Anfield Road - Liverpool FC Forum

Football and lesser sports => Liverpool FC, football, sport => Topic started by: Tes on March 28, 2014, 10:18:29 PM

Title: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on March 28, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
So which positions need strengthening and who can be deemed surplus to requirements?

It's a bit  harder to know who to look at for each targeted position as we don't always know the availability of players who would fit the bill or who else may be interested it make it more difficult for us to 'seal the deal'.

I think left back has to be the number one priority. Enrique seems permanently broken and Cissoko has been this season's biggest disappointment - back to Valencia you go. Likewise with Moses, Chelsea can have him back.

Assaidi will probably stay at Stoke, and Aspas can stow away in Cissoko's luggage and get himself back to Spain.

Johnson needs to be offered a small extension so we're not trying to blood two new full backs at the same time.

So what to do with Skrtel and Agger? Monaco are said to be interested in Sakho - would you let him go if we made a decent profit.

We certainly need something more in midfield? But what exactly? And who needs upgrading?

It's amazing that with all the potential room need for improvement that we are where we are, so maybe the first signing should be the manager on a two year extension. He's shown the biggest improvement of anyone this season, and whilst I'm still not convinced with his transfer dealings (though I'm not convinced our scouting setup is giving him the best chances of success), and at the risk of being accused of negativity, we are still too open defensively, his man management appears to be superb and he seems to be able to get players to develop an improve, and he certainly has them fully behind him - all good qualities to have in your manager.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on March 28, 2014, 10:50:43 PM
Sakho is our best defender why would we want to sell him?!? For me Agger is the most likely to go from the three of them.

Playing football manager  ;D I'd do the following:-

Sell:- Agger £7m, Aspas £2m, Assaidi £1m, Borini £8m plus other youth players £2m so a total of £20m on top of the £60m (budget plus CL money) giving us £80m.

In:-

Well a left back for me is a priority I'd target a number of left backs that are attainable to us:- Ricardo Rodriguez from Wolfsberg, De Sciglio at Milan, Ansaldi at Zenit, Ben Davies at Swansea. Hell I'd even offer Ashley Cole a 1 year deal.

My dream signing would be De Sciglio but imo he wouldn't leave Milan for another couple of years. My next preference would be Rodriguez.

For me Luke Shaw is unattainable. He is Chelsea bound imo.

So I'd say £15m for Rodriguez or Davies. Argument sake say Rodriguez.

I'd spend £10m or so plus a couple of youth players on loan for Caulker. I've been impressed by him since his Swansea days on loan and Spurs were mad to sell him. Brendan knows him well and would be a good signing for us I think.

I'd then spend £18m on Konoplyanka as we need further options in offensive positions.

I'd try and get Ivan Rakitic from Southampton. I'd offer them £20-25m for him. He'd compete well with Gerrard, Lucas, Allen and Henderson for a place in midfield and give us further depth in that area.

I'd then target a back up striker as I've sold Borini and Aspas. I'd target one of Bony, Cardozo, Vucinic, Rodriguez, Remy. I'd attempt to get Remy and offer QPR £15m.


Priority is definitely the full back position but perversely we have extremely strong back ups in those areas in Flanagan and Enrique. Ricardo Rodriguez has many suitors though and can pick his next club so may be out of our price range. Ben Davies is a player I think can be a good job for us and has the potential to be much better too.

I would like to keep Borini in the squad for next season however I think after hearing the rumors I think he is going. We definitely need a quality back up for the SAS next season especially as we should be in europe. Remy has been excellent for Newcy and doubt he'll want to stay there or go back to QPR and if we have CL football we should attract him to us as there will be many clubs who'd want him. Were we to miss out on him then I'd target Bony who I think is top class but Swansea will hold us to ransom. Cardozo would offer us experience and wouldn't demand first team football. Same with Vucinic. A striker who I really fancy and don't know really why but I think has natural talent and physical prowess is Jay Rodriguez. Always been impressed by him whenever I've seen him play and have good link up skills, great physical assets and great finishing.

I also believe we need another body in midfield. Gerrard and Lucas have the DM position sewn up but we need another midfielder to help out Henderson and Allen and provide us with something different. Last two transfer windows we've been linked with Rakitic. I'd love to sign him as I think he's a really dynamic midfielder and would give us something different plus he has power. Alas many clubs would want him so we may be priced out. If so then I'd love to sign Morgan Schneiderlin from Southampton. Vastly underrated player and would give us those abilities Rakitic possesses but at a slightly lower level but never the less would be a superb signing.

Brendan obviously wants another goal scoring wide man. Having targeted Willian, Salah, Konoplyanka etc. I think we'll be in for Konoplyanka again and with CL football we should get him.

So that would be Rodriguez, Caulker, Rakitic, Konoplyanka and Remy in my squad.

So my squad would be:-

GK:- Mignolet, Jones

RB:- Johnson, Flanagan, Wisdom, Kelly

LB:- Rodriguez, Enrique, Smith

CB:- Sakho, Skrtel, Caulker, Toure, Ilori

DM:- Gerrard, Lucas

CM:- Allen, Henderson, Rakitic, Rossiter, Lussey

AM:- Coutinho, Suso, Teixeira,

FD:- Suarez, Sturridge, Konoplyanka, Remy, Sterling, Luis Alberto,

Excuse my indulgence into football manager mode haha!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on March 29, 2014, 08:47:23 PM
Brendan obviously wants another goal scoring wide man. Having targeted Willian, Salah, Konoplyanka etc.

I spotted your deliberate mistake. Willian and goal scoring are total strangers.  :D

Interesting list and when I get a bit more time I'll re-read it in more detail.

It's interesting that you think that Gerrard/Lucas have that position sewn up. Is that your view or your opinion of how the manager sees it?

I agree with you re Sakho being our best defender and the question was more a 'would we' rather than 'should we', in that if Monaco wave a sizeable fee under the club's nose then do/would they cash in or not.
He shouldn't be on any form of departure list as I think there is so much more to come from him, but sometimes clubs see things differently.

I certainly think that Rodgers will look to bring in an alternative/additional/complimentary supplier of goals to Suarez and Sturridge, and an addition to midfield that offers an additional dimension to Allen/Henderson.

224, have you seen/ heard much of Ryan McLaughlin lately - is he anywhere near ready to step up and make the break through into the first team squad?

Coates will leave and then there's the question of 'what to do with' Kelly, Wisdom and Robinson.

When you go through things there's a lot of defenders already at the club that have had an involvement in around the first team, yet we still look like there's plenty to be done in that area this Summer.
 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 03, 2014, 01:06:18 AM
Roberto Firmino - Hoffenheim - 20 goals and 14 assists in 31 games - attacking midfielder - gives Coutinho a run for his money place and only 22.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
We're being linked with Tevez, if Suarez does get tempted away by Real:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/472553/Just-in-case-Liverpool-eyeing-Carlos-Tevez-if-Luis-Suarez-leaves-this-summer (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/472553/Just-in-case-Liverpool-eyeing-Carlos-Tevez-if-Luis-Suarez-leaves-this-summer)

There's no doubting his talent, just his personality and his damned agent.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 28, 2014, 11:04:16 PM
Daryl Janmaat - Feyenoord - Right back - 24 -13 caps for Holland - created 36 chances this season - 1 year left on his contract and is refusing to sign another.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 28, 2014, 11:18:24 PM
Adam Lallana apparently prefers a move to us over Chelsea and the Mancs:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-adam-lallana-3471827 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-adam-lallana-3471827)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2615365/Adam-Lallana-lift-Brendan-Rodgers-Saints-star-ready-snub-Man-United-Liverpool-move.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2615365/Adam-Lallana-lift-Brendan-Rodgers-Saints-star-ready-snub-Man-United-Liverpool-move.html)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 29, 2014, 10:46:37 PM
Tello looks like he could leave Barca, as could Xherdan Shaqiri from Bayern.

Would a cheeky bid for Shinji Kagawa, seeing as he's out in the cold at Old Trafford?

We're also being linked with PSV winger Zakaria Bakkali.

We've also got Suso to come back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on April 30, 2014, 01:02:21 PM
On our radar this summer are Konoplyanka, Lallana, Lars Bender and Ricardo Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 30, 2014, 01:54:36 PM
On our radar this summer are Konoplyanka, Lallana, Lars Bender and Ricardo Rodriguez.

Interesting.

Tough competition for Bender from the likes of Real, Arsenal, the Mancs.

Good to see we're looking at left backs with Rodriguez, though so are Chelsea and the Mancs. We're also being heavily linked with Marcos Rojo of Sporting Lisbon, who can play centre half too. Shaw is overpriced.

I thought the interest in Konoplyanka had waned somewhat.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 01, 2014, 05:29:08 PM
Did we sign the wrong Sakho last Summer:

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/05/01/liverpool-and-newcastle-in-red-hot-race-for-striking-sensation-diafra-sakho/138682/ (http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/05/01/liverpool-and-newcastle-in-red-hot-race-for-striking-sensation-diafra-sakho/138682/)

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/05/01/liverpool-and-newcastle-face-off-for-talented-ligue-2-goal-machine-diafra-sakho/ (http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/05/01/liverpool-and-newcastle-face-off-for-talented-ligue-2-goal-machine-diafra-sakho/)

 ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 02, 2014, 11:48:51 AM
The Ben Arfa link has started to re-surface with £6M the alleged fee. Whilst he has undoubted talent, do we really players like that coming in and potentially risking the dressing room harmony and togetherness that we seem to have?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 03, 2014, 03:02:09 PM
Micah Richards link surfacing again. Why would we want an injury prone player, who is hardly a shining example of a calm and composed defender. Just more individual mistakes waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 05, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
It looks like Napoli are giving up on signing Pepe. I know there are concerns about his salary etc but to have Reina and Mignolet slugging it out to be no1 could only be off benefit to us.

Plus the CL experience and being a squad member of World Cup and European Championship winners can't do anything but help massively, and then there's his influence and presence in the dressing room.

Mignolet is a good shot stopper but other aspects of his game let him down. Reina's distribution is far better than Mignolet's, and his ability to throw and kick long accurately would help massively when we choose to play a more counter attacking game.

There will be plenty of games and why shouldn't a keeper have to earn his right to be selected for the next game, like all the outfield players. Competition is healthy for both the team and individual.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 05, 2014, 11:25:14 AM
Apparently Luis' happy at the club: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/luis-suarez-is-very-happy-at-liverpool-beams-brendan-rodgers-9323454.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/luis-suarez-is-very-happy-at-liverpool-beams-brendan-rodgers-9323454.html)

So he should be. No other club or fans (especially) would give him the support and love that we do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 05, 2014, 07:46:44 PM
Tello linked again: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/474167/Liverpool-Arsenal-and-Spurs-on-alert-as-Cristian-Tello-issues-Barcelona-ultimatum (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/474167/Liverpool-Arsenal-and-Spurs-on-alert-as-Cristian-Tello-issues-Barcelona-ultimatum)

I wouldn't say no.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 05, 2014, 07:48:22 PM
Hopefully this is only paper talk: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/474144/Liverpool-and-Spurs-given-Steven-Caulker-boost-with-Gary-Medel-also-eyeing-Cardiff-exit (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/474144/Liverpool-and-Spurs-given-Steven-Caulker-boost-with-Gary-Medel-also-eyeing-Cardiff-exit)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 07, 2014, 12:48:36 AM
New central defender already signed:


(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/170874-4/Horse-exercise-yoga-ball.gif)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 07, 2014, 02:20:41 PM
 :D


Gerrard in training for new season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 07, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
New central defender already signed:


(http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/170874-4/Horse-exercise-yoga-ball.gif)

Our new defensive coach shows how to bring the ball out and play from the back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 07, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
Ashley Cole is being linked on a free transfer.

Ok, he's experienced and all that, but what a twot of a person.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 07, 2014, 07:12:22 PM
I'd love to sign Steven Caulker. Under the right tutelage he'd be a brilliant centre back. As it is at this time he is already very good.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 07, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
I'd love to sign Steven Caulker. Under the right tutelage he'd be a brilliant centre back. As it is at this time he is already very good.

I don't understand why Spurs let him go, and therefore what, if anything, does that say about him.

He seems to have a decent reputation, but I have read several comments from people who have seen him regularly this season and it paints a slightly different picture, so I'm conflicted over this one.

We keep being linked with La Liga players, not necessarily just Spanish, but I'm always a bit concerned about how well they'd cope with the physicality and aerial aspect of the PL.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 09, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
Sunderland want Borini back from Liverpool next season

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/sunderland-want-borini-back-from-liverpool-next-season-1-6608556 (http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/sunderland-want-borini-back-from-liverpool-next-season-1-6608556)

This would probably be a good idea as it would give us another season to see if he can develop into a good enough player for what we need. Additionally, if he fails a little short, there's a chance Sunderland or another PL club would still take him, and Poyet's way of playing would be as good as any to help him develop.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 09, 2014, 06:24:15 PM
Iago Aspas hints immediate future is with Liverpool… but eyes Spain return

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/378156/Iago-Aspas-hints-immediate-future-is-with-Liverpool-but-eyes-Spain-return (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/378156/Iago-Aspas-hints-immediate-future-is-with-Liverpool-but-eyes-Spain-return)

Do we keep him for squad depth and hope it's only a 'first season blues' thing, loan him out to a PL team ala Borini, or try to get him repatriated to La Liga?

Maybe we could use him as a 'makeweight' if we're looking at players from La Liga like Dani Parejo of Valencia, who we keep being linked with. Apparently they've inquired about Aspas before.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 09, 2014, 06:31:52 PM
Liverpool willing to offer duo to land Lallana

http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/48884-liverpool-willing-to-offer-duo-to-land-lallana.php (http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/48884-liverpool-willing-to-offer-duo-to-land-lallana.php)

This one's a bit far fetched.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 09, 2014, 08:29:00 PM
Manchester United and Liverpool keen on bringing £8m former Arsenal man Alex Song back to the Premier League

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-alex-song-3519145 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-alex-song-3519145)

If we could him for around the quoted fee, I think it would be a shrewd piece of business. Plenty of PL with his best years still ahead of him.

I think these are the sort of deals we should be looking at rather than risking £20M+ on the likes of Llana.

Also, now Fulham have departed we should also try to get Malcolm Elias back as the youth chief scout. He has the midas touch at unearthing young talent and young players can be a another source of income as well as saving ourselves risking daft amounts in the transfer market. Additionally, young players coming through add to the feeling of stability, which I think has played a huge part in this season's success.
Apart from Mignolet and Sakho, all the core players used were here for the beginning of last season, and I'm sure stability of the squad and relatively low player turnover has been the main reason behind Arsenal continually qualifying for the CL 17 seasons in succession. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 09, 2014, 10:56:56 PM
Michel Vorm on Liverpool's radar as Reds line up £5m move for Swansea goalkeeper

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2624702/Michel-Vorm-Liverpools-radar-Reds-line-5m-Swansea-goalkeeper.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2624702/Michel-Vorm-Liverpools-radar-Reds-line-5m-Swansea-goalkeeper.html)

Smells like made up nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 09, 2014, 11:52:10 PM
IMO Lallana would be no risk at all. He'd actually be perfect for us.

Lallana would be a fantastic signing on several levels.

One his is technical ability which is definitely top class and a such the comparison to Downing or Adam or Carroll are laughable. His technique, skill, touch and all round passing are at top class level already.

Secondly he can play in a variety of roles in our attack and giving us further options. Thirdly he is also a leader and we lack those.

Fourthly physically he is hard to knock off and that is important in this league.

But MUCH more importantly and imo one of the key reasons Brendan wants him his is mentality. Lallana's mentality is brilliant. Unlike Downing for example Lallana doesn't hide (not the same as goes missing in a game) and has positive intent in his play.

I also agree trying to sign Song would be a shrewd bit of business and I'd be all over it especially if he replaces Lucas in the squad.

I'm in the minority I reckon of people who'd keep Borini in our squad for next season. He's already proven at Sunderland that he can do it at this level. Personally I don't get what another 12 months will do for him or us. plus another 12 months means less time on his contract and less money in any sales. So hopefully he either stays or gets sold permanently. But I want him to stay. His movement is top class which means he'd gel right in with our attacking unit.

Imagine if we bought Lallana and Kopoplyanka and kept Borini. We'd have those three plus Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling, Coutinho as attacking options.

I'd actually give saints Alberto on loan if it sweetened the deal. Then he'd hopefully progress like Borini as he has the talent but needs games really to develop that. But I'd keep Enrique.

In regards to Vorm it probably is paper talk but I wouldn't mind signing him at all. £5m for him would be a sweet deal as he'd offer serious competition to Mignolet and as seen at Swansea isn't complaining to loudly at being benched - which he will be here most of the time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 10, 2014, 01:06:44 AM

I'm in the minority I reckon of people who'd keep Borini in our squad for next season. He's already proven at Sunderland that he can do it at this level. Personally I don't get what another 12 months will do for him or us. plus another 12 months means less time on his contract and less money in any sales. So hopefully he either stays or gets sold permanently. But I want him to stay. His movement is top class which means he'd gel right in with our attacking unit.


Edward, I understand your points, especially re contract/valuation. My reservation with him is if he's kept as squad player will he able to perform to the level required if he's not playing regularly? He's shown a noticeable improvement at Sunderland to what we saw (injuries certainly didn't help his cause last season) but he's had regular playing time, especially of late, which I'm sure has contributed to his improved form.

I'd agree that Llana's no Downing and the example used (Downing) was a poor one as it proves a different point entirely. I know what you're saying re his attributes, but considering how small our squad really is, and the numbers required, can we afford so much on one player?

It's possibly three first eleven players minimum, plus gaps in cover/options, and even then we're still looking pretty thin on numbers, unless we've got two, three or even four youngsters who could potentially be ready to step up like Flano really has this season.

If we're to spend £20M ish on Llana, who does he replace as a starter?

