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Title: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on October 09, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
I had this player in mind a while back:

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/10/08/liverpool-target-ajax-youngster-as-long-term-steven-gerrard-replacement/
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 09, 2012, 12:53:14 AM
Unless John Henry gets p!shed and dresses up as Santa at the Christmas Party, we've nooooooo chance of affording him. He's been earmarked for Milan (I think it is, it's been so long since I first read it) for a long time.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 22, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
With the post match interview Dzeko did stating he didn't want to be a 'supersub' and that he simply wanted to play, also with City being heavily linked with Falcao, I wonder if there would be any chance of us getting Dzeko.

City have bedded him in to the PL and seems to have acclimatised now and has been scoring for a while, whenever he gets a chance. He's certainly not a 'big man up front' but would give us an extra edge from set pieces as well as his ability to score from open play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on October 22, 2012, 04:15:47 PM
hadn't thought of Dzeko.  That is a good call.

I wonder what type of money he'd cost.

good age (26) and great scoring record.

though I do note from his career stats, that he only ever seems to play 20 something games per season......does he have recurrent injury woes, I wonder?


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on October 22, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
Seeing as we have about £8m to play with our options are limited. Heard we may be interested in Gary Hooper.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 22, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
Seeing as we have about £8m to play with our options are limited. Heard we may be interested in Gary Hooper.

Hooper's the latest one doing the rounds. Not sure about him. Scunthorpe to Celtic (Scottish PL) to Liverpool. Big jumps each time.

Any news on us looking at Son Heung-Min of Hamburg?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on October 22, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
Hooper's the latest one doing the rounds. Not sure about him. Scunthorpe to Celtic (Scottish PL) to Liverpool. Big jumps each time.

Any news on us looking at Son Heung-Min of Hamburg?

You know as much as I do! which is not a lot :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 22, 2012, 09:09:38 PM
hadn't thought of Dzeko.  That is a good call.

I wonder what type of money he'd cost.

good age (26) and great scoring record.

though I do note from his career stats, that he only ever seems to play 20 something games per season......does he have recurrent injury woes, I wonder?

I'd guess at least £15M. I think City paid around £27M in Jan '11.

I'd rather us do nothing and look at Yesil than 'gamble' £8M-£10M. Save it and look again in the Summer.
If City get Falcao, now or in the Summer Dzeko price would fall, unless they offer him up in p/x for Falcao.

According to: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/edin-dzeko/profil/spieler_28396.html (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/edin-dzeko/profil/spieler_28396.html) has doesn't seem to have had many, but he did play his earlier career in midfield and wasn't really rated. With changing position late in his early career, it could be that he's a late developer.

Better appearance stats: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/102337/edin-dzeko?cc=5739# (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/102337/edin-dzeko?cc=5739#)

Apart from City, for obvious reasons, he has a decent appearance record. He may be just be a 'marmite player' where managers are concerned.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 22, 2012, 09:17:05 PM
Seen Adebeyor suggested a few times. I'd rather play Péter Gulácsi up front than have Adebeyor at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 23, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
Talksport linking us to Real Mallorca's striker Tomer Hemed:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/121023/la-liga-hitman-who-could-solve-liverpools-striker-crisis-%E2%80%93-talksport-tra-183661 (http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/121023/la-liga-hitman-who-could-solve-liverpools-striker-crisis-%E2%80%93-talksport-tra-183661)

Daily Star has us interested in Klaas-Jan Huntelaar:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/278440/Liverpool-to-launch-January-raid-for-unsettled-Schalke-star-Klaas-Jan-Huntelaar/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/278440/Liverpool-to-launch-January-raid-for-unsettled-Schalke-star-Klaas-Jan-Huntelaar/)

The Mail says Theo Walcott:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2221848/Manchester-City-Liverpool-worry-Theo-Walcott-Juventus-enter-bids.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2221848/Manchester-City-Liverpool-worry-Theo-Walcott-Juventus-enter-bids.html)

And one who won't be coming back:

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/andy-carroll-says-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-did-not-give-him-fair-chance-102312 (http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/andy-carroll-says-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-did-not-give-him-fair-chance-102312)

It's all over the net.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on October 23, 2012, 03:43:50 PM
I'd guess at least £15M. I think City paid around £27M in Jan '11.

I'd rather us do nothing and look at Yesil than 'gamble' £8M-£10M. Save it and look again in the Summer.
If City get Falcao, now or in the Summer Dzeko price would fall, unless they offer him up in p/x for Falcao.

According to: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/edin-dzeko/profil/spieler_28396.html (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/edin-dzeko/profil/spieler_28396.html) has doesn't seem to have had many, but he did play his earlier career in midfield and wasn't really rated. With changing position late in his early career, it could be that he's a late developer.

Better appearance stats: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/102337/edin-dzeko?cc=5739# (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/102337/edin-dzeko?cc=5739#)

Apart from City, for obvious reasons, he has a decent appearance record. He may be just be a 'marmite player' where managers are concerned.

yes, he might be.

I like the fact that he tends to score in big games.  So he is a mentally strong type.

As you say, if other cards fall correctly, he may be available at  the right price.

Re stories today.  I really do hope we ignore Walcott.  These types of transfers rarely ever work out.  We do not want a football mercenary.  Cole is one too many.

Unsure what to make of Huntelaar.  Data looks good.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 23, 2012, 07:57:34 PM
yes, he might be.

I like the fact that he tends to score in big games.  So he is a mentally strong type.

As you say, if other cards fall correctly, he may be available at  the right price.

Re stories today.  I really do hope we ignore Walcott.  These types of transfers rarely ever work out.  We do not want a football mercenary.  Cole is one too many.

Unsure what to make of Huntelaar.  Data looks good.

Not sure about Huntelaar. Whilst he does score goals, very much a penalty box only player, he makes Carra look like Thierry Henry on the pace front, but failed at both Milan and Real, so you'd have to wonder about his mentality.

Walcott has the potential but seems to lack game intelligence. He could do OK as a central striker as his finishing can be good but he's more likely to depend on pace than clever movement. He'd work in a counter attacking team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on October 23, 2012, 08:09:39 PM
Not sure about Huntelaar. Whilst he does score goals, very much a penalty box only player, he makes Carra look like Thierry Henry on the pace front, but failed at both Milan and Real, so you'd have to wonder about his mentality.

Walcott has the potential but seems to lack game intelligence. He could do OK as a central striker as his finishing can be good but he's more likely to depend on pace than clever movement. He'd work in a counter attacking team.

ah, I hadn't realised Hunter was slow.  Good call.  I did suspect mentality was an issue, given how many times big clubs in England have looked at him and overlooked him.

I can imagine Rodgers going for Walcott.  As you say, good for counter-attacking. 

I wish we had a 2012 version of Peter Beardsley, to give deliciously weighted precision passes to our forwards. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 23, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
I wish we had a 2012 version of Peter Beardsley, to give deliciously weighted precision passes to our forwards.

And a modern day Rushie to actually get the ball between those pesky posts.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on October 23, 2012, 08:18:39 PM
And a modern day Rushie to actually get the ball between those pesky posts.

wheeeeeeeee!!!!

was a delicious era......beardlsey laying on delicious passes, as rush ran across and behind defenders.

oh for such movement again, and for such quality personnel.

great TEAM play.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 23, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
You know as much as I do! which is not a lot :D

Wow. I wasn't aware I knew that much.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on October 23, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
Not sure about Huntelaar. Whilst he does score goals, very much a penalty box only player, he makes Carra look like Thierry Henry on the pace front, but failed at both Milan and Real, so you'd have to wonder about his mentality.

That is exactly what we need. We have Suarez and Borini who do everything else but score on a regular basis. What we lack is a penalty box only player. Someone who is in the box able to receive passes from the likes of Suarez.

I think you can't judge his time at Real as he was only there half a season and Real didn't choose him for their CL campaign opting for Lass (remember against us). At Milan he only had one season. He scored 7 goals in 25 games and considering it takes a year for any player to adjust to a different country and league then you'd have to take that into consideration.

Plus his international goal scoring record is excelllent. So I don't think we'd have to wonder about his mentality.

I also wouldn't mind Walcott. I do believe Rodgers can improve him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 23, 2012, 10:56:41 PM
That is exactly what we need. We have Suarez and Borini who do everything else but score on a regular basis. What we lack is a penalty box only player. Someone who is in the box able to receive passes from the likes of Suarez.

I think you can't judge his time at Real as he was only there half a season and Real didn't choose him for their CL campaign opting for Lass (remember against us). At Milan he only had one season. He scored 7 goals in 25 games and considering it takes a year for any player to adjust to a different country and league then you'd have to take that into consideration.

Plus his international goal scoring record is excelllent. So I don't think we'd have to wonder about his mentality.

I also wouldn't mind Walcott. I do believe Rodgers can improve him.

Edward, you make interesting points about Huntelaar. He's definately the sort of player we need as the central forward - put the ball in the net, work the centre halves when we're not in possession, leave the creation and invention to others, your movement will create space for others anyway.
As far as his time at Real and Milan, you have to ask why he found himself in those situations. Why wasn't he one of the strikers picked rather than the one who was overlooked in favour of a midfielder?
At Milan, why didn't he last longer? Not all foreign imports need a season's 'understanding', and what about the second season? Change of manager? Why wasn't he fancied?

He did OK at Ajax, has done fine at Schalke, but has never really been the absolute, automatic first choice for the Dutch. He seems to do OK when the spotlight is pointing elsewhere. Would that be the case at Anfield?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on October 24, 2012, 01:38:38 PM
Huntelaar was excellent at Real with him linking nicely with sneider...the problem was that as usual with Real it was down to politics and saw those two blamed for Real's lowly 2nd against Barca in their prime.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 24, 2012, 04:09:09 PM
Huntelaar was excellent at Real with him linking nicely with sneider...the problem was that as usual with Real it was down to politics and saw those two blamed for Real's lowly 2nd against Barca in their prime.

Cheers Barticus, I hadn't followed his career close enough to have seen what the ins and outs were of his time at Real (and Milan), just knew that he hadn't been successful personally with either.
My failing memory does recall something about Sneider's time being less than successful and that he'd been caught up heavily in the political soap opera that breaks out from time to time there. I'd forget Huntelaar and Sneider were there at the same time.

Huntelaar may be the best we can attract and afford, but FSG may find him too old for their taste. As a player who has never had any pace and therefore is not something he's relied on, it should be less of an issue and I don't recall a particular problem with major injuries either. Whether FSG are learning to include the sporting aspect into their calculations, and therefore decisions, we'll need to wait and see.

If it came down to a choice of Huntelaar or Walcott, with Huntelaar's price being less taking into account his age and lack of  English and PL premiums, then I'm sure FSG would favour the Walcott deal.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on October 24, 2012, 11:26:23 PM
Says it all really:

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/klaas-jan-huntelaar-v-arsenal/
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 25, 2012, 12:24:15 AM
Says it all really:

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/klaas-jan-huntelaar-v-arsenal/

Doesn't prove anything, it's not youtube.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on October 26, 2012, 12:29:42 PM
Also worth keeping in mind is that Suarez has played with Huntelaar at Ajax...and they scored 50 goals together in one season...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on October 26, 2012, 09:17:59 PM
H it is then. Does anyone have Brendan on speed dial?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 12, 2012, 09:08:21 PM
Depending on who and many attackers we can secure in January, might it be an idea to let Borini spend the rest of the season in the U-21s so he can acclimatise with the pressure off.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 12, 2012, 09:18:31 PM
if Newcastle buy Carroll in the January window, maybe West Ham can take Borini on loan.

*runs for cover*
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 12, 2012, 09:26:18 PM
if Newcastle buy Carroll in the January window, maybe West Ham can take Borini on loan.

*runs for cover*

That's quite an astute shout there.

Dude, I think there's the basis of a good player but like you I think he needs PL experience and we don't have the time to give him his apprenticeship. There's a big difference between playing half a season for Swansea in the Championship and hitting the ground running in the PL, even if it is via a season in Serie A.

The sooner we cash in on Andy Carroll and he can get his career back on track at Newcastle, where I think he'd do OK, the better for all concerned.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 12, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
The sooner we cash in on Andy Carroll and he can get his career back on track at Newcastle, where I think he'd do OK, the better for all concerned.
He's ineligible to play for 3 clubs in 1 season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 12, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
He's ineligible to play for 3 clubs in 1 season.

I omitted the word 'can'. Obviously we can't ship him to Newcastle in January as it's being registered with three clubs that's the non non, but depending on who we get we can let Borini go out on loan (obviously not to West Ham unless Carroll comes back to us and we keep him warm for Newcastle, as a club can't loan two players from the same club). I just think that Borini needs us to be further down the development route Rodgers is taking us before he can fit in or those who need to can utilise his movement better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 12, 2012, 10:07:23 PM
I just think that Borini needs us to be further down the development route Rodgers is taking us before he can fit in.
Yes he was thrown into the first 11 and should have been eased in.

Problem is, as he said himself on BL, he keeps get relocated and moving house.
No harm imo having a goal scorer round, especially if we're still in Europe.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 12, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
Yes he was thrown into the first 11 and should have been eased in.

Problem is, as he said himself on BL, he keeps get relocated and moving house.
No harm imo having a goal scorer round, especially if we're still in Europe.

So he should be jolly well used to it. Nothing wrong with threatening him with the removal men again unless he starts scoring.  :D

I don't think we'll see the best from him yet and I think whilst settling in he has to play centrally, which only leaves him the games when Luis is rested. So much hinges on a good January window, and despite the rhetoric, they do happen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on November 13, 2012, 07:41:51 PM
I see Nicholas Anelka is available after falling out with Shanghai...he can always score goals and it's been less than a year since he fell out with AVB so might be worth a speculative punt..
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 13, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
I see Nicholas Anelka is available after falling out with Shanghai...he can always score goals and it's been less than a year since he fell out with AVB so might be worth a speculative punt..

If he were free and sensible about his wage demands. I'm guessing he's not free.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 13, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
From The Times:

It was the tweet that was meant to be a denial and an attempt to put the record straight, only for it to create a sense of mystery and intrigue instead. Raheem Sterling responded to claims that he had told Liverpool that he wanted £50,000 a week to stay at the club with an outraged reaction on Twitter, but within minutes of making his feelings known the teenager had deleted the message, probably following advice from his representatives that he wasn’t helping their bargaining position.
“Morning tweeps, I’ve just woken up to this rubbish,” Sterling tweeted. “I can assure you that I’ve not asked for that stupid amount. We’re waiting until I’m 18 to sign.”


All fine and dandy and all in keeping with the reality of a situation in which Liverpool are yet to open formal negotiations with either the player or his representatives, although tentative soundings-out have been under way for several weeks.
Had he stuck to his public position there would have been no further interest and the story which had prompted him to take to Twitter in anger would have been dismissed out of hand. By erasing it, from his own timeline if not the public consciousness, the winger merely added another layer of intrigue to a situation that could and should have been resolved some time ago.


That it hasn’t is not the responsibility of Sterling. It is Liverpool who should never have let things drag out this long. The club’s official position is that Sterling cannot sign a long-term contract until he turns 18 on December 8 and that is certainly the case, but Uefa rules do not prevent a player from agreeing a deal in advance of signing it and by failing to do so in this instance Liverpool have put themselves over a barrel when negotiations finally do begin.


Contrary to Brendan Rodgers’ assertion this weekend that Sterling “has become a very talented young man in the space of four months”, the 17-year-old’s talent was well known by Liverpool long before they signed him from Queens Park Rangers in February 2010 for an initial fee of £600,000. The reason why they shelled out such a huge amount on a youngster was that he was the most highly rated player in his age group in the country.

His talent, therefore, has not been in any doubt from the moment he first walked through the Shankly Gates.
So why have Liverpool taken so long to get round to tying Sterling’s future down? There is an argument that they needed to see how he would perform in the first team before committing themselves to an expensive contract that could become a noose around the club’s neck if Sterling fails on the big stage. There is certainly merit to that point of view, but not enough to explain why they are still to agree a deal despite the England international (for that is what he will become tomorrow) being described as one of the best players in his position in the country by Rodgers.

The more important question is why Liverpool have allowed Sterling to reach so many career landmarks, the kind which inevitably increase his value, without ensuring both that his future lies with them and that they sign him up before his personal demands rise in keeping with his reputation?

Wouldn’t Sterling being called into Rodgers’ squad for Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States have been the signal to get a deal done? If not at that point, then how about after he impressed in his full debut against Manchester City, a club who have kept a watchful eye on his development over the last 12 months? Or perhaps, in the immediate aftermath of Sterling being called into the full England squad for the World Cup qualifier against Ukraine?


The meter has been running for several months and at no point have Liverpool done enough to stop it from spinning beyond their control. One thing that is not in any question is that Sterling’s personal demands and value are now at an entirely different value to what they were in August. What might have been a £10,000 – £20,000 weekly contract three months ago is now likely to cost them in the region of £30,000 a week. Considering John W Henry demands “bang for his buck”, it is unlikely that this flawed approach will win favour with Liverpool’s principal owner.

Perhaps Henry should look at himself, however, as once again the problems come down to Liverpool’s flawed hierarchical structure. After Damien Comolli was dismissed as director of football last April – the timing of which was necessary to allow the club to prepare for the summer transfer window, according to Henry – no one was appointed as a direct replacement. That meant responsibility for contracts that previously lay with Comolli fell to Ian Ayre, a managing director whose brief seems to grow with every passing day.

Unlike Manchester City who are putting a definitive football structure in place, Liverpool do not have a Txiki Begiristain, a Ferran Soriano or a Brian Marwood. And with the numerous changes that have taken place at Anfield in the last two years nor do they have continuity.
Ayre is trying to cover up all of the cracks, but with Liverpool appointing a new manager who needed to get to know the players last summer, failing to have a scouting team in place until September and going back on their initial decision to appoint a director of football, responsibility for Sterling’s contract situation could not possibly lie with him.

Now Liverpool are in a position in which they are going to have to pay Sterling more than they would want to, either for the health of their finances or the development of a teenager with so much still to learn. They have to come up with a contract that reflects Sterling’s growing importance to the team, the international recognition that has now come his way and, most importantly, the reality that he could leave for nothing more than a compensation payment in 18 months’ time.

Should Liverpool fail to pay the going rate then they will run the risk of losing him to someone who will. They now must rely on Sterling and his advisers falling in line with their belief that it is unwise to pay a teenager the kind of salary that could potentially damage him.
The director of football model was supposed to prevent this kind of situation from arising by providing continuity through an overseer who is not beholden to results, which was why it was favoured by Henry and his acolytes at Fenway Sports Group.

From the moment they dispensed with that approach without bolstering Liverpool’s structure they made it inevitable that this kind of problem would occur, at least until Rodgers becomes experienced and powerful enough to run football operations on his own.

Eighteen months ago, Comolli gave an interview in which he insisted Liverpool would not sign anyone who could potentially inhibit Sterling’s progress. He was always destined for the first team and the strong likelihood, given his talent, was that he would flourish once he got there. Liverpool should have been prepared for that eventuality but they weren’t and now Sterling and his advisers will enter into negotiations in the knowledge that the bargaining power lies with them, regardless of the contents of his hastily deleted tweet.


It's just like when Moores was in charge and he just left everything up to Parry to do, except we don't have Parry, we have the truly out of his depth, totally complacent idiot that is Ayre.

If we're not having a DOF then we need a football administrator, who is a member of the board who sorts all the contract negotiations so we start this sort of process in a timely manner and get our signing negotiated with early and just the signature is required come a window's opening day. Rodgers needs to see this as a priority in getting Henry & Co fully signed up to it and get a top man in place. It will take some of the important stuff away from Harley Ayre too, and afterall, it's Rodgers who will have his plans undermined and his job made harder if he doesn't get FSG to act.

I bet their rounders team isn't as lightweight in 'the front office'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 13, 2012, 11:42:05 PM
From The Times:

It was the tweet that was meant to be a denial and an attempt to put the record straight, only for it to create a sense of mystery and intrigue instead. Raheem Sterling responded to claims that he had told Liverpool that he wanted £50,000 a week to stay at the club with an outraged reaction on Twitter, but within minutes of making his feelings known the teenager had deleted the message, probably following advice from his representatives that he wasn’t helping their bargaining position.
“Morning tweeps, I’ve just woken up to this rubbish,” Sterling tweeted. “I can assure you that I’ve not asked for that stupid amount. We’re waiting until I’m 18 to sign.”


All fine and dandy and all in keeping with the reality of a situation in which Liverpool are yet to open formal negotiations with either the player or his representatives, although tentative soundings-out have been under way for several weeks.
Had he stuck to his public position there would have been no further interest and the story which had prompted him to take to Twitter in anger would have been dismissed out of hand. By erasing it, from his own timeline if not the public consciousness, the winger merely added another layer of intrigue to a situation that could and should have been resolved some time ago.


That it hasn’t is not the responsibility of Sterling. It is Liverpool who should never have let things drag out this long. The club’s official position is that Sterling cannot sign a long-term contract until he turns 18 on December 8 and that is certainly the case, but Uefa rules do not prevent a player from agreeing a deal in advance of signing it and by failing to do so in this instance Liverpool have put themselves over a barrel when negotiations finally do begin.


Contrary to Brendan Rodgers’ assertion this weekend that Sterling “has become a very talented young man in the space of four months”, the 17-year-old’s talent was well known by Liverpool long before they signed him from Queens Park Rangers in February 2010 for an initial fee of £600,000. The reason why they shelled out such a huge amount on a youngster was that he was the most highly rated player in his age group in the country.

His talent, therefore, has not been in any doubt from the moment he first walked through the Shankly Gates.
So why have Liverpool taken so long to get round to tying Sterling’s future down? There is an argument that they needed to see how he would perform in the first team before committing themselves to an expensive contract that could become a noose around the club’s neck if Sterling fails on the big stage. There is certainly merit to that point of view, but not enough to explain why they are still to agree a deal despite the England international (for that is what he will become tomorrow) being described as one of the best players in his position in the country by Rodgers.

The more important question is why Liverpool have allowed Sterling to reach so many career landmarks, the kind which inevitably increase his value, without ensuring both that his future lies with them and that they sign him up before his personal demands rise in keeping with his reputation?

Wouldn’t Sterling being called into Rodgers’ squad for Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States have been the signal to get a deal done? If not at that point, then how about after he impressed in his full debut against Manchester City, a club who have kept a watchful eye on his development over the last 12 months? Or perhaps, in the immediate aftermath of Sterling being called into the full England squad for the World Cup qualifier against Ukraine?


The meter has been running for several months and at no point have Liverpool done enough to stop it from spinning beyond their control. One thing that is not in any question is that Sterling’s personal demands and value are now at an entirely different value to what they were in August. What might have been a £10,000 – £20,000 weekly contract three months ago is now likely to cost them in the region of £30,000 a week. Considering John W Henry demands “bang for his buck”, it is unlikely that this flawed approach will win favour with Liverpool’s principal owner.

Perhaps Henry should look at himself, however, as once again the problems come down to Liverpool’s flawed hierarchical structure. After Damien Comolli was dismissed as director of football last April – the timing of which was necessary to allow the club to prepare for the summer transfer window, according to Henry – no one was appointed as a direct replacement. That meant responsibility for contracts that previously lay with Comolli fell to Ian Ayre, a managing director whose brief seems to grow with every passing day.

Unlike Manchester City who are putting a definitive football structure in place, Liverpool do not have a Txiki Begiristain, a Ferran Soriano or a Brian Marwood. And with the numerous changes that have taken place at Anfield in the last two years nor do they have continuity.
Ayre is trying to cover up all of the cracks, but with Liverpool appointing a new manager who needed to get to know the players last summer, failing to have a scouting team in place until September and going back on their initial decision to appoint a director of football, responsibility for Sterling’s contract situation could not possibly lie with him.

Now Liverpool are in a position in which they are going to have to pay Sterling more than they would want to, either for the health of their finances or the development of a teenager with so much still to learn. They have to come up with a contract that reflects Sterling’s growing importance to the team, the international recognition that has now come his way and, most importantly, the reality that he could leave for nothing more than a compensation payment in 18 months’ time.

Should Liverpool fail to pay the going rate then they will run the risk of losing him to someone who will. They now must rely on Sterling and his advisers falling in line with their belief that it is unwise to pay a teenager the kind of salary that could potentially damage him.
The director of football model was supposed to prevent this kind of situation from arising by providing continuity through an overseer who is not beholden to results, which was why it was favoured by Henry and his acolytes at Fenway Sports Group.

From the moment they dispensed with that approach without bolstering Liverpool’s structure they made it inevitable that this kind of problem would occur, at least until Rodgers becomes experienced and powerful enough to run football operations on his own.

Eighteen months ago, Comolli gave an interview in which he insisted Liverpool would not sign anyone who could potentially inhibit Sterling’s progress. He was always destined for the first team and the strong likelihood, given his talent, was that he would flourish once he got there. Liverpool should have been prepared for that eventuality but they weren’t and now Sterling and his advisers will enter into negotiations in the knowledge that the bargaining power lies with them, regardless of the contents of his hastily deleted tweet.


It's just like when Moores was in charge and he just left everything up to Parry to do, except we don't have Parry, we have the truly out of his depth, totally complacent idiot that is Ayre.

If we're not having a DOF then we need a football administrator, who is a member of the board who sorts all the contract negotiations so we start this sort of process in a timely manner and get our signing negotiated with early and just the signature is required come a window's opening day. Rodgers needs to see this as a priority in getting Henry & Co fully signed up to it and get a top man in place. It will take some of the important stuff away from Harley Ayre too, and afterall, it's Rodgers who will have his plans undermined and his job made harder if he doesn't get FSG to act.

I bet their rounders team isn't as lightweight in 'the front office'.
Tes I think you have to question the motivations of such an article.

Tony Barrett I presume.

Presumably it would be wonderful for him to have a big negative story
about LFC to get him through the winter months.

I find it pathetic that he's reduced to forensically analysing the Twitter
account of a 17-year old to write a 1000 word article full of bitchy
conjecture. Gimme a break what an *sshole :'(
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 13, 2012, 11:53:44 PM
Journalist will act like a journalist, it's the DNA, dontcha know.

It doesn't alter the fact we've glued our running spikes to the starting block yet again. We run a risk of losing a home produced talent if we're not careful. We never did learn from the McManaman debacle.

We so need to sort out things off the pitch. If we did then any transition from one manager to another would be underpinned so that he picks up the reins much more easily and smoothly. We used to be the shining example of how to do it, now we're the lesson everyone else learns from - the 'How not to run a football club' for dummies.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 14, 2012, 01:51:12 AM
Anelka is an interesting one.

My two interests would be the dutch lad, Huntelaar, or Newcastle's Ba.

I'd call Suarez into my office and ask him how him and Huntelaar  got on when playing together as strikers for Ajax.  Huntelaar might be 29, but if we could nab him for 6 to 10 million (various newspapers quote such numbers), then he could be a decent buy.  He is an out and out striker, so Suarez would have to take a step back.  But in my eyes, Suarez has always been a typical number 7 anyway (like keegan).

Ba is the other lad of interest.  Unsure of how he is getting on this season.  But he was on fire last year.  Again, like Huntelaar, his contract issues could mean he could be picked up for decent money.

Hell, our owners could do worse that go out and buy both players!




Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on November 14, 2012, 06:44:24 AM
Agreed...at first i was uncertain about Ba...as he is Senegalese and he'd be off for 2 months to the african nations cup, but as Senegal have been banned from it for rioting and he has a 7 mil buy out clause, it would be a good deal...same with huntelaar for 7/8 mil...
sensible buys at good prices...who the hell thought it was wise to let Kenny spend what he wanted?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 14, 2012, 02:19:49 PM
Agreed...at first i was uncertain about Ba...as he is Senegalese and he'd be off for 2 months to the african nations cup, but as Senegal have been banned from it for rioting and he has a 7 mil buy out clause, it would be a good deal...same with huntelaar for 7/8 mil...
sensible buys at good prices...who the hell thought it was wise to let Kenny spend what he wanted?

good point about the Senegal ban.  I had forgotten about that.

yes, it tells you an awful lot about the intelligence levels at Liverpool, among it's management and scouting network, that we wasted so much money under Dalglish.

and we still do not have a top notch network in place.....unless one counts distinctly average ex Bolton and Man City people, now at Anfield.

smart people identify great opportunities.  Dumb people throw endless money at problems, hoping to get lucky.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on November 14, 2012, 06:12:05 PM
Don't get your hopes up that we'll get someone like Huntelaar or Ba.

Brendan has about £10m to play with in January which isn't enough for Huntelaar or Ba.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 14, 2012, 06:42:45 PM
Don't get your hopes up that we'll get someone like Huntelaar or Ba.

Brendan has about £10m to play with in January which isn't enough for Huntelaar or Ba.

Presumably he could sell or include a player in any deal or enter
into some kind of agreement regarding our Summer exits (does
anyone seriously think Andy Carroll will ever wear the red shirt
again under Rodgers).

Don't know if Joe Cole is going to feature much for us this season,
unless there are plans to use him in the Europa league (if we remain
in that competition). He might fancy playing some footie in the new year.

Anyway there are options, so let's hope we can do some business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 14, 2012, 07:48:36 PM
Agreed...at first i was uncertain about Ba...as he is Senegalese and he'd be off for 2 months to the african nations cup, but as Senegal have been banned from it for rioting and he has a 7 mil buy out clause, it would be a good deal...same with huntelaar for 7/8 mil...
sensible buys at good prices...who the hell thought it was wise to let Kenny spend what he wanted?

Isn't Ba's £7M buyout clause just for CL teams?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 14, 2012, 07:52:38 PM
Don't get your hopes up that we'll get someone like Huntelaar or Ba.

Brendan has about £10m to play with in January which isn't enough for Huntelaar or Ba.

I guess it depends on whether Schalke are certain he won't sign a new contract and whether there'd prefer to keep him or cash in with the emphasis being on actually seeing a deal go through.

Last January most people agreed we needed a goalscorer/striker and we're arguably weaker than we were last January, so £10M is hardly going to make a ripple.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 14, 2012, 08:05:25 PM
There's a soaking silly rumour about Ian Doyle saying there'll be a big transfer story in tomorrow's Daily Post.

Probably getting N'Gog back as we're desperate for a striker with desperate being the operative word.

What's Voronin up to these days?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 14, 2012, 08:26:31 PM
Apparently Wenger is resigned to Walnut coming to us and is sorting out a replacement. Unless I read it wrong and Wenger is resigning with Walcott taking over.

I'd better not consult Twitter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 14, 2012, 09:23:56 PM
Apparently Wenger is resigned to Walnut coming to us and is sorting out a replacement. Unless I read it wrong and Wenger is resigning with Walcott taking over.

