 4. The top clubs are paying that for one player in every transfer window.

Dalglish was very unlucky losing Lucas last season. Suarezgate didnt help either but if we lose that bit of top quality we have for any length of time during the year our squad is no better than the also rans.

We are being linked with a 6 million pound move for Clint Dempsey. Im yet to see much evidence of Henrys vision of buying top young talent. I wonder if he realised when buying the club that top young players command heavy transfer fees too.

Chelsea seem to have done some great business already 32 million for hazzard, I accept we could never pay that but they also bought Marin for 7 million from Bremen.
Agree. There doesn't appear to be a coherent vision (is it any wonder with baseball owners
& Ian Ayre in charge).

Worst case scenario, we bring in (for arguments sake call them) mediocre-ish players on
4 year contracts, fail to qualify for the Champions league and then tbh i'd begin to wonder
about the ambition of our senior/star players if they weren't hightailing it out of the club
next Summer leaving us with the mediocre players...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 08, 2012, 10:26:00 PM
I've said it several times in the past that my worry was that there would be that initial investment that was supposed to see us qualify for the CL, then the extra money from that would see us cement our place there by adding one or two quality signings each year.

But my worry after last Summer was that Dalglish had spent that initial investment, it hadn't worked out and there'd be no more this Summer.

I am starting to be concerned that either that is the case or that Rodgers will have to 'prove himself' in the transfer market this Summer before being 'trusted' with more money next Summer, as the owners have been 'spooked' by Dalglish and Commoli's lavish spending on mediocrity.

The thing the owners really need to understand is that there is no cheap option in football. In American sport things are arranged in such a way as to try and even things out as much as possible and if the owners aren't bothered about winning in a sporting sense, they can at least win in a financial sense.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 09, 2012, 02:45:46 AM
I've said it several times in the past that my worry was that there would be that initial investment that was supposed to see us qualify for the CL, then the extra money from that would see us cement our place there by adding one or two quality signings each year.

But my worry after last Summer was that Dalglish had spent that initial investment, it hadn't worked out and there'd be no more this Summer.

I am starting to be concerned that either that is the case or that Rodgers will have to 'prove himself' in the transfer market this Summer before being 'trusted' with more money next Summer, as the owners have been 'spooked' by Dalglish and Commoli's lavish spending on mediocrity.

The thing the owners really need to understand is that there is no cheap option in football. In American sport things are arranged in such a way as to try and even things out as much as possible and if the owners aren't bothered about winning in a sporting sense, they can at least win in a financial sense.

 
Agree Tes.

Rafa insisted on quality (expensive signings) got some bargains Arbeloa (£2 million) and signed some dross.

I would be wary of moving too far from that formula if the idea is to compete in the upper echelons of the league.

Certainly the policy of signing young (early 20s) talent for relatively inexpensive sums is a sound policy but requires a
seriously kick ass scouting set up. Again the academy should be contributing to this model going back even
further to the development of 14/16 year olds. My point is that it takes years to implement these ideas and
wonder whether they sit comfortably with the short term goal of CL qualification. The likes of Reina, Skrtel, Agger,
Johnson, Lucas and more recently Suarez are perhaps entitled to feel (if we don't get CL) heading into a WC
year that the project at LFC doesn't fit their career ambitions and because Ayre, Werner are such idiots it's
basically down to the cult of personality of the manager to avoid a mass exodus. Basically Rodgers has to hit
the ground running and take a team that finished 8th and break into the top 4 in his first season in charge.
My fear is we could end up like O'Neill (another energetic Northern Irishman) under Lerner at Villa and hit a perennial
glass ceiling of 6th  :(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
I've said it several times in the past that my worry was that there would be that initial investment that was supposed to see us qualify for the CL, then the extra money from that would see us cement our place there by adding one or two quality signings each year.

But my worry after last Summer was that Dalglish had spent that initial investment, it hadn't worked out and there'd be no more this Summer.
 

If the American owners felt a 40 million investment in transfers would guarantee a return to the Champions League then they must have been very badly advised by someone before they bought the club.

The scary thing about it is I dont think theres a figure anymore that can be thrown at a squad that will guarantee anything in this league or Europe for that matter. Look at how long and how much it took Chelsea to win the Champions League. Likewise look how much it cost Man City just to get into the Champions League places.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if your concerns over this summers transfer kity will come to fruition Tes or whether the owners will make good on their promise that there is always money available for top young talent. In fairness Spurs looked to be having an awful time last summer and at the very end of the window they signed Parker and Adeybeyor.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 11:10:52 AM
My fear is we could end up like O'Neill (another energetic Northern Irishman) under Lerner at Villa and hit a perennial
glass ceiling of 6th  :(

I think what the likes of O'Neil and even Wenger prove is that a manager can only take a team so far, as you say Ed a glass ceiling of 6th for Villa under O'Neil and at the moment 3rd/4th for Arsenal under Wenger. Its very hard to break that plateau without the addition of some real quality after that. Even a team like Barcelona who have produced so many top talents at their academy have consistently needed to add real quality to the team from outside the club season after season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 11:16:21 AM
The Ramirez deal seems to be very much agent driven. There doesnt seem to be any real interest anymore from our side.

Clint Dempsey is not apparently a target either.

Aquillani could be on his way to Turkey too.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/07/09/99623-31353811/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 03:16:41 PM
Interesting press conference with Rodgers today. We look to be signing an "exciting" young player in the next few days. Theres even the possibility of a second signing this week. I wonder if it will be Ramirez, Borini, Granero or any of the other players recently linked.

Dont get too carried away with the possibility of any world class talent going through the doors of Melwood in the next few days though because Rodgers also confirmed what we have being suggesting that there is not much money available in this transfer window so it seems the owners are letting Rodgers make do with whats available to him in the squad already.

Rodgers also seems to be coy over Andy Carroll, theres been no bids for him but hes not saying one way or the other whether the player is going to be an integral part of his set up. It sounds a possible case of watch this space.....

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-near-to-exciting-new-signing-7924663.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 09, 2012, 06:38:22 PM
Clint Dempsey is not apparently a target either.

Thank Christ!

Its very hard to break that plateau without the addition of some real quality after that.

Agree it just becomes a never-ending cycle of re-arranging deck chairs as talent in the
same positions flow in and out and the squad is never complete or has a stable/spine for
a four year period.

Interesting press conference with Rodgers today.

Watched that today, delighted to see Lucas and alarmed to see Spearing. Cripes if we
could win the league by talking i think Rodgers is the man  :D At least he mentioned the
word "steel" (the loss of Sam Hyypia took some steel out of team that's never been
particularly blessed with the quality in the league.).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 09, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
I don't think he would have used the words "exciting young player" unless he really meant it. he strikes me as a man who chooses his words carefully. The last thing he would want is to alienate himself from the fans by building up hopes with those words only to lose his credibility by unveiling someone who has to be googled because no-one has heard of him.

I suspect that having had their fingers burnt by Kenny and Commoli last season they are somewhat reluctant to give BR substantial funds until he has proved his judgement.

Compared the goings-on at Arsenal I feel there is quite a bit of stability at the club and a bright future is quite possible.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 08:30:27 PM
Thank Christ!

 :D My sentiments exactly.

Agree it just becomes a never-ending cycle of re-arranging deck chairs as talent in the
same positions flow in and out and the squad is never complete or has a stable/spine for
a four year period.

To think we had Reina,  Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres in the same team which was also complimented by Kuyt, Agger and the likes it makes you wonder how we didnt challenge for the league more than the one season. We had the spine of a top top side. Rafa really had built a formidable side. Its just a pity the fall out with Alonso happened because if he had stayed we possibly could have kept that team together despite the collapse of the club around them.

Watched that today, delighted to see Lucas and alarmed to see Spearing. Cripes if we
could win the league by talking i think Rodgers is the man  :D At least he mentioned the
word "steel" (the loss of Sam Hyypia took some steel out of team that's never been
particularly blessed with the quality in the league.).

Rofl  ;D ;D hilarious Ed brilliant reaction to Spearing.

He really shouldnt be still here but lets see what Rodgers can do with him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on July 09, 2012, 08:34:22 PM
According to Ben Smith of the BBC, Fabio Borini is likely to become Brenda's first signing as LFC's manager.  However, he does state that the deal is not done yet.
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
I don't think he would have used the words "exciting young player" unless he really meant it. he strikes me as a man who chooses his words carefully. The last thing he would want is to alienate himself from the fans by building up hopes with those words only to lose his credibility by unveiling someone who has to be googled because no-one has heard of him.

I suspect that having had their fingers burnt by Kenny and Commoli last season they are somewhat reluctant to give BR substantial funds until he has proved his judgement.

Compared the goings-on at Arsenal I feel there is quite a bit of stability at the club and a bright future is quite possible.

Yeah its interesting as to who the signing or signings might be. I have a feeling it could be Granero from Madrid considering we supposedly had one bid rejected. I have a feeling Rodgers may have used the word exciting because hes shopping at a bigger club now moreso than it being a big player. Id love to think it was someone like Jovetic but I cant see us spending that kind of money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on July 09, 2012, 08:39:27 PM
For those who don't subscribe to The Times, here's a piece from Tony Barrett re: LFC's transfer funds.

Brendan Rodgers: Liverpool don’t have ‘wheelbarrow full of money’


Brendan Rodgers has underlined the scale of the challenge facing him as Liverpool manager after revealing that he has not been presented with “a wheelbarrow full of money” to transform the club’s under-performing squad.

Speaking at a press conference to publicize Liverpool’s forthcoming pre-season tour of North America, Rodgers admitted that he is hoping to make his first signing since taking over as manager later this week with Fabio Borini, the Roma forward, in his sights.

But it was his intimation of the limited spending power he has at his disposal that will inevitably attract most attention, particularly as it appeared to contradict a previous claim from Tom Werner, the club’s chairman, that Liverpool have “the resources to compete with anyone in football.”

The reality is that Fenway Sports Group (FSG), Liverpool’s owners, have long been frustrated by the lack of value that has been gleaned in the transfer market, hence the removal of Damien Comolli as director of football last April.

FSG have made it clear to Rodgers that he has their backing in the transfer market but they have also put a series of checks and balances in place in an attempt to prevent Liverpool from over-paying in the transfer market.

Their determination to make Liverpool operate self-sufficiently and in keeping with the guidelines of Financial Fair Play (FFP) mean Rodgers is not in a position to spend his way to success, with his transfer budget restricted to around £20 million plus the proceeds of any sales.

“I won’t be bringing in many (signings),”the Liverpool manager said. “We don’t have a wheelbarrow full of money. There is not the money that people think there is. There certainly won’t be as many as are being reported.

“For players to be associated with Liverpool is great, but the reality is we’ve only made three or four enquires about players and we hopefully can close out one deal this week, maybe two, and then we’ll add to that over the pre-season.

“I will never speak about targets and possible players. It’s not something I like to do. All I will say is there has been a whole raft of players linked with coming to Liverpool, and there are very, very few of them that are actually real targets for us.”

Liverpool had been expected to enter the transfer market early after the window was opened at the start of this month but Rodgers’ determination to make an assessment of the squad he inherited from Kenny Dalglish has prompted a more cautious approach.

The club are also continuing to put the finishing touches to a new scouting structure which will be headed by Dave Fallows once his move from Manchester City is complete. Having instigated a revamp of their whole player recruitment operation, Liverpool do not want to pre-empt its implementation by making a series of signings.

“Initially, it’s just about assessing the group, the squad and looking at the strengths, which you never know entirely until you come in,” Rodgers confirmed. “The pre-season is a little bit broken this year because of players being away for the championships and recovering.

“But certainly, come the beginning of the season I hope to have the squad that we can take through. Obviously after August, that’s it through until January. It’ll be a case of piecing it together through until then and building a squad that can hopefully compete at the top end of the league. That’s ideally what I want to do. We’ll maybe make three or four tweaks which will help the squad. We want to make the team competitive at the top end again.”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
According to Ben Smith of the BBC, Fabio Borini is likely to become Brenda's first signing as LFC's manager.  However, he does state that the deal is not done yet.

Borini doesnt exactly come under the category of an exciting signing but if it is him good luck to the guy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Cheers for the article Gurdeep.

Not surprised. The owners have definitely changed tact this summer.

Its going to be a work with what youve got case this year by the looks so.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 09, 2012, 08:54:54 PM
Only LFC journos I trust and so should you are Tony Barrett and Rory Smith from the Times and Ben Smith from BBC.

Ben Smith is now running this story. Think we can assume Borini is the first signing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18773700
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on July 09, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Cheers for the article Gurdeep.

Not surprised. The owners have definitely changed tact this summer.

Its going to be a work with what youve got case this year by the looks so.

King Kenny & Commolli really f?cked things up last summer with their mental policy of buying young english talent!  When fans were crying out for Mata, we ended up with Downing!  The owners are well within their rights to change tact.  Kenny et al must of scared the living daylights out of them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2012, 10:49:49 PM
I don't think he would have used the words "exciting young player" unless he really meant it. he strikes me as a man who chooses his words carefully. The last thing he would want is to alienate himself from the fans by building up hopes with those words only to lose his credibility by unveiling someone who has to be googled because no-one has heard of him.

I suspect that having had their fingers burnt by Kenny and Commoli last season they are somewhat reluctant to give BR substantial funds until he has proved his judgement.

Compared the goings-on at Arsenal I feel there is quite a bit of stability at the club and a bright future is quite possible.

Ray, it's exactly the way I feel we'll see things playing out. Too many players in is always a receipe for disaster.
Wenger has achieved what he has by keeping changes down to a minimum so there is a sense of stability and familiarity amongst the majority of the squad at any given time.
Where he has fallen short is that he's chosen not to build on a strong defensive unit with a midfield cover in front of that defence and instead has tried to defend by keeping possession and outplaying the opposition.
That is fine but when Plan A doesn't always click you need the ability to grind out the scruffy 1-0s and keep the momentum going.
Plus the fact there have been times when I feel he's had money but has been stubborn about 'investing' in a strategic large ticket purchase.
I think this is where Taggart has always shown the way. When he needed either a specific vital position filling or felt there was a certain player that was a big difference maker, he's paid the price needed and has seen the rewards.

I think to a large degree Rodgers is paying the price, with FSG's caution, for the poor purchases (either the players being poor or the prices paid being too high or a combination of both) of Comolli and Dalglish, but maybe that's not such a bad thing as Rodgers has never had the experience of big money purchases and may feel comfortable finding raw talent and potential and shaping it for himself, much like Wenger has done.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 09, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
Pretty much agree with all of that Tes. Wenger's stubborness will be his downfall or his teams. They're going to lose RVP which will be the last of the major signings. Arsenal are a team in disarray and I think it's quite possible they will finish outside the top 4 this season.

Rednose has also had to cut his cloth. This new Japanese lad will take time to integrate but having sold Park he needs to get up to speed fairly quickly. Can't see Scholes and Giggs playing too many games too.

We should remember we won the CL with players like Traore and Smicer so absolute quality in every position isn't essential. What is needed (and dude will love this) is a balanced team and hopefully BR can do what Kenny failed to.

I don't blame Henry and Co for being cautious with spending money. I would too and so would many of you I suspect. If he has a good season then next summer might see a hike in available revenue. But first we have to get through this one...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 11:15:14 PM
The telegraph are reporting that Carroll could go out on loan. I really never see the point in that unless its with young players. I havent seen too many cases that a player comes back worth more than when they were sent out. The Aquillani loan should have taught us alot, Milan and Juve used us for the player without ever intending to stick to the agreement we had reached for a transfer.

The Telegraph also suggest that Borini isnt the exciting player Rodgers was referring to.

The next few days will be interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9387686/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-suggests-Andy-Carroll-could-go-out-on-loan-if-he-fails-to-establish-himself.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 11:28:38 PM
Pretty much agree with all of that Tes. Wenger's stubborness will be his downfall or his teams. They're going to lose RVP which will be the last of the major signings. Arsenal are a team in disarray and I think it's quite possible they will finish outside the top 4 this season.

Rednose has also had to cut his cloth. This new Japanese lad will take time to integrate but having sold Park he needs to get up to speed fairly quickly. Can't see Scholes and Giggs playing too many games too.

We should remember we won the CL with players like Traore and Smicer so absolute quality in every position isn't essential. What is needed (and dude will love this) is a balanced team and hopefully BR can do what Kenny failed to.

I don't blame Henry and Co for being cautious with spending money. I would too and so would many of you I suspect. If he has a good season then next summer might see a hike in available revenue. But first we have to get through this one...

I think we write off Arsenal and United too often at our own peril. Theres no doubt Van Persie will go and that would be a huge loss but Arsenal have lost so many big players in the past yet are always up there. Last season they were without Nasri, Fabregas and Wilshire for the season yet they still at one point were considered contenders for the league. I just think when Van Persie goes someone else will step up. Theyve bought Podolski and Giroud already, Wilshire should be back and there is plenty of time left in the window for movement so they will be alright.

I do think though that our squad is better than eight place. If Rogers could get us firing from the start Champions League qualification cant be ruled out but I suppose realistically I see us being anywhere from 5th - 7th. No "this is our year" predictions this year. Last year we had so many circumstances working against us I just dont think we can be as unlucky again. I hope for Rodgers sake he gets off to a decent start because whether we like it or not people will be calling for head three months in if he doesnt. He has to get time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2012, 11:31:35 PM
I don't blame Henry and Co for being cautious with spending money. I would too and so would many of you I suspect. If he has a good season then next summer might see a hike in available revenue. But first we have to get through this one...

Also, if they've done their homework they'll know that the manager has never looked at the sort of player he can now, even with what we perceive to be less than the sort of budget we'd like there to be.
He has to learn to shop, at what for him, is a rarified atmosphere. Let him learn this phase before maybe moving up a grade next Summer.

Hyypia and Arbeloa are the sort of low cost players he mat just unearth. Vorm was a real value for money purchase and though it was only half a season, Sigurdsson wasn't too bad either, especially for a loanee.

Maybe he does just have an eye for a player. He certainly seems to look closely at the Dutch, German, Belgian and even Scandinavian leagues, and there is some quality and value to be had and some good young talent from there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 09, 2012, 11:46:28 PM
The Mail are reporting that Adeybeyor will sign for Spurs for 6 million. Not bad but he is commanding a 4 million signing on fee and 115k a week in wages.

They are also reporting Chelsea are on the verge of signing the highly rated young Brazilian Oscar that Spurs have been chasing. They claim hes costing 25 million. I cant wait for the wheels to come off for Di Matteo because they will. Unfortunately for us I reckon Guardiola will be waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2012, 11:56:38 PM
The Mail are reporting that Adeybeyor will sign for Spurs for 6 million. Not bad but he is commanding a 4 million signing on fee and 115k a week in wages.

They are also reporting Chelsea are on the verge of signing the highly rated young Brazilian Oscar that Spurs have been chasing. They claim hes costing 25 million. I cant wait for the wheels to come off for Di Matteo because they will. Unfortunately for us I reckon Guardiola will be waiting in the wings.

Spurs are pushing the boat out with their wage cap appearing to be very 'elastic'. Bale has just signed a new deal and I wonder what he and Modric make of Ade's deal.

Abramovich seems to have gone back on making Chelsea self sufficient and break even. He appears confident that FFP won't be a problem. Maybe that doesn't bode so well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 10, 2012, 03:09:49 AM
Rofl  ;D ;D hilarious Ed brilliant reaction to Spearing.

He really shouldnt be still here but lets see what Rodgers can do with him.
Lol, i thought we'd sold him to Bolton!

Dunno, maybe like you say Rodgers can improve (educate) him but to me he looked way out of his
depth in the FA cup final. Rodgers (for reasons best known to himself) seems to be really playing
the homegrown card, lionising Gerrard & Carra and now this. Tbh, i don't get it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 11, 2012, 11:18:42 AM
A lot of speculation on Carroll going out on loan which personally i think is sheer insanity...

To be fair...in the last 2 months of the season (and for euro 2012) andy hinted at better things to come from him...
And if andy can't adapt to the new system then by all means sell him....but as he hasn't even played in the new system this seems a little odd to me...what happens if stevie g doesn't adapt? Are we going to loan him off as well?
And what the feck are we doing loaning out players anyways??? Have we come to this? Desperate that we get some other team to pay for some of the wages? Do we learn anything? We sent out Cole and Aquilani last year and how did this benefit us? Both players would have added something different to our woeful midfield last year...

...if silvio berlusconi wants him then he can fork out 25 mil for him...if not, then tough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Lol, i thought we'd sold him to Bolton!

We had but they brought him back and asked for a refund.

Rodgers (for reasons best known to himself) seems to be really playing
the homegrown card, lionising Gerrard & Carra and now this. Tbh, i don't get it.

Unless it's his way of getting the fans on side, which IMHO is a cheap stunt, then I don't understand why he's picked those two out for special praise either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 11, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Unless it's his way of getting the fans on side, which IMHO is a cheap stunt, then I don't understand why he's picked those two out for special praise either.
Aha! It's all stunts imo, like what you'd expect from Phil Brown and any other manager that
runs a small club. We'll be dressing up as Elvis next and who knows maybe Carra will don the
big chicken suit of our new mascot.

Credit to Kenny (whatever you think about his management) he quietly went about his business in
his own reticent manner (granted it could be irritating when he limited his vocabulary to one word
in interviews...fantastic). I prefer tell 'em nothing than making us look like some small club that
just arrived in the Premiership. I've nothing against us quietly going about our business with the
occasional heads up from the manager when he feels he has something important to impart to the
fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 08:57:25 PM
Aha! It's all stunts imo, like what you'd expect from Phil Brown and any other manager that
runs a small club. We'll be dressing up as Elvis next and who knows maybe Carra will don the
big chicken suit of our new mascot.

Credit to Kenny (whatever you think about his management) he quietly went about his business in
his own reticent manner (granted it could be irritating when he limited his vocabulary to one word
in interviews...fantastic). I prefer tell 'em nothing than making us look like some small club that
just arrived in the Premiership. I've nothing against us quietly going about our business with the
occasional heads up from the manager when he feels he has something important to impart to the
fans.

Agreed, Ed, we're hearing a bit too much from Brendan at the moment. Talk about philosophy, or his football beliefs etc, but give nothing away about any aspect of our business and don't talk about individuals unless asked a specific question, to which you give an answer lacking detail.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 09:04:23 PM
Where has all this talk of Carroll going out on loan come from? And what would be the point?

You don't put a player that cost that much in the shop window by sending him out on loan - sell him or keep him, no half measures.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
Liverpool eye up move for French starlet

By Jamie Sanderson | Wednesday, July 11, 2012


Liverpool are eyeing up a move for out-of-contract Monaco forward Amadou Diallo.

The 18-year-old, who quit the French Second Division side last month, refused to sign a new deal in order to push through a switch to England, and has interested a number of Premier League clubs.

Arsenal, Newcastle and Fulham are all thought to be admirers of Diallo, but Liverpool have jumped the queue, and are now planning on offering the powerful winger, who can also play through the middle, a week-long trial.

A graduate from the famous Clairefontaine academy in France, Diallo is a boyhood Reds fan, and hopes to win a place in the reserve team at Anfield, if he can impress in training.


http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120711/liverpool-eye-move-french-starlet-176360 (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120711/liverpool-eye-move-french-starlet-176360)

Hopefully he's more Anelka than N'Gog.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2012, 09:40:23 PM
madness to loan our latest mistake out.

sell Carroll and be done with it.  Even if it only brings in 15 to 20 million.

I cringe when I think of many of the players that Dalglish bought during his periods at anfield........and cringe even worse, when I think of the lads he sold or refused to play (aldridge, beardsley, mereless, etc).

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
madness to loan our latest mistake out.

sell Carroll and be done with it.  Even if it only brings in 15 to 20 million.

I cringe when I think of many of the players that Dalglish bought during his periods at anfield........and cringe even worse, when I think of the lads he sold or refused to play (aldridge, beardsley, mereless, etc).

It's hard to imagine us bringing in even 50% of what we paid out if his buys were to be sold. If we send Carroll out on loan it's an admission we made a huge error and that he's not wanted. His value will plummit and yet again we'll be held over a barrel. Why do we always seem to compound one mistake with another?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2012, 09:55:34 PM
It's hard to imagine us bringing in even 50% of what we paid out if his buys were to be sold. If we send Carroll out on loan it's an admission we made a huge error and that he's not wanted. His value will plummit and yet again we'll be held over a barrel. Why do we always seem to compound one mistake with another?

Rick Parry.

we've never replaced him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 11, 2012, 10:05:21 PM
Where has all this talk of Carroll going out on loan come from? And what would be the point?

You don't put a player that cost that much in the shop window by sending him out on loan - sell him or keep him, no half measures.
Agree, imo, BR is being naive with the press and i'd also argue that he's being disrespectful
toward Carroll in public. He could have simply batted the Carroll question away. Of course when
the subject of Suarez comes up, it's a different matter. The press should know about what's happening
with Andy when it's been sorted out behind closed doors. Not impressed, going to be a long season...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2012, 10:27:59 PM
Rodgers talks too much.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 11, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Rodgers talks too much.
I think he has the gift of the gab?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
Carroll will never be the sort of player that leads the line of a top four team, but he kept his head down and ended up improving, which is all we can ask of players.

I won't be surprised if he starts the season looking like he's lacking in confidence again. Hopefully the manager's told him where he stands (and that should be equal with everyone else and given the same chances to prove himself), and all of this is the media twisting words again to make a story where one doesn't exist.

This time I feel sorry for him. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2012, 11:00:14 PM
he has the gift of the gab, ed.

it's hard to listen to him.  I wish he'd shut the feck up.

too much talk-talk.....let's do the walk.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 11:06:04 PM
he has the gift of the gab, ed.

it's hard to listen to him.  I wish he'd shut the feck up.

too much talk-talk.....let's do the walk.

Thankfully we're not a ship otherwise we'd already be nestled on the sea bed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2012, 11:10:25 PM
Thankfully we're not a ship otherwise we'd already be nestled on the sea bed.

if we had been a ship, rodgers would have been forced to walk the plank.

I imagine he must talk in his sleep and also in front of the mirror.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2012, 11:17:19 PM
if we had been a ship, rodgers would have been forced to walk the plank.

I imagine he must talk in his sleep and also in front of the mirror.

There's a pirate flag joke somewhere in there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 11, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
Agreed, Ed, we're hearing a bit too much from Brendan at the moment. Talk about philosophy, or his football beliefs etc, but give nothing away about any aspect of our business and don't talk about individuals unless asked a specific question, to which you give an answer lacking detail.

Well after the press conference at the start of the week Rodgers has possibly got fans hopes up by pointing to an exciting young talent he expects to have tied up by the end of the week. He says he doesnt do his business in public but by saying what he did he has already contradicted himself and possibly built himself up for a fall. Borini isnt going to excite fans so if he hasnt someone that actually gets the fans talking his risks an underwhelming reaction.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 11, 2012, 11:49:30 PM
It's hard to imagine us bringing in even 50% of what we paid out if his buys were to be sold. If we send Carroll out on loan it's an admission we made a huge error and that he's not wanted. His value will plummit and yet again we'll be held over a barrel. Why do we always seem to compound one mistake with another?

Its clear Carroll doesnt suit Rodgers style of play. He didnt suit Kennys style of play but we tried to fit a square peg into a round hole.

I think its a case of cut our losses instead of going back down the Aquillani route. If we do sell at a huge loss just make sure there are big enough clauses in any deal that can see us get some more of our money back in the next few years.

I think the fact that its the West Hams and Fulhams that are interested is testament to how much of a flop Carroll has being. That said the hammers paid 18 million for Dean Ashton at one point, Id still be expecting 15-20 for Carroll now considering hes a young English players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2012, 01:17:06 AM
There's a pirate flag joke somewhere in there.

(http://blog.beatthebrochure.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/captain-pugwash.jpg)

Captain Pugwash (and the music) comes to mind.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 12, 2012, 07:35:47 AM
(http://blog.beatthebrochure.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/captain-pugwash.jpg)

Captain Pugwash (and the music) comes to mind.


At least Andy's ponytail makes him look like a pirate...
Absolutely with all of you above who think Brendan 'the Jolly Rodgers' should pipe down...
one moment he's saying that Bellers is a brilliant player and a part of the heartbeat of the club next there's speculation he's off to Cardiff..
he hasn't even seen Carroll in action yet and he's already criticising him....

Does not bode well...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2012, 04:41:47 PM
I think the fact that its the West Hams and Fulhams that are interested is testament to how much of a flop Carroll has being. That said the hammers paid 18 million for Dean Ashton at one point, Id still be expecting 15-20 for Carroll now considering hes a young English players.

Juan, The Hammers link seems like it's just a loan. I think the days of them spending big on transfers is over with Gold and Sullivan in charge and the debts they apparently have.

Apparently Newcastle want him back for a laughable £10M.

There's no doubt Agent Comolli did a great job for our rivals with the fees he 'negotiated'.  Dalglish should have rejected most of the deals on the cost aspect alone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2012, 06:49:56 PM
There's no doubt Agent Comolli did a great job for our rivals with the fees he 'negotiated'.  Dalglish should have rejected most of the deals on the cost aspect alone.

it was truly ridiculous that we employed those two clearly patently unsuitable people.

and dalglish can ride off into the sunset with his big barrow-load of cash, from his season and a half at Anfield.  And meanwhile the club, and those who come after him, have to try and pick up the pieces.

personally, I would discipline or sack, anyone involved in the spotting and recruitment of andy carroll.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2012, 07:38:46 PM
From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/21/kenny-dalglish-marquee-signing-liverpool?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/21/kenny-dalglish-marquee-signing-liverpool?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487)

"Every time I have been in the transfer market I have been responsible and I will continue to do that. I will spend the club's money as diligently as I would spend my own."

Kenny Dalglish January 2011
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/21/kenny-dalglish-marquee-signing-liverpool?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/21/kenny-dalglish-marquee-signing-liverpool?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487)

"Every time I have been in the transfer market I have been responsible and I will continue to do that. I will spend the club's money as diligently as I would spend my own."

Kenny Dalglish January 2011

and like so many do, Kenny talked a good game.  He said all the appropriate things, about the club, it's heritage, values, respect, etc etc.

Indeed, like Rodgers, he never shut the feck up.

But when it comes to walking the walk, that was a different matter.

For example, with the club in dire financial straits, was kenny prepared to work for free, or on a small salary, with no pay-off rights?     Nahhh, I wouldn't think so.   

Kenny's time in charge was dire.  His rubbish signings, at massive cost, are now a massive weight around the club's neck.   But he can ride off into the sunset with his big pay-off.    So much for fecken respect.




Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2012, 11:04:42 PM
and like so many do, Kenny talked a good game.  He said all the appropriate things, about the club, it's heritage, values, respect, etc etc.

Indeed, like Rodgers, he never shut the feck up.

But when it comes to walking the walk, that was a different matter.

For example, with the club in dire financial straits, was kenny prepared to work for free, or on a small salary, with no pay-off rights?     Nahhh, I wouldn't think so.   

Kenny's time in charge was dire.  His rubbish signings, at massive cost, are now a massive weight around the club's neck.   But he can ride off into the sunset with his big pay-off.    So much for fecken respect.

We now have at least four more highly paid, sub-standard individuals to try to get rid of. Either we have to pay them until their contract runs out and get nothing for them or we have to sell them at a vastly reduced fee and use most (if not all) of the fee received to pay them off the remaining years or come to an arrangement over the remaining years of their contract. Either way, we end up with little or no money in order to fund a replacement for them.
So we still require so many positions within the squad that need upgrading with simply nowhere need enough funds to do it with. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2012, 11:18:55 PM
What do we all make of the Dempsey rumour?

Factually, he's a player who's had one good season and it has taken him until the age of 29 for that to happen.
Maybe he'll have another two or three, in that with his experience he's been able to use that to perform to a higher standard than previously achieved.

I just feel he's another risk, another potential 'one season wonder', which happens quite a lot with strikers, Clive Allen, Marcus Stewart, Michael Ricketts, even Van Persie etc.
With just one year on his contract anything under £5M on a one or two year deal with an option of a further year if his goals/assists/chances created stats reach a certain amount, then maybe and it is a big 'maybe'.

I'd rather, even than sort of money, was spent on a younger player with the potential to come good and more time to do it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2012, 11:33:31 PM
We now have at least four more highly paid, sub-standard individuals to try to get rid of. Either we have to pay them until their contract runs out and get nothing for them or we have to sell them at a vastly reduced fee and use most (if not all) of the fee received to pay them off the remaining years or come to an arrangement over the remaining years of their contract. Either way, we end up with little or no money in order to fund a replacement for them.
So we still require so many positions within the squad that need upgrading with simply nowhere need enough funds to do it with.

yes, the club has now hit the financial buffers.  And I think most other clubs have too (and this is maybe the case across Europe).

the rules are weighted far too heavily in favour of players these days.    You cannot get them shifted, if they are on a big contract.  And if they decide to sit their contract out, you end up getting peanuts or nothing for them.

Things have to change.

But why do clubs (i.e. the 90 percent who have limited money) not see sense and agree not to pay over say 50 grand a week in wages.

clubs, across all the divisions, have walked into this financial quagmire.    Do they not see how close we came to financial meltdown (we were one week from going into administration).  Do they not see what has happened Rangers.

Clubs have been sleepwalking into this madness.   

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2012, 11:35:32 PM
What do we all make of the Dempsey rumour?

Factually, he's a player who's had one good season and it has taken him until the age of 29 for that to happen.
Maybe he'll have another two or three, in that with his experience he's been able to use that to perform to a higher standard than previously achieved.

I just feel he's another risk, another potential 'one season wonder', which happens quite a lot with strikers, Clive Allen, Marcus Stewart, Michael Ricketts, even Van Persie etc.
With just one year on his contract anything under £5M on a one or two year deal with an option of a further year if his goals/assists/chances created stats reach a certain amount, then maybe and it is a big 'maybe'.

I'd rather, even than sort of money, was spent on a younger player with the potential to come good and more time to do it.

like you, I cannot see the value of recruiting Dempsey......unless we get him for peanuts.  Then again, if we get him for peanuts, the bloke will be wanting big wages.  He claims he wants to move and play CL football.....I read into that, that he wants to get one big final contract at a top club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2012, 01:06:07 AM
I read into that, that he wants to get one big final contract at a top club.

His next contract is likely to be his last. He's looking to double his money for the next three years.

I'd rather see us 'invest' our money than just 'spend' it.

I'd rather see the likely (Dempsey) fee invested in (a) younger player(s) - a centre half or a difference maker in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 13, 2012, 01:53:26 AM
His next contract is likely to be his last. He's looking to double his money for the next three years.

I'd rather see us 'invest' our money than just 'spend' it.

I'd rather see the likely (Dempsey) fee invested in (a) younger player(s) - a centre half or a difference maker in midfield.
Shades of Hodgson here with Poulsen or Kenny with Adam even Rafa with Keane. I just hate to see
these guys pull on the red jersey (it demeans everything it stands for  :'( ). May as well just burn the
transfer fee, at least then we'd save ourselves the wages.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 13, 2012, 02:03:41 AM
Borini deal agreed according to the echo. 11 million pounds.

Now for the exciting player we are due to sign, Jovetic would make it a decent weekend!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 13, 2012, 02:14:01 AM
What do we all make of the Dempsey rumour?

Factually, he's a player who's had one good season and it has taken him until the age of 29 for that to happen.
Maybe he'll have another two or three, in that with his experience he's been able to use that to perform to a higher standard than previously achieved.

I just feel he's another risk, another potential 'one season wonder', which happens quite a lot with strikers, Clive Allen, Marcus Stewart, Michael Ricketts, even Van Persie etc.
With just one year on his contract anything under £5M on a one or two year deal with an option of a further year if his goals/assists/chances created stats reach a certain amount, then maybe and it is a big 'maybe'.

I'd rather, even than sort of money, was spent on a younger player with the potential to come good and more time to do it.

If we were getting Dempsey plus 15 million for Carroll i would take it. But Dempsey and 9 million just isnt enough. Dempseys a good player but would he unquestionably improve our midfield, the jurys out. Put his transfer fee and wages toward a top up and coming talent. Rodgers said his plan isnt short term, so prove it in his purchasing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2012, 11:27:54 AM
If we were getting Dempsey plus 15 million for Carroll i would take it. But Dempsey and 9 million just isnt enough. Dempseys a good player but would he unquestionably improve our midfield, the jurys out. Put his transfer fee and wages toward a top up and coming talent. Rodgers said his plan isnt short term, so prove it in his purchasing.

Dempsey + £9M values Dempsey in the region of £11M with only a year on his contract. Makes him a £20M+ with a three/four year contract, which is pure fantasy.

Dempsey's 'season' was more as a striker and if we were to sign him we'd have to view him as such.
He wouldn't noticably improve our midfield and could he repeat last season playing as a striker?

Like you, Juan, I'd rather we put the fee and wages towards a younger player whom we will get a good few years service and who still has a potential transfer value once his time with us is over.

Dempsey will probably go back to the MLS at the end of his next contract and will therefore have no transfer value to speak of.

Verdict: give Dempsey a miss. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 13, 2012, 01:22:39 PM
Now for the exciting player we are due to sign, Jovetic would make it a decent weekend!
Juan i think you mentioned Suso in one of the lost posts:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/120711/liverpools-spanish-genius-who-lighting-europe-talksport-talent-spotter-176368

i know Rafa's a fan also. Whatever about the league obsession next season I think we
need to be really smart about giving youth it's chance in the cups. There are 3 approaches,
1.) The Swansea/Wigan strategy to get knocked out of them at the first opportunity 2.) Take
them uber-seriously at the expense of the league campaign (us last year). 3.) Play Stevie G,
Carra and Spearing with the kids and entrust the league campaign to Lucas et al?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 13, 2012, 05:08:44 PM
Juan i think you mentioned Suso in one of the lost posts:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/120711/liverpools-spanish-genius-who-lighting-europe-talksport-talent-spotter-176368

i know Rafa's a fan also. Whatever about the league obsession next season I think we
need to be really smart about giving youth it's chance in the cups. There are 3 approaches,
1.) The Swansea/Wigan strategy to get knocked out of them at the first opportunity 2.) Take
them uber-seriously at the expense of the league campaign (us last year). 3.) Play Stevie G,
Carra and Spearing with the kids and entrust the league campaign to Lucas et al?

Sure did Ed. I posted a video compilation that disappeared.

Here it is again;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ggUYo_Hj1MU

What Id like to see happen next season is for the league to be given complete priority. You play your best available in the league week in week out no matter who the opposition or what cup games are coming up. If at all possible give players like Sterling or Suso a run for 20 minutes or half an hour when the result isnt in doubt.

After that I think the Europa Cup and FA cup should be played with the strongest possible team but with the league being kept in mind as priority. Like if Suarez is tired rest him in the cups and keep him fresh for the league. If Lucas has a slight tweak in his hamstring rest him  and again keep him for the league. Give young players more of an opportunity in the the Europa league and FA cup than they might not get in the league but still try to field a strong team.

The carling cup is a great route to the europa league but i think it has to be used to give youngsters a chance while keeping a spine of first team players. Theres no point throwing out a complete youth team that will get knocked out in round 3 or 4, that benefits nobody but I would give a handful of youngsters their chance. Winning the Carling Cup doesnt hold much significance when your finishing 8th in the league.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2012, 06:12:42 PM
Sure did Ed. I posted a video compilation that disappeared.

Here it is again;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ggUYo_Hj1MU

What Id like to see happen next season is for the league to be given complete priority. You play your best available in the league week in week out no matter who the opposition or what cup games are coming up. If at all possible give players like Sterling or Suso a run for 20 minutes or half an hour when the result isnt in doubt.

After that I think the Europa Cup and FA cup should be played with the strongest possible team but with the league being kept in mind as priority. Like if Suarez is tired rest him in the cups and keep him fresh for the league. If Lucas has a slight tweak in his hamstring rest him  and again keep him for the league. Give young players more of an opportunity in the the Europa league and FA cup than they might not get in the league but still try to field a strong team.

The carling cup is a great route to the europa league but i think it has to be used to give youngsters a chance while keeping a spine of first team players. Theres no point throwing out a complete youth team that will get knocked out in round 3 or 4, that benefits nobody but I would give a handful of youngsters their chance. Winning the Carling Cup doesnt hold much significance when your finishing 8th in the league.

Agreed Juan. I'd also extend the context of the UEFA Cup to making it the second most important trophy after the league in order to raise our profile once again in Europe. Most European countries and players aren't as dismissive of it as we in this country are. I would also look at it as a chance to give the players who are likely to make the nucleus of the team a chance to gain (or further their) European experience which along with raising our European profile will be the most beneficial to the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2012, 06:44:09 PM
Liverpool Football Club can today confirm that Maxi Rodriguez has joined Newell's Old Boys in Argentina.

Maxi, who arrived at Anfield from Atletico Madrid in January 2010, netted 17 goals in 73 appearances for the Reds.

Highlights of the midfielder's Anfield career include two hat-tricks in the space of a couple of weeks against Birmingham and Fulham in 2011 as well as important strikes against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in November of that year.

Everyone at Liverpool FC would like to thank Maxi for his contribution to the club and wish him all the best for the future.

Official Statement


So two of the three players that formed such a fluent front line with Suarez during Dalglish's 'caretaker tenure' have now left the club.

Still, we've saved a few quid in wages.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2012, 06:53:11 PM
like you, I cannot see the value of recruiting Dempsey......unless we get him for peanuts.  Then again, if we get him for peanuts, the bloke will be wanting big wages.  He claims he wants to move and play CL football.....I read into that, that he wants to get one big final contract at a top club.

There' s not much difference in age between Dempsey and Maxi and Kuyt, who have both now left the club. Neither can I see Dempsey moving for a salary much less than either of them were being paid. Neither were exactly quick but then neither is Dempsey, so an injection of pace can't be the reason we'd buy him.

We've got Bellamy who's got pace and is a technical player but the manager really needs to pull a quick, technical player for whom money's not important and is capable of playing equally well wide on either side and as and just behind a striker, out of his transfer hat, that costs no more than £2M.

It's a good job we've got such a highly efficient scouting network.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 13, 2012, 09:26:06 PM

We've got Bellamy who's got pace and is a technical player but the manager really needs to pull a quick, technical player for whom money's not important and is capable of playing equally well wide on either side and as and just behind a striker, out of his transfer hat, that costs no more than £2M.

It's a good job we've got such a highly efficient scouting network.  ::)

Speculation is rife that either Cardiff or QPR will sign Bellamy...Maxi gone too...Cheer up Tes, at least we have Downing...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
Speculation is rife that either Cardiff or QPR will sign Bellamy...Maxi gone too...Cheer up Tes, at least we have Downing...

Cheers Barticus. That well and truly stopped me from Downing my sorrows over the state of our squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 14, 2012, 02:43:51 PM
Tbh, I wouldn't like us to lose Carroll this Summer.