Song as a replacement for Lucas, who's regular injury problems I feel are starting to take it's toll, would definitely be a low net cost upgrade. I think Brendan's done much better at creating/improving what we need, rather than when he's acquired more established players, though the likes of Aspas and Assaidi hardly gave him much to work with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 10, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
Cissokho, Moses, Alberto and Aspas are definite goners apparently.

With CL money and money FSG will provide we should have at least £60m before sales to fund our transfer business. So If it took £45m to buy Lallana and Konoplyanka to make sew up our attacking unit for the next 5 fives I'd definitely do it.

That will leave £15m plus money from sales to get a centre back and full back and perhaps another central mid.

Of course I am just speculating here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 10, 2014, 05:40:11 PM
Cissokho, Moses, Alberto and Aspas are definite goners apparently.

With CL money and money FSG will provide we should have at least £60m before sales to fund our transfer business. So If it took £45m to buy Lallana and Konoplyanka to make sew up our attacking unit for the next 5 fives I'd definitely do it.

That will leave £15m plus money from sales to get a centre back and full back and perhaps another central mid.

Of course I am just speculating here.

The first two are definitely off as their loans won't be made permanent. You'd imagine Aspas would leave if we, he or his agent could find him a club in Spain. Alberto, I'm not so sure about. I haven't a clue what to make of him as he's appeared far too fleetingly, but it's interesting that he's been a recent omission from matchday squads.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 10, 2014, 06:27:03 PM
That may be down to because he was caught for drunken driving.....silly boy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 10, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
Cissokho, Moses, Alberto and Aspas are definite goners apparently.


the 4 need to be moved on.

my only major question, is Borini.

the lad has done well at Sunderland and is well thought of......a top professional.

will he ever be Liverpool quality, I dunno.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 11, 2014, 12:37:52 AM
That may be down to because he was caught for drunken driving.....silly boy.

Didn't he get banned a while back? I'd imagine the problem was therefore more to do with how he's 'refuelling', as Sir Bobby Robson famously said of Gazza, than the fact he got behind the wheel.

I'd forgotten about that until you mentioned, Edward. Silly sod.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 11, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
Eriksen is unhappy at Spurs and wants out this Summer apparently. Whilst I'd imagine he won't be costing 'only' £11M again, I'd love him to be at least considered. Eriksen and Lovren for around the price of a Sakho - our transfer dealings are definitely an area where we need to improve hugely.

When you think how poor our transfer dealings overall have been and the vast room for improvement there is there, plus, the obvious defensive situation, it's quite exciting to think where we could be if both areas are improved to even 80%/90% of maximum capacity.

I just hope we don't go lashing huge sums on 'names' this Summer. I know a lot of fans feel we should and look at the likes of Chelsea and City and see them playing real life 'football manager', but we've got to where we are this season with sound coaching of individuals and a strong team ethic. Quite rightly the owners are trying to scale back larger salaries, but are also awarding them as reward for actual achievement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 11, 2014, 06:42:28 PM
What about Barry on a free if the wages were sensible? Massive experience, a leader on and off the pitch, and cool head.

Gary Mac was an influential signing even at the age he was and Barry could be the same. Sometimes what is brought to the training ground and dressing room can prove to be just as beneficial.
The likelihood is that most new recruits will be under 25, so we need a touch of experience to help balance that out, and Barry brings the organisational skills we've lack at certain points during the season. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 11, 2014, 11:00:42 PM
IMO Lallana would be no risk at all. He'd actually be perfect for us.

Lallana would be a fantastic signing on several levels.

Bournemouth inserted a 25% sell on clause when Southampton signed him. I hope this doesn't send the price above the £20M being bandied about in order to clear what they (Southampton) regard as an acceptable amount after the 25% has been deducted.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 12, 2014, 08:43:58 PM
What about Barry on a free if the wages were sensible? Massive experience, a leader on and off the pitch, and cool head.

Gary Mac was an influential signing even at the age he was and Barry could be the same.

in this very forum, I said a few times at the start of the season, that we should have got Barry in (and I cited the similarity with Gary Mac).

Indeed, Barry may have been the difference between winning the title, and not winning it. 

Everton would have to pay a two and a half million fee for him.....other clubs get him for free.

Even though he is a year older - now 33 - I still think he would be a good bet.

BUT, at that age, he will go to a club that offers him a 2 or 3 year contract.

Whereas, one year contracts are better for the club at this point (for someone over 30).

If the money was right, then he would be a good acquisition.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on May 12, 2014, 10:06:01 PM
I know I'll get slated but we really need a Diamé type of CM. He really is a quality player IMHO, though, no doubt Edward will disagree. ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2014, 12:08:09 AM
in this very forum, I said a few times at the start of the season, that we should have got Barry in (and I cited the similarity with Gary Mac).

Indeed, Barry may have been the difference between winning the title, and not winning it. 

Everton would have to pay a two and a half million fee for him.....other clubs get him for free.

Even though he is a year older - now 33 - I still think he would be a good bet.

BUT, at that age, he will go to a club that offers him a 2 or 3 year contract.

Whereas, one year contracts are better for the club at this point (for someone over 30).

If the money was right, then he would be a good acquisition.

The likes of Barry, and though I feel dirty saying it I'm warming to the idea, Ashley Cole, would have been priceless to help us through the last 3 games of the season.
We're also going to need to need experience in the CL, and some 'mentors' if we take the cups more seriously, especially if we use a mixture of under used squad players and younger players.

I think we need to balance the squad out with a bit more experience as well as quality young 'up and comers'. That would definitely be my preference over big name, big ticket, big salary type players. The formula got us close this time and seems to be fermented an excellent team spirit.

The crucial point with the likes of Barry, Cole etc, is will it be about football or money? 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2014, 12:20:06 AM
I know I'll get slated but we really need a Diamé type of CM. He really is a quality player IMHO, though, no doubt Edward will disagree. ;D

Dave Whelan wasn't exactly fighting them off when he was available at Wigan and Fat Sham doesn't seem to have had too many problems. I'm really not sure about him. He's massively inconsistent for starters. We'll wait for Edward's opinion.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2014, 12:37:24 AM
Van Gaal is to give Chris Woods the boot as the Mancs goal keeping coach. Worth a shot? I can't say that Achterburg's exactly been a success with either Pepe or Mignolet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on May 13, 2014, 09:29:18 AM
Having watched the absolutely fantastic displays by Kolarov and Zabaleta inte final 3 games I've concluded signing a proper LB must be our no. 1 priority.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 16, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
Marko Marin could be on his way out of Chelsea. If he could be acquired for a more than decent fee, he is exactly the sort of player that Rodgers seems to do so well with rejuvenating and improving.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 17, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Liverpool in danger of revisiting ‘British player tax’ with Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana is a good player and he’s had a very good season for Southampton.  However, the amount of money Liverpool are supposedly ready to pay for him is…absurd.

The Mirror’s David Maddock – who is generally pretty plugged-in  to events on Merseyside – has Liverpool paying around £40m for Lallana and Dejan Lovren.

For argument’s sake, let’s say that Lovren represents about £15m of that – at most – and Lallana accounts for the rest.  £25m?  There’s a difference between being a very good player and being a £25m player.  Yes, Lallana has had a good season and his ability on the ball has been one of the features of Southampton’s success this year, but would he really be that noticeable if he wasn’t English?

If this was just A N Other player in La Liga or Serie A, would he be that remarkable?  He would still be a very capable attacking-midfielder, but for that kind of money you would expect to get a week-to-week difference-maker and someone who is consistently going to win games by himself.  Lallana is great to watch and he produces a lovely looking highlight reel at the end of each season, but he’s just not that class of player.

The Champions League provides a huge boost in revenue and it gives clubs a big advantage over non-participating sides in their domestic league; it would be a real shame if Liverpool got sucked into paying inflated prices for British players having worked so hard for second place this year.  It’s a time for steady, incremental improvement, not over-enthusiastic spending for the sake of it.

Not to be too harsh on the player, but for £25m a club could buy two Adam Lallana’s abroad.


http://thepremierleagueowl.com/liverpool-in-danger-of-revisiting-british-player-tax-with-adam-lallana/ (http://thepremierleagueowl.com/liverpool-in-danger-of-revisiting-british-player-tax-with-adam-lallana/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 17, 2014, 05:50:11 PM
An excellent piece by the Echo on the left backs we've been linked with (actually, only some of the left backs):

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/analysis-left-back-fits-bill-liverpool-7134089 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/analysis-left-back-fits-bill-liverpool-7134089)

I don't understand the appeal of Bertrand. He couldn't get in the Chelsea team at left back ahead of a right back playing out of position, and unless Flano is definitely going to be first choice right back, then I'd keep Flano there ahead of Bertrand.

Also, Bertrand's hardly going to come cheap. Chelsea selling to a rival + British premium = overpriced, lesser quality purchase. Unless we can get Bertrand for a couple of million, and then just to add a second left back, then I'd hope we wouldn't bother with him.

Rodriguez seems the stand out choice.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 17, 2014, 10:40:29 PM
No new deal for Glen Johnson but Reds not looking to sell

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-no-new-deal-7133454 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-no-new-deal-7133454)

"The Reds’ approach to Johnson is also influenced by the terms of the contract he penned when Damien Comolli was director of football in July 2011. There is a significant reduction in his basic wage during the final year of his deal."

Finally, something Comolli actually got right. Still only half as many times as a stopped clock.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 18, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Luis Suarez set to spark £100MILLION tussle between Real Madrid and Barcelona

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2631299/Luis-Suarez-set-spark-100MILLION-war-Real-Madrid-Barcelona.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2631299/Luis-Suarez-set-spark-100MILLION-war-Real-Madrid-Barcelona.html)

Whilst I don't believe a bluffer like Rob Shephard, there is a worrying scenario where we lose out in the game of 'striker musical chairs'.

Madrid sell Benzema to Arsenal to fund buying Suarez, and Chelsea get Costa before this happens, leaving us minus our best striker and the preferred replacement (if last Summer's anything to go by).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 18, 2014, 02:06:29 PM
Now we're being linked with Alexis Sanchez of Barca. If we were to sign the likes of Sanchez or Kono, what would that mean for the likes of Jordan Ibe, and where would the like fit into the team?

Also we're being linked with Bony, but like with Lovren we'd be paying almost double what they went for a year ago, and after just one season in the PL.

If Borini's coming back, do we also need to splurge £20M om the likes of Bony? 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 18, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
Liverpool in danger of revisiting ‘British player tax’ with Adam Lallana

Adam Lallana is a good player and he’s had a very good season for Southampton.  However, the amount of money Liverpool are supposedly ready to pay for him is…absurd.

The Mirror’s David Maddock – who is generally pretty plugged-in  to events on Merseyside – has Liverpool paying around £40m for Lallana and Dejan Lovren.

For argument’s sake, let’s say that Lovren represents about £15m of that – at most – and Lallana accounts for the rest.  £25m?  There’s a difference between being a very good player and being a £25m player.  Yes, Lallana has had a good season and his ability on the ball has been one of the features of Southampton’s success this year, but would he really be that noticeable if he wasn’t English?

If this was just A N Other player in La Liga or Serie A, would he be that remarkable?  He would still be a very capable attacking-midfielder, but for that kind of money you would expect to get a week-to-week difference-maker and someone who is consistently going to win games by himself.  Lallana is great to watch and he produces a lovely looking highlight reel at the end of each season, but he’s just not that class of player.

The Champions League provides a huge boost in revenue and it gives clubs a big advantage over non-participating sides in their domestic league; it would be a real shame if Liverpool got sucked into paying inflated prices for British players having worked so hard for second place this year.  It’s a time for steady, incremental improvement, not over-enthusiastic spending for the sake of it.

Not to be too harsh on the player, but for £25m a club could buy two Adam Lallana’s abroad.


http://thepremierleagueowl.com/liverpool-in-danger-of-revisiting-british-player-tax-with-adam-lallana/ (http://thepremierleagueowl.com/liverpool-in-danger-of-revisiting-british-player-tax-with-adam-lallana/)



"That said, it could also get you a Gaston Ramirez and a Dani Osvaldo".

I know who I'd prefer out of those 3.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 18, 2014, 03:38:33 PM


"That said, it could also get you a Gaston Ramirez and a Dani Osvaldo".

I know who I'd prefer out of those 3.

Very true. 'Valuation' is very subjective and I guess we also have to factor in the value to the manager in the way he sees the player fitting in and how that can enhance his overall plans for the team at different points in a game and the season.

The rumoured £60M isn't going to go that far, but 3 quality additions would be far better than 6 'destined to be squad filler' types.

I just hope we don't overspend on 'attackers' forcing us to 'economise'  on defensive players. We may be short on one or two in terms of numbers but our current attackers are definitely effective, so absolute priority has to be placed on the defensive aspects within the team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 19, 2014, 11:54:57 PM
Please, make this happen:

http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/49756-ex-liverpool-captain-could-return.php (http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/49756-ex-liverpool-captain-could-return.php)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 21, 2014, 09:14:51 AM
We're apparently willing to let Agger go:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-still-keen-sign-7148742 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-still-keen-sign-7148742)

As Lovren's right footed, if we were to get him, Agger and Lovren would be a great combination.

Lovren had no own goals to his name compared to Skrtel's 4. He's nearly caught up Carra in one season.  ;D

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on May 21, 2014, 11:11:10 AM
We're apparently willing to let Agger go:


Yeah good riddance, who needs skilful defenders who are good on the ball, can defend and can change defence into attack at a moments notice, anyway?
What's that? Oh we do? That if Agger had been playing and covering at the back like he always does, then gerrards slip wouldn't have resulted us in losing the title?
Oh...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on May 21, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
I see the price of Lallana keeps going up with the price now at 25 mil plus....rakitic from Sevilla would be a much more astute buy...as would moreno also from sevilla...

Also saw some speculation about Mascherano coming back, and as he's only 29 i'd welcome him back with open arms...

...and maybe lovren from Southampton in defence...

Emre Can from Bayer Leverkeusen is said to be a done deal by the german national paper, Bild

Get those players above, a couple of wingers and keep most of the current squad and we'd be pretty bloody tasty... 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 21, 2014, 11:04:23 PM
We've agreed personal terms with Lallana. Just the fee to sort out with Southampton.

We've also had a £15m bid for Lovren rejected however its almost a lock that he too will join us.

Also I can categorically state that we do not want Mascherano. But we do want Can.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on May 22, 2014, 08:20:22 AM
Uh oh...just heard on bbc tv...suarez undergoes knee surgery after training field accident.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on May 22, 2014, 11:28:12 AM
We've agreed personal terms with Lallana. Just the fee to sort out with Southampton.

We've also had a £15m bid for Lovren rejected however its almost a lock that he too will join us.

Also I can categorically state that we do not want Mascherano. But we do want Can.

Hmm ok....good news then about the saints duo.....pity about the monster masch....
also linked with Pedro from Barca...any news on him?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 23, 2014, 08:57:08 AM
That if Agger had been playing and covering at the back like he always does, then gerrards slip wouldn't have resulted us in losing the title?
Oh...

If Agger had been playing I doubt he would have made the pass to Gerrard in the first place. He'd have held on to it, or carried it forward as there was no Chelsea player moving to close down, or played it out to Flano, who was moving back towards Sakho to make himself available as he had no Chelsea 'shadow' either. The pass was a rookie mistake by Sakho, compounded by Gerrard's slip.

Agger is the last of the senior defenders that should be allowed to leave. BTW, what ever happened to the squad depth idea?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 23, 2014, 09:01:01 AM
We've agreed personal terms with Lallana. Just the fee to sort out with Southampton.

We've also had a £15m bid for Lovren rejected however its almost a lock that he too will join us.

Also I can categorically state that we do not want Mascherano. But we do want Can.

We do we keep doing the same thing. We don't go after a player when he's available for a decent fee (and we had been monitoring Lovren since Rafa's last Summer) but then wait and pay double a year after another club brings the player to the PL. Our scouting and decision making about players has to improve if we're to keep progressing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 23, 2014, 09:07:52 AM
I see the price of Lallana keeps going up with the price now at 25 mil plus....rakitic from Sevilla would be a much more astute buy...as would moreno also from sevilla...

Bart, I don't Rakitic is keen on leaving Spain. A new contract at Sevilla or a move to Real, who are apparently very interested, seems like the only two items on his agenda.

We should be putting our efforts into securing Ricardo Rodríguez as a priority signing. I worry that we'll 'settle' for the likes of Bertrand as a 'cheaper option', but our defence needs 'investment', not cheaper options, brought in just so "that's that position sorted".   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 24, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
Tony Barrett says we've made a significant breakthrough in signing Emre Can.

In regards to Lovren we all know he basically used Southampton as a stepping stone to a bigger club in England. I'm not quite sure what to make of Lovren tbh. Although every time I see him he looks good and for £15m - even though it is almost double what saints paid last year - would still be a cheap purchase (£48m for Luiz LOL ) but at Lyon he was a bit inconsistent. Having said that when he moved to Lyon he was quite young so I suppose you have to take that into account. Certainly at southampton he is consistent and is a more intelligent player than Skrtel for definite. But it isn't a done deal quite yet. But if Brendan sees him as the answer then I'll go along with that.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2014, 02:32:03 PM
I agree with you all.

Agger loves Liverpool.  He should be finishing his career with us.

And if the guy in the dugout had some sense. he would have used the lad a lot more often last season.  We might have won against Chelsea and Palace, to take the title.

But Brendan has his opinions - and thus the likes of Agger and Reina, get dumped. 




Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
Tony Barrett says we've made a significant breakthrough in signing Emre Can.

In regards to Lovren we all know he basically used Southampton as a stepping stone to a bigger club in England. I'm not quite sure what to make of Lovren tbh. Although every time I see him he looks good and for £15m - even though it is almost double what saints paid last year - would still be a cheap purchase (£48m for Luiz LOL ) but at Lyon he was a bit inconsistent. Having said that when he moved to Lyon he was quite young so I suppose you have to take that into account. Certainly at southampton he is consistent and is a more intelligent player than Skrtel for definite. But it isn't a done deal quite yet. But if Brendan sees him as the answer then I'll go along with that.