I'd better not consult Twitter.
Just need someone to stand on the peno spot and
do like Cavani does here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CKD9snbFQJI

I like the idea of Huntelaar, (aged 29) a savvy foreigner with goals
in him. Not quite in the league of Bergkamp 26 when he went to Arsenal
or Klinsmann at 30 joining Spurs. Still if he's cheapish worth taking a
risk. Think he's happy topping the CL group with Schalke atm.

I note more brilliance from Luis tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uP8ADUFYvN8

Simply outrageous talent!

I just can't see him sticking around if we don't radically improve in
the 2nd half of the season.

He's the type of player who could win the Europa Cup for us, imo.

Anyway if we were to get the likes of Huntelaar and Lucas
is back, there's a fairly strong first 11 there, imo. Hmmm...Optimism!  :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 14, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
Just need someone to stand on the peno spot and
do like Cavani does here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CKD9snbFQJI

I like the idea of Huntelaar, (aged 29) a savvy foreigner with goals
in him. Not quite in the league of Bergkamp 26 when he went to Arsenal
or Klinsmann at 30 joining Spurs. Still if he's cheapish worth taking a
risk. Think he's happy topping the CL group with Schalke atm.

I note more brilliance from Luis tonight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uP8ADUFYvN8

Simply outrageous talent!

I just can't see him sticking around if we don't radically improve in
the 2nd half of the season.

He's the type of player who could win the Europa Cup for us, imo.

Anyway if we were to get the likes of Huntelaar and Lucas
is back, there's a fairly strong first 11 there, imo. Hmmm...Optimism!  :)

Unberealabubble. There's not many teams he could go to where he'd be so far ahead as the best player - we have got that going for us.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 14, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Just need someone to stand on the peno spot and
do like Cavani does here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CKD9snbFQJI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CKD9snbFQJI)

what about trying to nab Suarez's Uruguayan striking partner, Edinson Cavani, from Napoli?

they seem to have a good partnership for the national team....a good understanding.

the lad is 25, a devout Christian, and has a great scoring record.....and has no injury woes.  He has scored 57 goals (in 80 games) in the league for Napoli in these past 3 seasons with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinson_Cavani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinson_Cavani)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 14, 2012, 11:20:44 PM
what about trying to nab Suarez's Uruguayan striking partner, Edinson Cavani, from Napoli?

they seem to have a good partnership for the national team....a good understanding.

the lad is 25, a devout Christian, and has a great scoring record.....and has no injury woes.  He has scored 57 goals (in 80 games) in the league for Napoli in these past 3 seasons with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinson_Cavani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinson_Cavani)

Slightly North of about £35M needed. Ah, why not?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 14, 2012, 11:28:33 PM
yikes, scrub that idea.   :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 15, 2012, 12:07:27 AM
yikes, scrub that idea.   :)
We could use some of the 35% of the £5million we get back
if we re-sign Tom Ince.  ::)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-gossip-thomas-ince-1436321

 :-[
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 15, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
We could use some of the 35% of the £5million we get back
if we re-sign Tom Ince.  ::)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-gossip-thomas-ince-1436321

 :-[

That's a really odd one. Is Ince actually good enough to come in and be a first choice? Doubtful. Doing well for Blackpool in a division below, as Charlie Adam will attest to, is no guarentee of being good enough to be a worthy addition to the first team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 16, 2012, 04:36:44 PM
we have embarrassed ourselves enough already (selling good players for peanuts, spending fortunes on cr.ap and injured players), without now trying to re-sign lads that we decided were previously not good enough.

ince excelling at Blackpool - as Tes says, haven;t we learnt from the charlie adam episode.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 17, 2012, 12:04:08 AM
we have embarrassed ourselves enough already (selling good players for peanuts, spending fortunes on cr.ap and injured players), without now trying to re-sign lads that we decided were previously not good enough.

ince excelling at Blackpool - as Tes says, haven;t we learnt from the charlie adam episode.

It feels like another 'head in hands' moment. I've got to know almost every line on my palms these last few years, a familiarity I'd rather not have.

Just appoint a bona fide CEO, of Martin Edwards, David Gill, David Dein weight and let him get on with running the club and making the neccessary educated appointments. I'm sick of saying 'look at the Mancs'. Afterall, Taggart/Edwards/Gill got their blueprint from us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 17, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
It feels like another 'head in hands' moment. I've got to know almost every line on my palms these last few years, a familiarity I'd rather not have.

Just appoint a bona fide CEO, of Martin Edwards, David Gill, David Dein weight and let him get on with running the club and making the neccessary educated appointments. I'm sick of saying 'look at the Mancs'. Afterall, Taggart/Edwards/Gill got their blueprint from us.

exactly.

appoint a top notch CEO, and the club will almost run itself (off the pitch anyway).

the yanks are baffling me.  Surely the club was a major enough investment for them, for to take some interest in.  Running it into the ground surely cannot be a good way of making a return on one;s investment.

I forecast in the summer, that by April or May, the Anfield crowd may be in uproar.  The yanks might fob blame off on Rodgers...but they best be careful that fans do not turn on them.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 17, 2012, 12:47:21 AM
the yanks are baffling me.  Surely the club was a major enough investment for them, for to take some interest in.  Running it into the ground surely cannot be a good way of making a return on one;s investment.

I don't see evil intent, just typical (at least of those when I lived there) insular, inward, 'all the world must be like America' Americans. No need to understand how the natives play, we'll just tell them what and how to play instead.

They've bought a million dollar yacht and put the bloke who hires out rowing boats on the local duckpond at Skegness in charge. People with that sort of money have access to the best. If they don't know the best they know someone who does, or know someone who can introduce them to that someone.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 17, 2012, 12:58:07 AM
I don't see evil intent, just typical (at least of those when I lived there) insular, inward, 'all the world must be like America' Americans. No need to understand how the natives play, we'll just tell them what and how to play instead.

They've bought a million dollar yacht and put the bloke who hires out rowing boats on the local duckpond at Skegness in charge. People with that sort of money have access to the best. If they don't know the best they know someone who does, or know someone who can introduce them to that someone.

yes, inward looking, america is best, we-know-it-all, arrogance, is what I see too.

as you say, they have the resources to find and appoint the best people......but for some reason, that baffles me, they think they know best themselves.    e.g.  I found the pictures in early summer of Martinez walking around a Florida street with our owner, during negotiations, as somewhat bizarre.   What could yanks, who know nothing about football, possibly be asking a mid-table/relation fighting Spanish manager.  What pertinent questioning could he do.  Bizarre.



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 17, 2012, 10:58:35 AM
e.g.  I found the pictures in early summer of Martinez walking around a Florida street with our owner, during negotiations, as somewhat bizarre.   What could yanks, who know nothing about football, possibly be asking a mid-table/relation fighting Spanish manager.  What pertinent questioning could he do.  Bizarre.

Firstly that he puts himself in a position to be photo publicly whilst carrying out negotiations for a prime employee and that it created the impression that he was at the heart of the negotiations, when as Dude says, how can he be?
Secondly, he's only capable of a 'listening brief' in that he can judge a potential manager's nature, air of confidence, body language, all those sort of things, but he can't conduct the negotiations, as what does he use as a yardstick to judge Martinez's answers against?

If they're still there, I can't see the Glazer clan conducting the negotiations and talks with Taggart's replacement, that will be Gill's brief and so it should he be. He's the CEO, he has to appoint the main football man as it's him who will need to work with the new manager and he who has to run the organisation that the manager plays such a massive part in shaping.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 17, 2012, 11:05:44 AM
Firstly that he puts himself in a position to be photo publicly whilst carrying out negotiations for a prime employee and that it created the impression that he was at the heart of the negotiations, when as Dude says, how can he be?
Secondly, he's only capable of a 'listening brief' in that he can judge a potential manager's nature, air of confidence, body language, all those sort of things, but he can't conduct the negotiations, as what does he use as a yardstick to judge Martinez's answers against?

If they're still there, I can't see the Glazer clan conducting the negotiations and talks with Taggart's replacement, that will be Gill's brief and so it should he be. He's the CEO, he has to appoint the main football man as it's him who will need to work with the new manager and he who has to run the organisation that the manager plays such a massive part in shaping.

exactly, the Glazers (or the middle eastern owners of Man City) will not be conducting talks regarding their new respective managers.

as for our owner.  On that Florida street, all that I can imagine him being able to ask Martinez (or any prospective new Liverpool appointee), is to "sell me your dream for how you would like to transform the club"......or "what would you bring to the job?"

in other words, generic questions.

our owners are some mixture of arrogance and stupidity.

at some point, the balance will tip, and the core of our support will see through our owners.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 17, 2012, 11:45:18 AM
is to "sell me your dream for how you would like to transform the club"......or "what would you bring to the job?"

Even those questions need a certain amount of knowledge to assess whether the answer makes sense or is achievable within the context of football in general and our club specifically. It's easy to be taken in or impressed with B.S if you have no way of working out that what you're hearing is B.S.

How much did the owners know about the candidates entire careers and whether they regularly underachieved, overachieved or operated in a way that contributed to their career highs and lows or whether those contributing circumstances were all beyond their control.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 17, 2012, 01:09:22 PM
Even those questions need a certain amount of knowledge to assess whether the answer makes sense or is achievable within the context of football in general and our club specifically. It's easy to be taken in or impressed with B.S if you have no way of working out that what you're hearing is B.S.

How much did the owners know about the candidates entire careers and whether they regularly underachieved, overachieved or operated in a way that contributed to their career highs and lows or whether those contributing circumstances were all beyond their control.

exactly.

being interviewed by our owner, it was an open goal for a Bull-Shxxter.  And thus someone like BR could excel.

I have a pretty good antenna for detecting BSérs.   I saw them in universities, in large lecture theatres, in senior and middle management.  Indeed, I had to sit through long boring meetings, which were extended because of such people.  I would get home after dark, often because such people loved the sound of their own voice.

Yanks love hearing the right words.  They take it all in, hook,  line and sinker. 

the usual personnel dept BS - sell me your vision; where do you see yourself in 5 years, what would you bring  to the job, etc, etc.

but as you say, with no knowledge of football, the candidates, or what is and is not do-able, the owners had nothing to base their decisions on.



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 17, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
exactly.

being interviewed by our owner, it was an open goal for a Bull-Shxxter.  And thus someone like BR could excel.

I have a pretty good antenna for detecting BSérs.   I saw them in universities, in large lecture theatres, in senior and middle management.  Indeed, I had to sit through long boring meetings, which were extended because of such people.  I would get home after dark, often because such people loved the sound of their own voice.

Yanks love hearing the right words.  They take it all in, hook,  line and sinker. 

the usual personnel dept BS - sell me your vision; where do you see yourself in 5 years, what would you bring  to the job, etc, etc.

but as you say, with no knowledge of football, the candidates, or what is and is not do-able, the owners had nothing to base their decisions on.

It's impossible to understand their thinking in so much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on November 18, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
exactly.

being interviewed by our owner, it was an open goal for a Bull-Shxxter.  And thus someone like BR could excel.

I have a pretty good antenna for detecting BSérs.   I saw them in universities, in large lecture theatres, in senior and middle management.  Indeed, I had to sit through long boring meetings, which were extended because of such people.  I would get home after dark, often because such people loved the sound of their own voice.

Yanks love hearing the right words.  They take it all in, hook,  line and sinker. 

the usual personnel dept BS - sell me your vision; where do you see yourself in 5 years, what would you bring  to the job, etc, etc.

but as you say, with no knowledge of football, the candidates, or what is and is not do-able, the owners had nothing to base their decisions on.

You never stop do you.....
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 18, 2012, 10:05:02 PM
You never stop do you.....

Don't you see the question that is being posed? Also, the subjects of the question are the owners, not the manager.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 18, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
Edward, have you heard anything rumoured about either Walcott, or Long? There seems to be rumours a plenty floating about elsewhere concerning the pair.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on November 19, 2012, 11:26:11 PM
Looks like Sturridge could be a realistic January target. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9689301/Daniel-Sturridge-in-Liverpools-sights-as-Brendan-Rodgers-looks-to-bolster-Anfield-clubs-firepower.html

And with Warner over the report seems quite coincidental. Could be good business.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 19, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
Looks like Sturridge could be a realistic January target. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9689301/Daniel-Sturridge-in-Liverpools-sights-as-Brendan-Rodgers-looks-to-bolster-Anfield-clubs-firepower.html

And with Warner over the report seems quite coincidental. Could be good business.

Sturridge hasn't kicked on as much as was hoped. Maybe it's down to him being played out wide, as the season before last he was excellent on loan at Bolton playing centrally, and his best games have been central for Chelsea.
I can't see Rodgers accommodating him centrally for enough games, even though Luis spends enough time playing the channels and coming inside from a wider position, I don't think Sturridge would be happy being expected to spend time out of the centre. Also, he can be greedy and doesn't look for those in better positions as much as he should.
Maybe it's down to not playing regularly enough or playing centrally enough. I wonder if we missed our chance and he missed his chance when he didn't come as part of the Torres transfer.

Still, it's an option and maybe Rodgers can work with him more than the coaches at Chelsea maybe have. Neither AVB or Di Matteo seem to have favoured him playing centrally even when he's done OK when given the chance. Change of scenary and manager may just work for him, and us. I certainly wouldn't discount him as an option.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 20, 2012, 12:29:01 AM
It won't happen in January and neither should it, but I think one thing that is painfully obvious from the last two seasons is that we need cover/competition for Lucas.

We don't have an obvious replacement or anyone good enough to fit in to the role temporarily and this needs addressing as soon as financially possible.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on November 20, 2012, 05:29:20 PM
Tes,

Sturridge's lack of goal power probably comes from lack of confidence as he seems to have lost favour with de Matteo. Rogers seems to know what he wants and this seems the most obvious transfer target to date. Those little traits of not looking up can be sorted out on the training pitch. He's decent quality for a reasonable price so it would be hard for the owners to come up with reasons why they wouldn't write the cheque.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on November 20, 2012, 06:22:32 PM
Deeply troubled by this Sturridge milarky...
Do we only buy players who Rodgers knows then? Thats not a big catchment area tbh... Chelsea (left 4 years ago so they're getting old now), Watford, Reading and Swansea.
Hmmm Sturridge who has always flattered to deceive or Huntelaar a proven act who has scored at every level. I know who i'd have...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 20, 2012, 07:03:58 PM
Deeply troubled by this Sturridge milarky...
Hmmm Sturridge who has always flattered to deceive
Not exactly filled with joy by the prospect either.

I thought we had a team of scouts working on this!

Borini & Sturridge, are we the Chelsea reserves?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 20, 2012, 07:10:14 PM
like Barticus, I am deeply troubled by these continued links to Sturridge.

The lad does not have the quality we need.  Heck, he can;t get a regular game at Chelsea....even with Torres playing dire, and Drogba gone.

he's scored a mere 26 league goals in these past 6 seasons.

I really have to question the type of players Liverpool are looking at.

Huntelaar or even the Arsenal lad, Walcott.  But heck, Sturridge, no way.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 20, 2012, 08:29:01 PM
Not exactly filled with joy by the prospect either.

I thought we had a team of scouts working on this!

Borini & Sturridge, are we the Chelsea reserves?

First window and I'll put it down to a new manager wanting a couple of familiar faces around him. Even more experienced managers like 'arry have done the same.

Second window I would prefer he was beyond that and we cast our net wider and the manager had belief that a player would come to the club because of/despite him. In other words, not just safe bets he already worked with. Believe players will come - because it's Liverpool Football Club asking them to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 20, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
Downing interested in Boro loan

20 November 2012


 Liverpool winger Stewart Downing would consider a return to first club Middlesbrough to play a part in their promotion push.

Press Association Sport understands Downing, who has had few first-team opportunities under Brendan Rodgers, would not be averse to a loan move back to the Riverside Stadium as he looks for regular football.

Liverpool seem likely to attempt to offload the 28-year-old, who joined the Reds in a £20million switch from Aston Villa in July last year, in January with Rodgers keen to address his lack of strike-power.

There is interest from a series of Barclays Premier League rivals in a permanent move but Downing is understood to still be determined to prove he has a long-term future on Merseyside.

In the circumstances, the player would prefer a temporary move, and his former employers would provide a tempting alternative.

Boro, who currently lie in third place in the npower Championship, were not commenting publicly on the matter on Tuesday, but sources on Teesside have indicated that nothing is likely to happen ahead of Thursday's emergency loan deadline.

But January would provide an opportunity to resolve a situation which bears a striking resemblance to that in which striker Andy Carroll found himself.

The £35million frontman was surplus to requirements during the summer, but had let it be known he was willing to consider a temporary move back to Newcastle, the club which had raked in a fee since described by manager Alan Pardew as "astronomical" for their home-grown talent.

But he ultimately ended up on a season-long loan deal at West Ham, a move which left Rodgers with Uruguay international Luis Suarez as his only recognised striker.

However, while Newcastle would have been able to fund a sizeable percentage of Carroll's wage packet, Boro would need Liverpool to pick up a large part of the tab for Downing, and that could prove a stumbling block even if they were willing to enter into an agreement.


http://www.standard.co.uk/pasportsfeeds/downing-interested-in-boro-loan-8335505.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/pasportsfeeds/downing-interested-in-boro-loan-8335505.html)

He'd be interested to play a part in their promotion push, his first club, his home town, but not interested enough to accept less than he gets now for being a bit part (non) player. At his age, unless something drastic happens, he probably not going to play much more football unless he accepts less for doing so.
So which is the most important? Playing but escaping the minmum wage by just several thousands of pounds per week, or not playing but receiving three or four times more for it than for playing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 20, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
like Barticus, I am deeply troubled by these continued links to Sturridge.

The lad does not have the quality we need.  Heck, he can;t get a regular game at Chelsea....even with Torres playing dire, and Drogba gone.

he's scored a mere 26 league goals in these past 6 seasons.

I really have to question the type of players Liverpool are looking at.

Huntelaar or even the Arsenal lad, Walcott.  But heck, Sturridge, no way.

I think the time to have got Sturridge passed when we didn't accept him + £40M for Torres.
He's had two managers not trust him to play centrally. From accounts I've read he's become greedy and not a team player. That may be him trying to prove his goal scoring credentials to get a move back centrally, but Walcott seems to have dealt with his own desire to play centrally in a more mature way whilst still contributing fully to the team.
Whoever comes in has to understand that the manager is looking for a fluid frontline so movement is required, rather than playing in a more narrow area of the pitch.
I thought Enrique did well getting himself in the box from the wider starting position whenever the ball was on the opposite flank or if Luis had vacated the central area. That's the sort of fluidity of movement players need to be prepared to have.
Sturridge would have to make moves from central positions to the channels and also make runs to take players away and create space for others knowing he won't actually receive the ball and won't have the opportunity there to be 'the hero' but a participator in the overall move.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 20, 2012, 09:43:19 PM
I think that we offer a unique position amongst 'the bigger teams' in the league for players like Walcott and Sturridge, others that may be tempted to look elsewhere for first team football. Sinclair, like Moses have made the same sort of decision Sturridge did and appear to have gone where the money leads. That same issue of money also means that the clubs they have chosen can buy in much bigger name players and they find themselves without a realistic chance of regular first team football.
They may get a League Cup run-out or an appearance in a dead rubber in the CL but they will just be eating expensive crumbs.

Even Arsenal and Spurs have reasonably well stocked squads (in comparison to us). As we're looking to re-build then players have a chance to grow and develop with us (hopefully) and though there may not be signs of CL football, going down the route of going to the Manchester clubs and Chelsea only means you probably get to watch it for free, participation is hardly nailed on.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 20, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
I think the time to have got Sturridge passed when we didn't accept him + £40M for Torres.
He's had two managers not trust him to play centrally. From accounts I've read he's become greedy and not a team player. That may be him trying to prove his goal scoring credentials to get a move back centrally, but Walcott seems to have dealt with his own desire to play centrally in a more mature way whilst still contributing fully to the team.
Whoever comes in has to understand that the manager is looking for a fluid frontline so movement is required, rather than playing in a more narrow area of the pitch.

yes, I have heard similar reports re Sturridge being arrogant and not a team man.

I like the triple attacking scenario you mentioned earlier - suarez, walcott and sterling.  The only downside is the lack of aerial dominance in that trio.  But there is so little crossing in the modern game anyway.

as you suggest, sturridge would probably not bring the fluidity that we need.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 22, 2012, 05:46:31 PM
And in an early April 1st joke:

Cavani Wants Liverpool Talks, Claims Agent

NAPOLI star striker, and one of the hottest properties in World football, Edinson Cavani wants to have talks with Liverpool FC and Arsenal according to the player’s agent.

Cavani forms a devastating partnership at international level with Liverpool’s Luis Suarez, and has been one of the stars of Serie A since arriving in Italy; first playing for Palermo before being signed by their more illustrious rivals Napoli, where he has scored 49 goals in just 64 appearances over the last two seasons.

 

So far this season, he has notched 8 goals in 11 games for il Partenopei.

Such hot form has led to Cavani’s name being linked with virtually every elite club in Europe over the last 2 years, but rumours have persisted that his preferred destination would be the English Premier League.

With both Chelsea and Manchester City now fluttering their respective diamond-encrusted eyelashes at the latest ‘hottest’ striker in Europe, Radamel Falcao, Cavani’s agent has opened the door up to more perspective buyers.

Speaking to Ecuadorian newspaper El Telegrafo, Claudio Annelucci (Cavani’s agent) said: “Liverpool and Arsenal are the first clubs Cavani has agreed to talk to.

“It is no secret that Cavani wants to play in England; it is one of his biggest dreams.”

Napoli, for their part, have consistently denied that the player is interested in leaving the club


http://live4liverpool.com/2012/11/lfc-news/cavani-wants-liverpool-talks-claims-agent (http://live4liverpool.com/2012/11/lfc-news/cavani-wants-liverpool-talks-claims-agent)

'Lost in translation' or another fake agent, like Jeffren Suarez's supposed agent Jorge Llagostera, claiming Cavani's agreed to talk to us.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 22, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
'Lost in translation' or another fake agent, like Jeffren Suarez's supposed agent Jorge Llagostera, claiming Cavani's agreed to talk to us.

Baited Kanwar on his awful site earlier on over this story. He went apoplectic.  :D    Can't see what I did wrong.  ::)

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/11/jeffren-suarez-blasts-fake-agent-over-LFC-transfer-lies.html (http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/11/jeffren-suarez-blasts-fake-agent-over-LFC-transfer-lies.html)

Posted under the initial 'S'.

I love it, he falls for it everytime. Sad little wannabe journo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 22, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Baited Kanwar on his awful site earlier on over this story. He went apoplectic.  :D    Can't see what I did wrong.  ::)

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/11/jeffren-suarez-blasts-fake-agent-over-LFC-transfer-lies.html (http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/11/jeffren-suarez-blasts-fake-agent-over-LFC-transfer-lies.html)

Posted under the initial 'S'.

I love it, he falls for it everytime. Sad little wannabe journo.

he must have deleted the post, Tes.  I only see three posts there now, and none by an S.

yes, I sometimes read his site.  He's way out there.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 22, 2012, 10:59:38 PM
he must have deleted the post, Tes.  I only see three posts there now, and none by an S.

yes, I sometimes read his site.  He's way out there.

He deleted mine, his reply to it, a sarky one from Jason Carr towards Kanwar, who's others are still there (Jason Carr's posts) and another one I'd made under the username JaimieKanwar claiming to be the real Jaimie Kanwar. I love baiting that fool every so often, and he looses it every time. I'd call it a good sport but it's too one sided to be so.  :D

He thinks he has carte blanche to say whatever he wants but when someone calls him on it he always takes his deflated ball(s) home.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 22, 2012, 11:58:09 PM
He deleted mine, his reply to it, a sarky one from Jason Carr towards Kanwar, who's others are still there (Jason Carr's posts) and another one I'd made under the username JaimieKanwar claiming to be the real Jaimie Kanwar. I love baiting that fool every so often, and he looses it every time. I'd call it a good sport but it's too one sided to be so.  :D

He thinks he has carte blanche to say whatever he wants but when someone calls him on it he always takes his deflated ball(s) home.

 :D

yes, he is so far out there, that unlike 99 percent of Liverpool fan blogs, Kanwar is not ignorable. 

note, I see edward has joined me, in trying to wind him up.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 23, 2012, 12:11:51 AM
DylanMcDougall's just posted on the same thread. Totally hijacked by Anfield Road forumites.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 23, 2012, 12:16:55 AM
just after replying to zippy and bungle post.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 23, 2012, 12:24:13 AM
The Trumpton fire brigades just been called. Kanwar's head will explode.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 23, 2012, 12:26:43 AM
The Trumpton fire brigades just been called. Kanwar's head will explode.

Skippy has just bounced by and told me to make haste coz Kanwar is in trouble.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 23, 2012, 12:35:55 AM
There's a scandal involving Sooty, Bungle and Suki Sue now.  :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 23, 2012, 12:42:37 AM
Sooty is new chairman of the Black Society of Lawyyers.

Sooty is appearing nightly on the West End, for those able to see him.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 23, 2012, 12:45:35 AM
Sooty is new chairman of the Black Society of Lawyyers.

Sooty is appearing nightly on the West End, for those able to see him.

None of us will be able to see him, Kanwar's started deleting the posts again. Still, it was fun whilst it lasted, as Suki Sue once said to Mathew Cobbett Senior.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 23, 2012, 12:49:41 AM
None of us will be able to see him, Kanwar's started deleting the posts again. Still, it was fun whilst it lasted, as Suki Sue once said to Mathew Cobbett Senior.

 :D

and whilst wearing my non-pc hat, let me say that

Basil Brush is a poof.

bum! bum!

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 23, 2012, 12:54:39 AM
Mr Bean was introduced to Jason Carr's 'Halleluja' comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6a75BDoJqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6a75BDoJqg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 23, 2012, 12:57:53 AM
Mr Bean was introduced to Jason Carr's 'Halleluja' comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6a75BDoJqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6a75BDoJqg)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 23, 2012, 12:59:29 AM
Jaimie is deleting comments as we speak.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 23, 2012, 10:52:11 AM
Jaimie is deleting comments as we speak.

He's such a girl, and a girl with a sense of humour bypass.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 27, 2012, 01:47:34 PM
fresh off the presses.........we will all be relived to hear that:

"A move to Liverpool has to be for life, not just for Christmas," Jordan Henderson says.

"When I signed for Liverpool, I definitely wanted it to be long term. I want to make sure that when I am given opportunities I work hard and try to take them.

"It might be easier to throw a tantrum and walk away from a big club than fight to make it work."


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 27, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
fresh off the presses.........we will all be relived to hear that:

"A move to Liverpool has to be for life, not just for Christmas," Jordan Henderson says.

"When I signed for Liverpool, I definitely wanted it to be long term. I want to make sure that when I am given opportunities I work hard and try to take them.

"It might be easier to throw a tantrum and walk away from a big club than fight to make it work."

So now we know what Jordan didn't put on his Santa list.

If I was a cynic I'd say looking at the parts in bold that Jordan isn't expecting to be present at the club Christmas party in 2013.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on November 28, 2012, 02:05:43 AM
According to Tony Barrett we're in advanced talks to
re-sign Tom Ince from Blackpool...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 28, 2012, 10:33:10 AM
I don't mind having the player back, but with the player comes his Dad, who was the cause of the problems last time. Without him, Tom Ince would have probably signed a new contract and still been here.

However, all that's irrelevant - is signing a player like Tom Ince going to get us back into the top four, and then help us stay there?

I say that because I see no proof of FSG having the cash or being prepared to spend the cash (whichever it is) to assemble a squad to get us back into the top four and then improve that squad sufficently so that we don't drop back out again, within a season or three (do a Spurs).

 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 28, 2012, 03:48:28 PM
According to Tony Barrett we're in advanced talks to
re-sign Tom Ince from Blackpool...

20 million and he's ours.

mind, if we act quickly, we'll not have to fight off united, city, and real madrid.

I keep thinking, is there any form of embarrassment that the club has not put itself through in recent years.

almost bankruptcy, yankee carpet-baggers, buying carroll at 35 million, buying average players at ridiculous transfer fees, having to then lend out such misfits because others cannot afford their wages, buying high price players who are out on long term injuries, sacking CL winning bosses and appointing shi.te, appointing a sponsorship manager as chief executive, and now paying 5 million to buy back a kid that you let go for peanuts one year ago.

like I mean, is there anything I have missed.  Did we turn down the Beatles at some early 60s audition, citing guitar based bands are on the way out.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on November 28, 2012, 03:57:18 PM
20 million and he's ours.

mind, if we act quickly, we'll not have to fight off united, city, and real madrid.

I keep thinking, is there any form of embarrassment that the club has not put itself through in recent years.

almost bankruptcy, yankee carpet-baggers, buying carroll at 35 million, buying average players at ridiculous transfer fees, having to then lend out such misfits because others cannot afford their wages, buying high price players who are out on long term injuries, sacking CL winning bosses and appointing shi.te, appointing a sponsorship manager as chief executive, and now paying 5 million to buy back a kid that you let go for peanuts one year ago.

like I mean, is there anything I have missed.  Did we turn down the Beatles at some early 60s audition, citing guitar based bands are on the way out.

Karma can be a bitch but when did we run over her cat?

Agreed Dude, we seem to be doing our best to rival Ronnie Barker, Eric Morecome, Eric Sykes and Peter Sellars in terms of comic genius.

I don't blame the manager in this respect and I'd rather he didn't do the nose removing manoeuvre, where Ince is concerned, but it would have been nice for him to have still had the choice of selecting the player, but where Ince is concerned I think his Dad had by far the biggest influence on the situation than anyone at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on November 28, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Karma can be a bitch when did we run over her cat?

Agreed Dude, we seem to be doing our best to rival Ronnie Barker, Eric Morecome, Eric Sykes and Peter Sellars in terms of comic genius.

I don't blame the manager in this respect and I'd rather he didn't do the nose removing manoeuvre, where Ince is concerned, but it would have been nice for him to have still had the choice of selecting the player, but where Ince is concerned I think his Dad had by far the biggest influence on the situation than anyone at the club.

i haven;t followed the ince stuff much, Tes.  But I could imagine the father having a lot to say about things.

and for that reason, I would be quite happy to keep the inces out of anfield.

but i can also imagine sterling, and his advisors/family, getting restless at many junctures.

why can't modern players get on with it, and then open a pub (or off license), like they did in our day.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 01, 2012, 12:33:47 AM
Liverpool are considering a January move for Feyenoord's £3.5m-rated defender Stefan de Vrij, although that would be dependent on Sebastián Coates going out on loan.