Granted the manager appears to favour a 4-3-3 with lots of movement, passing and
pressing up front. How exactly that will work in terms of width with our current playing
personnel and what role the full backs will have remains to be seen. Is Carroll more suited
to a traditional 4-4-2 with wingers?

Anyway I don't see why we have to have one system. Does that make us predictable and
1-dimensional. Price tag aside, I like the flexibility Carroll gives us (in all fairness we saw what
damage he did against Chelsea in the FA cup final when we were a complete non-entity prior
to his arrival from the bench) and would think it hasty of the manger to further unsettle the lad
after he was showing form at the end of the season.

Rather than publicly musing over his future I'd have preferred if the gaffer had had a proper conversation
with Andy about his plans and given him an opportunity to get a proper pre-season in before deciding,
given that some other (who shall remain nameless) notable under-achievers from last season appear to
have  been welcomed back into the fold...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2012, 04:44:32 PM
Carroll may not have the technical ability to play a big part in the build up but he can put the finishing touch to the build up if the ball played to him is the right one for him.

A lot of his Newcastle goals were when he was played into space a ran onto it and finished, and we all know that if the cross is the right kind he can put away a few with his head.

Too many times we either don't create openings or the misses were partly down to the final ball to the player simply being played wrongly.

How many times have we seen crosses or free kicks played into the box that simply require a deft touch, to either re-direct or a player to run onto and stroke it simply into the net?

Our delivery or choice of type of final ball is as often to blame as out and out poor finishing is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 14, 2012, 11:41:46 PM
"Some day people will realise what a good player Lucas is"
Rafa Benitez 2008.

13 minutes of bliss  :)

http://www.footylounge.com/films//milankakabaros/lucas-leiva-2010-2011-lfc-compilation-video_ff43f3192.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2012, 04:02:38 PM
He's such an underrated passer - he needs to learn to do the 'Hollywood pass' and then he'll be fine.  ;D

Future captain and mainman of a Rodgers' team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 15, 2012, 07:15:43 PM
Newcastle have made an offer to take Carroll on loan.

If Rodgers feels he is too big of a financial asset to keep as a bit part player then I can understand if he wants to sell him but what is the point in loaning Carroll out especially to a club that we are currently lagging behind in terms of the PL table.

Even if Carroll goes to Newcastle does the business we will most likely have negotiated a transfer fee in the loan deal that will reflect his 18 months playing here. It will probably be 10-15 million. He is a 23 year old England international. If he goes anywhere it should be for 20 million plus or he shouldnt go anywhere at all.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7903117/Toon-move-for-Carroll
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 15, 2012, 09:22:45 PM
Future captain and mainman of a Rodgers' team.
I'm being mischievous  :P Not sold on Rodgers yet by any stretch of the imagination.

If Rodgers feels he is too big of a financial asset to keep as a bit part player then I can understand if he wants to sell him but
Fergie had no qualms about benching Berbatov...

I like the idea of options up front, a big man, a poacher and a dazzler. We're in 4 competitions,
for all we know Suarez could get injured on the back of the Olympics. Heck, i think we need 4
striking options!

Rodgers starts off saying, your players decide the system and now it's some players don't fit the system.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2012, 10:28:23 PM
I'm being mischievous  :P Not sold on Rodgers yet by any stretch of the imagination.
Fergie had no qualms about benching Berbatov...

I like the idea of options up front, a big man, a poacher and a dazzler. We're in 4 competitions,
for all we know Suarez could get injured on the back of the Olympics. Heck, i think we need 4
striking options!

Rodgers starts off saying, your players decide the system and now it's some players don't fit the system.

System, then buy players to suit. If you look at a group of players you'll be immensely lucky if most of the players fitted the same system unless they were bought to suit a system.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2012, 10:38:00 PM
Newcastle have made an offer to take Carroll on loan.

If Rodgers feels he is too big of a financial asset to keep as a bit part player then I can understand if he wants to sell him but what is the point in loaning Carroll out especially to a club that we are currently lagging behind in terms of the PL table.

Even if Carroll goes to Newcastle does the business we will most likely have negotiated a transfer fee in the loan deal that will reflect his 18 months playing here. It will probably be 10-15 million. He is a 23 year old England international. If he goes anywhere it should be for 20 million plus or he shouldnt go anywhere at all.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7903117/Toon-move-for-Carroll

Exactly. We bought him for a price based on his potential. He should be sold for a price based on his potential. A loan deal to Newcastle would be as stupid as sending Aquilani on loan to an Italian club with a purchase figure for th end of the season.

Andy Carroll's value: Purchase price £35M divided by length of contract 5.5 years = yearly ammortisation in value £6.36M

£35M - £9.54M = £25.46M

Anything below £25.46M and we officially make a loss. Of course we've got the cost of paying up the remaining 4 years of his contract or coming to 'an arrangement' over it to subtract from the fee we receive for him.
Only then can we actually see what we have in the budget for a replacement and therefore is it actually 'worth' selling him.

Same problem with Downing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
If we were getting Dempsey plus 15 million for Carroll i would take it. But Dempsey and 9 million just isnt enough. Dempseys a good player but would he unquestionably improve our midfield, the jurys out. Put his transfer fee and wages toward a top up and coming talent. Rodgers said his plan isnt short term, so prove it in his purchasing.

As all this Demsey talk originally started with a comment by Werner, and as Henry and Werner appear to want him there to help with exposure and interest with the 'American market', then FSG ought to fund both transfer fee and wages and it shouldn't come from or affect existing budgets.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2012, 11:10:32 PM
I wonder how much longer it's going to take FSG to realise that Ian Ayre is a waste of space as our or anyone's football MD. After we've loaned Carroll back to the same team that manage to 'do us' for £35M, after Aquilani's been loaned out to another non-buying Italian club, after they see Clint Demsey's birth certificate and realise he's not a young player that just happens to look the age he actually is, with any other disasterous deal that may be laying in wait for us this Summer?

When? The time can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 16, 2012, 12:48:08 AM
I wonder how much longer it's going to take FSG to realise that Ian Ayre is a waste of space as our or anyone's football MD. After we've loaned Carroll back to the same team that manage to 'do us' for £35M, after Aquilani's been loaned out to another non-buying Italian club, after they see Clint Demsey's birth certificate and realise he's not a young player that just happens to look the age he actually is, with any other disasterous deal that may be laying in wait for us this Summer?

When? The time can't come soon enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUMh8GQnDW8  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2012, 03:23:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUMh8GQnDW8  :D

Transfer dealings - Dalglish or Comolli?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTXMz9p-BRo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTXMz9p-BRo) - the best version.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 16, 2012, 06:36:03 AM

I like the idea of options up front, a big man, a poacher and a dazzler. We're in 4 competitions,
for all we know Suarez could get injured on the back of the Olympics. Heck, i think we need 4
striking options!


I agree Ed we definitely need options up front. Even Barcelona showed against Chelsea that no matter how good your plan A is sometimes you need something different. I suppose you have to weigh up which would benefit the team more, keeping Andy Carroll or re-investing any money received on improving the squad.

Its a tough call. Like I wouldnt be willing to sell Carroll for peanuts but if we were to receive 18-20 million and if that was to be reinvested by bringing in someone like Christian Eriksen or Jovetic, basically someone of real quality who will improve the first team then I would probably say let him go.  Having options is great but due to our finances we cant afford to have expensive signings playing bit part roles. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 16, 2012, 06:50:28 AM
Exactly. We bought him for a price based on his potential. He should be sold for a price based on his potential. A loan deal to Newcastle would be as stupid as sending Aquilani on loan to an Italian club with a purchase figure for th end of the season.

Andy Carroll's value: Purchase price £35M divided by length of contract 5.5 years = yearly ammortisation in value £6.36M

£35M - £9.54M = £25.46M

Anything below £25.46M and we officially make a loss. Of course we've got the cost of paying up the remaining 4 years of his contract or coming to 'an arrangement' over it to subtract from the fee we receive for him.
Only then can we actually see what we have in the budget for a replacement and therefore is it actually 'worth' selling him.

Same problem with Downing.

Thats the logical way to look at it. Unfortunately though we havent a hope of getting 25 million for the player unless we get someone like Villa trying to blow the other teams out of the water but chances are slim.

We paid a premium for a young english striker with only 11 premier league goals to his name so theres no reason we shouldnt look for a hefty transfer fee if we sell. As you say Tes we bought potential and that potential is still there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 16, 2012, 12:26:51 PM
Transfer dealings - Dalglish or Comolli?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTXMz9p-BRo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTXMz9p-BRo) - the best version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiFz-dpbrPA would be scratching his head at the
state of the club in 2012 methinks!

I agree Ed we definitely need options up front. Even Barcelona showed against Chelsea that no matter how good your plan A is sometimes you need something different. I suppose you have to weigh up which would benefit the team more, keeping Andy Carroll or re-investing any money received on improving the squad.

Its a tough call. Like I wouldnt be willing to sell Carroll for peanuts but if we were to receive 18-20 million and if that was to be reinvested by bringing in someone like Christian Eriksen or Jovetic, basically someone of real quality who will improve the first team then I would probably say let him go.  Having options is great but due to our finances we cant afford to have expensive signings playing bit part roles. 
Yeah i'd love to see some class come in, unfortunately there's just no chance those players would
be interested, until we're in the CL again. Imo, Carroll's attitude has been spot on and that's why I'm
surprised that BR decided to unsettle him. Last season, watching the quality that other teams had in
every position I think it's optimistic to think that we can use a newly implemented passing/pressing
game to beat them consistently next season, which is precisely why i don't mind us having the option
of Carroll (he can unnerve these big teams as we saw against Chelsea, something Spearing or Borini
are hardly likely to do).

Anyway, it's besides the point, this Newcastle bid is just making us look ridiculous again. It's symptomatic
of the air of cluelessness that surrounds our club these days over the slightest thing. Once again a smaller
club is dictating the agenda, there's no leadership being provided and the story drags on the media for
days.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2012, 01:07:24 PM
It's symptomatic of the air of cluelessness that surrounds our club these days over the slightest thing. Once again a smaller club is dictating the agenda, there's no leadership being provided and the story drags on the media for days.

Exactly Ed, which is why I can't understand why FSG have yet to bring in a big hitter as CEO/MD. Owners either need to live in this country (Abramovich) or appoint a top person to run things in their absence (Glazors).

The Arsenal board are all the club's major shareholders (with the exception of Alisher Usmanov) so are there on the spot again but with the addition of a strong chairman (Hill-Wood) and CEO (Ivan Gazidis who was previously Deputy Commissioner for the MLS).

We have Ayre who is basically a capable salesman.

We will never get anyway near the position we once held, even if we had the world's best manager, until the 'off field' management becomes top class.

If FSG don't want to give Ayre 'full power' then they either need to find someone who they feel comfortable in empowering or they need to relocate and run the thing themselves.
This 'neither here nor there' situation we have will see us sit midtable until it changes.

It's no coincidence or by fate of chance that the Mancs have top class management both 'off and on the field'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
LIVERPOOL TARGET £10M OLYMPIACOS ACE KEVIN MIRALLAS

16th July 2012   By Greg Heffer


LIVERPOOL boss Brendan Rodgers is eyeing Olympiacos ace Kevin Mirallas, according to reports.

The 24-year-old is thought to be keen on a move to the Premier League, with Anfield his preferred destination.

Rodgers has targeted the Belgian international, who can play either out wide or up front, as he looks to strengthen his forward line.

Dutchman Dirk Kuyt has already left Merseyside this summer, with Maxi Rodriguez and Andy Carroll likely to follow him out the exit door.

And Mirallas, who scored an impressive 20 goals in just 25 league matches last season, will certainly be able to provide the firepower that Liverpool are looking for.

The former St Etienne star, who is also being watched by Arsenal, is thought to be available for a modest £10million fee.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/262505/Liverpool-target-10m-Olympiacos-ace-Kevin-Mirallas/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/262505/Liverpool-target-10m-Olympiacos-ace-Kevin-Mirallas/)


It would be nice to think that we were going after this sort of player at this sort of price, instead of repeating the ruinous route we travelled last Summer.

What would be even better is if we could produce our own young players like this, and even more so if they were English. It would just make a refreshing change for this country.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2012, 06:57:05 PM
Newcastle play waiting game after Liverpool dismiss bid for Andy Carroll

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/newcastle-play-waiting-game-after-liverpool-dismiss-bid-for-andy-carroll-3170429.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/newcastle-play-waiting-game-after-liverpool-dismiss-bid-for-andy-carroll-3170429.html)


What worries me is now they shown they want him back, even though their opening offer is risable, we could very well have to accept a low ball offer or be left with an unsettled and unhappy player.

What Carroll needs to remember is that Newcastle sold him against his will, chose money over the good of the player and despite all that the Geordi fans still turned on him and put the blame at his door.

Meanwhile our club showed incredible, eyewatering belief in him to the tune of £35M and he  was given total support and backing by the manager throughout his time here despite being poor and looking disinterested for a lot of the time.

We may not want him but Rodgers has to show the same will where money is concerned as he did with the Sigurdsson transfer. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 16, 2012, 09:27:33 PM
worries me is now they shown they want him back, even though their opening offer is risable, we could very well have to accept a low ball offer or be left with an unsettled and unhappy player.
Tbh Tes, I'd say he's on his way back to Newcastle at this stage.

At the beginning Rodgers would have praised him to the sky instead of giving a lukewarm
endorsement of Carroll's future at the club. After the first bid from Newcastle, they'd have
issued a point blank statement on Carroll's future with the club and ended it. I think the deal
is in the works and it's just a question of reaching a compromise now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 16, 2012, 09:36:39 PM
Anyway, it's besides the point, this Newcastle bid is just making us look ridiculous again. It's symptomatic
of the air of cluelessness that surrounds our club these days over the slightest thing. Once again a smaller
club is dictating the agenda, there's no leadership being provided and the story drags on the media for
days.

Agreed Ed. This audio clip wont do anything to improve your mood on the situation. By all accounts Carroll is leaving Liverpool. He was announced in the squad for America but hasnt traveled. According to this piece Liverpool have been pushing him towards other clubs since the end of last week. They want rid. Its worth a listen but as I say it doesnt make for good listening.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/kickoff/120716/hickman-newcastle-are-seat-take-carroll-liverpool-176772
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 16, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
Tbh Tes, I'd say he's on his way back to Newcastle at this stage.

Its no coincidence we are so poor when it comes to negotiations. I never understand why we cant play hardball in situations like these, set a price of say 20 million and basically keep the player unless the price is met. I understand we could potentially be left with an unhappy player but I think most players are professional enough to keep up a good level of performance even if a move doesnt materialise. It worked with the Alonso transfer, we got our 35 million and Alonso was on fire in his final season despite wanting to go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 16, 2012, 09:51:36 PM
Another Suso video, the final against Greece.

I think we possibly have our own Spanish Jack Wilshire in the making. He could possibly make a small first team impact this season because he looks like the exact sort of player Rodgers will look to implement into his  system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tWtvTkP_5II
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 16, 2012, 09:57:55 PM
Carroll update from the BBC, Newcastle are expected to come back with another loan offer with a view to signing the player for 13 million.

Liverpool want 20 million plus. I hope they stand firm.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850955
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 16, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
Hi hope you are all well. I have some news for you that I am sure you are aware of in terms of transfer business.

Newcastle offered us 40% of Carroll's wages (i.e. around £35,000 p/w) for the loan deal plus £13m at the end of the season. This was rejected, as you know, out of hand.

It says in the papers we want £20m. We don't.

We will accept Newcastle paying 100% of the wages on a season long loan deal plus a guaranteed fee of £16m for Carroll at the end of next season. If Newcastle offer that then we will accept.

Bellamy is off to Cardiff.

As I am sure you know we want Dempsey. However we aren't willing to pay the fee Fulham want. We have offered Adam in part exchange. Fulham well Jol wants Downing. However when we told them it'll be £12m plus Dempsey for Downing they have since cooled their interest in dealing with us.

Aquilani and Cole are unlikely to be here on September 1st. Depends if Rodgers can sign the midfielder he wants (Allen). If not then both will stay.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2012, 10:33:20 PM
Its no coincidence we are so poor when it comes to negotiations. I never understand why we cant play hardball in situations like these, set a price of say 20 million and basically keep the player unless the price is met. I understand we could potentially be left with an unhappy player but I think most players are professional enough to keep up a good level of performance even if a move doesnt materialise. It worked with the Alonso transfer, we got our 35 million and Alonso was on fire in his final season despite wanting to go.

Modric was hardly strolling around, with his hands in his pockets, lazily kicking at stones either, last season was he?

We don't sell him back to the Geordies, period. Buy him for £35m from a club that at the time were beneath us. Watch that money buy them a position above us, and sell him back to that same club at a loss of £15M+.
£20M loan fee for 18 months.

Whatever we do, yet again, we're going to look like rank amateurs. FSG have presided over a few disasters now. They have yet to make up for their own lack of subject knowledge with the proper appointments that render it irrelevant. What is the most worrying thing, more than who we buy or sell, is that they don't look like making the neccessary appointments. Is it ego or ignorance? Either way it's like the Queen Mary's anchor on a rowing boat.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2012, 10:47:22 PM
Hi hope you are all well. I have some news for you that I am sure you are aware of in terms of transfer business.

Newcastle offered us 40% of Carroll's wages (i.e. around £35,000 p/w) for the loan deal plus £13m at the end of the season. This was rejected, as you know, out of hand.

It says in the papers we want £20m. We don't.

We will accept Newcastle paying 100% of the wages on a season long loan deal plus a guaranteed fee of £16m for Carroll at the end of next season. If Newcastle offer that then we will accept.

Bellamy is off to Cardiff.

As I am sure you know we want Dempsey. However we aren't willing to pay the fee Fulham want. We have offered Adam in part exchange. Fulham well Jol wants Downing. However when we told them it'll be £12m plus Dempsey for Downing they have since cooled their interest in dealing with us.

Aquilani and Cole are unlikely to be here on September 1st. Depends if Rodgers can sign the midfielder he wants (Allen). If not then both will stay.

Carroll's book value will be circa £19.1M by the end of this season. That means we only lose £3M. Also, we save his wages for a year and only have to pay an arrangement for 3 remaining years, not 4. In terms of the books, that's not as bad a deal as it would seem. In fact, that deal would suit us better than selling him for £20M this Summer.

Downing's book value is circa £15M so I can see why they have backed off. That values Dempsey at £3M in the deal. If we're talking about Adam, value wise it should be a straight swap.

Good to see us looking to rid ourselves of Adam. Aquilani simply doesn't want to play in the PL or live in England and you can see the sense in getting rid of Joe Cole's wages as we could pay out the same over four years as we'll pay him over two and get better and longer term value for our money.

Bellamy's no surprise, but we need to replace his pace but for what we're paying him we should be getting two games a week for our money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 16, 2012, 10:56:40 PM
Agreed Ed. This audio clip wont do anything to improve your mood on the situation. By all accounts Carroll is leaving Liverpool. He was announced in the squad for America but hasnt traveled. According to this piece Liverpool have been pushing him towards other clubs since the end of last week. They want rid. Its worth a listen but as I say it doesnt make for good listening.
Yeah, this business about not having paid the full amount, means it's a dead cert Newcastle are in the driving seat and no
doubt the fat guy who owns them will do some grandstanding in front of the toon faithful by making us look ridiculous on the deal
(my understanding is like Spurs, they can play hard ball up there).

How long before we start hearing Borini needs a season to settle...


Its no coincidence we are so poor when it comes to negotiations. I never understand why we cant play hardball in situations like these.
Yeah, we've become a soft touch.

We don't sell him back to the Geordies, period. Buy him for £35m from a club that at the time were beneath us. Watch that money buy them a position above us, and sell him back to that same club at a loss of £15M+.£20M loan fee for 18 months.
Just can't see us getting it right on the pitch while we continue to blunder about with transfers. Shambles.

Depends if Rodgers can sign the midfielder he wants (Allen).
Gee ed, wtf is Allen. I mean Maradona yes i know that surname  ;)

Carroll's book value will be circa £19.1M by the end of this season. That means we only lose £3M. Also, we save his wages for a year and only have to pay an arrangement for 3 remaining years, not 4. In terms of the books, that's not as bad a deal as it would seem. In fact, that deal would suit us better than selling him for £20M this Summer..
Tes, i think you need to give the forum a tutorial on transfer business math  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2012, 01:52:15 AM
We don't have a thread for this, but here goes:

Does anyone know what this dude's role within the most successful club in
English football is...?

https://twitter.com/JenChang88

 ::)

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2012, 03:07:35 PM
Jim Boardman says:

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/lfc/2012-07-17/5979/uncertainty-for-carroll-points-to-rodgers-boldness.html/
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
We don't have a thread for this, but here goes:

Does anyone know what this dude's role within the most successful club in
English football is...?

https://twitter.com/JenChang88

 ::)

Replacement for Ian Cotton, who's name simply wasn't 'funky enough'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2012, 06:06:00 PM
Mirallas, scorer of 34 league goals in 49 starts, has a buy-out clause of €8.25million (£6.4million), or the cost of a Clint Dempsey.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 17, 2012, 06:41:07 PM
Mirallas, scorer of 34 league goals in 49 starts, has a buy-out clause of €8.25million (£6.4million), or the cost of a Clint Dempsey.

If we sign Dempsey at 29 and sell Carroll at 23 for a massive loss then all that stuff from FSG about 'buying young and selling for profit' is effectively garbage...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 17, 2012, 08:58:44 PM
I'll say this much for Brendan, he knows his own mind and is not scared to call the shots.

Selling Carroll, without the bloke even getting a game, tells me of someone who knows exactly what they want.

I admire him for that.  And that strength of character, and conviction, tells me that Carragher and Gerrard may play less of a role in the future than both imagine.

Now, on the downside, Brendan has had zero experience competing at the top level in england or europe (one season, 13 wins in the top division), thus he will not know or appreciate the standard of player that is needed to compete at this new level.

So these new strikers (Borini, and possibly the Olymiapos lad to follow) are jumps into the unknown. 

But I much prefer speculating on potential, than spraying ridiculous amounts of cash around on dubious quality players.  As I have said many times in here, I would sack or discipline every person at Anfield who was positively involved in the acquisition of Andy carroll.

Rodgers approach is a far healthier approach.  Time will tell if he is aware of the quality needed for this new level.

Title: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on July 17, 2012, 09:20:19 PM
Juan, absolutely love that video of Suso.  Thanks for posting the link.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 17, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
Selling Carroll, without the bloke even getting a game, tells me of someone who knows exactly what they want.
Dunno dude, Joe Cole, Alberto Aquilani, Jay Spearing, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam were
all given a chance. I think there's too much hype about this system thing with Rodgers like he
discovered DNA or something, I also think he talks too much and don't like his attitude that
we're some kind of small club that he's going to resurrect or whatever. He reminds me of an
annoying kid who went to see a movie and keeps going on about how brilliant it is even
though you haven't seen it.

I wonder what Rafa would have done with Carroll (coached him into a centre-back  :D). Anyway
I preferred his understated no-nonsense approach (very much his own man and not the owners
man). This BR gives me a headache with all his wisdom. I say to him stfu and get us top 4 in
his first season and then maybe he'll have a shred of credibility...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2012, 10:58:25 PM
If we sign Dempsey at 29 and sell Carroll at 23 for a massive loss then all that stuff from FSG about 'buying young and selling for profit' is effectively garbage...

Exactly. Dempsey has taken until the age of nearly 30 to have 'that season'. What evidence is there that he will have another? How few seasons has he got left to accomplish it in?

I'd rather pay out the money on a younger player with the next 6-8 seasons to offer us.

Dempsey has no time to settle in. We can't give him a season to get used to being at a 'big club'.

Dempsey's not that much younger than Maxi. He won't come here to earn a lot less than Maxi's salary. Where is the point in 'selling' a player who is proven at the highest level, an international for one of the biggest international sides in the world and a player who is both settled at the club and in the city to bring in a player who is none of the above, who's only real claim to fame is to have the same country of birth on his birth certificate as the owners.

A one year deal, with an option for us to offer a second based on performances this season, on a salary half of what Maxi was receiving, and a transfer fee south of £5M. That's still an outlay of more than £7M for one season.

Everytime I think about it or write anything about it, the less sense it makes each time. You should make your own veterans and senior players, not buy them in. It's the same as my belief on squad players, you make your own, young players on the way up, ex-first teamers who have just been 'upgraded'. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 18, 2012, 12:17:32 AM
Juan, absolutely love that video of Suso.  Thanks for posting the link.

Glad you enjoyed it Gurdeep. Suso sure looks like a top player in the making.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 18, 2012, 12:55:12 AM
If you dont want your eyes to bleed stop reading now.

The Daily mail is reporting that we are close to agreeing a 10 million pound fee with Fulham for Dempsey!!!!!  :o :o :o :o :o :o

If that has any truth in it Id love to know who the F**k negotiates transfer deals at Liverpool because clearly they have been at the club for about ten years now, dont get enough for the players we sell and pay highly over the odds for players we sign.

If the Mail are exaggerating and the fee is more like 5 million then I could live with that but 10 million for a 29 year old gamble is ludicrous.

Could there be more to it than just signing another player. Is it anything to do with the fact that we have American owners, we are currently touring America and our coverage in America will be heightened ten fold if we sign their golden boy while we are there? Is that why we are paying the inflated price. I dont know, after all the talk of investing in youth if this deal turns out to be in line with whats being reported Id be shocked and a little confused.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 18, 2012, 02:55:18 AM
Another Suso video, the final against Greece.

I think we possibly have our own Spanish Jack Wilshire in the making. He could possibly make a small first team impact this season because he looks like the exact sort of player Rodgers will look to implement into his  system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tWtvTkP_5II
Appeared to be running the show! (18,000 views on Youtube  :o )

10 million for a 29 year old gamble is ludicrous.
with a year left on his contract (i think!). I refuse to believe it. Mind you that could be the trigger that
sets in motion a Newcastle striker moving to United which would see Berbatov move on (to Fulham ? :) ).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 18, 2012, 10:40:05 AM
Sky reporting that Carroll has told Liverpool he refuses to leave the club on a permanent deal and wants them to consider loaning him out.

In fairness to the player he actually seems genuinely devastated the club wants rid of him and he seems to want to prove himself here. After his last 18 months here its admirable that he doesnt jump at the chance at going back to the Toon because for him it probably represents the easiest option.

Whether any of that ends up making a difference is another matter because as Jim B suggested in his piece yesterday Rodgers obviously doesnt believe Carroll is technically good enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 18, 2012, 11:49:54 AM
FSG have apparently shot thmselves in the foot by announcing the signing of clint dempsey on their own official site. Fulham have gone mad, said they arent even in negotiations and the story has now been removed by FSG.  Once again we look like amateurs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 18, 2012, 02:04:20 PM
FSG have apparently shot thmselves in the foot by announcing the signing of clint dempsey on their own official site. Fulham have gone mad, said they arent even in negotiations and the story has now been removed by FSG.  Once again we look like amateurs.
Yeah I thought we were going to sort out our media relations. Here we go again p*ssing off
another small club.

I finally bothered to check out Clint Dempsey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArBu5Vwi9Ek

Strikes me as a player to have as an option from the bench at a big club and then it'd be up to
himself how he progressed. Obviously if he was much younger there might be some optimism
about his prospects. In reality how long can this player be considered first 11 at Liverpool (if ever?)
Where does he fit into the plans for 2013/2014...? Which begs the question why we're shelling
out £10 million on him??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Which begs the question why we're shelling out £10 million on him??

Birthplace? American emotional prejudice? Lack of football knowledge? He has compromising pictures of Linda?
He has compromising pictures of Werner?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2012, 12:33:15 AM
We're linked with Joe Allen, but we've already got two young central midfielders in Shelvey and Henderson. Surely we should be looking to move on the likes of Spearing and Adam before adding any more and then there's the question of Aquilani.

Additionally, we need to be looking at the wide right forward position as we've lost Dirk and last season's solutions, Henderson and Downing, are no sort of solution.

Apparently Doni has left, though how true that is I'm not sure. I would have thought that Jones would be first in the queue to leave. I'd prefer to have Gulacsi as cover for Reina rather than Jones.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 20, 2012, 01:51:58 AM
We're linked with Joe Allen
Appears dynamic, needs to work on his shooting though (dreadful)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGZ9Oq5XXVE
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2012, 05:39:42 PM
We're linked with Joe Allen, but we've already got two young central midfielders in Shelvey and Henderson. Surely we should be looking to move on the likes of Spearing and Adam before adding any more and then there's the question of Aquilani.

Joe Allen 15 million and Clint Dempsey 10 million - Have FSG not learned anything since overpaying for Henderson and Downing last summer. It almost feels like an identical situation we're in.

An older player that none of the fans want the club to splash so much money on and a younger up and coming player that appears to be unproven and way overvalued. What next we will be trying to spend 30 million on Peter Odimwinge. We really need to be more clever with our cash. How Swansea think they can attempt to sign Siggurson for 7 or 8 million and sell us Allen for 15+. They must think we're mugs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 20, 2012, 06:20:13 PM
Joe Allen 15 million and Clint Dempsey 10 million - Have FSG not learned anything since overpaying for Henderson and Downing last summer. It almost feels like an identical situation we're in.
As long as i don't hear they need a season to settle in and it's not quite gelling yet with
the new system  ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 20, 2012, 07:46:12 PM
We are playing 4-3-3 next season and Lucas is still recovering from his injury so we need another midfielder and Allen fits the bill.

Our 4-3-3 next season could look like this:-


--------------------Reina--------------------


---Johnson---Skrtel---Agger----Enrique----


--------------------Lucas-------------------

-----------Henderson----Allen------------

-----Borini-------Suarez--------Gerrard------

Or swap Henderson for Dempsey and put Gerrard further back.

We need Allen because a future threesome of Lucas-Henderson-Allen when all 3 have great technique, possess good ball retention and have great game intelligence means we will be sorted in midfield for years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2012, 07:49:53 PM
As long as i don't hear they need a season to settle in and it's not quite gelling yet with
the new system  ;)

 ;D Ive been known to use that when defending Carroll, Downing and Henderson last season.

I wont be making the same mistake again this year, new players better hit the ground running this year or else........ :o
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
Sterling seems to be off out on loan. So much for the "if your good enough your old enough" then. In fairness though a season adapting to the Premier League on loan could be a good move for all concerned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9415831/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-may-loan-out-rising-star-Raheem-Sterling-as-he-seeks-to-dampen-hype.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 20, 2012, 08:03:06 PM
;D Ive been known to use that when defending Carroll, Downing and Henderson last season.
I'm the same and stand by it (though naturally it's disappointing to have had to say it about Downing).

Even reasonably there's an argument about adapting to a new system. In my opinion, a smart person
introduces a new system in a measured and staged fashion without compromising results (Reading)
and ditto the playing staff would ideally be brought in to complement what we have in so far as that is
possible without major disruptions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2012, 08:45:22 PM
They must think we're mugs.

How wrong would they be?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2012, 08:56:24 PM
Sterling seems to be off out on loan. So much for the "if your good enough your old enough" then. In fairness though a season adapting to the Premier League on loan could be a good move for all concerned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9415831/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-may-loan-out-rising-star-Raheem-Sterling-as-he-seeks-to-dampen-hype.html

I didn't think he could be loaned out until he was 18. I don't think the age or talent is the issue. Rodgers will have assessed whether or not he is mature enough and mentally ready. A season out on loan out of the spotlight without the pressure and expectation will give him a firm foundation to build on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 20, 2012, 10:17:09 PM
whether Sterling stays or gets loaned out, I wish Rodgers would stop f.ucking pontificating each morning, in front of the world;s media, about business that should be done behind closed doors.

despite what our 39 year old manager thinks, endlessly talking and airing our business in public each day, is most definitely NOT the Liverpool Way.

so Brendan, do the club a favour, and shut your trap for once.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 20, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
whether Sterling stays or gets loaned out, I wish Rodgers would stop f.ucking pontificating each morning, in front of the world;s media, about business that should be done behind closed doors.

despite what our 39 year old manager thinks, endlessly talking and airing our business in public each day, is most definitely NOT the Liverpool Way.

so Brendan, do the club a favour, and shut your trap for once.

Agreed, originally Andy Carroll being loaned was an option, now it's definitely not?
Then he doesn't discuss transfers and yet (unless I'm mistaken) has been mentioning
someone called Joe Allen and Clint Dempsey in the space of a week??

I think Tes was spot on with his line about the Evening Standard in Swansea.

I like a manager that has an ego but guaranteed whenever Bill Shankly or Alex Ferguson
opened their mouths, the reason was always to somehow benefit or get an advantage for
their clubs (ditto Mourinho). It's never because they love the sound of their voices and want
to impress the (generally despised) journos in front of them with their breadth of intelligence.
I'm hoping this is all about LFC and not Brendan Rodgers...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2012, 11:39:14 PM
How wrong would they be?

So right.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2012, 11:44:44 PM
I didn't think he could be loaned out until he was 18. I don't think the age or talent is the issue. Rodgers will have assessed whether or not he is mature enough and mentally ready. A season out on loan out of the spotlight without the pressure and expectation will give him a firm foundation to build on.

Very much agreed Tes, a season out on loan will do him a world of good especially if he could get some decent playing time. Somewhere like Wigan where Martinez tries to play football would be ideal but I cant see Wigan wanting much to do with LFC again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 12:11:08 AM
whether Sterling stays or gets loaned out, I wish Rodgers would stop f.ucking pontificating each morning, in front of the world;s media, about business that should be done behind closed doors.

despite what our 39 year old manager thinks, endlessly talking and airing our business in public each day, is most definitely NOT the Liverpool Way.

so Brendan, do the club a favour, and shut your trap for once.

Dude I agree and disagree. Rodgers is being very open about everything, his style of football, his transfer targets etc etc but in a way I think hes trying to use the media to shift the players he doesnt want while trying to get the ball rolling for the players he does.

Like he was initially vague with the media about Carroll possibly to flush out potential suitors. Likewise with Allen he couldnt bid due to the agreement between himself and swansea but if Allen requests to leave or if another club bids Liverpool can make their move.

But I do agree going forward Id prefer Brendan to practice what he preaches. Hes said a couple of times to the media that he wouldnt be talking about transfer targets but as I say he has.

I saw Fergie admitted he bid for RVP today. He said that Arsenal leaked it to the press and thats why he was willing to announce it. I suppose you cant blame Arsenal for attempting to create an auction situation but in fairness to United they generally go about their business extremely privately. Its the way a club should operate.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
I like a manager that has an ego but guaranteed whenever Bill Shankly or Alex Ferguson
opened their mouths, the reason was always to somehow benefit or get an advantage for
their clubs (ditto Mourinho). It's never because they love the sound of their voices and want
to impress the (generally despised) journos in front of them with their breadth of intelligence.
I'm hoping this is all about LFC and not Brendan Rodgers...

As I was saying to Dude, in fairness to Rodgers I think some of what hes saying does have a purpose. I think hes trying to prevent the deals for Allen and Dempsey dragging out.

By the way it seems Allen is nailed on according to Sky Sports. He better be worth it.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7919283/Reds-close-on-Allen-deal
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 21, 2012, 12:33:46 AM
As I was saying to Dude, in fairness to Rodgers I think some of what hes saying does have a purpose. I think hes trying to prevent the deals for Allen and Dempsey dragging out.
Maybe, but he shouldn't say that he doesn't discuss transfers and in the next breadth discuss transfers.

By the way it seems Allen is nailed on according to Sky Sports. He better be worth it.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7919283/Reds-close-on-Allen-deal
£15 million 's a lot for a kid. I watched the stuff on Youtube and while it's nice to see a young lad
having a go and a bit of verve, how these players make the step up to LFC first 11...

tbh, the guy (Powell, 18, ) United signed for £4million had something really special with his shooting
(rarely seen anyone strike a ball so cleanly, with a short pull back)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA53kGavLr0

Anyway Allen, i think it's 7 goals in 130 games for the Swans, hardly prolific...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 01:00:48 AM
Maybe, but he shouldn't say that he doesn't discuss transfers and in the next breadth discuss transfers.

Completely agree, hopefully it wont be the trend going forward.

£15 million 's a lot for a kid. I watched the stuff on Youtube and while it's nice to see a young lad
having a go and a bit of verve, how these players make the step up to LFC first 11...

tbh, the guy (Powell, 18, ) United signed for £4million had something really special with his shooting
(rarely seen anyone strike a ball so cleanly, with a short pull back)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA53kGavLr0

Anyway Allen, i think it's 7 goals in 130 games for the Swans, hardly prolific...

Rodgers has to get it right on Allen. He had enough time at Swansea to know if Allen would make the grade at a bigger club and clearly he thinks he will. We cant waste anymore money.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 01:06:53 AM
United look to have got a bargain there Ed. Powell definitely knows how to find the net and even worse hes scoring with both feet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 21, 2012, 01:47:47 AM
Rodgers has to get it right on Allen. He had enough time at Swansea to know if Allen would make the grade at a bigger club and clearly he thinks he will. We cant waste anymore money.
I'd be shocked if this lad walked into the Liverpool 1st 11...

My worry would be that he's not clinical in front of goal and it's a big big ask to burden him
with the mantle of goals from midfield in his first season.

Which begs the question why we'd shell out £15 million on him...

In effect, unless I'm mistaken he would also be our much anticipated creative midfielder.

I'd favour a swap deal with Swansea Adam + £3million for Allen. At least that's the ballpark I'd
begin negotiating in...It's nuts if we're starting and finishing bidding with £15million. Nuts! Totally Barmy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 04:22:00 PM
I'd be shocked if this lad walked into the Liverpool 1st 11...

My worry would be that he's not clinical in front of goal and it's a big big ask to burden him
with the mantle of goals from midfield in his first season.

Which begs the question why we'd shell out £15 million on him...

In effect, unless I'm mistaken he would also be our much anticipated creative midfielder.

I'd favour a swap deal with Swansea Adam + £3million for Allen. At least that's the ballpark I'd
begin negotiating in...It's nuts if we're starting and finishing bidding with £15million. Nuts! Totally Barmy.

It seems Ed if you believe the papers Allens being bought as a first eleven player. I wonder if Gerrard will be pushed out right.

As for swapping Adam, reports today suggest we are going to attempt to swap him for Dempsey. That wouldnt be such a bad deal.

Its good to see that Rodgers already knows the importance of Lucas to the team;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9417244/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-says-Lucas-Leiva-will-play-a-key-role-this-season-as-he-returns-from-injury.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
these must be cringeworthy times for dalglish.

we're trying to dump his signings from last year........carroll for as little as possibly half what kenny paid for the lad............and now adams might well be going as a make-weight in our efforts to snag Dempsey from Fulham.

rodgers is busy trying to clean up the awful mess left by dalglish.

I would support letting adams go......if it lightens the cost of dempsey (or allen).

but I would add this cautionary note.  Are Fulham employees really good enough to work at Liverpool.  Our two previous raids on Fulham (for defender Paul Konchesky, and for manager Roy Hodgson) were disasters.  Will Dempsey be any better?

And as for Allen at Swansea.  He is talented, but he is tiny.  He's only 5 feet 6 inches tall.  Will he offer a significant presence in the middle of the park.  I have strong misgivings.   


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 21, 2012, 06:17:21 PM
It seems Ed if you believe the papers Allens being bought as a first eleven player.
Where though?

For argument's sake this lineup (I stuck Dempsey 6' 1" up front because he can header the
ball from what I've seen and because I'm not entirely sure where Carroll fits into BRs 4-3-3).

Johnson                                               Enrique

               Henderson              Lucas
                                  Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                     Downing
                               (Dempsey?)

An alternative formation incorporating Allen (I stuck Borini in there though I
see his role as a sub).

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                              Henderson   

                                 Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Borini
                             
Now I've gone crazy with the strikers and left out most of Kenny's signings:

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                                 Gerrard   

                                Dempsey
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Borini


This one includes Allen but retains physicality with Henderson in the middle & Dempsey up front .

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                              Henderson   

                                 Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Dempsey


Then finally, I stick Carroll in and left out the squad players (Dempsey, Borini & Allen)

Johnson                                               Enrique

                    Gerrard              Lucas
                               Henderson
                                        |
                  Suarez                     Downing
                                   Carroll


Then I decided to stop  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Who else from the potential Top Four competitors is looking at Allen?

Thought so, so why are why bidding against ourselves with a £15M bid?

How many years has Allen got on his contract? £15M is a huge, huge sum of money for a young player with one season under his belt who is hardly getting admiring glances from any other high ranking clubs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
calm down, calm down, Tes!   

you worry too much.

if it doesn;t work out for 15 million Allen at Anfield, the club has a fall-back plan.

come next summer, we can loan the midget vertically-challenged lad out to another club.

now before you start worrying about nobody else being able to afford to take on his big wages, have no fears.  We as a club, will pay his wages when he goes out to the other club on loan.   

rest assured, we have a plan.  Nobody kicks sand in our face.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
calm down, calm down, Tes!   

you worry too much.

if it doesn;t work out for 15 million Allen at Anfield, the club has a fall-back plan.

come next summer, we can loan the midget vertically-challenged lad out to another club.

now before you start worrying about nobody else being able to afford to take on his big wages, have no fears.  We as a club, will pay his wages when he goes out to the other club on loan.   

rest assured, we have a plan.  Nobody kicks sand in our face.

Time I kicked my shoes off and placed my hands behind my head. All is in hand.

I hope we're all not as right this year with the problems we highlight as we were in the first two transfer windows of Dalglish/Comolli.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2012, 08:31:55 PM
Time I kicked my shoes off and placed my hands behind my head. All is in hand.

I hope we're all not as right this year with the problems we highlight as we were in the first two transfer windows of Dalglish/Comolli.

Tes, we should be employed at Anfield.

You can be Chief Executive/managing Director.......and I will be manager.

Given the past couple of seasons, we couldn't be any worse than what has been at the club.

Our European scouting system, since Rafa has left, is a total joke.    The club should have swiped Carr from Newcastle.  He seems to know his EasyJet way around all the grounds in Europe.  Our lot can hardly get out of John lennon Airport without a nose-bleed.  Unless they can find a player on youtube or wikipedia, they are lost.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on July 21, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
I hear rumours we're after Sweden's Oscar Wendt. He's crap. He's a poor man's Konchesky.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 21, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
How many years has Allen got on his contract? £15M is a huge, huge sum of money
for a young player with one season under his belt who is hardly getting admiring
glances from any other high ranking clubs.
Total madness, he's a player you might sign as an afterthought (if the conditions
were right) having assembled key spine players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
Total madness, he's a player you might sign as an afterthought (if the conditions
were right) having assembled key spine players.

He's this year's Henderson.

And how come Laudrup's not exactly doing the 'tooth and nail' bit over Allen, now he's signed Micu for a fraction of what we'll pay for Allen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 21, 2012, 10:36:18 PM
He's this year's Henderson.
Which is the point really, imo.

The struggles of Henderson & Carroll (even the older Adam) to acclimatise last season
is the reason I'd be wary of slotting unproven talent (1 season wonders from smaller
clubs) into the first team from the off.