Emre Can looks t be a very interesting acquisition.  Though, at 20 years of age, he's not going to go straight into the side and set us on fire.   And I thought that that was the type of players we were after. 

Lovren, I have no idea about.

Seems a lot of money.   Though I do see overnight that the Utd deal for Southampton's fullback looks like unravelling.   And if Southampton keep on demanding 25 or 26 million (plus bonuses) for Lallamba, then I can see that deal going south too.  There is far better value/quality to be had in europe, for that type of money.

Though a lad with premiership experience will tend to have a better chance of hitting the ground running.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2014, 02:43:11 PM
I see in yesterday's press, that we have apparently held talks with QPR's Loic Remy.

The striker spent last season on loan at Newcastle - and performed well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2014, 02:44:46 PM
And in yesterday's Independent
Barcelona eye deal for Reds youngster Cameron Brannagan http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-barcelona-eye-deal-for-reds-youngster-cameron-brannagan-9429041.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/liverpool-transfer-news-barcelona-eye-deal-for-reds-youngster-cameron-brannagan-9429041.html)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2014, 04:55:01 PM
I see in yesterday's press, that we have apparently held talks with QPR's Loic Remy.

The striker spent last season on loan at Newcastle - and performed well.

14 in 24, and for £8M, seems like a sensible acquisition, if we can pull it off. I think he's also the sort of forward player that could fit straight in. I'd prefer us not to go down the route of big names, big fees, big wages, as we've managed to start building something without that need, with individuals growing and improving as the group grows and improves. I'd like the likes of Suso and Alberto to be given consideration and a chance before we necessarily look outside the club. If not let's get them quality loans on the basis that we're preparing them for a future with us, likewise Ilori.

Continuity and stability has to be the way forward, it's why Danny Agger has to stay. Likewise Lucas and Allen. Give them both another season, see if they can stay injury free and get back to previous performance levels.
And they are both exactly the sort of solid pros to show the younger players the way forward and as great role models.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2014, 05:00:17 PM
Emre Can looks t be a very interesting acquisition.  Though, at 20 years of age, he's not going to go straight into the side and set us on fire.   

I think he could prove a very solid buy, and one that could quickly grow into the team.

Lovren, I really like as a player, and we should have taken our chances whilst he was at Lyon. I'd love to see him and Agger partnered together, and I think he could even steady Sakho down a bit too. He's a real leader on the pitch, a good organiser, and we need more of them.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 24, 2014, 07:16:02 PM
IMO neither Agger nor Skrtel will be here for the 15/16 season. I reckon one will leave this summer and the other one next summer.

Agger has asked the club to listen to offers for him - and we will.

I don't think Agger would have improved us massively at the back instead of the two we had anyway really. He's made plenty of mistakes himself. Sakho is set so we'll be buying someone to partner him. Both Sakho and Agger are LCB's so really they'd be competing against one another, unless one of the two is willing or able to play as a RCB.

Sakho is a leader on the pitch you just won't realise it until he learns english better. But I've watched him since he was 17. He is definitely a leader on the pitch and his passing ability his magnificent. He's willing to try and not play the safe percentage pass all the time but plays the pass which has lower percentage success at that area of the field but much higher percentage when we attack - which Brendan encourages - which is the key fact we need to remember.

I love Lucas but I think the end is nigh on for him really. Can is effectively going to be his replacement. As we saw when Henderson was suspended Lucas could not match his energy and pressing ability and Gerrard isn't going to move from his new position. Of course if Lucas is willing be 4th option DM (behind Gerrard, Can and Allen) then I'd keep him for another year, but unfortunately his injury a few years ago as meant that he has lost some of that ability he had.

Allen is here for a LONG time so Tes I'm not sure why you're suggesting giving him another season. Because both he and Henderson will be the present and future of our midfield for the next 5 years.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2014, 08:33:26 PM
14 in 24, and for £8M, seems like a sensible acquisition, if we can pull it off. I think he's also the sort of forward player that could fit straight in.

With McClaren working his normal magic and therefore QPR and 'Arry getting promoted, we've probably lost our best chance of getting Remy for a 'sensible' fee.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2014, 08:38:07 PM
If there's any truth in Rodgers thinking about City's Micah Richards, he'd do a lot worse than look at Tolouse's Serge Aurier, 6 goals, 7 assists in 34 Ligue 1 matches and at a valuation of around £6M, arguably better value too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 24, 2014, 11:15:03 PM
Aurier is more than likely off to Arsenal.

I hope we don't get Micah Richards either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2014, 11:23:22 PM
Aurier is more than likely off to Arsenal.

I hope we don't get Micah Richards either.

I know Arsenal are looking at Aurier, but also Atsuto Uchida from Schalke. Hope they get the latter, and us the former.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2014, 11:42:08 PM
IMO neither Agger nor Skrtel will be here for the 15/16 season. I reckon one will leave this summer and the other one next summer.

Agger has asked the club to listen to offers for him - and we will.

I don't think Agger would have improved us massively at the back instead of the two we had anyway really. He's made plenty of mistakes himself. Sakho is set so we'll be buying someone to partner him. Both Sakho and Agger are LCB's so really they'd be competing against one another, unless one of the two is willing or able to play as a RCB.

Sakho is a leader on the pitch you just won't realise it until he learns english better. But I've watched him since he was 17. He is definitely a leader on the pitch and his passing ability his magnificent. He's willing to try and not play the safe percentage pass all the time but plays the pass which has lower percentage success at that area of the field but much higher percentage when we attack - which Brendan encourages - which is the key fact we need to remember.

I love Lucas but I think the end is nigh on for him really. Can is effectively going to be his replacement. As we saw when Henderson was suspended Lucas could not match his energy and pressing ability and Gerrard isn't going to move from his new position. Of course if Lucas is willing be 4th option DM (behind Gerrard, Can and Allen) then I'd keep him for another year, but unfortunately his injury a few years ago as meant that he has lost some of that ability he had.

Allen is here for a LONG time so Tes I'm not sure why you're suggesting giving him another season. Because both he and Henderson will be the present and future of our midfield for the next 5 years.

But as our core squad is so bereft of numbers and overall quality as it is, if we lose experience and two more in number in Agger and Lucas, surely they have to be replaced in addition to Can in Lucas' case and Lovren (perhaps).

I'd prefer Agger and Sakho, rather than one or the other.

What I meant with Allen is that he's had two very mixed seasons, mainly because of injury, and the reduced contribution when first coming back from injury, which is normal, but I'd like to see what he could contribute given a full, injury free season.

I'd rather we didn't lose Lucas or Agger this Summer to keep the numbers up, but if our recruitment this Summer has the required effect, then we could look to replace such like next Summer, either by buying in or if we have anyone in the junior teams ready to step up. If as you say Skrtel and Agger depart over the next two Summers, which I wouldn't agree with happening necessarily, but agree with you that it's the likely outcome, I'd rather replace Skrtel with Lovren and then look again at Agger next Summer (that's if he's prepared to fight for his place and not expect it to be handed to him).

Any player who doesn't relish competition for their place on a personal/professional level, and welcome it for the benefits it brings to the team and squad, isn't the sort of player that will help take us forward, and so I'd not be sorry to see them leave ultimately.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2014, 03:52:08 PM
14 in 24, and for £8M, seems like a sensible acquisition, if we can pull it off. I think he's also the sort of forward player that could fit straight in. I'd prefer us not to go down the route of big names, big fees, big wages, as we've managed to start building something without that need, with individuals growing and improving as the group grows and improves. I'd like the likes of Suso and Alberto to be given consideration and a chance before we necessarily look outside the club. If not let's get them quality loans on the basis that we're preparing them for a future with us, likewise Ilori.

Continuity and stability has to be the way forward, it's why Danny Agger has to stay. Likewise Lucas and Allen. Give them both another season, see if they can stay injury free and get back to previous performance levels.
And they are both exactly the sort of solid pros to show the younger players the way forward and as great role models.

yes, I think Remy would be a sound piece of business.

though with QPR now back in the premiership, Harry may now not feel like selling (at least not at the previous price).

I am a tad worried about Lucas, and whether his injuries have caught up with him.  He needs a good pre-season, and then we can more easily judge where he is at in the new season.

yes, we need core players to give us stability and continuity.

though I do wish that Gerrard was put out to pasture.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2014, 03:56:23 PM
I think he could prove a very solid buy, and one that could quickly grow into the team.

Lovren, I really like as a player, and we should have taken our chances whilst he was at Lyon. I'd love to see him and Agger partnered together, and I think he could even steady Sakho down a bit too. He's a real leader on the pitch, a good organiser, and we need more of them.

yes, I think Can could be another good piece of business, for us.

I haven't seen enough of Lovren, so I will take your word on him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2014, 04:07:11 PM
IMO neither Agger nor Skrtel will be here for the 15/16 season. I reckon one will leave this summer and the other one next summer.

-------------

Sakho is definitely a leader on the pitch and his passing ability his magnificent. He's willing to try and not play the safe percentage pass all the time but plays the pass which has lower percentage success

perhaps if Sakho had played the safe percentage pass, along the back line against Chelsea, we might have won the title, Edward.   :)

There is a time for being bold, and a time for playing the percentages.

But I agree with most of the rest of what you said.

Like you, rightly or wrongly, I think Rodgers will ship out Agger and Skytrel, over the  course of the next year or two.   

But I think that time will reveal that the problem was not our defence.......the problem is/was our balance.

Even the finest defence in the world, will get embarrassed, if left exposed by one's midfield.

If we had the money, we could easily find an upgrade for Allen.  He offers no goal-scoring threat.....which is disappointing for a midfielder.   But that is not one of our key priorities.

Think back to the Eveton game, in mid-season....we led 1-0....Allen had a tap-in to make it 2-0, and most likely win the game.   He fluffed it, and we missed out on three points.  Crucial points.

Anyone can miss a chance.  But Allen has a notoriously poor scoring record, at every club he has been at.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on May 25, 2014, 05:21:54 PM
I agree with you on balance which is why we need two extremely good full backs.

Allen is the least of our worries. True he doesn't score goals and he should chip in with around 5-7 a season but its his pressing ability, his passing ability and in game intelligence is why Rodgers needs him. We scored 100 goals last season and we're going buy one or two more attacking players this summer so Allen's goal scoring record is the least of our worries.

In regards to Sakho you are right in that had he played a more safe pass then maybe the goal would not have happened but it is the way Rodgers wants the centre backs to play and it creates more goal scoring opportunities than it does goals conceded opportunities so Brendan is going to stick with it.

But yes the balance is important and we need to find the right balance in defence and midfield and in transition.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
yes, balance is key.

I hope that Brendan has learned lessons from this season.

What do you think of the increasing price tag for the Southampton lad, Llahama?

If the media are to be believed, we have offered 20 million, and they want anywhere from 25 to 30.

I like the lad......good acquisition.

But once you start to go into mid and high 20s, you can't help but feel there is better value for money to be had abroad.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 25, 2014, 11:23:35 PM
yes, I think Remy would be a sound piece of business.

though with QPR now back in the premiership, Harry may now not feel like selling (at least not at the previous price).

I am a tad worried about Lucas, and whether his injuries have caught up with him.  He needs a good pre-season, and then we can more easily judge where he is at in the new season.

yes, we need core players to give us stability and continuity.

though I do wish that Gerrard was put out to pasture.

Arsenal and Liverpool target Loic Remy can leave for £8m, says QPR boss Harry Redknapp

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2639062/Arsenal-Liverpool-target-Loic-Remy-leave-8m-says-QPR-boss-Harry-Redknapp.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2639062/Arsenal-Liverpool-target-Loic-Remy-leave-8m-says-QPR-boss-Harry-Redknapp.html)

If he's £10M or less then it makes perfect sense, both in terms of fitting into the team when selected and from the point of value. He's entering his peak years and Sturridge and Coutinho have shown we don't need to spend huge amounts to get players that can really make a difference. I don't know where that would leave Borini, FA and League Cup appearances probably.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 25, 2014, 11:29:31 PM
The future of Liverpool! Daniel Sturridge praises 'lil bro' Jordan Ibe

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/478156/The-future-of-Liverpool-Daniel-Sturridge-praises-lil-bro-Jordan-Ibe (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/478156/The-future-of-Liverpool-Daniel-Sturridge-praises-lil-bro-Jordan-Ibe)

I'd love to see him break into the first team squad this season in a big way and save us a million along the way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 27, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
Apparently Bastian Schweinsteiger's available for a knockdown £10M. Is he worth a look? He'd certainly bring winning experience to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on May 29, 2014, 06:45:11 AM
Ah well...we won a league after all...!

'They might have blown the Premier League title but Liverpool held out for top spot in the official fair play league.

Brendan Rodgers' men edged last season's winners Arsenal into second place, while Everton and Manchester City were also left trailing in third and fourth place.

Luis Suarez's improved performance played a factor in Liverpool's rise from third to first, the Uruguay international striker received just six yellow cards and no red cards in comparison to 10 the season before.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2641767/Liverpool-edge-Arsenal-Everton-Man-City-win-Premier-League-Fair-Play-title.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on May 29, 2014, 06:45:32 AM
Apparently Bastian Schweinsteiger's available for a knockdown £10M. Is he worth a look? He'd certainly bring winning experience to the squad.

Would be awesome for 10 mil...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 30, 2014, 01:05:47 AM
Ricky Lambert rumoured to be having a medical on Saturday ahead of a £4M move. Whilst he'll be 33 in January, I think this is canny move. He has a good goalscoring record, won't bleat about bench duty and is under rated I think in terms of ability. He's a top pro and a great example for the younger lads to aspire to, plus he's a lifelong Liverpool fan and was released as a youth player.

He seems to be viewed as 'a typical big man', but he's far more skillful than that, and having said that, he will give us a different option up front.

He's the English Dzeko.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 30, 2014, 08:25:44 AM
Lambert has 29 goals and 15 assists in 75 PL games for Soton - meaning he's involved in nearly 2 goals for every 3 games he plays. I'd call that a difference maker, not bad for circa £4M.

He'd be the perfect player to help us defend a lead, as he works incredibly hard closing down and putting opponents under pressure and he's the sort that the ball can be played into/ up to and it sticks, meaning it doesn't come straight back at us and we're once again under pressure.

Neither of our forwards are strong in the air, so there's another dimension to help take advantage of corners and free kicks and someone who can help out defensively in the air at corners.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on May 30, 2014, 08:49:25 AM
Morning Tes,

Just seen the Lambert story on BBC website.  You're 100% right, very canny/shrewd move for a player who works hard for the team.  I maybe wrong here but to me he's like the english version of Dirk Kuyt but can score more goals than the former. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 30, 2014, 12:57:52 PM
Morning Tes,

Just seen the Lambert story on BBC website.  You're 100% right, very canny/shrewd move for a player who works hard for the team.  I maybe wrong here but to me he's like the english version of Dirk Kuyt but can score more goals than the former.

Hi Gurdeep, how's everything with you. Good to see you on here, my friend.

The more you look at Lambert's qualities the more sense it makes. He gives us something different, but still within the framework of Rodgers' favoured tactics. It's funny that you draw the parallel with Dirk because it's something I've always thought about Lambert too. They're what I call 'catalyst players' in that the way they play and roles they fill, they allow others to be more effective than they otherwise would. Against a more physical, bus parking team, Lambert is exactly the sort of player that will tie up the centre halves, both with his strength, work rate and movement, and create space and opportunities for the likes of Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling. It's up to them to then take advantage.

He also has a 100% penalty conversion 31/31 for Southampton, so we have an alternative to Gerrard, who probably will be used a bit more sparingly, and is a very capable free kick taker.
Loss of pace won't prove a problem, as he's intelligent enough to let the ball do the work, and I can see him giving us 2 or 3 good seasons, whilst not blocking the route into the first team of a younger player, as from memory we don't have a similar type of player in the U-21s anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on May 30, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
An interesting article, quite balanced for the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2643790/Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool-signings-Only-Daniel-Sturridge-Philippe-Coutinho-mark.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2643790/Brendan-Rodgers-Liverpool-signings-Only-Daniel-Sturridge-Philippe-Coutinho-mark.html)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on June 02, 2014, 01:37:57 PM
Hi Tes, I'm good thanks. 

Very happy with the £4M purchase of Lambert but what do you think about the Lallana impasse?  Our initial bid of £20M was a fair reflection of the players worth imho.  If £30M is what Southampton are looking to obtain then I think LFC should look at other targets who are proven at european and international level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 04, 2014, 09:50:41 AM
Hi Tes, I'm good thanks. 

Very happy with the £4M purchase of Lambert but what do you think about the Lallana impasse?  Our initial bid of £20M was a fair reflection of the players worth imho.  If £30M is what Southampton are looking to obtain then I think LFC should look at other targets who are proven at european and international level.

I'm already starting to get a bit fed up over both the Lallana and Moreno deals. We've made offers, both on the very high side, in my opinion,  considering the individuals' levels of experience and length of time they've shown a 'proven' level of the required performance. Both clubs involved seem to be messing us about.
£20M was more than fair for Lallana. If Southampton have made it clear that their asking price is £30M, then now we should have walked away and be concentrating on securing an alternative.
Likewise with Moreno, who I'm already dubious about his physical and defensive abilities (within the PL).

There is better value out there, and that's taken as given that the player(s) is/are suitable.

Hangeland has been released by Fulham, and whilst not the youngest, is the organiser we need and the perfect role model to help develop the likes of Ilori and even Sakho.
There's Feyenoord's Stefan de Vrij, who would be another excellent signing, and I'd place priority on Lovren over Lallana where Southampton are concerned.

Ayre, rightly or wrongly on my part, still has everything to prove where negotiating transfers is concerned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 05, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Yes we can.

http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/liverpool_sign_emre_can_834200/index.shtml
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 05, 2014, 01:13:57 PM
More on Emre...