SOURCE:  Saturday's Guardian
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 01, 2012, 12:36:19 AM
why the fig-leaf would Sebastian Coates be going out on loan?

have we bought another dud?

And I note that the Daily Mail is running with the same story.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on December 01, 2012, 12:39:28 PM
why the fig-leaf would Sebastian Coates be going out on loan?

have we bought another dud?

And I note that the Daily Mail is running with the same story.

Speaking of Coates. What do you make of him, Dude?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 01, 2012, 02:50:33 PM
Speaking of Coates. What do you make of him, Dude?

I haven't seen enough of him, Martin, to form a decent opinion.

But it concerns me, that after being at the club a fair while now (a year and a half), that he has featured so little in the premiership.

Is there doubts about his abilities, among our backroom staff.  I dunno. 

I'd like to see more of him, to form an opinion myself.

You, what are your thoughts on the lad?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on December 01, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
I haven't seen enough of him, Martin, to form a decent opinion.

But it concerns me, that after being at the club a fair while now (a year and a half), that he has featured so little in the premiership.

Is there doubts about his abilities, among our backroom staff.  I dunno. 

I'd like to see more of him, to form an opinion myself.

You, what are your thoughts on the lad?

Like you, and most LFC fans we've not seen enough of him to form an opinion. The few times I've seen him he looks very competent in both directions. He has a tendency to make silly mistakes  and look caught out of position quite often but if that's a reusult of the very limited time in the team or if it reflects his true quality I don't know. One thing I know is that  I wonder why Brendan persists with Carra. If he's gonna suck up to the Kop at least he's gorra do it without insulting its intelligence which I think he does when he pick Carra ahead of Coates.

Oh, and don't play Henderson. Thank you. I feel for the lad, really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 01, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
I've yet to see anything that makes me think 'what have we done now, more wasted money'.

He's certainly got technical ability, isn't a bad reader of the game even at his age. I think the only thing you could really question with him is his concentration. He's prone to a lapse now and again at what can prove to be a critical time.

I certainly wouldn't be looking to move him on, not permanently, and if he goes out on loan, do we really have the cover, not just numbers, but of sufficent quality.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 01, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
Bafetimbi Gomis 'holds talks with Liverpool over January transfer'

By Jamie Sanderson - 30th November, 2012

Reds manager Brendan Rodgers is targeting at least one new striker when the transfer window opens in January, with Luis Suarez being the club's only option up front at present.

Athletic Bilbao hitman Fernando Llorente and Valencia poacher Roberto Soldado are just two of the players who have been linked with moves to Anfield, but both would blow huge holes in Rodgers’ modest budget.

Instead, the club are said to have turned to Lyon powerhouse Gomis, who has a proven record as a goalscorer - bagging at least 10 in each of the last six seasons.

The 27-year-old looks like he will add this season to that list too, having already scored nine times, leading to speculation of a move away.

That talk has intensified in the last few days, with scouts from a number of clubs watching Gomis score a stunning hat-trick for Lyon in midweek.

One of the watching sides was Liverpool, who have now made an approach to Lyon to try and negotiate a deal, according to French magazine Le 10 Sport.

The publication claims Liverpool representatives have offered around £8million for the striker, who has 10 caps for France and has previously been linked with Real Madrid.

Gomis is currently secured to Lyon until 2014.


http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/919492-bafetimbi-gomis-holds-talks-with-liverpool-over-january-transfer (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/919492-bafetimbi-gomis-holds-talks-with-liverpool-over-january-transfer)

Not too sure what to make of him. Was 'the next big thing' when at St Etienne, but somehow hasn't pushed on to become what was expected of him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 01, 2012, 07:31:01 PM
Like you, and most LFC fans we've not seen enough of him to form an opinion. The few times I've seen him he looks very competent in both directions. He has a tendency to make silly mistakes  and look caught out of position quite often but if that's a reusult of the very limited time in the team or if it reflects his true quality I don't know. One thing I know is that  I wonder why Brendan persists with Carra. If he's gonna suck up to the Kop at least he's gorra do it without insulting its intelligence which I think he does when he pick Carra ahead of Coates.

That pretty much sums it up nicely, Martin. It's one of those where he 'looks like he might' or 'he looks to have' but there's no hard confirmation to tip the scales one way or the other.

Seems much more of a certainty at International, than club level.

As for Carra, it's hard to know the manager's thinking. Admittedly, he's been used less than last season, so has made fewer mistakes, but this surely has to be his last season, at last playing for us, but giving him a last hurrah must cause Coates' progress to be stunted.
It's the same with Gerrard. If he was a younger player, or maybe less of a 'name' then would he be getting as much game time as he has based purely on performances given and not on the 'possibility' of what he 'may' do.
I think his continued international career is doing nothing for us and will become more detrimental with each extra, pointless game he plays.
Somehow I can't see him doing 'a Carra' or 'a Scholes' and knocking it on the head to prolong his contribution at club level.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 01, 2012, 07:49:26 PM
Wilfried Bony has held transfer talks with Liverpool and Chelsea - agent

By Jamie Sanderson - 29th November, 2012


Bony is currently considered one of the best strikers in Europe, having enjoyed a remarkable purple patch since moving to Dutch football.

Scoring 30 goals in his last 49 games, it is this sort of form that has seen him linked with moves to some of the biggest clubs around including Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham.

And it appears that chatter is not far wrong, with the player’s agent Dalibor Lacina confirming there has already been contact with two of the clubs, Liverpool and Chelsea, about a possible move.

‘Liverpool are one of the clubs who have been considering him,’ Lacina told isport.blesk.cz.

‘We have been in talks with them. It is clear that Bony has attracted interest due to his good performances and consistency.

‘Chelsea is another club that are very interested.'

Both Liverpool and Chelsea are in the hunt for extra fire power in the new year, and with Bony bagging his 15th goal of an already impressive season at the weekend he is a man in form.

Vitesse are unlikely to part with Bony easily though, with reports in Holland suggesting they won’t sell for anything less than £15million.


http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/919407-wilfried-bony-has-held-talks-with-liverpool-and-chelsea-says-agent (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/919407-wilfried-bony-has-held-talks-with-liverpool-and-chelsea-says-agent)

It's whether he's another Afonso Alves / Mateja Kežman or a Van Persie / Van Nistelrooy.

Maybe if he was called Wilfried Van Bony we'd be fine signing him.

Also, he'd go missing every other January/February for the African Nations Cup, at a time you need to utilise a squad system probably more than at any other time of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 01, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
English clubs understood to be among those looking at Asker's Vajebah Sakor

By Ejder Akbal November 30, 2012


A number of English clubs are believed to be among those keeping a close eye on Asker's teenage midfielder Vajebah Sakor.

The 16-year-old is considered to be one of the brightest prospects to have emerged from Norwegian football for some time.

It has not taken long for his obvious potential to be noted, with clubs from across Europe closely monitoring his progress.

Manchester City, Liverpool and Arsenal are reported to be keen on adding Sakor to their ranks, with scouting missions having been sent out.

Asker, of the Norwegian second division, appreciate that they have some talent on their hands and have conceded that a deal is likely to be struck soon.

"We know that there is a lot of interest in Vajebah but we are yet to receive a concrete offer from abroad," Asker's sporting director Espen Falck told TV2.

"We know he is wanted by a lot of clubs in Europe.

"Any interested clubs will have to move fast as he is set to leave us soon."

Sakor made his debut for Asker at the age of 15, making him the youngest player to ever turn out in the Norwegian second tier.


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11679/8297534 (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11679/8297534)

It's about time we had another Norwegian.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 03, 2012, 02:44:55 AM
That pretty much sums it up nicely, Martin. It's one of those where he 'looks like he might' or 'he looks to have' but there's no hard confirmation to tip the scales one way or the other.

Seems much more of a certainty at International, than club level.

As for Carra, it's hard to know the manager's thinking. Admittedly, he's been used less than last season, so has made fewer mistakes, but this surely has to be his last season, at last playing for us, but giving him a last hurrah must cause Coates' progress to be stunted.
It's the same with Gerrard. If he was a younger player, or maybe less of a 'name' then would he be getting as much game time as he has based purely on performances given and not on the 'possibility' of what he 'may' do.
I think his continued international career is doing nothing for us and will become more detrimental with each extra, pointless game he plays.
Somehow I can't see him doing 'a Carra' or 'a Scholes' and knocking it on the head to prolong his contribution at club level.
Like you, and most LFC fans we've not seen enough of him to form an opinion. The few times I've seen him he looks very competent in both directions. He has a tendency to make silly mistakes  and look caught out of position quite often but if that's a reusult of the very limited time in the team or if it reflects his true quality I don't know. One thing I know is that  I wonder why Brendan persists with Carra. If he's gonna suck up to the Kop at least he's gorra do it without insulting its intelligence which I think he does when he pick Carra ahead of Coates.

Oh, and don't play Henderson. Thank you. I feel for the lad, really.


thing is, when you hear that we are looking to loan a player out, that is a very bad sign.

when have you ever heard of players coming back from loans, to have meaningful careers at Anfield.

very worrisome noises, if true re Coates.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on December 03, 2012, 08:58:13 AM

thing is, when you hear that we are looking to loan a player out, that is a very bad sign.

when have you ever heard of players coming back from loans, to have meaningful careers at Anfield.

very worrisome noises, if true re Coates.

It is indeed and there's no prior example we shouldn't be. It may be he doesn't fit in with Rodgers' plans but did he really get a chance to prove that? All I know is that he was highly rated before coming here.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 03, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
I don't see, that in match play, he's done badly enough to warrant being considered for loan. He has made some errrors, but so have other centre halves and centre half is the position where age and experience is the biggest difference maker and the apprenticeship lasts the longest.

Hope it's not a case of simply wanting 'his own players'. Coates is a Liverpool player, Rodgers took over as Liverpool, ergo Coates is 'his player'.

I think it will prove ill thought out if we were to let him go before he's had a proper run(s) in the team and not in the circumstances that make it too easy for him to fail or be the one easiy blamed.

We're not exactly sloshing in the green stuff, so replacing Coates would also be a very poor use of limited finances and a problem that simply isn't and doesn't need addressing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on December 03, 2012, 08:07:01 PM
Coates was first spotted when he played in the Uruguayan winning team which beat Brazil and Argentina amongst others, if he can play against class like that then surely he can get more than a run out than Carra...he was also voted best young player in south america....he's 22...

Rodgers stated quite clearly that all players would get a chance...but maybe (to paraphrase orwell) some have more chances than others...

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 03, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Coates was first spotted when he played in the Uruguayan winning team which beat Brazil and Argentina amongst others, if he can play against class like that then surely he can get more than a run out than Carra...he was also voted best young player in south america....he's 22...

Rodgers stated quite clearly that all players would get a chance...but maybe (to paraphrase orwell) some have more chances than others...

It's another head scratcher, that's for sure.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 03, 2012, 09:03:43 PM
Think all our players who love to have a crack
from distance and it gets saved (Enrique the
other day). Nobody in the side to follow up the
way Dirk used.

Easily fixed!

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/demba-ba-2-newcastle-v-wigan/

Is he playing the African thingy?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 03, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
Think all our players who love to have a crack
from distance and it gets saved (Enrique the
other day). Nobody in the side to follow up the
way Dirk used.

Easily fixed!

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/demba-ba-2-newcastle-v-wigan/



Demba's been Ba'ed from www.101greatgoals.com
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 03, 2012, 09:59:58 PM
Is he playing the African thingy?

The race card?




*expects letter from Peter Herbert to drop through the letterbox by Thursday.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 03, 2012, 10:18:55 PM
taxi for Sebastian.

I'll get my coates.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 03, 2012, 10:28:29 PM
You can why the only viewers on here are bots, the last three posts have been excruciating.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 04, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
 :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 02:20:33 PM
much more speculation in the papers today that we are buying Sturridge.  Blody nora.

and also plan to dump Pepe Reina and bring in two keepers - young lad called Jack Butland and a German lad that Fergie decided to let go 2 years ago (Hannover keeper, Ron-Robert Zieler)     Bloddy nora.

and one or two stories again today about us buying Ince from Blackpool.

Sorry, but there is no good news to report.

We are building for mid-table oblivion (when you add the above deals, to Borini and Allen)


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on December 05, 2012, 05:32:13 PM
So you believe everything you read in the press eh? Surely not?  :'(

There is some credibility to the Sturridge story. He's sitting on his backside at Chelsea so will be hungry. That's the sort of player we want. And just because he didn't fit Chelsea's style doesn't mean he won't fit in with ours.

Of course you could buy someone who fitted in at his old club so logically he must do well for us. Oh, hang on. That didn't work for Torres did it? There are no guarantees in football. Every move has risk. It's down to judgement and a degree of luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 05, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
We are building for mid-table oblivion (when you add the above deals, to Borini and Allen)
& subtract Gerrard (and lbh he's hardly vital these days) and Luis
from the team in 18 months time.

Leaves us heavily reliant on top class scouting and youth coaching +
shrewd signings.

Unless the other teams in the division are wholly inept at these
things and I seriously, seriously doubt that.

To make an argument that a paradigm shifting footballing dynasty with
a perennial grip on the title is on the way is just too stupid to entertain.

As we meander our way toward stability over the next 4 seasons with
yo-yo ing league positions as different pieces fall in and out of place
before gently resting as a team that aspires to finish 4th each year with
a decent cup run for good measure and no pretensions to dine at
Europe's elite table...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 07:06:36 PM
Butland's been in poor form this season. Granted that's also the charge levelled at Pepe, but the levels they're dropping from is very different.

I'd rather we held fire on Pepe. With what's likely to be limited funds, I'd rather we used them elsewhere.

When / if we look at a keeper I'd rather it be someone like Marc-Andre Ter Stegen. It's probably a shame Chelsea have Thibaut Courtois as he's looked promising when I've seen him for Atletico Madrid, but apparently he had a bit of a mare against Real, then again, he wouldn't be the first keeper that could apply to.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 07:32:13 PM
Not sure where these rumours about Mohamed Diame for circa £6M from West Ham. The same Mohamed Diame then went there on a free in the Summer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 07:39:00 PM
The other problem with the Summer window farce is the danger of being forced to or paying over the odds anyway, if FSG react poorly and 'feel the need' to 'splash out'.
Overpaying in January only adds to, it doesn't make up for the Summer. The best way of re-addressing or making up for the Summer, is to learn from it and not repeat it. Not feel inclined or obligated into overpaying. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 05, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
Please God don't let us buy Tom Ince. There is a very good reason why we didn't try hard enough to retain him.

Plus we have the younger and superior Sterling.

I wouldn't mind Sturridge for the right price as long as we get a goal scorer as well. Then we can have Suarez, Borini, Sturridge and A N Other striker as our options.

Also TBH I wouldn't mind replacing Reina at all. He has been far below his ability level for 2 seasons now. 6 months - 1 year could be a blip and forgiven for his past brilliance. But 2 years now he has been well below he capability level.

I haven't seen enough of Butland to judge him. However there are 2 gk's in the premier league that can do a job for us in the next 2-3 year and are gettable, plus whilst not world class they are very consistent and thus reliable:-

Al Habsi, Ruddy and Vorm. If we get Butland too then I go for that. Al Habsi and Butland would be a good combo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
So you believe everything you read in the press eh? Surely not?  :'(
why do you give more credibility to the Sturridge story, and poo-poo the other stories?  Unless you have inside knowledge, then you are no more knowledgable than the rest of us.

There is some credibility to the Sturridge story. He's sitting on his backside at Chelsea so will be hungry. That's the sort of player we want.

there are hundreds of players sitting on their backside.

as for being hungry, it's skill levels that we are primarily after, not hunger. 

I have been sitting on my backside for years, am very hungry, but won't be playing premiership football anytime soon. 



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
Not sure where these rumours about Mohamed Diame for circa £6M from West Ham. The same Mohamed Diame then went there on a free in the Summer.

sounds like the type of lad we have been in the market for, in recent years.

snap him up Pam Ayres, lest his price goes higher.

I'd rather we held fire on Pepe. With what's likely to be limited funds, I'd rather we used them elsewhere.

madness, selling Pepe.  I find it farcical, selling our most talented people (like Kuyt in the summer).

we have limited funds.  The last thing we need is a new keeper.

Pepe is proven quality.  He is now entering the best years for a keeper.  His abilities, especially his distribution, are key.  Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 10:00:50 PM
As we meander our way toward stability over the next 4 seasons with
yo-yo ing league positions as different pieces fall in and out of place
before gently resting as a team that aspires to finish 4th each year with
a decent cup run for good measure and no pretensions to dine at
Europe's elite table...

you are more optimistic than me, Ed.

we are shipping out top class players, and replacing them with mid-table sh.ite.

players like Allen, Borini, Sturridge, Henderson, Downing, etc are never going to have us competing at the top table.

I'm not even convinced that our management or scouts are aware of the level of player that is needed at the highest level.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 05, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
you are more optimistic than me, Ed.
Tbh I don't see us winning any silverware under Rodgers. Nada, nix...
he doesn't have the killer instinct, missing the i in tiger!

It's a special talent winning things and to do it in adverse circumstances
even more so. Our boy talks a lot but it was Lucas Leiva (a lad identified
by a previous manager for his character) who engineered our home victory
against the Saints.

Sure we'll tick boxes of progress against short-term objectives allied with
grand strategic plans that can be signed off by management and presented to
the chiefs but we'll hit a ceiling and not reach beyond it, imo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on December 05, 2012, 10:36:06 PM
why do you give more credibility to the Sturridge story, and poo-poo the other stories?  Unless you have inside knowledge, then you are no more knowledgable than the rest of us.
Will this do? I at least post a link.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9706933/Rodgers-hopes-move-for-Sturridge-will-not-be-affected-by-changes-at-Chelsea.html

Quote
there are hundreds of players sitting on their backside.

as for being hungry, it's skill levels that we are primarily after, not hunger. 

I have been sitting on my backside for years, am very hungry, but won't be playing premiership football anytime soon. 

Haven't you previously said we need players who are hungry to play? What's the alternative? Someone who doesn't care whether he plays or not? Like Joe Cole perhaps?

And as for the situation with Pepe you might believe this. Then again, probably not. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-news-rodgers-denies-1474467
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 10:58:07 PM
Will this do? I at least post a link.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9706933/Rodgers-hopes-move-for-Sturridge-will-not-be-affected-by-changes-at-Chelsea.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9706933/Rodgers-hopes-move-for-Sturridge-will-not-be-affected-by-changes-at-Chelsea.html)

Haven't you previously said we need players who are hungry to play? What's the alternative? Someone who doesn't care whether he plays or not? Like Joe Cole perhaps?

And as for the situation with Pepe you might believe this. Then again, probably not. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-news-rodgers-denies-1474467 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-news-rodgers-denies-1474467)

well which is it?

you berate me for supposedly believing all that I read in the papers.

and then in the next breath, you post newspaper links.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 10:58:50 PM
Please God don't let us buy Tom Ince. There is a very good reason why we didn't try hard enough to retain him.

Plus we have the younger and superior Sterling.

I wouldn't mind Sturridge for the right price as long as we get a goal scorer as well. Then we can have Suarez, Borini, Sturridge and A N Other striker as our options.

Also TBH I wouldn't mind replacing Reina at all. He has been far below his ability level for 2 seasons now. 6 months - 1 year could be a blip and forgiven for his past brilliance. But 2 years now he has been well below he capability level.

I haven't seen enough of Butland to judge him. However there are 2 gk's in the premier league that can do a job for us in the next 2-3 year and are gettable, plus whilst not world class they are very consistent and thus reliable:-

Al Habsi, Ruddy and Vorm. If we get Butland too then I go for that. Al Habsi and Butland would be a good combo.

Maybe Ruddy, big maybe.

Minolet of Sunderland is one to watch, and one who is on an overall upward curve, I think.

If, in a parallel universe, where we had sufficent funds, then my choice to replace Pepe, if the need arose for whatever reason, would be Asmir Begovic of Stoke.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 11:00:59 PM
well which is it?

you berate me for supposedly believing all that I read in the papers.

and then in the next breath, you post newspaper links.

Advantage Dude. Ray to serve to save the set.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on December 05, 2012, 11:09:42 PM
well which is it?

you berate me for supposedly believing all that I read in the papers.

and then in the next breath, you post newspaper links.

You believe what you want dude and I'll do the same. I do wonder why you support the club when you seem to respect nothing about it whatsoever. You call the manager a gobs.hite and players shi.te. How can I take anyone who uses such terms seriously? Do me a favour and support another team.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on December 05, 2012, 11:11:17 PM
Advantage Dude. Ray to serve to save the set.  ;D

I couldn't give a monkey's Tes. I'm fed up with his constant negativity. Funny how he hasn't mentioned Martin O'Neill recently. I wonder why!!!!!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 11:15:56 PM
You believe what you want dude and I'll do the same. I do wonder why you support the club when you seem to respect nothing about it whatsoever. You call the manager a gobs.hite and players shi.te. How can I take anyone who uses such terms seriously? Do me a favour and support another team.

there you go again, weasling off.

cornered as usual, totally snookered, your effort at firing abuse totally backfiring.  And as usual, like someone else we know, trying to change the subject matter when cornered.  Like it's not as if others cannae see what's going on.

if you;re gonna fecking abuse me, at least try and think the thing through. 

but don;t berate me for believing all that I read in the papers, and then shi.tting in your own nest by posting newspaper links in your very next post.

*new balls*   :D


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 11:18:05 PM
With Enrique being re-born further forward have we inadvertantly created a problem at left back?

Downing has shown he's not the answer there either, Robinson is too young yet, so other than play Johnson there and lose his attacking flair on his natural side, is there a case to move a left back much higher up the list of priorities and requirements?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on December 05, 2012, 11:18:30 PM
Dude, p**s off!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 11:20:03 PM
I couldn't give a monkey's Tes. I'm fed up with his constant negativity. Funny how he hasn't mentioned Martin O'Neill recently. I wonder why!!!!!!!

Simply trying to lighten the mood, Ray and stop this developing into a to and fro'. My bad for trying.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 11:20:23 PM
I couldn't give a monkey's Tes. I'm fed up with his constant negativity. Funny how he hasn't mentioned Martin O'Neill recently. I wonder why!!!!!!!

bloddy ell, here we go......again, when cornered, you ignore the discussion and fire abuse on other entirely unrelated  issues.

you haven;t mentioned the moon landings, the suez crisis, or the ryder cup, recently.  I wonder why!!!!!

heck, I could get to like playing this game, of firing unrelated matter when cornered.   :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 05, 2012, 11:21:50 PM
Dude, p**s off!!
:o (Family forum!)

You cannot be serious!  ;D

(http://hotelivory.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mc-enroe.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 11:22:07 PM
Jeez, and I thought I got the grumps when it got cold.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
:o (Family forum!)

You cannot be serious!  ;D

(http://hotelivory.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mc-enroe.jpg)

Is that a huge caterpillar crawling up his shorts?  :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 11:25:46 PM
Ray, you're cold.

Come over to the tropics and enjoy the heat.  It is 6.22pm and around 24 degrees (mid 70s).

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 05, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
bad light appears to have brought play to a close.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 05, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
Even JPM doesn't look to happy about proceedings. Though I'd not be surprised about him being cold in those shorts.

He seems to have turned ginger in his old age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McEnroe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McEnroe)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 06, 2012, 12:04:19 AM
yes, he does appear to have turned ginger.

when you think about it, he was ahead of his time, back then, using the brattish tantrums when he was in a corner, getting beaten, and needed to put his opponent off.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 06, 2012, 12:06:55 AM
yes, he does appear to have turned ginger.

when you think about it, he was ahead of his time, back then, using the brattish tantrums when he was in a corner, getting beaten, and needed to put his opponent off.

The Luis Suarez of his day.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 06, 2012, 12:08:16 AM
yes, he does appear to have turned ginger.

Either that or they mistakenly used a picture of Paddy Ashdown.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 06, 2012, 12:12:55 AM
The Luis Suarez of his day.  ;D

 ;D

i must say that I suspect it must be a nightmare playing against Suarez.  He reminds me of a real wind-up merchant who will take the pi.ss and laugh at his opponents.

and I think there might be a little more to his mischievouvness, but I would not be prepared to air all my thoughts in public on the matter.



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 06, 2012, 12:33:44 AM
;D

i must say that I suspect it must be a nightmare playing against Suarez.  He reminds me of a real wind-up merchant who will take the pi.ss and laugh at his opponents.

and I think there might be a little more to his mischievouvness, but I would not be prepared to air all my thoughts in public on the matter.

It's the flaw that allows for the genius.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 06, 2012, 12:39:07 AM
And our new goalkeeper, soon to sign is (drum roll, please. Dam n you, I ask for a drum roll and I get given a forward roll) is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243641/Brad-Jones-sign-new-deal-Liverpool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243641/Brad-Jones-sign-new-deal-Liverpool.html)

So we're sticking not twisting. All things considered, it's not that bad. We have far greater spending priorities. I'd go as far as saying goals from midfield is ahead of goalkeeping changes in the list of squad requirements and changes.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 06, 2012, 01:10:10 AM
LFC media watch have this story today:

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/media-watch/talksport-honda-could-make-reds-move (http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/media-watch/talksport-honda-could-make-reds-move)

As do the Gruadain, however Talksport also had the same story on Friday 4th March 2011:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/5668/4/borussia-dortmund-do-battle-liverpool-over-%C2%A313m-honda (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/5668/4/borussia-dortmund-do-battle-liverpool-over-%C2%A313m-honda)

And in between on Wednesday April 25th 2012 was a slightly different one, this time having us in competition with Galatasaray:

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120425/galatasaray-join-liverpool-honda-chase-170638 (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120425/galatasaray-join-liverpool-honda-chase-170638)

Safe to say Santa won't be bringing Rodgers a Honda.



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 06, 2012, 01:56:56 AM
my first Honda (in this warm tropical paradise) was so good, that I bought a second Honda.

And when in the UK, all my lawn-mowers were Hondas.   Superb machines.

Superb engine.   

They make great midfielders.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 07, 2012, 12:31:16 AM
my first Honda (in this warm tropical paradise) was so good, that I bought a second Honda.

And when in the UK, all my lawn-mowers were Hondas.   Superb machines.

Superb engine.   

They make great midfielders.

Totally agree on the mowers Dude. Wouldn't touch another.

Likewise the cars. Not always the most stylish, but then what good is style when the only person who ever gets to see it is a mechanic.

Getting Honda would not only make sense on the pitch but also off it. It would be like having a free transfer, literally, as he would pay for himself with the increased revenue from Asia. Likewise our main sponsor would be pleased and probably more likely to sign up again, seeing the increased exposure they'd get in their key market, and any American companies the owners were thinking of getting on board as sponsors/partners, again, would jump at the increased Far Eastern exposure they'd get being associated with us.

The Asian market is huge, absolutely monstrous, and so many fans there tend to follow or indentify with a player and then follow the club he plays for, as opposed to chosing a club first and then following/idolising a player from that club.

Win/win situations don't come along very often and Far Eastern players tend to do well in the PL.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 07, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
Totally agree on the mowers Dude. Wouldn't touch another.

Likewise the cars. Not always the most stylish, but then what good is style when the only person who ever gets to see it is a mechanic.

Getting Honda would not only make sense on the pitch but also off it. It would be like having a free transfer, literally, as he would pay for himself with the increased revenue from Asia. Likewise our main sponsor would be pleased and probably more likely to sign up again, seeing the increased exposure they'd get in their key market, and any American companies the owners were thinking of getting on board as sponsors/partners, again, would jump at the increased Far Eastern exposure they'd get being associated with us.

The Asian market is huge, absolutely monstrous, and so many fans there tend to follow or indentify with a player and then follow the club he plays for, as opposed to chosing a club first and then following/idolising a player from that club.

Win/win situations don't come along very often and Far Eastern players tend to do well in the PL.

good to see another Honda mower appreciator.

every October I would put my honda mower in the garage for the winter, and every March/April would bring her out again.....and she''d start first pull every time.  I had a chain saw the same way.    There is nothing worse that pulling and pulling to try and start an engine, each time she stops/is closed down.

I had two honda mowers, standard and a new large one.  Superb.

love my Honda cars here.  In the second/third world, it is important to buy one of only 3 or 4 makes (because hard to get parts for other makes).  So smart folk here learn to buy either Honda, Mitsibushi, Nissan.

Yes, an Asian Honda midfielder would pay for himself.  Great engine, financially well-oiled, always starts first-time, little noise when idling, etc. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 08, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
Honda would an incredible signing thus I can't see it happening  :(
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 09, 2012, 12:15:25 AM
Honda would an incredible signing thus I can't see it happening  :(

Agree and agree. It'll be some overated English player, overpriced and over renumerated.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 11, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Reina being linked with Arsenal again. Some sort of swap with Walcott.

Whilst there's far worse players we could sign than Walcott, having to try and find a replacement for Reina in the January window is something we simply shouldn't contemplate.
Even with the cash difference we'd receive we'd neither afford a good enough replacement, (and in any case, we should always be looking to improve on, not simply replace) or have enough to convince another club to part with their first choice keeper by making them an 'offer they couldn't refuse'. The days should be gone where we make those sorts of offers, ala Carroll, Downing and Henderson.

An improvement on Pepe would require us to add cash to what we received from Arsenal. Are our owners really going to provide enough cash for two quality forward players with some left over to put to a replacement goalkeeper.

Also there's a case for cover at defensive midfield and a left back if Enrique is to be re-deployed. Forget Glenn Johnson at left back, at least not permanently, Agger's a centre half and Robinson's too young yet to be relied upon full time. Then we have to address the lack of obvious creativity in midfield.
And even two forward players in January could do with reinforcing further.

So goalkeeper doesn't even appear on the long list of priorities
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 11, 2012, 08:25:37 PM
Sturridge rumours keep ramping up. No too sure about him anymore.

Edward, have you heard any news on this one?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 11, 2012, 08:33:37 PM
Why is it that we always seem to get linked the heaviest with English players. Have none of our scouts got a passport?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 11, 2012, 09:01:20 PM
Honda would an incredible signing thus I can't see it happening  :(

as Sir Bobby subtly referred to it (re Paul Gascoigne); refuelling is a problem.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 11, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
Why is it that we always seem to get linked the heaviest with English players. Have none of our scouts got a passport?

and the english ones we are linked with, are the crappiest/marginal ones

e.g. downing, henderson, sturridge, etc.

we need european (and beyond) top notch technical players, not sunday league lads from yorkshire.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 11, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Tes re: Sturridge. No I haven't heard anything concrete. Just that we are interested, but have not made any official enquiry let alone a bid. Same with Walcott.