I think it's much easier for them mentally if they expend their energies at the beginning
fighting their way into the first team (however long that might take).

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2012, 10:38:12 PM
We seem to like our big fish coming from small ponds.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 11:21:14 PM
Which is the point really, imo.

The struggles of Henderson & Carroll (even the older Adam) to acclimatise last season
is the reason I'd be wary of slotting unproven talent (1 season wonders from smaller
clubs) into the first team from the off.

I think it's much easier for them mentally if they expend their energies at the beginning
fighting their way into the first team (however long that might take).

I suppose the only difference between Henderson and Allen is that Rodgers has coached Allen. Dalglish or his talent spotters probably bought Henderson on the back of Sunderlands 3 nil win over Chelsea where Henderson ran the show.

I understand reservations about Allen, I have them myself but the fact that Allen has played under Rodgers should potentially remove some of the element of risk in the deal.  That said he has potential to be the Henderson of this summer just like Dempsey could be the Downing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 11:31:56 PM
We are playing 4-3-3 next season and Lucas is still recovering from his injury so we need another midfielder and Allen fits the bill.

Our 4-3-3 next season could look like this:-


--------------------Reina--------------------


---Johnson---Skrtel---Agger----Enrique----


--------------------Lucas-------------------

-----------Henderson----Allen------------

-----Borini-------Suarez--------Gerrard------

Or swap Henderson for Dempsey and put Gerrard further back.

We need Allen because a future threesome of Lucas-Henderson-Allen when all 3 have great technique, possess good ball retention and have great game intelligence means we will be sorted in midfield for years.

We are definitely going to line up something like that Ed but its going to be hard to tell what Rodgers has in mind when it comes to the team. I think Gerrard is no longer going to be first name on the team sheet, theres no definite position you would have him play. And as you say does Henderson play and where does Dempsey fit in when he signs. Interesting times!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2012, 11:38:33 PM
Where though?

For argument's sake this lineup (I stuck Dempsey 6' 1" up front because he can header the
ball from what I've seen and because I'm not entirely sure where Carroll fits into BRs 4-3-3).

Johnson                                               Enrique

               Henderson              Lucas
                                  Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                     Downing
                               (Dempsey?)

An alternative formation incorporating Allen (I stuck Borini in there though I
see his role as a sub).

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                              Henderson   

                                 Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Borini
                             
Now I've gone crazy with the strikers and left out most of Kenny's signings:

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                                 Gerrard   

                                Dempsey
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Borini


This one includes Allen but retains physicality with Henderson in the middle & Dempsey up front .

Johnson                                               Enrique

                       Allen              Lucas
                              Henderson   

                                 Gerrard
                                        |
                  Suarez                  Dempsey


Then finally, I stick Carroll in and left out the squad players (Dempsey, Borini & Allen)

Johnson                                               Enrique

                    Gerrard              Lucas
                               Henderson
                                        |
                  Suarez                     Downing
                                   Carroll


Then I decided to stop  :D

Lol the two Eds are giving themselves headaches over our potential lineup next season.

Its clear Rodgers will play the 433 he played at Swansea. If he signs Dempsey and Allen I see them as starters, likewise Borini and Suarez. Gerrard will probably get the nod because I cant see Rodgers upsetting the apple cart too early by leaving him out. Lucas when fully fit is a certainty. Not many places up for grabs if we do sign who we are being linked with. Looking at the players we have Adam and Carroll wont get near the starting eleven imho. In fact I think Adams a gonner.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2012, 11:40:16 PM
We are definitely going to line up something like that Ed but its going to be hard to tell what Rodgers has in mind when it comes to the team. I think Gerrard is no longer going to be first name on the team sheet, theres no definite position you would have him play. And as you say does Henderson play and where does Dempsey fit in when he signs. Interesting times!

If Gerrard carries on with England, it's bound to take it's toll. If he finds himself starting less regularly then he knows what he has to do. Plenty before him have done it and reaped the rewards.

Wherever he plays he's going to have to show more discipline than he has in the past. His best season was out wide right and with the dearth of cover there it wouldn't be a bad thing for him to be used there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2012, 11:41:51 PM
Lol the two Eds are giving themselves headaches over our potential lineup next season.

Ed to Ed.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Rodgers has to get it right on Allen. He had enough time at Swansea to know if Allen would make the grade at a bigger club and clearly he thinks he will. We cant waste anymore money.

Also, we already have two young central midfielders, in Shelvey and Henderson, at the club.
I'd prefer to see Rodgers work with them and concentrate what funds we do have on strengthening the wide forward areas, especially as we've lost Dirk and Maxi already, and we could add Bellamy to the list aswell.

Then there's the centre half positions. And what about some competition for Enrique at left back, and can we rely on the fitness of Johnson and Kelly to make sure we're well covered at right back.

There just seems to be far more pressing matters and need for funds than to be spending a huge chunk of our budget on yet another young central midfielder. We all know it will take time and I'm sure we'll all understand if the manager addresses other areas of the team and squad before the centre of midfield. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2012, 01:24:17 AM
Lol the two Eds are giving themselves headaches over our potential lineup next season.

Ed to Ed.  ;D

two Eds are better than one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 22, 2012, 02:15:01 PM
HAHAHA   :)  :D

Really 15 million for Allen and of his ability and age sounds right to me. 15 million is a small price to pay for a player who could be key to our midfield for the next 10 years.

Plus, he won't be on too much wage wise.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2012, 02:46:42 PM
15 million is a small price to pay for a player who could be key to our midfield for the next 10 years.

Plus, he won't be on too much wage wise.

can the lad manage to reach the Anfield sign though......or will he need a step-ladder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 22, 2012, 03:45:57 PM
who could be key to our midfield for the next 10 years.
Anyone occupying the Liverpool midfield for 10 years would need to be world class.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2012, 04:13:55 PM
Anyone occupying the Liverpool midfield for 10 years would need to be world class.

anybody occupying Rafa's midfield would need to be close to, or world class.

anybody in kenny, woy or houllier's midfield, merely needed to be average (and ideally cost a lot).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
anybody in kenny, woy or houllier's midfield, merely needed to be average (and ideally cost a lot).

As good as that, Dude, are you sure?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2012, 04:40:21 PM
HAHAHA   :)  :D

Really 15 million for Allen and of his ability and age sounds right to me. 15 million is a small price to pay for a player who could be key to our midfield for the next 10 years.

Plus, he won't be on too much wage wise.

Does that mean our budget is bigger than we're all thinking it is, as there are a lot more positions that need quality to be recruited for them before central midfield.

Or maybe we have buyers lined up for all our excess and sub standard central midfielders.

I just think this is one signing we don't need to make yet and the price yet again is the top side of too high.

Micu for £2M is an example of value, as was the Podolski and Marin signings. Bayern did well getting Xherdan Shaqiri for the price they did.

Yet again there's quality and value to be had but we appear to be choosing another route entirely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2012, 04:47:50 PM
Adam on the move, or maybe not:

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2012/07/everton-linked-with-liverpool-midfielder/ (http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2012/07/everton-linked-with-liverpool-midfielder/)   :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 22, 2012, 05:15:09 PM
I just think this is one signing we don't need to make yet and the price yet again is the top side of too high.
I mean Kagawa cost in the £15million ballpark:

Manchester United have agreed a deal reported to be worth an intial £12m to sign Japan midfielder Shinji Kagawa from German side Borussia Dortmund.

The 23-year-old needs to pass a medical and obtain a UK work permit, but the Old Trafford club expect both to be completed by the end of June.

It is thought the fee could reach £17m depending on success and appearances.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18262878
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 22, 2012, 06:05:09 PM
It will most likely be £11m plus £4m in add ons.

Budget is not bigger than we think it is but the system we are going to play means that we need another midfielder. Allen fits the bill for Rodgers.

If we play 4-3-3 then we'd have Lucas, Henderson, Aquilani, Adam, Allen, Gerrard, Shelvey and Suso who can play as part of that three. One suspects Aquilani is going and as I stated we offered Adam as bait for Dempsey. That means Lucas, Henderson, Gerrard with Shelvey and Suso supplementing those three. With Lucas coming off a big injury and Gerrard being injury prone, we definitely do need another midfielder so that it gives us extra depth in a 4-3-3 formation.

I don't think many other positions do need looking at really. The defence is sorted. We just need to add another forward to Suarez and Borini, plus a replacement for Carroll.

I expect to sign 4 players in total this window. Borini, Allen, Dempsey and Carroll's replacement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2012, 10:36:38 PM
Enrique needs cover/competition, Kelly and Johnson between them struggle to cover a full season, Agger breaks regularly and Carra really shouldn't be a first team player of any sort. Skrtel may/may not have had his head turned and if we have three attacking/forward positions Suarez, Borini, (Dempsey) and Carroll's replacement aren't enough to cover 3 positions if 5 (or 6) midfielders aren't enough to cover 3 midfield positions.

We seem to go through every Summer window unable to resist adding a central midfielder and unable to add a wide forward/winger of any talent. It's like Groundhog Day.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on July 23, 2012, 06:02:04 PM
Enrique has Jack Robinson and Andre Wisdom as competition plus Glen Johnson can play in that position. We shouldn't waste money on a left back.

Kelly and Johnson together have the right back slot sorted between them. Flanagan and McLaughlin are next in line, so it would be very foolish to spend money on the right back area.

Wisdom, Sama, Coates and Wilson will and can back up Skrtel, Agger, Coates and Carra. I don't think we need to spend money on this area this season. Once Carra retires then yes and if Coates doesn't step up then yes, however at this time I would say no.

It looks like we may get Ba plus £12m for Carroll. This means in our squad a forward line of Suarez, Borini, Dempsey, Ba plus Carroll's replacement. Plus Morgan.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 23, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
Enrique has Jack Robinson and Andre Wisdom as competition plus Glen Johnson can play in that position. We shouldn't waste money on a left back.

Kelly and Johnson together have the right back slot sorted between them. Flanagan and McLaughlin are next in line, so it would be very foolish to spend money on the right back area.

Wisdom, Sama, Coates and Wilson will and can back up Skrtel, Agger, Coates and Carra. I don't think we need to spend money on this area this season. Once Carra retires then yes and if Coates doesn't step up then yes, however at this time I would say no.

It looks like we may get Ba plus £12m for Carroll. This means in our squad a forward line of Suarez, Borini, Dempsey, Ba plus Carroll's replacement. Plus Morgan.

 

Please Santa, for the love of god can we have some wingers!!!!! We can have all the defenders and strikers (odd considering Rodgers only likes playing one..) in the world but without a decent midfield they'll do nowt...

Interesting now that it's all the youngsters coming through...another thing which will not be given any credit for due to Rafa building it...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2012, 07:52:46 PM
Kelly and Johnson together have the right back slot sorted between them.

Ordinarily I'd agree but as both are as liable to breaking as Agger, 'sorted' as not quite how I feel about it, and a couple of untried youngsters, especially Ryan McLaughlin, to push Enrique and keep his mind 'from wandering' as it appeared to during the second half of the season on too many occasions, appears to say we'll trust in young players in these positions but not the plethora of more senior players in midfield.

My confusion is building.

I also seem to have missed the Dempsey signing. As they used to say at school, I must try harder and pay more attention.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2012, 07:54:30 PM
Interesting now that it's all the youngsters coming through...another thing which will not be given any credit for due to Rafa building it...

So what does this appear to tell us. Rodgers has lots of trust or very little money?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 23, 2012, 08:06:48 PM
So what does this appear to tell us. Rodgers has lots of trust or very little money?  ;D

 the latter methinks...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 23, 2012, 08:42:03 PM
who needs money, when we have the biggest source of hot air since the Hindenburg.

we're gonna blow the opposition away.

(cue a very cross Martin entering arena, to kick my posterior) 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 23, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
who needs money, when we have the biggest source of hot air since the Hindenburg.

we're gonna blow the opposition away.

(cue a very cross Martin entering arena, to kick my posterior) 

& we've got THE SYSTEM!

Jesus, when they started off the friendly against Toronto by refusing take the ball beyond their
own 18 yard area for the first 10 minutes, i actually started reading the advertising hoardings.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
who needs money, when we have the biggest source of hot air since the Hindenburg.

The Hindenburg's air did get a touch on the hot side.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 24, 2012, 01:09:29 AM
Enrique has Jack Robinson and Andre Wisdom as competition plus Glen Johnson can play in that position. We shouldn't waste money on a left back. 
Is that the same Andre Wisdom who played right back against Toronto? (and looked rather green to me).

"Though operating most regularly in the centre of defence, he can also apply his skills on the right or in midfield."

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/first-team/player/andre-wisdom

The Hindenburg's air did get a touch on the hot side.
The Henry's Ayre was not the rightful heir (to the md position).
They did err methinks cos the Air stinks!

Please Santa, for the love of god can we have some wingers!!!!!
To enter a season where Stewart Downing, 28, is the only recognised winger would deny us some
width perhaps? (here we go overlapping full-backs...i'm not convinced)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 24, 2012, 07:10:21 PM
The Hindenburg's air did get a touch on the hot side.

To enter a season where Stewart Downing, 28, is the only recognised winger would deny us some
width perhaps? (here we go overlapping full-backs...i'm not convinced)

Maybe Carra can get out on the wing? He will surely have more maneuverability than the Hindenburg? Hmm then again....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 24, 2012, 10:00:05 PM
Maybe Carra can get out on the wing? He will surely have more maneuverability than the Hindenburg?
would probably go down like a lead Zeppelin  :D

I note Sitee are top notch in the Sports Science department

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18887653

These are areas (while we can't afford £30million transfers) that we need to excel at
to get a cost-effective competitive edge (no excuses really).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2012, 12:25:35 AM
From the Times:


Swansea stick to guns and reject player-plus-cash deal for Joe Allen

Swansea City have indicated that they will not accept a knockdown fee for Joe Allen or any makeweights from Liverpool after they turned down a player-plus-cash deal for the Wales midfield player.

Liverpool had been willing to pay Swansea in the region of £10 million and allow a squad player, believed to be Jonjo Shelvey, to move to the Liberty Stadium on loan for next season, but the offer was rejected by Huw Jenkins, the Swansea chairman.

Swansea’s valuation of Allen stands at £15 million, in keeping with an exit clause that was inserted in the four-year contract signed by the 22-year-old last summer.

Although Allen has not asked to leave Swansea, his present club recognise the attraction of a potential move to Merseyside, where the midfield player would be reunited with Brendan Rodgers, the new Liverpool manager who arrived at Anfield from the South Wales club last month.

Jenkins, though, is adamant that the full valuation must be met before he considers sanctioning the departure of Swansea’s most prized asset.

Tottenham Hotspur are also interested in Allen, who is in the Great Britain Olympic squad, and could make a move should Luka Modric finally complete a transfer to Real Madrid. But Liverpool remain favourites to capture Allen’s signature.

The complication for Liverpool is Rodgers’s agreement with Swansea not to return to his former club to try to sign any of their players for the next 12 months. It is understood, however, that the accord can be dropped at Swansea’s request if a deal suits them, meaning that it is up to Liverpool to make an offer for Allen that is too good to be turned down.


So now hopefully we move on. £10M + the use of Shelvey for a season (though that benefits us just as much) is more than a good offer for a player with a solitary season in the PL.

Moussa Sissoko would cost about the same and would be a better buy having played in Ligue 1 since his debut in the 2007-08 season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2012, 12:32:03 AM
From: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178503/Arsenal-agree-Santi-Cazorla-fee-16m-Malaga.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178503/Arsenal-agree-Santi-Cazorla-fee-16m-Malaga.html)

The Gunners have agreed personal terms with the player and a fee of £16million with the club, who must settle outstanding debts before the end of the month or face relegation from La Liga. And Wenger is  confident the 27-year-old will not be the final signing of the summer. Wenger admires the Spanish winger and has swooped to take advantage of the financial uncertainty afflicting Qatari-backed Malaga.

Wenger looks to have changed tac with the signings of Podolski (27) and Giroud (25) and now Cazorla (27) and also seems to be spending a fair sum of money (for him).

Also it's interesting to see that the Arab Sugar Daddy at Malaga doesn't appear to be the answer to all their prayers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 25, 2012, 12:00:22 PM
Confusing  ::)

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2012/07/25/3264418/rodgers-blasts-unfair-criticism-of-carroll

"There is no doubt he is a terrific talent."


"For me, your game is based on your players, the players you have."


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2012, 11:04:50 PM
Confusing  ::)

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2012/07/25/3264418/rodgers-blasts-unfair-criticism-of-carroll

"There is no doubt he is a terrific talent."


"For me, your game is based on your players, the players you have."


It's what as a player you'd want to hear your manager say publicly and as a fan it's what you'd expect. He's been backpedaling since he first commented on Carroll in answer to the question he was asked.

He's learning to make neutral comments, reducing the chance for the media to twist, spin or generally misrepresent his words.

Danny Graham isn't your average quick, mobile forward but Rodgers got him playing to a decent standard and scoring goals in the PL, which is quite a feat considering Graham is definately no more than a Championship player at best.

Quite a few of Carroll's goals at Newcastle weren't headers from crosses or set pieces but from where he found space or the pass created that space for him and he finished accordingly. If we can set him up in that way he may score a few and he's always a danger from set pieces, which even tickety tackety teams get and if coached correctly could make a contribution for us defending set pieces like Drogba did for Chelsea, as we lack height, and even our centre backs aren't the strongest in the air or at defending set pieces period.

It's also interesting to see we're going back to 'the dreaded Rafa zonal marking' which could benefit us as most of our defenders are used to that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 02:24:56 AM
[bLiverpool set to snap up £750k Wolves keeper De Vries before landing £15m Allen][/b]

25 July 2012


Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is poised to sign Wolves goalkeeper Dorus de Vries in a £750,000 deal.

The move for another former Swansea player comes as the Welsh club reacted angrily to details of midfielder Joe Allen’s contract clause becoming public.

Sportsmail revealed Liverpool are to sign Allen for £15million and the deal is to be completed after the Olympics.

A Swansea statement read: ‘The club are extremely disappointed that speculation regarding aspects of his contract have been released by parties outside the club.’

De Vries, 31, joined Wolves on a free transfer last summer.

Liverpool are expected to off-load keepers Brad Jones and Alexander Doni.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178984/Liverpool-set-sign-Dorus-Vries-Wolves.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178984/Liverpool-set-sign-Dorus-Vries-Wolves.html)

Jones I can understand getting rid of but not Doni. Doni didn't look a bad keeper when covering for Reina. Maybe it's a case of him being unable to settle in this country.
And we still appear to be doing what we've done far too often recently and that's buying in players that are hardly an improvement on who they'll replace.
Unless we can get a noticeable upgrade keep the cash for all these players, invest in fewer but get quality over quantity and try and get an improvement out of the player(s) that was/were to be replaced by a marginal upgrade. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 02:33:41 AM
Spurs are really pushing the boundaries this Summer as they're rumoured to be after Willian of Shakhtar Donetsk (Chelsea recently had a bid rejected and I've seen it mentioned several times that Shakhtar want around £20M for him) and Porto left winger Christian Atsu.

We all know how expensive Porto players end up being.

Without the bounty of CL to play with, you've got to wonder where Spurs are getting all this money from.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 26, 2012, 01:13:11 PM
Spurs are really pushing the boundaries this Summer as they're rumoured to be after Willian of Shakhtar Donetsk (Chelsea recently had a bid rejected and I've seen it mentioned several times that Shakhtar want around £20M for him) and Porto left winger Christian Atsu.

We all know how expensive Porto players end up being.

Without the bounty of CL to play with, you've got to wonder where Spurs are getting all this money from.

I suppose with the money they are going to receive from Modric coupled with whatever they have to spend they could end up with the bones of 60 million. Realistically I dont see them signing half of the players they are talking about though. I think Spurs like to think they can mix with the big boys in the transfer market but aside from maybe buying Moutihno we wont see too many expensive deals. Wages is a big sticking point for them, hence Adebayor still hasnt completed his move. I have a feeling Spurs will struggle this year. With Modric potentially moving, with AVB coming in, Parkers struggling for fitness and Adeybayor isnt guaranteed to return I think AVB might find Harrys fourth place finish a tall order.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 26, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
Gaston Ramierez is apparently in talks with an unnamed English club with the view to a 20 million pound move.

I cant see us paying that kind of money for him. Reports on the player have questioned his ability. We cant afford anymore expensive gambles.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7933890/Ramirez-set-for-Prem-move
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 26, 2012, 02:51:05 PM
Spurs, under strict chairman Levy, are certainly pushing the boat out.

But I predict a disappointing season for them (top 6 at best).  Harry Rednapp is a far better manager than AVB.  Thus, they will come up short in the dugout department.

I cannot see them competing with the top tier of clubs, for a top 4 spot.  We face a similar season ahead too. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 09:23:09 PM
The top four 'appears' to be picking itself. Let's someone familiar can gatecrash the party.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2012, 10:05:16 PM
Here's our 33 goals a season guy Woo Ork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6xFti0taQ&feature=g-vrec

I think his middle names begin with d and w  :P
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
Here's our 33 goals a season guy Woo Ork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6xFti0taQ&feature=g-vrec

I think his middle names begin with d and w  :P

The only place to see Dirk in a red shirt now. Sad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
Here's our 33 goals a season guy Woo Ork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6xFti0taQ&feature=g-vrec

I think his middle names begin with d and w  :P

I wonder what Uruguayan Spanish for woodwork is?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2012, 10:59:49 PM
I wonder what Spanish for woodwork is?
LOL, carpintería...(may be carpentry  :) ).

los postes laterales y el travesaño.

I think (ahem, Google Translate suggested) this means side post and crossbar.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 11:01:59 PM
los postes laterales y el travesaño.

So that's all the female impersonators and people of changed gender alienated.  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2012, 11:23:09 PM
Apparently Joe Allen's picked up an injury. That's sealed the deal. £15M and injured. Just the way our club appears to like them.  :D

I can't see why we can't wait another year before looking to spend £15M on Allen. If he proves himself next season then we pay £15M for a £15M player.
If he bombs we have the opportunity to pay £5M-£7.5M and try and turn him into a £15M player. If we can't we have a £5M-£7.5M player that we paid £5M-£7.5M for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2012, 11:27:10 PM
So that's all the female impersonators and people of changed gender alienated.  :D
Heck my Spanish wouldn't be the best, Torres translates as goals
(least it used to, I think it means d*ckhead now, great the way they update
their language  :D)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2012, 12:48:37 PM
Heck my Spanish wouldn't be the best, Torres translates as goals
(least it used to, I think it means d*ckhead now, great the way they update
their language  :D)

 :D  I think I may have a copy of the Ed Spanish dictionary. So much more educational and informative than the bland old Collins versions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
I wonder what Uruguayan Spanish for woodwork is?

 :D :D :D

well the Spanish (in this part of the world) for wood, is madera

unsure what the spanish for work, is in this context.

if I were kenny in south america, with my broken spanish, I would be ranting about MUCHO MADERA

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2012, 02:14:31 PM
:D :D :D

well the Spanish (in this part of the world) for wood, is madera

unsure what the spanish for work, is in this context.

if I were kenny in south america, with my broken spanish, I would be ranting about MUCHO MADERA

No wonder my Mum's Madera cake was always as tough as teak.  If the ball had have hit it, it would have exploded on impact (the ball not the cake).  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2012, 03:33:18 PM
 :D :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2012, 03:41:43 PM
Spurs, under strict chairman Levy, are certainly pushing the boat out.

But I predict a disappointing season for them (top 6 at best).  Harry Rednapp is a far better manager than AVB.  Thus, they will come up short in the dugout department.

I cannot see them competing with the top tier of clubs, for a top 4 spot.  We face a similar season ahead too.

Agreed with all of that. Tbh I was initially hoping we would replace Kenny with AVB but Im glad we didnt. I think the jury is out on how good of a manager he is, Chelsea could still turn out to be a blip in his career but the guy has his head in the clouds. Ive seen a few of his press conferences and havent been impressed. Next season is a big one for is career.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2012, 03:49:09 PM
Here's our 33 goals a season guy Woo Ork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6xFti0taQ&feature=g-vrec

I think his middle names begin with d and w  :P

Sickening.

I wonder how many points the woodwork cost us, as in ignoring the games where we won anyway.

I know many will disagree but if we had won the games we deserved to win we would have been there or there abouts for CL places.  The final third of the pitch killed us. Saying that though there was something more fundamentally wrong than just being unlucky.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2012, 03:52:17 PM
[bLiverpool set to snap up £750k Wolves keeper De Vries before landing £15m Allen][/b]

25 July 2012


Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is poised to sign Wolves goalkeeper Dorus de Vries in a £750,000 deal.

The move for another former Swansea player comes as the Welsh club reacted angrily to details of midfielder Joe Allen’s contract clause becoming public.

Sportsmail revealed Liverpool are to sign Allen for £15million and the deal is to be completed after the Olympics.

A Swansea statement read: ‘The club are extremely disappointed that speculation regarding aspects of his contract have been released by parties outside the club.’

De Vries, 31, joined Wolves on a free transfer last summer.

Liverpool are expected to off-load keepers Brad Jones and Alexander Doni.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178984/Liverpool-set-sign-Dorus-Vries-Wolves.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2178984/Liverpool-set-sign-Dorus-Vries-Wolves.html)

Jones I can understand getting rid of but not Doni. Doni didn't look a bad keeper when covering for Reina. Maybe it's a case of him being unable to settle in this country.
And we still appear to be doing what we've done far too often recently and that's buying in players that are hardly an improvement on who they'll replace.
Unless we can get a noticeable upgrade keep the cash for all these players, invest in fewer but get quality over quantity and try and get an improvement out of the player(s) that was/were to be replaced by a marginal upgrade.

Doni has talked about being unsettled himself during the season. Jones isnt good enough.

I trust Rodgers if he feels Vries would be a capable understudy. In fairness with Reinas consistency and he fact that hes rarely injured its hard to find a keeper that is good enough but also willing to play second fiddle.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2012, 03:57:28 PM
Apparently Joe Allen's picked up an injury. That's sealed the deal. £15M and injured. Just the way our club appears to like them.  :D

I can't see why we can't wait another year before looking to spend £15M on Allen. If he proves himself next season then we pay £15M for a £15M player.
If he bombs we have the opportunity to pay £5M-£7.5M and try and turn him into a £15M player. If we can't we have a £5M-£7.5M player that we paid £5M-£7.5M for.

How was Allen last night? I saw clips of him and he looked like a player who used the ball well. Anyone actually watch the whole game?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 27, 2012, 05:28:15 PM
:D  I think I may have a copy of the Ed Spanish dictionary. So much more educational and informative than the bland old Collins versions.
LOL  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2012, 07:44:06 PM
How was Allen last night? I saw clips of him and he looked like a player who used the ball well.

Sad thing is Juan the majority of foreign players can do that to at least a 'decent' degree. When a British, though mostly an English player, shows any sign of being able to do, he gets lauded.  We shouldn't be paying 'caviar prices' for 'bread and butter' players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2012, 09:12:35 PM
Agreed with all of that. Tbh I was initially hoping we would replace Kenny with AVB but Im glad we didnt. I think the jury is out on how good of a manager he is, Chelsea could still turn out to be a blip in his career but the guy has his head in the clouds. Ive seen a few of his press conferences and havent been impressed. Next season is a big one for is career.

agreed, Juan.  The jury is out on AVB.  There is gonna be a helluva pressure on him this season.  And Levy is a hanging judge.  If Spurs do not get off to a good start, the shadow of the rope will be hanging over the dugout very quickly.

rule of thumb, never appoint folk in their 30s, to top managerial jobs in the premiership. 

they just do not have the experience to cope.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2012, 09:52:39 PM
One season of success with Porto and suddenly, well the world's gone mad I tell ye, mad, mad, mad.

He was never going to replicate Mourinho because he hadn't had the club management Mourinho had. Nevermind achieving success THEN bettering it.

AVB believed/s his own hype. He should have stayed at Porto for at least another year, seen if he could repeat either the title or UEFA Cup victory before even thinking of moving on.

Mourinho is one of a kind. A thoroughly repugnant a-hole of a human being but someone who just 'gets' football, and unsurprisingly can relate to and with footballers. You don't win the number of league titles and CL with the number of different clubs in the range of countries, money or not, if there's not 'something' about you.

I'm glad we didn't get him or be the club where he attempts to repair a paper thin (anyway) reputation and get his 'career' (back) on track. Levy is a tough task master. But I wouldn't say 'no' to having someone like him at Anfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
But I wouldn't say 'no' to having someone like Levy at Anfield.

 agreed with all your earlier points.
 
 re Levy.  I know what you mean.  He is a tough task master.  The crucial question will be, will Levy recognise a top manager when he finally gets one.  Will he then give that man the time and the resources to develop the club.  SO far, I see someone with very little patience.   Or is it more of a social problem - does he quickly get bored and/or fall out with people.   
 
 time will tell re Levy. 
 
 But at some point, he will have to give a top boss time.  Patience is the key.   

Long term success is not built on continually sacking people and endlessly restructuring a club.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2012, 11:10:46 PM

 agreed with all your earlier points.
 
 re Levy.  I know what you mean.  He is a tough task master.  The crucial question will be, will Levy recognise a top manager when he finally gets one.  Will he then give that man the time and the resources to develop the club.  SO far, I see someone with very little patience.   Or is it more of a social problem - does he quickly get bored and/or fall out with people.   
 
 time will tell re Levy. 
 
 But at some point, he will have to give a top boss time.  Patience is the key.   

Long term success is not built on continually sacking people and endlessly restructuring a club.

That's possibly Levy's one flaw. Football is a business, a football club has to be run like a business, but it's a business like no other. Context is too often underrated and underestimated.

I wonder how long both Rodgers and AVB will get and how long both Levy and our owners think is long enough, and if they have the ability to re-assess those parameters based on issues and circumstances that are not known at present, but may/will arise.

For now I'd settle for seeing a balanced team, functioning how a team is supposed to and with evidence that the football being played is showing signs that it is achieving and will continue to achieve results.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 27, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
agreed, Juan.  The jury is out on AVB.  There is gonna be a helluva pressure on him this season.  And Levy is a hanging judge.  If Spurs do not get off to a good start, the shadow of the rope will be hanging over the dugout very quickly.
Yeah, the media don't like AVB...

AVB believed/s his own hype. He should have stayed at Porto for at least another year, seen if he could repeat either the title or UEFA Cup victory before even thinking of moving on.
Wait 'til the press cotton on to there being two Mourinho disciples managing top clubs in direct competition
(actually we're playing Spurs tomorrow). Cue endless articles with them pictured head to head. I'm thinking
they may cast AVB as the arrogant remote type vs. Brendan the humble man manager. Time will tell who comes
out on top...

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2012, 11:24:57 PM
That's possibly Levy's one flaw. Football is a business, a football club has to be run like a business, but it's a business like no other. Context is too often underrated and underestimated.

I wonder how long both Rodgers and AVB will get and how long both Levy and our owners think is long enough, and if they have the ability to re-assess those parameters based on issues and circumstances that are not known at present, but may/will arise.

our owners, and the mouth Rodgers, mistakenly reckon that they have plenty of time.

let me tell you, if we are mid-table at Christmas, and not doing much better by March/April, the calls for Rodgers sacking from the Anfield fans will be deafening.   At that point, our owners will have to make a big call....be it Rafa, or some other very experienced manager.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
Yeah, the media don't like AVB...
Wait 'til the press cotton on to there being two Mourinho disciples managing top clubs in direct competition
(actually we're playing Spurs tomorrow). Cue endless articles with them pictured head to head. I'm thinking
they may cast AVB as the arrogant remote type vs. Brendan the humble man manager. Time will tell who comes
out on top...

I don't think Brendan will fit in Mourinho's coat though. He's looking a bit tubby: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2179935/Brendan-Rodgers-gives-Liverpool-owners-180-page-dossier-clubs-future.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2179935/Brendan-Rodgers-gives-Liverpool-owners-180-page-dossier-clubs-future.html) (Third picture down).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2012, 09:56:35 AM
If Skrtel looks like leaving then one name I'd put forward to replace him is Montpellier's Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. Both AC Milan and Arsenal have been linked with him (always a decent guide when big teams are linked to a player) and we are likely to get him for less than we'd get for Skrtel (especially if we start asking the sort of price any other club would ask for an international player, with two years left on his contract, which we want to keep), as he's only got a year left on his contract. At 23 he's the ideal sort of age we should be looking at and he's got 3 years first team experience in the French top league.

At the moment I still don't think Wilson's ready to cover for anything other than the odd game, Kelly's yet to play at centre half for the first team, and then's there's Carra  ::).

If Skrtel leaves or looks like leaving we have to be ready. Agger with one of Coates or Carra is simply not enough, especially considering Agger will break a few times during the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2012, 10:04:27 AM
Spurs are after Allen and for less than we've got to pay:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/264339/Tottenham-go-for-cut-price-Swansea-star-Joe-Allen/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/264339/Tottenham-go-for-cut-price-Swansea-star-Joe-Allen/)

Do Spurs not have a set of scouts of their own?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
Liverpool accept Alberto Aquilani offer from Fiorentina

Liverpool have accepted an undisclosed offer from Fiorentina for Italian midfielder Alberto Aquilani.

The 28-year-old has flown to Italy from the Reds' pre-season tour of the United States to complete his move.

Liverpool are likely to step up their attempts to sign Swansea's Joe Allen if the deal proceeds as expected.

Aquilani has failed to settle at Anfield since signing in 2009 for £20m from Roma and has been on loan for the last two seasons.

His stints at AC Milan last term and Juventus in the 2010-11 season mean he did not play for former Reds' managers Kenny Dalglish and only made two appearances for Roy Hodgson.

And despite having two years' left on his contract and completing pre-season under new boss Brendan Rodgers, it appears that his time at Liverpool is coming to a conclusion.

Rafael Benitez brought Aquilani to Anfield as a replacement for Xabi Alonso, but he struggled with injury and made 26 appearances in his first season.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19043308 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19043308)

If it's true, and I have my doubts, I wonder how much it cost us to get them to take him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2012, 12:05:20 AM
Arsenal have signed Santi Cazorla for around £15M or a Joe Allen. That's 3 decent deals they've struck this Summer.

There seems to be some decent deals out that but as per we seem to be turning our nose up at them.

And they might be getting Nuri Sahin on a season's loan.

Nuri Sahin, Santi Cazorla, Joe Allen - spot the odd one out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 30, 2012, 12:47:48 AM
this is what scares me.

i.e. teams that were miles ahead of us last season, are strengthening even more for next season, with top quality technical players from mainland europe...........while the quality of lad we are looking to bring in (allen) scares me.

allen is 5 feet 6 inches.........simply too small at this level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on July 30, 2012, 01:59:27 PM
this is what scares me.

i.e. teams that were miles ahead of us last season, are strengthening even more for next season, with top quality technical players from mainland europe...........while the quality of lad we are looking to bring in (allen) scares me.

allen is 5 feet 6 inches.........simply too small at this level.


Terrifying really....Maxi and Kuyt gone, Aquilani going and Skrtel and Agger probably going. Maybe Skrtel and Agger have seen something that has unnerved them...
Thats a heck of a lot of skilful talent being let go to balance the books...
The Yanks do realise that balancing the books is all very well but not much use if we struggle to get into the top half of the table?
So now we're being linked with the likes of Allen...A couple of mil less than Cazorla? Have we not learned anything after last summers transfer debacle??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 30, 2012, 04:14:11 PM
Terrifying really....Maxi and Kuyt gone, Aquilani going and Skrtel and Agger probably going. Maybe Skrtel and Agger have seen something that has unnerved them...
Thats a heck of a lot of skilful talent being let go to balance the books...
The Yanks do realise that balancing the books is all very well but not much use if we struggle to get into the top half of the table?
So now we're being linked with the likes of Allen...A couple of mil less than Cazorla? Have we not learned anything after last summers transfer debacle??

we've learned nothing, barticus.

we are paying major money for limited talent.   Whereas other clubs, like arsenal, can pay similar types of money, for top technical talent from europe.

this close-season, we have actually gone backwards.  Losing Kuyt and Maxi, on top of Mereless last year, is utter madness.  Their replacements are of lesser quality, and usually very expensive.

and our rivals are moving further ahead, with their own new players this summer.

we are downsizing.  The regular fan will catch that on in the next year or two.  The yanks thought they could do it on the cheap, and will learn otherwise. 

Thus, they won't pay the money and bring in a top chief executive (like a david dein).   They won't pay the money and bring in a top experienced manager (like a rafa benitez).  Instead they prefer to bring in a young lad, that they can recruit for peanuts (and pretend that it is all part of some progressive plan for our future well-being).

they won't pay the wages, to have top people like kuyt, maxi and mereless, on our books.  Thus they ship them out - regardless of the fact that they were our top players.

in any other industry, this is called downsizing.

I suspect that come February or March, they will have a riot on their hands at Anfield.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
The only thing we're downsizing is the quality of player we're aiming for when compared to other clubs, and the fees we seem prepared to pay are not being downsized relative to the lesser level of quality.

It's as though January and Summer 2011 never happened.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2012, 03:06:24 PM
With City having two bids turned for Agger and Skrtel rumours still going strong, not going for Jan Vertonghen, especially when we were talking about £7M, looks like a mistake. Even if neither leave it gives us cover and competition for both and makes  sure Carra remains a 'last resort'.

This is exactly what I mean about Rodgers having to keep an eye on potential replacements for certain players if the re-organising / downsizing means we fail to get CL football in the next two years. The owners need to understand this and be ready as in this example to help Rodgers out with transfer 'cashflow'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
Also, when it became obvious that fourth was just 'pie in the sky' under Dalglish last season, we suggested that he should have used the remainder of the season to blood Coates and prepare him for this season.

If he had we would know if we already had Agger or Skrtel's replacement in Coates and in reality it would be last season's Coates we would be looking replace.

We bought both Agger and Skrtel whilst younger, for sensible prices. We should already know whether Coates makes it three or whether we do have to replace any outgoing centre half with a top replacement or we can promote Coates and then look for the 'next' Skrtel, Agger, Coates type for sensible cash to develop. It would have also given the manager some extra cash to reinforce another position.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on July 31, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
Also, when it became obvious that fourth was just 'pie in the sky' under Dalglish last season, we suggested that he should have used the remainder of the season to blood Coates and prepare him for this season.

If he had we would know if we already had Agger or Skrtel's replacement in Coates and in reality it would be last season's Coates we would be looking replace.

that is what should have happened last year - kenny giving the younger lads a chance.

but like i said at the time, come Feb/march/April/May, dalglish was fighting for his job.......and playing newbies was never gonna happen.

so much for the club being bigger than any individual.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 31, 2012, 06:40:54 PM
Also, when it became obvious that fourth was just 'pie in the sky' under Dalglish last season
I disagree Tes. The performances up to the injury to Lucas in the league, the profligacy in front of goal,
the disruption of the Suarez affair, plus the two cup runs suggest to me that we were closer than a lot of
people give us credit for to mounting a challenge for 4th last season. Imo, the problems are rooted in the
incompetence/short-sightedness that lies at the heart of decision-making within the club across a number
of areas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
I disagree Tes. The performances up to the injury to Lucas in the league, the profligacy in front of goal,
the disruption of the Suarez affair, plus the two cup runs suggest to me that we were closer than a lot of
people give us credit for to mounting a challenge for 4th last season. Imo, the problems are rooted in the
incompetence/short-sightedness that lies at the heart of decision-making within the club across a number
of areas.

Ed, I'm on about the point in Feb/March or when ever it was and it was obvious we weren't making fourth, we should have turned that situation to our advantage and blooded the likes of Coates and given Shelvey much more time. We said so at the time.

Now it would have benefitted us with the rumours circulating about Agger and Skrtel. If one leaves we know we could /couldn't replace them straight off with Coates and therfore whether we were bringing in a younger player to replace Coates as cover or a player to replace Agger/Skrtel as Coates wasn't ready.

Your right about short-sighted decision-making and it was Dalglish's that could end up costing us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 31, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
Ed, I'm on about the point in Feb/March or when ever it was and it was obvious we weren't making fourth
Dunno, it was such a shambles at that point anyway.

Your right about short-sighted decision-making and it was Dalglish's that could end up costing us.
Kenny, naturally deserves a certain amount of criticism but does relinquishing control of the vision
of the club to an untested newbie somehow solve the problem.

Everyone forgets the contribution to our success made by the likes of Geoff Twentyman (The brains
behind a conveyor belt of stellar talent that kept us at the top). Compare & contrast that with the recent
fumblings with loan players and it's clear to me that it's not about 1st 11 or the manager but being
competitive across every area of the club. FSG need to pull the finger out and stop trying to let the LFC
franchise take care of itself and lose the on the cheap attitude, we need a serious and experienced
football person  with strong decision making ability dead centre running the club and it's not in my opinion
Brendan Rodgers (who's merely the coach) or Ian Ayre (get real!).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2012, 10:12:33 PM
Everyone forgets the contribution to our success made by the likes of Geoff Twentyman (The brains
behind a conveyor belt of stellar talent that kept us at the top). Compare & contrast that with the recent
fumblings with loan players and it's clear to me that it's not about 1st 11 or the manager but being
competitive across every area of the club. FSG need to pull the finger out and stop trying to let the LFC
franchise take care of itself and lose the on the cheap attitude, we need a serious and experienced
football person  with strong decision making ability dead centre running the club and it's not in my opinion
Brendan Rodgers (who's merely the coach) or Ian Ayre (get real!).

There's a few of us one here who haven't and long for the day when once again we had a scout or scouts who could actually pick a player.

The thing is Ed, we've made these points over and over on here since Henry, Werner et al arrived, and still nothing changes. We are so lacking in so much infastructure and expertise in too many areas.
Where's the football knowledge in the boardroom? The scouting at every age group from 1st team downwards is failing to find the players that other clubs manage to. Our transfer negotiations are a joke. The media handling and PR is non-existant. Likewise our influence within the FA's corriders of power, and we simply have no-one who knows how to handle the politics side of football.

Henry and Werner are baseball people, brought up with the game and not only have a knowledge of it there's the advantage for the Redsoxs of them having an emotional attachment as well as a business one.
With us, there's nothing approaching that. I'm not sure how far they'd go to 'really' learn about all aspects of football. If they can't summon up the enthusiasm to immerse themselves like they do with baseball, then they need to appoint a board and a CEO and a management structure to do it instead.

Ian Ayre is third division, on a good day. If they invested in the management side then all the money going through the club could bring a far greater reward than it is doing as we would be so much smarter about how we did everything. We would give off an impression of a well run ship, strong, efficient, respected, but we're not and we don't.

Do Henry and Co see it yet, will they ever or have they decided to 'try' to be successful on the cheap. Afterall, we're not a 'franchise' in their beloved baseball. 

This is not a whinge about transfer 'spending' but rather a lack of 'investment' in the whole club structure that is required for a club to stand the chance of ultimately being successful.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on July 31, 2012, 10:41:19 PM
There's a few of us one here who haven't and long for the day when once again we had a scout or scouts who could actually pick a player.