Touted as the future of German football, Can began his youth career at SV Blau-Gelb Frankfurt before moving to Eintracht Frankfurt. In 2009, Bayern Munich recognised his gifts and secured his signature. In August 2013, with Pep Guardiola having 10 international midfielders at his disposal, the gifted player signed a four-year deal with Bayer Leverkusen in order to ensure first-team football.

"Emre Can is one of the biggest talents in German football," said Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge at the time. "With this step, we want to make sure he gets enough playing practice, for example like Toni Kroos had at Leverkusen, Philipp Lahm at Stuttgart or David Alaba at Hoffenheim."

When he sealed his switch to Leverkusen, Can played under the tutelage of Liverpool legend Sami Hyypia.

Emre's surname is pronounced 'Chan'.

While he prefers to play in central midfield, either in an attacking or defensive capacity, Can has also been deployed out wide on the left, where he loves attacking the full-back. He has also been utilised at centre-back and left-back.

The versatile starlet shares his birthday - January 12 - with former Spice Girl and huge Liverpool fan Melanie C. Can has captained the Reds' Academy striker Samed Yesil at international youth level.

He made his Champions League debut against Manchester United at Old Trafford in September 2013. Leverkusen were defeated 4-2 in that encounter.

Can is often compared to Germany midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger, due to his ability to switch from attack to defence with ease. He also boasts a powerful shot and can comfortably dictate the tempo of a game. His powerful forays forward have also drawn comparisons to Toni Kroos.


http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/164417-10-facts-you-should-know-about-emre-can
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2014, 02:02:08 PM
Emre's surname is pronounced 'Chan'.

Which makes him a right Charlie.  Taxi's already here.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2014, 02:12:11 PM
We should be looking at Granada's Guilherme Siqueira as an alternative to Moreno.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on June 05, 2014, 05:12:18 PM
Siqueira is going to Atletico Madrid.

Anyway the Moreno deal is practically done.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2014, 05:14:32 PM
Siqueira is going to Atletico Madrid.

Anyway the Moreno deal is practically done.

Nothing's guaranteed.

Your opinion on the Moreno deal Edward?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
FFP seems to be having no effect on transfer inflation. Well done UEFA, another resounding success along the lines of your revamping of the UEFA Cup. Bunch of suited cretins.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on June 05, 2014, 10:20:44 PM
I haven't seen enough of Moreno to make a good judgment call about his ability. From what I have read and from speaking to a few Sevilla supporters on various forums they say he is better going forward and contributing offensively than his defensive game which they say needs more work.

They said positionally he is excellent but his reading of situations needs to be improved upon. He tends to read situations too late and tries to use his physical attributes to cover for those lapses. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

However he definitely has that raw potential to grow and develop and as we've seen with Brendan he can develop players.

Moreno has been scouted by Rafa at Napoli this year and by Real Madrid for a couple of years plus a few other clubs - so they must see something in him that can be worked upon and that will add to what they have.

I am happy to have him here. If his positional game is excellent then that means his defensive game can and will get better because he already has mastered the positional part of that. He just needs to work on reading of the game. That is what I have been told.

But from what games I have seen of him I can see positionally he is very good and offensively excellent but defensively shaky a little bit because of his poor reading of the game. So from what I have seen it matches up to what I have read and heard from La Liga and Sevilla fans.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 06, 2014, 03:38:21 PM
I haven't seen enough of Moreno to make a good judgment call about his ability. From what I have read and from speaking to a few Sevilla supporters on various forums they say he is better going forward and contributing offensively than his defensive game which they say needs more work.

They said positionally he is excellent but his reading of situations needs to be improved upon. He tends to read situations too late and tries to use his physical attributes to cover for those lapses. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

However he definitely has that raw potential to grow and develop and as we've seen with Brendan he can develop players.

Moreno has been scouted by Rafa at Napoli this year and by Real Madrid for a couple of years plus a few other clubs - so they must see something in him that can be worked upon and that will add to what they have.

I am happy to have him here. If his positional game is excellent then that means his defensive game can and will get better because he already has mastered the positional part of that. He just needs to work on reading of the game. That is what I have been told.

But from what games I have seen of him I can see positionally he is very good and offensively excellent but defensively shaky a little bit because of his poor reading of the game. So from what I have seen it matches up to what I have read and heard from La Liga and Sevilla fans.

Cheers for that Edward. It tallys with what I've seen and heard of him too. It's a lot of money for someone not so defensively sound, but if a player has the basics positionally then it's a good base. Reading of a game tends to develop with experience and the art of tackling, how to, when to, when not to, when to shepherd and hold up and to make your move for the ball can all be worked on much more easily than a player 'getting it' positionally.

I guess I just view what the primary role of a full back is differently to the manager. He wants attacking full backs that can defend, whereas for me a full back first and foremost has to be a solid all round defender that can attack in different forms.

For me the Mancs had the perfect pair of full backs when they had Neville and Irwin. Primarily they were very sound all round defenders but were able to attack by either going on the outside and taking a player with them so their wide midfielder/winger wasn't doubled up on but could also cross on the run when the ball was played into their path, without having to take a touch. They didn't require the ability to take on or beat a man because of the way they were utilised - either as a runner/decoy, or being 'played into' a crossing position.

It's always more hard to judge young defenders. Very few are really strong at defending by the age of 25. It really starts to come together from then.

Good left backs are few and far between and great ones, well, who at the moment is a truly 'world class' left back, especially in the defensive sense? Answers on the back of a text.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 06, 2014, 09:07:07 PM
reminds me of exactly the type of full-back that Brendan craves........great going forward....

keeganesque signing.

but I like the look of the lads we are bringing in.

Can, Moreno (despite maybe not being much use at defending) and Lambert.

All technically very good.

Mind you, if we don;t get our tactics and balance sorted out, we will not get out of the CL group.

Star reporting today that we are close to landing Shaqiri, the bayern winger...a swiss lad....supposedly 15 million.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 06, 2014, 09:36:32 PM
not that it bothers me.

but I am a tad surprised at the deafening silence from Old Trafford.

they have a big summer of rebuilding needed, but they seem to have got no deals over the line.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 06, 2014, 11:23:40 PM
they have a big summer of rebuilding needed, but they seem to have got no deals over the line.

Long may it continue, because three or four quality signings and with Van Gaal coming in, we'd see a massive improvement in them I'm sure. My only hope is that somehow Van Gaal fails to adapt to the league, but somehow I doubt that will be the case.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 07, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
Reports that we're interested in Xherdan Shaqiri from Bayern Munich for 15 mil...any truth in that edward?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on June 07, 2014, 08:20:15 PM
It is true that we've looked at him but it hasn't gone any further than that at this time.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 09, 2014, 05:15:27 PM
It is true that we've looked at him but it hasn't gone any further than that at this time.

Shaqiri would be a very useful addition on the wings...

Looking like Moreno is a done deal?

Liverpool have agreed a fee of £16.2m with Sevilla, which may rise

Moreno is flying to England on Monday with his father and agent


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2652870/Liverpool-close-sealing-Alberto-Moreno-deal-Sevilla-left-jets-England.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 10, 2014, 09:26:21 AM
Alberto Moreno's Liverpool move hits snag as Sevilla look to renegotiate £16.2m deal

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/481373/Alberto-Moreno-s-Liverpool-move-hits-snag-as-Sevilla-look-to-renegotiate-16-2m-deal (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/481373/Alberto-Moreno-s-Liverpool-move-hits-snag-as-Sevilla-look-to-renegotiate-16-2m-deal)

Time to pull the plug. They've not jerked fellow Spaniards Barca about over their purchase of Rakitic, but then Sevilla have a history of this sort of thing when dealing with non-domestic clubs.

Time to look elsewhere, but not Ryan Bertrand, and waste no more time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 10, 2014, 11:32:21 AM
Alberto Moreno's Liverpool move hits snag as Sevilla look to renegotiate £16.2m deal

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/481373/Alberto-Moreno-s-Liverpool-move-hits-snag-as-Sevilla-look-to-renegotiate-16-2m-deal (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/481373/Alberto-Moreno-s-Liverpool-move-hits-snag-as-Sevilla-look-to-renegotiate-16-2m-deal)

Time to pull the plug. They've not jerked fellow Spaniards Barca about over their purchase of Rakitic, but then Sevilla have a history of this sort of thing when dealing with non-domestic clubs.

Time to look elsewhere, but not Ryan Bertrand, and waste no more time.

Agreed....is Sevilla start messing about then end it...ryan bertrand though is bloody awful...and would be another cissokho..
Nigel De Jong seems to be available and linked to QPR....if cheap he's be a useful addition in our midfield, sitting in front of the back four...

There's also talk of Suso off to Porto for 4 mil!!!!!! That's insane! Loan deal maybe...but never for that money...
we've done well with emre Can for 9 mil and Lambert for 4....let's not balls it up with cheap sales and being held to ransom...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on June 10, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
Explain how he's worth more than that?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 10, 2014, 07:31:10 PM
we've done well with emre Can for 9 mil and Lambert for 4 (the exception)....let's not balls it up with cheap sales and being held to ransom...(the norm)

Suso should  be sent out on loan if Rodgers doesn't see a place for him in the squad, but definitely not sold, not yet, and not for a mere £4M.

Ryan Bertrand shouldn't even be an afterthought, nevermind being in with a chance of actually being signed.

Whilst I'm not entirely convinced by Moreno at the sort of money being talked about, Ryan Bertrand at anything less than £20M to us for taking him of Chelsea's hands, shouldn't even be considered. I'd rather we looked at the youngsters already at the club than waste money on someone like Bertrand, who is a certain deadwood category player if ever there was one.

Why are Sevilla OK about Moreno leaving. Instead of signing Moreno, sign the player earmarked as his replacement.  8)
Sevilla aren't in as much financial strife as quite a few of the Spanish clubs, so I can't understand why they're comfortable with letting him go.

Let's sign defenders who first and foremost can defend, that's if we're serious about reducing the holes in that part of the ship before we really do start to take on water. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 10, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
Explain how he's worth more than that?

It's called maximising your assets, like every club does to us when we come knocking. He's still a young man and has the potential to be worth more than a paltry £4M. At least it's paltry by the numbers flying around this Summer.
We need to start getting better value when we sell.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 10, 2014, 09:33:08 PM
Explain how he's worth more than that?

economics mate...
for example....napoli.....can't seem to fork out for reina for 4 mil...but is trying to charge 60/70 mil for their best player...
to sell suso for 4 mil means a significant loss for our time and energy put into that player...he's been doing well in the spanish league..and as we have seen with alberto at 9 mil...and aspas at 7 mil....then a certain skill seems to count for something...

unless of course rodgers got those 2 wrong...heaven forfend...



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 11, 2014, 09:15:00 AM
economics mate...
for example....napoli.....can't seem to fork out for reina for 4 mil...but is trying to charge 60/70 mil for their best player...
to sell suso for 4 mil means a significant loss for our time and energy put into that player...he's been doing well in the spanish league..and as we have seen with alberto at 9 mil...and aspas at 7 mil....then a certain skill seems to count for something...

unless of course rodgers got those 2 wrong...heaven forfend...

Exactly. We can no longer think of things only in a sporting sense, but also in a financial sense. The prices of the two examples are a perfect illustration of what we face when buying, so purely from a common sense point of view, we have to do the same to maximise what we bring in, in order to put it to what we have to pay out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 11, 2014, 09:17:13 AM
he's been doing well in the spanish league..

Hence, his stock is on the rise or upward curve at the moment and that should reflect in his value, as we are seeing exactly the same thing happening with our targets.

The only thing to offset that is he has only two years left on his contract, and, apparently, has said he won't sign another unless he is playing regularly.

But as we're signing, one or two years left on contracts is not lowering prices as much as they have in the past.

Also, if we want one of Porto's players we would be given an outrageous valuation - it's how they work. So why should we 'give' them one of our players. In two years time they will be asking four fold for him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 11, 2014, 09:02:44 PM
Additionally, we should make sure we insert a buy back clause, like Arsenal have done with Vela, for let's say £3M, if all we're getting is £4M off Porto, plus a high percentage sell-on clause, 33%-50%, again because of the low transfer fee.

If not, in a couple seasons, after regular first team football, we could see his talent develop hugely, and Porto will be the ones to benefit financially. We need to be getting a big slice of that pie.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 13, 2014, 09:31:37 AM
Arsenal looking to buy Pepe Reina.

Seeing as it looks as though the manager has completely washed his hands of him for some reason, do we sell him to a direct rival?

If we're going to sell him to a direct rival then surely it has to be for more than £5M. He has two years left on his contract, not one, and by the time we've paid up our part of those two years, after all, Pepe won't have asked for a transfer, then we're at break even at best.

All the 'real' advantage in this proposed £5M deal feels like it's going to be Arsenal's.

Has Mignolet proven over the whole season to be £9M worth of improvement over Reina? Wouldn't it be better for Mignolet to have a Pepe Reina sized shadow cast over him keeping his mind focused more than a Brad Jones sized one would do.

Reina is only 31. He has a few years ahead yet. Surely it makes more sense to welcome Pepe back. Let the two of them fight it out to get the No 1 shirt (none of this squad numbers malarky for me, lad  :D) and then review it at the end of the season.

Mignolet wasn't massively impressive. Excellent in parts, a smattering of errors and some inconsistent performances. He shouldn't be the undisputed 'king of keepers' at Anfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 14, 2014, 12:56:11 PM
Looks like with Southampton want daft cash for Lallana that we are getting serious about Shaqiri and/or even Firmino:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-rumours-reds-open-3692097 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-rumours-reds-open-3692097)

And we seem to be having second thoughts about the price Sevilla are asking for Moreno, all things considered.

Good to see we're considering things carefully before committing huge funds. We can't afford a £18M full back this Summer and then replace him with another next Summer, like City or Chelsea would do.
Apart from the obviously huge sums of money we're talking about, it causes more disruption over too long a period. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 14, 2014, 02:12:44 PM
It appears we've sign Dele Alli, an 18 year old midfielder from MK Dons:

http://www.cheshire-today.co.uk/27367/ (http://www.cheshire-today.co.uk/27367/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 23, 2014, 06:48:17 PM
I am a massive fan of Suarez.....always have been.

But is he unsellable?  Or does there come a point where the figures get so crazy, that letting him go would be a smart piece of business?

e.g. say Barcelona were to offer us something ridiculous, like Sanchez for Suarez, plus 70 million?

Mind you, Suarez is almost irreplacable.  I was thinking about it today - and he might well be the best goal scorer that I have ever seen at the club in my lifetime (better than Kenny, Robbie and Ian).  Suarez is at a level, IMHO,  that only Robbie ever displayed briefly i.e. during Robbie's first season for the reds.

Suarez's second season at Anfield, has seen him develop his game, as to being a superb creator for others.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 23, 2014, 10:02:28 PM
Suarez's second season at Anfield, has seen him develop his game, as to being a superb creator for others.

Dude, I think that's the key for me. Not only does he score a lot of goals, and not just goals that have been laid on for him, but goals that he creates for himself aswell, additionally he creates a lot of chances for others. He's almost two players worth of talent. There are three attributes in one player - finisher of chances created by others, creator and finisher for himself, creator for others. Also he ties up opponents and creates space for others to utilise. He's a constant focal point for opposition defences even when he doesn't have the ball. And neither does he take penalties.

To replace him we're likely to need not just another prolific striker, but also one or even two players who create a sack full of chances for others and weigh in with double figures goal wise themselves. Goals would have to distributed amongst more players throughout the team, and it would heightened the need even more to keep the number of goals conceded down to a much lower level than we currently manage.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 25, 2014, 11:10:59 AM
Liverpool open talks with Atletico Madrid over Toby Alderweireld transfer

http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/25/liverpool-open-talks-with-atletico-madrid-over-toby-alderweireld-transfer-4774890/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/25/liverpool-open-talks-with-atletico-madrid-over-toby-alderweireld-transfer-4774890/)

I don't know what to make of this. There's no doubt he was a rising star in Holland, but since going to Atletico last Summer he seems to have lost his way, and I've not been overly impressed with what I've seen for Belguim this Summer. Then again, it's a mere 2 games.

It could be an inspired move where he comes good for us and on a sensible fee. Then again, he could prove to be an Aspas, but then that's the risk that comes with any transfer, no matter who - Veron was proof of that, as was Sami the other way.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 25, 2014, 06:43:45 PM
Dude, I think that's the key for me. Not only does he score a lot of goals, and not just goals that have been laid on for him, but goals that he creates for himself aswell, additionally he creates a lot of chances for others. He's almost two players worth of talent. There are three attributes in one player - finisher of chances created by others, creator and finisher for himself, creator for others. Also he ties up opponents and creates space for others to utilise. He's a constant focal point for opposition defences even when he doesn't have the ball. And neither does he take penalties.

To replace him we're likely to need not just another prolific striker, but also one or even two players who create a sack full of chances for others and weigh in with double figures goal wise themselves. Goals would have to distributed amongst more players throughout the team, and it would heightened the need even more to keep the number of goals conceded down to a much lower level than we currently manage.

after this latest biting thing, it is hard to know what will happen; and even harder to know if the repercussions will be for the best, or for the worse, Tes.

What he brings to the team is unique.  I think he is the best attacker that I have ever seen playing for Liverpool.

And as you say, it would take 2 or 3 players to do the work he does.

I do have to laugh, after considering it overnight, the over the top abuse he is getting (from the same usual folk).

Look at the BBC World Cup panel - and what ban did the english authorities give to Alan Shearer, when he stamped viciously on Neil Lennon, in May, prior to england heading off to the world cup that summer.  NONE.  ZILCH.  NADA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPp0teYYi70&feature=kp

And Robbie Savage?  One of the dirtiest players around.  Sly, yellow-bellied, slimy, no-gooder.