Its pretty quiet on the transfer front tbh.

There may be more "left field" Signings like the ones we made with Assaidi.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 11, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
and the english ones we are linked with, are the crappiest/marginal ones

e.g. downing, henderson, sturridge, etc.

we need european (and beyond) top notch technical players, not sunday league lads from yorkshire.

I know it's mainly media guesswork but it's always the most uninspiring players we are linked with. The likes of Ajax and Porto are so good at finding 'unknowns' and turning them into 'very well knowns'. I realise that work permits are a major issue in this country, (though who knows why from a country that seems to let anyone else come and live here) whereas the other European countries are much more relaxed about young players being able to come and work with no problems.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 11, 2012, 10:50:59 PM
I know it's mainly media guesswork but it's always the most uninspiring players we are linked with. The likes of Ajax and Porto are so good at finding 'unknowns' and turning them into 'very well knowns'. I realise that work permits are a major issue in this country, (though who knows why from a country that seems to let anyone else come and live here) whereas the other European countries are much more relaxed about young players being able to come and work with no problems.

sadly Tes, I think we are run, from top to bottom, as a club, by second-rate folk.

the club that we grew up with, that dominated british and european football, is now gone.

even the dying embers of our dominant era have now faded.

we have not won the league in over 20 years, and our time has gone.

I am a great believer in having the finest people at the very top of the club - e.g. a john smith, or a peter robinson (or a david dein, etc).   

I don't even believe that the present lot would even be able to identify the type of top-notch footballer that a club that hopes to win titles, needs.

we have spent three years bringing in bog standard players (carroll, downing, henderson, borini, allen, and probably  sturridge in the future) whilst shipping out superb lads.

our league position is no accident.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 11, 2012, 11:28:54 PM
sadly Tes, I think we are run, from top to bottom, as a club, by second-rate folk.

the club that we grew up with, that dominated british and european football, is now gone.

even the dying embers of our dominant era have now faded.

we have not won the league in over 20 years, and our time has gone.

I am a great believer in having the finest people at the very top of the club - e.g. a john smith, or a peter robinson (or a david dein, etc).   

I don't even believe that the present lot would even be able to identify the type of top-notch footballer that a club that hopes to win titles, needs.

we have spent three years bringing in bog standard players (carroll, downing, henderson, borini, allen, and probably  sturridge in the future) whilst shipping out superb lads.

our league position is no accident.

And here's a perfect example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/11/liverpool-daniel-sturridge-tom-ince (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/11/liverpool-daniel-sturridge-tom-ince)

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/364182 (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/364182)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2246684/Daniel-Sturridge-Thomas-Ince-closer-Liverpool-switch.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2246684/Daniel-Sturridge-Thomas-Ince-closer-Liverpool-switch.html)

One, a player we could have brought in two years ago plus £40M when Torres left, giving us a striker for the UEFA Cup that season instead of a crocked Carroll, and giving a hefty boost to that Summer's budget.
The other, a player we had but let go. Ince was acting the big shot and his Dad was acting how you'd fully expect the self titled 'guvnor' to behave. So what's changed? And probably the only player we've had a sell-on clause for, designed to benefit us, and what happens, the club we sold to sells the player on to us.

It's all enough to make you weep. We even manage to outdo Newcastle under Freddy Sheppard.

I bet every day Rodgers come across another piece of incompetance. I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy.

Luis' going to be so unhappy.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 12, 2012, 12:08:42 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2246681/Manchester-United-lead-race-Theo-Walcott-Manchester-City-Liverpool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2246681/Manchester-United-lead-race-Theo-Walcott-Manchester-City-Liverpool.html)

I hope this doesn't happen. If it comes to a choice between Walcott and Sturridge, I'd rather have the former. His star's on the rise whereas Sturridge's gets dimmer every month.

And why we'd pay more than £10M for Sturridge is beyond me. He's not been a first team regular since his loan spell at Bolton, so his value should have dipped below the £10M mentioned in January 2010.


The more things change the more they stay the same at our club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 12, 2012, 12:33:18 AM
One, a player we could have brought in two years ago plus £40M when Torres left, giving us a striker for the UEFA Cup that season instead of a crocked Carroll, and giving a hefty boost to that Summer's budget.
The other, a player we had but let go. Ince was acting the big shot and his Dad was acting how you'd fully expect the self titled 'guvnor' to behave. So what's changed? And probably the only player we've had a sell-on clause for, designed to benefit us, and what happens, the club we sold to sells the player on to us.

It's all enough to make you weep. We even manage to outdo Newcastle under Freddy Sheppard.

agreed.

the club is a shambles.

as I said in the summer, I have made my mind up about our yankee owners.  They need to sell up and move on. 

unless some arab sheik buys the club, we are never gonna be  able to compete financially with man city or chelsea, or united.  Thus, to counter their vast wealth (or debt, in utd's case), we have to operate stealthily, with the most efficient people running the club. Top notch folks doing top notch intelligent work.

Such people are not gonna run the club while our yankee owners are in place.

they need to move on. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 12, 2012, 01:41:24 AM
Thus, to counter their vast wealth (or debt, in utd's case), we have to operate stealthily, with the most efficient people running the club. Top notch folks doing top notch intelligent work.

I wouldn't be bothered about the nationality of the ownership, but I'd them to have the financial strength to invest. Prodominantly in setting up and devloping the academy with the best coaches to produce both first team players, squad players and players who would be regularly sold on to boost the transfer kitty and help make us as self funding as possible.
Likewise through setting up a top class worldwide network of scouts to make the sort of purchases for relatively modest amounts that Wenger has done over the years, but to be able to hold onto them, due to success.
I don't mind the 'odd large purchase' where you can't produce that player so you do have to make the occasional strategic 'big ticket' purchase.

I rather see the investment go in those directions and through a top CEO, with equally as efficent staff working at all administrative levels, so we could buy low, sell high and not need to furnish the club with mercenaries in order to bring success and hopefully keep players through constant success rather than because it 'paid' to be at the club, and therefore the club and success on offer attracted players rather than the sky high salaries, which for the most part could then be avoided.

Overall a blend of Arsenal, Porto, Dortmund - for their ability to bring in low cost players and develop them, Ajax and Barca - for their academy strength and Bayern Munich for it's organisational and revenue generating ability.

Not really asking for much, then.    :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 12, 2012, 04:56:23 PM
setting up and devloping the academy with the best coaches to produce both first team players, squad players and players who would be regularly sold on to boost the transfer kitty and help make us as self funding as possible.
Likewise through setting up a top class worldwide network of scouts to make the sort of purchases for relatively modest amounts that Wenger has done over the years, but to be able to hold onto them, due to success.
I don't mind the 'odd large purchase' where you can't produce that player so you do have to make the occasional strategic 'big ticket' purchase.

I rather see the investment go in those directions and through a top CEO, with equally as efficent staff working at all administrative levels, so we could buy low, sell high and not need to furnish the club with mercenaries in order to bring success and hopefully keep players through constant success rather than because it 'paid' to be at the club, and therefore the club and success on offer attracted players rather than the sky high salaries, which for the most part could then be avoided.

Overall a blend of Arsenal, Porto, Dortmund - for their ability to bring in low cost players and develop them, Ajax and Barca - for their academy strength and Bayern Munich for it's organisational and revenue generating ability.

Not really asking for much, then.    :D

aye, not asking much!  Merely the ultimate club scenario.   :D

unless our owners suddenly undergo a sea-change in attitude, see the light, and suddenly show interest and humility, we will not get close to basic workings, farless ultimate workings.

the yanks have to sell up.   They are stupid on football and personnel matters, and show no signs of bringing in top-notch people to run the club.



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 12, 2012, 09:21:54 PM
They are stupid on football and personnel matters, and show no signs of bringing in top-notch people to run the club.

That's the puzzling aspect in all this. They don't have the knowledge so install a team of people who do and make appointments to the board that can guide and advise the American board members and who can also overlook what the CEO is doing and advise on his effectiveness etc. Commercial appointments would be backed up with both football and business orientated knowledge and perspective, whilst the football board members are likely to know who's done what equivalent or similar jobs, at which clubs and how successful or not they were. Comolli being the perfect case in point. Would football people have appointed him as a DoF considering  Spurs' and St Etienne's experiences with him? More than doubtful. 

It's as though they don't want to make the most out of their investment.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 12, 2012, 10:45:00 PM
As Sturridge is getting the big build up atm, whether we want him or not, what is the maximum you think we should pay?

Considering we were offered him for (or he was valued at) £10M in the Torres deal and factoring in that apart from earlier on last season, he hasn't exactly been a regular, it would be madness to go above that £10M, even considering transfer inflation etc. I doubt we'd get him for £7.5M but the valuation has to include his lack of first team impact and our financial situation, obviously, but anything above that level and I'd be seriously disappointed, yet again.   
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on December 13, 2012, 07:59:22 AM
... the valuation has to include his lack of first team impact and our financial situation, obviously, but anything above that level and I'd be seriously disappointed, yet again.

12 mil it is then...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 13, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
Barticus, considering the little progress he has made overall, and the fact that we have such a limited transfer fund (in comparison, £10M out of the overall transfer value of £50m wasn't so bad), do you think £12M on Sturridge is the best use of £12M and the majority (if not all) of our transfer budget? How do you see his transfer value increasing by 20% since Jan 2011?

I'm not saying you're wrong, just interested in how you see it that way. Sorry, that's two questions I'm asking of you now.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 13, 2012, 04:32:33 PM
Klass Jan Huntelaar would prefer Inter over Arsenal or Liverpool, says agent

Thursday 13 Dec 2012


Klass Jan Huntelaar would prefer a move to Inter Milan this January over Arsenal or Liverpool, according to the player’s agent.

Huntelaar is widely expected to quit current club Schalke during the new year, as he has less than six months left on his current deal, and the race is on to land his signature.

Arsenal and Liverpool have both expressed a huge interest in acquiring Huntelaar, but Inter Milan are also keen, and agent Arnold Oosterveer says his client would jump at the chance to sign for Inter over the other options.

‘He would not mind playing in Milan again – especially because Inter would give him the chance to show he is a great player,’ said Oosterveer.

Huntelaar has already had one spell playing in Italy, having initially joined Schalke from AC Milan, where he struggled to live up to expectations.

Schalke have already refused to sell Huntelaar during the January transfer window, but it’s thought that a bid in excess of £10million should be enough to get the deal done.


http://metro.co.uk/2012/12/13/klass-jan-huntelaar-would-prefer-inter-over-arsenal-or-liverpool-says-agent-3315543/ (http://metro.co.uk/2012/12/13/klass-jan-huntelaar-would-prefer-inter-over-arsenal-or-liverpool-says-agent-3315543/)

If he was younger I'd say it was a shame, but surely his best years are nearer to being behind him than yet to come.

I'd prefer we made the right decision rather than just 'get a striker in' because we're short at the moment. We don't have the finances to make 'shorter term' purchases and then 'sort it properly' in the Summer. Every purchase has to be medium / long term in nature, despite our 'immediate' needs.

It would be nice to think we can build a team to get into the top four and then quickly build or replace again to keep us there and progress up that mini top four league table. Somehow, I don't see FSG funding that sort of thing, so the players bought to get us into the top four have to be good enough to also keep us there, and for the most part, help us progress, as the improvement in the squad won't increase in pace once we're there.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 13, 2012, 04:37:17 PM
 :D

i reckon barticus, like I do at times, is being ironic (is that the right word) 

if the lad is worth 7 million, then Liverpool will pay 12 million and think they have a bargain.

personally, I think anything much over 7 or 8 is madness.

to be honest, I wouldn;t waste any of my transfer budget on him.  I see nothing about him that makes me want to see him in red.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 13, 2012, 04:40:53 PM
Klass Jan Huntelaar would prefer a move to Inter Milan this January over Arsenal or Liverpool, according to the player’s agent.

‘He would not mind playing in Milan again – especially because Inter would give him the chance to show he is a great player,’ said Oosterveer.


Milan it is then.

like you say Tes, his age is against him. 

Of our main targets, I would prefer him.  But if he hmmms and haaaaaaa's then forget it.....plenty more fish in the sea, and younger too, with more in front of them.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 13, 2012, 05:16:17 PM
with more in front of them.

The average Geordie fan it is then.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 13, 2012, 10:58:37 PM
Interesting Sturridge facts:

Sturridge:
Chelsea - 49(47 sub) - 96 apps - 24 goals

2012/13: 320 minutes - 160 minutes per goal
2011/12: 3061 minutes - 235 minutes per goal
2010/11: 535 minutes - 133 minutes per goal
2009/10: 612 minutes - 122 minutes per goal

Total Time on the field for Chelsea 4528 minutes - 188 minutes per goal

Bolton:
2010/11: 976 minutes - 122 minutes per goal


Total time on the field last 4 years 5504 minutes - 172 minutes per goal.

He actually averages a goal every other game - wowsers!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 15, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
(http://ballsybanter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Downing.jpg)

'The manager has said I can leave if I want to,' Stewart Downing said in an interview in the Liverpool matchday programme ahead of today's game with his former club, Aston Villa.

'But then all of a sudden I've come back into the team, it's a strange situation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 16, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
(http://ballsybanter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Downing.jpg)

'The manager has said I can leave if I want to,' Stewart Downing said in an interview in the Liverpool matchday programme ahead of today's game with his former club, Aston Villa.

'But then all of a sudden I've come back into the team, it's a strange situation.

The only strange situation is the one that saw someone actually think he was good enough to come to the club in the first place and then compound that original crazy thought by paying out £20M for the nightmare possibility to become reality.

The only way we'll shift him is by accepting £5M or less and covering his wages somehow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 16, 2012, 07:45:06 PM
The only strange situation is the one that saw someone actually think he was good enough to come to the club in the first place and then compound that original crazy thought by paying out £20M for the nightmare possibility to become reality.

The only way we'll shift him is by accepting £5M or less and covering his wages somehow.

that summer's buys, Stewart Downing being one of them, has turned into a total public embarrassment for dalglish (and comolli).   And is ruining the club financially.  It's bad enough football-wise; but even worse given that they can't be got rid off easily.



Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 16, 2012, 08:14:23 PM
that summer's buys, Stewart Downing being one of them, has turned into a total public embarrassment for dalglish (and comolli).   And is ruining the club financially.  It's bad enough football-wise; but even worse given that they can't be got rid off easily.

As we feared would happen, did happen and has happened. We said we were worried that FSG would give Dalglish 'the pot' to spend. 'The pot' being a one off transfer fund designed to propel us back into the top four, and that if they did that then there'd be precious little to follow. All of that has happened.

Now that one-off 'injection' has been well and truly squandered, and in fact has probably taken us backwards in terms of squad and team quality.
The next thing it will do is cost us again as we make huge losses on the original fees paid and have to pay huge contract settlements or continue to pay a large percentage of their salary at their new club, so whilst we've been paying them instead of the right players, we'll also have less to spend over the next two or three seasons as our salary budget takes a hit in paying up or continuing to pay all or a portion of their salaries. Money that, once again, can't go towards other players.

Hodgson did relatively minor damage in terms of the players he bought in comparison to what Comolli and Dalglish have caused. Purslow's signing of Joe Cole was bad, but the Comolli/Dalglish axis blew Purslow out of the water.

If Rodgers get's any financial support he needs to do much better than he has with Allen, Borini and Assaidi so far. Time may give that trio of purchases a different reflection but we don't have time, or least time to keep attempting to right wrongs rather than actually start to put things in place that move us forwards.
Whilst Rodgers still has to deconstruct Dalglish's mess, he can't afford to simultaneously start making his own mess that either he or someone else has to try and clear up.

It's very early days for the scouting additions the club brought in during the  Summer, and it's possibly unfair to lay blame yet, but if the names we've been linked with turn out to be anywhere near accurate, then you have to wonder why we bothered and add that to the huge sum of money this club has wasted in the last few years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 16, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
Whilst Rodgers still has to deconstruct Dalglish's mess
Kenny got us to two cup finals last season, how many cup finals has Rodgers reached?

I also note Laudrup has Swansea in the semis of the LC whilst maintaining their robust
league position (given their relative poverty bar the £20 odd million we gave them), unlike
Rodgers who jettisoned any tournament bar the league at the first opportunity last year.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 16, 2012, 08:53:36 PM
Purslow's signing of Joe Cole was bad, but the Comolli/Dalglish axis blew Purslow out of the water.

If Rodgers get's any financial support he needs to do much better than he has with Allen, Borini and Assaidi so far.

yes, the dalglish/comolli axis has blown Liverpool's finances out the window.

and rodgers is only adding to the mess, with more mid-table buys (on big money).

personally, I cringe that he will be spending more of our money in January.

like we know, right now, that Sturridge is yet another transfer made in he.ll.....a disaster waiting to happen.

and tom ince  FFS  I;d rather we bought tom finney. 

honestly, if I were the owner of the club,  I'd dismiss Rodgers right now and bring in a caretaker til the summer.

And, as owner, I;d base myself at Melwood.

If FSG are serious about owning a top club, they need to get off their lazy bac.ks.ides and start doing what they should have been doing from day one.  i.e. bring in top people to run the club.  Bloddy ell, this is not fking rocket science.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 16, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
Kenny got us to two cup finals last season, how many cup finals has Rodgers reached?

I also note Laudrup has Swansea in the semis of the LC whilst maintaining their robust
league position (given their relative poverty bar the £20 odd million we gave them), unlike
Rodgers who jettisoned any tournament bar the league at the first opportunity last year.

exactly, Ed.

and not only are Swansea doing well.....but look at how well WBA are doing too (with our ex-assistant boss as manager).   Like I mean, is there any single thing that our morons have got right these past three years?

everything they touch, turns to sh.it
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 16, 2012, 09:27:58 PM
Kenny got us to two cup finals last season, how many cup finals has Rodgers reached?

I also note Laudrup has Swansea in the semis of the LC whilst maintaining their robust
league position (given their relative poverty bar the £20 odd million we gave them), unlike
Rodgers who jettisoned any tournament bar the league at the first opportunity last year.

Ed, the mess I was refering to was the signings made by Dalglish and Comolli and the financial fallout we are facing/will face as a result.

As a Swansea fan I wouldn't have been too bothered. Last season had to be about staying in the league and the financially stability that can bring. Laudrup has definately enabled them to kick on this season, in fact I asked the question 3 games in who would prove to be the bigger success this season, Laudrup or Rodgers?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 16, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
exactly, Ed.

and not only are Swansea doing well.....but look at how well WBA are doing too (with our ex-assistant boss as manager).   Like I mean, is there any single thing that our morons have got right these past three years?

everything they touch, turns to sh.it

Tbh I'm patient enough but when I see the size of the rolex Rodgers
was sporting yesterday, his claim that he is going to give his life to
the football club
and our utter undoing by a team that is two places
below us and was pitied earlier in the season, I get mad and rightly so.

Watching the manager arms folded with ginormous rolex standing on the touch
line and then talking of complacency after the match?? :o
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 16, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
but hey, it could be worse....we could have landed Gylfi Sigurdsson too.

the icelander has hardly set the world alight at Spurs.

surprise, surprise - he has yet to score a league goal for spurs.....mind you, he has one assist to his name.

like I have been saying, we do not have people at the club who are even aware of the quality of player that a top club needs.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 16, 2012, 09:38:19 PM
Tbh I'm patient enough but when I see the size of the rolex Rodgers
was sporting yesterday, his claim that he is going to give his life to
the football club
and our utter undoing by a team that is two places
below us and was pitied earlier in the season, I get mad and rightly so.

Watching the manager arms folded with ginormous rolex standing on the touch
line and then talking of complacency after the match?? :o

 :D   I missed the rolex.  I must google for some images of the leg-end in the dugout from yesterday.

big rolex, big red ferrari, big portrait of himself taking up one wall of his mansion, and a big mouth, with a tiny brain, and a tiny CV............what could possibly go wrong.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 16, 2012, 09:41:29 PM
Ed, the mess I was refering to was the signings made by Dalglish and Comolli and the financial fallout we are facing/will face as a result.
Sure there's a mess, managers generally don't get sacked unless
there's a mess. So in that respect Rodgers is the same as every
other manager.

What exactly he's up to is what I'd like to know because to date
he's achieved across all tournaments (unless I'm mistaken) the
exact same as Hodgson.

:D   I missed the rolex.
It was huge, I may grab a still of it from the video later.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 16, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
the rolex was huge, I may grab a still of it from the video later.

rodgers sure does know how to make a rod for his own back. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 16, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
Watching the manager arms folded with ginormous rolex standing on the touch
line and then talking of complacency after the match?? :o

Ed, you're turning into an intolerant, grumpy old man, just like Dude and I. Welcome to the club.  ;D

Maybe we could get Rolex to be one of our 'partners' - 'as worn by Brendan 'the philosophy' Rodgers'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 16, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
rodgers sure does know how to make a rod for his own back. 

Dunno much about watches but...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8491/8278420081_4de91572fc_m.jpg)

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble!

Look at Lambert behind him in a tracksuit...

Anyway I look at that picture and wonder how hungry he
really is, has the frickin' demeanour of someone whose
achieved significant things in the game.

As for collecting silverware... appears to be around his wrist

Ed, you're turning into an intolerant, grumpy old man, just like Dude and I. Welcome to the club.  ;D
Naturally I'm apoplectic when a team comes to Fortress Anfield
works their socks off, goes 3-0 up and starts taking their players off in
the final stages, presumably to give fringe players a run out. Maybe that's
just me  ;D Where I come from hard work is the basic. No excuses.
We were promised better than that.


Maybe we could get Rolex to be one of our 'partners'
Hi my name is Brendan and today I wish to luxuriate about time
(purses lips, tilts head and looks self-important)

Time, the luxury every manager gets at Anfield.
Time is also a luxury we like to give the opposition
So I give my players a rolexing at half Time
I'm a legend y'know, in my own lunch Time

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 17, 2012, 12:13:38 AM
Naturally I'm apoplectic when a team comes to Fortress Anfield
works their socks off, goes 3-0 up and starts taking their players off in
the final stages, presumably to give fringe players a run out. Maybe that's
just me  ;D Where I come from hard work is the basic. No excuses.

Dude, our problem (that's you and I) is we don't 'get' the modern ways of doing. If it sounds right or looks right, ergo, it is right. We want too much. A bit of substance to back up the image. A proven record to back up the 'talk' or at least point towards there being substantive potential for success. We value experience over theory of "I'd know what to do in that situation, I think, or I'll probably be able to figure out what to do".
We still like a paper hardcopy, just in case.

As I said, Ed, welcome to the club.

Talent is or isn't there. Form can desert you sometimes, but as Ed says, hard work should be guaranteed.

What's happened to the win the ball back within 'X seconds'. Too many times players have created or scored through a sheer ansence of pressure from any player in red (or whatever colour we were playing in).
Nothing excuses that. Definately not the shallowness of the squad. We could have 11 fit players only. Work rate and effort should still be obvious.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 17, 2012, 12:24:37 AM
Work rate and effort should still be obvious.
It was obvious with Villa diving in at the back.

Then there's Allen a passenger in midfield and arguably
could have done better for all 3 goals.

Is it as simple now as play 3 at the back + hit them on the break = result against LFC  :-[
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 17, 2012, 02:54:26 AM
Is it as simple now as play 3 at the back + hit them on the break = result against LFC  :-[
cos we really seem to come out all pumped up with our game,
which is a very self-indulgent approach based on doing everything
at breakneck speed and trying fancy stuff, ignoring the opposition
completely (ahem tactics?).

Opposition knows we have few quality finishers, stick 3 at the back
and wait...because presumably it's been drummed into them that just
as sure as night follows day them gaps are going to open up. Johnson
will invariably be high up the pitch, one or two others sucked out of
position and lo and behold the Moses moment...

(http://www.gatherthejews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/parting-red-sea.jpg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on December 17, 2012, 07:40:18 AM
cos we really seem to come out all pumped up with our game,
which is a very self-indulgent approach based on doing everything
at breakneck speed and trying fancy stuff, ignoring the opposition
completely (ahem tactics?).

Opposition knows we have few quality finishers, stick 3 at the back
and wait...because presumably it's been drummed into them that just
as sure as night follows day them gaps are going to open up. Johnson
will invariably be high up the pitch, one or two others sucked out of
position and lo and behold the Moses moment...

(http://www.gatherthejews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/parting-red-sea.jpg)

Is it me or is Moses wearing a watch on his left hand? Tis a sign!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 17, 2012, 01:43:42 PM
Is it me or is Moses wearing a watch on his left hand? Tis a sign!!

A Rolex? We have been blessed!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 17, 2012, 05:56:05 PM
Is it me or is Moses wearing a watch on his left hand? Tis a sign!!
The promised land of 8th awaits  :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 17, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
The promised land of 8th awaits  :)

So 2nd was all booked up and and there's no room at the inn in 4th.

We're settling for a weekend break in order to save up for something more extensive next season (or the season after, or one season at some unknown point in time) 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 17, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
So 2nd was all booked up and and there's no room at the inn in 4th.
The Pharaoh Fergie issued a decree that all Scousers under the age of 10
must be sacrificed to satisfy the Gods of the Premier League.

or one season at some unknown point in time
I believe so. So it was written, so it shall be done. Amen.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 17, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
The Pharaoh Fergie issued a decree that all Scousers under the age of 10
must be sacrificed to satisfy the Gods of the Premier League.
I believe so. So it was written, so it shall be done. Amen.

So to sum it all up so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 17, 2012, 07:58:45 PM
So to sum it all up so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk)
Full speed ahead!  ;D

http://www.hark.com/clips/xqsqvfymsk-star-treks-scotty-the-whole-thing-will-blow
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 17, 2012, 09:27:43 PM
Full speed ahead!  ;D

http://www.hark.com/clips/xqsqvfymsk-star-treks-scotty-the-whole-thing-will-blow

To use a very well worn phrase, "Outstanding".
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 17, 2012, 09:32:20 PM
Is it me or is Moses wearing a watch on his left hand? Tis a sign!!

A Rolex? We have been blessed!!

The promised land of 8th awaits  :)

It's a sign of the end, I tell ya! The end is coming.

the only thing that can preserve Emperor Rodgers legacy is the Mayan prophecy.

if this be the end of days, allowing the great one insufficient time to complete his project - and fans left with "if only" and "what if's"
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 17, 2012, 09:46:49 PM
"Outstanding".

in a field of his own
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 18, 2012, 07:44:49 PM
in a field of his own

Like a farmer with wind, sweaty feet and halitosis.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 18, 2012, 07:48:09 PM
Liverpool join race for France U21 Isimat Mirin after being priced out of move for De Vrij

By Simon Jones  17 December 2012


Liverpool are among clubs monitoring French centre-back Nicolas Isimat Mirin.

The 21-year-old graduate of the Clairefontaine academy has established himself as a regular in the Valenciennes side but is out of contract in 18 months.

Liverpool have been keen on Feyenoord's Stefan de Vrij, 20, but he could prove too expensive.

Manager Brendan Rodgers may need to sell to finance further deals after earmarking most of his budget on strikers Daniel Sturridge and Tom Ince.

Mirin has earned three caps for Les Bleus Under 21 team.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249657/Liverpool-turn-Nicolas-Isimat-Mirin-price-Stefan-Vrij-went-high.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249657/Liverpool-turn-Nicolas-Isimat-Mirin-price-Stefan-Vrij-went-high.html)

So where does that leave Kelly, Wilson and/or Coates?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 18, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
So where does that leave Kelly, Wilson and/or Coates?

taxi for coates

(ok, ok, I'll get me jacket)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 18, 2012, 07:54:20 PM

Emperor  Rodgers may need to sell to finance further deals after earmarking most of his budget on strikers Daniel Sturridge and Tom Ince.


I find myself saliviating at the prospect of Sturridge and Ince joining us.

today Villa, tomorrow the world (well, Darlington).
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 18, 2012, 08:23:43 PM
Can't see Sturridge fitting in unless he plays centrally, which would mean Luis being moved. If Luis isn't moved to accomodate Borini in his obvious position, then I can't see Sturridge fairing any better.
Then there's the price.

As has been seen again this season, the value in players lies abroad, yet we seem interested only in spending our limited budget in the vastly over-inflated English market.

I realise it's early days with the new scouting network but there seems no change in that respect from before they came and my hope with Rodgers being more used to having to scout abroad for the better value player hasn't been realised either.

Is our scouts' travel budget as pitiful as the manager's transfer fund seems to be?

We should be checking out the Bundesliga, Eredivisie and the Belgian Jupiler League and their reserve and youth leagues too.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 18, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
Is our scouts' travel budget as pitiful as the manager's transfer fund seems to be?

We should be checking out the Bundesliga, Eredivisie and the Belgian Jupiler League and their reserve and youth leagues too.

exactly.

but unlike in days old old, in modern times we seem to get the scraps that the wealthy clubs have no interest in.

to have any chance of competing at the top table, we need a top european network of scouts.  And not only that, we need someone who speaks the languages and knows the culture of these countries - especially the latin countries.

otherwise you get ripped off, and/or can't even get close to closing deals.

I thought having our spanish staff was invaluable, in this respect.  They knew that market and how negotiations worked.

now we have brendan and an ex northern ireland defender (hunter).  One's heart is fulled with sadness.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 18, 2012, 10:13:37 PM
an ex northern ireland defender (hunter). 

Is that the Hunter that played for Ipswich? Allan, I think it was.

Isn't our Hunter, Barry? I wonder if the two are related.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 18, 2012, 10:39:12 PM
Is that the Hunter that played for Ipswich? Allan, I think it was.

Isn't our Hunter, Barry? I wonder if the two are related.

good question

we have barry in the scouting dept (goodness gracious)

but you have a good memory - allan hunter played for NI too...and yes, i do believe it was Ipswich that he played for.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 18, 2012, 10:42:50 PM
Manager Brendan Rodgers may need to sell to finance further deals after earmarking most of his budget on strikers Daniel Sturridge and Tom Ince.

Mersey Reds ‏@MerseyReds1

Sturridge £12m and Ince £4m fee agreed according to The Times.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 18, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
Tony Barrett Tony Barrett ‏@TonyBarretTimes

My understanding is that Liverpool remain confident of signing
Sturridge despite a hitch in the last couple of hours.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 18, 2012, 11:25:27 PM
Mersey Reds ‏@MerseyReds1

Sturridge £12m and Ince £4m fee agreed according to The Times.


Both players have attitude problems allegedly. Is that really the best value we can achieve for £16M?