The thing is Ed, we've made these points over and over on here since Henry, Werner et al arrived, and still nothing changes. We are so lacking in so much infastructure and expertise in too many areas.
Where's the football knowledge in the boardroom? The scouting at every age group from 1st team downwards is failing to find the players that other clubs manage to. Our transfer negotiations are a joke. The media handling and PR is non-existant. Likewise our influence within the FA's corriders of power, and we simply have no-one who knows how to handle the politics side of football.

Henry and Werner are baseball people, brought up with the game and not only have a knowledge of it there's the advantage for the Redsoxs of them having an emotional attachment as well as a business one.
With us, there's nothing approaching that. I'm not sure how far they'd go to 'really' learn about all aspects of football. If they can't summon up the enthusiasm to immerse themselves like they do with baseball, then they need to appoint a board and a CEO and a management structure to do it instead.

Ian Ayre is third division, on a good day. If they invested in the management side then all the money going through the club could bring a far greater reward than it is doing as we would be so much smarter about how we did everything. We would give off an impression of a well run ship, strong, efficient, respected, but we're not and we don't.

Do Henry and Co see it yet, will they ever or have they decided to 'try' to be successful on the cheap. Afterall, we're not a 'franchise' in their beloved baseball. 

This is not a whinge about transfer 'spending' but rather a lack of 'investment' in the whole club structure that is required for a club to stand the chance of ultimately being successful.
I agree 100%

The crazy thing is that the appointment of Rodgers is a sound one if there's a DoF. He doesn't work out,
1 season is lost, but the club continues and the decisions have been taken with a strong eye on how they
affect the future of the club hence signing Allen, Dempsey and loaning Carroll are properly scrutinised, but
more importantly there's a firewall in place to protect LFC.

It's absolute madness, imo, when a guy is stepping up to the challenge of coaching a top club and then
additionally insists on and is given carte blanche to oversee all these other really important responsibilities
that require serious decision-making experience at the highest level.

What really annoys me though is rather than hearing announcements about appointments of important
people to senior positions this Summer from the FFSG ( :D ) we've been treated to a serious of glib one-liners
and self-eulogising statements from the guy from Swansea FC.

Now we're supposed to enter the new season, full of blind-faith and if it doesn't work out be patient. ::)

I'm rational (sometimes  :) ) and reasonable enough to make the argument that:

a) There's no guarantee (obviously because the coach has no winning pedigree to speak of)
that it will work out.

b) Surely if it doesn't work out, we're in a worse position to that in which we started because all the
important decisions have been tainted by the guy who hasn't worked out.

FFS  :'(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2012, 11:33:30 PM
I agree 100%

The crazy thing is that the appointment of Rodgers is a sound one if there's a DoF. He doesn't work out,
1 season is lost, but the club continues and the decisions have been taken with a strong eye on how they
affect the future of the club hence signing Allen, Dempsey and loaning Carroll are properly scrutinised, but
more importantly there's a firewall in place to protect LFC.

It's absolute madness, imo, when a guy is stepping up to the challenge of coaching a top club and then
additionally insists on and is given carte blanche to oversee all these other really important responsibilities
that require serious decision-making experience at the highest level.

What really annoys me though is rather than hearing announcements about appointments of important
people to senior positions this Summer from the FFSG ( :D ) we've been treated to a serious of glib one-liners
and self-eulogising statements from the guy from Swansea FC.

Now we're supposed to enter the new season, full of blind-faith and if it doesn't work out be patient. ::)

I'm rational (sometimes  :) ) and reasonable enough to make the argument that:

a) There's no guarantee (obviously because the coach has no winning pedigree to speak of)
that it will work out.

b) Surely if it doesn't work out, we're in a worse position to that in which we started because all the
important decisions have been tainted by the guy who hasn't worked out.

FFS  :'(

Totally agree, Ed. We're at a point where we have to get this right or we could be faced with the best we can achieve is being 'best of the rest', permanently marooned outside of the top four.

It's all well and good having a young coach but there seems to be no experienced team behind him or a set of experienced people above him, as you say to create a 'firewall' and hopefully lessen the risks of mistakes that could prove truly damning. His methods and theories are all in an embryonic state, unproven with time or experience.

Patience is easier to have if there is previous evidence that the manager's methods are successful. It's a massive leap of faith at a time when money is the real difference maker and we don't even have that to fall back on to help get us back on track should we have the odd deviation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 01, 2012, 12:05:44 AM
Totally agree, Ed. We're at a point where we have to get this right or we could be faced with the best we can achieve is being 'best of the rest', permanently marooned outside of the top four.
Yeah because essentially at club level we lack strength in depth and it takes time, experience and
astute judgement  to assemble a squad of people to run the show behind the scenes. (plus a finger on the
pulse of the football network to know who's up and coming, top of their game and on the wane
in the different fields of expertise). All we've seen is knee-jerk, chopping and changing of personnel.

It's all well and good having a young coach but there seems to be no experienced team behind him or a set of experienced people above him, as you say to create a 'firewall' and hopefully lessen the risks of mistakes that could prove truly damning. His methods and theories are all in an embryonic state, unproven with time or experience.
Agree, it's unprecedented for a coach to resort to blowing his trumpet ahead of any concrete footballing
achievement (I mean the Special One had won the Champions League) and in particular to do so with
something as paltry as a 180 page report. It reeks of self-promotion and lacks any of the humility befitting
his status in the game.

Even just to have an experienced person to have a quiet word in the ear and tell him in the nicest possible
way to STFU would be a start. I mean it hardly engenders any sort of confidence in the gaffer if on the one
hand he wants to talk about a book he wrote (maybe he could go on Oprah after the Dude to talk about it  :D)
and on the other states that it took Spurs 6 transfer windows to reach top 4...

Patience is easier to have if there is previous evidence that the manager's methods are successful. It's a massive leap of faith at a time when money is the real difference maker and we don't even have that to fall back on to help get us back on track should we have the odd deviation.
I think so, Rafa had major achievement behind him as did Fergie. BR is definitely not in that league and the stakes are higher
than ever.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 01, 2012, 12:38:53 AM
Making that 180 page document public shows a lack of understanding of what is expected at a top club. Why mention it unless it was a spot of self promotion. And therefore, why feel the need for self promotion?
Or is it self justification? The only way he will justify the owners' coice and faith in him is by delivering. We make a fist of a challenge for fourth. We may finish fifth, but that means finishing ahead of one of the two Mancs, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea.
That will be progress, and by extension, justification for him being chosen.

If he stops the slide down the league and at the same time avoids embarrassment in the two domestic cups and we put on a strong show in Europe and do ourselves justice, then most people will feel he's made a solid start.

By telling us all how he's this and that, will do this, believes in that etc, he's setting himself up for a fall. He's in the job, he's anounced himself, told the world who and what he thinks he is, now he needs to just get his head down and start putting things in place.

He's had so little time to prepare for the start of our season on Thursday, and with the staggered arrival of his squad for pre-season training, plus the likes of Coates, Suarez and Bellamy absent etc, I'm surprised he's had any time to talk as much as he has.

I hope he realises that excuses or 'reasons' will not suffice on Thursday or next week. We have to go through. We have to be in the competition proper when it kicks off. We are synonymous with European competition. It's not an occassional treat but part of our staple football diet.

Hopefully we'll actually have something worth talking about on Thursday, rather tha have to talk about talk anymore.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 01, 2012, 01:22:27 AM
Making that 180 page document public shows a lack of understanding of what is expected at a top club. Why mention it unless it was a spot of self promotion. And therefore, why feel the need for self promotion?
Or is it self justification?
Yeah, I can't quite put my finger on why it unnerves me too. I think it has something to do with
the odd motivation behind it....I mean by all means if you're a young confident manager come
in and tell the Mancs that you're going to knock them off our perch etc. but to say that predictions
for next season are garbage? and divulge information about the hiring process that also serves
to tell us some useless information about a 180 page report submitted to people who wouldn't
be able to understand it anyway (almost as if he was dying to tell people....i mean wtf indiscreet
or what).

The only way he will justify the owners' choice and faith in him is by delivering. We make a fist of a
challenge for fourth. We may finish fifth, but that means finishing ahead of one of the two Mancs,
Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea. That will be progress, and by extension, justification for him being chosen.

If he stops the slide down the league and at the same time avoids embarrassment in the two domestic cups
and we put on a strong show in Europe and do ourselves justice, then most people will feel he's made a solid start.
I'd probably call off the attack dogs  :D can't vouch for the Dude though (sometimes he can be awful stubborn
about things...don't think he liked the second coming of that Dalglish fella   ;D )

I'm surprised he's had any time to talk as much as he has.
Sure seems to have more time to talk to the press then certain players in the squad. Which f**kin' reminds me,
is it my imagination or was Enrique unbelievably poor in pre-season to date??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2012, 05:32:35 AM
The crazy thing is that the appointment of Rodgers is a sound one if there's a DoF.

great posts above, from you and Tes.

pretty much agree with all the points made.

the one thing I didn't agree on, was the above point, Ed.

I would never have a director of football about the place.    They never work in British football. 

And if we had brought in Van Gaal, this summer as DoF,  the writing would have been on the wall from day one.  Van Gaal, one imagines, would have been angling for a job in the dugout.     The politics would have been fierce and divisive for the club.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2012, 05:50:43 AM
I'd probably call off the attack dogs  :D can't vouch for the Dude though (sometimes he can be awful stubborn
about things...don't think he liked the second coming of that Dalglish fella   ;D )

 :D     I called Dalglish out before his appointment (as did a few others here).  And after 5 or 6 games of the season, I knew for sure that we were done for.   A bloke hopelessly out of his depth.  If it had been a boxing match, his trainer would have thrown in the towel after the first round.

Making that 180 page document public shows a lack of understanding of what is expected at a top club. Why mention it unless it was a spot of self promotion. And therefore, why feel the need for self promotion?
Or is it self justification?

By telling us all how he's this and that, will do this, believes in that etc, he's setting himself up for a fall.

He's had so little time to prepare for the start of our season on Thursday.........I'm surprised he's had any time to talk as much as he has.

I will go on the record and say that I think Rodgers is nowhere near good enough, to manage at a top club. 

He has won the grand total of 13 games in the premiership. 

Those involved in his appointment are rank amateurs.  They have nothing to offer the club, on the pitch.

The club, overall, is being down-sized.  Perhaps it is being fattened up for market, I have no idea.  Or perhaps our american owners believe that success is template-driven and they have some master plan for achieving it on the cheap. 

I have never known the club to be so weak across it's entire management, coaching, scouting or player resources.
Title: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on August 01, 2012, 09:07:11 AM
:D     I called Dalglish out before his appointment (as did a few others here).  And after 5 or 6 games of the season, I knew for sure that we were done for.   A bloke hopelessly out of his depth.  If it had been a boxing match, his trainer would have thrown in the towel after the first round.

Yep, I remember that like it was yesterday. 

At the time I felt Dalglish was the right appointment, but that line of thought was based on previous glories when I was a wee whipper snapper and viewed football through the eyes of a kid.  You were 100% spot on Dude with your analysis and I fear you will be correct again in regards to Brenda. 

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 01, 2012, 11:52:20 AM
Or perhaps our american owners believe that success is template-driven and they have some master plan for achieving it on the cheap. 


Yup...i think it's fairly obvious now that they want to do it on the cheap. If that brings down the debt and makes us more attractive to investors then maybe that's the reason...it's early days with Rodgers and thursday will see if actions back up his many words...
if they don't then there is an obvious candidate waiting in the wings who can do things on the cheap and can bring in tactical guile and as long as he's free from a job then we have at least have a plan b...

the coming months are some of the most important in the clubs history...thursday will show us if there is light at the end of the tunnel or not...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 01, 2012, 12:40:23 PM
I will go on the record and say that I think Rodgers is nowhere near good enough, to manage at a top club. 
Lol, to quote Al Capone in the Untouchables imo he's:

"A lot of talk and a coaching badge"  :D

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 01, 2012, 04:54:28 PM
I see Pacheco has been left out of the Europa league squad.

Its great to see that Rodgers has given every player a fresh start at the club, that players wont be judged on where they are from but more so on what they offer and how good they play. What a load of b*llocks.

Its already the same old sh*t as last year. If Rodgers were picking players based on performance then Pacheco would have been in that squad. He was one of the few attacking positives from the North American tour. We're back to the same old politics, leave a technically good player out so we can bring rubbish like Spearing who will never be good enough.

Im so sick of being conned into believing that this club is moving forward. Its the same sh*t with just somebody else in charge. At least Kenny had the balls to move Carragher towards the door. Rodgers is already integrating him back in as an integral part of the squad. We will never compete for fourth (never mind speak of title challenges) with technically poor players like Spearing playing or over the hill players like Carragher still being considered integral.

This was the first opportunity for Rodgers to back up his claim that he wasnt just after short term results and he was patiently building for the future. We're playing FC f**king Gomel. With Suarez and Bellamy out, with Kuyt and Maxi gone, with Downing showing no form whatsoever if I were the likes of Pacheco Id realise the writings on the wall and that it would probably be best to move on to a club that would choose you based on performance and ability over where your from.

Sick to death at the way this club is run.

Apologies rant over.

By the way heres Pachecos tweet at being left out, model professional as always;

"unfortunately I'm not involved for the match on Thursday. I will keep working. Always. One day it will come"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Lol, to quote Al Capone in the Untouchables imo he's:

"A lot of talk and a coaching badge"  :D

 :D

when someone mentions badges, I keep thinking of the non-requirement for displaying any stinking badges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=VI6KvXmytUs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=VI6KvXmytUs)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Yup...i think it's fairly obvious now that they want to do it on the cheap. If that brings down the debt and makes us more attractive to investors then maybe that's the reason...it's early days with Rodgers and thursday will see if actions back up his many words...
if they don't then there is an obvious candidate waiting in the wings who can do things on the cheap and can bring in tactical guile and as long as he's free from a job then we have at least have a plan b...

the coming months are some of the most important in the clubs history...thursday will show us if there is light at the end of the tunnel or not...

yes, barticus, Thursday is where all the talk has to stop and the walk begins.

we have shipped out our best technical players, in the past 18 months, and replaced them with much lesser quality.

the golden days are over.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 01, 2012, 05:56:13 PM
:D

when someone mentions badges, I keep thinking of the non-requirement for displaying any stinking badges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=VI6KvXmytUs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=VI6KvXmytUs)
The great Alfonso Bedoya   ;D

Always reminds me of that time Masch got sent off against United  ;D:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=abYVMftzTjE#t=1m50s
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2012, 06:10:55 PM
Yep, I remember that like it was yesterday. 

At the time I felt Dalglish was the right appointment, but that line of thought was based on previous glories when I was a wee whipper snapper and viewed football through the eyes of a kid.  You were 100% spot on Dude with your analysis and I fear you will be correct again in regards to Brenda.

I hope that I am wrong, Tes.

I want the new guy to succeed.  But, like you and others in here, we bring a fair bit of experience (and knowledge) to the table.    Historically, no-one of his young age, (i.e. in their 30s) has ever succeeded at a top club in England.  Indeed, I am lost to think of anyone (apart from AVB at chelsea) of his age who has even been appointed at a top club before (in england).   

Rodgers is the type of guy that an Aston Villa, a Newcastle or a Spurs would have gone after (in the past).  In other words, someone who had displayed early potential in a young career, most often in a lower division.

re Dalglish.  The lad took over a supertanker, in 1985, that was sweeping all before it.   We were a power-house of success.  We bossed Europe.  It took him 5 or 6 years to turn it around.  Eventually, he managed to make enough bad decisions (e.g. Aldridge, Beardsley), as to initiate the ending of our era of dominance.  We brought in, during the late 80s, star performers.  The likes of John Barnes needed little management......you just gave him the ball.   

Dalglish should have never managed Liverpool at any time in it's history.  He was, quite simply, never good enough.   The super-tanker, that we were in the 80s, hurtled on and remained successful in the second half of the 80s, DESPITE Dalglish, not because of him.

Bobby Robson was always my preference (in 1985 and later).  Ferguson and Toshack were two other favourites of mine, at the time. 

 
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
The great Alfonso Bedoya   ;D

Always reminds me of that time Masch got sent off against United  ;D :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=abYVMftzTjE#t=1m50s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abYVMftzTjE#t=1m50s)

makes me actually misty eyed (seriously) watching that video (when I see the top personnel like Mascherano and Benitez, that we only recently had at the club).

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 02, 2012, 02:11:12 PM

By the way heres Pachecos tweet at being left out, model professional as always;

"unfortunately I'm not involved for the match on Thursday. I will keep working. Always. One day it will come"

Bravo on Pacheco...similar thing from Carroll where 'the powers that be' seem to have accepted the loan deal to West Ham (are we a feeder club for the hammers now?) but he's said feck that for a game of soldiers and wants to stay and fight for a place...
Hmm there seems to be a similar theme here as well under kenny...maxi and kuyt exasperated at their treatment get forced out even though they want to stay...

to quote Alphonse Karr...'the more things change the more things stay the same...'

Not all is lost...at least we have the ever present Carra...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 02, 2012, 02:22:07 PM
'Various reports suggest that Joe Allen has agreed terms with Liverpool with a 'source' telling the South Wales Evening Post that the deal will "set him up for life".

The two clubs are yet to agree a fee but Liverpool have apparently offered £12.5m and Jonjo Shelvey on loan.'

Glad Allen is coming for football reasons then...




Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 02, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
 
'Various reports suggest that Joe Allen has agreed terms with Liverpool with a 'source' telling the South Wales Evening Post that the deal will "set him up for life".

The two clubs are yet to agree a fee but Liverpool have apparently offered £12.5m and Jonjo Shelvey on loan.'

Glad Allen is coming for football reasons then...

 ;D ;D ;D

Ive always dreamed of being stinking rich playing for Liverpool!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 02, 2012, 04:14:36 PM
to quote Alphonse Karr...'the more things change the more things stay the same...'

Not all is lost...at least we have the ever present Carra...

Alphonse Karr, that lad was way before his time!

If he was around to put some of his quotes in a memo he would have been in with a good shout for the Liverpool job!  :P
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2012, 05:21:48 PM
At least we're consistent. This transfer window is proving no less head-scratching than many recent previous ones.

You'd hope for once we'd learn from mistakes, not turn them into a routine.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
Liverpool Join Tottenham In Chase For Porto Winger

Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur are hunting Porto’s Christian Atsu, as both clubs seek to provide depth to their wide areas.
 

It was Tottenham manager Andre Villas-Boas who originally promoted the lively winger to Porto’s first team during his tenure at the Portuguese club, and the former Chelsea boss is interested in bringing the rapid wide man to north London, following an impressive spell out on loan to Rio Ave last campaign, Metro report.

 

Liverpool are monitoring the 20-year-old winger’s progress, following his impressive season at the Portuguese minnows, where he bagged six goals in 27 appearances. Brendan Rodgers’ penchant for swift, incisive wide players, as was evident during his tenure at Swansea, suggests he may look to strengthen that area of his team, following the sale of Maxi Rodriguez earlier in the summer and Stewart Downing’s poor form last season.


According to the Metro, Porto will allow the Ghanaian to go out on a season-long loan with an option to buy afterwards, but both Liverpool and Tottenham are keen to take the player on a permanent basis.


http://sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/liverpool-join-tottenham-in-chase-for-porto-winger-18967/ (http://sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/liverpool-join-tottenham-in-chase-for-porto-winger-18967/)

What's wrong with 'try before you buy'? Take the player on loan, see if he can adapt to and cope with the PL and settle in the area, deal with wonderful British climate et, etc.
It avoids a potentially expensive mistake and avoids parking someone else on the payroll who we can't shift.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 02, 2012, 09:40:53 PM
What is this club playing at?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7958270


Agger absence sparks rumours
Agent bemused by snub, but says defender isn't looking for move

Daniel Agger's absence from Liverpool's squad to face Gomel has cast doubt over his future, with his agent revealing that the defender is not injured.

Initial reports suggested that the Danish centre-half was nursing a knock after being left out of Brendan Rodgers' plans for midweek Europa League qualifying duty.

It has, however, emerged that Agger was in contention and that it will be down to the Anfield outfit to explain his lack of involvement.

Manchester City and Barcelona are said to hold an interest in the 27-year-old, with both clubs in the market for defensive reinforcements.

Agger's agent is reluctant to be drawn on the transfer rumours, but is keen to know where his client stands.

"He is not injured in any way," Per Steffensen told Politiken.

"Only the club and the manager can answer to why he is not in the squad."
Nonsense

On the exit reports, and those claiming that Agger is actively looking for a route out of Anfield, Steffensen added: "Liverpool will have to answer to whether they have received any offers.

"But the reports of Agger handing in a transfer request are purely nonsense. He is very happy at Liverpool."

Agger's current deal with Liverpool is due to run until 2014 and Steffensen claims no extension discussions have been held.

He said: "We have not heard from Liverpool with regards to a contract extension."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Sell Dagger for £20M, buy centre half from Swansea who's 23 or under for £18M, paying him half the salary Dagger's on at the moment and therefore avoid increasing the wage bill by giving Dagger a new contract. Rinse and repeat for Skrtel.

If you're two years from the end of your deal, don't expect a new one as you'll be sold instead. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 02, 2012, 11:40:04 PM
Sell Dagger for £20M, buy centre half from Swansea who's 23 or under for £18M, paying him half the salary Dagger's on at the moment and therefore avoid increasing the wage bill by giving Dagger a new contract. Rinse and repeat for Skrtel.

If you're two years from the end of your deal, don't expect a new one as you'll be sold instead. 

agger being left out (and not cup tied) means that he will be sold...aka we're fecked... it just gets better...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 03, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
it just gets better...

Indeed it does.

Aquilani has left, signed a three year deal with Fiorintina and the transfer fee we get is being used to subsidise his wages there for two of those three years, as he had two years left on his contract with us and has taken a 'pay cut' (not by any definition I know) to join Fiorintina.

We plumb new depths constantly when it comes to being sh!t at transfers.

Watch out for our new DVD in 'private shops' entitled 'Anal Anfield - live without lube'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 04, 2012, 01:15:18 AM
everyone is a risk, but what I find unforgivable is that we do not learn.....we keep making the same mistakes (bringing in people on big money).

it's one thing bringing in a big star (maradona, cruyff, shearer, best, ronaldo, etc) and paying him a king's ransom (which admittedly was never our style during our dominant era).........but it a totally different matter, bringing in mere potential, and paying them big money.

and if I were the club, I would carefully examine our policy towards bringing in free transfers. 

but I think the club is being run by bafoons (since parry left).  The people we should be keeping, we are selling or dismissing.  And the deadwood, or unskilled, that should be sold (or never bought) are still at the club (and often on stupid money).

we are living in a parallel universe, where: up is down, black is white, hero is zero, good is bad.

so let's dismiss kuyt, mereless and maxi (all top drawer, highly experienced, technical players).....and give a contract to shelvey, and big wages to joe cole, and bring in 5 feet 6 inch joe allen, and old man yankee clint dempsey....and some unknown lad, borini.   

bizarre way of running a top organisation, sell your best assets, and replace them with inferior people.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 04, 2012, 02:30:45 AM
so let's dismiss kuyt, mereless and maxi (all top drawer, highly experienced, technical players).....and give a contract to shelvey, and big wages to joe cole, and bring in 5 feet 6 inch joe allen, and old man yankee clint dempsey....and some unknown lad, borini.   
Get the fella from Swansea to manage us, sing ynwa and hope everything will work fine.

It's rare that i say these things but i actually have little appetite for the coming season and was
seriously thinking about taking a season out.  :(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2012, 10:08:54 AM
It's rare that i say these things but i actually have little appetite for the coming season and was
seriously thinking about taking a season out.  :(

Ed, it's terrible when it gets that bad.

We're not asking to be winning the league every season. We just want to see things being done correctly and sensibly, the club being run in a way that has it's foundations in reality and good sensible practices, and therefore maximises what we have and our chances of doing as well as all our combined assets allow.

If we're going to sign younger players with potential, that's fine, but pay them salaries consummate with the fact they are not 'established or proven', then let them 'earn the right' to a bigger salary by their levels of performance and improvement and the degree of importance they have developed to the team. Their transfer fee should also reflect their unproven status.

Older players should be bought with a fee that takes account that they have no re-sale value at the end of the contract, and older players should be of a standard to improve on the player that currently plays in their position in the first eleven without question, otherwise what's the point of the purchase as they're hardly likely to improve to that level over time.

'Squad players' should not be purchased, instead they evolve through the natural process of upgrading a first team player (the 'upgraded' player becoming a 'squad player') and young players with potential that we have promoted from the reserves/academy teams and who we are looking to try to progress to becoming at least credible challengers for a first eleven starting place.

We need to have a sensible wage structure and there's nothing wrong with having a wage cap.
We have a finite income, out of which we need to have a finite percentage earmarked for the payroll and as our payroll is finite then having a maximum salary and clearly defined salary structure makes sense.

Free transfer 'purchases' shouldn't be paid 'extra' simply because no fee has been paid out. Their salary package should reflect their likely position/contribution within the squad/first team. Any potential player (or his agent) who doesn't accept that is waved on their way to find an alternative mug punter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 04, 2012, 11:19:00 AM
Ed, it's terrible when it gets that bad.
Yeah, it's stuff like the 180 page report that stretches the patience.

lol, i seem to just roll my eyes up to heaven at so much LFC related
these days - Ayre, Rodgers, Enrique, Carragher, Spearing, Adam, Downing,
the dreadful style of football played during pre-season.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2012, 12:08:41 PM
Yeah, it's stuff like the 180 page report that stretches the patience.

lol, i seem to just roll my eyes up to heaven at so much LFC related
these days - Ayre, Rodgers, Enrique, Carragher, Spearing, Adam, Downing,
the dreadful style of football played during pre-season.

It's certainly frustrating and tests the patience, no doubt.

What we're seeing is the culmination of 20 years of poor management, lack of vision, and very poor financial planning and decision making.

As frustrating as it is FSG is right in one respect that we can't keep adding to the payroll without removing those from it who are unlikely to make a contribution, (hopefully that's what they're doing). It will take two or three windows, maybe even more to rid ourselves of everyone but the most frustrating part of it is that in letting certain older players go who may be earning higher salaries, we're not appearing to strike the right balance between lowering the payroll and not lowering the quality of the squad in the process.
Also the players (reportedly targetted) are hardly much of an upgrade on those let go or those still here and the fees don't warrent the slight quality increase.

Our manager needs to learn the media handling side and how differently it works at a big club. Hopefully he will learn this with experience.
As yet I'm still a long way off being convinced that Rodgers was the right choice at this time but sooner or later we've got to decide to stick with someone, give them 3-5 years to re-organise everything, and not pull the trigger if things go wrong for a period.

I don't expect us to challenge for or get fourth this season. However, if he can make real headway re-shaping the squad so that there is very obvious and noticeable improvement in the quality of it, make real progress in making our football 'effective', secure fifth, more points ahead of sixth than we are behind fourth, and put up a challenge for all three cups that we can actually be proud of, then I will settle for that, only because wanting more than that this season would be to set myself up for major disappointment.

As with everything, it doesn't take long to dismantle something and much, much longer to build or create something.

We have to arrest our slide before we can start an ascent. At present (up to last season) we were still in 'decline' mode. That's the first issue that has to be addressed and we need to see real evidence of such by the end of the season.

Ed, it's these current 'dark days' that will make any future success all the more sweeter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2012, 12:22:18 AM
Rodgers looks to defender Williams to replace City target Agger

4 August 2012


Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is ready to return to former club Swansea City to sign Wales defender Ashley Williams as Daniel Agger is being targeted by Manchester City.
 
Rodgers, who would also like to sign Swansea's GB Olympic star Joe Allen before the end of the transfer window, is bracing himself for Agger's departure.

The Denmark defender has reached the final two years of his contract and has given no encouragement to the club to extend his deal.

He did not play in the club's Europa League tie in Belarus on Thursday night. Manchester City have seen two offers for Agger rejected but a third bid of £20million is likely to tempt owner John W Henry to sell.

Barcelona have also put Agger on a shortlist of defenders wanted at the Nou Camp but their priority is Arsenal's Alex Song.

Rodgers promised not to upset Swansea when he left them for Anfield at the end of last season, but that has not stopped his interest in a £10m deal for Allen, which he hopes to complete once the Olympic Games are over.

The former Chelsea coach is also a big fan of 28-year-old Williams, who has won 33 Wales caps and been a commanding presence in Swansea's rise from the Championship to Premier League mid-table.

Liverpool are under no pressure to sell Agger but will not stand in his way if City make a third, big bid.

Rogers faces a tough decision whether to include £35m record signing Andy Carroll for the club's Europa League game against Gomel at Anfield on Thursday.

West Ham have agreed a £17m package to take Carroll on loan next season ahead of a permanent move but the England striker is waiting for hometown club Newcastle United to make a move.

Liverpool will have to wait until later this year for new head of scouting and replacement David Fallows to take over.

Fallows is currently on six months gardening leave from Manchester City.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2183790/Rodgers-looks-defender-Williams-replace-City-target-Agger.html#ixzz22cZX9P00 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2183790/Rodgers-looks-defender-Williams-replace-City-target-Agger.html#ixzz22cZX9P00)

Now I may be wrong here but despite being a disorganised, horrendous rabble for most of last season, didn't we finish above Swansea.
So what's the point of replacing our players with Swansea's?
Rodgers would do well to take his own advice that he gave to Suarez, and that's 'move on'. He's left Swansea, we're not Swansea, we're not aspiring to be Swansea (hopefully) and in order to build a team and squad that's good enough to challenge for the top four (and hopefully that's only the first target) we need better players than those found at Swansea.
Williams is hardly an undiscovered star like Hyypia was at Willem II.

Have our scouting department not scouted any centre halves before Rodgers got here, cause they should have done, considering there's at least one centre half needs replacing (surely) and surely Rodgers has contacts within the game he can tap. Is this really the best we can do if Agger (or Skrtel) leaves?

The only reason the 28 yr old Williams is in the PL to start with is because Swansea got promoted. The team he was already with and had been with since 2008. Not because a bigger club than the one he was with and that was already in the PL decided to buy him and had faith in his ability to play at the highest domestic level.

Who else is knocking down Swansea's door to recruit this top class centre half?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2012, 12:27:01 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16860334 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16860334)

Rodgers take on Williams and it's interesting that he does seem to have had plenty to say at Swansea, if this report is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
yes, he was also a gobsh.ite when at swansea.

imagine, what will this guy not be like to listen to as the season wears on......endless drivel.....me, me, me, I, I, I , etc.

and he is so stupid (like oleary was) to not realise that people see through him (and his endless self-serving drivel).

like Juan, I just shook my head at his letter to the fans who travelled to our european game this week.  He cannot let it lie.  He seemingly wants to be in the news every day of life.  He is the exact opposite of what Liverpool used to be about.  A gobsh.ite that refuses to shut his fec.king mouth.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2012, 03:08:33 PM
Get the fella from Swansea to manage us, sing ynwa and hope everything will work fine.

It's rare that i say these things but i actually have little appetite for the coming season and was
seriously thinking about taking a season out.  :(

don't blame you, Ed.

my satellite contract is up this month, and I will not be renewing it.

this season, I instead plan to just download (via torrent) Match of the Day.  I can get it the following day usually.

It will, for me, be like going back to old times, in the 70s and 80s......watching highlights of the Saturday games, in one show.   



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2012, 04:00:31 PM
It will, for me, be like going back to old times, in the 70s and 80s......watching highlights of the Saturday games, in one show.

But that's where the similarity ends, Dude.


I realise FSG pulled of this young coach and thinking outside the box routine with the Redsox, but we're talking about them being where we were when Shankly joined. No history of success in living memory and they just made up the numbers.
But you can just make up the numbers and provide the family with a day out to distract them from life in American sports as you don't have to worry about getting it dangerously wrong, as whilst you may finish bottom of your league, you get to try again next season, in the same league, having had your pick of the best free agents and young college up and comers. Failure hardly proves to be a disaster.

But just because it worked 'over there' in one sport.........................

Rodgers needs to just shut up. Get his head down and get on with the mammoth task he has ahead of him. Let others decide what and who he is, which they will do anyway even if he keeps telling us for himself.
We need his mind to be so full and so focused on implementing everything that needs to be done over the next few years, that he has no room in it for coming up with all the media space filling blather.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 05, 2012, 04:30:12 PM
don't blame you, Ed.

my satellite contract is up this month, and I will not be renewing it.

this season, I instead plan to just download (via torrent) Match of the Day.  I can get it the following day usually.

It will, for me, be like going back to old times, in the 70s and 80s......watching highlights of the Saturday games, in one show.   
Yeah, last season i watched every game but may just settle for a passing interest
this season and like you say catch whatever highlights MOTD put on.

We'll see, plenty of decision-making to be done between now and the end of the transfer
window that will demonstrate our ambition for the season (not arsed following a side that
lacks ambition and just continually talks, talks, talks).

Rodgers needs to just shut up. Get his head down and get on with the mammoth task he has ahead of him.
Surprised he felt it necessary to publicly tell Suarez about moving on from the Evra thing.
Tbh, Tes I've given up on Rodgers already (didn't take me long  :) ), just not my sort of guy period.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2012, 05:33:19 PM
Surprised he felt it necessary to publicly tell Suarez about moving on from the Evra thing.

yes, the gobsh.ite wants Suarez to move on, and bizarrely does this by raising the issue again in the press.

when I worked back in Britain, I could always see through his type.  I could see them coming from a 100 paces.

I never liked them back then, and I despise them even more now.

It was always the likes of me, who did all the hard work and got results, and  gobsh.ites who spoofed and talked a good yarn, who annoyed the hell out of the rest of us.

I used to be in meetings - and you;d see a gobsh.ite, in order to make his presence known and feel important, raise a stupid question at the end (when everyone else just wanted to go home).....and I remember one time when the gobsh.ite said at the outset that his question would come in 4 sub-parts - a, b, c and d.  Wow, you could hear the collective groan around the meeting. 

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
I realise FSG pulled of this young coach and thinking outside the box routine with the Redsox, but we're talking about them being where we were when Shankly joined. No history of success in living memory and they just made up the numbers.
But you can just make up the numbers and provide the family with a day out to distract them from life in American sports as you don't have to worry about getting it dangerously wrong, as whilst you may finish bottom of your league, you get to try again next season, in the same league, having had your pick of the best free agents and young college up and comers. Failure hardly proves to be a disaster.

But just because it worked 'over there' in one sport........................

absolutely, Tes.

you can feck up a season in america, and it's no big deal...... you just target next season instead.

but in the premiership, you mess up and there are major repercussions.

but it all boils down to arrogance. 

our owners are far too far up their own posteriors. 

oh sure, they work the PR game well......like gillette and hicks did in the early years (til they were caught on).

but the proof is in the pudding........and to date, everything that FSG has touched at Liverpool, has turned to poo.  And there is much worse to come.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
We're all saying the same on here, but I've also noticed so many times when reading 'comments' at the ends of articles both on websites, both news and fan sites and newspaper articles, that the overriding message so, so many of our fans want to give the manager is:


SHUT THE FOCK UP!!!


I guess it must be something about the sort of people we fans are and Liverpool being the type of club it was that LFC was the perfect fit.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2012, 07:01:44 PM
We're all saying the same on here, but I've also noticed so many times when reading 'comments' at the ends of articles both on websites, both news and fan sites and newspaper articles, that the overriding message so, so many of our fans want to give the manager is:


SHUT THE FOCK UP!!!


I guess it must be something about the sort of people we fans are and Liverpool being the type of club it was that LFC was the perfect fit.

 :D

yes, that now is starting to be the general consensus among fans.

and I even have started this past week, to notice it in a couple of newspaper/website articles.   

And the journalists for the big newspapers, keep a keen interest in fans thoughts and posts in football forums....so they will start to get the message, that we think our manager is a GS (gobsh.ite).  And that will start being reflected in their newspaper coverage. 

Rodgers has set himself up for a major fall.

I would be keen to find a swansea forum and hear from their fans re their thoughts on Rodgers.  I earmarked him early doors, as an OLeary 2.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
Just waiting now to hear that Bellamy's gone. That will be the next daft move. Let's get rid of the only genuine bit of pace we have in our attack.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
Just waiting now to hear that Bellamy's gone. That will be the next daft move. Let's get rid of the only genuine bit of pace we have in our attack.

I was thinking exactly the same thing, in the past few weeks.

up is down, black is white, quality is rubbish, sell is buy.

bellamy is bound to be given away this summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2012, 01:14:34 AM
Kuyt, Suarez, Maxi showed their ability as a trio during the second half of '10/'11. Bellamy combined well with Suarez quite a few times last season.

I'd rather replace that collective understanding one piece at a time, making sure each new piece replicates or betters the collective level of understanding, than have to replace it en masse.

Maybe the financial side is eased but that will only be a temporary thing if the on pitch performance continues to decline.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 06, 2012, 07:40:51 AM
I was thinking exactly the same thing, in the past few weeks.

up is down, black is white, quality is rubbish, sell is buy.

bellamy is bound to be given away this summer.

All this fancy dan skills milarky is all very well...but what we need is a team full of carra's..if we get rid of Bellamy, suarez, sterling and agger then we can have no more of that silky skills nonsense and we can just bore other teams to death...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2012, 09:49:11 AM
Why we aren't looking at Isco in Malaga's fire sale is beyond me. Just who have we got (although we have a lot of midfielders) to play in the attacking midfield role and provide creativity from a more advanced position?

Are we really that short of cash?

FSG need to help free things up by 'lending' the club money to bring in one or two players and can then be repaid as players are moved on. They were as much to blame for last Summer's and the Andy Carroll fiasco, so why punish the fans and the new manager?

Our midfield:

Lucas
Henderson
Gerrard
Adam
Spearing
Shelvey
Downing (played a more central for Villa and Boro)

That is a decidedly mid-table midfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 06, 2012, 01:02:07 PM
Why we aren't looking at Isco in Malaga's fire sale is beyond me. Just who have we got (although we have a lot of midfielders) to play in the attacking midfield role and provide creativity from a more advanced position?

Are we really that short of cash?

FSG need to help free things up by 'lending' the club money to bring in one or two players and can then be repaid as players are moved on. They were as much to blame for last Summer's and the Andy Carroll fiasco, so why punish the fans and the new manager?

Our midfield:

Lucas
Henderson
Gerrard
Adam
Spearing
Shelvey
Downing (played a more central for Villa and Boro)

That is a decidedly mid-table midfield.


yes, looking at that list of midfielders (and gerrard is old these days), does not fill one with much confidence.

scary in fact.

All this fancy dan skills milarky is all very well...but what we need is a team full of carra's..if we get rid of Bellamy, suarez, sterling and agger then we can have no more of that silky skills nonsense and we can just bore other teams to death...

now you;re talking!  FSG have taken the fans literally, and are seeking a team of carraghers.

anyone with any technical skill or speed is being shipped out.

we are playing hoof-it from now on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 06, 2012, 07:28:55 PM
agger being left out (and not cup tied) means that he will be sold...aka we're fecked... it just gets better...

er...i spoke too soon...

http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/bellamy_set_for_cardiff_switch_751327/index.shtml

and even our sponsors are in the news!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19155577
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
I wonder if Henry and Co express their distaste in the same way Standard Chartered did with us over the Suarez affair.

Now we've cleared a few off the wages are we going to replenish the squad in any way?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 06, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
er...i spoke too soon...

http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/bellamy_set_for_cardiff_switch_751327/index.shtml (http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/bellamy_set_for_cardiff_switch_751327/index.shtml)

ughhhh, who needs speed or technical ability.

we're gonna build our team around Hoofer.   He's liverpool through and through, you know. 

Nailed on for a coaching job when he hangs up his hooves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 06, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
I wonder if Henry and Co express their distaste in the same way Standard Chartered did with us over the Suarez affair.

Now we've cleared a few off the wages are we going to replenish the squad in any way?

VERY good point re Standard Chartered!   :D

we're not gonna listen to moral sermons from these folks. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 06, 2012, 10:15:29 PM
agger being left out (and not cup tied) means that he will be sold...aka we're fecked... it just gets better...
Ben Smith mentioned on Twitter that City are prepared to bid £18 million for Agger.

I was afraid something like this would happen  :(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2012, 11:02:21 PM
Ben Smith mentioned on Twitter that City are prepared to bid £18 million for Agger.

I was afraid something like this would happen  :(

I thought they'd already bid £18M and that had been rejected. My worry is that despite all the indications being that Agger wants to stay and sign a new contract that FSG are looking at his age at the end of his contract and seeing no re-sale value, plus his injury situation, and if a bid of £20M+ comes in then it will be accepted.

Now it's one thing not want to pay a transfer fee for a player who'll have no sell on value at the end of his contract, but not issuing a contract renewal to a player who is 27, who has already more than repaid his original transfer fee because in 4/5 years time he'll have no re-sale fee is just madness. If you buy them young, get the best years out of them and at the age of 31/32 you either offer them a year at a time if they've still got something to offer or you let them go on a free and thank them for their contribution, you should be satisfied.

In essence the only players you should ever be selling are ones that have come through the academy and proved by the age of 21-23 not to be good enough.
Any player you buy you should hardly ever sell because you will want them until they reach the stage where they've peaked and are just at the very early stage of starting to come down the other side of the peak. That also takes into account the player possibly being upgraded once aswell. That's of course if you've not made a mistake of some sort with the signing. Ideal world, I know.

Wenger's known for being reluctant to offer a new contract to a player 30 or over. A 3 or 4 year deal you can understand but sometimes a one or two year deal would see you benefit from the wisdom that comes with experience, the calming influence that can have and the knowledge can avoid being caught out by any physical lessening.

If you know your players and time their contracts to their likely phsical state at thirty plus, by the time your player's contract is up at 30/31/32 etc you will have had the absolute best out of them whilst leaving them just attractive enough to another club for a free or nominal fee but without that club getting anything that still could have been of benefit to us. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2012, 11:17:52 PM
Tello's not been named in Barca's first team squad and the new manager is not against letting him go.

Another young player, with massive potential, that would improve us even at this stage of his development by a more than noticable amount and who won't costa Torres.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 07, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
I thought they'd already bid £18M and that had been rejected. My worry is that despite all the indications being that Agger wants to stay and sign a new contract that FSG are looking at his age at the end of his contract and seeing no re-sale value, plus his injury situation, and if a bid of £20M+ comes in then it will be accepted.
Tbh, i'm getting a bit tired of the FFSG.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 07, 2012, 12:09:09 AM
Tbh, i'm getting a bit tired of the FFSG.

I think I am gonna rename  FFG, and call them  FFS

because that is what I say when I hear their latest decision (sell, kuyt, let maxi go, let agger go, let bellamy go, recruit rodgers, bring in allen, etc)   

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2012, 12:45:20 AM
If they'd actually appoint a top class, hard hitter as a CEO, at least I'd feel confident that we wouldn't get a repeat of last Summer and January 2011, however what or rather who is to stop us from paying over the odds both in transfer fees and wages for Rodgers targets.