And I had to laugh at Robbie Fowler sinking the boot in this morning.  This is the same Robbie Fowler that was snorting imaginary lines of coke, along the football pitch markings, in a premiership game....and the same lad who was goading Graeme Le Saux during a game, about his supposed sexuality.

I do note that both Fowler and Savage have now apologised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTtqfavkXu0

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 26, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
after this latest biting thing, it is hard to know what will happen; and even harder to know if the repercussions will be for the best, or for the worse, Tes.

What he brings to the team is unique.  I think he is the best attacker that I have ever seen playing for Liverpool.

And as you say, it would take 2 or 3 players to do the work he does.

I do have to laugh, after considering it overnight, the over the top abuse he is getting (from the same usual folk).

Look at the BBC World Cup panel - and what ban did the english authorities give to Alan Shearer, when he stamped viciously on Neil Lennon, in May, prior to england heading off to the world cup that summer.  NONE.  ZILCH.  NADA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPp0teYYi70&feature=kp

And Robbie Savage?  One of the dirtiest players around.  Sly, yellow-bellied, slimy, no-gooder.

And I had to laugh at Robbie Fowler sinking the boot in this morning.  This is the same Robbie Fowler that was snorting imaginary lines of coke, along the football pitch markings, in a premiership game....and the same lad who was goading Graeme Le Saux during a game, about his supposed sexuality.

I do note that both Fowler and Savage have now apologised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTtqfavkXu0

Exactly...no one died...no one was badly hurt, ...it was mad and he needs a psyche evaluation....but if you follow Rugby Union, Dylan Hartley played against the All Blacks last weekend, after biting an opponents finger in 2012 and another guy in 2007...no mention of his disgraceful behaviour though cos he's english.

Stupids from Suarez but judging by those pics of him yesterday he knows he's in the Shiite..
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on June 26, 2014, 03:36:57 PM
So he's got a 4 month match ban from any football and entering any stadium.
9 match ban for Uruguay.
Pittance of a fine.
Pity we have to pay him for the 4 months...would amount to a 3.2 mil fine...might even make him think next time, but i doubt it.
So he'll miss 9 league matches and maybe 4 champs league ones...
Subject to appeal.
FFS.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
The punishment stinks.

It happened at a FIFA tournament, therefore should reflect that, and that only, and not penalise us, in either a footballing sense or financial one. It does both.

He'll miss out on half the group games in the CL, and it could be the difference between us getting out of the group stage and finishing fourth, not even qualifying for the UEFA Cup. Again, more financial penalising.

I don't suppose FIFA or the Uruguay FA will be covering his wages whilst he can't play or even train. Then having missed a pre-season, he's going to miss more games whilst getting up to fitness, or if he doesn't miss them, will be less potent. 

The club needs to appeal this in some way and get the part that affects us changed. A much longer ban from International football of all kinds would be more appropriate.

I'm amazed again at the 'indignation' that the media have come out with again. Whilst he bit an opponent for the third time, it's not a potential career ending assault like a two footed tackle is, yet I guess because of the 'shock value' of the act, it seems to be deemed far worse than jumping in at your opponent two footed. There's no doubt Suarez needs psychological help. He has a feral, childish reactive side, which he definitely needs help with, as it's hard to understand why he did that when he did, considering the state of the match and the way the play was at the actual time of doing it. There was simply no reason for any kind of 'flare up' at that precise moment, and so late in the game.

It's ridiculous the way the media is linking us to the incident. And the Uruguayan reaction is of no help to Suarez at all. Maybe it's an indicator of a wider mindset and explains some of the environmental development reasons for him having this as part of his make up in the first place.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2014, 06:15:52 PM
Looks like Lallana's in the bag:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-fans-love-adam-7338808 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-fans-love-adam-7338808)

Shaqiri next: http://www.dailystarsunday.co.uk/sport/football/386088/Liverpool-Transfer-Zone-23m-fee-agreed-for-Lallana-Origi-to-be-confirmed-Shaqiri-close (http://www.dailystarsunday.co.uk/sport/football/386088/Liverpool-Transfer-Zone-23m-fee-agreed-for-Lallana-Origi-to-be-confirmed-Shaqiri-close)

We seem to be buying players who all have the knack of scoring goals which has to be a good thing. Now we just need to sign two or three to help keep the opposition out.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2014, 08:01:58 PM
We seem to be buying players who all have the knack of scoring goals which has to be a good thing. Now we just need to sign two or three to help keep the opposition out.

yes, and while 25 million is excessive, there is a benefit to acquiring someone with proven premiership experience.

he can hit the ground running - whereas someone from abroad will take longer to acclimatise to a new league, and country - assuming they acclimatise at all.

agreed re your point Tes, about buying lads who can score goals.

Brendan might bring in a defender on the last day of the window, or he might go play golf instead. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2014, 08:10:14 PM
We're again being heavily linked with Lazar Markovic, but £20M+ seems a lot for a 22 year old who managed a huge 5 goals and 4 assists in 26 games - compare that to 20 year old Memphis Depay of PSV's 12 goals and 8 assists in 32 games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2014, 08:11:21 PM
I have to say that the 30 million United are paying for 18 year old full-back Shaw, is a MASSIVE gamble.

With a club that is nearly 400 million quid in debt, and not in the Champions League, this is a helluva risk.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2014, 08:12:19 PM
Brendan might bring in a defender on the last day of the window, or he might go play golf instead.

Or we might try even harder to outgun our own defence.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
Or we might try even harder to outgun our own defence.  ;D

 :D

defence is vastly over-ated.

attack attack attack

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2014, 08:21:06 PM
:D

defence is vastly over-ated.

attack attack attack

Whilst the attacking acquisitions and serious links are all very exciting and you can really see a good argument for each one, unlike with most of last Summer's buys, I'll be a bit more reassured once we bring in a left back and possibly a centre half. Still, it's probably my impatience, seeing as the window isn't even officially open yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2014, 08:25:12 PM
yes, as we both know, it is all about balance.

hope Brendan realises this.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2014, 08:29:47 PM
We're again being heavily linked with Lazar Markovic, but £20M+ seems a lot for a 22 year old who managed a huge 5 goals and 4 assists in 26 games - compare that to 20 year old Memphis Depay of PSV's 12 goals and 8 assists in 32 games.

Another one I like the look of is Wolfsburg's Croatian Ivan Perisic, who's looked dangerous in the three World Cup games and another that has had a more productive season than Markovic, with 10 goals and 5 assists last season, and again would be a fraction of the cost of Markovic, and both the Dutch and German leagues are harder than the Portuguese league and also much closer in style of play.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2014, 09:20:44 AM
Looks like Lallana's coming for circa £25M, which for me is far too much. Massive big club premium + English player premium and then some.

I imagine this won't be the last time this Summer we overpay, and I predict Southampton spend their windfall much better than we do, getting far better value and that the players they buy will have an equal or greater effect on their season than our's do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 29, 2014, 01:20:53 PM
yes, it is too much.   Like, it is not as if we are buying someone like John Barnes, or Peter Beardsley.

Ex Southampton icon, Matt Le Tissier certainly reckons we paid way too much, when he said on twitter, "Feel sorry for LFC losing all their money"

It feels as if we are working towards UEFA rules on some necessary English contingent in our team.  Feels like quota buying.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on June 29, 2014, 01:38:16 PM
we are seemingly spending a lot of money this summer.

hope it works out well - and is not a Spurs type summer bonfire of cash (like the one Spurs had last summer - where they threw a load of money away).


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on June 29, 2014, 02:21:07 PM
It feels as if we are working towards UEFA rules on some necessary English contingent in our team.  Feels like quota buying.

Dude, this is what I wondered too but then when you go through our squad we easily fall within both UEFA's and PL's quota rules.

An excellent piece here from the Telegraph's interview with Alan Pardew, especially the prices they paid for the likes of Cabaye, Sissoko and Debuchy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10933747/Luke-Shaws-30m-price-tag-is-why-we-buy-foreign-at-Newcastle-we-cant-afford-English-says-Alan-Pardew.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10933747/Luke-Shaws-30m-price-tag-is-why-we-buy-foreign-at-Newcastle-we-cant-afford-English-says-Alan-Pardew.html)

This is exactly the sort of thing I mean about overpaying for Lallana.

The Spurs comparison is a good one. Whilst we need to reinforce the squad, adding too many can mean trying to integrate too many players and the rhythm of the side gets disrupted.
Additionally, we could end up stockpiling more expensive dead wood or spending too much on too few and finding we're still understrength.

There are two, possibly three positions in the first eleven that need strengthening and so far the obvious priority of those two/three has not been addressed. I hope we don't skimp on the fee for a left back because we've spent heavily on the attacking positions, ie Moreno to Bertrand.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2014, 01:13:16 AM
Looks like Lallana's coming for circa £25M, which for me is far too much. Massive big club premium + English player premium and then some.

I imagine this won't be the last time this Summer we overpay, and I predict Southampton spend their windfall much better than we do, getting far better value and that the players they buy will have an equal or greater effect on their season than our's do.

Southampton are looking at FC Twente's Dusan Tadic, a left sided midfielder for around £12M. He's two years younger than Lallana, and scored 16 goals in 33 matches compared to Lallana's 9 goals in 38 matches.
In those same 33 matches he contributed 14 assists to Lallana's 6. So in pretty much every game he either scored or made a goal compared to Lallana's rate of less than 1 in 2.
In his two seasons with FC Twente he's played 66 times and scored 28 goals, so last season was hardly a one off.

With the amount of strengthening needed we have to be smarter.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 01, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
(http://www.shoot.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/adamlallana.jpg)


Lallana is finally ours.

“We are delighted to have secured the services of one of the Premier League’s top talents in signing Adam Lallana,” Brendan Rodgers told liverpoolfc.com. “What is apparent about Adam is that his character is on a par with his talent.

“He is an exceptional young man and someone who has a love for the game - and, most importantly, a desire to progress and improve. Adam is motivated by being the best he can be and being part of something special. We believe he fits right in with what we are trying to do at Liverpool.

“We have seen, over the past two seasons in the Premier League, he has a tactical awareness to adapt to what is required of him and to put the team above his personal ambitions. He has leadership skills and personal qualities that make him a special commodity and I am delighted we have acted decisively to make sure he is wearing a Liverpool shirt next season.

“Adam is aware there will be great competition for places at this club and he is hungry to improve further. We are confident he will fit perfectly with the culture we have at Liverpool. I’m excited about working with Adam and helping him to progress even further.”
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 01, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
Southampton are looking at FC Twente's Dusan Tadic, a left sided midfielder for around £12M. He's two years younger than Lallana, and scored 16 goals in 33 matches compared to Lallana's 9 goals in 38 matches.
In those same 33 matches he contributed 14 assists to Lallana's 6. So in pretty much every game he either scored or made a goal compared to Lallana's rate of less than 1 in 2.
In his two seasons with FC Twente he's played 66 times and scored 28 goals, so last season was hardly a one off.

With the amount of strengthening needed we have to be smarter.

yes, we need to be smarter.

I have always reckoned that if I was boss at Anfield, one of my first priorities would be trying to bring in Newcastle's scout - Graham Carr...........assuming of course he would leave the bar codes.

You know Tes, I was giving some consideration this week, as to what is to stop me from taking a keen interest in the top league in Panama, and becoming an agent (for the British/European market) for many of these lads.   Football in Panama is very strong at present.  Costa Rica is our next door neighbour.....and Panama can give them a good game (we were in the same world cup qualifying group - as Costa Rica, USA and Mexico).

I think the idea was inspired on reading a few weeks ago, that Tony Bliar's son, is becoming an agent in Brazil.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 01, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
Lallana is an excellent signing. It's not £25m in one go. We've only paid £16m up front.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
It's still a huge chunk of change. Let's hope he can be an ex-Blue turned Liverpool legend.

Any news on ze defensive reinforcements, Edward?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 01, 2014, 09:54:14 PM
It's still a huge chunk of change. Let's hope he can be an ex-Blue turned Liverpool legend.

Any news on ze defensive reinforcements, Edward?

We're in a deadlock situation with Sevilla over Moreno. We've also expressed interest in Lovren. Apart from that there is nothing major to report.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 02, 2014, 02:03:55 PM
Bertrand is again being linked for £7M. Why are we considering him, as he's neither a real upgrade on Enrique (apart from not being injured) or on Flanno who was playing out of position.

If we (the manager) are intent on him then what are we offering such a high fee for a player who is not wanted by his club, and who no other club (not even Villa where he was on loan last season) is interested in. If Assaidi isn't worth the £7M we want from Stoke, then Bertrand's value should be half of that.

Hopefully this won't happen, as we're spending money and not getting any improvement for the fee.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2014, 12:27:34 AM
Liverpool step up interest in Seattle Sounders defender DeAndre Yedlin

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/04/liverpool-step-up-interest-in-seattle-sounders-defender-deandre-yedlin-4787470/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/04/liverpool-step-up-interest-in-seattle-sounders-defender-deandre-yedlin-4787470/)

Interesting, if true.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2014, 08:03:42 PM
First it was Lovren, now apparently, Sissoko:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/387559/Liverpool-and-Monaco-eyeing-swoop-for-Newcastle-ace-Moussa-Sissoko (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/387559/Liverpool-and-Monaco-eyeing-swoop-for-Newcastle-ace-Moussa-Sissoko) and other media outlets.

Our interest in both players actually pre-dates Rodgers' tenure, yet 'as per' we wait until they're snapped up by another PL team and look to pay out masses more for them than if we'd have actually got our act together and signed them when there was the initial interest.

At least with this one we're getting in on paying over the odds nice and early:

http://thepremierleagueowl.com/liverpool-lazar-markovic-priorities-priorities/ (http://thepremierleagueowl.com/liverpool-lazar-markovic-priorities-priorities/)

Our transfer policy this Summer seems to be scatter gun, and without addressing the real issue from last season, our inability to stop any opposition, no matter how poor, from scoring.

The kid has entered the sweet shop arm with his Mum's credit card.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2014, 05:03:02 PM
Apparently we're trying to re-open negotiations for Moreno. Personally, I think we'd be far better off if we could get Wolfburg's Ricardo Rodriguez, or closer to home Swansea's Ben Davies has been one of the best left backs in the PL since Laudrup gave him his debut, and would cost about the same as Bertrand, but is far better.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 07, 2014, 07:12:42 PM
Now being linked with the 20 year old serb Markovic, for 25 mil no less! Insane price for an untested player who scores 6 goals in 49 games.
Khedira, the def midfielder for 22 mil would be a far wiser buy, experience, proven international etc...aka a safe bet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
£25m and he's yours! Liverpool told to raise bid for Dejan Lovren

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/387755/25m-and-he-s-yours-Liverpool-told-to-raise-bid-for-Dejan-Lovren (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/387755/25m-and-he-s-yours-Liverpool-told-to-raise-bid-for-Dejan-Lovren)

Offer them a choice of Skrtel, Coates or (reluctantly) Agger, seeing as Rodgers doesn't appear to rate our best (by far) ball playing centre half, despite making him vice captain last Summer, plus a few quid on top, and let's be done overpaying for a player we should and could have bought for a fraction of the price last Summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2014, 08:48:54 PM
Now being linked with the 20 year old serb Markovic, for 25 mil no less! Insane price for an untested player who scores 6 goals in 49 games.

Both Benfica and Porto have a habit (one we would do well to learn from) of buying in players for low, sensible fees and selling them on at vastly increased ones. They signed Markovic from Partizan Belgrade last Summer for £9M, now 7 goals and 4 assists in 48 games later he's worth more than double that? He must have a terrific chance creation stat.

Shaqiri surely is/was the better choice.

We're just throwing whatever stupid sum of money clubs are asking forat them, whilst we can't even offload our deadwood for peanuts. Apparently Sevilla have offered us half our money back for Aspas. Considering the way they price their players (unless they're selling their best one to Barca, of course), Aspas' single goal against the might of Oldham should make him worth at least his original purchase price, if not closer to £8.5M/£10M in Sevilla currency.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
Liverpool FC admit defeat in pursuit of Alexis Sanchez

Jul 07, 2014 20:29  By James Pearce


 Liverpool FC have been forced to admit defeat in their attempts to sign Barcelona attacker Alexis Sanchez.

The Reds held talks with the talented Chile international and hoped he would agree to be a makeweight in the Luis Suarez deal.

However, Anfield officials have been unable to convince Sanchez to make the move to Merseyside and they are resigned to the 25-year-old joining Premier League rivals Arsenal instead.

Both clubs were willing to match Barcelona’s valuation of around £30million so it came down to the player’s preference.

Sanchez asked for time to consider his options over the weekend and his representatives have now informed Liverpool that he is likely to join the Gunners. They cited the desire of Sanchez's family to live in the capital as key to his decision.

Missing out on Sanchez, who had scored 39 goals in 88 league games for the Spanish giants, is a blow for the Reds as manager Brendan Rodgers believed he would be a perfect addition to the club’s attacking armoury.

It also means that the deal for Suarez is set to be straight cash with Barcelona having already agreed to pay the release clause in his contract of around £75million.

The payment structure is yet to be finalised but with Sanchez no longer part of the equation progress should be swift and the finer details of the transfer can now be completed.

Liverpool are close to wrapping up a £25million deal for Benfica winger Lazar Markovic.
  [It gets worse]

The young Serbian’s move to Anfield has been given the seal of approval by his national team boss Ljubinko Drulovic.

“It'll be good for him and Benfica,” Drulovic said.

“Going to a very strong league will help him even more to become a major player worldwide.

“He's 20 years old and has a long time to play. Markovic could prove to become a very important player in Europe.”


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-fc-admit-defeat-pursuit-7386726 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-fc-admit-defeat-pursuit-7386726)

So £30M gets Arsenal 39 goals in 88 league games, meanwhile we're paying £25M (apparently) for a meagre 5 in 26.