With the exception of Assaidi, Coates and Suarez, all the other players signed (seven in total) under FSG have either come from the Premier League or have played in England (Borini). I wonder who's decision(s) this is/are?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 19, 2012, 09:08:52 PM
Raheem Sterling is expected to sign a new contract with
#LFC in the coming days. More on @BBCSport shortly ...
@BenSmithBBC
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 19, 2012, 09:19:24 PM
Raheem Sterling is expected to sign a new contract with
#LFC in the coming days. More on @BBCSport shortly ...
@BenSmithBBC


If we sign Ince, I wonder how the contracts compare.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 19, 2012, 10:50:49 PM
Sterling set to sign a 5-year deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20792252

I know I'm deluded but I see Eriksen as the solution to all
our problems this Summer. Goals from midfield, unlocking
defenses:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/19/christian-eriksen-ajax

You need to have a quota of world-class talent around to make a youth based approach
work, imo.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 19, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
Eriksen won't go for less than £35-40m
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 19, 2012, 11:35:04 PM
Eriksen won't go for less than £35-40m and has the likes of Barca, Real, Juventus all lining up for him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 19, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
Sterling set to sign a 5-year deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20792252

I know I'm deluded but I see Eriksen as the solution to all
our problems this Summer. Goals from midfield, unlocking
defenses:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/19/christian-eriksen-ajax

You need to have a quota of world-class talent around to make a youth based approach
work, imo.

Look in the Mirror and see:

Sterling has indeed signed.

Sturridge indeed hasn't and may not.

PSG's Kevin Gameiro looked at instead.

Compromise on Sterling deal with a sliding scale increase - compromise can be good.

Sturridge maybe on loan instead - now you're talking sense, see what his hunger for first team football really is. See how he handles and reacts the to the postion(s) he asked to play.

All in here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-raheem-sterling-agrees-1497636 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-raheem-sterling-agrees-1497636)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 19, 2012, 11:53:55 PM
Eriksen won't go for less than £35-40m and has the likes of Barca, Real, Juventus all lining up for him.

Hasn't he also previously stated a preference to play in Spain or Italy?

We need to find 'the next Eriksen'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 19, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
Hasn't he also previously stated a preference to play in Spain or Italy?

We need to find 'the next Eriksen'.

Urika!   

I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 20, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
yes, saw that Mirror story earlier........sterling deal more or less done and dusted

sturridge deal on verge of collapse (wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)

and we are sniffing around the PSG lad, Geronomo
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 12:05:24 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-raheem-sterling-agrees-1497636 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-raheem-sterling-agrees-1497636)

From that same article:

"Fees paid to agents have become a hot subject around Anfield, with principle owner John Henry laying down the law in recent weeks following the release of the startling figures.

From October 2011 to September 2012 - the last set of published figures - only Manchester City have spent more on agent fees, bringing into stark light the performance under director of football Damien Comolli, who was eventually sacked for such extravagance.
"

Why has Henry only 'laid down the law in recent weeks'? Wasn't he aware of it previously? If so, why wait until the publishing of the figures to do or say something about it? Did he or Werner not sign off on such expenditure, or was it left up to Ayre's discretion? When will Ayre pay the price Comolli did?

Ayre can't be excused if Comolli wasn't. Does anybody actually take responsibility for anything at the club anymore?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 12:08:20 AM
Urika!   

I'll get me coat.

I prefer Faria Alam, the happy slapper, her.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 12:12:19 AM
Urika!   

Geronomo

And as it's nearly Christmas, the January window needs to see a Hallelujah.

That's our new front three sorted.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 20, 2012, 12:13:19 AM
Eriksen won't go for less than £35-40m
Maybe Luis and Daniel could have a word?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 12:19:22 AM
Maybe Luis and Daniel could have a word?

Not a good idea re Luis and his 'word'. Though he might get away with an 'N' word this time. Calling him 'Norsk' can't be quite as bad.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-76pbXbYwno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-76pbXbYwno)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 20, 2012, 12:20:01 AM
From that same article:

"Fees paid to agents have become a hot subject around Anfield, with principle owner John Henry laying down the law in recent weeks following the release of the startling figures.

From October 2011 to September 2012 - the last set of published figures - only Manchester City have spent more on agent fees, bringing into stark light the performance under director of football Damien Comolli, who was eventually sacked for such extravagance.
"

Why has Henry only 'laid down the law in recent weeks'? Wasn't he aware of it previously? If so, why wait until the publishing of the figures to do or say something about it? Did he or Werner not sign off on such expenditure, or was it left up to Ayre's discretion? When will Ayre pay the price Comolli did?

Ayre can't be excused if Comolli wasn't. Does anybody actually take responsibility for anything at the club anymore?

you beat me to it.  I was about to paste from the Guardian.

Quote
Talks with Octagon have stalled, not broken down, however, but that comes at a time when FSG is determined to reduce Liverpool's spending on agent fees and to get better value for money in the transfer market than it has done since buying the club in October 2010. The club have given an eye-watering £31.3m to agents since 2008?09, a figure topped only by the billionaire-owned Manchester City (£39m) and Chelsea (£31.8m) in the same period.

Recently released figures for 1 October 2011 to 30 September 2012 showed only City spent more than Liverpool in that time, moreover. They topped the agent payments list, and the Premier League in May, with £10,537,982 spent while Liverpool, who finished eighth and sacked Kenny Dalglish as a result, paid agents £8,600,444. Manchester United spent £3,681,580. FSG is determined to harden its negotiating stance with agents, rather than a player's personal terms, and believe Liverpool have been viewed as a soft-touch in recent years.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 20, 2012, 12:22:20 AM
I prefer Faria Alam, the happy slapper, her.
Urika used to come over regularly to Belfast, to do some local tv work; and award shows.  And she'd wear her black leather.  She was hot back then.

And as it's nearly Christmas, the January window needs to see a Hallelujah.

That's our new front three sorted.

can we get a Halleljah, brotha!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 12:36:33 AM
you beat me to it.  I was about to paste from the Guardian.

Makes it even more depressing when you see who those pricey agents brought to the club.

Brings a bit more perspective to Comolli's and Dalglish's exits.

Soft touch. Us? No chance, though I have heard we may be sponsored by Patchett's Marshmallows when the StanChart deal runs out.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 12:38:32 AM
can we get a Halleljah, brotha!

Be careful the Herbert from the Black Lawyers Society may be watching.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 20, 2012, 12:38:53 AM
Makes it even more depressing when you see who those pricey agents brought to the club.

Brings a bit more perspective to Comolli's and Dalglish's exits.

Soft touch. Us? No chance, though I have heard we may be sponsored by Patchett's Marshmallows when the StanChart deal runs out.

 :D

I find much of our transfer activity baffling...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 20, 2012, 12:40:23 AM
Be careful the Herbert from the Black Lawyers Society may be watching.

I did think of that, after posting.

hey, maybe that post can with Top Black Football Post of 2012, at the All Black British Awards 2012!!!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
Can Brendan Rodgers be trusted in the transfer market?

Thursday, 20th December 2012 by Edward224 Gabriel Darshan


BRENDAN Rodgers has a lot to prove.

We are floundering in the Premier League in our worst start in living memory, and Brendan’s philosophy is either taking too long to implement or not working.

Brendan, unlike Kenny before him, likes the media and the attention it brings. He’s articulate, doesn’t get too flustered, and talks more like an MBA graduate than a Premier League manager (clearly some of the reasons why FSG like him).

The media lap this up, but it cannot detract from our league position and following the Villa debacle Rodgers must be feeling the pressure.

Like every new manager before him whose had difficulties, Rodgers says he needs time. He’s had 6 months and one transfer window to get his team playing his way. This isn’t long. Improving existing players does take time. Embedding a system of play does take time. But the better coaches need less time, and while they are implementing their changes they at least meet the minimum requirements & expectations for the job. 12th position after 17 games is clearly below expectations.

Brendan’s strength should be his coaching. He’s coached for 20 years, he likes to tell us, but he’s been a manager for only four, with a solitary year in the Premier League, and no titles. FSG knew this when they hired him and must have expected mistakes along the way.

I’m a believer that you judge a team, and a manager, at the end of a season (unless you’re the inept Mr. Hodgson) but judging by the season so far, Brendan will need to improve results fast to save his job. Coaching does take time, improving our international revenues takes time and so does redeveloping Anfield. How do you make a difference when you are quickly running out of time in the middle of a season? Well, you buy well in January. Easier said than done. But is Brendan Rodgers a good judge of a player?

Players who’ve left & reasons why:

Adam: Too slow, poor tackler, too many hollywood passes.

Amoo: Lacked awareness and end product to go with his pace.

Aquilani: Unsure why a string of managers didn’t give him a chance. Rumours of not settling denounced by the player. Juve & Milan didn’t think he was good enough for their midfield even at a knock down price. High salary and Rodgers wanted Allen to play regularly.

Aurelio: Injury record.

Bellamy: Wanted to end his career at home town club.

Darby: Technical and positional deficiencies. Club had better young options for rightback (namely Kelly, Flanagan & Wisdom).

Eccleston: Struggled to consistently find space and score goals against better opposition.

Kuyt: Fed up of being benched in place of Henderson (especially cup finals), wanted a change.

Maxi: Wanted to end his career at home town club.

Silva: Not sure why, I thought he had a lot of raw talent. Has been injured all-season at Barnsley with a hamstring injury.

Carroll (loan): Awful scoring record, poor movement and flexibility, inconsistent technique, slow and can’t run in behind defences. Didn’t fit with Rodgers’ style of play.

Spearing (loan): Mediocre technique, lack of pace, lack of height for defensive midfield. Didn’t want to leave permanently.

Wilson (loan): Loaned to gain experience. Indications he’s still valued at the club but is behind Agger, Skrtel, Coates, Carragher and possibly Kelly and Wisdom as well.

Overall Assessment of Sales: B


http://live4liverpool.com/2012/12/view-from-the-kop/can-brendan-rodgers-be-trusted-in-the-transfer-market (http://live4liverpool.com/2012/12/view-from-the-kop/can-brendan-rodgers-be-trusted-in-the-transfer-market)

Martin, I've not posted it with any negative agenda in mind. To me it's a legimate question that should be asked continuously of whoever manages our club. Reviewing anything on an ongoing basis can hopefully lessen mistakes or catch problems early before they develop.
And it's always interesting (at least to me) to read anybody else's opinion whether they mirror or are the complete opposite of your own.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Arsenal and Liverpool target Biglia told he can leave Anderlecht next month

20 December 2012  By Andy James


Premier League clubs have been put on alert after Anderlecht told their Argentinian midfielder Lucas Biglia he can leave the club.

The 26-year-old has been closely tracked by both Liverpool and Arsenal over the last year, while there has been further interest from the likes of Real Madrid and AC Milan.

Biglia, who spent much of the summer touting himself around Europe, is valued at around £8.5m by his club.

And Anderlecht admit they would be willing to make a deal should a club bid the asking price.

Speaking to Italian press, general manager Herman Van Holsbeeck said: 'We have not formally received an offer for Lucas but we know that his agent is making moves in the transfer market.

'Biglia has two and a half years left on his contract and we would only consider letting him go if we receive an offer of €10.25m. He won't leave in January for a penny less.'

The former Independiente midfielder has been capped seven times by his country since moving to Belgium in 2006.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2250933/Premier-League-clubs-including-Arsenal-Liverpool-told-bid-Anderlechts-Lucas-Biglia.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2250933/Premier-League-clubs-including-Arsenal-Liverpool-told-bid-Anderlechts-Lucas-Biglia.html)

With our inability to keep clean sheets, I think stopping the opposition scoring has moved up the list of priorities to where it was at the start of the season. If we increase our chance of keeping clean sheets, it places less pressure on the offensive side of the team. It's a bit soul-destroying having to score twice just to avoid defeat, especially as the problem that plagued us all last season is very much still with us.
Even if we add goals through our January purchase(s) the problem is likely to persist unless something further/different is instigated. Staying the same is patently not the answer.
I doubt we will have the neccessary to purchase at least two quality attackers (the bare minimum considering the loss of Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy, Carroll) plus a defensive reinforcement of some form, but more careful consideration has to be given than was the obvious case at the closure of the Summer window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 20, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
Blackpool dismiss Liverpool's offer for Tom Ince as far too small

Thursday 20 December 2012


The Blackpool manager, Michael Appleton, has revealed that Liverpool's initial offer for Tom Ince is significantly short of his club's valuation for the England Under-21 winger.

Ince left Anfield in 2011 having made one senior appearance, with Blackpool making a compensation payment of £250,000.

The 20-year-old will command a far higher fee if he returns to Merseyside in January having scored 13 goals in 21 Championship games this season. With Luis Suarez Liverpool's only senior available forward, manager Brendan Rodgers is keen to add a striker next month. However, talks with Chelsea's Daniel Sturridge have stalled over wages and Blackpool have asked for Liverpool to raise their offer for Ince.

Appleton confirmed that a figure had been discussed between Blackpool chairman Karl Oyston and Liverpool but dismissed speculation that a deal is close to being finalised. "I think there's been a conversation between Karl and Liverpool regarding an offer but, as far as I'm aware, it's way below the type of money we would expect for someone of Tom's talent," he said.

Liverpool have at least secured the future of Raheem Sterling with the 18-year-old signing a five-year deal worth about £35,000 a week.

Rodgers said yesterday that Sterling would be expected to hit the same attainment levels as Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler and Wayne Rooney. The manager said he always tells players in Sterling's position that "they need to decide after this contract whether there is going to be another contract at one of the biggest clubs in the world – or whether it will be at a different level".


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/blackpool-dismiss-liverpools-offer-for-tom-ince-as-far-too-small-8428091.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/blackpool-dismiss-liverpools-offer-for-tom-ince-as-far-too-small-8428091.html)

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/blackpool-dismiss-liverpools-offer-for-tom-ince-as-far-too-small-8428091.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/blackpool-dismiss-liverpools-offer-for-tom-ince-as-far-too-small-8428091.html)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 20, 2012, 11:39:17 PM
Blackpool dismiss Liverpool's offer for Tom Ince as far too small

is there no end to our humiliation.

you couldn;t make it up.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on December 21, 2012, 09:22:20 PM
is there no end to our humiliation.

you couldn;t make it up.

So we now have to bid high for a player unproven in the premiership and who WE let go less that 18 months ago cos he was that special....
We're also in the running (anyone else vaguely interested in?) for Sturridge...

I see we're linked with other players...
but it's patently obvious that FSG ain't going to stump up the cash...
and let's be honest ...would we want Rodgers to have that cash to spend only on players that he's worked with??
If he can't work with players who don't fit into his 'system/project/scripture' like Carroll, Kuyt etc....then what hope have we got of attracting the likes of Huntelaar/sneider etc...aka no chance..

Terrible draw against Zenit st Petersburg... depressed me even more...if we put out a weak team we'll be mullered...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 21, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
Not long to go now if the world's due to end today. So the good news is there will be a January window. The end of the world comes on 1 Feb 2013 though, when we see what we have or haven't bought.  ;D

The Mayan's didn't foresee what a state we'd be in (or not), otherwise the world may have been predicted to last just a little bit longer.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 22, 2012, 01:53:59 AM
is there no end to our humiliation.

you couldn;t make it up.
I've posted on this topic before, the challenger never arrives polished,
he's a streetfighter, raw, uncouth, hungry, skinny. A punk.

'til Anfield demonstrates fight, sacrifice, energy, you can forget it. anyone
who thinks Powerpoint presentations and slick media soundbites are the
way forward is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The tattoo obsessed poseurs who currently fly the flag don't understand the tribal
spirit that underlies our club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4_FpZvGFA

Playing for LFC is a religion, it's a battle, a war. Again Daley Thompson springs to mind

"It's not enough to win; he has to mentally destroy his opponent."

Forget the Downings and Johnsons and Allens we want players out there who'll
die for the shirt!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 22, 2012, 03:35:44 PM
I've posted on this topic before, the challenger never arrives polished,
he's a streetfighter, raw, uncouth, hungry, skinny. A punk.

'til Anfield demonstrates fight, sacrifice, energy, you can forget it. anyone
who thinks Powerpoint presentations and slick media soundbites are the
way forward is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The tattoo obsessed poseurs who currently fly the flag don't understand the tribal
spirit that underlies our club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4_FpZvGFA

Playing for LFC is a religion, it's a battle, a war. Again Daley Thompson springs to mind

"It's not enough to win; he has to mentally destroy his opponent."

Forget the Downings and Johnsons and Allens we want players out there who'll
die for the shirt!

The insane level of money in the game is rapidly killing that kind of attitude. Carra is really the last of that kind of breed. The talent is waning but the commitment has always been there.

In the past your medals, caps and memories were what you had to show for your career. Now, one contract secures you for life. It's now the bank balance, number of homes and cars you own is how the career is measured.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 22, 2012, 03:54:20 PM
Liverpool FC give up on Theo Walcott January deal, but hope to sign him for free next summer

by James Pearce, Dec 20 2012


LIVERPOOL FC have given up on trying to sign Theo Walcott in January – but will attempt to lure the Arsenal attacker to Anfield when he's a free agent next summer.

The Reds were prepared to table a bid of £8million for the 23-year-old England international, who has snubbed the Gunners’ offer of a new five-year contract.

Chelsea, Manchester United and Manchester City have also shown interest in securing Walcott's services.

However, Liverpool now believe that Walcott will stay put in January and see out the remaining months of his deal at the Emirates.

Arsene Wenger has made it clear that Arsenal won't look to cash in on the player next month and that suits Walcott, who will be able to weigh up a number of lucrative options after his contract has expired in June.

Competition for his signature will be tough with Juventus among a number of top European clubs who have been monitoring his situation.

The Reds' hopes of convincing him to move to Anfield as a free agent are buoyed by the fact that Walcott was a boyhood Liverpool fan. He also has the same agent as boss Brendan Rodgers.

However, Liverpool know that being able to offer Champions League football will also be an important factor in Walcott's decision.

The Reds currently stand seven points adrift of the top four but Rodgers is hoping that a double swoop for Tom Ince and Daniel Sturridge in January will provide the extra firepower needed to close that gap in the second half of the season.

As revealed in Tuesday's ECHO, the Ince deal is close to completion and Liverpool will pay Blackpool around £4million for the winger.

Sturridge is increasingly likely to join him at Anfield. The Reds are happy to meet Chelsea's £12million asking price but they have yet to agree terms with the striker.

Both transfers can't be completed until the transfer window reopens on January 1.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/12/20/100252-32464525/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/12/20/100252-32464525/)

Why???? 'Give up' are two words I never though I'd hear be associated with this club.

At the moment our need is great. His goals and assists records have been improving over the last two seasons and have continued into this one. I imagine his 'chances created' record has been doing likewise.
None of the other clubs, Chelsea, Spurs, both Mancs, need a player in his position(s) at the moment.

Come the Summer everything changes. Teams reassess their needs. The fact that he will be on a free will tempt some who wouldn't be tempted this January. Chances are those clubs will have CL football to offer. Both Mancs and Chelsea will have large salaries on offer too.

This January we have the advantage, come the Summer we go to the back of the queue. Why not take the advantage we have and try everything to get him.
He's not the most technical or tactical player in the world (or even the league) but he creates chances and scores goals. That's what we lack. He gives pace. Another thing we lack. I also think that after the excessive hype of his very early career, he's now matured and has reached the stage where he can kick on and his development will become apparent.

We can't attract the Falcao's or Cavanis, but have we now given up on the Walcotts aswell?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 22, 2012, 05:17:52 PM
Looks like the Sturridge transfer is back on: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2252141/Liverpool-set-sign-Daniel-Sturridge-Chelsea.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2252141/Liverpool-set-sign-Daniel-Sturridge-Chelsea.html)

Hopefully we haven't even compromised over the 'sell-on fee' and other demands of the parasites.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 22, 2012, 09:12:51 PM
At the right price (transfer fee and wages) is the caveat to my wanting Sturridge. £12-15m plus £60,000 or less per week and I'd be ok with it, but anything more and I'd be peeved.

I don't want Ince at all. Rather spend £5m more on Zaha.

Super sub Theo is vastly superior to starter Theo. His pace is lethal against tired legs, and his one trick (kick the ball away + run after it) is easily countered at the beginning of a game. So not to fussed on missing out on Walcott, especially at £80,000 p/w +!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on December 22, 2012, 09:28:08 PM
Sturridge medical tomorrow:-

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Heaton/status/282469491923881984
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 22, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Sturridge medical tomorrow:-

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Heaton/status/282469491923881984

So Rafa's 'rotated' him tomorrow against Villa, so he can have a medical for us. That'll go down well with his detractors at the Bridge.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 22, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
Super sub Theo is vastly superior to starter Theo. His pace is lethal against tired legs, and his one trick (kick the ball away + run after it) is easily countered at the beginning of a game. So not to fussed on missing out on Walcott, especially at £80,000 p/w +!

For a support act his goals, assists and chance creation is far better than most at Anfield. He has what we need. Quite a useful combination.

How is Sturridge going to react if he is played in the same position as he was by AVB last season, when he was getting regular starts? It's hard to see Suirez being moved to accomodate him. If Sturridge has the sense required he'll understand that as Luis spends so much time out of the more central areas, he'll get plenty of chance to fill in there. Hope he's not the kind to jump up and down in the dinghy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on December 22, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
Hope he's not the kind to jump up and down in the dinghy.
Is the dinghy in the water or still strapped to the side of the boat?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 23, 2012, 03:46:26 AM
Is the dinghy in the water or still strapped to the side of the boat?

I guess it depends on your point of view. To be kind to Sturridge as he isn't here yet, you'd have to say strapped to the boat and the boat is still on dry land.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 23, 2012, 11:31:56 AM
in January, I'd put feelers out to see if there was any interest from other clubs in Allen.  And Borini too could do a job for somebody.

Downing, too little, too late.  Hope someone is interested in him.

And I'd also put feelers out to see if we could offload Sturridge.

I'd hold onto Henderson til the summer at least.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 23, 2012, 01:59:19 PM
BRENDAN RODGERS HAS BUCKS TO BUY DANIEL STURRIDGE IN £40M SHAKE-UP

By Phil Cadden  Sunday December 23, 2012




BRENDAN RODGERS will be handed £40million by his board as he prepares to overhaul his Liverpool team.

The Reds boss has convinced owners Fenway Sports Group he needs big money for the task.

And after being impressed with Rodgers’ management skills in a testing six months in charge, the Americans are ready to open the cheque book. First through the door will be Chelsea striker Daniel Sturridge in a £12m deal that should be tied up in the first week in January when the transfer window opens.

And he will be followed into Anfield by Blackpool’s Thomas Ince as Rodgers attempts to bring back the 20-year-old let go for a pittance by Kenny Dalglish 18 months ago.

Including wages and the rise handed to 18-year-old winger Raheem Sterling this week – said to be from £2,000 to £40,000 a week – those deals will eat up nearly two thirds of the budget.

But there will still be enough left for Rodgers to swoop for Birmingham’s goalkeeper Jack Butland.

The youngster has already played for England, and the Kop boss sees him a perfect replacement for Pepe Reina, who is now 30.

And the rest of the cash will be splashed out on snapping up French defender Nicolas Isimat Mirin. The stopper, 21, is available for a cut-price fee as he only has 18 months remaining on his deal at French Ligue 1 club Valenciennes.

Rodgers could raise more money if he can offload players but there have been few takers for the likes of former Aston Villa winger Stewart Downing and ex-Sunderland midfielder Jordan Henderson.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/366714 (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/366714)

Ince I wouldn't consider if Blackpool, or rather that @hole Karl Oyston, want more than £4M and again that's the highest end of high.

Dalglish could have done worse than give a chance to Ince, Sterling, Suso etc first rather than splash on who he did, either that or simply upgrade one or two from his caretaker role and then 'steady as she goes' and carry on exactly the same as he had been doing in the previous half a season. Unfortunately the seed had been sown and the style dictated due to the stupid purchase of Carroll.

The purchase of another central defender either hints at doubts over Coates or is Carragher's replacement (who's out of contract in the Summer). It doesn't suggest that he sees Kelly as a centre back, or rates Wisdom as one, at least not yet. Wilson looks to be out the door if this buy goes ahead.

I would though prefer he brought in cover for Lucas ahead of a central defender, because as the last two seasons have proven, a defensive midfielder is crucial, especially with goal scoring being a problem, and that won't be completely solved this window, as we need two strikers (one on the pitch and one on the bench for when Luis is unavailable) and arguably replacements for Kuyt, Maxi and Bellamy, so that Sterling can be brought along and nurtured carefully and sensibly and not overplayed.
Where Borini truly fits into the equation is hard to tell, but I don't see him playing as a wide forward in the same way as you can see Sturridge, Walcott, Sterling or even Suarez.

If we sign Ince, we will then have two youngsters needing careful handling (despite what Ince might think), and the debateful Downing and Assaidi as our wide forwards, with Sturridge having to double up in both central and wide positions, and then Luis and Borini centrally.
Depending on how Sturridge fits in and performs we have 2 'senior' strikers, 1 youngster centrally, 2 youngsters wide and 2 further debatables wide.

Still not the strength and scoring solutions required, better than now but still further 'first choice' strengthening needed in the Summer to even think about thinking about challenging for the Top Four.

Butland hasn't been as strong this season as last so far from everything I've read of him, and it might prove to be a 'Carson'. Not sure he's at the stage of being a certain top class keeper but despite that Brum would still want 'big money' for him as there's a sniff of potential there. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 23, 2012, 02:08:16 PM
if true, the yanks are mad to allow this guy another 40 million to squander.

buying back the kid ince, for an inflated fee, is madness.

we have no need  for another keeper, farless Jack Butland (as Tes says, it has the hallmarks of another Carson signing)

and the signing of Sturridge is pure undiluted madness.

I think there should be a vote of no confidence taken against the owners.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 24, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
JOE COLE SET TO BE QPR FIRST JANUARY SIGNING

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/366170/Joe-Cole-set-to-be-QPR-first-January-signing (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/366170/Joe-Cole-set-to-be-QPR-first-January-signing)

"Liverpool midfielder Joe Cole is set to be Queens Park Rangers’ first signing of the January transfer window if they can agree a deal with the Anfield club on his wages. "

So we're going to pay them so Joe Cole can play first team football - what's wrong with Joe Cole showing the desire for such by acceptin what QPR offer him (within reason), without it including us?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 29, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Seems like the Ince deal is off according to quite a few rumours?

Edward, what's the score as far as you've heard?


If that's the case and rather than spend on Butland, we ought to spend the combined cash on Honda. As hasbeen discussed before, not only would his creativity and goals be a huge boost to us - a Suarez/Honda axis would be terrific, we'd also benefit massively from his popularity in the Far East.   
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 29, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
heard stories of us having to pay Cole 3.5 million to leave.

I hope we can find buyers for Allen, Borini, Carroll, Downing and Sturridge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 29, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
heard stories of us having to pay Cole 3.5 million to leave.

That perfectly sums up our recent transfer business. Pay to sell. Even the seller fees on Ebay/Paypal wouldn't amount to that much.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 29, 2012, 05:06:43 PM
That perfectly sums up our recent transfer business. Pay to sell. Even the seller fees on Ebay/Paypal wouldn't amount to that much.

 :D

wouldn;t it be a great idea if our Dunce-ball owners recruited players on average contracts, with great incentive bonuses, linked to performance and success in competitions.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 29, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
:D

wouldn;t it be a great idea if our Dunce-ball owners recruited players on average contracts, with great incentive bonuses, linked to performance and success in competitions.

It would be the most assured way of slashing the wage bill. The bonus payments column would be very empty.

What is worrying is that halfway through the season we've not really improved overall on the goalscoring front, and the defensive side shows no consistant sign of improvement. Game 1 concede 3 goals away to WBA, game 19 concede 3 goals away to Stoke City. If we were talking about Arsenal or either of the Manc teams, or at a stretch, Spurs, where we never seem to do well, then I'd say there were some sort of mitigating reason, but Stoke. The same Stoke who are hardly known for their goal scoring prowess, and 3 at home to Villa, who have been absolutely awfully all season and seem to have got even worse since beating us. That should have been a confidence boost, a point to build from, but in keeping with how they've been the rest of the season they've just been awful since.

With our lack of strikers come Sept 1, surely we needed to adapt and play in a way that made the most of both our wide forwards, ie them getting in the box whenever the ball is in a crossing position, or pushing up as a team so the midfielders could be brought into play more and enabling at least one to add to the numbers in the box.

It's curious that not only do we lack any sort of numbers in the box when the ball gets played in, but also lack cover for the defence when our possession breaks down. It seems that too many players are out of the required position(s) for so much of the play, whichever end it's at. 

It's either that the philosophy is proving to be wrong, the instigation of it is being done wrongly or that the change is being made too fast meaning we've removed our defensive strength (which could have contributed towards previous scoring deficiencies) without moving towards increased goalscoring, which at least would have helped offset being less strong defensively.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 29, 2012, 07:52:50 PM
It would be the most assured way of slashing the wage bill. The bonus payments column would be very empty.

What is worrying is that halfway through the season we've not really improved overall on the goalscoring front, and the defensive side shows no consistant sign of improvement. Game 1 concede 3 goals away to WBA, game 19 concede 3 goals away to Stoke City. If we were talking about Arsenal or either of the Manc teams, or at a stretch, Spurs, where we never seem to do well, then I'd say there were some sort of mitigating reason, but Stoke. The same Stoke who are hardly known for their goal scoring prowess, and 3 at home to Villa, who have been absolutely awfully all season and seem to have got even worse since beating us. That should have been a confidence boost, a point to build from, but in keeping with how they've been the rest of the season they've just been awful since.

With our lack of strikers come Sept 1, surely we needed to adapt and play in a way that made the most of both our wide forwards, ie them getting in the box whenever the ball is in a crossing position, or pushing up as a team so the midfielders could be brought into play more and enabling at least one to add to the numbers in the box.

It's curious that not only do we lack any sort of numbers in the box when the ball gets played in, but also lack cover for the defence when our possession breaks down. It seems that too many players are out of the required position(s) for so much of the play, whichever end it's at. 

It's either that the philosophy is proving to be wrong, the instigation of it is being done wrongly or that the change is being made too fast meaning we've removed our defensive strength (which could have contributed towards previous scoring deficiencies) without moving towards increased goalscoring, which at least would have helped offset being less strong defensively.

the philosophy is wrong, Tes.

why haven't other clubs thought of this great strategy, of playing a passing style, like Barcelona.   The truth is, Barcelona have top-notch technical players, that other clubs can only dream about.

so, that was the first reaon, why it would never work at anfield.

the second reason (and if they had asked, Rafa could have given rodgers and our owners advice and warnings about this) is that that passing style does not work well in english football.  You HAVE to be able to fight and graft in this league.  Wenger has found that out at Arsenal.  Sweet passing football, and lots of triangles, will only get you so far.