I have one tiny ray of hope and it is tiny. It's that whilst scouting the likes of Vorm and Sigurdsson he also came across players that Swansea couldn't afford or hope to attract but that just maybe we can. He's not going to have been looking in the same places as City, United and Chelsea but Newcastle haven't done badly since Ashley stopped acting like Freddy Shephard, but it was only really once they appointed Pardew that the signings have really impressed. Maybe previous managers ignored Carr's advice, but since Pardew's arrived their transfer business has been good. Hopefully, and I don't usually place as much weight in blind hope, Rodgers has a list of names from the Dutch, Belgian, German leagues and maybe the likes of Barca's and Real's B teams, that are upgrades on Vorm etc but are under the radars of the big spenders.

Problem is even if he does have a squad's worth of potential affordable quality additions, who the H*ll will negotiate the deals? Hope fades even further.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 07, 2012, 01:13:30 AM
I think I am gonna rename  FFG, and call them  FFS

because that is what I say when I hear their latest decision (sell, kuyt, let maxi go, let agger go, let bellamy go, recruit rodgers, bring in allen, etc)   
Ditto!  :D

If they'd actually appoint a top class, hard hitter as a CEO, at least I'd feel confident that we wouldn't get a repeat of last Summer and January 2011, however what or rather who is to stop us from paying over the odds both in transfer fees and wages for Rodgers targets.
Exactly, get a motherf*cker in to run the club.

Amongst other things, I'm haunted by Rodgers comment that he couldn't
work under a DoF because during his vast career collecting trophies across
the continent, things had never worked out unless he'd had a direct line to
the owners.

Then there's the bit where he wouldn't even talk to us during the hiring farce
unless he was the number 1 choice.

Cost us a bloomin' fortune to prise him away from the mighty Swansea F.C.

Now we're stuck with him for the foreseeable  :(

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2012, 12:56:00 PM
Swansea are wanting £20M for Joe Allen. Right, that's it. Move on. Let's forget about him and concentrate on other targets (if we have any). We've wasted the whole window so far waiting for Joe Allen.

We've create a precident with Dalglish and Comolli's massive over valuing and over paying in the transfer market. Evey player we go for will have a 'Liverpool valuation' placed on them. Reputations like that take a long time to get rid of.

Even Swansea can ask for high prices for players they wish to keep. Agger, start the bidding at £25M, and then up it.

Swansea showing us the way to go. Anyone else find it slightly embarassing?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on August 07, 2012, 01:26:49 PM
Swansea are wanting £20M for Joe Allen. Right, that's it. Move on. Let's forget about him and concentrate on other targets (if we have any). We've wasted the whole window so far waiting for Joe Allen.

We've create a precident with Dalglish and Comolli's massive over valuing and over paying in the transfer market. Evey player we go for will have a 'Liverpool valuation' placed on them. Reputations like that take a long time to get rid of.

Even Swansea can ask for high prices for players they wish to keep. Agger, start the bidding at £25M, and then up it.

Swansea showing us the way to go. Anyone else find it slightly embarassing?

If that valuation is true then we definately need to move on!  There's just no sense buying homegrown players for Messi prices for Salif Diao quality...lol (slight exaggeration I know but you get the point)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 07, 2012, 02:41:47 PM
Swansea are wanting £20M for Joe Allen. Right, that's it. Move on. Let's forget about him and concentrate on other targets (if we have any). We've wasted the whole window so far waiting for Joe Allen.

We've create a precident with Dalglish and Comolli's massive over valuing and over paying in the transfer market. Evey player we go for will have a 'Liverpool valuation' placed on them. Reputations like that take a long time to get rid of.

Even Swansea can ask for high prices for players they wish to keep. Agger, start the bidding at £25M, and then up it.

Swansea showing us the way to go. Anyone else find it slightly embarassing?

i apologise for the last couple of posts and my flippancy and irreverent humour...

in the 1970's henry kissinger got the nobel 'peace prize' and comedian tom lehrer said on that day 'satire died'....

when joe allen is valued at 20 mil and Agger at 22 mil then i know that satire in football is dead...

i am worried now...

p.s. i don't think we have any other targets...it's like the titanic...i see no iceberg!!!! full speed ahead! and when the window closes in 3 weeks time...it'll be catastrophic...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 07, 2012, 06:12:20 PM
Swansea are wanting £20M for Joe Allen. Right, that's it. Move on. Let's forget about him and concentrate on other targets (if we have any). We've wasted the whole window so far waiting for Joe Allen.

Swansea showing us the way to go. Anyone else find it slightly embarrassing?

we are a laughing stock......we sell quality (for free or peanuts), and buy in dross (often old and always at higher cost than what we sold our quality people for).

the club is a shambles.

and why the fig-leaf are we focussing so much on swansea players?  does our know-it-all-gobsh.ite have no knowledge beyond the playing staff at swansea city?   

our GS (gobsh.ite) has no knowledge of the type of player that is needed to compete at the top level.

and old man river at fulham (clint)....since when has a fulham employee (player of manager) ever excelled after moving to liverpool.  Never.  Nada in my lifetime.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 07, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
i apologise for the last couple of posts and my flippancy and irreverent humour...

in the 1970's henry kissinger got the nobel 'peace prize' and comedian tom lehrer said on that day 'satire died'....

when joe allen is valued at 20 mil and Agger at 22 mil then i know that satire in football is dead...

i am worried now...

p.s. i don't think we have any other targets...it's like the titanic...i see no iceberg!!!! full speed ahead! and when the window closes in 3 weeks time...it'll be catastrophic...

 :D   henry kissenger.......the lennon/ghandi of our times.   

up is down, left is right, peace is war.

why spend only 20 million on allen......let's offer them 30 million.  And if City agree a friendly next summer, give them agger for 10 million.    We are a decent club, generous to one and all.  We are good people.  We have a reputation to maintain and think about. 

why waste time looking for other targets on mainland europe.  Instead buy local, and get special offers.


If that valuation is true then we definately need to move on!  There's just no sense buying homegrown players for Messi prices for Salif Diao quality...lol (slight exaggeration I know but you get the point)

allen could be the new messi. 

a 5 feet 6 inch powerhouse.

did i mention he was 5 feet 6 inches.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
Amazing. All around us and especially when we're involved, clubs are asking huge figures, yet we still don't learn from it. Swansea are using the fees we've paid out as a reason for upping Allen's fee, why don't we do the same?
It's no good using the fact that City paid £22M for Lescott three years ago as the yardstick for how we value Agger, times have changed and prices have soared since than.

Do we want to sell Agger? I would hope not. Therefore City have to make us an offer we can't refuse, especially if Agger is providing us with our transfer fund, we need the absolute most we can get, as we've got plenty of positions that need strengthening.

I thought we were supposed to be following Arsenal's model. Would they let Agger go for £22M? Of course not. They got more out of City for Toure and we should do the same.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
If we had any 'football men' on the board they would have foreseen this coming and we would or hopefully should have put in a bid for Vertonghen as the ideal replacement for Agger.
Spurs got him for around half the figure we're supposed to be looking for off City. Vertonghen plus £15M for Agger wouldn't have been too bad a deal.

We'll undersell, then overpay on a downgrade for Agger, following the pattern that seems to have been set since Alonso was sold.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 07, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
if we operated a second-hand car dealership, we'd be broke in a week.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2012, 08:43:49 PM
if we operated a second-hand car dealership, we'd be broke in a week.

I'll give you £5K and not a penny more for that Allegro Vanden Plas. See, I 'm tough to deal wiv, bro.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 07, 2012, 08:49:09 PM
I'll give you £5K and not a penny more for that Allegro Vanden Plas. See, I 'm tough to deal wiv, bro.

I need more.

If you throw in the rolls royce with the 5 thousand quid, you can have my awesome 1975 Allegro.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 07, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
Amazing. All around us and especially when we're involved, clubs are asking huge figures, yet we still don't learn from it. Swansea are using the fees we've paid out as a reason for upping Allen's fee, why don't we do the same?
It's no good using the fact that City paid £22M for Lescott three years ago as the yardstick for how we value Agger, times have changed and prices have soared since than.

Do we want to sell Agger? I would hope not. Therefore City have to make us an offer we can't refuse, especially if Agger is providing us with our transfer fund, we need the absolute most we can get, as we've got plenty of positions that need strengthening.

I thought we were supposed to be following Arsenal's model. Would they let Agger go for £22M? Of course not. They got more out of City for Toure and we should do the same.
It's ridiculous from Wigan (with Whelan), Newcastle (Pardew lecturing us on Carroll), Swansea (the mad compensation for
Rodgers and now this Allen non-sense) even Spurs having a pop at Adam (ynwa, he certainly did) & it's no coincidence, i
think we have to accept that we are now a very poorly run club in so many departments.

It's precisely as you say, we're always caught on the hop because we lack proper planning, management and continuity in key
areas. I remember Rafa years ago as a priority, tying down all the top players to long contracts. It's not just that though, the list goes
on and on.... hapless, second-rate and embarassing is how i'd describe it (the Suarez affair just another example of it).

Years ago the "This is Anfield" sign meant something... now it's encouragement to small clubs coming to Anfield fancying a
draw and hoping to sneak a win. It's the same across all our dealings with clubs.

We're left now with:

1.)  This guy Rodgers (another over-inflated transfer and vastly inexperienced coach from the lower leagues) in
sole control of our footballing destiny for the next 3 years.

2.) Ian Ayre (By all accounts a rubbish Chief executive at Huddersfield) as MD.

3.) Owners that are preoccupied by their baseball franchise and procrastinating on the stadium 2 years later.

4.) Zero leadership on and off the field (unless Lucas is expected to single-handedly resurrect the club).

In previous years (deluded as it may have been) I've always been reasonably optimistic entering the new season. This year
I'm just not bothered anymore because I think they're gonna be protests by the fans (it'll be that bad, imo).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2012, 09:19:50 PM
I know hope is usually based on nothing more than a 'feeling', an intangible, but even our gut instinct needs something to stir it into action.

It's hard to see anything other than automatic qualification for the Europa League group stages is the new 'title'. Finishing above Everton is a sign of improvement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
Rodgers confirms Bellamy talks

August 8, 2012


Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has confirmed talks are taking place with Cardiff City regarding a deal for Craig Bellamy.

Sky Sports revealed earlier this week that Cardiff are in pole position to sign the 33-year-old after Liverpool reluctantly agreed to let Bellamy move on.

Bellamy is understood to want to return to South Wales for personal reasons and the Reds are willing to let the versatile attacker head back to Cardiff for free.

The Wales international has refused to comment on reports that he could rejoin his hometown club and says that he is taking his future 'day by day'.

However, he now appears to be closing in on a move to Malky Mackay's side after Rodgers revealed that discussions between the two clubs are ongoing.

"We have been in talks with him and Cardiff," said Rodgers.

"I had a really good meeting with Craig before I moved up here.

"He is a big Liverpool supporter but I also understand his thinking.

"He is 33 and has travelled around the country all his life, so there are compassionate reasons.

"We will look at it but we will wish him all the best and move forward."

Bellamy spent the 2010/11 season on loan at Cardiff and he scored 11 goals in the Championship before returning for a second spell at Liverpool last summer.


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7973033 (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7973033)

So that's Maxi and Bellamy, who between them could have covered our left wide attacking position at least in the league, both gone. Both have shown they are technical players who can link and combine well with Luis.

Huge savings off the payroll, but now we MUST replace them. We can't rely on Downing - no goals, no assists etc.

Tello would be the sensible choice. Pace, tick. Play wide and central, tick. Scores goals, creates chances, tick. Barca don't need him and are willing to let him go.
He's got everything Bellamy has, except dodgy knees, and is only 20.

Also, if we're moving on the older, more expensive players (in terms of wages), then let's see Pacheco, Suso and Sterling etc, given a proper chance to prove themselves and hopefully develop.

I'd settle for trying to get 5th and automatic qualification for the EL, if we get to see the best youngsters given their chance and we do start to play attractive, 'effective' football, though let's not become 'the Wenger Footballing Art Project' lite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 08, 2012, 02:57:44 PM
I suspect much of swansea's passing, under rodgers, was in the first third of the pitch (where the opposition is happy to allow you have the ball). 

you cannot hurt the opposition in your own third.

from what I have been reading in swansea forums, rodgers struggles away from home........he has no alternate plans to call upon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 08, 2012, 03:27:30 PM
I suspect much of swansea's passing, under rodgers, was in the first third of the pitch (where the opposition is happy to allow you have the ball). 
That's similar to what I've noted from the bits and pieces I've seen and as an LFC
supporter it drives me nuts. I simply can't watch it, the ball going back to the keeper
all the time (it's anathema to Hansen of old) and just winding down the clock.

Plus it invites serious pressure unless it's complemented by serious ball playing skills
(not just launching it upfield) to get the ball out of danger areas quickly and with
precision.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on August 08, 2012, 03:28:10 PM
I suspect much of swansea's passing, under rodgers, was in the first third of the pitch (where the opposition is happy to allow you have the ball). 

you cannot hurt the opposition in your own third.

from what I have been reading in swansea forums, rodgers struggles away from home........he has no alternate plans to call upon.

I don't think Rodgers will see out his contract at Anfield Dude.  This ship is too big for him to steer, we need/needed an experienced hand at the wheel!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 08, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Plus it invites serious pressure unless it's complemented by serious ball playing skills
(not just launching it upfield) to get the ball out of danger areas quickly and with
precision.

 agreed, Ed.  It does invite danger.  The ball has to make it's way forward.  Unless one is windoing down the clock, there is no great advantage to endlessly knocking it around the back four.
 
 
I don't think Rodgers will see out his contract at Anfield Dude.  This ship is too big for him to steer, we need/needed an experienced hand at the wheel!
 

 totally agree, Gurdeep.
 
 rodgers and the owners foolishly believe that they have 2 or 3 years to make their experiment work.  I have news for them.  If by Christmas we are mid-table, then the calls for Rodgers to go by March/April will be deafening.
 
 to be honest, by this point, I want the yanks to leave.  It has been one bad decision after another. 
 
 We deserve much better, than their arrogant half-hearted part-time pursuit of their overseas pet-project. 
 
 Liverpool Football Club is far bigger than that and deserves much more focus and specialised people.
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 08, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
That's similar to what I've noted from the bits and pieces I've seen and as an LFC
supporter it drives me nuts. I simply can't watch it, the ball going back to the keeper
all the time (it's anathema to Hansen of old) and just winding down the clock.

Plus it invites serious pressure unless it's complemented by serious ball playing skills
(not just launching it upfield) to get the ball out of danger areas quickly and with
precision.

Last week in europe we played it back and forth across the back. The opposition pressed, especially on carragher, the ball was forced back to jones who launched it and we had relinquished possession. Now thats very different than the football played by barca and spain who are supposedly the blueprint for where we are trying to go. They look to pass it passed players and go forward. Theres none of this keeping possession for possessions sake.

Dont get me wrong it was our first game, we cant expect miracles but im surprised by some of the players who are already heavily involved since rodgers took over because they dont seem to be capable of playing the type of football rodgers want yet hes letting go our technically better stars. To lose bellamy,maxi and kuyt for next to nothing is daft when you cant afford to sign anyone technically as good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2012, 04:37:45 PM
Now thats very different than the football played by barca and spain who are supposedly the blueprint for where we are trying to go.

The pass is played in such a way that the receiving player's first touch is the next pass in the sequence.

The ball is not played to or into feet but for feet. It's played so that the recipient moves onto the pass. It's harder to tackle a moving player than a stationary one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2012, 04:42:45 PM

 agreed, Ed.  It does invite danger.  The ball has to make it's way forward.  Unless one is windoing down the clock, there is no great advantage to endlessly knocking it around the back four.
 
 
 totally agree, Gurdeep.
 
 rodgers and the owners foolishly believe that they have 2 or 3 years to make their experiment work.  I have news for them.  If by Christmas we are mid-table, then the calls for Rodgers to go by March/April will be deafening.
 
 to be honest, by this point, I want the yanks to leave.  It has been one bad decision after another. 
 
 We deserve much better, than their arrogant half-hearted part-time pursuit of their overseas pet-project. 
 
 Liverpool Football Club is far bigger than that and deserves much more focus and specialised people.

Isn't sad? We all looked at our situation, factored in the dawning of FFP, and realised time is short and experience (more than ever) is now needed. We've all been able to make that call, so why haven't FSG? Have they taken advice? Then ignored it? Or made the judgement themselves?

I can't believe a Parry or a Dein or any experienced football administrator would have advised the route we've taken, or with who we've taken it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 08, 2012, 05:08:39 PM
Last week in europe we played it back and forth across the back. The opposition pressed, especially on carragher, the ball was forced back to jones who launched it and we had relinquished possession. Now thats very different than the football played by barca and spain who are supposedly the blueprint for where we are trying to go. They look to pass it passed players and go forward. Theres none of this keeping possession for possessions sake.

Dont get me wrong it was our first game, we cant expect miracles but im surprised by some of the players who are already heavily involved since rodgers took over because they dont seem to be capable of playing the type of football rodgers want yet hes letting go our technically better stars. To lose bellamy,maxi and kuyt for next to nothing is daft when you cant afford to sign anyone technically as good.
I missed the Europa league game (wasn't up for it), in fact i stopped watching us at half-time against Spurs, although
i intend to catch the Anfield game vs Gomel.

Worse still, imo, is if you take Lucas out of the equation and stick Spearing in there the whole system breaks down
because Spearing is a single point of failure guaranteed almost every game to send a stray pass in a dangerous
area and that's without the opposition deliberately targeting what'll be the focal point of the system.

Additionally, i have grave reservations about cashing in on one of our experienced centre halves this season if they're
going to be much more active in terms of possession than is the norm.

Midfield was the problem last season and I'm very open to us exerting far more control in that area this season with a
physical and energetic approach to winning back possession and drawing all the pretty triangles that God created to
retaining it.

However again alarm bells begin to ring when a manager and his system is so inflexible that we have to shell out an
exorbitant fee for a player (Allen) who may be promising but has achieved nowt in the game to date. Granted we paid too
much for Henderson last Summer but at least in his defence he has an incredible engine that is difficult to come by whereas
pretty passers in midfield are a dime a dozen on the continent. Besides, just like Ramsey and Wilshere these fly-weight
midfielders can easily get injured so i'd question the wisdom of shelling out the guts of our transfer spend on them.

Certainly, I'm in favour of us getting the midfield right and would prefer a more phased introduction of any defensive
system. Build on the progress there from last season and coach the bejaysus out of that Enrique lad because he's
a headless chicken when he gets past the midfield line and ventures forward too much with little end product leaving
gaps at the back.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 08, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
Isn't sad? We all looked at our situation, factored in the dawning of FFP, and realised time is short and experience (more than ever) is now needed. We've all been able to make that call, so why haven't FSG? Have they taken advice? Then ignored it? Or made the judgement themselves?

I can't believe a Parry or a Dein or any experienced football administrator would have advised the route we've taken, or with who we've taken it.

nor me either.  I cannot believe that a dein or a parry type has been advising them.  I am unsure how much Ayre's input is asked for, or listened to (not that it has much value anyway imho).

can you imagine, if it emerges (at some later date in an interview or book), that they had no advice, but acted on their own gut instincts.     

my best bet is that it is arrogance - the other possibility is stupidity....but these are top business people, they are not stupid.

it has to be arrogance and a carefree approach to a distant overseas pet project.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 08, 2012, 05:31:10 PM
it was our first game, we cant expect miracles but im surprised by some of the players who are already heavily involved since rodgers took over because they dont seem to be capable of playing the type of football rodgers want yet hes letting go our technically better stars. To lose bellamy,maxi and kuyt for next to nothing is daft when you cant afford to sign anyone technically as good.

absolutely, Juan.

it makes no sense at all.......if you are going to play pass and move football, you need the most highly technical players that you can get your hands on.

but we are selling all those types of players.

the whole thing is barmy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
Bad news, Jovanovic is back: http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/video_audio/164277.html?CMP=OTC-RSS;genre=1;sport=3 (http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/sport/video_audio/164277.html?CMP=OTC-RSS;genre=1;sport=3)

0:24 AND 1:44 of the video.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2012, 08:38:54 PM
If we do sacrifice Agger then we should look at Papadopoulos or Howedes, both of Schalke. Afterall, we still need to find Carragher's replacement, or whether Coates can cut it.

I'll cry if our plan is to trust Wilson or Kelly (who hasn't played a single first team game as a centre half).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 08, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
If we do sacrifice Agger then we should look at Papadopoulos or Howedes, both of Schalke. Afterall, we still need to find Carragher's replacement, or whether Coates can cut it.

I'll cry if our plan is to trust Wilson or Kelly (who hasn't played a single first team game as a centre half).
Dunno, I mean Alonso, Macsherano, Torres...Agger.

Are we entitled to speak about top 4, if that's our attitude. What's our secret weapon? Why weaken
ourselves? It's not just losing Agger, it's breaking up a solid defensive partnership with Skrtel, starting
from scratch in terms of building an understanding.

Our big weakness last season was midfield, surely to move forward the priority is strengthening our
midfield options so that we can control games (my personal theory is that we need physicality (speed
and strength) in that area to control games away from home against crap opposition). Adam, Spearing,
Cole aren't the sort of player we can rely on to be consistent for a 38 game season.

There is a possibility, given time (and a set of weights  :) ), that this lad Allen could complete a nice triangle in
the centre with Lucas & Henderson. That's only a possibility though. Tbh, we're still waiting to see if Henderson
can make the grade in the centre this season. In the meantime, I see no reason whatsoever that he should just
waltz into the Liverpool first 11. None!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
The midfield is definately a case of quantity over quality.

How we address that without a clearing of the decks, I don't know. How we do it before the window shuts, I've no idea. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2012, 12:17:18 AM
maybe this time next year, we will be trying to clear the decks of allen (and dempsey, and borini).

just in the same way, we need to be looking to move adam on.....and maybe even henderson (if he does not make the grade this season)

in the past, you just knew people like torres, alonso, mascherano etc would be good signings for the club.

but in modern times, we are signing fluff.    Like I mean, are City, United, or Barca interested in allen, dempsey or borini?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 09, 2012, 12:42:47 AM
Like I mean, are City, United, or Barca interested in allen, dempsey or borini?
I just see them as squad players. Is the bar that low at LFC that players of that ilk
can now walk into the first 11.

It reminds me of Benayoun (was it £5 million we paid for him?) for arguments sake, he's our
Dempsey, who i think was a great signing and always did his best, but was shy of having
enough quality to be 1st 11 at a club with ambitions of top 4 and ultimately i think that was
one of the factors behind him leaving. Then there's Borini (Ngog? £1.5 million).

Obviously the manager has to make his own decisions with regard to personnel but we appear
to be spending more than £30 million on squad players...wtf?

It's precisely as you say dude, what happens next Summer? Is there resale value in any of these
players? Do they see out their 4 year contracts at LFC?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2012, 12:53:50 AM
exactly, Ed.

and remember, rodgers has zero knowledge of competing at the very top........he has no idea of the type of player needed to compete at the highest level.

we cannot afford more fluff at the club........we are up to our ears in expensive mediocre players.

but look at  what our gobsh.ite is saying today about Agger.

Quote
Daniel and I have had a number of conversations so he knows where I am at, he knows where the club are at and he doesn’t want to leave, which is great. In my first conversation with him at the Euros he made that quite clear.   He loves the club, loves the fans, so that was music to my ears — but we’ll see.”

agger is one of our top players.....agger does not want to leave anfield....indeed, agger does not want to join another english club.......and yet our moron wants to sell him, in order to have cash to bring in tripe like dempsey, allen and borini.  And he also wants city's adam johnson on loan......for johnson, think downing.......I wouldn;t have him about the place.  Moronic.  Truly moronic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 12:59:19 AM
Look at the fees Arsenal paid for their trio, Chelsea for Marin, Bayern for Shaqiri etc.

Why Joe Allen for £15M? Surely there is better value out there that isn't British and doesn't come from an overcharging British club.

We've known all Summer how to get Allen but we've not cleared out space in the squad for another central midfielder. Spearing, Adam and Cole should have left in addition to Aquilani.

We need at least another striker and at least two, if not three wide forward players.

Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi. Two strikers, three wide forward players - a minimum of two need replacing and not downgrading in the process.

I hope we've started scouting centre halves. If either of Agger or Skrtel leave or either don't sign a new contract this Summer, we have to start scouting their replacements in addition to Cara's. If either one doesn't play in a league match then Coates must be played, likewise given the EL games also.
Try Kelly or Wilson (though I have serious doubts about him) in the FA and League Cup. Kelly needs first class football at centre half as he's never played there for the first team. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 01:13:09 AM
exactly, Ed.

and remember, rodgers has zero knowledge of competing at the very top........he has no idea of the type of player needed to compete at the highest level.

we cannot afford more fluff at the club........we are up to our ears in expensive mediocre players.

but look at  what our gobsh.ite is saying today about Agger.

agger is one of our top players.....agger does not want to leave anfield....indeed, agger does not want to join another english club.......and yet our moron wants to sell him, in order to have cash to bring in tripe like dempsey, allen and borini.  And he also wants city's adam johnson on loan......for johnson, think downing.......I wouldn;t have him about the place.  Moronic.  Truly moronic.

Johnson's worse than Downing in that he enjoys the nightlife too much. I'd take him on loan with us paying him about £30K a week. Give him the season to prove himself one way or the other. At least then we can give him back when he can't keep focused for a whole season, not even to earn a permanent move. It would provide a player in a position we need and give us time to find a proper replacement. I feel dirty thrashing around in the bottom of the barrel again.

I'd rather give our own Pacheco an extended run and see what he can do under Rodgers. Lambert had him doing OK two seasons ago whilst on loan and he was brought up with Rodgers' chosen style.

If we can't do better than the Allens, Dempseys, Johnsons etc, let's keep the cash and use our youngsters whilst we scout and find better players and not from PL clubs. Even if we save it until next Summer and have a bigger budget once Rodgers has spent this season attempting to make the best of what we've got and being more certain of who goes and who stays.

At least with us using the kids if they prove they're not ready yet we're not stuck with more mediocre players on long contracts again. I'd rather clear out the squad this Summer and January as we've got a lot to clear before we add anybody else, especially if they're not going to be of the standard of a Luis, an Agger, etc.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2012, 01:27:54 AM
If we can't do better than the Allens, Dempseys, Johnsons etc, let's keep the cash and use our youngsters whilst we scout and find better players and not from PL clubs. Even if we save it until next Summer and have a bigger budget once Rodgers has spent this season attempting to make the best of what we've got and being more certain of who goes and who stays.

At least with us using the kids if they prove they're not ready yet we're not stuck with more mediocre players on long contracts again. I'd rather clear out the squad this Summer and January as we've got a lot to clear before we add anybody else, especially if they're not going to be of the standard of a Luis, an Agger, etc.

that's a fair point re the youngsters and keeping our pepper dry (re transfer funds).

I am just totally bemused by this point.  I throw my hands in the air.  There is just so much wrong at the club.  Everywhere I look, I see issues.  Where do you start, in an effort to fix things.  The problems start at the top.  Our owners are the core of the problem.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 12:28:39 PM
I am just totally bemused by this point.  I throw my hands in the air.  There is just so much wrong at the club.  Everywhere I look, I see issues.  Where do you start, in an effort to fix things.  The problems start at the top.  Our owners are the core of the problem.

Totally agree, Dude. All the things we've identified are, to me at least, the basic principles of running a football club and a business.

If we look at the examples of other clubs that are worth taking examples from and using them in 'our model', we don't seem to be doing any of it.

Hopefully this Summer we'll see a start of a new transfer policy - buy low, sell high, new signings on low value contracts and being made to 'earn' an increase. We stick to our valuation and if the selling club don't agree, we move on. We place a value on a player's contribution via his salary, if the player or agent don't agree, we don't buy, or if it's a contract renewal we either sell or decide to keep the player but run the contract down (different players, different circumstances will dictate which course of action we take).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 12:40:58 PM
Hopefully this Summer we'll see a start of a new transfer policy - buy low, sell high, new signings on low value contracts and being made to 'earn' an increase. We stick to our valuation and if the selling club don't agree, we move on. We place a value on a player's contribution via his salary, if the player or agent don't agree, we don't buy, or if it's a contract renewal we either sell or decide to keep the player but run the contract down (different players, different circumstances will dictate which course of action we take).

Maybe?

Liverpool Want £23m and Manchester City Midfielder for Daniel Agger – Report

By Adrian Back   August 9, 2012




Liverpool are playing hard ball with Premier League champions Manchester City over the proposed transfer of centre-back Daniel Agger.

City have already approached Liverpool about the availability of the defender and will have been encouraged to hear comments from Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers revealing that "every player has his price".

According to a report in the Daily Mirror, Liverpool are demanding a deal which would see them gain £23million and midfielder Adam Johnson moving to Anfield on a season-long loan deal.

The paper claims that Liverpool have already turned down bids of £13million and £20m as Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini attempts to further strengthen his options in the heart of defence.

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The offers have so far been rejected by the owners of Liverpool, Fenway  Sports Group, and it seems they are keen to take advantage of the significant spending power that Manchester City possess.

As well as the money they want Johnson to join for the season as Rodgers attempts to strengthen a squad which underachieved in the league as they claimed an eighth place finish.

Johnson has struggled to become a first team regular at Manchester City under Roberto Mancini with the Italian preferring to use the England international as an impact player from the bench.

There are a host of attacking midfielders for Mancini to choose from in the City squad and it could well be that Liverpool feel they can hold out for the best deal as Agger still has two years remaining on his current contract.

The 27-year-old has been at Anfield for six years but has only made 119 league appearances as injuries have often prevented him from consistently playing throughout the season.

He made his joint highest number of appearances in the league last season when he featured in 27 games, but Liverpool do have some other options already at the club  that can partner Martin Skrtel in Jamie Carragher, Sebastian Coates and Martin Kelly.


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/371984/20120809/liverpool-daniel-agger-manchester-city-adam-johnson.htm (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/371984/20120809/liverpool-daniel-agger-manchester-city-adam-johnson.htm)

Taking Johnson on loan would be a sensible idea. We don't land ourself with another long term contract being given to a player who soon proves himself to be 'deadwood'. He'll prove his worth (or not) either way and if not we can hand him back.
Let's take advantage of City's recent transfer policy like Spurs did with Adebayor and they aren't stuck with a 'greedy' player. Again, this is going to be City's problem:

Spurs switch targets: Tottenham lose patience with 'greedy' Adebayor and re-open talks over Brazilian striker Leandro Damiao

By Matt Law   4 Aug 2012


Tottenham are threatening to pull the plug on their bid to sign Emmanuel Adebayor and make a renewed move for Brazilian striker Leandro Damiao.

Adebayor has demanded that Spurs pay him the £4million transfer fee they have agreed with Manchester City, which forced chairman Daniel Levy and manager Andre Villas-Boas to reconsider their options.

City have also warned Adebayor, 28, they will not be held to ransom and are willing to let the Togo international rot in the reserves for two years if he continues to hold out for crazy money.

Having taken Adebayor on loan last season, Spurs agreed a £4m deal to sign him permanently.

City had agreed to subsidise part of Adebayor’s £175,000-a-week wages, meaning he would not lose any money by making the switch to White Hart Lane on a four-year contract.

But Adebayor stunned both Spurs and City by rejecting the deal unless he also receives the £4m fee and effectively moves on a free transfer.

He also only wants a two-year contract at White Hart Lane, so he can try to make even more money by moving on again in 2014.

Levy reacted by immediately resuming negotiations with Brazilian club Internacional over Damiao and is also looking at Chelsea’s Daniel Sturridge.

Fulham’s Moussa Dembele and ­Joe Allen are midfield targets, ­although Spurs face a battle with Liverpool for the Swansea star.

Tottenham have been tracking Damiao for 18 months and club scouts have been watching him in action for Brazil’s Olympic team. Their last bid of around £12m was turned down by Internacional, but Levy is now considering a £15m offer.

City have warned Adebayor he faces the threat of spending the final two years of his contract in the reserves if he fails to agree a move, with ­manager Roberto Mancini insisting he will not be given another chance with the Premier League champions.

Mancini is furious Adebayor’s antics have jeopardised his hopes of signing Robin van Persie from Arsenal and City officials are dismayed by the player’s attitude.

It is understood Adebayor is travelling up to Manchester from London every morning to train with fellow City misfit Roque Santa Cruz before returning to the capital.

A City source told Sunday ­Mirror Sport: “Ade’s greed is unbelievable.

“He is just out to make money and does not care that he is endangering his career at the same time.

“Tottenham are also getting very annoyed by all of this.

 “There is a real threat the move may not go through if Ade does not back down. If Ade has to stay at City, then Roberto Mancini has already made it pretty clear that he will just be left to rot in the reserves.”     

City have tried to sound out other ­potential buyers or interested parties for Adebayor, including QPR and Liverpool, but there has not been any serious interest.

Phil Smith, the agent who brokered Adebayor’s £25million move from Arsenal to City in 2009, predicted that Spurs will face a tough task to convince the player to drop his demands.

“Adebayor is quite ruthless when it comes to getting what he wants,” said Smith.

“He got a very good deal at City and quite clearly he wants his pound of flesh, not only on the way in but also on the way out.

“I think it’s a deal that will die on its backside. Who is going to come and give moneybags Adebayor the money he wants, other than moneybags QPR? I don’t think they’d be interested.”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-lose-patience-with-greedy-emmanuel-1217732 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-lose-patience-with-greedy-emmanuel-1217732)

If this is Rodger's doing then I take my hat off to him. If it's the owners, then finally they are starting to learn.

We still need to a CEO to put all this theory into practice and enshrine it into being the way we will do things going forward, irrespective of who the manager is.
We can't just rely on a manager having his head screwed on the right way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 09, 2012, 02:07:25 PM
Look at the fees Arsenal paid for their trio, Chelsea for Marin, Bayern for Shaqiri etc.

Why Joe Allen for £15M? Surely there is better value out there that isn't British and doesn't come from an overcharging British club.

We've known all Summer how to get Allen but we've not cleared out space in the squad for another central midfielder. Spearing, Adam and Cole should have left in addition to Aquilani.

We need at least another striker and at least two, if not three wide forward players.

Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi. Two strikers, three wide forward players - a minimum of two need replacing and not downgrading in the process.


I see meireles available for 8 mil...4 months into his 29 years...still playing well..oh sorry we can't sign him cos he's too cheap, not english, in his prime and talented...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 03:42:20 PM
oh sorry we can't sign him cos he's too cheap, not english, in his prime and talented...

Doesn't tick any of  the boxes apart from the one that states 'Already playing in the PL'.

We've broaden our outlook from English to Welsh, or maybe the club got muddled up because Allen played for GB under an English manager and had the same anthem the English use played before the matches. Very easy mistake to make. Just ask the Olympic organisers.  :D

I don't like the rumours of Amoriebieta of Bilbao being Agger's replacement. Diego Godin of Atletico Madrid would be better if we're looking at La Liga for £10M centre halves.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2012, 09:17:05 PM
I see meireles available for 8 mil...4 months into his 29 years...still playing well..oh sorry we can't sign him cos he's too cheap, not english, in his prime and talented...

mereless, would be a great buy at 8 million.

but like you say, he ticks no boxes for the morons.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
I don't like the rumours of Amoriebieta of Bilbao being Agger's replacement. Diego Godin of Atletico Madrid would be better if we're looking at La Liga for £10M centre halves.

unless he's at least 15 million, with injuries, and from britain, I am not interested.

and that agger lad, now that he's finally seemingly over all those years of injuries, I want him shipped out. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 10:37:47 PM
Robert Huth's not British, but has played for several PL teams, will be overpriced, is useless and knows how to carry an injury. I can't tick all the boxes. Any good for you, Dude?  :D

Woy was interested. Surely we're not going to go against his eye for a player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2012, 11:34:45 PM
Robert Huth's not British, but has played for several PL teams, will be overpriced, is useless and knows how to carry an injury. I can't tick all the boxes. Any good for you, Dude?  :D

Woy was interested. Surely we're not going to go against his eye for a player.

 :D

huth is an interesting prospect.   Ticks many boxes.  And if it is good enough for Woy, who are we to argue.

but I think we can still pick up Villa's 32 year old richard dunne .  15 million should be enough to get Villa to talk business.

ok, he;s got the  turning circle of the Ark Royal, and the speed of a retired Blackpool beach donkey.  But he;s a good lad.  And his speed would be in sync with Carra's.   Plus, with him retiring from international duty with Ireland, he will be a lot fresher.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2012, 11:45:47 PM
in sync with Carra's.   

I have visions of the two of them in swimming customs and rubbery hats with flowers on sticking their legs out of the swimming pool.

The Anfield pitch would need to be widened unless they could take it in turns somehow to turn around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMBufJmTTSA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMBufJmTTSA)

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 10, 2012, 12:05:29 AM
 :D

we would need to play our last line of defence deep.    Forget about deploying any offside trap......just have the pair of them turn on the 18 yard line........blocking the entire line, thus no opponent can get past......and at night games, floodlights are useless when confronted with dunne and carra's ars.ses.   darkness all around.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 10, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
:D

we would need to play our last line of defence deep.    Forget about deploying any offside trap......just have the pair of them turn on the 18 yard line........blocking the entire line, thus no opponent can get past......and at night games, floodlights are useless when confronted with dunne and carra's ars.ses.   darkness all around.

The blubber brothers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 10, 2012, 08:10:13 PM
Quote
Rodgers reckons: "I'm absolutely delighted that Joe has made the decision to come with us on this journey.
Joe has had a fantastic education at Swansea City and will now begin the next chapter in his exciting career, and I wish him all the very best in what I'm sure will be a long and distinguished career here at Liverpool."
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so joe allen has finally signed today.

seems he has had a fantastic education at swansea.  I wonder who his manager was at swansea.  oh hang on a minute, that was....



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 10, 2012, 08:12:40 PM
as one of us said the other day, Mereless would be a fine addition to our midfield. 

Torino, the Italian outfit, are presently in for him, for 8 million quid.  29 years old, highly technical, great volleyer of the ball, good reader of the game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 10, 2012, 10:44:40 PM
as one of us said the other day, Mereless would be a fine addition to our midfield. 

Torino, the Italian outfit, are presently in for him, for 8 million quid.  29 years old, highly technical, great volleyer of the ball, good reader of the game.

He's another, like Dirk, that made space for others with his movement. Also he's quick to see a pass and release the ball. Suits the way Rodgers describes his method of play to a tee, or should I say two 't's.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 10, 2012, 11:05:39 PM
Interview with Bellamy:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/08/10/91466-31595952/? (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/08/10/91466-31595952/?)

Top player, top person. Last of a dying breed. Not like the typical modern footballer at all. It's a shame we've lost him, but it's happened for all the right reasons. Good luck to you Craig, in all you do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 11, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
He's another, like Dirk, that made space for others with his movement. Also he's quick to see a pass and release the ball. Suits the way Rodgers describes his method of play to a tee, or should I say two 't's.

I wouldnt agree on Meireles guys. We probably could have kept him last season as he was better than what we had. But I think we did well getting 12 million for a player that can be weak on the ball and that is heading toward his 30s. I cant see him improving enough to consistently warrant a first team place. Why would Chelsea be willing to take a 4-6 million loss after one season. Id prefer to put 8 million towards someone younger of even better quality. Theres no doubt he could do well for rodgers but whos to say some of what we already have wont do the same.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 11, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
who would you get instead, with that same top level technical ability, and at only 8 million quid, Juan.

we sold Mereless and replaced him with the likes of Adam.  And look what happened.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2012, 06:19:29 PM
Having older technical players also give the younger players an example to follow and a standard to aspire to.

We will always need experienced 'heads' and whilst judging or assembling your team by age only is daft, we need to make sure that we don't simply get rid of a player 'due to his age', likewise we don't not give a player an opportunity because he's 'too young'.

There shouldn't be a 'too young' or 'too old'. It should be about what the player gives to the team and squad, and there are many ways that that should be measured and evaluated.

Here's someone who should have never been allowed to leave, irrespective of age.

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/1216948-bayer-leverkusen-manager-sami-hyypia-wants-liverpool-fc-return.html (http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/1216948-bayer-leverkusen-manager-sami-hyypia-wants-liverpool-fc-return.html)

He would have offered so much to us and not just by the tackles he won or the clearances he got his head on the end of. We've let too many of this type go recently, Dirk being another. We have to realise what they offer and treasure them, and not just because they were born in the city.

Maybe the crowd will see a local differently, and to a degree, so they should, but a manager and the club administration should put aside the emotional aspect (and there's nothing wrong because that's what we all live by as fans) and see a bigger picture. Value can be measured in more than just a salary number or even goals scored or tackles won.

The club used to do this, otherwise the likes of Paisley, Moran and Evans wouldn't have remained at the club. Yes, we missed one in Matt Busby, but you can't win them all, you just have to make sure you win more of them than your rivals.

It will be interesting to see how Wenger goes on without Pat Rice, but if possible, it would be great for us to have our own Pat Rice in thirty years time. Maybe Mike Marsh, who has just been promoted from youth to be a first team coach could be one. It would be nice to see it happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 12, 2012, 12:25:04 PM
Rodgers is trying to 'tempt' Fulham into letting Dempsey go by offering Adam in PX.

I wouldn't be against it if a) we don't part with any cash on top of giving them Adam b) we only offer Dempsey a two year deal on half of what Maxi or Dirk were getting.

We could do with a bit more experience in the squad with Dirk, Maxi, Bellamy and Aurelio all leaving, and if Dempsey can offer goals from midfield, or play anywhere across the front line, we at least get some depth to our front line and hopefully the goals to make up for losing Dirk, Maxi and Bellamy.

It's not the most exciting signing but it's a short term necessity that should hold back the likes of Pacheco and Sterling and if valued correctly won't cost us a fortune.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 12, 2012, 05:19:29 PM
after his new players having spent only a year at the club, it must be embarrassing for dalglish, with carroll up for sale, and adam possibly on the way out.  And major question marks about Henderson and Downing.

adam for dempsey would be a decent piece of business.......as loong as there is no, or very little, money involved. 

dempsey would be a stop-gap, as you say above, Tes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 12, 2012, 08:52:34 PM
The rumours about Walcott refuse to die. Not sure with Walcott. Arsenal will want crazy money, Walcott's very injury prone and whilst his pace isn't in question, his end product is.

I think he would be better played centrally but on balance we should give this one a miss, along with Adam Johnson.  We don't need to bring in players who's application can be questioned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 12, 2012, 11:17:53 PM
Apparently Amorebieta is out for a month injured. If we were to go for him we'd have to do with Skrtel and Carra (I'd imagine Rodgers would put him in ahead of Coates) for the first few games and considering our start to the season I'd not want us to be in that position.

Left footed centre halves are hard to find. Ball playing centre halves probably even harder. Left footed, ball playing centre halves.......you get the idea.