In the Serbian league he scored 6 in 26 (2011/12) and 7 in 19 with 7 assists (2012/13), slight step up to the Portuguese Primeira Liga and it becomes 5 in 26 with 4 assists. At this rate Skrtel would be a better replacement even taking into account 3 own goals against 7 in the right end.

Looking at the way we're going about replacing Suarez's contribution, we've either got some massive defensive signings in the pipeline that have been kept miraculously quiet from all forms of media, or FSG have ordered a pair of 50 foot long double deckers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2014, 10:59:36 PM
Allegedly we're happy to help Napoli fund another loan for Pepe:

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/07/shared-salary-discussed-as-liverpool-and-napoli-talk-fresh-pepe-reina-loan/149026/ (http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/07/shared-salary-discussed-as-liverpool-and-napoli-talk-fresh-pepe-reina-loan/149026/)

So if true, we're not prepared to pay his salary, whilst having him play for us and have two decent keepers pushing each other, but we're happy to provide Napoli with their first choice and help them pay his salary, meanwhile his contract runs down further, as does his value.

There seems like there's far more money than sense swilling about the corridors of Anfield and Melwood this Summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 08, 2014, 09:35:27 PM
Can we buy Sami Khedira please??
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
Can we buy Sami Khedira please??

Khedira and Can sat in front of the back four. Sounds like a plan to me.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 09, 2014, 06:59:54 AM
Khedira and Can sat in front of the back four. Sounds like a plan to me.

Absolutely.
I see Sanchez and Remy are off to Arsenal. We should have thrown everything at getting both and now Arsenal will be back in the game. City, United and Chelsea all strengthen and if we don't strengthen our midfield and backline we'll be lucky to get top 4 now.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 09, 2014, 07:01:55 AM
Allegedly we're happy to help Napoli fund another loan for Pepe:

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/07/shared-salary-discussed-as-liverpool-and-napoli-talk-fresh-pepe-reina-loan/149026/ (http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/07/shared-salary-discussed-as-liverpool-and-napoli-talk-fresh-pepe-reina-loan/149026/)

So if true, we're not prepared to pay his salary, whilst having him play for us and have two decent keepers pushing each other, but we're happy to provide Napoli with their first choice and help them pay his salary, meanwhile his contract runs down further, as does his value.

There seems like there's far more money than sense swilling about the corridors of Anfield and Melwood this Summer.

So first Reina then i read somewhere that we were offering to do the same for Lucas! WTF is that about? I mean i love Rafa but i didnt think that helping Napoli constantly was in our remit???
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2014, 01:18:22 PM
Absolutely.
I see Sanchez and Remy are off to Arsenal. We should have thrown everything at getting both and now Arsenal will be back in the game. City, United and Chelsea all strengthen and if we don't strengthen our midfield and backline we'll be lucky to get top 4 now.

I feel a struggle ahead in my gut, and it's not last night's evening meal.  ;D

I can't understand why we haven't been in for Remy, he makes sense on so many levels. Sanchez was unfortunately down to his family's desire to live in damned London. I really hope we're not seeing a re-run of the Summers of 2002 and 2009, but it just has that feel about it at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 09, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Actually unlike 2002 and 2009 I think we are being MUCH more smarter in our business.

We are making proper 'depth' signings that we desperately need. Once you add in all those midweek European matches with all that travel involved, our already thin squad will have an uphill battle to stay in the top 4. Especially now with United getting an experienced manager and finally signing a midfielder.

We won't immediately be able to replace Suarez, but we can shore up the defence and midfield.

When the time comes and a truly world class striker is available (like the summer Higuain, Cavani, Falcao etc were for sale), we can do it then.

With Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can, Lallana, Coutinho who can all play in the midfield - albeit only Lucas, Can and Gerrard can play as the DM - moves for Khedira who will cost £25m plus doesn't make much sense.

Especially if we are going back to 4-3-3 and not 4-1-2-1-2 now that Suarez is off. So Sturridge will be our man in the middle.

So our moves for Lallana and Markovic then makes even more sense as they can play anywhere along that front three so we become more flexible.

From what I hear we WILL buy another striker. So it will be Sturridge, Lambert and whoever else.

We'll sign Lovren (probably) and a left back so Rodgers is looking to recruit in those areas. Whether you or I agree with those reinforcements is another matter. But we can't say he isn't looking at those areas as he is.

So I actually think we are being very smart in this transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 10, 2014, 12:12:02 AM
We've bid £10m for Ben Davies.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2014, 01:11:25 AM
We've bid £10m for Ben Davies.

Excellent. Him ahead of Moreno and Bertrand any day as far as I'm concerned. Give him a couple of seasons with the right coaching he can eclipse Shaw.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2014, 01:31:08 AM
Actually unlike 2002 and 2009 I think we are being MUCH more smarter in our business.

We are making proper 'depth' signings that we desperately need. Once you add in all those midweek European matches with all that travel involved, our already thin squad will have an uphill battle to stay in the top 4. Especially now with United getting an experienced manager and finally signing a midfielder.

We won't immediately be able to replace Suarez, but we can shore up the defence and midfield.

When the time comes and a truly world class striker is available (like the summer Higuain, Cavani, Falcao etc were for sale), we can do it then.

With Gerrard, Henderson, Allen, Lucas, Can, Lallana, Coutinho who can all play in the midfield - albeit only Lucas, Can and Gerrard can play as the DM - moves for Khedira who will cost £25m plus doesn't make much sense.

Especially if we are going back to 4-3-3 and not 4-1-2-1-2 now that Suarez is off. So Sturridge will be our man in the middle.

So our moves for Lallana and Markovic then makes even more sense as they can play anywhere along that front three so we become more flexible.

From what I hear we WILL buy another striker. So it will be Sturridge, Lambert and whoever else.

We'll sign Lovren (probably) and a left back so Rodgers is looking to recruit in those areas. Whether you or I agree with those reinforcements is another matter. But we can't say he isn't looking at those areas as he is.

So I actually think we are being very smart in this transfer window.

I agree we're looking to add depth, which makes our readiness to let Agger, Skrtel and even Pepe go rather strange, and utterly bizarre if any of them leave on loan. Experience is priceless, and especially when those three players have not just European football experience but CL football experience.

I don't think, in fact I'm certain, none of us believe we can replace Suarez but what we can do is recreate the 'effect' by spreading the chance creation and goals across a greater number of players, but we can also reduce the need for goals by adapting our game in order to be stronger defensively. By the end of last season every team was willing to have a go (with the exception of Chelsea). Cardiff put three past us, Palace didn't look shell shocked at 3-0 down and once they got the first there was no way they were settling for or believing that it would simply be a consolation, so we have to eradicate the impression we can easily 'be got at'.

I think your point about buying a 'name' striker is a good one, but they are becoming fewer throughout football, and we already have a potentially great goalscorer in Sturridge. We need to have the supporting cast to see that he flourishes, but he can't play all the matches, chances are he won't stay fit all season and with England qualifiers coming thick and fast I think we missed a trick in not getting Remy, who would have been an excellent 'partner' and/or replacement when Sturridge needs a break or is injured.

I also think Firmino is worth considering.

One centre half who's so far gone under the radar is Ron Vlaar who only has a year left on his Villa contract. He's a solid PL defender and has always impressed me when I've seen him despite the dross around him at Villa, and has shown his quality for the Dutch this Summer too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2014, 09:42:51 AM
So our moves for Lallana and Markovic then makes even more sense as they can play anywhere along that front three so we become more flexible.

Markovic? At the sort of prices being quoted? What does he actually bring apart from supposedly 'looking good with the ball'.

And boy have we lashed out financially whilst everyone screws us down to pennies when we sell. We are as weak as ever in the transfer market.

The speed with which we've been dealing with the 'attacking' aspect suggests Rodgers did know he would be needing to replace Suarez somehow, because by the end of the season the defence was howlingly obvious in need of being made the overriding priority for the transfer window and playing wise next season. Not the attacking aspect.
It's almost as though defence and the defensive aspect of football is an afterthought, the snot nosed little brother that has to be tolerated, instead of being central and integral to 'ultimate success'.

So far, and I'm stressing 'so far' it looks like more of the same this season, rather than understanding and addressing why we fell short. If we play like we did last season in the CL matches we will suffer humiliation. Just ask Taggart about how the PL formula doesn't translate to success in the CL.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2014, 01:47:20 PM
Chelsea transfer news and rumours: Blues put £8m price tag on Ryan Bertrand amid Liverpool and Tottenham interest

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-transfer-news-rumours-blues-7402676 (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-transfer-news-rumours-blues-7402676)

£8M. That must end our interest. That's a joke. If we can't get £8M for Assaidi, an attacker who is only a year older, hasn't spent most of his career farmed out on loan with no club showing a sniff of interest in making it permanent and who played 26 times for Stoke last season compared to Bertrand's 16, then Bertrand's value can only be half, at most of whatever Stoke screw us down to.

If Rodgers goes for him at that price, even remotely close, then I truly do despair of our manager when it comes to the defensive side of the game and transfers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2014, 04:18:26 PM
I see the Independent today has us apparently trying to hijack Arsenal's bid for Remy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arsenal-transfer-news-liverpool-set-to-hijack-move-for-arsenal-target-loic-remy-9600524.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/arsenal-transfer-news-liverpool-set-to-hijack-move-for-arsenal-target-loic-remy-9600524.html)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 11, 2014, 04:19:33 PM
Seems we are keen to bring in both Remy and Bony.

Or maybe we are using one as a backup. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2014, 07:30:46 PM
Seems we are keen to bring in both Remy and Bony.

Or maybe we are using one as a backup.

Cash in on Borini, and fee wise, Borini would cover Remy's buyout clause. We'd have a good array of ages and experience levels, Sturridge at 24, Bony 25, Remy 28 and Lambert 32. Three of the four have pace, at least of reasonable levels and Lambert's is in his head.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2014, 10:33:11 PM
I think Sanchez will end up more disappointed than some of our fanbase if these comments are anything go by:

"“The team not only plays really good football, but the squad is really good and we can win silverware.

“We have a great squad and we are a big club. We can achieve big things.

“Playing regularly wasn’t the only reason why I came here - I came here to win the league title, the Champions League and every title at stake.   

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Cartoon-Character-Mutley-Laughing.gif)


“I am here to win titles and to achieve as much as possible.
".

He obviously hasn't followed Arsenal's history over the last 8-9 years.

Also, you can see how Arsenal held the advantage over us. Wenger having the opportunity to talk to him at the World Cup. Talking with Fabregas about Arsenal and Wenger. Our manager didn't get the chance to tap him up at the World Cup, and whilst Masch could have sold the club to him, he couldn't have told him a bean about the manager he'd be playing under. Has he seen Ozil's form since he arrived in London?
I'd also imagine the Chilean and Spanish speaking population and culture is slightly larger and more widespread in London than it is on Merseyside.

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/arsenal/sanchez_eyes_ozil_partnership_and_reveals_why_he_chose_arsenal_over_liverpool_1_3680738 (http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/arsenal/sanchez_eyes_ozil_partnership_and_reveals_why_he_chose_arsenal_over_liverpool_1_3680738)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 11, 2014, 11:54:21 PM
We met with Bony on Thursday. He apparently has a £19m release clause which we are happy to match.

We are also interested in Griezmann.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
We met with Bony on Thursday. He apparently has a £19m release clause which we are happy to match.

We are also interested in Griezmann.

Yet Huw Jenkins is doing his nut claiming no contact from us or permission given to us:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-not-permission-talk-wilfried-3842803 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-not-permission-talk-wilfried-3842803)

This also seems odd if his release clause is £19M:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689236/Tottenham-ready-battle-Liverpool-Wilfried-Bony-prepare-18million-bid-Swansea-striker.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689236/Tottenham-ready-battle-Liverpool-Wilfried-Bony-prepare-18million-bid-Swansea-striker.html)

I hope we don't p!ss Swansea off especially if we are looking at Ben Davies too, though it does seem odd that Rodgers would be involved or know of any 'tapping up' being carried out against his old club. Maybe Jenkins is just preparing the ground with the fans for a sale and wanting to look like the injured party when the players leave. Still, that would be a sh!tty way to treat your own fans and rather disingenuous, if not slanderous, towards us.

Griezmann's release clause is very high, and whilst his stats say he's quality, I've yet to be impressed anytime I've seen him, as immaterial as that is. Also PSG are supposed to be sniffing round and it would be tough to compete both financially and in terms of them being the biggest club in his homeland. 

We seem to be linked with all sorts of forward and attacking players, yet in terms of defensive recruitments our left back list seems to consist of only two names and one of those can't get in his team ahead of a young right back playing out of position, and must hold the record for the amount of loan moves in a single career, and our centre half list seems to have just Lovren's name on it. Our only true defensive midfielder looks like being allowed to leave, so we'll have to hope that Emre Can really can be the answer, as there seems to be no defensive midfielder target list, or any attempt to add Henderson type energy to the squad, and we all saw his importance to us when he was suspended.

There's more ways to crack a Luis Suarez shaped nut than by simply trying to replicate the goals tally. It wasn't that we didn't score enough last season, so even if Suarez had stayed the attacking side of our game didn't need fixing.

I just wish we were seeing as many, if not more, solutions to our real problems as we are the facet of our game, even without Suarez, that is so much closer to what actually is required. Maybe it's just that the impression is actually different to the reality.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2014, 01:20:03 AM
... and our centre half list seems to have just Lovren's name on it.

And we won't be adding Steven Caulkner's name to it either:

Crystal Palace clinch transfer of Steven Caulker with club-record £8m bid for Cardiff captain

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-clinch-transfer-steven-3845429 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-clinch-transfer-steven-3845429)

It's interesting that we got linked to him, along with probably a lazy 'ex-player' type link to Spurs, yet the Mancs who need to replace Vidic and Ferdinand, Chelsea the same with Sideshow Bob (he even runs like he's wearing Bob's huge shoes  :D ) and Arsenal, especially if Vermaelen leaves, which seems to be looking likely, haven't been, as far as I'm aware. Does that mean anything, or not?

I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a rough diamond that Pulis polishes (instead of the turds he was used to at Stoke), and even more so that we're not linked with a £20M+ move for him this time next year because he's turned into a monster of a centre half under Pulis' tutelage.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2014, 01:24:16 AM
Quite a good article for the Metro. Does Jim write for them too?

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/11/why-wilfried-bony-or-anyone-else-can-never-be-a-replacement-for-luis-suarez-at-liverpool-4795020/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/11/why-wilfried-bony-or-anyone-else-can-never-be-a-replacement-for-luis-suarez-at-liverpool-4795020/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 12, 2014, 01:30:08 AM
And we won't be adding Steven Caulkner's name to it either:

Crystal Palace clinch transfer of Steven Caulker with club-record £8m bid for Cardiff captain

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-clinch-transfer-steven-3845429 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/crystal-palace-clinch-transfer-steven-3845429)

It's interesting that we got linked to him, along with probably a lazy 'ex-player' type link to Spurs, yet the Mancs who need to replace Vidic and Ferdinand, Chelsea the same with Sideshow Bob (he even runs like he's wearing Bob's huge shoes  :D ) and Arsenal, especially if Vermaelen leaves, which seems to be looking likely, haven't been, as far as I'm aware. Does that mean anything, or not?

I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a rough diamond that Pulis polishes (instead of the turds he was used to at Stoke), and even more so that we're not linked with a £20M+ move for him this time next year because he's turned into a monster of a centre half under Pulis' tutelage.

Quite a strange decision especially coming so soon after this which was published on Wednesday:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/caulker-still-wants-liverpool-transfer-3835513 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/caulker-still-wants-liverpool-transfer-3835513)

The Mirror has it's finger on the pulse as usual, I guess.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
Whilst it seems a huge hole to fill, the loss of Suarez can be potentially filled, and Remy and Bony are two solid choices.

I looked up Suarez's goals/assists record for both his first half season and full season. Likewise, Remy (who had a half season with QPR, then a full one with Newcastle), and Bony who only has a full season and no half season to compare. All the comparisons are for their first partial and full seasons to see how they potentially could help fill the void.

Premier League games only.

Suarez:
Season 10/11 - half season - 13 games, 4 goals, 5 assists

Remy (QPR):
Season 12/13 - half season - 14 games, 6 goals, 0 assists

Not a bad comparison especially when you consider Remy was playing in a team that struggled all season and was relegated at the end of it.


Suarez:
Season 11/12 - first full season - 31 games, 11 goals, 6 assists

Remy (Newcastle):
Season 13/14 - first full season - 26 games, 14 goals, 3 assists

Bony (Swansea):
Season 13/14 - first full season - 34 games, 17 goals, 5 assists

Again the figures for both Remy and Bony stack up quite favourably.

Even I will admit  :D  that Suarez has improved under Rodgers, even taking into account the team being built around him.

We probably wouldn't play with the same verve and panache with either Remy or Boney but the goals should still come.

Another thing to digest and the reason I BANG ON about defence is that 80 goals +/- 6, is the figure that is usually needed to win the title. We scored 100+ but still didn't win it. So if we lose 10-12 goals because of Suarez's departure, historically we should still score enough to achieve top 3 again.

However defensively, Premier League area, goals conceded by the champions are:

31, 38, 39, 35, 44, 33, 37, 45, 31, 36, 34, 26, 15, 22, 27, 22, 24, 32, 37, 29, 43, 37

So taking out Chelsea's 15 as that would skew things too much, the average amount of goals conceded by the winners is: 33.42
The average using 30+ is: 36.8

So it's not about worrying about losing 10-15 goals with Suarez's departure, it's more about working out how we cut the amount of goals conceded by 25% - that gives us 37.5, so the aim broadly is not to concede more than an average of a goal a game, but of course if we score zero even hitting that target netts us 0 points for that game, but you get the general point.