But our owners, and Ayres, knew better, and were sweet-talked by Rodger's bu.lls.hit and 180 page dossier about how the game should be played.

Rodgers philosophy is that of a very inexperienced man.  Any top senior manager would pick a  thousand holes in it.  But hey, our owners knew better.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on December 29, 2012, 08:28:11 PM
I see some speculation that Rafa might buy Negredo (tried and tested Spanish International with a good strike rate) from Seville for 14 mil....12 mil of the money being ours when we buy Sturridge....2 managers buying 2 strikers for a similar amount of money...i know which one i'd prefer..
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 29, 2012, 08:37:48 PM
I see some speculation that Rafa might buy Negredo (tried and tested Spanish International with a good strike rate) from Seville for 14 mil....12 mil of the money being ours when we buy Sturridge....2 managers buying 2 strikers for a similar amount of money...i know which one i'd prefer..

I'd have preferred he tried to get Sturridge with the Borini/Assaidi money. Negredo could work either way, be a Torres with Rafa as his manager or be a Moreintes. Hopefully the later. I'd hate to think they strengthen with our money.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 29, 2012, 08:38:46 PM
I see some speculation that Rafa might buy Negredo (tried and tested Spanish International with a good strike rate) from Seville for 14 mil....12 mil of the money being ours when we buy Sturridge....2 managers buying 2 strikers for a similar amount of money...i know which one i'd prefer..

exactly

and then we wonder why we are a mid-table side.

ayres and rodgers are way way out of their depth.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 30, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
Liverpool make first move for Sneijder with £9.5m bid for United and Spurs target

By Laure James  30 December 2012


Liverpool have reportedly offered £9.5million for out-of-favour Wesley Sneijder while Manchester United and Spurs remain on high alert.

The Inter Milan ace has been left feeling isolated at the San Siro after snubbing a suggested annual pay cut of £1.6m.

Liverpool are first out of the blocks, according to Gazzetta dello Sport's front page, while their Premier League rivals are confident little more than £11m will secure a deal.

The 28-year old was furious with the club's proposed salary cut and demanded a move, pressurising the Serie A outfit to sell him for virtually the same 15m euro fee they paid Real Madrid in 2009.

'Clearly it's best for everyone concerned that in January I am transferred,' he said defiantly.

'If that doesn't happen then I will stay. I have a contract with Inter until 2015.'

Manager Andrea Stramaccioni has since dropped Sneijder from the squad over the bitter dispute.

His wage bill is currently £200,000 per week and Inter will be relieved to offload the financial burden. Liverpool's coffers, however, are unlikely to be able to stretch to such levels.

Talk of a move to Tottenham Hotspur for the Holland international cooled when his agent told Dutch paper Algemeen Dagblad: 'There is nothing, absolutely nothing true about that.'

He has previously been tipped as Sir Alex Ferguson’s dream replacement for Paul Scholes but Inter’s inflated demands of £40m plus his phenomenal £10m-a-year wage was an immovable obstacle for Manchester United.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254826/Wesley-Sneijder-transfer-latest-Liverpool-make-9-5m-bid.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254826/Wesley-Sneijder-transfer-latest-Liverpool-make-9-5m-bid.html)

Way past his best and just after one last big payday. Let Spurs or the Mancs waste their money on him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 31, 2012, 01:00:04 AM
Rafa is signing Demba Ba (a lad with massive potential) from Newcastle for 7 million; whilst Pam Ayres and David Brent are recruiting perennial bench-warmer Me Me Me Sturridge from Rafa, for 12 million (up to as much as 15 million eventually, if some reports are to be believed).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9772105/Chelsea-manager-Rafael-Benitez-to-sign-Demba-Ba-from-Newcastle-United-for-7m.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9772105/Chelsea-manager-Rafael-Benitez-to-sign-Demba-Ba-from-Newcastle-United-for-7m.html)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 31, 2012, 01:14:31 AM
Rafa is signing Demba Ba (a lad with massive potential) from Newcastle for 7 million; whilst Pam Ayres and David Brent are recruiting perennial bench-warmer Me Me Me Sturridge from Rafa, for 12 million (up to as much as 15 million eventually, if some reports are to be believed).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9772105/Chelsea-manager-Rafael-Benitez-to-sign-Demba-Ba-from-Newcastle-United-for-7m.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9772105/Chelsea-manager-Rafael-Benitez-to-sign-Demba-Ba-from-Newcastle-United-for-7m.html)

Ba's knees are shot, plus he comes with some sort of ridiculous condition that his agent gets a huge fee and he's after £4-5M signing on fee plus close to 100k a week. He doesn't seem to to stick around too long and is also hankering after playing for PSG at some point in his career.
He's probably a good short term supply of goals bit I'm not convinced you'd get more than a couple of seasons from him.

Also the cheap clause of a maximum of £7.5M is only for teams in the CL, so we couldn't get him for anywhere near him.

Got to hope that Sturridge can develop the potential he showed in that half season at Bolton, and kick on like Walcott is doing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 31, 2012, 01:22:02 AM
Ba's knees are shot, plus he comes with some sort of ridiculous condition that his agent gets a huge fee and he's after £4-5M signing on fee plus close to 100k a week. He doesn't seem to to stick around too long and is also hankering after playing for PSG at some point in his career.
He's probably a good short term supply of goals bit I'm not convinced you'd get more than a couple of seasons from him.

Also the cheap clause of a maximum of £7.5M is only for teams in the CL, so we couldn't get him for anywhere near him.

Got to hope that Sturridge can develop the potential he showed in that half season at Bolton, and kick on like Walcott is doing.

yes, his knees were a worry (and if I recall Stoke got cold feet when he did a medical, some time ago).  But I think he has played nearly every game these past 2 seasons for Newcastle (when picked).   

I think Ba, Huntelaar, Walcott, etc is the level we should be aiming for....not daniel sturridge.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 31, 2012, 02:05:19 PM
yes, his knees were a worry (and if I recall Stoke got cold feet when he did a medical, some time ago).  But I think he has played nearly every game these past 2 seasons for Newcastle (when picked).   

I think Ba, Huntelaar, Walcott, etc is the level we should be aiming for....not daniel sturridge.

Walcott is the one I'd try our best to get. His improvement over the last two seasons is there for all to see (if they wish to) and at 23, his best years are ahead whilst still being a more experienced player than most 23 year olds. His goal, assists and chance creation figure are exactly what we want from a wide forward and I do think now is the time for him to move centrally. He gives better flexibility than Strurridge, Ba or Huntelaar, more years ahead of him than the last two on that list, and would add the sort of pace that scares defenders.

I know some see him as 'running fast and not much more' but his goals and chance creation figures show otherwise. Luis doesn't exactly play 'centrally' and for the National team he 'starts' from the left. You could see these two create plenty of chances for each other and score plenty between them, and it would allow us to get the ball forward quicker, hit teams on the counter and add a Plan B or new dimension to the slow, deliberate possession based build up. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 31, 2012, 04:57:20 PM
I know some see Walcott as 'running fast and not much more' but his goals and chance creation figures show otherwise. Luis doesn't exactly play 'centrally' and for the National team he 'starts' from the left. You could see these two create plenty of chances for each other and score plenty between them, and it would allow us to get the ball forward quicker, hit teams on the counter and add a Plan B or new dimension to the slow, deliberate possession based build up.

I agree. 

ok, there would be a lack of height up front.  And the speed of such a front duo, would further hurt our pedestrian midfielders. 

But if we want to break quickly and score goals, this is the type of player we need to be bringing in.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 31, 2012, 05:09:48 PM
ok, there would be a lack of height up front.  And the speed of such a front duo, would further hurt our pedestrian midfielders. 

It's amazing how much has been spent on midfield positions, both centrally and wider positions, and we've manage to completely avoid improving it, even if by accident or luck.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 31, 2012, 05:14:50 PM
It's amazing how much has been spent on midfield positions, both centrally and wider positions, and we've manage to completely avoid improving it, even if by accident or luck.

this is what happens when morons are in charge of the running of the club.

but as you say, one would think that even by the laws of chance/probability, that we would have stumbled over a top midfielder amongst all the money we have squandered.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on December 31, 2012, 06:09:23 PM
Has anyone noticed just how incredibly quiet the owners are at the moment?

Are they silent due to a large slice of humble pie, aka realising that they need experts in?

Have they realised that football is a completely different world to the one they are used to? 

That their original business model of buying young and selling for profit doesn't work in a game that needs just as many steady experienced heads to urge the youngsters on when a rout is in their minds?

Have they realised that perhaps it is a good idea to bring in an experienced manager? They did the right thing with Hodgson and Dalglish but they might be worried now that a top 4 guaranteed place is well out of sight.

Much to ponder over new year oblivion...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on December 31, 2012, 07:01:47 PM
Have they realised that football is a completely different world to the one they are used to? 

That their original business model of buying young and selling for profit doesn't work in a game that needs just as many steady experienced heads to urge the youngsters on when a rout is in their minds?

Have they realised that perhaps it is a good idea to bring in an experienced manager? They did the right thing with Hodgson and Dalglish but they might be worried now that a top 4 guaranteed place is well out of sight.

Much to ponder over new year oblivion...

they are maybe starting to realise that those thar english fellahs' game is a bit more complex that they had initially reckoned with.........and Moron-Ball doesn;t work in soccer.

maybe it's time to cut and run.

After three seasons of throwing money at Aston Villa, Randy Lerner got cold feet, and quickly closed his wallet.

It would be interesting to hear private chats between our yankee owners and their american compatriot, Lerner.  I wonder if with hindsight, either party would have invested in english football.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 31, 2012, 11:48:50 PM
Did they realise that not only does the club have to support the 'payroll' but there are those 'little bliters' called transfer fees. No draughts, to help make up lost ground on the better teams and then there's the need to maintain 'transfer (fee) valuation' by not letting contracts run down. Free agents are fine in American 'sports' as there is no lost transfer fee.
Then there's the loss through relegation to avoid, and whilst worldwide appeal is good, in order to maintain worldwide appeal you need to be successful. It's not just about keeping the 'locals' happy.

I don't mind the silence, actually I prefer it. Unfortunately we need their actions to do the talking and they've been struck dumb in that respect. The board and MD/CEO are woefully inadequate, yet we have silence through inaction.

Running the team down will only make us easier to sell if the price reflects the 'bargain status'. Additionally, they'd have to factor in the stadium (or not) situation.

They're mistakes have proved expensive financially and in football terms. They need to relinquish one of their sporting 'portfolio pieces' or invest in a suitably strong and qualified administration to run the club for them.

At the moment we drift. Will we avoid the rocks or just end up as a rowing boat on the local pond?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on December 31, 2012, 11:50:49 PM
Rumours going around that Daddy Ince doesn't see coming back to the club as the best move at this stage of Thomas' career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 01, 2013, 12:01:02 AM
Rumours going around that Daddy Ince doesn't see coming back to the club as the best move at this stage of Thomas' career.

can I get a halleluyah brother!!

 :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 01, 2013, 12:07:04 AM
Running the team down will only make us easier to sell if the price reflects the 'bargain status'. Additionally, they'd have to factor in the stadium (or not) situation.

They're mistakes have proved expensive financially and in football terms. They need to relinquish one of their sporting 'portfolio pieces' or invest in a suitably strong and qualified administration to run the club for them.

the acid test will be the redevelopment of Anfield.

That will be a major financial commitment that they will have to make.

But they will have to commit to it, if they hope to sell at a premium. 

I think, reading between the lines this past year, that their heart is not entirely in the Liverpool FC project. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 01, 2013, 12:35:04 AM
I think, reading between the lines this past year, that their heart is not entirely in the Liverpool FC project.

I'm starting to get that same gut feeling. In addition to everything that running a foreign (in every aspect of the word) entails, their 'beloved franchise' is having a tough time also and I get the feeling they've got one too many plates spinning now.

All I ask is that any new owner has the financial strength to compete. We don't want to throw money around like City and Chelsea, but to be able to invest in a more organic way that allows us to have a standard setting academy eventually, the stadium issue solved tastefully and in a way befitting who we were and aspire to be again, a standard setting scouting network and 'if neccessary' make the odd specific big money purchase.
I'd always rather see us produce our own stars through the academy and top quality coaching and scouting, but occassionally you have to make a large strategic purchase. We always need to maintain that 'homegrown' and 'homely' feel about the club. The city of Liverpool deserves nothing less. No Kings Road glitterati, just Anfield humility, honesty and decency.   
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 12:14:16 AM
Inter Milan may help Liverpool over on-loan Sahin as Reds look to get high-earner off their books

By Graeme Yorke  1 January 2013

Inter Milan may come to Liverpool’s rescue over on-loan midfielder Nuri Sahin.

Liverpool want the Turkey player, 24, to return to Real Madrid to free up wages as they consider other targets to add to Daniel Sturridge and Thomas Ince. Inter are keen and may strike a deal with Madrid.

Liverpool have also been linked with Palermo midfielder Josip Ilicic, 24.

Meanwhile, Liverpool loan target Kevin Gameiro says he does not want to leave Paris Saint-Germain.

The 25-year-old French striker said: ‘I’m with PSG and I hope to stay here
until the end of the season.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255840/Liverpool-hope-Inter-Milan-help-Nuri-Sahin-deal.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255840/Liverpool-hope-Inter-Milan-help-Nuri-Sahin-deal.html)

Strange. He obviously wasn't seen as 'a higher earner' in the Summer. I guess he's proven to be a 'not too expensive flop', as he will be the first of what become known as Rodgers' flops.
Hopefully, with more time to assess his needs and more time to to acquire, this window will be a more productive, better thought out one.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 02, 2013, 12:19:17 AM
hopefully, with more time to assess his needs and more time to to acquire, this window will be a more productive, better thought out one.

 :D

you are an optomist, Tes.

I think Sturridge and co, will be added to that Borini, Allen, Coates, Adams, Henderson, Downing, Cole, (cannae recall the injured Italian midfielder's name) etc list of club flops.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 12:25:15 AM
Liverpool hope to seal loan deal for Paris St-Germain striker Kevin Gameiro but move for Thomas Ince stalls

By Chris Bascombe 31 Dec 2012


Manager Brendan Rodgers had originally lined up the Frenchman as an alternative to Sturridge, in case the deal for the England striker faltered.

But he is now keen to add even more striking power to his ranks and hopes to sign Gameiro as well to revamp his attacking options.

The 25 year-old would be a versatile addition to the squad, able to play in a variety of forward roles. His age also fits the profile of the club’s American owners, who have made it clear they do not want to sanction expensive deals for players in their late twenties or thirties.

Gameiro was one of the most highly sought after attackers in French football when he moved to PSG for £9 million in the summer of 2011. He scored 14 goals last season, and is also a France international.

But the arrival of Zlatan Ibrahimovic at PSG has limited his opportunities during this campaign.

Liverpool  are not the only side interested in the player, but Rodgers will hope a fresh start on Merseyside will enable Gameiro to recapture his best form.

Sturridge’s signing will be confirmed this week, but it will be too soon for the £12 million purchase from Chelsea to make his debut against Sunderland on Wednesday. He has already completed a medical and agreed personal terms, but he will not be registered in time.

The 23 year-old has been pencilled in to face Mansfield in the FA Cup third round on Sunday.

Negotiations for Blackpool midfielder Thomas Ince have temporarily stalled after fraught discussions with the Championship club. Liverpool’s valuation of around £4 million – for a player who left Anfield last season for £500,000 and is available for free this summer – was considered ‘too low’. There is no prospect of Liverpool bidding any higher since Ince will be out of contract in the summer.

After similarly difficult negotiations when Charlie Adam made the same move – a deal which actually led to Ince moving to Blackpool – Liverpool are wary of overpaying again. Ince’s heart is set on a return to Merseyside.

Liverpool are also keen to loan out Uruguayan defender Sebastian Coates. Napoli, Juventus, Lazio and Santos are interested.

Rodgers is looking at 21-year-old French defender Nicolas Isimat-Mirin from Valenciennes, but Liverpool have also rejected a potential swap deal involving Joe Cole and Lille’s Salomon Kalou.

The Liverpool players were given Monday off to avoid the spreading of the illness which affected Rodgers on Sunday. The club’s pre-match press conference ahead of their Sunderland fixture was also cancelled, but the players are scheduled to return to training on Tuesday.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9773333/Liverpool-hope-to-seal-loan-deal-for-Paris-St-Germain-striker-Kevin-Gameiro-but-move-for-Thomas-Ince-stalls.html# (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9773333/Liverpool-hope-to-seal-loan-deal-for-Paris-St-Germain-striker-Kevin-Gameiro-but-move-for-Thomas-Ince-stalls.html#)

I hadn't realised Ince only signed a two year deal when he signed for Blackpool.

If he really does want to come back to the club, then let's wait until the Summer.

Gameiro on loan would be a good idea. When you see how Chamakh, Gervinho and Giroud did and have taken time to settle from the French league, it could be a cost effective transaction.

 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 12:26:48 AM
:D

you are an optomist, Tes.

I think Sturridge and co, will be added to that Borini, Allen, Coates, Adams, Henderson, Downing, Cole, (cannae recall the injured Italian midfielder's name) etc list of club flops.

I'm an optimist with a stutter.  :D Hope is all we have, be it blind or based on 'something'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 02, 2013, 07:42:53 AM
I'm an optimist with a stutter.  :D Hope is all we have, be it blind or based on 'something'.

Faith, Tes! Believe in the Brendan!
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 02, 2013, 07:46:18 AM

I hadn't realised Ince only signed a two year deal when he signed for Blackpool.

If he really does want to come back to the club, then let's wait until the Summer.

Gameiro on loan would be a good idea. When you see how Chamakh, Gervinho and Giroud did and have taken time to settle from the French league, it could be a cost effective transaction.

We were being quoted 6 million at one stage...unbelievable that he can go anywhere he wants in the summer...now 6 mil for Walcott would be one thing...6 mil for a player we got rid?
Nah...with our new found business acumen i fully expect Ince to sign for 4 though...we shall see...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 02, 2013, 06:07:09 PM
Sturridge it is then....

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8377245/Sturridge-Joins-Humongous-Liverpool
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
Sturridge it is then....

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8377245/Sturridge-Joins-Humongous-Liverpool

He has some great things to say about the club and the manager. Hopefully he can and will back his words up:

“I am delighted to sign for one of the biggest clubs in the world,” he said.

“I am humbled and happy to be here. My first impressions have been the same as the impressions I've had throughout my life - it's just a huge club and it's a dream for anybody to play for.

“The history of the club and the fans are amazing - it has everything a player could wish to have behind them.

“The manager said he sees me here for a long time - and I also see myself here for a long time too.

“I've not signed here to play for a couple of years and then move on. I've signed to be here for as long as possible.

“It's a humongous club and to have the fans and world-class players we have here is amazing.

“I'm just happy the manager has put faith in me. He is the first manager to actually pay for me and sign me, so I can't ask for any more from him or the club in bringing me here.

“I just can't wait for the games to start rolling on. I've not played for a while as I've had a couple of injuries over the last few months, but I'm just happy now to join such a great club, to be part of a revolution and to be part of something new and something special. Hopefully we'll be able to bring a bit of success for the fans.”

“I see myself as a striker. I think I perform best there because my attributes, I believe, are best as a central striker, but I have played on the wing and have learned a lot doing so,” he added.

“I'd never refuse to play in that position and I've never demanded to play up front, either.

“For me, whatever the manager wants me to do I will do it and work as hard as I can for the club and the fans.

“I'll try to put a smile on the fans' faces and try to bring some success to the club - it would be amazing.

“I'm quite quick, I like to dribble with the ball, to try and set up my team-mates. I'm quite direct and I like to shoot and pass

“The pace can help my team-mates put me through on goal, but most importantly it's just about working for the team and trying to help my team-mates win the game. That's what's more important than anything else - it doesn't really matter about me as an individual. It's about the team and about winning games.”

“I have been told by so many people that it's amazing and the feelings you'll have when you go out onto the pitch,” he said.

“When the fans sing 'You'll Never Walk Alone', as an opposition player it doesn't affect you - but playing for the team, it's a completely different feeling.

“You feel a lot of emotions and you just want to go out there and play your heart out. For me to join such a great club, have amazing fans and try to bring success to them will be a dream come true.”



Did he get Dirk to write that lot for him?  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 02, 2013, 08:10:31 PM
I'd love to know if this was a written press release from his agent.

It sounds like it - because I cannot imagine him delivering this PR bu.llsh.it nonsense in an audio interview.

but the bit that had me laughing was:

Quote
“The manager said he sees me here for a long time - and I also see myself here for a long time too.......I've not signed here to play for a couple of years and then move on. I've signed to be here for as long as possible."

Rodgers will be out on his ear, 6 months min, 12 months max.  How Rodgers can speak of Sturridge being at the club for a lifetime, is beyond any sane person......especially given the crappy quality of the players Rodgers has already brought to the club (and who cannot get a game).

There is a very good reason why Chelsea are selling the lad.  And there is a very good reason why no other top club is interested in him.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 08:36:23 PM
There is a very good reason why Chelsea are selling the lad.  And there is a very good reason why no other top club is interested in him.

I wonder how much Chelsea asked for and where our opening bid fell. This seems better value than the Borini transfer. We'll see going forward. If it takes some pressure off Suarez then all the better.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 02, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
We'll see going forward.

(http://www.chattanoogaville.com/images/Dracula_The_Cross.jpg)


oh no, Gurdeep, barticus, Ed, stand back.

Tes, I am utterly depressed to say, has been infected (by the GOING FORWARD virus).  He is now one of them.  For all we know, he may already be talking in a Sean Connery-esque accent.

Stay well back.  The going forward zombies will stop at nothing. 

Stay inside your homes.  Answer the door for nobody.

Arm yourself with crucifixes, facts, humility, brevity, and goal-scoring data.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
(http://www.chattanoogaville.com/images/Dracula_The_Cross.jpg)


oh no, Gurdeep, barticus, Ed, stand back.

Tes, I am utterly depressed to say, has been infected (by the GOING FORWARD virus).  He is now one of them.  For all we know, he may already be talking in a Sean Connery-esque accent.

Stay well back.  The going forward zombies will stop at nothing. 

Stay inside your homes.  Answer the door for nobody.

Arm yourself with crucifixes, facts, humility, brevity, and goal-scoring data.

Only time is guaranteed to go forward. Are we? If I knew the answer we'd all share in a lottery win every week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 09:41:45 PM
Joe Cole: West Ham set to sign Liverpool midfielder

Liverpool midfielder Joe Cole is set to join former club West Ham United on a permanent deal.

The 31-year-old is understood to have travelled to London for a medical with Sam Allardyce's Hammers after Liverpool accepted an offer for the player.

However, should the deal fall through, Queens Park Rangers are also interested in the player.

Cole has struggled to impress at Anfield following a free transfer move from Chelsea in 2010.

The former England international spent last season on loan at French club Lille.

Any move to West Ham would have to be made permanent because the London club already have striker Andy Carroll on loan from Liverpool.

Cole, though, would be available on a free transfer as Liverpool are prepared to cancel his contract and negotiate a settlement.

The player came through the youth ranks at Upton Park before moving to Chelsea for £6.6m in 2003.

He won three Premier League titles and two FA Cups in a seven-year stay with the Blues.

After failing to agree a new contract he moved to Merseyside but he has not been able to enjoy the same impact and has made just six substitute appearances this season.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20893195 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20893195)

This alone renders this window a success.  ;D I wonder how much the 'undisclosed fee' will cost us.  ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 02, 2013, 09:44:35 PM
Two wins, 6 goals , two clean sheets. Just what did Rodgers get off 'Santa'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 02, 2013, 11:07:09 PM
Only time is guaranteed to go forward. Are we? If I knew the answer we'd all share in a lottery win every week.

stand back men.

I fear he is possessed with possession data.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 03, 2013, 12:49:31 PM
Joe Cole: West Ham set to sign Liverpool midfielder

Liverpool midfielder Joe Cole is set to join former club West Ham United on a permanent deal.

The 31-year-old is understood to have travelled to London for a medical with Sam Allardyce's Hammers after Liverpool accepted an offer for the player.

However, should the deal fall through, Queens Park Rangers are also interested in the player.

Cole has struggled to impress at Anfield following a free transfer move from Chelsea in 2010.

The former England international spent last season on loan at French club Lille.

Any move to West Ham would have to be made permanent because the London club already have striker Andy Carroll on loan from Liverpool.

Cole, though, would be available on a free transfer as Liverpool are prepared to cancel his contract and negotiate a settlement.

The player came through the youth ranks at Upton Park before moving to Chelsea for £6.6m in 2003.

He won three Premier League titles and two FA Cups in a seven-year stay with the Blues.

After failing to agree a new contract he moved to Merseyside but he has not been able to enjoy the same impact and has made just six substitute appearances this season.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20893195 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20893195)

This alone renders this window a success.  ;D I wonder how much the 'undisclosed fee' will cost us.  ::)

By all accounts, 3 million....jesus wept

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2256077/Joe-Cole-3m-pay-Liverpool-joining-West-Ham.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 03, 2013, 01:21:44 PM
Yep £3m
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 03, 2013, 03:32:00 PM
Probably about enough to pay up his contract. Still, that's the wage bill lowered and Sahin will follow with his £90K a week. Hopefully we'll soon get to the point where we're not paying out to individuals who are giving nothing back or don't a constructive input into the squad. Then we can start to bring in and pay out to, players who will make a contribution.

It's great getting the wage bill purged off pointless outlay, but we need to work much harder at making sure new additions to it are contributing their worth in football terms relative to the increase in the payroll.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 03, 2013, 03:59:54 PM
we pay Cole 3 million to leave for West Ham.

we are paying, I imagine, a large chunk of 35 million Carroll's vast wages, at West Ham.

Liverpool FC should set up a direct debit to the bubble-blowers bank account.......would be a lot easier.  Why don;t we offer to fix up the olympic stadium for them too.

And Sahin is also about to leave.  He has only been at the club since August 25th.....little over 4 months.   

I'm sorry, but why aren;t Anfield scouts paying with their jobs for this ongoing fiasco? 

A club like ourselves, has not got the  resources to fund this endless transfer madness. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 04, 2013, 09:03:22 PM
we pay Cole 3 million to leave for West Ham.

Hopefully we'll have come to some arrangement over his final 18 months, seeing as he will be earning throughout that time at West Ham. Probably paid up his signing on fee for the last 12 months of his contract, and a portion of the 18 months.

We can't surely have paid up his contract in it's entirety otherwise it saves nothing and serves no purpose to be without him.

Then again......... ::)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 04, 2013, 11:56:01 PM
Hopefully we'll have come to some arrangement over his final 18 months, seeing as he will be earning throughout that time at West Ham. Probably paid up his signing on fee for the last 12 months of his contract, and a portion of the 18 months.

We can't surely have paid up his contract in it's entirety otherwise it saves nothing and serves no purpose to be without him.

Then again......... ::)

exactly.

speaking of wages and the inability of other clubs to take on our expensive mistakes, I was reading this tonight from Kevin Keegan, re Carroll.

Quote
Do you think there is a chance that Carroll could return to Newcastle in the summer?

"Of course it is a possibility but I think wages could be a problem. He's moved out into a different wage bracket – that's the very reason why Newcastle didn't buy out Demba Ba's contract. I really think the wages would stop Andy Carroll coming back. Would Liverpool compromise and pay part of the wages? Possibly – but that could prove to be complicated. Could they take him on loan? Well if West Ham can afford him, surely Newcastle can. Whatever deal West Ham have done with Liverpool, I don't think that they'll be paying his full wages. I don't think you could rely on Carroll going back."

just goes to the show the ridiculous wages we pay for lads to come to the club.  And then when they turn out rubbish we cannot get rid.  When oh when will we ever learn.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 05, 2013, 11:11:53 AM
A fairly balanced article on Sturride:

http://www.thehardtackle.com/2013/daniel-sturridge-a-victim-of-chelseas-politics-and-policies/ (http://www.thehardtackle.com/2013/daniel-sturridge-a-victim-of-chelseas-politics-and-policies/)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2013, 01:12:57 PM
just goes to the show the ridiculous wages we pay for lads to come to the club.  And then when they turn out rubbish we cannot get rid.  When oh when will we ever learn.

We've always been one of the league's higher payers, which is fine when you sign quality. When you keep signing low quality players and pay them the higher wages, it then becomes a problem.

Spurs and Arsenal have lower top salary caps than us and I'd rather not see us paying out extra to attract players, just because we don't have 'the chance to live in London' to offer them. Likewise, with free transfers. There's a reason(s) most players are free, so we shouldn't be paying them larger signing on fees and/or salaries than we would if we'd have 'bought' them, and higher than other 'better' players in the squad.
We should be benefiting from the saving on the fee, or at least feeling the bulk of the benefit, not handing it to the player, especially those who were wouldn't have given that much to if they'd not been a 'free'.
Other players don't take into consideration a player was 'free' when looking enviously at a lesser player earning more than them.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2013, 01:26:20 PM
Ince prepared to be patient and see out season at Blackpool as Liverpool argue over £6m fee

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2250976/Thomas-Ince-prepared-season-Blackpool-Liverpool-argue-6m-fee.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2250976/Thomas-Ince-prepared-season-Blackpool-Liverpool-argue-6m-fee.html)

If Ince is happy to do that, then that's what we should do. Save the cash to put towards someone else in the Summer, or if possible, in this window.

'Paying' for him now, when we can get him for compensation in the Summer, is the sort of stupidity that needs stamping out. We're not exactly flush with transfer funds, so Rodgers needs to start setting a new precedent at the club.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2013, 11:28:58 PM
Ince is now cup tied in the FA Cup having played for Blackpool today.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 05, 2013, 11:33:09 PM
Our CE will drive a hard bargain now.  Ince has lost at least 50 pence in value, after being cup-tied today.

no flies on Pam Ayres.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 06, 2013, 12:55:45 PM
Our CE will drive a hard bargain now.  Ince has lost at least 50 pence in value, after being cup-tied today.

no flies on Pam Ayres.

He'll probably offer more seeing as Ince can't get injured in the competition this season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2013, 10:57:00 PM
According to Macca the Ince deal is done.  ;D

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2013, 11:08:22 PM
Sturridge: "No Bigger Club Than Liverpool". Top trolling there, Daniel.