If it was Skrtel we were looking at letting go for £20M+ then it would be a different story. I can't see anyone with any football knowledge at the club seeing this as a good idea, so has this come from the owners and are they reluctant to give him a new contract considering his injury record?
He may miss approx half the available games but surely it's less hard to replace him for 50% than it is for 100% of the games.

If this is really going to happen, we need to get the replacement in first, otherwise £10M will become £15M, £15M will become £20M as soon as we inquire about a player.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 12, 2012, 11:46:42 PM
Apparently Amorebieta is out for a month injured. If we were to go for him we'd have to do with Skrtel and Carra (I'd imagine Rodgers would put him in ahead of Coates) for the first few games and considering our start to the season I'd not want us to be in that position.

Left footed centre halves are hard to find. Ball playing centre halves probably even harder. Left footed, ball playing centre halves.......you get the idea.

If it was Skrtel we were looking at letting go for £20M+ then it would be a different story. I can't see anyone with any football knowledge at the club seeing this as a good idea, so has this come from the owners and are they reluctant to give him a new contract considering his injury record?
He may miss approx half the available games but surely it's less hard to replace him for 50% than it is for 100% of the games.

If this is really going to happen, we need to get the replacement in first, otherwise £10M will become £15M, £15M will become £20M as soon as we inquire about a player.

good point about it being so hard to find a good left footed ball playing central-defender.

yes, the only reason I can imagine letting agger go, is his injury record.

we now have precious few top players at the club.....so to let one of our last ones leave, feels like footballing suicide.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2012, 12:01:42 AM
good point about it being so hard to find a good left footed ball playing central-defender.

yes, the only reason I can imagine letting agger go, is his injury record.

we now have precious few top players at the club.....so to let one of our last ones leave, feels like footballing suicide.

His injury record is a worry but if the owners don't want to offer him a new contract and Agger seems like he's got no desire to leave, then we don't need to do anything. We have him for two more years, after which he'll be 29. Not only is his type hard to find, hence Barca and City wanting him, but he also makes Skrtel look a much better player. It would be like losing two centre halves, Agger himself, and the Skrtel that plays alongside Agger.

If we're short of cash for anymore transfers there are plenty we can get rid of. Granted they wouldn't bring in as much as Agger but they'd cut the wage bill down by great deal allowing room for an addition to the wage bill plus the income to pay a transfer fee if it was in staged payments.
Failing that then maybe Carroll would cause less of a hole and be an easier position to fill.

There's also the aspect of Agger being able to bring the ball out the way he does which is an integral part of how Rodgers wants us to play, so again that loss would be more greatly felt than losing Carroll. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 13, 2012, 12:20:47 AM
yes, he is ideal for rodger's style of play.

I would keep him at anfield for the rest of his contract, and career.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 13, 2012, 02:30:03 PM
I wouldnt agree on Meireles guys.

Agree, he provided continuity from the season before, but that was it unless he
was able to make himself indispensable enough to get a new contract.

Rodgers is trying to 'tempt' Fulham into letting Dempsey go by offering Adam in PX.

Adam needed to establish himself as an expert dead ball man which he hasn't done.

And major question marks about Henderson and Downing.

In my opinion Shelvey will provide enough competition for Henderson.
(I think Shelvey is getting game time because of his energy?, his game is still all
over the shop though, in terms of doing one or two things well every game).

The Big Big question now is who we get in on the right wing to push Downing if he's out there
Could make or break our season that signing. I'm just not familiar enough with Walcott and Johnson,
though they appear to be very different players, to know if they're the answer. Right wing is key now
though!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2012, 04:45:18 PM
Agree, he provided continuity from the season before, but that was it unless he
was able to make himself indispensable enough to get a new contract.

Adam needed to establish himself as an expert dead ball man which he hasn't done.

In my opinion Shelvey will provide enough competition for Henderson.
(I think Shelvey is getting game time because of his energy?, his game is still all
over the shop though, in terms of doing one or two things well every game).

The Big Big question now is who we get in on the right wing to push Downing if he's out there
Could make or break our season that signing. I'm just not familiar enough with Walcott and Johnson,
though they appear to be very different players, to know if they're the answer. Right wing is key now
though!

Shelvey needs to be played in one position so he can develop his game and mould it into a certain type of midfield. At the moment he's uncertain of what type of midfielder he is and therefore his role within the team.

Walcott, whilst having pace to spare, has little end product on a consistant basis. He actually looks a better finisher than creater.
Johnson, whilst not having Walcott's pace, has a trick or two more and is a better crosser, however he fades out of games easily, probably doesn't score enough goals, and can be hit and miss with his decision maker. He also has a questionable attitude and his off field lifestyle is not what you want to be dealing with if you're a manager.

At best I'd take Johnson on loan and even then if we bought him it would need to be a low fee and a two contract so we can get rid and not lose out if we needed to.

Walcott, I'd take the risk on him and convert him into a striker, however Arsenal won't let him go at a price that would prove appealing.

I'd give Pacheco an extended run and see what's what. We could probably pick up Walcott on a free or Johnson for peanuts next Summer if we still have the need.
Alternatively, we could look at someone like Dries Mertens of PSV or Kevin Mirallas of Olympiacos.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
Agger wants Reds stay

By Ejder Akbal August 13, 2012 7:16pm


Daniel Agger has admitted he would like to stay at Liverpool, but admits the situation is out of his hands.

Manchester City and Barcelona are chasing Agger with Premier League champions City believed to have seen two bids already rejected for the classy central defender.

City are thought to be readying a third bid for Agger with Roberto Mancini keen to bring in the defender before the close of the transfer window.

It has been suggested Liverpool could be prepared to sell Agger for the right price as they could use the funds to strengthen the squad elsewhere.

Agger, who is away on international duty with Denmark for Wednesday's friendly with Slovenia, claims he is unaware of interest in his services and hopes he can stay at Anfield.

"No, I haven't heard anything, Agger told Ekstra Bladet when asked about his future.

"That is how the club wants to do it. I would prefer to stay.

"I can't imagine playing for other clubs in England. But, you never know if the club prefers to sell me."

Agger has recently had a new tattoo with the initials of the famous Liverpool song 'You'll Never Walk Alone' on his knuckles and the 27-year-old insists the artwork has nothing to do with his current situation.

"It has nothing to do with my current situation," added Agger. "It is a gesture towards the Kop, towards Liverpool and towards the people around the club."


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7988061 (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7988061)

Over to you FSG. Now we'll see if they've learnt anything about football or if it's all a game of numbers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 13, 2012, 11:27:25 PM
I note Cardiff City paid £2million

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18895067

to sign Kim Bo Kyung:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVU-d0XbxxA&feature=player_detailpage#t=69s

The only reason I mention it is because he made Garth Crooks (I know he's a dope!)
team of the Olympics in which our man Allen featured (I not having a pop at him already).

Just strikes me as crazy that we have a list with 1 player on it for each position and never
seem to turn up a bargain...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
I note Cardiff City paid £2million

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18895067

to sign Kim Bo Kyung:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVU-d0XbxxA&feature=player_detailpage#t=69s

The only reason I mention it is because he made Garth Crooks (I know he's a dope!)
team of the Olympics in which our man Allen featured (I not having a pop at him already).

Just strikes me as crazy that we have a list with 1 player on it for each position and never
seem to turn up a bargain...

Ed, it definately feels that way. When was the last time we picked up a Hyypia, Reina or Arbeloa type real bargain.

I actually thought  that this would be the one good thing to come out of having someone like Rodgers in charge, in that he would have had to look long and hard and not neccessarily in all the obvious places, and whilst looking at players in Swansea's price bracket may just have seen a few in ours. Some of the lower PL clubs have over the years picked up some rather tasty players for 'more than sensible' prices, who have gone on to be high value transfers to much bigger clubs.

Of course we're not at the end of Rodgers' first window but being linked with Walcott and Dempsey etc does not strike me as scouting outside of the box. I'm not expecting Newcastle type quantities, but one per Summer window would be a refreshing change.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
Reds hopeful on Skrtel deal

By Pete O'Rourke  August 13, 2012


Sky Sports understands Liverpool are close to agreeing a new deal with defender Martin Skrtel.

Skrtel's future at Anfield has been the subject of speculation this summer with the Slovakian claiming he was aware of interest from other club's in his services.

The 27-year-old, who joined Liverpool in January 2008, enjoyed his best season at Anfield last term, winning the club's Player of the Year award.

Skrtel has two years to run on his current contract, but Reds boss Brendan Rodgers is keen to secure his long-term future.

Rodgers sees Skrtel as a key member of his future plans on Merseyside and is ready to reward with a new contract.

Liverpool tied down Luis Suarez down to a long-term contract earlier this month and they hope Skrtel will soon follow suit.


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7988271 (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7988271)

Surely if we're keeping Skrtel we have to keep the guy who compliments him perfectly and makes Skrtel look a better player when playing alongside him.

That's the football argument st least.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
And if we're letting Agger go because of age and injuries and the fact that his next contract will cost more than the one he's on, then why isn't that criteria used for the 32 year old midfielder who has missed a lot of the last 2-3 seasons with injuries and is on more than Agger's new contract would be worth?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
Take it as Red? Rodgers reckons Cristian Tello swoop is almost done

By David Anderson  13 Aug 2012


Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers believes he is close to landing Barcelona's prized winger Cristian Tello on loan.

Rodgers has been after Tello since taking over at Anfield in June and feels the pacy, tricky wideman would fit perfectly into his preferred playing style.

Barcelona are believed to be reluctant to sell Tello when the Spaniard's career is just taking off, and would prefer a season-long loan deal.

The 21-year-old Catalan is also understood to be reluctant to leave the Nou Camp permanently, having fulfilled a dream when he rejoined Barca from Espanyol two years ago.

He would be open to a loan deal though, as he knows he needs the regular football that he would get at Liverpool if he wants to progress his career.

Tello's signing would be a coup for Rodgers as the attacker is being eyed up by a host of clubs, including Arsenal, Valencia, Malaga and Benfica.

He has made a big impact at Barca since making his La Liga debut in January, scoring twice in his first Champions League appearance against Bayer Leverkusen in March.

 


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-cristian-tellos-loan-1259399 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-cristian-tellos-loan-1259399)

I'd much prefer us to get Tello and let Everton take the risk with Adam Johnson, even if it's only on loan. If he becomes available next Summer and has proved he's straightened himself out and contributes for the whole 90 minutes, we can always try and take him from under Everton's noses.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 14, 2012, 01:46:35 PM
I'd much prefer us to get Tello and let Everton take the risk with Adam Johnson, even if it's only on loan. If he becomes available next Summer and has proved he's straightened himself out and contributes for the whole 90 minutes, we can always try and take him from under Everton's noses.

yes, far better to take Tello, than Johnson.  To be honest, I just don;t rate Johnson, on any level, and I would never want him around my club.

We are far better bringing in lads from the likes of Barca and Real Madrid - because you can be sure such lads will be technically excellent (unlike the sh.ite that one finds in England, that masquerades as a *professional footballer*)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2012, 01:58:30 PM
We are far better bringing in lads from the likes of Barca and Real Madrid - because you can be sure such lads will be technically excellent (unlike the sh.ite that one finds in England, that masquerades as a *professional footballer*)

Apart from politician, I can't think of another area of employment where you can be so incredibly average or below and still get paid so much without the slightest danger of falling off the gravy train until your boots are at least filled to ankle level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 14, 2012, 02:17:33 PM
Apart from politician, I can't think of another area of employment where you can be so incredibly average or below and still get paid so much without the slightest danger of falling off the gravy train until your boots are at least filled to ankle level.

yes, I often think back to the technical levels of my own era........we played on fields (muddy and bone-dry), streets, in car parks, at grammar school (lunchtimes, after break times), etc etc.     

my friend, who was the striker alongside me, at the time, got a trial for Liverpool (that is as far as he got). 

but if you look back to clips from old Match of the Days and The Big Match, from that era, you can see how technically excellent players were.  Dribbling out of defence was the norm.....playing on mud bath pitches, and pitches full of holes, was the norm.  People were technically very good.

the rubb.ish that masquerade now as professionals are an embarrassment.  And it is evident when the national team play abroad......if we should take the lead against brazil or argentina, it is suddenly a case of defending for our lives, and kicking for touch. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 14, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
who would you get instead, with that same top level technical ability, and at only 8 million quid, Juan.

we sold Mereless and replaced him with the likes of Adam.  And look what happened.

Off the top of my head Dude I would sign any of the players we are being linked with at the moment before Meireles. Dempsey for instance, if the fees were similar I would chose him over Meireles. I dont doubt that Raul is a tactically solid player but there is something missing for me that would prevent me urging the club to go back for him again. And then theres the sour note with which he left, the whole thing of not getting his wages doubled. We could do worse with 8 million but I just think theres also potential to do younger and better.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 14, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
yes, far better to take Tello, than Johnson.  To be honest, I just don;t rate Johnson, on any level, and I would never want him around my club.

We are far better bringing in lads from the likes of Barca and Real Madrid - because you can be sure such lads will be technically excellent (unlike the sh.ite that one finds in England, that masquerades as a *professional footballer*)

Tello and Sahin seem like genuinely possible loan deals.

Its about time we used the loan market to good effect. Lets not kid ourselves to think we can compete with any of the top clubs in the Premier League financially so why we havent used loan deals before now is baffling.

Tello would definitely be worth it. Sahin I havent seen a whole lot of but his time at Dortmund was apparently very positive.

The closer the season gets, with the likes of Allen signing the more it looks as if players like Spearing will be eased out. Not a moment too soon!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 14, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
The closer the season gets, with the likes of Allen signing the more it looks as if players like Spearing will be eased out. Not a moment too soon!

yes, loan deals would be good for the club.  They would also help us not make expensive mistakes (like aquilini and carroll).

yes, we have lots of deadwood, like spearing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2012, 01:49:55 PM
Newcastle hope to seal signing of £6.7m Ajax midfielder Vurnon Anita

Martin Hardy   Tuesday 14 August 2012


Newcastle remain optimistic they will sign the Ajax midfielder Vurnon Anita, but the player has still to finalise his £6.7m move to St James' Park.

A fee has been agreed for the 23-year-old and further negotiations over personal terms are expected to take place this week.

"The clubs have a deal, I think," Anita said. "Now I have to reach an agreement with Newcastle. I have an offer, but I can't say more about this.

"The clubs have agreed a fee, but I have not. I'm still an Ajax player. I think it will be finished soon, but you never know how it will go.

"I have played for Ajax for 13 years, it has been a great time and I am grateful to Ajax.

"Now it's up to me. But first I want to talk with the manager of Newcastle United before taking a decision. The whole picture has to be right for me."

For their part, Newcastle are confident that they can finalise a deal for a player they have tracked for a significant period of time.

Manager Alan Pardew remains keen to strengthen his squad before the season begins, although, as yet, he has not lost any of the players who last season took Newcastle to a fifth-place finish in the Premier League.

He hopes to complete the signing of Anita, who can also play at left-back, and achieve a positive outcome in the long-running pursuit of France international Mathieu Debuchy. The 26-year-old remains eager to leave Lille despite attempted blocks on any deal by his current employers.


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/newcastle-hope-to-seal-signing-of-67m-ajax-midfielder-vurnon-anita-8038651.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/newcastle-hope-to-seal-signing-of-67m-ajax-midfielder-vurnon-anita-8038651.html)

Here's another 'bargain' we should have been looking at. He'd give top quality competition and cover to both Lucas and Jose Enrique, two positions covered in one. At 23, he's exactly the right age and for circa £7.5M, he's only a year older than Allen but half the price to strengthen two positions. He wouldn't hold back Jack Robinson's progress if Rodgers wanted to play him, but it would give us the secure cover for Enrique, knowing that we wouldn't have to throw Robinson in if Enrique is injured long term. He's got the potential to displace Enrique and has 5 goals in 103 games, which is always handy when a defensive player also knows where the opposition's net is.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 15, 2012, 02:10:36 PM
there ye go again with that common sense malarky.

why in under goodness would we want to employ a scout like Carr, who will trip all around Europe, wasting money on easyjet flights, seeing loads of poxy football matches, when we can buy the ready made article in england. 

Unless he costs at least 15 million (ideally 20 to 35 million) I am not interested.  If he's cheap, he must be rubbish.   If people see us buying cheap, they will think we are a cheap club, on the way down.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
there ye go again with that common sense malarky.

Sorry Dude, I will try harder not to let it keep happening.  :D

It was my one big hope with Rodgers' appointment that we would start looking at these kinds of players as he would have seen them whilst scouting for Swansea. Going to watch a player for which they were looking at a £1M-£3M fee but seeing these sorts of players that were beyond Swansea's budget but thinking to himself 'if only....' and making a mental note anyway.

For some reason there are quite few clubs lower down the league, with much smaller budgets, who seem able to pick up players that seem to pass beneath the radars of the more wealthy clubs, who prove themselves capable of playing for the top teams in the league as their transfers to them show. 

Maybe we ought to stop thinking about paying double digit fees all the time and wasting our time scouting those sort of players and starting looking to find players which will have a single digit transfer fee who we can turn into the star.

We need to find clubs in the Belgian, Dutch, German and French leagues to partner with where we can send our youngsters on loan.

Also with the introduction of the u21 Premier League we should have a facility to purchase younger players 16-19 and give them the chance to develop in what should hopefully be a more competitive level of football.

We should also be scouting the youth teams in Holland, Spain, Belguim, France and Germany and also the likes of the Segunda División in Spain, where the big teams' B teams play, and other countries that allows teams in the top division to have a B team in the second or third tier.

We may do all these things but when was the last time we paid a bargain price and found a real star? I guess you'd regard Agger or Arbeloa as the last time (though obviously Arbeloa didn't go for a huge sum due to us allowing him to return to Spain with a year left on his contract)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2012, 06:43:58 PM
If we don't get cover for Lucas this window then that needs to be priority for the January one. I fail to see why we haven't done it as Lucas can't play in all competitions and we shouldn't be satisfied with massively weakening ourselves just because we've rested Lucas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 15, 2012, 09:37:06 PM
If the internet is to be believed Tello looks to be staying in Spain and Sahin is far from signed up either.

Lets wait and see.....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2012, 09:52:59 PM
If the internet is to be believed Tello looks to be staying in Spain and Sahin is far from signed up either.

Lets wait and see.....

 I think Tello signing a new contract was always going to happen. Barca have 'secured the value on an asset' and Tello gives himself security. It's not surprising if we end up with neither as there's better options out there for both of them.

There's too many sources of information and things can snowball. I think we've got to be realistic and think the Dempseys and the Johnsons are our level and believe the Tellos and Sahins when they're holding the scarf upside down with Rodgers beaming next to them. Transfer stories take on a life of their own. Hve we even had it confirmed that we've got any offer in for Tello. There's somehing in us wanting Sahin due to Mourinho and Alonso stories, but too many papers then interpret that as we lead the chase or that things are now in our favour.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2012, 11:13:06 PM
Everton are to complete the £5.3m signing of Olympiakos striker Kevin Mirallas. I hope we don't live to regret this one, too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2012, 12:02:04 AM
The Van Persie deal and an interesting twist re Hernandez:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/robin-van-persie-transfer-manchester-1263074 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/robin-van-persie-transfer-manchester-1263074)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2012, 12:05:47 AM
And if the Mirror can be believed two more bits of good news:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-nuri-sahin-loan-1262780 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-nuri-sahin-loan-1262780)

Tello may not be such a bad situation as we can utilise Pacheco and Sterling and then decide if Tello's needed in January.

Plus:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-charlie-adam-is-an-everton-1262356 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-charlie-adam-is-an-everton-1262356)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 16, 2012, 12:37:51 AM
I think Tello signing a new contract was always going to happen. Barca have 'secured the value on an asset' and Tello gives himself security. It's not surprising if we end up with neither as there's better options out there for both of them.

There's too many sources of information and things can snowball. I think we've got to be realistic and think the Dempseys and the Johnsons are our level and believe the Tellos and Sahins when they're holding the scarf upside down with Rodgers beaming next to them. Transfer stories take on a life of their own. Hve we even had it confirmed that we've got any offer in for Tello. There's somehing in us wanting Sahin due to Mourinho and Alonso stories, but too many papers then interpret that as we lead the chase or that things are now in our favour.

I understand what your saying about Tello and Sahin but on this occasion in fairness it was Guillem Balague that sparked the most recent rumours suggesting we were close to signing both. He generally has his finger on the pulse in Spain. He since backtracked on Tello but if the Telegraph or Guardian are to be believed Sahin has moved closer to joining us. Expect Arsenal to push hard though with Van Persie leaving even if they are different positions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 16, 2012, 12:39:56 AM
Everton are to complete the £5.3m signing of Olympiakos striker Kevin Mirallas. I hope we don't live to regret this one, too.

Yeah Belgium seem to have a huge amount of talented players at the moment and you would wonder if he is worth the risk for a measley 6 million quid.

Moyes has a great eye for value. Jelavic was a steal last season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 16, 2012, 12:42:52 AM
The Van Persie deal and an interesting twist re Hernandez:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/robin-van-persie-transfer-manchester-1263074 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/robin-van-persie-transfer-manchester-1263074)

I cant see Hernandez going the other way. Id be very surprised. Arsenal would be doing very well out of that deal if that were the case considering RVP has one year left.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
I cant see Hernandez going the other way. Id be very surprised. Arsenal would be doing very well out of that deal if that were the case considering RVP has one year left.

It would put a whole new slant on the deal if it happened.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2012, 08:19:29 PM
I understand what your saying about Tello and Sahin but on this occasion in fairness it was Guillem Balague that sparked the most recent rumours suggesting we were close to signing both. He generally has his finger on the pulse in Spain. He since backtracked on Tello but if the Telegraph or Guardian are to be believed Sahin has moved closer to joining us. Expect Arsenal to push hard though with Van Persie leaving even if they are different positions.

With bringing in Podolski and Giroud, they could well try for Sahin, especially if Alex Song gets snared by Barca.
Spurs may also show interest if Modric, as expected, joins Madrid.

If we got him on loan it would be a coup, if we get an option to buy, then I won't need to write a list for Santa.

Balague sometimes appears to jump the gun and then ends up backtracking. Tello now he has the security of a contract is apparently going to give it until January. Barca must have the upper hand as they could demand a greater fee and knowing them would also put a buy back clause in there.

It looks like we need to clear out a few more now, which wouldn't be the daftest thing, as for too long we've paid players who contribute nothing and are just a drain on the club. Joe Cole has to be top priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2012, 08:30:05 PM
The Walcott rumours are like a cat. What's everyone's view on him?

It's a no for me. He has the pace we lack, but the owners seem to want rid of Agger due to his injuries, so it would make no sense to spend money on Walcott in that case.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 16, 2012, 08:57:17 PM
The Walcott rumours are like a cat. What's everyone's view on him?

It's a no for me. He has the pace we lack, but the owners seem to want rid of Agger due to his injuries, so it would make no sense to spend money on Walcott in that case.
If Wenger's willing to sell him to us (a club that could potentially (joke!) usurp their CL spot).
Nah...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2012, 04:29:38 PM
Nah...

Nah he won't sell or nah, we don't want him?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2012, 04:47:12 PM
Toby Alderweireld, right footed, strong, ball playing centre half of Ajax, who can also play right back. About time we sorted Carragher's replacement out.
Would be useful cover at right back given Johnson and Kelly's tendancy to break, and wouldn't neccessarily prevent Kelly moving to centre half, as he could play right back.
Also, even if Kelly does move to centre half, being a centre half doesn't reduce your tendancy to break (Agger) so we've got both positions covered, Kelly covered wherever he plays and Carra's replacement sorted.
Irrespective of age or form, Carra's contract runs out in the Summer anyway. Why wait until next Summer to address it? A replacement needs acquiring and blooding now, and Skrtel's bound to have his usual period out injured too.

Age 23, 5 goals in 79 appearances, capped at every level for Belguim from U16 to full international, with 18 caps for the senior national side. Ajax are in a mess financially.

I wonder if Danny Wilson fancies his chances in Holland?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 17, 2012, 04:50:46 PM
Nah he won't sell or nah, we don't want him?  ;D
Walcott's barely 23. He's the perfect age for a footballer 5 years of prime ahead of him.

Now why on earth would Wenger dream of selling him...

Nah, we don't want him if Wenger wants to sell him.  ;D

Tbh, i haven't followed Walcott's career, but given he's been round for ages he should be
either completely indispensable or cost the earth. Maybe Arsene should make him captain  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2012, 06:16:57 PM
Walcott's barely 23. He's the perfect age for a footballer 5 years of prime ahead of him.

Now why on earth would Wenger dream of selling him...

Nah, we don't want him if Wenger wants to sell him.  ;D

Tbh, i haven't followed Walcott's career, but given he's been round for ages he should be
either completely indispensable or cost the earth. Maybe Arsene should make him captain  ;D

Walcott, even with one year left will easily be into double figures, plus the Arsenal selling premium. His injury record is less than inspiring (I'd hoped we'd finished with signing players like Degen and Aquilani and hoping we could somehow buck the trend of them being injury prone), plus he's not really kicked on from the promise he showed when Arsenal signed him.
Is end product can be erratic, as can his performance levels and his consistency levels would give you a mountain range in graphical form.
If he was cheap enough (so that's where I really should finish this) I'd bring him in as a striker and play him more centrallly than use him as a 'winger' type player. He's always struck me as being a better finisher than a provider (of sorts).

I really don't think our budget can either stretch or afford to be risked on young Waldorff. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 17, 2012, 07:31:21 PM
walcott definitely has pace.

but I have not seen enough of him to judge more than that.

I have not seen much end product....at least not on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
walcott definitely has pace.

but I have not seen enough of him to judge more than that.

I have not seen much end product....at least not on a consistent basis.

That's the thing with Walcott, he has pace...and err.......

Can it be coached into him? Is he young enough still to change?

Even ignoring the fee, which I realise is a daft thing to say, there's so many ifs and buts about Walcott.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 17, 2012, 10:15:58 PM
I really don't think our budget can either stretch or afford to be risked on young Waldorff. 
A Waldorf salad!, i think we need a raw steak on the right wing tbh. Too much flimsy
wimsiness with Allen, young Sterling, Assaidi and Downer ( :) ).

I note the esteemed (joke!) Mr. Philip McNulty is making noise about Dempsey joining us.
A rumour that steadfastly refuses to go away. Mind you we seem intent on f*cking Fulham over
for some reason a.) hijacking (too strong a word...? gazumping!) their replacement for
Dempsey b.) nicking their star player for our reserves  :) . Jolly must not be amused.

btw, i noted the other evening Ben Smith saying that in his opinion, he reckoned that the owners
had spoken to Rafa in their manager hunt. Interesting.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 17, 2012, 10:20:27 PM
That's the thing with Walcott, he has pace...and err.......

Can it be coached into him? Is he young enough still to change?

movement can be coached into players, and you can also deploy them in new roles.

but you can't coach technical expertise into a lad this old (23).   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 17, 2012, 10:23:16 PM
A Waldorf salad!
whatever you do, don't mention the war.


btw, i noted the other evening Ben Smith saying that in his opinion, he reckoned that the owners
had spoken to Rafa in their manager hunt. Interesting.

this story refuses to go away.

Rafa may well be back by Christmas, if it all goes pear-shaped for David Brent in these opening months.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 17, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
A rumour that steadfastly refuses to go away.
Forget that!

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes

whatever you do, don't mention the war.
I speak Eengulishh...Eye lerrrn it from a buk
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 17, 2012, 11:13:28 PM
I presume the standard in Eredivisie is relatively low. Have to say though
I'm positive on this guy:

http://www.footylounge.com/films//milankakabaros/osama-assaidi-welcome-to-liverpool-compilation-12-minutes-goals-assists-and-more-video_eeec41ed3.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 21, 2012, 06:50:44 PM
Today we are being linked with Adam Johnson and Kaka.

I'd have my doubts about both. Kaka is past it and Johnson at 25 has never consistently performed over the course of a season to warrant a 10 million pound punt.

Why are we failing to address the whole goal scoring scenario. Borini came in but was never prolific in the past so you cant expect him to turn into a 20 goal a season player. Did we miss a trick by not activating Bas 7 million pound release clause?

At the moment we got a forward line not capable of scoring goals consistently. Suarezs scoring record cant be ignored forever, its appalling for us. I dont doubt his ability and importance to us but we need someone to helpl carry the goals burden.

2 weeks left in the window, i suspect Carroll will leave at the last minute and we will either overpay for his replacement or buy someone whose actually not altogether going to improve the first 11.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 21, 2012, 10:51:45 PM
Would someone from the club please tell Newcastle where to stick their 12 million

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9491177/Newcastle-United-say-the-ball-is-in-Liverpools-court-over-12m-transfer-of-Andy-Carroll.html


Newcastle United say the ball is in Liverpool's court over £12m transfer of Andy Carroll


Newcastle United will not raise their £12m offer for Andy Carroll and insist it is up to Liverpool whether they want to keep an unhappy player they do not have a role for or grant him his wish to return to Tyneside.

That would potentially jeopardise his place in Roy Hodgson’s England squad, but the attempted brinkmanship has done little to strengthen Liverpool’s negotiating position.

Carroll has rejected a move to West Ham United, leaving the club he so badly wants to return to as the only one to have made an offer and with time running out, Rodgers must decide whether to take what he can or make the best of a bad situation.

Newcastle are also waiting to see whether Lille make a similar decision regarding right-back Mathieu Debuchy, although they are also braced to fight off late interest in their midfielder Cheick Tiote.

Debuchy has repeatedly made it clear he wants to leave, but Lille have rejected two offers from Newcastle and have ordered him to stay. Debuchy must now decide whether to force his employer’s hand or accept the move is not going to happen in this window.

Tiote has not expressed any desire to leave Newcastle this summer, but Telegraph Sport understands he is attracting fresh interest from rival Premier League clubs.

Manchester City, United and Tottenham have both enquired about the Ivory Coast international’s availability in recent months, but have baulked at the £20m asking price.

Newcastle, though, are still worried a bid will come and that the player will ask to leave when that happens.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 22, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
12 million.

newcastle are taking the pi.ss     The club should never sell to them now. 

let him languish on the bench, making a rare sub appearance.

his decline from prominence will effect his england starting place.....and thus the lad will start to consider non-newcastle destinations in january and next summer.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2012, 12:13:37 PM
12 million.

newcastle are taking the pi.ss     The club should never sell to them now. 

let him languish on the bench, making a rare sub appearance.

his decline from prominence will effect his england starting place.....and thus the lad will start to consider non-newcastle destinations in january and next summer.

Thankfully the club aren't doing 'a Martin Jol'.  Newcastle are looking to unsettle the player, partly by putting in such a ridiculously low bid, they're giving him an out but aren't prepared to bid anywhere near the market rate, which they set 18 months ago, and hope he will 'force' the move through.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 22, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Thankfully the club aren't doing 'a Martin Jol'.  Newcastle are looking to unsettle the player, partly by putting in such a ridiculously low bid, they're giving him an out but aren't prepared to bid anywhere near the market rate, which they set 18 months ago, and hope he will 'force' the move through.

Just saw an article titled Newcastle Hold Liverpool to Ransom over Carroll.  Have I missed something or did Newcastle sell Andy Carroll to us nearly two years ago. So we own the player right. The way its being reported we're trying to buy the lad.

I cant get over Newcastles nerve to use the buying tactics they are using. They are clearly desperate to buy Carroll, I assume they believe they can restore the player to the way he was prior to the move. But trying to almost lecture us in to selling and telling us we should be happy to accept their market value of 12 million for the player is from where im standing absolutely unbelievable. I would prefer to keep Carroll for that kind of money. In fairness what do we actually need cash for because the club has little clue how to use it. We'd probably end up giving the 12 million plus Charlie Adam in return for Dempsey. Ive actually started to hope Carroll starts getting his game. This talk that he cant fit into our way of playing is rubbish. We dont actually play tiki taka football, Carroll given a run of games cant score any less than the players that are already getting a run. I wish they would just start using him instead of leaving him on the bench.

I also wish the club would either send Newcastle a fax telling them where to go or come and state Carroll is an integral part of the team and not for sale at any price.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 22, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Just saw an article titled Newcastle Hold Liverpool to Ransom over Carroll.  Have I missed something or did Newcastle sell Andy Carroll to us nearly two years ago. So we own the player right. The way its being reported we're trying to buy the lad.

I cant get over Newcastles nerve to use the buying tactics they are using. They are clearly desperate to buy Carroll, I assume they believe they can restore the player to the way he was prior to the move. But trying to almost lecture us in to selling and telling us we should be happy to accept their market value of 12 million for the player is from where im standing absolutely unbelievable. I would prefer to keep Carroll for that kind of money. In fairness what do we actually need cash for because the club has little clue how to use it. We'd probably end up giving the 12 million plus Charlie Adam in return for Dempsey. Ive actually started to hope Carroll starts getting his game. This talk that he cant fit into our way of playing is rubbish. We dont actually play tiki taka football, Carroll given a run of games cant score any less than the players that are already getting a run. I wish they would just start using him instead of leaving him on the bench.

I also wish the club would either send Newcastle a fax telling them where to go or come and state Carroll is an integral part of the team and not for sale at any price.
Hey Juan, i think the matter is complicated because we still owe the c*nts some shekels for the
big man. I agree Newcastle are desperate to get Andy back and why not, if they keep their two
Senegalese lads and add Carroll, I think that they have enough firepower to mount a top 4 challenge.
Everton showed the other night how lethal a big physical presence can be to expose defensive
weaknesses and that it doesn't have to be all trickery, pace and technique up front.

Imo, the league isn't just won on the pitch and Newcastle are playing a blinder over Carroll. It's how
we respond that shows our strength or weakness...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2012, 04:57:20 PM
We need to do nothing. Like teeth, ignore them and they'll go away. If they want him, they'll bid accordingly. If they don't, they'lll bis accordingly.
What makes or breaks this is Rodgers.
If he shows faith in Carroll, at least publicly, and gives him starts in all three cups, plus a decent go in the league as a Plan B, he'll show Newcastle's bid for what it is and tell Carroll, they can't want him much, otherwise they'd bid a figure which would allow a sale to go through.
Also, remind him that they sold him against his will and that 18 months ago they rated him at £35M, now they think he's worth only a third of that. In other words, use Newcastle's figures against them, to show that they didn't and don't really want him badly enough.
Point out, Allen. A player who had only one year of PL experience, but we believed in him and bid accordingly. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 22, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
as time passes, and he starts to fade from the england starting 11, the lad will re-evaluate his options.

west ham could well be a destination, eventually.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2012, 06:34:55 PM
as time passes, and he starts to fade from the england starting 11, the lad will re-evaluate his options.

west ham could well be a destination, eventually.

Despite his lack of technical ability, we could certainly use his strengths in a Plan B, which wouldn't neccessarily mean hoofing. The main gripe I've read about from Swansea's fans was that Rodgers never had a plan B. If things weren't working the alternative was more of the same.
Interestingly, in the two interviews I've seen with Laudrup he's refered to and addressed the issue.

I hope Rodgers is a big enough manager to acknowledge his flaws from last season and address them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 22, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Hey Juan, i think the matter is complicated because we still owe the c*nts some shekels for the
big man. I agree Newcastle are desperate to get Andy back and why not, if they keep their two
Senegalese lads and add Carroll, I think that they have enough firepower to mount a top 4 challenge.
Everton showed the other night how lethal a big physical presence can be to expose defensive
weaknesses and that it doesn't have to be all trickery, pace and technique up front.

Imo, the league isn't just won on the pitch and Newcastle are playing a blinder over Carroll. It's how
we respond that shows our strength or weakness...

Yeah I know where your coming from Ed. I cant take Newcastle  trying to bully us into a deal. Heck if Andy Carroll was playing elsewhere and up for sale for 12 million Id possibly be hoping Rodgers would take a punt.

I dont like Carrolls style but hes better than what we've seen of him. He may not be 35 million good but hes not 12 million worth either. If we arent going to get a relatively good return on him, like 20 million then Id prefer to keep him and make him an important part of the team. As you say a team needs more than just Plan A.

In the mean time I would like the club to show some steel and make light of Newcastles offer. Either that or just ignore it altogether.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 22, 2012, 11:36:43 PM
I dont like Carrolls style but hes better than what we've seen of him. He may not be 35 million good but hes not 12 million worth either. If we arent going to get a relatively good return on him, like 20 million then Id prefer to keep him and make him an important part of the team. As you say a team needs more than just Plan A.
I think it goes back to the appointment of the manager.

Interviewers: "Brendan we have a £35 million asset by the name of Andy. Out of curiosity would you see him as an integral
part of your plans were you to be offered the position? Yes/No?"


Brendan: "Eh no, I can't work with tall strikers!"

Interviewers: "Ok, that's interesting" (whispers, right who's are go-to-guy for flogging dead horses? ask him to see
where we stand in relation to offloading the Big Man
).

My point is that coming off the back of last season, we appeared to have an in-form striker who may have turned a
corner. Now we have a farce.

As we've said ad nauseum on here, there's a gaping hole between the owners and manager where we require a shrewd
footballing operator that can solve problems and get things done. I only want to hear from the manager when he does pre-
and post match interviews and from the owners once or twice a year (i wonder will they attend the City game?). In the
meantime everything else should be run efficiently behind the scenes, invisible to all and sundry. Instead we have the
Toon, Dave Whelan and whoever else continually taking the p.i.s.s at our expense. While operations are as sub-standard
as this in relation to our off-field dealings with these footballing minnows it is inconceivable, imo, that there can be any sort
of resurgence on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2012, 12:39:18 AM
(i wonder will they attend the City game?).

They didn't bother turning up for the first competative game at Anfield (effectively the start of the season) against Gomel, so I won't be surprised if they didn't bother with the first home league game of the season.

Compare that to this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2129656/Liverpool-owner-miss-FA-Cup-semi-final-return-USA.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2129656/Liverpool-owner-miss-FA-Cup-semi-final-return-USA.html)

You can see where their priorities lie, and it shows in the weak administration they have put in place despite knowing as much about football as I do about baseball. I'd imagine their baseball administration is much more fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Marca (I know, I know) are saying that Sahin is now coming to us.

So where is the goalscorer and the wide right sided forward that we are desperate for?

It seems crystal clear now that last Summer and the previous January was 'the' financial push for CL places and that 'one (two) off' has both well and truly been wasted and left us even more hamstrung than we were before.

Even if Spurs lose Modric, they look to have strengthened overall. Likewise with Arsenal, especially if they replace Song. Chelsea were already stronger before their latest breaking of the FFP rules, as were both Mancs.

Newcastle have started well (even though it's one game) and a home win against a direct rival is the best start possible.

Looks like we have to pin our hopes on the cups for European football, as it's very difficult if you take a step back and consider everything with a clear head, to see how we will finish ahead of two. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2012, 05:02:21 PM
Liverpool FC have Nuri Sahin deal hope after Arsenal snag, but no agreement yet

By James Pearce  Aug 23 2012


LIVERPOOL FC have a glimmer of hope in the race to sign Nuri Sahin after his proposed move to Arsenal hit a snag.

The Reds believed they had lost out to the Gunners in their bid to secure the services of the Real Madrid midfielder on a season-long loan.

Sahin's desire for Champions League football had left boss Brendan Rodgers looking at other options in the transfer market.

However, the 23-year-old Turkish international's switch to the Emirates has yet to be completed because the Gunners want the deal to include the opportunity to make the transfer permanent.

Madrid aren't willing to sanction that and as a result Sahin's future remains uncertain.

Liverpool have distanced themselves from reports in Spain today suggesting Sahin has turned his back on Arsenal and is on his way to Anfield.

Club officials insist no agreement is in place but hopes have been rekindled slightly by Arsenal's failure to so far complete the deal.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/08/23/liverpool-fc-have-nuri-sahin-deal-hope-after-arsenal-snag-but-no-agreement-yet-100252-31682051/#ixzz24MakzlLL (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/08/23/liverpool-fc-have-nuri-sahin-deal-hope-after-arsenal-snag-but-no-agreement-yet-100252-31682051/#ixzz24MakzlLL)

If the little part in bold is true, it's the best move we've made this Summer. Hopefully we'll continue to distance ourselves from a lot of things like this in the future.

If we did get him on loan, I'd hope we wouldn't commit to a loan without having a set fee we could choose to sign him for at the end. What's the point of having him for a season, for him to be an influential member of the team and then see him disappear back to Real, leaving a huge hole to fill or Real deciding he can leave and/or Sahin making it clear he wishes to stay with us, just to be taken for a ride by Real over the fee they demand.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 23, 2012, 07:13:29 PM
Liverpool FC have Nuri Sahin deal hope after Arsenal snag, but no agreement yet

If the little part in bold is true, it's the best move we've made this Summer. Hopefully we'll continue to distance ourselves from a lot of things like this in the future.

If we did get him on loan, I'd hope we wouldn't commit to a loan without having a set fee we could choose to sign him for at the end. What's the point of having him for a season, for him to be an influential member of the team and then see him disappear back to Real, leaving a huge hole to fill or Real deciding he can leave and/or Sahin making it clear he wishes to stay with us, just to be taken for a ride by Real over the fee they demand.

Guillem Balague said his agent met officials at Anfield yesterday. I still think he will go to Arsenal.

I dont necessarily feel we have to include a fee Tes. A loan with a possible first option should they sell would be good enough for me. At the moment with the way our club is being viewed domestically and across Europe tied with the fact that our squad is so thin on quality I'd be happy with a few quality loan deals even if they are for a season. Anything that can help us get back challenging is good enough for me.

Imagine if we had taken Adebeyor on loan in January 2011, we'd have saved ourselves 35 million.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Guillem Balague said his agent met officials at Anfield yesterday. I still think he will go to Arsenal.

I dont necessarily feel we have to include a fee Tes. A loan with a possible first option should they sell would be good enough for me. At the moment with the way our club is being viewed domestically and across Europe tied with the fact that our squad is so thin on quality I'd be happy with a few quality loan deals even if they are for a season. Anything that can help us get back challenging is good enough for me.

Imagine if we had taken Adebeyor on loan in January 2011, we'd have saved ourselves 35 million.

If we have any thoughts about buying him we need to get a figure as part of the contract, therefore if he bombs we give him back, if he exceeds expectation we don't get held over a barrel. It's the way we've been played twice over Aquilani. I it's probably a moot  point anyway as I understand this is the problem with the Arsenal deal. They want an opportunity to buy, and Real aren't interested.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2012, 11:34:06 PM
Hopefully one signing we will make this window is Sterling on a new long term deal. Our midfield maybe be over flowing in quantity, but there's only one or two drops left quality wise.

And if we only sign one more player it has to be a goalscorer. Is Coates injured or does Rodgers feel the same way about him as Dalglish obviously did?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 23, 2012, 11:56:29 PM
Hopefully one signing we will make this window is Sterling on a new long term deal. Our midfield maybe be over flowing in quantity, but there's only one or two drops left quality wise.