Having a great attack is not enough to scare teams into not attacking us. Teams showed last season that they will have a go despite the risk of conceding against our attack. If they get one, it could prove to be a turning point not a consolation, so we have to alter both the reality and the impression/perception that we are 'easy to get at' and 'score against'.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2014, 02:51:53 PM
Wisdom is apparently going out on loan for the whole of the season to WBA:

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Liverpool-defender-Andre-Wisdom-set-season-long/story-21457645-detail/story.html (http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Liverpool-defender-Andre-Wisdom-set-season-long/story-21457645-detail/story.html)

Excellent news that it's a PL team having been out on loan at Derby County last season. It's much better preparation and experience for him in the PL at this stage of  his career.

It will be interesting to see if he plays right back or centre half.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 14, 2014, 06:47:10 AM
So we can spend 135 mil now and we're being linked with the likes of Jay Rodriguez, let me guess 25 million. No bids for Khedira, Shaqiri or Benzema aka those with proven experience and quality. Anybody getting scared now?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 14, 2014, 01:39:39 PM
Seen we're linked with Marco Reus who would be far more like it. Fat chance though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 14, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Seen we're linked with Marco Reus who would be far more like it. Fat chance though.

supposedly the Reus link is bogus.

but I was very surprised to see the Rodriguez stuff......and the Mirror is usually spot on, so I take it is genuine.

BUT, it's probably Liverpool playing mind games/chess with some other club over our primary interest (which I presume to be Bony at Swansea).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 14, 2014, 03:59:12 PM
Whilst it seems a huge hole to fill, the loss of Suarez can be potentially filled, and Remy and Bony are two solid choices.

I looked up Suarez's goals/assists record for both his first half season and full season. Likewise, Remy (who had a half season with QPR, then a full one with Newcastle), and Bony who only has a full season and no half season to compare. All the comparisons are for their first partial and full seasons to see how they potentially could help fill the void.

Premier League games only.

Suarez:
Season 10/11 - half season - 13 games, 4 goals, 5 assists

Remy (QPR):
Season 12/13 - half season - 14 games, 6 goals, 0 assists

Not a bad comparison especially when you consider Remy was playing in a team that struggled all season and was relegated at the end of it.


Suarez:
Season 11/12 - first full season - 31 games, 11 goals, 6 assists

Remy (Newcastle):
Season 13/14 - first full season - 26 games, 14 goals, 3 assists

Bony (Swansea):
Season 13/14 - first full season - 34 games, 17 goals, 5 assists

Again the figures for both Remy and Bony stack up quite favourably.

Even I will admit  :D  that Suarez has improved under Rodgers, even taking into account the team being built around him.

We probably wouldn't play with the same verve and panache with either Remy or Boney but the goals should still come.

Another thing to digest and the reason I BANG ON about defence is that 80 goals +/- 6, is the figure that is usually needed to win the title. We scored 100+ but still didn't win it. So if we lose 10-12 goals because of Suarez's departure, historically we should still score enough to achieve top 3 again.

However defensively, Premier League area, goals conceded by the champions are:

31, 38, 39, 35, 44, 33, 37, 45, 31, 36, 34, 26, 15, 22, 27, 22, 24, 32, 37, 29, 43, 37

So taking out Chelsea's 15 as that would skew things too much, the average amount of goals conceded by the winners is: 33.42
The average using 30+ is: 36.8

So it's not about worrying about losing 10-15 goals with Suarez's departure, it's more about working out how we cut the amount of goals conceded by 25% - that gives us 37.5, so the aim broadly is not to concede more than an average of a goal a game, but of course if we score zero even hitting that target netts us 0 points for that game, but you get the general point.

Having a great attack is not enough to scare teams into not attacking us. Teams showed last season that they will have a go despite the risk of conceding against our attack. If they get one, it could prove to be a turning point not a consolation, so we have to alter both the reality and the impression/perception that we are 'easy to get at' and 'score against'.

thanks for putting together all that data.

yes, one thing I have learned, is that nobody (no matter who they are) is irreplaceable.

when Keegan left in 1977, I thought the sky was going to collapse.  But it didn't.  I learned from Kevin's departure.  One moves on, brings in other/s who bring new things to the side, and who pose different dangers to the opposition.

e.g. when Owen left, we went and won the European Cup the next season.

I hadn;t realised until recently just what a great season Bony had at Swansea.  VERY impressive for his first year in English football.

You are spot on, about us needing to have a strong defence.  If we do not concede so many, we do not need to score so many.  As I always harp on about, BALANCE IS KEY.

Your data suggests low to mid 30s, is what we need to be aiming for (goals against).

The problem is that Rodgers is solely focussed on attack.  I imagine by the end of the window, we will have Moreno and Lovren.  Both lads will be speedy - thus suggesting Rodgers has more of an eye on their ability to get across the pitch, and up and down the pitch.

We will, by definition, play differently without Count Dracula.  But for my money, it will be more of the same.  Very pleasing on the eye (especially with even more technically delightful players now in our ranks).  But desperately frustrating, if you hate to see the opposition scoring, and crave balance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2014, 08:30:50 PM
So we can spend 135 mil now and we're being linked with the likes of Jay Rodriguez, let me guess 25 million.

Bart, look at this way, once the merger with Southampton is complete we'll have Ronald Koeman rather than that Colin bloke as Rodgers' assistant. I'm not keen on the new badge which has the Liverbird stood beneath a tree, with it's foot on a ball and a halo (I think it's a halo but it could be a 'symbolic' wedding ring) above it's head. And the twig in it's mouth has been replaced by that white rose thing off Southampton's badge. The poor thing looks more like Ermintrude. It looks like Warrior must have designed it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2014, 11:04:33 PM
You are spot on, about us needing to have a strong defence.  If we do not concede so many, we do not need to score so many.  As I always harp on about, BALANCE IS KEY.

Your data suggests low to mid 30s, is what we need to be aiming for (goals against).

The problem is that Rodgers is solely focussed on attack.  I imagine by the end of the window, we will have Moreno and Lovren.

The average across the entire PL era with Chelsea's freakish 15 goals taken out so it doesn't pull the average artificially low is 33.42 goals.

If we reduced our goals conceded by 25% it would give us a total of 37.5 goals conceded, which is still 4 above the historic average for the PL era. Using seasons where 30 or more were conceded (there were 6 seasons in addition to Chelsea's record 15 where 29 or less were conceded) as this was the case in 14 out of 22 seasons, then the average rises to 36.8, still nearly a goal less than if we reduce our concession by 25%.

I've done it this way to try and find a reasonable amount by which we would need to tighten up the defence, without painting an artificially bleak picture, hence leaving Chelsea's 15 goal season out to make the average more representative. Likewise looking at just 30+ seasons.

The target sensibly has to be less than 35, but a 25% reduction on last season to 37.5 goals wouldn't be a million miles away. There have been 4 seasons where more than 37.5 were conceded by the winners, and a further 3 where 37 were conceded by the winners.

Moreno is known more for his attack mindedness than his defensive abilities. Lovren, I do rate as a defender (meaningless as that is).

Of course there were individual defensive errors, but that's not unique to us, but the underlying problem was a systemic one, not 50 individual errors, though Skrtel did his best to prove otherwise.  ;D

Also it's easier to change the system somewhat than to try and integrate a pair of full backs and a centre half (for argument's sake). With the exception of Flanno, none of the other defenders we used were exactly rookies. There were two new centre halves, and occasionally (Cissoko) a new left back, so if anyone wants to use that as the explanation then doesn't that rather make my earlier point for me, and so we're back to systems again.
Changing personnel regularly? Well, Skrtel, Agger and Johnson are hardly strangers to each other,  and they did play with Flanno also during Dalglish's time. So that leaves Sakho and Toure, and Flanno as neither played with him before. Just how many times did we see a defensive line up of Johnson, Toure, Sakho, Flanno? Not once.
The most 'unfamiliars' line up used was Flanno, Toure, Skrtel, Cissoko - used 4 times, 3 wins and a draw, 5 conceded, 1 clean sheet, 12 goals scored.

Whilst going through the line ups the most common combo used was Skrtel and Johnson. They played in more games together than any other duo or trio. Surprised? Thought not. The Skrtel Sakho duo suffered a few times, but not without Johnson also being in the team.

So why were we so bad when players who are familiar with each other played together so often?

Answers in an email to Mr B Rodgers@lfc.fc   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2014, 11:16:32 PM
Apparently Southampton want Martin Kelly. Three conditions should be attached:

1. They overpay like we did for Lallana - Kelly's English and has played for the full England team - premium should be applied.
2. They sell us Lovren, and not for £25M.
3. They DON'T sell us Jay Rodriguez.

I don't think we can keep waiting to see if Kelly can prove his fitness and break back into the team. Sell on clause definitely needs inserting though, in addition to 'add-ons'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2014, 11:34:23 PM
Swindon Town want young left back Brad Smith on loan this season. It's OK I suppose but Swindon are in League 2, which is the third tier of English football. Considering he's played for the first team and been in and around the first team squad, maybe a Championship team would be more the standard we should be looking at for him.

Talking of loans, we've agreed to loan Aspas to Sevilla. The same Sevilla of the ridiculous transfer fees, and whilst asking us for £20M for their left back can't even give us a few quid for a la Liga proven striker.

The Vaseline bill at Anfield must be eyewatering during transfer windows.  :'(   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2014, 12:11:53 PM
Newcastle look like signing Feyenoord right-back Daryl Janmaat for £5M. He would have been an excellent signing allowing us to tighten up defensively over Glenn Johnson's contribution without losing an attacking outlet.

At nearly 25, it wold have meant the right back spot was nicely sorted for the next few years with Janmaat and Flanno - we really can't say that Andre Wisdom can be a solution, and we could have got most of the fee back off QPR for Johnson. Ah well.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2014, 09:02:05 PM
Arsenal AGREE £3.2m fee for Colombia star David Ospina

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/389075/Arsenal-agree-3-2m-fee-for-Colombia-star-David-Ospina (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/389075/Arsenal-agree-3-2m-fee-for-Colombia-star-David-Ospina)

"While Wojciech Szczesny is unlikely to be disposed from his No. 1 spot, Ospina will offer good competition and joins the Premier League with a good reputation."

Two questions:

1. Would £3.2M really have broken our bank?
2. Why is it that Mignolet gets a free pass to his place in the team when most other positions have players that face competition for their place?

Competition focuses the mind and keeps players concentrating and on their toes. If doesn't or they don't fancy that sort of 'challenge' then they've no place being at the club.

When Ian Rush can fear for his place, then our current lot should be driven by the night terrors of not being in the starting 11.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 15, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
We will be getting in another GK though. Most probably Vorm.

Anyway Brad Jones is a good enough back up. If he can do it in an FA Cup semi final against Everton then he's ok by me.

You have to be aware that for goalkeepers the whole No.1 and back up GK is completely different to an outfield position.

I agree janmaat would have been a good signing. Alas he'll leave Newcy for triple the price in 18 months most probably - and probably to us!!!

I can see Flanagan making the RB position his own though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2014, 12:58:44 AM
Alas he'll leave Newcy for triple the price in 18 months most probably - and probably to us!!!

Hey!!!! Oh ye of little faith.  :D  That's my job.  Can't we poach Newcastle's scouting network or at least parts of it?

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
How inaccurate is 'Caught Offside' - this from: http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/07/16/as-good-as-messi-ronaldo-experts-managers-laud-liverpool-new-signing-markovic/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=as-good-as-messi-ronaldo-experts-managers-laud-liverpool-new-signing-markovic (http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/07/16/as-good-as-messi-ronaldo-experts-managers-laud-liverpool-new-signing-markovic/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=as-good-as-messi-ronaldo-experts-managers-laud-liverpool-new-signing-markovic)

"The young attacker can play anywhere along the front line, but is perhaps most comfortable in a central no.10 position, although he’s equally effective on the right wing."

However, from the lad's own lips, from: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-lazar-markovic-hungry-7434314 (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-lazar-markovic-hungry-7434314)

"When pushed on the subject, he stated that his preferred position was down the left-hand side, but insisted he was just looking forward to getting started at his new club, saying: He said: “The left side is preferable, but I will play wherever I am asked. I do not mind."

It's good to read such a well researched article - so what does it say about their claims that he's ‘as good as Messi & Ronaldo’, especially when Avram Grant's quote, which they put in their article just so everyone can see how inaccurate they are re the quote, actually says:

"I can say that apart from Ronaldo and Messi, Markovic is one of the best talents I’ve ever seen at 19 years of age".

So less than not 'as good as'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
An interesting article on Ben Davies: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2131317-swanseas-ben-davies-would-be-a-solid-purchase-for-liverpool

and from The Echo: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/search-goes-on-ben-davies-7435364 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/search-goes-on-ben-davies-7435364)

"Davies isn’t being targeted for his goalscoring prowess (for the record, he has three in two seasons)"

Glenn Johnson has 1 goal in the same period.

Ben Davies 2013/14         34 PL games 2 goals 1 assist
Glenn Johnson 2013/14   29 PL games 0 goals 3 assists
Luke Shaw 2013/14         35 PL games 0 goals 2 assists

Ben Davies 2012/13         37 PL games 1 goal 2 assists
Glenn Johnson 2012/13   36 PL games 1 goal 5 assists
Luke Shaw 2012/13         25 PL games 0 goals 0 assists


Johnson looks to be on a downward curve, whilst Davies the opposite, doesn't have experience to rely on and his team mates are of a lesser quality.

He more than holds his own in an attacking sense against a player who's strength is definitely attacking, and defensively is much stronger.

More importantly than assists, he created 31 chances last season, compared to Moreno's 19. I don't have figures for Johnson.

Even if he costs the reported £12M, compared to the likes of Moreno and Shaw, he's a good value option.

From what I've seen and read about him he reminds me of Alan Kennedy.



Update: Spurs have had a £10 bid accepted, whilst our £8M one had been declined: http://www.theswanseaway.co.uk/2014/07/davies-pulled-from-chivas-friendly-as.html#.U8Z84UBCx74 (http://www.theswanseaway.co.uk/2014/07/davies-pulled-from-chivas-friendly-as.html#.U8Z84UBCx74)

Surely it has to be worth upping our bid to £10M,  and see if Davies fancies staying closer to home and working with Rodgers again, especially when Shaw went for £27M and Sevilla want £20M+ for Moreno.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2014, 03:28:52 PM
From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10970676/Liverpool-and-Tottenham-battle-to-sign-Swansea-City-defender-Ben-Davies-as-Spurs-agree-10-million-fee.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10970676/Liverpool-and-Tottenham-battle-to-sign-Swansea-City-defender-Ben-Davies-as-Spurs-agree-10-million-fee.html)

"But Davies is aware of Liverpool’s interest and would welcome the opportunity to speak with Rodgers if they match the Spurs bid.

Unless the scouts go against form and actually discover a gem from somewhere, surely this one makes the most sense and ticks more boxes than Moreno and Bertrand.

Go on Brendan, you can do it. £2M more, and yes, we can pretend he's another attacker if you like.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2014, 04:24:20 PM
We're being linked with Micah Richards again. Why?

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/489434/Liverpool-eye-cut-price-deal-for-Micah-Richards-as-Arsenal-and-Newcastle-interest-dwindles (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/489434/Liverpool-eye-cut-price-deal-for-Micah-Richards-as-Arsenal-and-Newcastle-interest-dwindles)

Just because he has a year left on his contract and won't cost a huge fee, why would we even consider it? His injury record is dire. What makes Rodgers think that is miraculously going to change?
Not to mention his lack of positional sense and ability to actually manage to concentrate on the job in hand for a mere 90 minutes.

Best left alone unless our physios have been complaining about not replacing Degen and Aurelio.

Can't our ex-Man City scouting duo be just a touch more imaginative?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2014, 10:50:21 PM
David Maddock really ought to wait until the effects of his leisure activities wear off before putting fingers to keyboard:

Liverpool transfer hit-list now includes Arturo Vidal, Paul Pogba and Marco Reus

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-hit-list-now-includes-3875539 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-transfer-hit-list-now-includes-3875539)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2014, 10:54:20 PM
From: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/489588/TRANSFER-NEWS-Liverpool-eye-Bakkali-Chelsea-s-DOUBLE-swoop-Arsenal-s-Balotelli-twist (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/489588/TRANSFER-NEWS-Liverpool-eye-Bakkali-Chelsea-s-DOUBLE-swoop-Arsenal-s-Balotelli-twist)

Crystal Palace have agreed fees for both Cardiff striker Frazier Campbell and Tottenham's Icelandic midfielder Gylfi Sigurdsson.

That's excellent news for us if we are going back in for Ben Davies, as Swansea were wanting to re-sign Sigurdsson, and were looking to do a deal with Spurs. Now that advantage has gone.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2014, 11:00:27 PM
I can't help being impressed by Newcastle's scouting and transfers:

Newcastle signed Debauchy for £5M in January 2013, sell him 18 months later for £12M and replace him with Daryl Janmaat for £5M.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2014, 11:23:33 PM
Now we're being linked with Falcao.

(http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/competition/01/56/91/27/1569127_full-lnd.jpg)


Oops, sorry wrong one, this one:

(http://www.elintransigente.com/u/fotografias/m/2014/6/15/f300x0-199851_199869_3.jpg)


Because of his age, 28, knee injury, ACL, and the fact that Monaco seem to be in meltdown £25M should do it.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2014, 12:44:11 PM
We're allegedly looking at Atletico Madrid's young right back Javi Manquillo. It's not clear whether it's on loan (as Arsenal are trying for) or a permanent deal. They must be open to a permanent deal as they're rumoured to be offering him plus cash to Sevilla for Moreno.

If we do get him, even on loan, where does that leave Johnson, or is he looking at him as cover/competition for Johnson whilst leaving his options open to use Flanno as a left back again?

We'll be having a brand new back four/three at this rate. This season coming season doesn't look like being dull at least with so much transition still going on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2014, 03:08:46 PM
From: Liverpool set to lose Ben Davies transfer battle as left-back moves closer to Tottenham switch

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-set-lose-ben-davies-3879566 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-set-lose-ben-davies-3879566)

"Spurs are set to agree the £8 million fee today and then hope for the nod from the defender they have been chasing for weeks.