He'll have the comments section on any website that's published that going into meltdown. Just needs a goal against 'the unclean' and his legend status is guaranteed.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2013, 11:31:50 PM
Liverpool close to ending Ince saga with £6m deal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259250/Liverpool-close-6m-Tom-Ince-deal-Blackpool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259250/Liverpool-close-6m-Tom-Ince-deal-Blackpool.html)


Thomas Ince's return from Blackpool to Liverpool hits deadlock as clubs fail to agree over price

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9788987/Thomas-Inces-return-from-Blackpool-to-Liverpool-hits-deadlock-as-clubs-fail-to-agree-over-price.html# (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9788987/Thomas-Inces-return-from-Blackpool-to-Liverpool-hits-deadlock-as-clubs-fail-to-agree-over-price.html#)

Ha, you have to love the British media.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 09, 2013, 12:30:41 AM
Sturridge: "No Bigger Club Than Liverpool". Top trolling there, Daniel.

He'll have the comments section on any website that's published that going into meltdown. Just needs a goal against 'the unclean' and his legend status is guaranteed.

 :D

i think it would be fair to say that the lad did not enjoy his time at Stamford Bridge and was glad to leave.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 09, 2013, 12:56:13 PM
Some of his comments since arriving have been interesting. He's either got a terrific PR team working for him or he has a more humble side that hasn't been exposed previously.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 09, 2013, 01:02:41 PM
Some of his comments since arriving have been interesting. He's either got a terrific PR team working for him or he has a more humble side that hasn't been exposed previously.

agreed.

that initial statement when joining Liverpool, was the stuff of legend.

he must have had a hollywood scriptwriter concock that one!

i half expected morgan freeman to turn up at melwood, kitted out as our new red signing.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 09, 2013, 01:33:45 PM
i half expected morgan freeman to turn up at melwood, kitted out as our new red signing.

 :D

New director of communication?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 09, 2013, 01:41:22 PM
:D

New director of communication?

 :D

he'd be awesome to listen to.  We'd have the media and other clubs eating out of our paws.

we'd have the best narrator in the business, for our future DVDs.

tho I hate to imagine how Hollywood would portray our dominant era, and the CL victory in 2005.

reminded of this, because I was watching bits of Strike!  the other night (comic strip presents); where al pacino portrays arthur scargill, in a hollywood portrayal of the minders strike....classic stuff.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 10, 2013, 01:17:45 PM
Football365 reports...Turkish newspaper Fanatik claim Liverpool have offered €15 million for Fenerbahce striker Moussa Sow. The 26-year-old has scored 18 goals in 41 games for Fener since joining the club last January.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aNjrP2V1SL4
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 10, 2013, 07:31:02 PM
Football365 reports...Turkish newspaper Fanatik claim Liverpool have offered €15 million for Fenerbahce striker Moussa Sow. The 26-year-old has scored 18 goals in 41 games for Fener since joining the club last January.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aNjrP2V1SL4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aNjrP2V1SL4)

interesting African striker.   Tho admittedly lads from Turkish sides don;t always perform well in the top leagues.

if true, that definitely means Carroll won;t be returning from the bubble blowers.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 10, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
interesting African striker.   Tho admittedly lads from Turkish sides don;t always perform well in the top leagues.

if true, that definitely means Carroll won;t be returning from the bubble blowers.

Top scorer in the French liga 1 last season too.

I remember him being linked with us, Arsenal and Chelsea at various points from May last year and throughout the Summer before his rather surprising move to Turkey.

Whether Caarool returns must depend on his loan agreement. If it's a loan to buy with a definite purchase sum involved, if it's watertight, then he's gone. If not, we're stuck with him and either face selling off at a third or less than we paid or trying to find another loan where he could re-build his career and try to re-build our transfer fee expectations. Whenever it may be, if we get double figures for him I'd be surprised. Others, more interested in money than the player's good, have messed his career up big time.
Earnings wise, he's OK, but I have sympathy with what's happened to the footballing side of his life.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 11, 2013, 03:16:56 PM
Top scorer in the French liga 1 last season too.

I remember him being linked with us, Arsenal and Chelsea at various points from May last year and throughout the Summer before his rather surprising move to Turkey.

yes, he seems a decent bet.  Lots of potential.

It would be wonderful if we could unearth the new Drogba.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 11, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
yes, he seems a decent bet.  Lots of potential.

It would be wonderful if we could unearth the new Drogba.

Would be an excellent signing...but as he's not english and crap we've got no chance of getting him...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 11, 2013, 06:08:40 PM
Hmmm so that 2010/2011 bundesliga player of the year no mark is being greeted back to Dortmund with open arms...funny that....maybe rodgers can sign him again in the summer for 20 mil once he realises that he's worked with him previously...

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8391053/Sahin-Back-To-Dortmund
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 11, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
Would be an excellent signing...but as he's not english and crap we've got no chance of getting him...

what was it out great leader said only yesterday.....ah yes, "it might be sexy to look in Spain"   but there are better lads to be had at home....likes of downing, henderson and suchlike.  And so much cheaper too. 

and our great leader also added, that he has enhanced the careers of the once underachievers of previous regimes.

downing was about to be sold, and then brendan sprinkled his magic dust

enrique was off form, and then along came our great leader to reinvigorate the lad.

liverpool was a club going nowhere fast til Sir Brendan arrived and took us into freefall.   Brendan's new movie should be called SkyFall....with him as 007.

if he had only arrived earlier, he might also have saved Torres from the scrapheap.

and with his magic hands, and the healing power of worship, I suspect long term injuries would also have been a thing of the past.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 11, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
Hmmm so that 2010/2011 bundesliga player of the year no mark is being greeted back to Dortmund with open arms...funny that....maybe rodgers can sign him again in the summer for 20 mil once he realises that he's worked with him previously...

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8391053/Sahin-Back-To-Dortmund (http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8391053/Sahin-Back-To-Dortmund)

now we're talkin

the emperor just needs more time to turn this lad around

let him go back to germany; and then when his mind is right, he can return to the master and this time be mature enough to learn at his feet.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 11, 2013, 08:18:12 PM
what was it out great leader said only yesterday.....ah yes, "it might be sexy to look in Spain"   but there are better lads to be had at home....likes of downing, henderson and suchlike.  And so much cheaper too. 

and our great leader also added, that he has enhanced the careers of the once underachievers of previous regimes.

downing was about to be sold, and then brendan sprinkled his magic dust

enrique was off form, and then along came our great leader to reinvigorate the lad.

liverpool was a club going nowhere fast til Sir Brendan arrived and took us into freefall.   Brendan's new movie should be called SkyFall....with him as 007.

if he had only arrived earlier, he might also have saved Torres from the scrapheap.

and with his magic hands, and the healing power of worship, I suspect long term injuries would also have been a thing of the past.

The scary thing about that quote about improving people is that i thought you were joking Dude...and then i saw it was real...reality has become farcical indeed...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 11, 2013, 09:14:50 PM
I guess if scoring a goal and having an assist, where the total score in both columns was previously zero, then I guess Downing has improved, but it should hardly be enough to save his career with us.

Enrique showed his class when he first arrived, so it was more a case of regaining fitness and form than showing something previously unseen.

Downing's hardly turned into vintage Giggs.

I guess every glimmer of light, however small, should be welcomed, just not over played. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 11, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
The scary thing about that quote about improving people is that i thought you were joking Dude...and then i saw it was real...reality has become farcical indeed...

'Being Liverpool', is going to be the new sign to replace 'This is Anfield'.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 11, 2013, 10:43:04 PM
Torres keeps telling his team-mates he'd rather be back at Liverpool and the old guard are fuming... the inside story on how the sun is setting on the era at Chelsea

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2260472/Fernando-Torres-Chelsea-crisis--striker-tells-team-mates-wants-Liverpool-return.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2260472/Fernando-Torres-Chelsea-crisis--striker-tells-team-mates-wants-Liverpool-return.html)

Sorry old son, you chose to make your bed with a Chelsea duvet. Lying on a bed of roubles can be b!tch. You takes the money, you takes your choice. You took and you chose. Wrong decision. Tough.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 12, 2013, 06:37:56 PM
The scary thing about that quote about improving people is that i thought you were joking Dude...and then i saw it was real...reality has become farcical indeed...

 :D   yes Barticus, one literally could not make this stuff up.  Rodger's ego knows no bounds.  We are lucky to be in the presence of genius.  Sitting at the feet of this 39 year old bloke, who has spent only two seasons in the premiership, at mid-table level, is like sitting at the feet of Bob Paisley or Jock Stein.   ;D

here are his words from earlier this week.

Omni-present, his holiness, the one and only, Emperor Rodgers, who faces Manchester United at Old Trafford on Sunday, said: "It is all about the materials. I am not a magician.

I will be able to improve players – that is my work and I have confidence in that.

If I look at the first six months, I believe there has been improvement in a lot of the players.

I will be able to rinse everything that I possibly can out of them, but the bottom line is about talent. If you don't initially have that then it can be difficult. That is also why I was brought in here, because we will get talents and we will try to maximise what we can out of players.

You look at Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing and José Enrique since the start of the season and we have added value back to them. Absolutely. That is the job of the manager and the coach, as well as winning games.

My job is to improve players in every aspect of their game and that is something we will look to do because we don't have the resources of the top clubs who are out there paying big money. We won't have that. So we have to find the difference through coaching."
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 12, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
Quote
Omni-present, his holiness, the one and only, Emperor Rodgers, who faces Manchester United at Old Trafford on Sunday, said: "It is all about the materials. I am not a magician.

I will be able to improve players – that is my work and I have confidence in that. If I look at the first six months, I believe there has been improvement in a lot of the players.

I will be able to rinse everything that I possibly can out of them, but the bottom line is about talent. If you don't initially have that then it can be difficult.

That is also why I was brought in here, because we will get talents and we will try to maximise what we can out of players.

You look at Jordan Henderson, Stewart Downing and José Enrique since the start of the season and we have added value back to them. Absolutely.

That is the job of the manager and the coach, as well as winning games. My job is to improve players in every aspect of their game and that is something we will look to do because we don't have the resources of the top clubs who are out there paying big money. We won't have that. So we have to find the difference through coaching."

so essentially Emperor Rodgers has been to the mountain top.  He has seen the promised land.

he is a genius, but his magical powers do have their limitations.  He is humble enough to acknowledge that he is not God.  but he has already turned around the careers of non-believers, like Downing, Henderson and Enrique.  We may have to wait a little while longer on his magic dust working on Sahin, Shelvey, Allen and Borini.  Carroll is a lost cause, and Sturridge may also prove to be the same.

to get to the promised land, Emperor Rodgers will be our facilitator.  He knows the route we have to take.  It will be difficult ,with many barriers in our way.  There will be thorns.  It will be treacherous.  But with time and faith, we will get there under his guidance.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 12, 2013, 06:50:18 PM
'Being Liverpool', is going to be the new sign to replace 'This is Anfield'.

why waste time and resources with such an intermediary sign.

let's cut to the chase and replace This is Anfield, with

Being Brendan
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on January 12, 2013, 07:00:12 PM
Sahin, Shelvey, Allen and Borini.  Carroll is a lost cause, and Sturridge may also prove to be the same.
Sahin's left for Dortmund!

I agree though it did seem an odd quote. Enrique
and Downing have shown what they can do prior
to this season and Henderson is into his 2nd season
(there's an expectation of natural progression and
improvement at that age)

I'm reminded of someone asking Jock Stein about his
European cup triumph in which he steadfastly refused
to take any credit, putting it all on the players. Some
managers are so good they don't feel the need to talk
about it.

Anyway tomorrow we walk in the valley of the shadow
of darkness so here's hoping we tear into them like hyenas  :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 12, 2013, 09:39:31 PM
why waste time and resources with such an intermediary sign.

let's cut to the chase and replace This is Anfield, with

Being Brendan

Enough already, really mate. We all know your stance so why persist? It's just boring and tedious and most disappointing of all, I know you're soooo much better than that.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 12, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
I know you're soooo much better than that.

He really isn't.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 13, 2013, 12:28:08 AM
I know you're soooo much better than that.

I think you've misread me, Mister Bond  (evil laughter)

 :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 13, 2013, 12:49:12 AM
He really isn't.  :D

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 13, 2013, 01:09:53 AM
Sahin's left for Dortmund!

I agree though it did seem an odd quote. Enrique
and Downing have shown what they can do prior
to this season and Henderson is into his 2nd season
(there's an expectation of natural progression and
improvement at that age)

I'm reminded of someone asking Jock Stein about his
European cup triumph in which he steadfastly refused
to take any credit, putting it all on the players. Some
managers are so good they don't feel the need to talk
about it.

Anyway tomorrow we walk in the valley of the shadow
of darkness so here's hoping we tear into them like hyenas  :)

and then, should we ever lead, get smart like the lion....and draw them out.  We struggle because of our very limited tactics.

great to hear Sahin found a good place to go, to play his football.  I cannot understand why he struggled with us.

agreed re Jock Stein.  But then again genuinely smart decent people tend to do their talking on the pitch.   

as people, it is always for others to judge us (not we ourselves, to blow our own trumpets about our humility and abilities, etc).

But i will add one small disclaimer - yes, people like Shankly and Ali blew their own trumpets - but they were playing a far higher intellectual game (not like what we see from the OLearys and Rodgers of this world). 

In another era, Shankly could have been a politician or a leader within a movement. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on January 13, 2013, 01:57:47 AM
and then, should we ever lead, get smart like the lion....and draw them out.  We struggle because of our very limited tactics.

great to hear Sahin found a good place to go, to play his football.  I cannot understand why he struggled with us.

agreed re Jock Stein.  But then again genuinely smart decent people tend to do their talking on the pitch.   
Losing is unthinkable, but they're under pressure themselves
at the top if the other result favours City. Fergie'll settle for a draw
(pragmatist). Here's hoping someone steps up for us and claims all 3,
preferably a hotly debated peno in the 96th minute.

Dunno if he ever got a good run in the team (his wages
were 90 grand, I think). All of a sudden the options in
midfield look weak again, which is a worry.

Aye, Busby, Shanks and Stein.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 13, 2013, 09:51:17 AM
Is it just me or is the timing of Gerrard's criticism of the youth policy with the surfacing rumours we've tabled a bid for Sneijder a mere coincidence?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 13, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
our owners seem to be making it up as they go along.

for the past 18 months, the story is that they want to curb our large wage bill....and focus on bringing in young (read that as, cheap) players.....thus we see the likes of Kuyt being sold for peanuts.

but now today, the papers are reporting that we are keen on Inter's Wesley Sneijder.

the bloke is 28 years old, and depending on what journalist you listen to, earns between 170,000 and 220,000 pounds per week.

bizarre senior management transfer policy.  They are making it up as they go along.




Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 13, 2013, 07:37:57 PM
Ah, that record where have I heard it before? :-*
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 13, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
Is it just me or is the timing of Gerrard's criticism of the youth policy with the surfacing rumours we've tabled a bid for Sneijder a mere coincidence?

I think it's a Rodgers inspired ploy to try and get our owners to understand that experienced players have a 'value' also and it's not just about re-sale value or the ability to make a profit on a player.
Afterall, if your buy proves a success, why would you want to sell that player unless he can either be improved upon (hard to do if the purchase is the right one) or he's just started down the slope of decline, nearing the end of his career.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 13, 2013, 08:32:30 PM
Ah, that record where have I heard it before? :-*

Desert Island Discs?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 13, 2013, 10:41:44 PM
speaking of Desert Island Disks.

in case anyone is interested, there are zillions of episodes to download here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/find-a-castaway#/page/1 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/find-a-castaway#/page/1)

I have been downloading and listening to scores of shows in recent weeks.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 14, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
speaking of Desert Island Disks.

in case anyone is interested, there are zillions of episodes to download here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/find-a-castaway#/page/1 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/find-a-castaway#/page/1)

I have been downloading and listening to scores of shows in recent weeks.

It was an amazingly simple idea for a show, but it's longevity showed how successful Roy Plumley's idea was.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 14, 2013, 11:14:45 PM
It was an amazingly simple idea for a show, but it's longevity showed how successful Roy Plumley's idea was.

yes. simple ideas are usually the best.

I think that Roy Plumley's estate still holds the rights to the name/show.

IIRC the BBC has to pay royalties to use the format.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 14, 2013, 11:40:33 PM
Quote
Is it just me or is the timing of Gerrard's criticism of the youth policy with the surfacing rumours we've tabled a bid for Sneijder a mere coincidence?


I think it's a Rodgers inspired ploy to try and get our owners to understand that experienced players have a 'value' also and it's not just about re-sale value or the ability to make a profit on a player.
Afterall, if your buy proves a success, why would you want to sell that player unless he can either be improved upon (hard to do if the purchase is the right one) or he's just started down the slope of decline, nearing the end of his career.

Brendan Rodgers: Liverpool FC are no soft touch but could benefit from more experience

By Ian Doyle  Jan 14 2013


BRENDAN RODGERS has dismissed criticism Liverpool FC have become a soft touch – but admitted his team would benefit from more experience.

Fingers were pointed at the Anfield outfit after the dismal first-half performance in their 2-1 defeat at Manchester United on Sunday.

Liverpool were accused of being overly respectful to the Premier League leaders with the game lacking the usual bite in midfield until the visitors had fallen two goals behind.

And while Rodgers does not have any problems with his team’s tenacity, he accepts the need for more stronger, seasoned personalities to aid the likes of Raheem Sterling and Andre Wisdom.

Asked if his players were too nice, the Liverpool manager responded: “Not really. When you play a more technical game, that will always be cast at you.

“We could easily get all the back four up to the halfway line and get Pepe (Reina) to smash it up the pitch and play fighting football and then it looks like you are aggressive and fighting.

“We have enough people who can put their foot in and press the ball and in the modern game it is very difficult to do that anyway. The tackles you used to do years ago you cannot get away with.

“We have enough physicality in the team but we need a few more players who are experienced.

“The biggest thing is experience. If you look at United’s bench on Sunday and then you look at ours, then that is the gap in our squad.

“We have to improve on that, I think we will do that but it will take a few more windows and then we will be ready to compete, for sure.”

Rodgers, who has taken Norway international Vegard Forren on trial, added: “We have got Steven Gerrard, who is one of the best examples of that in the country in the last 10 years or so.

“We have got that aggression in there. It is not about what size you are, it is about the aggression you have inside you and in the second half the ability to fight was much better.

“Aggression isn’t about having a 6ft 3ins player in the middle of the field who is going to drive you forward, aggression is in the mind.

“You could see in the second half that we were much more aggressive in our play and attitude in the game and we should have got something.”

Liverpool have now lost 10 of their last 11 visits to Old Trafford while their record against the top five – United, City, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea – since the start of last season has seen them win only three of 16 games.

And Stewart Downing admitted Rodgers’ men were disappointed at their failure to get among the United players during their tentative opening 45 minutes.

“We paid them too much respect in the first half,” said Downing. “We let them pass it around and we sat back.

“That was the first thing the manager said to us at half-time: he told us we had to go and get in among them. He told us we had to press them and test them.

“Even though they are good players, if you put them under pressure they can struggle. We certainly did that in the second half. That is why we were so disappointed in the dressing room.

“The encouraging things are the way we are passing and moving. That is good. But it was disappointing that we sat off them.”

Meanwhile, in-demand Molde central defender Forren will train at Melwood for the rest of the week.

The 24-year-old broke into the Norway national team this season where he partners Fulham’s Brede Hangeland.

Everton were among several other clubs to have watched the defender, who has attracted previous interest from AC Milan, Newcastle United and Bundesliga side Hoffenheim.



http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2013/01/14/99623-32599119/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2013/01/14/99623-32599119/)

I've read that both Manc clubs were interested in Forren too.

Could be a minor coup getting him. Though that may look like Coates is not in Rodgers' long term plans.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 15, 2013, 01:30:56 PM
Forren trail cancelled as Southampton have swooped in ahead of us:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21028507 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21028507)


You just can't trust forreners.  :D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 15, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
Gazumped by...Milan? Barca? Manure? Arsenal? etc? ....by Southampton...

*sobs*

when will this misery end?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 15, 2013, 03:05:40 PM
It doesn't seem like we were too serious. Asking a 24 year old to come for a trial does seem 'unconventional' though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 15, 2013, 03:26:38 PM
QPR looking at getting M'Vila, whilst we are looking: at our navals / clueless / uber clever waiting for the 'right deal' / small time / up at the stars twinkling in the night sky (delete as appropriate).
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 15, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
Gazumped by...Milan? Barca? Manure? Arsenal? etc? ....by Southampton...

*sobs*

when will this misery end?

fear not, Big Sam will transform Anfield next season.

nothing but the best for Werner and John Henry.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 15, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
QPR looking at getting M'Vila, whilst we are looking: at our navals / clueless / uber clever waiting for the 'right deal' / small time / up at the stars twinkling in the night sky (delete as appropriate).

twas a lovely starry night here last night.....awesome.

as an uber clever club, I think we will wait til the end of the January window before selling our keeper.....and then smartly spend the next 5 months researching who to replace him with come the summer window.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 15, 2013, 04:45:26 PM
You just can't trust forreners.  :D


........It doesn't seem like we were too serious. Asking a 24 year old to come for a trial does seem 'unconventional' though.

maybe the expensive andy carroll,Alberto Aquilani and joe cole episodes have stung the club.

even messi would have to have a trial were he to venture towards Melwood.

it's cutting edge recruitment policy.....to be sure, to be sure, to be sure
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 16, 2013, 03:07:50 PM
Ian Ayre Exclusive: Why Liverpool FC's youth policy is the right way forward

by James Pearce   Jan 16 2013


IAN AYRE insists Liverpool FC’s transfer strategy won’t prevent manager Brendan Rodgers from adding experience to his squad.

The Reds operate a policy with the emphasis on signing players under the age of 24 - but the managing director says it’s not “set in stone” and exceptions will be made.

Owners Fenway Sports Group (FSG) want to invest in youth to build for the long-term and that is reflected in the business which has been done since Rodgers was appointed last summer.

Fabio Borini (21), Joe Allen (22), Samed Yesil (18) and Daniel Sturridge (23) all fit that profile.

Loan signing Nuri Sahin, whose stay was cut short last week, is 23 and the oldest player to have been brought in was Oussama Assaidi, who celebrated his 24th birthday two days before his arrival.

Skipper Steven Gerrard has questioned the wisdom of turning your back on more senior professionals – citing the example of former Scotland midfielder Gary McAllister, who made a big impact at Anfield after joining on a free transfer at the age of 35 in 2000.

Ayre believes the Reds are right to focus their attention on emerging talent but stresses players over 24 are not off limits.

Ayre told the Echo: “If you remember back to the sale of the club, John Henry said we want to win but we don’t just want to win once, we want to build something which keeps winning.

“If we’re going to do that then we need to do it from the ground up with young players, so that when you start winning you have still got the majority of that group to keep contributing over a period of time.

1   “It’s not a policy which is set in stone but it’s an aspiration. If we feel there’s a particular position or player who can contribute to the group and is over that sort of age limit, it doesn’t mean we won’t consider that player.

“As everyone saw in the summer we renewed deals with many of our senior player. So experience is vital and we will consider more experienced players where it makes sense. 


“But where a player is younger and talented with the right level of ability, we will always go for the younger option because it’s a better long term investment for the club to have someone who will be here a long time hopefully.”

At the end of the summer transfer window FSG refused to meet Fulham’s £6million valuation of 29-year-old Clint Dempsey due to his age and lack of resale value. The American international ended up signing for Tottenham.

With Andy Carroll having already departed on a season-long loan to West Ham, Rodgers was left desperately short of firepower for the first half of the campaign.

That gaping hole in the squad was belatedly filled with the £12million signing of striker Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea earlier this month.

Ayre, who is responsible for conducting transfer negotiations, has no regrets about the Reds’ inactivity on deadline day last August.

“The issue then came down to a particular deal and a particular price or structure to that deal. It wasn’t right to do it,” he said.

“Likewise the interest in certain other players wasn’t right. Sometimes you have to be stronger for the greater good.

“People may feel they want to criticise the fact we didn’t have an additional striker. But at what price would you sacrifice spending for something that is not in the long term interests of the club versus what we just did, which was getting a great price on a great player in Daniel Sturridge?

“If we had spent that money in the summer then we wouldn’t have done that trade recently.

“It may have left us short, but the pieces just did not come together. We’ve come through that period now. I still feel it was the right decision.”

The contribution of Robin van Persie for Manchester United this term has highlighted the instant benefits of buying someone at the peak of his powers.

The 29-year-old Dutchman has already plundered 21 goals following his £24million move from Arsenal.

At the end of his four-year contract his value will be minimal but by then he’s likely to have repaid that fee several times over.

“Absolutely, but if you look at the United team they have a very established group and have added a very experienced player to that,” Ayre added.

“What we are doing is that we are building something. But if the right more senior player became available and was the right person to contribute - and the manager made that point strongly - 2  we would definitely consider it.”

The danger with building for the long-term is that Liverpool’s established players who crave a return to the Champions League could become impatient and consider their futures.

With the likes of Luis Suarez, Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel having all penned new deals in the past six months, Ayre is confident that won’t happen.

However, the Reds’ MD admits that as a club they must continue to convince them that they can achieve their ambitions by staying at Anfield.

“Of course we have to progress to be able to hang on to our world class talent,” added Ayre. “But we wouldn’t be doing it if we didn’t think we would progress.

“You need to have a mix in your squad and we have probably got the best balance in terms of any team in the league.

“Our two most senior players have spent their whole careers at this football club. At the lower end we have a bunch of five or six very young players who have come through our Academy process and are now contributing for the first team.

“Then in the middle of that we’ve got world class international players like Luis Suarez, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Pepe Reina and Lucas Leiva etc. That’s the right mix I think.

“We’ve got people who understand what this club really means and have enjoyed success here. We’ve got young players breaking through, learning and getting experience from them.

“Then we’ve got international players like Luis Suarez who could be playing anywhere in the world – but he’s playing at Liverpool FC.

“We will continue to add to the group and improve it. Daniel Sturridge signed recently and has made an immediate impact.

“We may or may not add to that further before the end of January. That’s something we’re still working on and considering. 3  We will only buy when the right deal is there at the right time.”  
PART TWO: See Ian Ayre's thoughts on Financial Fair Play, player contracts, the stadium, the season so far - only in tomorrow's ECHO

Unmissable!!!  ;D


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2013/01/16/ian-ayre-exclusive-why-liverpool-fc-s-youth-policy-is-the-right-way-forward-100252-32608698/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2013/01/16/ian-ayre-exclusive-why-liverpool-fc-s-youth-policy-is-the-right-way-forward-100252-32608698/)

1. So whilst there's not a definative ban on buying players over 24 y.o as they will be considered, who is going to do the considering, as no-one in the administration is in the least bit qualified to be able to bring an informed judgement to the party, and it seems that signing experience is about extending contracts of players over 24.

2. Wow - just consider it strongly - and who would be doig the 'considering' - second thoughts the answer
is too depressing.

3. How does Allen for £15M and Borini for circa £10M+ fit that description?

 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 16, 2013, 06:24:34 PM
if I was the owner, I'd stop my horse for a minute, spit my tobacco to the ground, look back at Ayres and Rodgers and say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt87mXL_ftg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt87mXL_ftg)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 17, 2013, 12:11:51 AM
if I was the owner, I'd stop my horse for a minute, spit my tobacco to the ground, look back at Ayres and Rodgers and say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt87mXL_ftg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt87mXL_ftg)

All we need is a riff and a chorus putting to it.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 17, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
From: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2263807/Liverpool-offer-players-lower-basic-salaries-performance-related-bonuses.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2263807/Liverpool-offer-players-lower-basic-salaries-performance-related-bonuses.html)


Liverpool will give new players performance-related contracts, signalling the end of stars coming into Anfield on huge wages.

If this is true then I applaud whoever decided it. If players don't sign for us because of it, then even better.
If they're not prepared to 'earn' their money or don't think they are being paid enough (without being willing to earn it), we don't want you.

Gone are the days when players can come in on much higher salaries than they were on at their previous club, think they've 'made it' and no longer need to work as hard and then 'coast' through their contract.

If this is implemented properly, then I think other clubs will follow.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 17, 2013, 02:30:48 PM
MODIBO DIAKITE WAITS FOR LIVERPOOL’S NEXT MOVE

By Charles Perrin  January 17 2013




LIVERPOOL target Modibo Diakite is waiting for the Barclays Premier League club to make a move for him.

Diakite has decided not to sign a contract extension with Lazio, and besides Liverpool, has been linked with a move to fellow Serie A giants Inter Milan.

Brendan Rodgers is keen to beef up his options at the back, with retirement on the horizon for veteran defender Jamie Carragher.

Moreover, Liverpool’s rearguard has been porous, conceding 28 goals in the Premier League this season.

Italian football site Forza Italian Football reports that despite Lazio president Claudio Lotito proposing a salary increase from £625,000 a year to £659,000 plus bonuses, Diakite is not interested and he is adamant that he wants to leave.

Diakite is a free agent as of the summer. He has been at Lazio since August 2006.


http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/371458 (http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/371458)

We could pay him £15K a week (a mere £780k p.a) + bonuses and still give him a nice payrise. Just shows how hyper-inflated salaries are in the PL, no wonder we're looking to cut our payroll.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 17, 2013, 08:19:24 PM
Now we're even being made to look foolish by FSG's own media outlet:

Ian Ayre Says Liverpool Can Attract and Retain World’s Best Soccer Players

based on: "Can Liverpool still attract the best? Absolutely. Not only attract the best there is but also retain the best there is. Look at the commitment shown by the likes of [Luis] Suarez, [Daniel] Agger, [Martin] Skrtel and [Raheem] Sterling, who have all signed new deals.

We remain a world class club and a world class attraction to players. I read that Daniel Sturridge said he has joined the biggest club in the Premier League — that says it all. Here’s a player who has played for Chelsea and Manchester City. He had seen the size, the power of this club and what it means after just a few days in the place.
"

http://nesn.com/2013/01/ian-ayre-says-liverpool-can-attract-and-retain-worlds-best-soccer-players/ (http://nesn.com/2013/01/ian-ayre-says-liverpool-can-attract-and-retain-worlds-best-soccer-players/)

Even I couldn't stretch Ayres' words to that extent and I'd be wanting to batter him with them.

Yet again, FSG, need to recruit the right people for that shody website. Starting with some Brits who actually 'know and understand' football, not some muppet who developed a 'love of soccer' by reading about it on wikipaedia, and preferably someone who understands English, English English that is.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 17, 2013, 10:48:49 PM
Sebastian go? Liverpool defender Coates is wanted on loan by West Brom

By Alan Nixon  17 January 2013




West Brom boss Steve Clarke wants to rescue Liverpool’s flop defender Sebastian Coates.

Clarke worked with the centre-back when he came to Anfield in a ­big-money buy and thinks he can resurrect his career.

He hopes to do a deal with his old club in the next 48 hours and sign Coates on loan with a view to a full-time signing if he proves himself at the Baggies.