And if we only sign one more player it has to be a goalscorer. Is Coates injured or does Rodgers feel the same way about him as Dalglish obviously did?

The sooner Carragher goes the sooner he doesnt have to be force-ably removed from the team. In games like tonight why Coates isnt playing beside Agger is a mystery. Carragher is finished.

Completely agreed on Sterling, our best player by a country mile tonight. Sign him up, tie him down, hes one genuinely quality player we do have in our squad. Henderson, Downing, Spearing are not up to it.

Rodgers claims Sahin is signing tomorrow so looks as if we've beaten Arsenal to him for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2012, 12:02:57 AM
I'd leave the European nights for Carra to play in with Coates. Let him coach Coates through the games and rest Agger and Skrtel.
He's obviously not going to play Johnson, but another option I'd like to see tried is to play Kelly at centre half and lets see if he can do it at a higher level. Ryan McLaughlin could cope with this level I'm sure, at least the earlier rounds/group stages and I see him as a better prospect than Flanagan. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 24, 2012, 08:20:09 AM
The sooner Carragher goes the sooner he doesnt have to be force-ably removed from the team. In games like tonight why Coates isnt playing beside Agger is a mystery. Carragher is finished.

Completely agreed on Sterling, our best player by a country mile tonight. Sign him up, tie him down, hes one genuinely quality player we do have in our squad. Henderson, Downing, Spearing are not up to it.

Rodgers claims Sahin is signing tomorrow so looks as if we've beaten Arsenal to him for one reason or another.

Couldn't agree more....If Carra plays against Citeh on sunday then playing him tonight was madness..Unless Coates was being saved and i'll keep quiet...it seems very odd that Coates can play for the south american champions against brazil and argentina and the like but can't against hearts...very odd...

Sterling made the difference tonight....kelly was also good...and borini showed vague signs of coming good...the rest? not so much...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2012, 04:25:47 PM
Couldn't agree more....If Carra plays against Citeh on sunday then playing him tonight was madness..Unless Coates was being saved and i'll keep quiet...it seems very odd that Coates can play for the south american champions against brazil and argentina and the like but can't against hearts...very odd...

Sterling made the difference tonight....kelly was also good...and borini showed vague signs of coming good...the rest? not so much...

Unless Coates is being eased back in due to playing in the Olympics, but surely, as he's not going to play a main role this season, the cup games, with the length of time between them, shouldn't be a problem even with Olympic participation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2012, 11:26:20 PM
How come Wolves have managed to get £14M/15M for Fletcher and £10.5M for Jarvis, yet we can't get a reasonable fee for Carroll or any interest in Downing?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
Apparently the Times tomorrow will be carrying a story about City coming back in with a third bid for Agger.

Just accept the bid but tell them they get Skrtel instead. I'm sure we could find an equal player and leave ourselves with a few mill spare as a result.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 25, 2012, 01:20:14 AM
Couldn't agree more....If Carra plays against Citeh on sunday then playing him tonight was madness..Unless Coates was being saved and i'll keep quiet...it seems very odd that Coates can play for the south american champions against brazil and argentina and the like but can't against hearts...very odd...

Sterling made the difference tonight....kelly was also good...and borini showed vague signs of coming good...the rest? not so much...

I forgot that Agger will be out Sunday. Given the amount of game time hes given him I cant see Rodgers starting Coates sunday. Unfortunately its going to be Carragher, Id even play Kelly in there ahead of him at this stage.

Yeah very much agreed, hes playing for one of South Americas top countries, granted the Olympics werent great but if he cant get in instead of Carragher at this stage hes either rubbish or its down to politics. Rodgers cant say hes been given a fair run of chances anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 25, 2012, 01:22:43 AM
How come Wolves have managed to get £14M/15M for Fletcher and £10.5M for Jarvis, yet we can't get a reasonable fee for Carroll or any interest in Downing?

Good point Tes. Its time we stick to our guns. I was glad to see Rodgers completely rubbish Newcastles 12 million pound offer.

If Fletcher can fetch 12 million Carroll is worth 20.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 25, 2012, 01:32:26 AM
Apparently the Times tomorrow will be carrying a story about City coming back in with a third bid for Agger.

Just accept the bid but tell them they get Skrtel instead. I'm sure we could find an equal player and leave ourselves with a few mill spare as a result.

Haha it would be funny to see Mancinis reaction if Skrtel arrived to take Aggers medical.

The thought of being left with Carragher, Skrtel and Coates as our centre backs for the season sends shivers down my spine. It wouldnt be worth it for 25 million because we'd finish at best 8th.

Trying to replace Agger with one week to go, 25 million burning a hole in our pocket and every club knowing we have to sign a centre back is a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
Haha it would be funny to see Mancinis reaction if Skrtel arrived to take Aggers medical.

The thought of being left with Carragher, Skrtel and Coates as our centre backs for the season sends shivers down my spine. It wouldnt be worth it for 25 million because we'd finish at best 8th.

Trying to replace Agger with one week to go, 25 million burning a hole in our pocket and every club knowing we have to sign a centre back is a recipe for disaster.

Carragher, Skrtel, Coates. You could be forgiven for thinking Halloween had come early. The problem is is that we know Skrtel reverts to being Skrtel Version 1 when he doesn't play with Agger. The difference in his performance is frightening, especially when he'd be the one to cover Carra and make up for Carra's age-induced flaws, but they both look like thhey're struggling to reach the level they need to and are struggling so much with their own games as to be of no help to the other.

I think it's impossible to gauge Coates whilst Carra's around. It's impossible to know whether Carra being picked ahead of Coates is a reflection on Coates or is more about who Carra is.

In terms of numbers we seem well stocked and strong at centre half, but we really need to start planning our moves in that position now, ready for next Summer. It's a postion that's nowhere near as strong as the numbers would suggest.
The only good thing about Skrtel signing a new deal is that it maintains his value but that's only a positive if he maintains last season's form. If not, it will be another financial millstone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 26, 2012, 08:19:32 AM
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has said he recently signed a new contract with the club because he wants to pay back the intense faith the club had shown in him during the Patrice Evra racism row.

Suarez said he truly believes Liverpool can win the Premier League in future under new manager Brendan Rodgers.

“There were clubs that wanted to sign me, but my priority was always to stay and sign again with Liverpool, because I believe this club can win the Premier League if we do everything right,” The Daily Mirror quoted Suarez, as saying.

“My decision was easy because the club stuck by me last season. They had trust in me because of the work I do on the football pitch, and what happened in the past is the past – it is over,” he added.

“I recognise the season wasn’t very good last time, especially in the league. A team like Liverpool always wants to be in the Champions League where it should be, but I still believe we can make it,” he said.

Suarez added: “My dream is to play there for at least one season with Liverpool.”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 26, 2012, 01:39:13 PM
Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has said he recently signed a new contract with the club because he wants to pay back the intense faith the club had shown in him during the Patrice Evra racism row.

Suarez said he truly believes Liverpool can win the Premier League in future under new manager Brendan Rodgers.

“There were clubs that wanted to sign me, but my priority was always to stay and sign again with Liverpool, because I believe this club can win the Premier League if we do everything right,” The Daily Mirror quoted Suarez, as saying.

“My decision was easy because the club stuck by me last season. They had trust in me because of the work I do on the football pitch, and what happened in the past is the past – it is over,” he added.

“I recognise the season wasn’t very good last time, especially in the league. A team like Liverpool always wants to be in the Champions League where it should be, but I still believe we can make it,” he said.

Suarez added: “My dream is to play there for at least one season with Liverpool.”

I wouldnt read too much into stuff like that Dude. If he stays he stays if he eventually goes he goes. We cant do much to stop him. At least hes signed a new deal for now. It could be worse we could be Arsenal. I see they are talking about the need to build a British core in their team now to prevent players running down contracts and leaving.  There would be no hope of Carroll, Downing and Henderson leaving them if they feel the need to shop at home.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 26, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
I know there were reservations about Sahin considering it looks like we dont have a purchase option. What do people think now that hes signed up?

I havent seen alot of the player but if reports are to be believed he has huge potential. If we can keep him injury free I am looking forward to him becoming a permanent fixture in our midfield for the year. In fairness a midfield of Lucas, Allen and Sahin sounds to have far more potential than Lucas, Spearing and Henderson.  So even the fact that we cant purchase at the end of the loan deal if Sahin can bring the quality needed to improve our league position by a few places then I think its worth it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 26, 2012, 02:08:57 PM
It could be worse we could be Arsenal. I see they are talking about the need to build a British core in their team now to prevent players running down contracts and leaving.  There would be no hope of Carroll, Downing and Henderson leaving them if they feel the need to shop at home.

maybe we can help Arsenal build their english core and give them several of our muppets!   :)

having 3 or 4 of the finest players in these islands is a perfectly fine ideal, as long as they are of a certain level.   But in modern times, I wouldn;t give you twenty quid for 99 percent of the cream of the crop, of this latest generation of players.   

the scholes, giggs, beckham, owen, gerrard, ashley cole, seaman generation/s was the last of the fine wine......since then, we have been served plonk.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 26, 2012, 07:45:40 PM
maybe we can help Arsenal build their english core and give them several of our muppets!   :)


Seeing as we've just recently been 'about Britain' with the Olympics, couldn't they extend their catchment area a 'wee' bit as we've got a representative from north of Hadrian's wall that would fit in well with the non-defensive attitude.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 27, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on August 28, 2012, 09:10:13 PM
Looks like Spearing is on his way off to Bolton for a princely sum of £3M. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194643/Jay-Spearing-set-3m-Bolton-move.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194643/Jay-Spearing-set-3m-Bolton-move.html)

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2012, 11:44:12 PM
Looks like Spearing is on his way off to Bolton for a princely sum of £3M. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194643/Jay-Spearing-set-3m-Bolton-move.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2194643/Jay-Spearing-set-3m-Bolton-move.html)

We couldn't exactly charge them that much more especially as there's not that much of him to charge for. I hope than we include a sell-on clause. Not that I see him being sold for 5x as much next Summer, but Bolton may at some point sell him and if there's a chance to we need to cash in. Arsenal have done this several times. It's the reason Pennant cost so much.
This is what the academy needs to be producing. Either players for the first team/squad or players that can be sold off with sell-on clauses giving us an income twice off them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2012, 11:45:04 PM
Has anyone actually seen Downing seriously linked with anyone?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2012, 11:50:37 PM
Stoke have offered £[depends which site you read]M for Adam.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8032237 (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8032237)

http://liverpool.theoffside.com/2012/8/29/3278016/stoke-bid-5m-for-charlie-adam (http://liverpool.theoffside.com/2012/8/29/3278016/stoke-bid-5m-for-charlie-adam)

The first part of last Summer's disaster could be rectified to a degree (though at a huge overall cost).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2012, 11:55:56 PM
Carroll still may/may not be off back to the Geordies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/29/andy-carroll-alan-pardew-newcastle (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/29/andy-carroll-alan-pardew-newcastle)

If he goes on Friday I'd rather save the cash and look for a loan or something in January. If we're short of a striker let's use Adam Morgan. I'd rather see a youngster prove he's not yet up to the task than a panic buy proving he's unlikely to ever be.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on August 30, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
Offloading Andy Carroll remains key to Brendan Rodgers rebuilding mission

Tony Barrett

Brendan Rodgers wants Andy Carroll to accept that his career at Anfield is over as the Liverpool manager tries to cash in on the out-of-favour forward to step up his interest in Theo Walcott and Clint Dempsey.

Before what promises to be a hectic last 48 hours of the transfer window for Liverpool, Rodgers reiterated that he needs to sell before he can buy. He hopes to use the proceeds of sales to add Walcott — who held talks with Arsène Wenger, the Arsenal manager, yesterday — and Dempsey, the Fulham forward, to his squad.

Charlie Adam looks set to join Stoke City while Jay Spearing will leave on loan, with Wolverhampton Wanderers and Bolton Wanderers interested in the midfielder.

Those deals will free up the funds for Liverpool to reignite their interest in Dempsey, having previously ruled out a move for the American, 29, because of his age and Fulham’s £10 million asking price.

But unless Fenway Sports Group, the club’s owner, releases funds to facilitate an offer for Walcott as a potential marquee signing, any hopes Rodgers has of beating Manchester City to his signature will rest on whether they can attract a significant fee for Carroll and convince him to leave.

Walcott met Wenger yesterday after turning down a new contract and informed the Arsenal manager that he is not agitating for a transfer. Wenger, in turn, told the winger that he will not be sold during this transfer window, but Liverpool and City are ready to test the Frenchman’s resolve to keep a player who is in the final 12 months of his contract.

City are likely to make a formal offer for the England player today, but also remain interested in Scott Sinclair, having had a £6.2 million bid for the winger rejected by Swansea City, who are seeking a fee in excess of £7 million.

In the absence of the kind of spending power available at City, Rodgers will use the remaining time in the window to put together a financial package that may tempt Arsenal and Walcott to do business. The situation surrounding Carroll, who continues to interest Newcastle United, his former club, and West Ham United, is key to his hopes.

“Obviously, I have seen a lot of the links and it is great that those players would want to come here, but the reality is that we are not in a position to do those sort of deals at this stage,” Rodgers said. “The reality is, financially, we need to repair, so the players being linked for the money mentioned, I don’t have the ability to sign in this window.

“I respect players and I’m precise with my information so they know where they stand. We all come into the profession knowing what the job is. Ultimately, it comes down to what your objective is as a player.

“I can only be straight. I’ve made it clear I have a 1 to 11, cover players and development players. Some of the development players may become starters. If you fit outside that, I will tell you. Then it’s up to the player. Does the player want to play football?

“You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see Andy has been a cover player for us and has been excellent in terms of his attitude and acceptance of where he is at, but as a football club, I don’t think we are in a position to have £35 million players as third-choice strikers, or wingers who are on £5 million-£6 million a year. This is the challenge I have.”

Carroll has been omitted from the Liverpool squad for the Europa League play-off round, second leg against Heart of Midlothian tonight as Rodgers continues to try to offload him.

Newcastle’s offer to take Carroll on loan for the rest of this season, with a guaranteed £15 million at the end of the campaign, remains on the table and Alan Pardew is hopeful that a deal can be struck. But Liverpool are reluctant to accept that bid.

“I’ve always said it’s not really down to me,” the Newcastle manager said. “Would I want him in my squad? Of course I would. Probably every Premier League manager in the country would want him in their squad. But can the business deal be done? That’s nothing to do with me.”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2012, 01:38:48 PM
Looks more and more likely that Dempsey will sign when Adam and Spearing leave. Certainly offers potentially more goals and assists than Downing (if he can keep up his performance level to that of the last two seasons) and has the ability to slot in up front without being a target man and would work within a fluid front three.

His age is definately a downside, but depending on the fee and salary, if he helps us qualify for the CL in one of his likely three year contract, then he could be looked at as money well spent.

On the upside his injury record is excellent and he'd replace that bit of 'attitude' that we've lost letting Bellamy go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Gurdeep on August 30, 2012, 02:27:55 PM
Agree Tes. 

Adams has been disappointing and Spearing, well he was never really a LFC 1st team player.  Dempsey would certainly provide more of a  threat in front of goal and if he is able to transition his performance over the last two seasons into a red shirt then this could be a shrewd signing.  But then thats what we all thought when we bought Adams...lol. 

The Carroll situation is the one that intrigues me the most though, I've a lot of friends who are also reds, and they certainly would like to see Carroll be given an opportunity, but I am not of that thought.  I personally would like to see him go for a decent fee and have that money re-invested into a proven finisher.  Read somewhere today that if we get say £17M for Carroll we may go for Llorente (Atheltic Bilbao/Madrid? can't remember). 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Read somewhere today that if we get say £17M for Carroll we may go for Llorente (Atheltic Bilbao/Madrid? can't remember).

Llorente plays for Bilbao who have just lost Javi Martinez to Bayern for €40M.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 30, 2012, 04:11:57 PM
The Carroll situation is the one that intrigues me the most though, I've a lot of friends who are also reds, and they certainly would like to see Carroll be given an opportunity, but I am not of that thought.
Whatever the case, it's clear that the manager doesn't want him and has
done everything he can bar stuff him in a taxi and give the driver £500 to
take him Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 30, 2012, 08:48:07 PM
good to see adams on his way......always looked too fat, unfit and lazy for my liking.

carroll has only gone on loan to the hammers........at least they are paying all his 100 grand a week wages, plus we get a 1 million loan fee....so worth 6 million total to us.   Pity he isn't been sold.

spearing going to bolton on loan....again a great pity that the deal is not permanent.

as for incomings......I think rodgers badly needs dempsey, to be the head of his attacking spear.

walcott has got speed, nothing else.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2012, 11:26:20 PM
Just hope the striker Rodgers has lined up knows where the goal is as having lost goals from Maxi, Bellamy and Kuyt, Borini not being played as a striker at the head of the attack, and Luis still showing he's not a natural goalscorer, we need something special tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2012, 11:37:57 PM
It's hard to see what the 'strategic decision' was to let Carroll go on loan or the strategy behind the loans as it's not helping the club with young players getting experience, instead it's giving other clubs the use of players for a relative pittance and whilst we do get the wage of the books for the duration of the loan we've neither got the money to go and replace them or have a stream of youngsters coming through who needed their way clearing.

My worry is also that Rodgers is trying to make too many personnel changes in one go.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2012, 11:43:20 PM
And yet again we're doing business on the last day of the window. Hopefully from now forward we can get our transfer business sorted, know who we want and can get, conclude things early so that we can just be a spectator to the last day panic, or our only involvement is letting go of players we don't want, whilst being the holders not the held where the barrel's concerned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 30, 2012, 11:45:02 PM
Wish Andy C all the best (even if i do hate fat Sam) hope he
starts banging 'em in all season. Go Andy!

In the meantime, I think the manager has behaved appallingly toward
him and won't be swayed to see it any other way by any BS he spouts
about it.

Andy, to his credit, imo behaved in a most dignified manner throughout.

Tbh, i just don't like the gaffer or his methods and i doubt that's ever going to change.
I've seen enough of him and he just gets on my nerves all day long.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 12:09:34 AM
Wish Andy C all the best (even if i do hate fat Sam) hope he
starts banging 'em in all season. Go Andy!

In the meantime, I think the manager has behaved appallingly toward
him and won't be swayed to see it any other way by any BS he spouts
about it.

Andy, to his credit, imo behaved in a most dignified manner throughout.

Tbh, i just don't like the gaffer or his methods and i doubt that's ever going to change.
I've seen enough of him and he just gets on my nerves all day long.

Sack Rodgers. Next please!!  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 31, 2012, 12:16:45 AM
Sack Rodgers. Next please!!  :D
As young Sterling would say...Steady!  ;D

Anyway he can't be sacked!

Doesn't mean i have to like him though   :P
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2012, 12:18:46 AM
Tbh, i just don't like the gaffer or his methods and i doubt that's ever going to change.
I've seen enough of him and he just gets on my nerves all day long.

same here, Ed.

he's given others enough rope to hang himself many times over.

like oleary, he is impossible to listen to, like, or have empathy for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2012, 12:21:35 AM
My worry is also that Rodgers is trying to make too many personnel changes in one go.

yes, this could be a problem.

i worry that the people he is bringing in are fine for mid table teams, but not of the quality needed for top tier teams.

and i know for usre that we do not have the fire power that we need upfront.....unless we get dempsey, i can see probs ahead.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 31, 2012, 02:58:49 AM
same here, Ed.

he's given others enough rope to hang himself many times over.

like oleary, he is impossible to listen to, like, or have empathy for.
He has this weird way of talking

"I respect players and I’m precise with my information so they know where they stand.
We all come into the profession knowing what the job is. Ultimately, it comes down
to what your objective is as a player."


“You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see Andy has been a cover player for us and has
been excellent in terms of his attitude and acceptance of where he is at, but as a football club,
I don’t think we are in a position to have £35 million players as third-choice strikers...
This is the challenge I have"

It's like he feels obliged to say nice things and portray himself as a nice guy and
endlessly explain himself to the media. I think it was despicable that he tried to win
fans over with that speech the other night about how much players cost and earn a year.
That's a real fan argument, a level I've never heard any manager (not to mind a top one) go
down to.

I'm sorry but I just don't see this guy having the cohones of steel to hold it together on
the back straight of a title challenge. There's something weak about the way he dealt with
Carroll. I think he's too quick to draw conclusions about things and rash in his decision making.

I don't think he was angry enough after the City game to succeed at a top club and wonder
whether starting with Sterling against City was a priority over containing Tevez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 08:47:30 AM
If it works it's because of him, if it doesn't it's despite him.

I expect things to be different as change is implemented but our defending in the four senior games we've played has been been poor.

P4 W1 D2 L1 F4 A6 GD-2

So far what has changed is:

Our ability not to concede - got worse
Our ability to keep possession - slight improvement
The amount of clear chances being created - negligible change either way
Ability to take chances created - no change

The overall change so far is in the red. Granted, sometimes you need to take a step backwards or sidewards to be able to take two forwards. Hopefully we're at that stage at the moment, however, the best teams (Barca being the exception) are all built on the ability to keep the opponents' score at 0.

Our success was built on a sound defence. Taggart has always built his teams, Aberdeen included (Alex McLeish and Willie Miller), on a sound defence. Arsenal's successes under Wenger have been built the same way and it's no coincidence that since the defenders utilised have been of questionable quality, and a defensive shield has been done away with, then the only thing they've gathered in their trophy cabinet is dust.

He may want to play like Barca, but until we have the attackers of a similar quality we can't afford a similar defence, but Barca aren't all conquering and never will be until they ensure that they don't concede especially if their attack isn't firing smoothly.
Whilst he wishes to defend by keeping possession, common sense dictates you won't always have the ball, it's simply impossible, so therefore you need to be able to defend without the ball also.

They say league tables don't lie and if you look at the 'A' column when we won the league, likewise Arsenal, Taggart's mob and Mourinho's Chelsea, all have been amongst the best teams with some of the lowest numbers in their 'A' column.

Against City we led twice. To let them back in once is a mistake, but to let them back in twice............
What's the point of a lead if you can't defend it?

Maybe Rodgers has to go back a step. Reintroduce what we did last season in order to defend well, then build on it. If his methods and style don't allow for building on a solid defence then change the methods.
We didn't score goals last season with a sound defence but so far we haven't been able to either with a giant sieve for our defence.
Maybe the problem that needs addressing most urgently is at the top of the park. Suarez is a scorer of great goals (as witnessed last night) not a great goal scorer. His best work is not done down the middle but from a wider position as his starting point.
If he's going to play a system based on 4-3-3, then Rodgers needs to get a goalscorer to be the head of the attack. I'd choose Borini over Suarez to be it. Last night Morgan should have been it, not stuck out on the right of the attack. Ideally, it's neither of the above at the moment.
Would Rush, Fowler, Wright or Shearer have played on the right or left of a '3'?

Arsenal on Sunday, who haven't scored in the PL this season. We need 3 points and a clean sheet to get our season underway. Scraping past Hearts doesn't count as doing that.
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 31, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
I've gotta say i'm deeply troubled by us letting Caroll go to West Ham on loan...if we get no replacement we've shot ourselves in the foot...if dempsey is a cert then it's vaguely acceptable...
the carroll situation must be a deeper one than the face value one...maybe it is down to his attitude...both dalglish and rodgers seem reluctant..
but the whole point of letting players go is to bring money in...to let them shine for free for another club seems ludicrous...
and if it comes down to letting other clubs paying wages for our players...then my how the mighty have fallen...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on August 31, 2012, 02:04:18 PM
I read on Jaimie Kanawar's blog Huntelaar was cought on camera at John Lennon this morning. That's fornicating good news if it's true. You really could tell from Brendan's post-game interview last nite they still hold a few cards. Lets hope they play them well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2012, 02:43:47 PM
If it works it's because of him, if it doesn't it's despite him.

I expect things to be different as change is implemented but our defending in the four senior games we've played has been been poor.

P4 W1 D2 L1 F4 A6 GD-2

So far what has changed is:

Our ability not to concede - got worse
Our ability to keep possession - slight improvement
The amount of clear chances being created - negligible change either way
Ability to take chances created - no change

The overall change so far is in the red.

excellent post, Tes.  I pretty much agree with all your points.

our form to date, all-be that it is very early in the season to judge much, is mid-table form.

we will lose as many as we win.  We have not solved our goal scoring problem......nor have we improved our leaky defence.

we have two old creaking quakers who are poison to the system that rodgers prefers.....namely hoofer and captain marvel.  And it has got no air-play, but the first goal that we gifted to City on Sunday, came because of Captain Marvel gifting possession to City.  Of course pravda (english media) will refuse to divulge this info.

the other lad, with limited brain power, viking mountain dweller, Skitrail, gifted City their second goal.  At that point, the defender has to knock the ball down the channel.  It is not a time, 40 yards from yourown goal, late in the game, defending a slender lead, to pass it square to Tevez.

I just do not see any pattern, balance, or tactics to Rodgers system.  There are many moments in games, where  you change things....I do not see that level of thinking in Rodgers team.

I see a very limited manager.  One that given time, other bosses (and fans) will have fully figured out. 

And when fans see our - win one, draw one, lose one, level of consistency, they will start to ask questions by Christmas.  But it will be away from home, where Rodgers bluff gets called.  That is where, in my opinion, he will flounder (with his limited abilities to change things).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on August 31, 2012, 05:15:19 PM
That's probably two of the least educated posts I read since I got here. Don't have the time yet but I will return with some proof of how hollow and shallow your "analysis" actually are. 2 league games and the knifes are out. Laughable to hear you two feed each other.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
not wanting to blow one's own trumpet, but I strongly suspect that one or two of us in here have forgotten more about football, martin, than you have ever known about it.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 31, 2012, 05:59:05 PM
That's probably two of the least educated posts I read since I got here. Don't have the time yet but I will return with some proof of how hollow and shallow your "analysis" actually are. 2 league games and the knifes are out. Laughable to hear you two feed each other.
Martin there are two ways of looking at things and the Gaffers actions to date:

1.) Won't work with DoF
2.) Promotes Marsh, alienates Segura,
3.) Forces Carroll to move by selecting Adam Morgan,
4.) Strange need to communicate everything to the media (always prefaced by, if I'm honest...ffs you're the manager of LFC, cut the B*llshit!).

Now maybe these are the actions of somebody 100% confident in their abilities as the top manager,
maybe not? We'll wait and see. There aren't many on here though, as far as i can see, who are willing
to greet every utterance from the new man as if in fact it was the words of God whispered in his
ear. I don't like the manager and remain to be convinced that he's the right man for the job, he can't be
sacked so what the hell difference does it make.

You, Tomkins and a lot of others remind me of this!  :P

(http://thesocietypages.org/economicsociology/files/2010/05/hughes12.jpg)

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on August 31, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
We all have our drives, Ed mate. Dude's easy to figure out. He's grown a bitter cad over losing his gaylord Rafa and write of anyone thinking maybe he wasn't the man for no 19.( "I know more about footy than you and all your ancestors and probably the rest of the world because I've watched the game on weekly basis since the 1860's" for critizising his totally uncritical, take on Rafa the stubborn cad). Tes' a different treat, here I think 20 years of  slow but steady decay starts to settle in she knows damn better than what she wrote in that post. To me it's sheer frustration. Period. . Her comments are more depressed than malign if you catch me drift. As for you Ed, my friend I don't know. You're younger than me but closer to the game than the most of us as I gather so I listen carefully to what you say. However, you show me this 6 point list two leaguegames into the new gaffer's regime. Surely you can see that even if he gets us relegated there too little to go by as of yet????

I don't know, but what I do know is that if you take those two posts and put them into any context, and I mean any, lets say 15 months from now,  none of the posters would feel comfortable about them.

Brendan Rodgers will do fine. He's made this team perform better than any of his predecessors. Fair enough there'll be lapses, low points an'all but the tempo on the ball, the movement and the urgency he's managed to instill after just two games I haven't seen this club produce on this side of number 18.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 08:06:22 PM
We all have our drives, Ed mate. Dude's easy to figure out. He's grown a bitter cad over losing his gaylord Rafa and write of anyone thinking maybe he wasn't the man for no 19.( "I know more about footy than you and all your ancestors and probably the rest of the world because I've watched the game on weekly basis since the 1860's" for critizising his totally uncritical, take on Rafa the stubborn cad). Tes' a different treat, here I think 20 years of  slow but steady decay starts to settle in she knows damn better than what she wrote in that post. To me it's sheer frustration. Period. . Her comments are more depressed than malign if you catch me drift. As for you Ed, my friend I don't know. You're younger than me but closer to the game than the most of us as I gather so I listen carefully to what you say. However, you show me this 6 point list two leaguegames into the new gaffer's regime. Surely you can see that even if he gets us relegated there too little to go by as of yet????

I don't know, but what I do know is that if you take those two posts and put them into any context, and I mean any, lets say 15 months from now,  none of the posters would feel comfortable about them.

Brendan Rodgers will do fine. He's made this team perform better than any of his predecessors. Fair enough there'll be lapses, low points an'all but the tempo on the ball, the movement and the urgency he's managed to instill after just two games I haven't seen this club produce on this side of number 18.

Cheers Martin for the gender re-assignment, I will remember to wear a dress after I've shaved tomorrow morning, or I may borrow the wife's leather mini, though I doubt I have the legs for it.

Martin, you've been cheerleading for Brendan since before his appointment, but for the rest we'll judge on what we see, something which we have no control over, so any assessment is only a reflection.
So far our defending  has got worse.
We haven't created any more clear chances than under Dalglish and those we have we are still struggling to worry the net.
etc,etc

Downing at left back? I understand youngsters developing a different position to what they started out in at very junior level, but Downing is 28. How many players have re-invented themselves at that age successfully. The list is tiny, the probability low.

And Dude and I have definately never dined together, more's the pity. 

And when you start using such demeaning terms about posters, you completely undermine your argument.

You may not concur, that's the beauty of a discussion forum, but keep it civilised. There's plenty of other places where the trading of insults are carried out as par for the course.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on August 31, 2012, 08:47:00 PM
Two things:-

1) I agree 100% completely with Martin regarding Rodgers.

2) There will be no more incoming transfers. Unless something drastic happens.

Rodgers is a breathe of fresh air. I like his way of dispensing of players in a cut throat fashion if they don't fit in with his plans.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on August 31, 2012, 09:04:04 PM
Not looking like Dempsey is coming now cos it seems we can't raise 7 mil and only offered 4 mil
or we want to make a swap deal with henderson and henderson doesn't want to go....so now we're valueing 16 mil henderson at 7 mil???
if we can't afford 7 mil then that brings to mind the FSG promise that they'd break the bank to bring in the right player if needed...and 7 mil ain't that much but just might do the trick...

so now we get rid of Carroll and we're left with suarez and borini....

brilliant....we look like paupers and we're lightweight up front..

Maybe we can bring that little turn coat Owen back....at least he'll cost nowt...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on August 31, 2012, 09:11:09 PM
It's not that we can't afford it but it is all about the valuation of the player, which is the key.

For me Dempsey is definitely worth a punt at £7m because he will score 10 goals and make 5 or so assists which will make the money worth it.

We are royally screwed if Suarez and Borini are our only two options. However this gives an opportunity to Morgan and the exciting signing, Yesil to take their chances, when it surely comes along now. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 31, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
However this gives an opportunity to Morgan and the exciting signing, Yesil to take their chances, when it surely comes along now. 
We were told only recently that there were players 1-11, cover players & development players.

Now surely, anyone with the faintest grip on reality would categorise Morgan & Yesil (£1 million)
as development players??

We have little or no credible cover options up front + 4 campaigns to manage. FFS, we don't even
have anyone who can get on the end of a cross. C'mon, what sort of nonsense are you on about?

Simple thought experiment, Suarez gets injured... :o

Even put the words back in Rodgers mouth & it couldn't possibly be argued that on the pitch we
are now somehow better off that we have no recognised third striker?? (& I'm not even a Rocket
Scientist, but yet I have deduced this by counting with 3 fingers! ;D ).

“You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see Andy has been a cover player for us and has
been excellent in terms of his attitude and acceptance of where he is at, but as a football club,
I don’t think we are in a position to have £35 million players as third-choice strikers...
This is the challenge I have"


1 small step for Andy, one gigantic leap for West Ham! (& now Spurs have gazumped us again!)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on August 31, 2012, 09:35:56 PM
Dempsey is at Spurs lodge.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on August 31, 2012, 10:07:59 PM
No wonder there is no pressure on Rodgers to finish 4th, we don't have a fornicating chance anyway. I am really fuming at no replacement for Carroll.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
I thought we'd signed Samed Yesil to be Carroll's replacement.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 10:28:37 PM
Now is the comment in my sig about Dalglish starting to make more sense?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on August 31, 2012, 10:51:48 PM
Our owners have made our another manager look like a complete and utter fornicating mug.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
We're not on our own:

From: http://www.theday.com/article/20120826/SPORT10/308269910/1070/SPORT21 (http://www.theday.com/article/20120826/SPORT10/308269910/1070/SPORT21)

"Boston's Adrian Gonzalez was part of a nine-player trade announced Saturday between the Red Sox and the Los Angeles Dodgers, one in which the Red Sox freed themselves of more than $250 million in salary obligations from now until 2018. Also among those traded were Boston's Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford."

Are FSG going bust?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2012, 11:23:53 PM
Eccleston's been sold to Blackpool and according to the Echo Danny Wilson was off too.

Pacheco's loan to Valladolid has fallen through. Can we now use him on the left instead of Henderson.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on August 31, 2012, 11:38:32 PM
I asked for a sofa, they sold my fridge!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 31, 2012, 11:45:44 PM
We were told only recently that there were players 1-11, cover players & development players.

Now surely, anyone with the faintest grip on reality would categorise Morgan & Yesil (£1 million)
as development players??

We have little or no credible cover options up front + 4 campaigns to manage. FFS, we don't even
have anyone who can get on the end of a cross. C'mon, what sort of nonsense are you on about?

Simple thought experiment, Suarez gets injured... :o

Even put the words back in Rodgers mouth & it couldn't possibly be argued that on the pitch we
are now somehow better off that we have no recognised third striker?? (& I'm not even a Rocket
Scientist, but yet I have deduced this by counting with 3 fingers! ;D ).

“You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see Andy has been a cover player for us and has
been excellent in terms of his attitude and acceptance of where he is at, but as a football club,
I don’t think we are in a position to have £35 million players as third-choice strikers...
This is the challenge I have"


1 small step for Andy, one gigantic leap for West Ham! (& now Spurs have gazumped us again!)

The last few days have turned out to be an embarrassment for the club. Not the fact that we havent signed anyone, in a way its admirable not to see us getting screwed panic buying but just the fact that the squad is now so light up front. We were already in a dire situation as it was but I am dumbfounded we have let Carroll go without having a replacement. As you say Ed what if Suarez gets injured.

The last few days represents Rodgers first major mistake at the club imho. From a playing perspective with the limited time hes had I think hes doing well. But how the hell has he let Carroll go with no replacement. Its farcical and maybe acceptable at a smaller club but is not good enough for LFC.

The owners have huge questions to answer aswell. Id be interested to see their net spend. The longer the stadium issue drags on makes you question whether this is a lessor version of Hicks and Gillett all over again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 31, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
We're not on our own:

From: http://www.theday.com/article/20120826/SPORT10/308269910/1070/SPORT21 (http://www.theday.com/article/20120826/SPORT10/308269910/1070/SPORT21)

"Boston's Adrian Gonzalez was part of a nine-player trade announced Saturday between the Red Sox and the Los Angeles Dodgers, one in which the Red Sox freed themselves of more than $250 million in salary obligations from now until 2018. Also among those traded were Boston's Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford."

Are FSG going bust?

Are there similarities appearing with another set of American owners we used to know?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 31, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
Eccleston's been sold to Blackpool and according to the Echo Danny Wilson was off too.

Pacheco's loan to Valladolid has fallen through. Can we now use him on the left instead of Henderson.

 :o :o :o :o

Will we actually be able to fill a match day squad?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on August 31, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
I asked for a sofa, they sold my fridge!  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Im almost speechless by whats happened over the last 24 hours. What a farce.

Had to laugh at Phil Thompsons tweet at about 9pm tonight:

Phil Thompson ‏@Phil_Thompson4

Gettin to the point were I wish we were panic buyin?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 12:08:45 AM
I asked for a sofa, they sold my fridge!  ;D

Comedy gold.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 12:10:36 AM
Buck will have a free agent or two lined up to fire us into the top four.

Not sure if it will be a travel agent or newsagent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 12:13:29 AM
Buck will have a free agent or two lined up to fire us into the top four.

Not sure if it will be a travel agent or newsagent.

If we sign Michael Owen Im done, I couldnt handle that mercenary playing for the club again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 12:52:14 AM
Wow even Paul Tomkins thinks we have screwed up in this window. As he says we have probably lost out on Dempsey over the refusal to pay another 1 million pounds. Thats a shocking fact and someone should raise their hand and take responsibility for that one because its amateurish.

Tomkins also goes on to list how many goals he thinks every player should score this season. Personally I think hes being very optimistic. Anywhere this is what he reckons :

Suarez 20, Borini 15, Steven Gerrard 10-15, Sterling 5 (if he plays enough minutes), Sahin 5, Johnson 5, Downing 3-5, Skrtel and Agger (with maybe a nod from Coates) 6 between them, Lucas/Allen 1 or 2, Cole/Shelvey/Henderson 6 between them, Assaidi unknown.

Tomkins reckons the team will score about 80 in all competitions, about 50 in the league. Unless we clean up our defence and start winning 1 nils 50 goals would leave us nowhere again.

Anyway heres the link to Tomkins article. If hes sounding a tad pessimistic we are seriously in trouble  :o;

http://tomkinstimes.com/2012/08/do-liverpool-have-enough-goals-in-them/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheTomkinsTimes+%28The+Tomkins+Times%29



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:14:13 AM
what a farce......pure embarrassment.

I have said it for a couple of months, the yanks should sell the club on.

they are clearly treating it as an overseas pet-project, in which they have little active interest in making a success of it.

they are downsizing the club...........within 3 seasons of taking charge they will have transformed us into a break-even mid-table club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:34:08 AM
Dempsey is at Spurs lodge.

the dude is at the wine lodge.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
We all have our drives, Ed mate. Dude's easy to figure out. He's grown a bitter cad over losing his gaylord Rafa and write of anyone thinking maybe he wasn't the man for no 19.( "I know more about footy than you and all your ancestors and probably the rest of the world because I've watched the game on weekly basis since the 1860's" for critizising his totally uncritical, take on Rafa the stubborn cad). Tes' a different treat, here I think 20 years of  slow but steady decay starts to settle in she knows damn better than what she wrote in that post. To me it's sheer frustration. Period. . Her comments are more depressed than malign if you catch me drift. As for you Ed, my friend I don't know. You're younger than me but closer to the game than the most of us as I gather so I listen carefully to what you say. However, you show me this 6 point list two leaguegames into the new gaffer's regime. Surely you can see that even if he gets us relegated there too little to go by as of yet? ???

I don't know, but what I do know is that if you take those two posts and put them into any context, and I mean any, lets say 15 months from now,  none of the posters would feel comfortable about them.

Brendan Rodgers will do fine. He's made this team perform better than any of his predecessors. Fair enough there'll be lapses, low points an'all but the tempo on the ball, the movement and the urgency he's managed to instill after just two games I haven't seen this club produce on this side of number 18.

martin, after a couple of years in here, you can't even identify that one of our main posters is a male....so what confidence can I have in your powers of analysis.

why paint yourself into a corner re rodgers.  Why not keep your pepper dry (as we say) and be a tad more non-committal. 

i have often discussed Rafa's pros and cons.  None of us is perfect.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:40:26 AM
I've gotta say i'm deeply troubled by us letting Caroll go to West Ham on loan...if we get no replacement we've shot ourselves in the foot.

you were spot on, with the above post earlier Friday afternoon, barticus.

you called it correctly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:40:46 AM
I agree 100% completely with Martin regarding Rodgers.

given your previous good vibes about dalglish and hodgson, I am not sure that Martin will appreciate the above support.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:42:45 AM
He has this weird way of talking

"I respect players and I’m precise with my information so they know where they stand.
We all come into the profession knowing what the job is. Ultimately, it comes down
to what your objective is as a player."


“You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see Andy has been a cover player for us and has
been excellent in terms of his attitude and acceptance of where he is at, but as a football club,
I don’t think we are in a position to have £35 million players as third-choice strikers...
This is the challenge I have"

It's like he feels obliged to say nice things and portray himself as a nice guy and
endlessly explain himself to the media. I think it was despicable that he tried to win
fans over with that speech the other night about how much players cost and earn a year.
That's a real fan argument, a level I've never heard any manager (not to mind a top one) go
down to.

I'm sorry but I just don't see this guy having the cohones of steel to hold it together on
the back straight of a title challenge. There's something weak about the way he dealt with
Carroll. I think he's too quick to draw conclusions about things and rash in his decision making.

I don't think he was angry enough after the City game to succeed at a top club and wonder
whether starting with Sterling against City was a priority over containing Tevez.

totally agree, Ed.

he is like the son of david oleary.....the same self-regard apparent in every interview.

it's very hard to listen to.

he is the opposite of what the club has always been about.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:47:40 AM
Wow even Paul Tomkins thinks we have screwed up in this window.

If hes sounding a tad pessimistic we are seriously in trouble.

wow, things are bad when even Tomkins is in a sulk.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:49:38 AM
I asked for a sofa, they sold my fridge!  ;D

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 01:54:59 AM
how the hell has he let Carroll go with no replacement. Its farcical and maybe acceptable at a smaller club but is not good enough for LFC.

The owners have huge questions to answer aswell. Id be interested to see their net spend. The longer the stadium issue drags on makes you question whether this is a lessor version of Hicks and Gillett all over again.

the club, Juan, is quite simply being run by rank amateurs, i.e.  at ownership level, at Anfield executive level and at dug-out level.

last summer, money grew on the trees around anfield.....this summer, we can't find the cash for a 29 year old striker, in the last year of his contract at fulham.

we have given maxi, bellamy and kuyt away............top top top players.............and we have not replaced them.

there is a very good reason why the yanks did not even interview Rafa this summer....they knew the spaniard would have raised hell, once he realised they were downsizing Liverpool FC.

the yanks need to sell up and feck off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 02:37:58 AM
what a farce......pure embarrassment.

I have said it for a couple of months, the yanks should sell the club on.

they are clearly treating it as an overseas pet-project, in which they have little active interest in making a success of it.

they are downsizing the club...........within 3 seasons of taking charge they will have transformed us into a break-even mid-table club.

We've been banging away on this for months on here about how poorly run the club is.

Why on earth would the loan of Carroll be sanctioned unless there was a cast-iron agreement
in place to sign a replacement??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 02:48:25 AM
totally agree, Ed.

he is like the son of david oleary.....the same self-regard apparent in every interview.

it's very hard to listen to.

he is the opposite of what the club has always been about.
I bet he wishes now that he kept his trap shut about Carroll until he had put in place a
deal for a replacement. Alas Big club politics, Small club manager  :(

He can't do anything now but put a brave face on it, but would have made it a lot less
cringe-worthy if he'd just kept quiet and manoeuvered shrewdly behind the scenes.

What was it he said the other day:

"We all come into the profession knowing what the job is..."

Do onto others Brendan what you would have done onto yourself. I'd be very
sympathetic if he hadn't treated Andy so poorly and I doubt that his ludicrous
decision to play Morgan in order to push Carroll out the door did him any favours
when he had to justify the signing of a 29 year old to replace a 23 year old. Ouch!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 02:59:09 AM
If we sign Michael Owen Im done, I couldnt handle that mercenary playing for the club again.
Nah, they'd never do that! Unless he was to be the guy inside our big chicken mascot.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 03:02:11 AM
Our owners have made our another manager look like a complete and utter fornicating mug.
He kinda does a good enough job of that all by himself if you ask me? We said he
should keep quiet and everything in house.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on September 01, 2012, 07:28:54 AM

there is a very good reason why the yanks did not even interview Rafa this summer....they knew the spaniard would have raised hell, once he realised they were downsizing Liverpool FC.

the yanks need to sell up and feck off.


Exactly, dude...and Tes' revelation of FSG selling off the Boston Red sox players adds to the intrigue...
we are now owned by people who can't even stump up 7 mil for a player...
who want players off the books like carroll, aquilani, kuyt, maxi and bellamy first and foremost despite it leaves us in a dire state where it matters most...
who have done nothing about the stadium apart from go for the cheap option...

FSG are obviously in trouble financially...and all that 'we'll fork out for any player that is needed' milarky has long seemed hollow...

Methinks they're thinking that if they can get top five on nowt on their wage structure they can then sell on for a nice profit. The problem is that they have no football men to run the show and is based on blind optimism...
they gave kenny handsome funds because he knew what he was doing right cos he's king kenny and all the merdia say so...but any quick check on his previous history since leaving blackburn showed he was useless at buying players and well out of touch...

all you can say is that for rodgers it comes in a shape of 'reap what you sow'...he's been slagging carroll off since he's been here and got his just rewards...

now we'll really see if either carroll or rodgers is any good or not...
carroll on the playing side
and rodgers on the management...if this means using the youngsters like sosa, pacheco, morgan and the like...then we'll see hust how strong our youth development team is...oh wait...we've even fecked that one up...

part of the football so far has been encouraging...but treatment of players, keeping his mouth shut and realising that he's not the big 'i am' has been to our detriment......

come Xmas we'll know for sure if Rodgers is upto the job...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on September 01, 2012, 09:41:16 AM
Cheers Martin for the gender re-assignment, I will remember to wear a dress after I've shaved tomorrow morning, or I may borrow the wife's leather mini, though I doubt I have the legs for it.

I am very sorry for that and can only extend my sincerest apologies. I stand corrected and hang in shame.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on September 01, 2012, 09:47:25 AM
what a farce......pure embarrassment.

I have said it for a couple of months, the yanks should sell the club on.

they are clearly treating it as an overseas pet-project, in which they have little active interest in making a success of it.

they are downsizing the club...........within 3 seasons of taking charge they will have transformed us into a break-even mid-table club.

Hugely suprised, shocked, gutted and disappointed. As Edward pointed out they made Brendan look like a total tit. What's particularly hard to digest is how they allow so many players to leave while not being able and willing to support the manager with a million or two to at least give us some alternatives upfront. This will go a long way to scupper whatever hopes we had a CL-qualification.

I thought Henry et.al. knew what they were doing up until know. Now I know they don't. Congrats Arsenal you'l walk it on Sunday as Brendan and the squad will need the international break to pick themselves up from this humiliating and unambitious way of running things.

Totally gutted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on September 01, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
come Xmas we'll know for sure if Rodgers is upto the job...

Quite to the contrary Bart I think this will only strengthen Brendan's position. Surely he woke up this morning feeling badly sore up the backside?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 10:43:55 AM
I am very sorry for that and can only extend my sincerest apologies. I stand corrected and hang in shame.

Martin, it was actually quite funny. Just one thing. I do understand the offside rule.  :D

The only thing that's been hung is the manager out to dry.

Brendan to a degree has reaped what his words have sewn, but the owners have to take an equal share of the blame in the Carroll farce, as far as him leaving on loan. It should have been made clear to Rodgers that even if Carroll goes, there's nothing available to replace unless he leaves via a sale and not a loan. Rodgers' choice is then an informed one and the blame can only be his.
I doubt this was what he was sold in the Summer, as his last few press conferences have been sending out hints as to the problem. The tone is different from when first appointed, suggesting the rules are somewhat different to what he was told they would be. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on September 01, 2012, 11:00:06 AM
Cheers for that Tes. I once started a reply to you "Dear Tes..." which my wife saw and instantly moaned "so know what, you're having an in-forum affair?". ;D

I think your comment on Brendan reaping what he sewed isn't that far off the mark in my book. At the same time he knew replacing Kenny would need an offensive strategy sending out a clear message to the fans and the media. What worries me in your post is that he'll feel the goalposts have already moved. I also wonder how this apparent rift between the owners and the manager will affect he squad. I hate to say it but tomorrow's game could be very important altho it's early days. Worst of all this means Brendan will be forced to play the wasteful Suarez out of position in the middle (always had him as a free roaming left midfielder if you see where I come from).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on September 01, 2012, 11:40:35 AM
Tes I need to admit I also thought you were female :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on September 01, 2012, 11:46:07 AM
 ;D ;D

Sound reading http://www.kopsource.com/deadline-day-blunders-leave-rodgers-with-uphill-task/? (http://www.kopsource.com/deadline-day-blunders-leave-rodgers-with-uphill-task/?)

You’ll Never Walk Alone is not an entirely consistent club motto. Ask Tom Hicks or George Gillette; if you fall foul of the fan-base, you’ll be hearing about it. Examples needn’t be as extreme as that though, as Paul Konchesky, Joe Cole and Alberto Aquilani will testify – mediocrity too can have the power to infuriate.
Opinions vary as to quite how poor a Deadline Day Liverpool had, though fans were largely agreed that watching the promise that comes with the transfer window slip away so hopelessly made for uncomfortable viewing. Clint Dempsey’s last minute move to Tottenham Hotspur sealed a nightmare day for the Reds, who failed to achieve their well-documented primary objective of signing a striker, a loss compounded by the completion of Andy Carroll’s loan move to West Ham 24 hours previous. Not, to put it lightly, the best 31st August the club has enjoyed.
Such a clumsily concluded window, and one of such recognised importance, will inevitably attract myriad criticism. The question is: who is deserving of that ire and who is not?
Before that issue can be settled, we need to establish what went wrong. There are two main issues of contention here; firstly, that after months of protracted talks, when facing competition from two Premier League rivals, Liverpool managed to undervalue Clint Dempsey by almost half the fee required to sign him; secondly, that the signing of the American was, seemingly, the first and last option available to the club, irrespective of the continually underlined importance of acquiring the signature of a similar calibre of player.
We’ll never know the specific goings on at the club, and for now second, perhaps third, hand briefings will have to do, but with the available information it doesn’t feel like either of the two points made above stray far from the truth.
The greatest problem with the frustrations that have arisen is that we do not specifically know who is responsible for their root causes. If Twitter is to be believed then Ian Ayre is at fault both for the grossly under-thought approach to the Dempsey deal and also the failure to negotiate alternatives. Because this isn’t an available or confirmed fact, I won’t be taking up the opportunity to call for his head on a plate, as so many already have.
But I’m not going to sit here and defend him, either. If you are determined to vent your anger towards somebody at Liverpool Football Club by all means let it be Ayre, just so long as it prevents Brendan Rodgers – the most important figure at Anfield – from getting flak for something that he had nothing to do with.
A brief word on Ayre and Rodgers’s employers first, though. Fenway Sports Group, who for the first time have stamped their oft-discussed stringent financial principles on the club’s transfer budget, will not have come out of this window as well as they might have liked. It would be wrong to prejudge their motives during this period, as some have done, in suggesting that the trimming of the wage and transfer budgets is an indication of their imminent desire to sell-up, but lingering questions about their ability to improve the club in the long run are unlikely to be resolved if non-events such as last night’s repeat themselves.
There is nothing simple about spending money on a football club – too much and you can be saddled with crippling debt, too little and you fall behind the chasing pack – but this was not a complicated transaction; the player was, by all intents and purposes, necessary. Failing to secure the window’s primary transfer objective represents a potentially costly imbalance in this regard, and should he choose to implement the same frugal principles next time around, John W Henry could find January to be a brutal month. More importantly still, he will have to recognise that the patience he affords to his manager this year may have to stretch a little further than he had hoped.
And so we come to the real victim of this transfer window: Brendan Rodgers. Following his comments in the past weeks regarding the absolute need to retain at least three strikers, the Northern Irishman has been made to look something of a fool with the failure to sign Dempsey, Sturridge, or any of the host of names linked with the club. Unfairly, too, many lay the blame at his feet for the shambolic end to what had otherwise been a productive window. This, it would seem, is grossly unfair. If there is an underlying theme to the calamitous closing hours of the window it is a lack of preparation; Rodgers, creator of the 180 page blueprint for success, renowned student of the game and contemporary of Jose Mourinho, should not strike any reasonable fan as a man without a clue.
What seems far more likely is that the alternatives researched and selected by the former Swansea boss were not available for transfer. Though supporters are rightly aggravated by the failure to secure a forward, they must remember that the issue will be of far greater – and more immediate – concern to Rodgers, who now faces four long months with an ominously thin squad. That is the real problem here – not that the club is a ‘laughing stock’ or that ‘things were better under Rafa’, but that in circumstances that already possess enough potential volatility, he has to turn around a squad of players who scored too few goals last year, with even less goal scorers.
So, until January, this is it. Without Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll or Bellamy, Liverpool may well struggle to find the net any more than they did last year, but that isn’t really the point. What we should all know by now is that, however frustrating the window has been, the fans cannnot spend the next four months putting their energy into exclamations of outrage; he might have needed our backing before, but Brendan Rodgers will require it more than ever now. And who knows? Perhaps in four months time we’ll be praising the squad’s resilience and this messy affair will be long forgotten. In the meantime, if you’re not satisfied with Numbers 1-11, do your bit to make sure that the Twelfth Man is as vocal as can be
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
Tes I need to admit I also thought you were female :D

 :D   The female versions tends to have two 's'. You know how women are for changing their minds and needing an alternative. I'm quite satisfied with one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
The decks are pretty much clear (with just one or two notable exceptions) but we did need to replace the mass of crumbling deckchairs with at least some new ones.


I think we have to write this season off completely. Use that as the starting point and our level of expectation, that way there's no disppointments. Negative? Maybe. But with what we've been left with we have to be realistic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 01:38:16 PM
;D ;D

Sound reading http://www.kopsource.com/deadline-day-blunders-leave-rodgers-with-uphill-task/? (http://www.kopsource.com/deadline-day-blunders-leave-rodgers-with-uphill-task/?)

You’ll Never Walk Alone is not an entirely consistent club motto. Ask Tom Hicks or George Gillette; if you fall foul of the fan-base, you’ll be hearing about it. Examples needn’t be as extreme as that though, as Paul Konchesky, Joe Cole and Alberto Aquilani will testify – mediocrity too can have the power to infuriate.
Opinions vary as to quite how poor a Deadline Day Liverpool had, though fans were largely agreed that watching the promise that comes with the transfer window slip away so hopelessly made for uncomfortable viewing. Clint Dempsey’s last minute move to Tottenham Hotspur sealed a nightmare day for the Reds, who failed to achieve their well-documented primary objective of signing a striker, a loss compounded by the completion of Andy Carroll’s loan move to West Ham 24 hours previous. Not, to put it lightly, the best 31st August the club has enjoyed.
Such a clumsily concluded window, and one of such recognised importance, will inevitably attract myriad criticism. The question is: who is deserving of that ire and who is not?
Before that issue can be settled, we need to establish what went wrong. There are two main issues of contention here; firstly, that after months of protracted talks, when facing competition from two Premier League rivals, Liverpool managed to undervalue Clint Dempsey by almost half the fee required to sign him; secondly, that the signing of the American was, seemingly, the first and last option available to the club, irrespective of the continually underlined importance of acquiring the signature of a similar calibre of player.
We’ll never know the specific goings on at the club, and for now second, perhaps third, hand briefings will have to do, but with the available information it doesn’t feel like either of the two points made above stray far from the truth.
The greatest problem with the frustrations that have arisen is that we do not specifically know who is responsible for their root causes. If Twitter is to be believed then Ian Ayre is at fault both for the grossly under-thought approach to the Dempsey deal and also the failure to negotiate alternatives. Because this isn’t an available or confirmed fact, I won’t be taking up the opportunity to call for his head on a plate, as so many already have.
But I’m not going to sit here and defend him, either. If you are determined to vent your anger towards somebody at Liverpool Football Club by all means let it be Ayre, just so long as it prevents Brendan Rodgers – the most important figure at Anfield – from getting flak for something that he had nothing to do with.
A brief word on Ayre and Rodgers’s employers first, though. Fenway Sports Group, who for the first time have stamped their oft-discussed stringent financial principles on the club’s transfer budget, will not have come out of this window as well as they might have liked. It would be wrong to prejudge their motives during this period, as some have done, in suggesting that the trimming of the wage and transfer budgets is an indication of their imminent desire to sell-up, but lingering questions about their ability to improve the club in the long run are unlikely to be resolved if non-events such as last night’s repeat themselves.
There is nothing simple about spending money on a football club – too much and you can be saddled with crippling debt, too little and you fall behind the chasing pack – but this was not a complicated transaction; the player was, by all intents and purposes, necessary. Failing to secure the window’s primary transfer objective represents a potentially costly imbalance in this regard, and should he choose to implement the same frugal principles next time around, John W Henry could find January to be a brutal month. More importantly still, he will have to recognise that the patience he affords to his manager this year may have to stretch a little further than he had hoped.
And so we come to the real victim of this transfer window: Brendan Rodgers. Following his comments in the past weeks regarding the absolute need to retain at least three strikers, the Northern Irishman has been made to look something of a fool with the failure to sign Dempsey, Sturridge, or any of the host of names linked with the club. Unfairly, too, many lay the blame at his feet for the shambolic end to what had otherwise been a productive window. This, it would seem, is grossly unfair. If there is an underlying theme to the calamitous closing hours of the window it is a lack of preparation; Rodgers, creator of the 180 page blueprint for success, renowned student of the game and contemporary of Jose Mourinho, should not strike any reasonable fan as a man without a clue.
What seems far more likely is that the alternatives researched and selected by the former Swansea boss were not available for transfer. Though supporters are rightly aggravated by the failure to secure a forward, they must remember that the issue will be of far greater – and more immediate – concern to Rodgers, who now faces four long months with an ominously thin squad. That is the real problem here – not that the club is a ‘laughing stock’ or that ‘things were better under Rafa’, but that in circumstances that already possess enough potential volatility, he has to turn around a squad of players who scored too few goals last year, with even less goal scorers.
So, until January, this is it. Without Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll or Bellamy, Liverpool may well struggle to find the net any more than they did last year, but that isn’t really the point. What we should all know by now is that, however frustrating the window has been, the fans cannnot spend the next four months putting their energy into exclamations of outrage; he might have needed our backing before, but Brendan Rodgers will require it more than ever now. And who knows? Perhaps in four months time we’ll be praising the squad’s resilience and this messy affair will be long forgotten. In the meantime, if you’re not satisfied with Numbers 1-11, do your bit to make sure that the Twelfth Man is as vocal as can be

Sums up the whole mess nicely.

Tomorrows game at Arsenal now seems absolutely enormous. Win and it may give way to optimism amongst the fans leading most to forget about the farce of a transfer window of outgoings.  Lose at home to the Gunners though and Id really fear for our season. The anti owner sentiment will be at its strongest since Hicks and Gillett left and we will be playing serious catch up in the league. Who we will be trying to catch is the worrying thing though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 01:43:03 PM
I wonder how Henderson will react to the fact that Rodgers tried to swap him for Dempsey.

Like if reports are to be trusted we offered cash and Henderson for Dempsey. Not only does that tell Henderson hes not wanted it also tells him that Rodgers rates him pretty lowly if hes prepared to offer him and money. So in one season hes gone from being a 15-20 million pound player on paper to being worth 2-5 million. The worrying thing is that Henderson doesnt exactly strike me as a player who will take a knock back like that on the chin and come out stronger at the other end from it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
to be honest, I am not surprised that Fulham asked for one million quid more from us, than they asked from any other club.

I think the way we go about our business is nasty and hateful.

we clearly unsettled Dempsey (and how would that happen, unless via the club approaching the lad).  We have been playing a nasty clandestine game and ended up getting badly burnt. 

I do not blame Fulham at all.  I would have done the same with such a nasty buyer, who was deliberately unsettling my player.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
A small collection of Rodgers' recent quotes:

"Newcastle got £35 million for this player last year. To even consider wanting to take him on loan is a liberty really. I need a minimum of three strikers. Once the window shuts, that is it until January. I have got Luis Suarez, Fabio Borini and Andy Carroll. I would need to be a nutcase to even consider at this moment to let Andy Carroll go."

“It is all speculation. I would be here all night if I was to answer questions on speculation, but we have got a very small squad as it is.

“We have lost a lot of players this summer and I hope we will be able to bring some in. I had a target list of players I wanted.

“The club is working very hard behind the scenes to manage that process to allow us to get some players in, but in terms of depth, it’s nowhere near where I would want it to be.

“I can’t wave a magic wand to bring players in and get players out.

“There is still a wee bit of time left and hopefully come the end of August we will be ready to go on with the group that we want.”



Hand on heart, doesn't anyone actually think Rodgers got what he was looking for or had identified what was required?
The squad may have had numbers, but was lacking throughout in quality. We've shifted some who were simply not up to the required standard. Wages no longer wasted on them, great.
Some though appear to have been jetisoned for purely financial reasons. We're short on numbers and quality.
In midfield, Spearing and Adam replaced by Allenso and Sahin, but in attack Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll replaced by Borini and Yesil (who we may or not see this season), with Sterling and Morgan looking like they've been promoted. So whilst numbers seem to remain the same, it's hard not to feel that the quality has somehow not been reduced and certainly if not the quality, then certainly the level of experience, and the unique attributes experience brings have definately been removed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 05:17:59 PM
The club have let Rodgers down Tes. The owners and Ayre have to take the brunt of the blame. This summer has been a shambles, letting technically good players go but not replacing them. Bellamy, Kuyt and Maxi. Three technically good players probably with the ability to adjust to Rodgers system more than most. If your getting rid of all 3 then you have to get replacements in for at least 2 of them. And thats not counting the other players we offloaded.

Rodgers has to take a small amount of blame also. He played a risky game letting players go without having replacements lined up. Chelsea for all their spending didnt let Sturridge go without getting someone in and in the end he stayed at the Bridge.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 05:21:40 PM
Heres an interesting one. Its looking like Drogba and Anelka will be released by the Chinese side.

Would you take either on a one year deal if we could swing it?

Id have Drogba in the team in a heartbeat. I dont think he would come though. After that I would probably take Anelka in there too if we couldnt get Drogba, that may be more realistic a move for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 05:29:15 PM
Rodgers has to take a small amount of blame also. He played a risky game letting players go without having replacements lined up. Chelsea for all their spending didnt let Sturridge go without getting someone in and in the end he stayed at the Bridge.

rodgers words, naivety and immaturity are now coming back to haunt him.

if he was to lose carroll, it had to be in the final hours before the window closed, with it not being signed off, til he had a replacement coming in.

but rodgers alienated carroll......and he kept telling the world how great the senior mgt were and how hard they were working behind the scenes to get people in.

when you talk too much, the future has a habit of biting you on the ar.se
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 05:40:01 PM
rodgers words, naivety and immaturity are now coming back to haunt him.

if he was to lose carroll, it had to be in the final hours before the window closed, with it not being signed off, til he had a replacement coming in.

Agreed Dude. Carrolls transfer should have been dependent on a striker being signed first. At least that way we may have kept an unhappy player but at least we would still have a player with something to prove and with plenty of competitions to prove it in.

Aside from letting Carroll go the club had let Pacheco go aswell only for his loan deal to fall through. Rodgers clearly doesnt fancy the lad and for his own career I hope he leaves but to be getting rid of another forward without having a replacement lined up is amateurish to say the least.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 05:44:02 PM
rodgers words, naivety and immaturity are now coming back to haunt him.

if he was to lose carroll, it had to be in the final hours before the window closed, with it not being signed off, til he had a replacement coming in.

but rodgers alienated carroll......and he kept telling the world how great the senior mgt were and how hard they were working behind the scenes to get people in.

when you talk too much, the future has a habit of biting you on the ar.se
We said all along for him to keep it shut.

He rejected a DoF because he needed a direct line to the owners.

Went way over the top in his efforts to oust Carroll.

I agree this is naivety on his part.

That's the past. Move forward a bit and it's also given the media a nice little story if
Carroll flourishes at the Hammers and goals don't flow freely at our end 'til the window
reopens. That's pressure he created for himself as a result of his own poor judgement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 05:53:01 PM
I wonder how Henderson will react to the fact that Rodgers tried to swap him for Dempsey.

Like if reports are to be trusted we offered cash and Henderson for Dempsey. Not only does that tell Henderson hes not wanted it also tells him that Rodgers rates him pretty lowly if hes prepared to offer him and money. So in one season hes gone from being a 15-20 million pound player on paper to being worth 2-5 million. The worrying thing is that Henderson doesnt exactly strike me as a player who will take a knock back like that on the chin and come out stronger at the other end from it.
Crazy, he came in spouting on about the weight of the shirt. Unless I'm mistaken Spearing, Adam,
Carroll, Downing & Henderson are all players to whom that could be applied (based on last season).

Coming toward the end of the window his solution seems to have been to convert Downing to a
left back and bin the rest of them! Wow, that sure gets the weight of wearing the Liverpool jersey
off them  :)

What a bullsh*tter!

I like Henderson and was looking forward to how he was going to improve this season. Real kick in
the teeth for him! (I'm sure the jersey will feel heavier now!).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 01, 2012, 05:54:49 PM
Martin, it was actually quite funny. Just one thing. I do understand the offside rule.  :D
Jesus Tes, I never doubted you were a bloke!  :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 06:26:35 PM
Apparently its official Drogbas a free agent.

Sign him up.

Phil Thompson thinks the same;

Phil Thompson ‏@Phil_Thompson4

Come on LFC go for Drogba ,free agent


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 01, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Just reading on twitter Drogba hasnt been released, its rubbish.

Ah well I thought there might have been some hope to sign a decent striker there.  :(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 06:44:27 PM
Agreed Dude. Carrolls transfer should have been dependent on a striker being signed first........to be getting rid of another forward without having a replacement lined up is amateurish to say the least.

rank amateurism.  Let's be clear, one would be peeved off if this type of thing happened at a Sunday League pub side.   But to happen at a top side, with hundreds of millions of resources, is mouth-droppingly surprising.

rodgers has been telling us how much great work was going on behind the scenes.....if that is his definition of good work......I'd hate to see a bad transfer window.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 06:47:12 PM
I agree this is naivety on his part.

Move forward a bit and it's also given the media a nice little story if
Carroll flourishes at the Hammers and goals don't flow freely at our end 'til the window
reopens. That's pressure he created for himself as a result of his own poor judgement.

yes, the bloke talks way too much and forever blows his own trumpet.

now the media, in the months to come, will begin to bury him.  He has given them all the rope they need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 07:00:04 PM
Exactly, dude...and Tes' revelation of FSG selling off the Boston Red sox players adds to the intrigue...
we are now owned by people who can't even stump up 7 mil for a player...
who want players off the books like carroll, aquilani, kuyt, maxi and bellamy first and foremost despite it leaves us in a dire state where it matters most...
who have done nothing about the stadium apart from go for the cheap option...

FSG are obviously in trouble financially...and all that 'we'll fork out for any player that is needed' milarky has long seemed hollow...

Methinks they're thinking that if they can get top five on nowt on their wage structure they can then sell on for a nice profit.

all you can say is that for rodgers it comes in a shape of 'reap what you sow'...he's been slagging carroll off since he's been here and got his just rewards...

part of the football so far has been encouraging...but treatment of players, keeping his mouth shut and realising that he's not the big 'i am' has been to our detriment......

come Xmas we'll know for sure if Rodgers is upto the job...

totally agree, barticus.

I finally caught FSG on earlier this summer.  All their wage-cutting, and downsizing, plus no genuine work on redeveloping Anfield, suggested to me, that these people had no knowledge, interest or motivation to help the club make progress.  It suggested they were going to fatten the club for market.

And my thinking has now moved on to speculate that Rafa was never even considered, because the yanks knew he was a shroud political animal, who would have created hell when he saw what FSG were doing.

thus they appointed a young naive immature bloke.....who would be easy to control and spin yarns to.

and they would spin the yarn to the fans that they were planning for the future, with such a young appointment.

maybe our owners are not acting as naively as we might believe.....maybe rodgers appointment happened for very different reasons, than the ones we imagined.

but like you, I have to believe that the yanks are preparing to sell the club in the short to medium term.

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 07:02:32 PM
Jesus Tes, I never doubted you were a bloke!  :)

 ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
totally agree, barticus.

I finally caught FSG on earlier this summer.  All their wage-cutting, and downsizing, plus no genuine work on redeveloping Anfield, suggested to me, that these people had no knowledge, interest or motivation to help the club make progress.  It suggested they were going to fatten the club for market.

And my thinking has now moved on to speculate that Rafa was never even considered, because the yanks knew he was a shroud political animal, who would have created hell when he saw what FSG were doing.

thus they appointed a young naive immature bloke.....who would be easy to control and spin yarns to.

and they would spin the yarn to the fans that they were planning for the future, with such a young appointment.

maybe our owners are not acting as naively as we might believe.....maybe rodgers appointment happened for very different reasons, than the ones we imagined.

but like you, I have to believe that the yanks are preparing to sell the club in the short to medium term.

At absolute best it's all down to rank inexperience, but that still doesn't qualify as a 'reason'. As the owners know (better than anyone else) that they lack any knowledge and whilst they might build factual knowledge, it will take many years to get 'a feel' for the entirety of English and European football.
So as they are aware of their deficiencies they 'had' to appoint a structure 'at' the club, not part in Liverpool and the other part in Boston, that made up entirely for their problems and improve on the time from Moores taking over to them taking over, in order to move us forwards and start the process of making up ground.
We're not even on a par with the Moores' era. All the new deals and revenue are just filling the void left by the lack of CL income, but some of those are at levels that won't be repeated next time, so even more revenue will be required just to stand still.
So an improvement on the revenue from marketing ourselves but the football side, the thing the business is built upon is a mess. Appointing Dalglish for all the wrong reasons has been a cock up of epic proportions. Forget the legend aspect, put that aside as you would expect hard headed business men to do and look at his track record, his suitability and the one glaring fact that he essentially was retired. He hadn't been near a dug out in a decade and his last two football appointments before hanging up his tracksuit and heading for the golf course had been a disaster.
In the equivalent situation, newly owning a baseball team, I wouldn't make that appointment as my knowledge of baseball wouldn't allow me to know if you could walk back into baseball after such a long hiatus and be able to slot straight back in effortlessly. And that's just in theory. That's not even in a real world situation.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 07:32:29 PM
it all starts to make perfect sense, Tes, if one considers the possibility that FSG, from the outset, never intended to hold onto Liverpool FC for very long.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 07:46:32 PM
it all starts to make perfect sense, Tes, if one considers the possibility that FSG, from the outset, never intended to hold onto Liverpool FC for very long.

The way things have/are going certainly 'appears' to suggest that's the process being applied. My belief in the owners has never been at a lower ebb.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 07:51:43 PM
The way things have/are going certainly 'appears' to suggest that's the process being applied. My belief in the owners has never been at a lower ebb.

same here.

the club has finally been ruined.  It has been gutted, like a fish.

if this season pans out the way I imagine it to, we are going to see major fan protests by the end of the season.

one cannot gut a club, like they have been doing, and continue to challenge for trophies.  We are now a top 8 side, at best......more like mid table.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2012, 09:43:49 PM
same here.

the club has finally been ruined.  It has been gutted, like a fish.

if this season pans out the way I imagine it to, we are going to see major fan protests by the end of the season.

one cannot gut a club, like they have been doing, and continue to challenge for trophies.  We are now a top 8 side, at best......more like mid table.

It used to be the title we aimed for, then the top four, now it feels like a challenge for a European place is the height of the club's ambition. And that's if all goes to plan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 01, 2012, 10:02:05 PM
It used to be the title we aimed for, then the top four, now it feels like a challenge for a European place is the height of the club's ambition. And that's if all goes to plan.

yes.

we have been continually downgrading our expectations since Moores sold up some 5 years ago.

the Rafa era feels like one golden summer in the midst of a sea of sh.ite

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 02, 2012, 11:35:10 PM
No matter how desperate our situation is last thing I want to see us doing is making Owen feel like is coming to the rescue by signing him up on a free.

The guy in an injury prone mercenary who doesnt deserve another chance at this club. I refuse to support him if he re-signs for the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2012, 03:01:55 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9517255/Liverpool-webchat-with-Chris-Bascombe.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9517255/Liverpool-webchat-with-Chris-Bascombe.html)

from today's Liverpool WebChat.

Comment From Steve B 
Surely the scouting staff are called into question over the failure to find value-for-money and re-sale potential in a striker. Dempsey and Sturridge could have been picked by any fan. As could Downing, Carroll and Adam before them. Where is the specialist knowledge? Everton have pulled this achievement off twice recently, getting two mid-20s internationals in for roughly £5m each. It seems that LFC are way behind in this crucial area of football expertise. Do you think that this needs to be urgently addressed?
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Chris Bascombe replies: "I've been saying this issue has need addressing for over 20 years. There should be far more transparency over how and why players are bought. Under successive Liverpool managers, I've seen certain agents and agencies favoured, numerous players arriving with the same representatives and every new manager coming in absolutely slaughtering the recruitment process of his predecessor. We go around in circles at Liverpool FC. I've said it before and it needs repeating. Liverpool have not won the league for two decades for one reason and one reason alone. They've wasted the money they have on poor signings. FSG are trying to learn from this but they've not covered themselves in glory so far."


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2012, 03:03:48 PM
that is a very very interesting insight from Chris Bascombe.

might help explain some of our limited recruiting procedures (I am being deliberately careful with my words).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 03, 2012, 06:09:06 PM
or simply put - a lack of continuity - rip it up and start again - it's only use is to be a song title.

Rodgers has tried to change too much, too quickly. Evolve.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
or simply put - a lack of continuity - rip it up and start again - it's only use is to be a song title.

Rodgers has tried to change too much, too quickly. Evolve.

yes, constant change is the road to ruin.

when we dominated football, there was a distinct lack of major change occurring.  Instead we evolved slowly. 

It really is quite simple.  You select a top manager, and you give him the time and the resources to do the job.

Sadly we have not got top people, at any level, in the club. 

Thus we have this continous process of finger-pointing, public statements, scapegoats, sackings, woeful decision making, and constant change.   And this madness takes the club lower down the league and is a massive drain on our finances.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 03, 2012, 06:32:24 PM
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/scraping-barrell-which-of-these-28-free.html (http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/scraping-barrell-which-of-these-28-free.html)

28 free agents (strikers)

looking like Marcus Bent might be the best of the worst.

do we think the unthinkable.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 03, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/scraping-barrell-which-of-these-28-free.html (http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/scraping-barrell-which-of-these-28-free.html)

28 free agents (strikers)

looking like Marcus Bent might be the best of the worst.

do we think the unthinkable.

It has to be Carlo Costly.  :D  "Just another mercenary Johnny Foreigner".  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on September 03, 2012, 08:51:39 PM
rip it up and start again - it's only use is to be a song title.
Reckon Brenny's an Elvis fan !
(didn't he do that thing with all the Swansea fans dressing up as him?)

Anyway, Here's "Rip it Up"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZPpd8-pbm4

Henry, more of a Muse fan (with the Gothy girlfriend half his age!)

"Let's start over again
Why can't we start it over again
Just let us start it over again
And we'll be good
This time we'll get it, get it right
It's our last chance to forgive ourselves"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsi_Cy119kg

Must be playing on repeat in his office ROFL (Sorry, I couldn't resist  :) )

Feck, we probably need to get behind both the owners and the manger,
we're only hurting ourselves!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
If true this doesnt make good reading for the harmony of the squad. It also shows Rodgers desperation to sign Clint.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2198396/Brendan-Rodgers-tried-swap-Stewart-Downing-Jose-Enrique-Jordan-Henderson-Clint-Dempsey.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DNeil%2BMoxley
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 04, 2012, 11:38:31 PM
If true this doesnt make good reading for the harmony of the squad. It also shows Rodgers desperation to sign Clint.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2198396/Brendan-Rodgers-tried-swap-Stewart-Downing-Jose-Enrique-Jordan-Henderson-Clint-Dempsey.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DNeil%2BMoxley

Given the lack of cash available, signing a player that can comfortably play two or three positions offered an increased level of flexibility.
Hopefully the players involved have had their card marked and respond in the right way. If not, it really is bad news, given they can't easily be 'rested' as the numbers don't allow it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Juan on September 04, 2012, 11:57:34 PM
Given the lack of cash available, signing a player that can comfortably play two or three positions offered an increased level of flexibility.
Hopefully the players involved have had their card marked and respond in the right way. If not, it really is bad news, given they can't easily be 'rested' as the numbers don't allow it.

Agreed Tes nows not the time to sulk.

According to one of Rory Smiths liverpool supporting sources in Australia, Daniel Carb, who seems to work for fox sport australia, liverpool have bid for del pierro and hope to scupper the sydney move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 05, 2012, 12:41:33 AM
According to one of Rory Smiths liverpool supporting sources in Australia, Daniel Carb, who seems to work for fox sport australia, liverpool have bid for del pierro and hope to scupper the sydney move.

But isn't that one of the expensive short term fixes Henry alluded to that they are trying to avoid. There really isn't any free agents (and most of them are for a reason) who is good enough. However little we pay them we are still overpaying.

Swansea got Michu for £2m, Everton Meirelles for £5.3M, we got Borini for a lot more than that and then play him out of position.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 05, 2012, 01:37:01 PM
was reading overnight that we are in for Del Piero, the ex Juventus bloke.

he is only 37 years old.

this is how far we have sunk, as a club.

why not see if Kevin Keegan is available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on September 05, 2012, 02:45:39 PM
was reading overnight that we are in for Del Piero, the ex Juventus bloke.

he is only 37 years old.

this is how far we have sunk, as a club.

why not see if Kevin Keegan is available.

it could have been worse though dude...it could have been owen...i will always look at stoke in a different light...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 05, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
it could have been worse though dude...it could have been owen...i will always look at stoke in a different light...

true, barticus.

been reading these past few days, that stoke are gonna pay him 1.5 million quid a year....30 grand a week for a lad way past his best, who will mostly be injured or on the bench.

bloddy ell, and people wonder why the game is in a financial mess.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 05, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
true, barticus.

been reading these past few days, that stoke are gonna pay him 1.5 million quid a year....30 grand a week for a lad way past his best, who will mostly be injured or on the bench.

bloddy ell, and people wonder why the game is in a financial mess.

I had Peter Coates down as more savvy than that. Pay as you play. If you want to play and you want an income from football still, you accept. He can't expect to get a 'proper' contract as he doesn't offer the return any more.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 05, 2012, 10:02:01 PM
I had Peter Coates down as more savvy than that. Pay as you play. If you want to play and you want an income from football still, you accept. He can't expect to get a 'proper' contract as he doesn't offer the return any more.

yes, pay as you play would be the way to go.

I hope the media have it wrong and that is how Stoke are playing it with Owen.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 06, 2012, 01:05:15 PM
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/09/06/1226466/090169-del-piero.jpg)

Alessandro Del Piero is set to confirm his move to Australian club Sydney FC this lunchtime, despite reported interest from Liverpool.

The 37-year-old former Juventus striker is due to hold a press conference in Turin at 12.30BST when it is expected he will confirm he has joined the A-League side.

Del Piero’s move to Sydney hit the headlines last week, however, completion of the deal has been delayed after Liverpool and Barclays Premier League rivals Southampton both reportedly made late offers.

Reds boss Brendan Rodgers last week admitted his frustration at failing to bring in a replacement for Andy Carroll after the striker was loaned to West Ham before Friday’s transfer deadline.

With Del Piero still available as a free agent Sydney chief executive Tony Pignata this morning claimed that Liverpool had made a late attempt to hijack the deal.

But even though negotiations continued on into today Del Piero has now seemingly been convinced to move Down Under.

“Liverpool have come in - and they’re a big club, there’s no denying that,” Pignata told Fox Sports Australia.

“But I think the attraction of Australia might sway us.

“We’re all anxious. I’m sure there’s a lot of fans out there hanging on to get a decision. We’ve just got to be patient. We’ve only been in these negotiations for a week and sometimes these sort of negotiations take longer.

“We’ll know soon one way or the other.”

In addition to Liverpool and Southampton, Sydney also have reportedly also fended off interest from Champions League clubs Celtic and Braga as well as Swiss side Sion.

Del Piero, who turns 38 in November, made 91 appearances for Italy and is the all-time leading goalscorer for Juventus.

He will join a list of former stars to have joined the A-League late into their career that includes the likes of Robbie Fowler, Romario, Juninho and Dwight Yorke.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on September 06, 2012, 01:26:43 PM
(http://www.topnewstoday.org/i5/6/76/43/img_3143766_620.jpg)

Fulham are pursuing a complaint against Premier League rivals Liverpool over the chase for American midfielder Clint Dempsey this summer.

Dempsey was dropped from the Fulham squad after making clear his desire to leave this summer, with Liverpool the front-runners for his signature.

However, in the last moments of last Friday's (August 31) transfer window, Tottenham Hotspur signed the player instead, after Liverpool and Fulham failed to agree a fee.

The Cottagers reportedly demanded £1 million (€1.2 million/$1.6 million) more from Liverpool than other potential suitors, possibly because of the way in which the Merseysiders pursued the midfielder.

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers admitted making an enquiry for the player during the summer, while at one point the the club's owner, the Fenway Sports Group, published a story on its website saying the player had signed from Fulham.

That story was removed after appearing online for several hours.

The Premier League has confirmed it has received a complaint from Fulham "regarding comments made by Liverpool FC officials" and that it is "looking into the matter".

As a result of the summer-long saga, Dempsey did not feature in either of Fulham's opening two games of the new season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 06, 2012, 01:48:25 PM
We did indeed make an enquiry and were quoted a price we didn't fancy, as will have happened a few times to us during the Summer and probably to every club in the PL.
Dempsey was either told or found out about the enquiry and it was his choice to act the way he did.

Rodgers did confirm we'd made an enquiry and  that is all. Every club will make numerous enquiries without ever taking the initial enquiry further.

I imagine the only possible problem will be the fools at NESN reporting we'd signed him. Americans and anything to do with football is like oil and water in most cases.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 10, 2012, 02:11:31 PM
The King may have gone but we've acquired a Prince:


Football Prince Emin Altunsay joins Liverpool FC

Emin Altunay, the winner of this years Turkish reality programme, Futbol Prensi (Football Prince) was given a heroes send-off in his home town Hatay is Southern Turkey.

The show was setup to give one 14-16 year old prospect a once in a lifetime opportunity to join the Liverpool FC academy, train with the club for a year, receive an education and have the possibility of making his stay permanent.

The show was broadcast on state TV channel, TRT, thousands of young players from fifteen regions of Turkey participated in the competition for a place in the final.

Hatay locals gathered with traditional Turkish Drums and Zurna instruments to celebrate their local prospect's journey to Liverpool.

Altunay's father Semir Altunay said, "My son has always been crazy about football, when he was a young boy he would make footballs from newspaper's and play with them.

"I'm confident Emin will do well at Liverpool, I believe in him. He will get a proper footballing education and hopefully make his stay at the club permanent."

Altunay said, "I've been playing football since I was four years old. I've always wanted to play football, I want to thank everyone who has given me this opportunity, I won't let them down."

The 16-year-old Hatayspor youth player will join Liverpool on a season long trial, the Reds have the option to keep him on after this period.

Altunay has become the third Turkish player to join the Liverpool ranks this season, following summer signings Nuri Şahin and Samed Yeşil.


http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=3492 (http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=3492)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on September 17, 2012, 12:01:05 AM
(http://e2.365dm.com/12/09/660x350/Michael-Owen-pa2_2824042.jpg)

"Ah sh!t. What's that round thing flying towards me. I can't move out of it's way as my legs will break."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on October 04, 2012, 08:25:17 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2212460/Manchester-United-spend-big-land-Thomas-Ince-warns-Ian-Holloway.html

It's interesting to notice how well Thomas Ince is doing lately. It's a pity he didn't stick around because you could see him getting quite a few chances to play nowadays...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 04, 2012, 11:41:19 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2212460/Manchester-United-spend-big-land-Thomas-Ince-warns-Ian-Holloway.html

It's interesting to notice how well Thomas Ince is doing lately. It's a pity he didn't stick around because you could see him getting quite a few chances to play nowadays...

The problem was (both him and his Dad) apparently wanted guarantees about getting chances in the first team and he wanted wage parity with the likes of Martin Kelly despite not having made a first team appearance or even getting on the bench, or being taken away with the first team squad (to gain experience). Therefore he wouldn't sign the contract offered (or at least what was being discussed).
Unfortunately we didn't get some sort of 'buy back' arrangement or sell on clause when he went to Blackpool. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on October 05, 2012, 05:13:19 PM
Sterling is better than Ince so I have no regrets.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 05, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
Sterling is better than Ince so I have no regrets.

And there is that too. Also 'the name' makes him more noticeable too, more than most youngsters of his (in)experience. He could come good but we only need a certain number of players of that type.

Talking of 'wide' players, I thought Assaidi was disappointing overall last night and non-existant in the second half before his substitution.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on October 05, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
Yes Assaidi's final delivery and decision making can be much better. We need to use Borini's excellent movement much more. As he is making runs but with Assaidi he doesn't know when the ball will be crossed into the box.

Assaidi is young and hopefully will improve that side of his game and decision making will improve with experience. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2012, 01:06:49 AM
Yes Assaidi's final delivery and decision making can be much better. We need to use Borini's excellent movement much more. As he is making runs but with Assaidi he doesn't know when the ball will be crossed into the box.

Assaidi is young and hopefully will improve that side of his game and decision making will improve with experience. Hopefully.

He's another that needs to learn when to hold onto it and when to move it quickly. You can see the potential for Assaidi and Borini to combine well and even interchange.

Borini's space creation needs to be utilised by a midfielder or two coming from deep into the space created and onto the end of a ball slipped in or a cross/pass from a wider source.