Coates played the full 90 minutes of Liverpool's draw with Manchester City in August, but has seen just 49 minutes of Premier League action since.

Brendan Rodgers has instead used him in the League Cup and Europa League.

Clarke knows he has big interest in central defender Jonas Olsson from QPR.

However, West Brom hope to sign Coates and will then let England Under-21 international Craig Dawson out on loan, with Bolton heading the queue for his signature.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-sebastian-coates-is-a-west-1542425 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-sebastian-coates-is-a-west-1542425)

No problem with him going out on loan as long as there's no purchase clause. If he gets first team football and flops, then maybe let him go, but if he proves himself on loan, then we want him back here.
Also, we'd need to get a replacement in, even if he was just going on loan.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 18, 2013, 06:58:00 AM
Sebastian go? Liverpool defender Coates is wanted on loan by West Brom

By Alan Nixon  17 January 2013

West Brom boss Steve Clarke wants to rescue Liverpool’s flop defender Sebastian Coates.

Clarke worked with the centre-back when he came to Anfield in a ­big-money buy and thinks he can resurrect his career.

He hopes to do a deal with his old club in the next 48 hours and sign Coates on loan with a view to a full-time signing if he proves himself at the Baggies.

Coates played the full 90 minutes of Liverpool's draw with Manchester City in August, but has seen just 49 minutes of Premier League action since.

Brendan Rodgers has instead used him in the League Cup and Europa League.

Clarke knows he has big interest in central defender Jonas Olsson from QPR.

However, West Brom hope to sign Coates and will then let England Under-21 international Craig Dawson out on loan, with Bolton heading the queue for his signature.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-sebastian-coates-is-a-west-1542425 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-sebastian-coates-is-a-west-1542425)

No problem with him going out on loan as long as there's no purchase clause. If he gets first team football and flops, then maybe let him go, but if he proves himself on loan, then we want him back here.
Also, we'd need to get a replacement in, even if he was just going on loan.

No wonder Clarke wants him.
Really can't see us getting a replacement Tes, that would be far too sensible...
We'll let him go on loan with some bloody awful purchase clause for 3 mil. He'll play like Maldini for the rest of the season and look like a 30 million pound player.

I'm making this up as i go along but with the new Liverpool Football Club even P.G. Woodhouse couldn't come up with the farce that we've become.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 18, 2013, 10:53:20 AM
we need scouts and a manager that can actually spot a top player, and make top use of his qualities.

It was only ten days ago when Brent was telling the world, that his job was to wring every last piece of skill and talent out of players.  I get the clear feeling that he would struggle to wring talent out of even the best players in the world.  e.g. Messi.  Indeed, I am not even sure that he would identify their best skills and best position.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 18, 2013, 02:18:23 PM
It was only ten days ago when Brent was telling the world, that his job was to wring every last piece of skill and talent out of players. 

Yeah that's an interesting one...if it's his job to wring every last piece of skill and talent out of players....and he can't seem to do it with Maxi, Aquilani, Kuyt, Bellamy, Carroll, Sahin, Spearing, Coates, Adam, Yesil, Cole, Pacheco, Wilson and Morgan...14 players!!!!! then can i act as devil's advocate and say maybe he isn't doing his job?   
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 18, 2013, 06:39:39 PM
can i act as devil's advocate and say maybe he isn't doing his job?

maybe he's simply a sh.ite manager that's all PR and no substance.

*puts on tin hat and runs for bunker*
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 19, 2013, 02:26:06 PM
“I was given a job at one of the biggest clubs in the world,” David Brent said. “That is never always going to be easy but the owners have been brilliant. They have given me some money to spend and we have brought in young players. There is no doubt they want to look at young players, those who can develop for the next seven to 10 years. But I think it is healthy not to agree. I have not got to where I am at such a young age by saying yes all the time."
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 19, 2013, 02:37:21 PM
Experienced players

Brent reckons:  “There are certain times when you need that experience. Look at Van Persie. You bring him in at 29 and there is absolutely no question that he reinvigorates Ryan Giggs, Rio Ferdinand and Paul Scholes. He also gives the young players something too. If we bring in an experienced player of the right quality and the right sort, there is absolutely no question it gives Steven Gerrard a boost that he needs.”

I hadn't realised it was important to have a good balance of age.  You know what, we could do worse than sign that lad Dirk Kuyt.   He's on fire this season with Fenerbahçe - 6 goals in 16 games.  3 or 4 million quid should be enough to pick him up.......and he's on only 2.85 million euros salary - which is some 47,000 pounds per week. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 20, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
6 goal in 16 games is someone who's on fire? in a league which is much lower in quality than the premier league. Ok
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 20, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
ssssh, just  to fill you in (keep it to yourself, mind).  But this striker has also played for the number one ranked team in Europe, and scored in a Champions League final, and played in a World Cup final.

Superb abilities, will run through walls all day for the team, and great attitude and temperament.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 21, 2013, 06:03:14 PM
He seemed to go off the boil a little last year but he's only 20 and has promise...he's an attacking midfielder
I'd prefer to spend the money on this lad than on ince who can join us for free in the summer...

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8420239/Liverpool-In-Talks-With-Inter-Milan-On-Coutinho
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 21, 2013, 08:36:12 PM
He seemed to go off the boil a little last year but he's only 20 and has promise...he's an attacking midfielder
I'd prefer to spend the money on this lad than on ince who can join us for free in the summer...

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8420239/Liverpool-In-Talks-With-Inter-Milan-On-Coutinho

I'd be surprised if we got him. He's saying he wants to stay and prove himself at Inter.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 21, 2013, 09:05:42 PM
Seems to have gone all quiet on the Coates front. Maybe we can't find or afford a replacement.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 21, 2013, 10:02:08 PM
We've offered £8m and Inter want £15m, so assume we'll meet in the middle somewhere.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 21, 2013, 10:30:07 PM
We've offered £8m and Inter want £15m, so assume we'll meet in the middle somewhere.

Good player from what I remember of him during around and after Benitez's tenure there, but if we're talking about £12M or so, is he the right player at the right price at this moment in time?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 22, 2013, 01:25:03 AM
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers hopes to secure Inter Milan's Phillipe Coutinho ahead of Oldham Cup tie

By John Percy  21 Jan 2013


 Rodgers is in advanced negotiations with Inter over a deal to sign the Brazil international and Liverpool expect to seal their second January signing by the end of this week.

Liverpool's first bid was rejected last week but they are ready to offer a £6 million down payment with further instalments taking the transfer closer towards a final £8 million.

Talks between the two clubs resumed on Monday and barring any late hitches, Coutinho should join Daniel Sturridge as the latest arrival at Anfield this month.

Coutinho's versatility appeals to Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, as he can play in central midfield and as a second striker. The 20 year-old was signed from Brazilian club Vasco da Gama and given his first-team debut by former Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez and has established a reputation as one of Serie A's most prodigious young talents.

His age also fits the profile for Rodgers, who could still move for Blackpool and England under-21 international winger Thomas Ince before the transfer window closes next week.

Coutinho could even make his Liverpool debut against Oldham in the FA Cup fourth round at Boundary Park on Sunday.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9816749/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-hopes-to-secure-Inter-Milans-Phillipe-Coutinho-ahead-of-Oldham-Cup-tie.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9816749/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-hopes-to-secure-Inter-Milans-Phillipe-Coutinho-ahead-of-Oldham-Cup-tie.html)

Simply can't see the fee being this low, especially as Sneijder's left. Surely Inter see Coutinho as a long term replacement.

Also, I don't see how we'll tie the Ince deal up if Oyston refuses to take calls.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 22, 2013, 08:41:23 AM
Simply can't see the fee being this low, especially as Sneijder's left. Surely Inter see Coutinho as a long term replacement.

Also, I don't see how we'll tie the Ince deal up if Oyston refuses to take calls.

Read somewhere Inter's economy is free falling. As for Ince, wasn't it the same with Adam? He refused to take our calls to hold on to him for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: barticus on January 22, 2013, 06:51:34 PM
If Ince wants to play for quote 'a big club' unquote....aka us...then he can do his damndest to sign for us in the summer...tbh..as we sold him he should hold no loyalty to us...apart from some tenous dad link...
coutinho seems happy at inter...
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8422188/Liverpool-Target-Coutinho-Hopes-To-Stay-At-Inter-

at the end of the day we want players who want to play for us...the name, the shirt etc...if they don't then there are plenty of other who will...
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 22, 2013, 08:45:35 PM
Read somewhere Inter's economy is free falling. As for Ince, wasn't it the same with Adam? He refused to take our calls to hold on to him for the remainder of the season.

He did. There's an additional year clause to his contract but I've no idea under what circumstances it gets activated.

I think we should leave this until the Summer and see how motivated Ince is to join us. He shouldn't be a priority.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 22, 2013, 11:11:16 PM
Mersey dash: Pepe Reina's agent jetting to Liverpool for talks on keeper's future

By Alan Nixon  22 Jan 2013


Liverpool keeper Pepe Reina's agent is heading for showdown talks over the Spanish star's future at the club.

Reina's long-standing adviser, Manuel Quillon, will be on Merseyside on Wednesday for top-level discussions with the Anfield brass, because of growing doubts about his place in manager Brendan Rodgers' plans.

Barcelona could be looking for a keeper next summer while Arsenal, Inter Milan and even Manchester United are watching developments.

Rodgers has been checking out other keepers over the last few month, when Reina's performances have been mixed and his ability to start moves from the back has become a tactical issue.

Quillon wants to find out if Reina is going to be Liverpool's number one down the line.

And if the Reds say the 30-year-old can go, Quillon will want to know their asking price as some of the interested parties prepared to pay for a top keeper in this window.

Reina is on around £100,000 per week - the kind of wage that reduces the field of interested clubs to all but the elite.

Arsenal admire Reina, but the cost of the whole package would be a problem for them.

Inter are also keen, but the fee would probably be an issue.

Reina will inevitably be in former club Barca's sights - along with others - if Victor Valdes is sold in the summer rather than letting him leave on a a free when his contract expires at the end of next season.

United have a problem to address following David de Gea's latest mistake in Sunday's draw with Spurs, but will not over-pay for a keeper of Reina's age.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-pepe-reinas-agent-1549635#comments (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-pepe-reinas-agent-1549635#comments)

Trouble at t'mill?

I we replace him with someone better, then fine, but if we  replace him with someone just because they're younger and/or cheaper, then that would be madness, from a footballing perspective. Then again, our owners know nothing about football and seem to have little interest in learning.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 22, 2013, 11:45:52 PM
absolute madness to let Reina go.

one would imagine the fact that the top clubs in england are keen on acquiring Reina, would be a clue to Brent.

he's 30 and now entering his best years, as a keeper.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 23, 2013, 12:08:14 AM
absolute madness to let Reina go.

one would imagine the fact that the top clubs in england are keen on acquiring Reina, would be a clue to Brent.

he's 30 and now entering his best years, as a keeper.

Like you Dude my worry is that we won't replace him with better, just cheaper or younger. Like you say there are some 'big teams' sniffing around him. That should be a clue to his worth and quality.

I think we should try and get José Ochotorena, who was the first goalkeeping coach we had under Rafa, and the one that Reina rates the highest. He's back at Valencia at the moment.  Xavi Valero is at Chelsea now.

I found a very interesting piece about the 'decline' of Pepe:

http://liverpoolscout.com/2012/07/04/the-decline-of-pepe-reina/ (http://liverpoolscout.com/2012/07/04/the-decline-of-pepe-reina/) 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 23, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
LIVERPOOL BIDE THEIR TIME WITH FEDERICO FAZIO

By Charles Perrin    January 23 2013


LIVERPOOL are remaining patient as they weigh up a move for Sevilla defender Federico Fazio.

The Argentine has already been linked with moves to Bundesliga outfit Hoffenheim and Russian club Zenit St Petersburg.

Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers is hoping to make some additions to his squad this month, and the defence is one priority for him as his side have leaked 28 goals in the Barclays Premier League this season.

Fazio is valued at £5m, so the Reds shouldn’t have too much of a problem meeting the asking price.

ESPN reveals Hoffenheim have already had a bid for Fazio rejected by Sevilla.

Fazio’s agent Alvaro Torres insisted his client will only leave Sevilla if the right offer comes in.

He said: “Hoffenheim made an offer, but at the moment it is not something that is acceptable to Sevilla or the player.

“Neither Zenit nor any other Russian club has made a formal offer, although it is true that some clubs have sounded out the possibility.

“No player leaves a club to go somewhere he does not want. The offer must interest both Sevilla and the player.”

Fazio’s contract at Sevilla runs out in 18 months.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/372747 (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/372747)

So he's a replacement for, if it happens?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 23, 2013, 11:51:57 PM
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers makes improved £8 million offer for Inter Milan midfielder Philippe Coutinho

By John Percy  23 Jan 2013


 Rodgers has increased his offer for the Brazil international after further negotiations with Inter over the past 48 hours and remains confident of striking a deal despite competition from Southampton.

Liverpool’s latest bid is expected to be their last and they are not prepared to enter into a bidding war with Southampton, who have offered £10 million.

Mauricio Pochettino, the new Southampton manager, worked with Coutinho at Espanyol last season and his club have agreed to meet Inter’s asking price for the 20-year-old.

But it is believed Coutinho is not interested in a move to St Mary’s and Liverpool hope to agree a deal before the weekend.

Liverpool’s initial £6 million bid was rejected late last week but they have restructured their latest offer and agreed to pay an extra £2 million up front. Inter have been beset by financial problems and could find the promise of £8 million difficult to turn down.



Coutinho will require a work permit to seal a move to the Premier League and this week’s haggling means it is now unlikely he will make his debut against Oldham Athletic in the FA Cup on Sunday.

Earlier this week he had appeared to distance himself from a move to Anfield by insisting he wanted to stay and fight for his place but Liverpool remain hopeful of completing their second signing of this transfer window.

Liverpool have already signed Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea this month in a £12 million deal and are interested in Blackpool’s Thomas Ince, though not at the Championship club’s asking price.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9822328/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-makes-improved-8-million-offer-for-Inter-Milan-midfielder-Philippe-Coutinho.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9822328/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-makes-improved-8-million-offer-for-Inter-Milan-midfielder-Philippe-Coutinho.html)

Seems like he can't wait to pull on the red shirt. I'm not sure I'd want a player who seems reluctant to come and would prefer to stay where he is.
I'd rather have a player who demanded that Ayre and the owners got their collective assess into gear and signed him - in other words someone who actually wants to come.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 24, 2013, 06:22:27 PM
Yes except for the UNDENIABLE FACT that Reina has been on a downward curve for the past 2 years and is much more prone to mistakes now.

I don't want to lose Reina but I wouldn't lose much sleep if we did.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 24, 2013, 07:31:34 PM
Yes except for the UNDENIABLE FACT that Reina has been on a downward curve for the past 2 years and is much more prone to mistakes now.

I don't want to lose Reina but I wouldn't lose much sleep if we did.

Agree with you, Edward that Pepe is not what he was but I'd rather first try and see we could solve that before being too hasty about bringing in a replacement.
Any replacement has to be carefully thought through as we could end up downgrading easily.
Someone like Butland is certainly not the answer and I don't see much in the PL I'd rather have, so it would almost cetainly be a case of looking outside of the PL, and when you look at the Mancs and Arsenals problems in replacing a long serving keeper, it makes you realise it's not a straightforward job.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 24, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I say dump Reina.   The boss has quite clearly rung every last drop of talent out of the youngster and if we can fool Utd, Barcelona or Arsenal into buying him for 20 quid, then we are on the pig's back.

Maybe swap him for De Gea, and give Utd 20 million to sweeten the deal.


Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on January 24, 2013, 09:01:38 PM
I say dump Reina.   The boss has quite clearly rung every last drop of talent out of the youngster and if we can fool Utd, Barcelona or Arsenal into buying him for 20 quid, then we are on the pig's back.

Maybe swap him for De Gea, and give Utd 20 million to sweeten the deal.
;D

The thing about Reina is he's not the greatest in terms
of controlling the six yard box. Dominating on corners and
free-kicks where he has the bonus of being able to use
both hands & a pair of gloves. But we kinda know that!

This notion of him being in decline?

You'd look at the managers and style of play, goal-keeping coaches,
competition for his place & the two lads (centre-halves) in front of him.

Arguably, to a certain extent, a top keeper should be able to
transcend most of these things & I'd admit it's been a while
since I felt at least we have Reina!

But then again it wasn't so long ago since he was putting himself
in serious harm's way for the cause and many a time have I seen
him attempting to launch quick counters and finding no-one reacting.

I think it's a decision for the gaffer (obviously!) and a very big one
at that. To start fannying about with keepers for a team in transition
& take a seriously experienced keeper out of the equation with all
that youth about would be a brave one.

I like Brad Jones and he's proved an able deputy when called upon.
I think that he deserves to be number 1 at a good club and think the
way forward would be to give him that opportunity if he's looking for
it over the Summer and bring in a candidate for Pepe's gig in the
long term (or at least to provide some healthy competition, again no disrespect
intended to Jones but his amiable demeanour and public statements
suggest a certain lack of threat to Pepe's position).
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 24, 2013, 09:32:51 PM
I agree Tes Butland is definitely not the answer.

I'd say Mignolet or Begovic would be excellent replacements for Reina, were we to sell him in the summer. Both are excellent shot stoppers, both are used to the country culturally and the league itself.

Yes it isn't a priority but if we do get an offer from a Barca or whoever and it meets our valuation then I wouldn't be adverse to it. Listen I love Reina and from 07 to 10 he was the best goalkeeper in the league. But the fact remains the past two seasons he has gone down at least two levels from that. Maybe Reina needs a new challenge to get back to those levels. Maybe Reina is in his comfort zone here and has allowed himself to drop those two levels. I don't know the reason.

I am not saying I want to sell him not at all. Just that he isn't the GK that used to be. Will he be able to get back to those levels here or anywhere? Who knows.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 24, 2013, 10:15:29 PM
I agree Tes Butland is definitely not the answer.

I'd say Mignolet or Begovic would be excellent replacements for Reina, were we to sell him in the summer. Both are excellent shot stoppers, both are used to the country culturally and the league itself.

Yes it isn't a priority but if we do get an offer from a Barca or whoever and it meets our valuation then I wouldn't be adverse to it. Listen I love Reina and from 07 to 10 he was the best goalkeeper in the league. But the fact remains the past two seasons he has gone down at least two levels from that. Maybe Reina needs a new challenge to get back to those levels. Maybe Reina is in his comfort zone here and has allowed himself to drop those two levels. I don't know the reason.

I am not saying I want to sell him not at all. Just that he isn't the GK that used to be. Will he be able to get back to those levels here or anywhere? Who knows.

Agree totally, Edward. The approach to have is that it's not a big enough problem to start actively dealing with, but if a bid is made then on that basis as our hand is somewhat forced then we look at it in detail (the idea of replacing him, not just the bid, I mean).
Meanwhile, as with every position on the pitch, if you can upgrade, you do so, and you keep an active eye out for the chance to do so, at all times.

It's difficult to know whether there is a way to get Pepe to get back nearer the level he previously was at, or if only a new challenge can do that.

Mignolet or Begovic are probably the best options in the PL, though I do think the overall general standard of goalkeepers has dropped in the last few years. I don't they are at the standard Pepe was when at his peak, but they are of a more consistent level than he is now.
A keeper is only as good (to a certain degree) as the protection he is given in front of him by the rest of the team, but the difference is when called upon he makes the right decision, has the right starting position and has kept his level of concentration and alertness up to the same high degree needed for the entire match, and therefore performs to a high consistent level throughout the season.
That in turn breeds confidence and surety in those in front (the defence in particular) which then contributes to a better level of protection. Rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 24, 2013, 10:19:48 PM
I say dump Reina.   The boss has quite clearly rung every last drop of talent out of the youngster and if we can fool Utd, Barcelona or Arsenal into buying him for 20 quid, then we are on the pig's back.

Maybe swap him for De Gea, and give Utd 20 million to sweeten the deal.

Not sure about De Gea, maybe that lad that plays for Bootle U-14s. That gives us a Scouse heart to replace Carra's with into the bargain. Nothing against just bunging the Mancs £20M still, though.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 25, 2013, 09:11:02 PM
You'd look at the managers and style of play, goal-keeping coaches,
competition for his place & the two lads (centre-halves) in front of him.

To start fannying about with keepers for a team in transition
& take a seriously experienced keeper out of the equation with all
that youth about would be a brave one.

agreed, Ed.

one has to ask why a player who was previously superb, is now having issues.

like you say above, there are many variables to consider.

but to jettison a top european keeper, who has been fantastic for us, who probably merely needs a top goalkeeping coach working alongside him, is madness.

same when they jettisoned Kuyt.....madness.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 25, 2013, 09:16:59 PM
Except Kuyt was 32 when we sold him and wasn't going to get any better and in fact was on the decline. Yes Kuyt could do it on the big occasion for us but wasn't consistent.

IMO a bigger loss for us was Bellamy.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 25, 2013, 09:25:03 PM
Except Kuyt was 32 when we sold him and wasn't going to get any better and in fact was on the decline. Yes Kuyt could do it on the big occasion for us but wasn't consistent.

IMO a bigger loss for us was Bellamy.

yes, bellamy was excellent too.

we really looked a different side when dalglish finally got his finger out, and brought on (they usually sat on the sub's bench) maxi, kuyt and bellamy.

a blind man could see who our best players were.....sadly kenny was not up to it, or even close.

kuyt and bellamy could, IMHO, have given us 2 more good seasons. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 25, 2013, 10:00:41 PM
I would say though that we did not want Bellamy to leave. It was Bellamy's decision to go back to cardiff.

Same with Maxi as he wanted to go back to Argentina.

Kuyt was the only one out of the of three we wanted to get rid of really.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 26, 2013, 12:26:29 AM
Sissoko's signed for Newcastle, silly boy. Oh well, at least we've got Allen.  ;D
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 26, 2013, 04:57:52 PM
Fee agreed for Coutinho medical at the start of next week.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on January 26, 2013, 06:28:00 PM
http://inbedwithmaradona.com/the-100-for-2012/2012/12/3/philippe-coutinho.html
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 26, 2013, 07:24:57 PM
Fee agreed for Coutinho medical at the start of next week.

It'll be interesting to hear what fee we have actually paid.

As an aside:

Tom Ince - approx value £7.5M - 2012/13 season:  Games 26  Goals 13  Assists 10
                  (according to TransferMarkt value is £2.2M)
Wilfried Zaha - trans fee £10M + £5M  add ons - ditto - Games 27 Goals 5  Assists 6
                        (according to TransferMarkt value is £3.1M)

Games played are league games.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 26, 2013, 07:37:37 PM
Another step towards no. 19 was thereby taken. I tell you, Brendan's the man to take us back to the top.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 26, 2013, 10:35:13 PM
Another step towards no. 19 was thereby taken. I tell you, Brendan's the man to take us back to the top.

Have I missed something?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 27, 2013, 01:58:24 AM
Coutinho video

http://youtu.be/MjrHoLXFzHs (http://youtu.be/MjrHoLXFzHs)

if he can consistently bring these skills to the premiership, he will be a genius.

but again, he's another light-weight midfielder, who for all his flashes of genius, scores few goals......I worry that he'll be muscled and kicked out of games.  And consistency must also be a concern (after his time at Inter).

fingers crossed that he can excel at Anfield.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 27, 2013, 02:00:28 AM
Have I missed something?

sounds like a bottle of Johnnie Walker   :)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Ed on January 27, 2013, 02:55:35 AM
but again, he's another light-weight midfielder
Yeah this is where the balance comes in.
No point in our league sending out a bunch
of ballet dancers  ;D

Hence the importance of Lucas being able to mix it
effectively with big lads, as he does.

But in my eyes the signing of Coutinho increases the
importance of Hendersons role. A big lad who has energy
and can do the hard graft (but not a one-dimensional bruiser).
At least if he keeps working on his game and can master
the art of a stern, legal tackle high up the pitch.

One wonders where it leaves Allen, first team or squad...

I mean to accomodate the flair of Coutinho and have the
weak and diminutive Allen in the side (skittles!).

See Stevie going the Giggs route, influential in certain games
but not essential in others.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 27, 2013, 12:53:15 PM
Yeah this is where the balance comes in.
No point in our league sending out a bunch
of ballet dancers  ;D

Hence the importance of Lucas being able to mix it
effectively with big lads, as he does.

But in my eyes the signing of Coutinho increases the
importance of Hendersons role. A big lad who has energy
and can do the hard graft (but not a one-dimensional bruiser).
At least if he keeps working on his game and can master
the art of a stern, legal tackle high up the pitch.

One wonders where it leaves Allen, first team or squad...

I mean to accomodate the flair of Coutinho and have the
weak and diminutive Allen in the side (skittles!).

See Stevie going the Giggs route, influential in certain games
but not essential in others.

make stevie our super-sub - coming on for the final 20 minutes of games, and running at already tired defenders.

yes, big questions now re Allen.  But we need to wait, because there could be big questions by the end of the year re Coutinho too.  The sleight midfielder is always up against it in english football.  We know that too well ourselves.  e.g. look at the wonderful skills of Smicer, who despite all his talents, never managed to be a success in the premiership.

agreed re balance.  Yes, Henderson will add some weight and steel.  Must say that I am still pondering Henderson.  He has improved of late.  But I still wonder if he is good enough for the highest level.

I hope he keeps improving his game.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on January 27, 2013, 01:15:17 PM
make stevie our super-sub - coming on for the final 20 minutes of games, and running at already tired defenders.

yes, big questions now re Allen.  But we need to wait, because there could be big questions by the end of the year re Coutinho too.  The sleight midfielder is always up against it in english football.  We know that too well ourselves.  e.g. look at the wonderful skills of Smicer, who despite all his talents, never managed to be a success in the premiership.

agreed re balance.  Yes, Henderson will add some weight and steel.  Must say that I am still pondering Henderson.  He has improved of late.  But I still wonder if he is good enough for the highest level.

I hope he keeps improving his game.

Would agree with that Dude. Me neither will jump the bandwagon on the back of a couple of good games. No doubt he has improved but, as you say, that in itself doesn't tell wether he's good enough on the highest level of the game or not. I'll wait til the end of season before judging Henderson but he still have quite a walk to make to change my opinion on him.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 27, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
The likes of Henderson and Allen will only grow in their roles and under the tutelage of Rodgers will be better players.

It has taken Henderson well over 12 months to acclimatise to the club and the pressure of being a Liverpool player. It will take Allen the same amount of time.

Now that Henderson has shown signs of coming through that period and has been a bit more consistent, now the question will be can he sustain that, will be improve further and only time will tell on that.

But both Allen and Henderson have the talent to be here for a very long time. But the initial 12 month period is always the hardest and after that it is then a question of consistency and further improvement.

Gerrard isn't getting any younger so in the time that we do have Gerrard for the next 2-3 years both Henderson and Allen need to given the time to show they can be our midfield for the present and the future.  I'd also throw Shelvey into that equation.
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
Would agree with that Dude. Me neither will jump the bandwagon on the back of a couple of good games. No doubt he has improved but, as you say, that in itself doesn't tell wether he's good enough on the highest level of the game or not. I'll wait til the end of season before judging Henderson but he still have quite a walk to make to change my opinion on him.

We can add Borini and Allen to that list. All have one thing in common, age, or rather lack of it. In three years time they could be mainstays of the team or long forgotten having moved on.
My problem with Allen is I see  it difficult to see how you can play him and Lucas together. We'd need a more physical presence to play behind Allen, and I want to see more adventure from him. Simply passing the ball back to the centre half who's just passed to him, may keep the ball and 'recycle possession' but it's simply 'passing for the sake of it'. He needs his play to be more progressive. Carry the ball until closed down then take the player out the game with a forwards or sideways pass (can create a new angle) or look to pass forwards and follow the ball's forward movement so we work our way up the field and make forward progress more quickly.   
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on January 27, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
I do agree we lack certain physicality in midfield. It is also true that when Allen did understudy Lucas, when Lucas was injured he was pretty poor.

For me Allen is not a defensive midfielder. I see him in a role that Alonso used to have with us in the sense of setting the tempo of the game, being in positions able to receive the ball from the defence and also getting into positions to give the ball to our forwards. For me his positional play is his best attribute, but again he is not a defensive midfielder and cannot play that role. If he can add further attributes to his game in the sense of using his passes to hurt the opposition rather than playing the ball square he will be much better for it.

As for Henderson I see him in a more offensive orientated than either Lucas or Allen. I see him as being on the right hand side of the three midfielders and getting into positions to help out either the defence and the forward lines. He has a long way to go but I would say if all goes to plan, then he will be the eventual long term replacement for Gerrard. But Henderson is a long, long, long way off of that and has to show much more consistency to even show that he has a future here.

If he can do that for the next 2-3 years whilst Gerrard is still here then the transition will be smooth. But its up to Henderson to prove he can step it up to that level.

Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on January 31, 2013, 11:16:44 PM
see the interesting chart, in the link below.  It shows the net spend of the premiership clubs, this window.

6 clubs have spent zero.

8 have spent 5 million or less.

we have spent 20.5 million, net.

only City have spent more money than us.

no excuses......we have spent big money this window.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/9511033/Transfer-deadline-day.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfers/9511033/Transfer-deadline-day.html)
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Edward224 on February 01, 2013, 08:48:58 AM
Tell that to the FSG haters..............
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 01, 2013, 12:19:47 PM
so me wanting FSG to appoint top people to run the club, or else to sell up, is tantamount to HATING them?

bizarre analysis. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Martinmarx on February 01, 2013, 12:58:49 PM
so me wanting FSG to appoint top people to run the club, or else to sell up, is tantamount to HATING them?

bizarre analysis.

That's only true if you consider yourself an FSG-hater. I didn't see your name in Edward's post. Now how's bizarre, really?
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: the dude abides on February 01, 2013, 01:27:20 PM
well who else was his dig aimed at then?

PS - and why all these negative vibes. 
Title: Re: January Transfer Window
Post by: Tes on February 01, 2013, 10:15:50 PM
so me wanting FSG to appoint top people to run the club, or else to sell up, is tantamount to HATING them?

bizarre analysis.

I agree with the analysis, as one didn't remotely equate to the other.

Not being impressed by certain things, asking questions as to why they aren't doing things that would help the club have a better chance of success, not addressing issues that have needed addressing since they walked through the doors (stadium issue not included) does not equate to being a hater.
I've not really examined whether I like/dislike/love/loathe/feel indifferent to them, as there are much bigger issues that occupy my thoughts than the absolute irrelevance of my personal attraction/being put off by them.