But Spurs are now willing to bid more and meet Swansea’s demand for a guaranteed £8 million fee.


So having turned down an £8M bid from us they're going to accept £8M from Spurs? I know things are more expensive in London than Liverpool but since when has £8M been more than £8M?

And what were we going to do - agree £8M, wait until he's signed for us and the paperwork is all sorted, then only pay them £7M?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2014, 06:44:11 PM
Liverpool tell Loic Remy to lower his wage demands if he wants £8million Anfield move

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-tell-loic-remy-lower-3881104 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-tell-loic-remy-lower-3881104)


Good to see that we won't be held to ransom on ridiculous salaries from the off, and if Remy is sensible he'll realise that we've been quite active in the last couple of seasons increasing the salaries of those who have earned it and performed well, so if he wants a huge salary, he knows what he has to do.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
Tottenham Hotspur set to beat Liverpool to the £10 million signing of Swansea's Ben Davies

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10977642/Tottenham-Hotspur-set-to-beat-Liverpool-to-the-10-million-signing-of-Swanseas-Ben-Davies.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10977642/Tottenham-Hotspur-set-to-beat-Liverpool-to-the-10-million-signing-of-Swanseas-Ben-Davies.html)

We know what we have to do, match Spurs bid or offer £11M. He may not be as exotic an option as Moreno, but when you compare his performance to Moreno's and Shaw's he comes out on top, both attacking and defending, and unlike Moreno, he's already shown himself more than capable of dealing with the physical side of the English game.

Although it's not quite as straightforward and simple, we can use the difference between Borini's sale price and Remy's buyout clause to improve our offer for Davies and that's two more pieces of the jigsaw.

If we miss out on Davies we're left relying on the form and fitness of Enrique or playing Flanno out of position.

Davies could be our left back for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 19, 2014, 08:20:01 PM
Looks like Spurs are getting Davies and Vorm, and sending cash and Gylfi Sigurdsson (who turned down Palace because he wanted to go back to Wales) to Swansea. Now if only Sanchez had Sigurdsson's outlook or had spoken to him before deciding (like those who shall remain un-named for the sake of this being a football forum) that London (and the South East) is the be all and end all in this country.

Hopefully Rodgers won't panic and overpay on Moreno or even worse, pay more than a couple of million quid for Bertrand.

Just like they wouldn't 'sell to a rival' with Lakaku, let's hope they maintain that stand over Bertrand. Doubtful though, as Lakaku would have strengthened us where as Bertrand will do the polar opposite.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 19, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
Best and funniest transfer rumour of the Summer:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698297/Ryan-Babel-fuels-speculation-return-Liverpool-tweeting-way-Merseyside.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2698297/Ryan-Babel-fuels-speculation-return-Liverpool-tweeting-way-Merseyside.html)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 20, 2014, 08:27:32 AM
I watched the last 30 mins of the  Preston game and turned on when we were 1-0 down ...saw some very nice touches from Suso and Ibe in particular impressed as he did for Brondby. Would be good if he could make the same impact as Sterling on the left wing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 09:25:17 AM
Would be good if he could make the same impact as Sterling on the left wing.

He's carving out a very similar path to Sterling. He reminds me of the Sterling of 2012/13 - his decision making and end product reflects his inexperience. However, look at the huge improvement Sterling made last season in that area. Ibe has the talent and it looks like the desire to be able to make the required improvement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 09:28:05 AM
It wouldn't hurt for us to look at Virgil van Dijk at Celtic if the Lovren deal doesn't happen. From everything I've read and the bit I've seen, he could be an excellent, difference making centre half. European experience too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 02:14:12 PM
Borini's flown out to the US with the squad instead of traveling up to Wearside to sort out his personal terms.

He'd better not mess up the great deal that the club has manage to sort out with Sunderland.

Does he really think he's going to get that many games this season ahead of Sturridge and Remy (if he signs), and he can talk all wants of CL football, but unless he's just after collecting stamps in his passport, again, he's hardly likely to feature in the CL matches.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
Ben Davies undergoing Tottenham medical dashing Liverpool hopes

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490107/Ben-Davies-undergoing-Tottenham-medical-dashing-Liverpool-hopes (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490107/Ben-Davies-undergoing-Tottenham-medical-dashing-Liverpool-hopes)

Despite having to find a new manager and then Pochettino having to run the rule over his squad and see what he needs, they've still managed to sort this deal out. It's not like we've had a huge list of left backs to troll through.
Moreno was always being priced above what we want to/can pay, and Sevilla will always just up the asking price if we up our offer, it's the way they work with PL teams, just like Lyon and Porto. Then there was Bertrand, who Chelsea made clear from the off they weren't selling to us, but still we've dithered.
Davies should have been second on the list, not Bertrand. Davies was the stand out young left back in the PL last season, his second season, better than Shaw.
We've dropped the ball on this one in regards to Plan B as far as Moreno goes.

We'll either end up paying £18M+ for Moreno, or when the transfer window shuts, we'll be the team, despite others also requiring left backs, left without a new one.

Also, if Davies is unsure of whether he'll be cover, first choice or what, it's a shame we didn't get permission to talk to him so the manager could have spelt out his plans, or is it a case of Huw Jenkins sulking about our alleged negotiating with Bony, when that was hardly more than a rumour, died quickly and our interest has hardly been intense at any time or maintained in anyway.

I just hope we don't panic on this one. Whatever we do must be an improvement on both Enrique and Flanno, and I hope we hold back some of our budget for January, in case there is an opportunity to sort it out then instead. Failing that, there's nothing wrong with waiting until next Summer if we can't improve on what we have, and the list of those who are an actual improvement, whilst short to begin with, is getting whittled down by the days/week.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 06:22:04 PM
Richards is now trying to get City to loan him out:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490101/Micah-Richards-eyeing-loan-move-after-Liverpool-Spurs-and-Newcastle-balk-at-7m-price-tag (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490101/Micah-Richards-eyeing-loan-move-after-Liverpool-Spurs-and-Newcastle-balk-at-7m-price-tag)

Injuries aside (and that's ignoring a huge issue for the sake of discussion), is he an upgrade on Johnson, Flanno, Kelly.

Talking of loans, Napoli are back begging to borrow Lucas again. What benefit is there to us to lose one of the few CL experience players we have in our squad and a brilliant role model and example to all the young players we are introducing, and for nothing. They seem able to purchase off every other team, so why are we different? Rafa or not, put up the cash or look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 06:38:49 PM
Either this is incorrect:

Dejan Lovren move to Liverpool IMMINENT after Southampton accept £16m bid

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490112/Dejan-Lovren-move-to-Liverpool-IMMINENT-after-Southampton-accept-16m-bid (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490112/Dejan-Lovren-move-to-Liverpool-IMMINENT-after-Southampton-accept-16m-bid)

or all the previous reports stating we'd had a £20M bid rejected were false, both and everything's made up BS.

It would be great if true, as £16M is still a lot, and nearly doubles Southampton's money in just one season, but he does seem to be our only genuine centre back target, which has always seemed odd considering our defensive necessities with or without Suarez at the club.   

He's another example of the gross differences in the papers' reporting on this deal:

From http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390001/Dejan-Lovren-set-to-snub-Tottenham-and-sign-for-Liverpool-within-the-next-48-hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390001/Dejan-Lovren-set-to-snub-Tottenham-and-sign-for-Liverpool-within-the-next-48-hours)

Dejan Lovren set to snub Tottenham and sign for Liverpool within the next 48 hours

"Liverpool are thought to be forking out £23m for the centre back as another of Southampton's stars heads for the exit."

So is the "1" in the Express's article or the "2" in the Star's a typo? Or something else?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 06:43:08 PM
Even if we get Lovren, I'd still like to see Virgil van Dijk brought in, as that would give us a long term trio of Lovren, Sakho and van Dijk, with Kelly/Wisdom/Ilori possibilities also.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 20, 2014, 07:28:25 PM
It is correct.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 20, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
Even if we get Lovren, I'd still like to see Virgil van Dijk brought in, as that would give us a long term trio of Lovren, Sakho and van Dijk, with Kelly/Wisdom/Ilori possibilities also.

Unless one or both of Agger and Skrtel are sold then Lovren will be our only centre back purchase.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
It is correct.

What is? The £16M price for Lovren?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
Unless one or both of Agger and Skrtel are sold then Lovren will be our only centre back purchase.

Exactly, which is why I wouldn't miss the heart palpitations Skrtel causes. For most of his Liverpool career he's been an error waiting to happen due to his lack of concentration, poor awareness, lack of patience and guile when (thinking about) tackling.

Agger deserves to be given the same chance Skrtel was last season. Agger is now in the same position as Skrtel was coming off 2012/13 last Summer.

Defence is the foundation on which successful teams are built. It needs to have more focus given to it. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 20, 2014, 09:42:20 PM
According to Tony Barrett it seems the the potential fee with the add ons included is £20m but the first basic payment is as you say.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 10:16:06 PM
According to Tony Barrett it seems the the potential fee with the add ons included is £20m but the first basic payment is as you say.

Considering the noises coming out of St Mary's that's not as bad as I feared it would eventually take to get him.

It seems unless you're pretty much a no-one at your club, with the very odd exception, transfer fees on the whole are ballooning yet again this Summer. So much for FFP hopefully squeezing them downwards.

However until one of the Nouveaux riches or Real/Barca are kicked out of the CL I doubt we'll see any curtailing of huge rises in transfer fees.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on July 20, 2014, 10:22:26 PM
It's the sky money this year which has made transfer sky rocket.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 10:28:29 PM
Tottenham set to swap Gylfi Sigurdsson for Swansea's Ben Davies and sign Holland international Michael Vorm for £3.5m

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2699182/Tottenham-swap-Gylfi-Sigurdsson-Swanseas-Ben-Davies-sign-Michael-Vorm-3-5m.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2699182/Tottenham-swap-Gylfi-Sigurdsson-Swanseas-Ben-Davies-sign-Michael-Vorm-3-5m.html)

That's a pretty good deal all round for Spurs. I guess we struggled on the three main aspects:

1. With Pepe's future unclear Vorm's position would also be, whereas he knows he understudy to Lloris at Spurs.
2. Ditto as far as Ben Davies is concerned. We already have Enrique, whereas Spurs only have Danny Rose and he was so poor that Vertonghen had to play out of position
    Additionally there's the uncertainty over whether we're signing an additional left back in Moreno, and there's also the 'Flanno factor'.
    Davies' way is absolutely clear to being the first choice left back straight away.
3. We didn't have a player like Sigurdsson that Swansea wanted. We could have given them  Borini and Aspas to replace Bony who's pretty much odds on to leave.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 11:14:11 PM
It's the sky money this year which has made transfer sky rocket.

I was meaning across Europe. I knew that the TV money had gone even crazier, but it would be good to see teams investing in their academies also.

Some of the valuations knocking about, especially from Italian clubs, seem a lot higher than in the past, or maybe it just seems that way if they're linked with English teams.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Sunderland want Fabio Borini's transfer from Liverpool sorted in the next 24 hours

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderland-want-fabio-borinis-transfer-3887131 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderland-want-fabio-borinis-transfer-3887131)

"The striker who scored 10 goals for the Wearsiders on loan last season will meet boss Gus Poyet on Monday after the clubs agreed a £14million fee"

Let's hope that's the case, but it seems odd that he's flown to the States if he's meeting Poyet on Monday, unless Poyet's flying to America, or Borini's flying back which makes no sense him going in the first place. Clear as mud.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2014, 02:02:42 PM
The market is so unpredictable this Summer:

Manchester United AGREE £16m deal for Borussia Dortmund star Mats Hummels

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490232/Manchester-United-AGREE-16m-deal-for-Borussia-Dortmund-star-Mats-Hummels (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490232/Manchester-United-AGREE-16m-deal-for-Borussia-Dortmund-star-Mats-Hummels)

That's a bargain, despite the fact he's untested in the PL, though Mertesacker's hardly struggled, so Hummels should be OK.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2014, 02:11:35 PM
Daniel Agger considering Liverpool future as Reds close on £16m Dejan Lovren deal

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490256/Daniel-Agger-considering-Liverpool-future-as-Reds-close-on-16m-Dejan-Lovren-deal (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490256/Daniel-Agger-considering-Liverpool-future-as-Reds-close-on-16m-Dejan-Lovren-deal)

It's disappointing if he does leave as Agger, Sakho, Lovren and Skrtel is the sort of combination of qualities that we need to be competing at the right end of the league and in Europe, though maybe the headline is a bit unfair on Agger as in the article he is quoted as saying:

"How things turned out last season is not acceptable for me. I am here now and it is up to me to show the coach that I should play."

Hopefully that means he wants to stay, he wants to fight to play as many games as possible (injury permitting, and he has to be realistic about that issue) and he understands it's a squad, not a first choice 11 situation, like maybe in the past.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
The market is so unpredictable this Summer:

Manchester United AGREE £16m deal for Borussia Dortmund star Mats Hummels

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490232/Manchester-United-AGREE-16m-deal-for-Borussia-Dortmund-star-Mats-Hummels (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490232/Manchester-United-AGREE-16m-deal-for-Borussia-Dortmund-star-Mats-Hummels)

That's a bargain, despite the fact he's untested in the PL, though Mertesacker's hardly struggled, so Hummels should be OK.

I was always perplexed as to why we were not in for these german lads this summer.

But I betcha they must be on to wages.

I see today United linked with Vidal again - Juventus will only part for top dollar with him....some reports say 40 million.  And he comes with reportedly Utd offering 200,000 wages per week.

Van Gall is a top manager.  But United are a club taking big risks......spending loads of money, despite already being in a load of debt.

And all in the hope that they can compete again at the top.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2014, 04:14:20 PM
Either this is incorrect:

Dejan Lovren move to Liverpool IMMINENT after Southampton accept £16m bid

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490112/Dejan-Lovren-move-to-Liverpool-IMMINENT-after-Southampton-accept-16m-bid (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490112/Dejan-Lovren-move-to-Liverpool-IMMINENT-after-Southampton-accept-16m-bid)

or all the previous reports stating we'd had a £20M bid rejected were false, both and everything's made up BS.

It would be great if true, as £16M is still a lot, and nearly doubles Southampton's money in just one season, but he does seem to be our only genuine centre back target, which has always seemed odd considering our defensive necessities with or without Suarez at the club.   

He's another example of the gross differences in the papers' reporting on this deal:

From http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390001/Dejan-Lovren-set-to-snub-Tottenham-and-sign-for-Liverpool-within-the-next-48-hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390001/Dejan-Lovren-set-to-snub-Tottenham-and-sign-for-Liverpool-within-the-next-48-hours)

Dejan Lovren set to snub Tottenham and sign for Liverpool within the next 48 hours

"Liverpool are thought to be forking out £23m for the centre back as another of Southampton's stars heads for the exit."

So is the "1" in the Express's article or the "2" in the Star's a typo? Or something else?

yes, all goes to show that what the papers do not know, they make up.

and then they, and other papers, keep on reprinting the made up figures afterwards, as fact, til the cows come home.

the papers had obviously heard earlier in the summer, that we had made contact for Lovren.  And that he was keen.   But after that, the papers have obviously made the 20 million stuff up.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2014, 05:23:58 PM
yes, all goes to show that what the papers do not know, they make up.

and then they, and other papers, keep on reprinting the made up figures afterwards, as fact, til the cows come home.

the papers had obviously heard earlier in the summer, that we had made contact for Lovren.  And that he was keen.   But after that, the papers have obviously made the 20 million stuff up.

Some seem to report it as (for example) "£20M", whereas others report it as "£17M with up to £3M in add-ons", depending on what agenda they're writing to.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
Borini's agent is supposedly saying he wants to stay with us and fight for his place. Depending upon the financial package he could expect at Sunderland, that's quite admirable, knowing who he's up against.

However, would Sunderland, Gus Poyet etc go to the trouble they have all Summer trying to negotiate a fee with us, and we seem to have driven a pretty hard bargain, without the merest idea as to whether Borini was the least bit interested or not, and wouldn't Rodgers have made it clear to Borini where he stood before allowing the club to negotiate his departure all Summer?

Other than journalistic 'made up rubbish' being the reason, something seems rather odd here.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2014, 10:22:31 PM
If Lucas moves to Napoli we could probably do with another midfielder. One player who I've always thought would suit us, and who I thought was the most consistent player for the Dutch, and who with De Vrij, just got better the longer tournament went was Wijnaldum. He's a proper all round midfielder, capable of playing different roles to suit the team make-up. I thought he was superb, tactically aware, disciplined, read situations well and picked his moments to get forward and support his forward(s) without leaving the Dutch exposed (or proving to have left them exposed when possession turned over quickly).

Although more of an attacking midfielder it was the other aspects of his all round midfield play that was most impressive and encouraging. He'd fit in well and cope with the element of flexibility Rodgers likes his players to have. He played deeper for the Dutch than I was expecting him to having always known him as a more attacking midfielder (38 goals and 18 assists in 110 matches for PSV) and it was his flexibility and adaptability that was pleasantly surprising.

Nevermind this "marquee" (shouldn't that be "marque" anyway) signing the media and some fans keeping harping on about, let's just get the right players that strengthen the overall unit and unity of the squad.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2014, 10:44:47 PM
Some seem to report it as (for example) "£20M", whereas others report it as "£17M with up to £3M in add-ons", depending on what agenda they're writing to.

yes, very true.

they always inflate, or deflate (when it suits their agenda).

Borini, for example, is probably a 10 or 11 million transfer, with an additional 2 or 3 million tagged on, dependent on performance.

strange one, the Borini one, as you mention earlier......why would the two clubs agree a deal if the lad was not kept in on the details (and found them acceptable).  Strange one.  Hope he does move on.  Not the level we need.  And decent potential money.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 09:01:45 AM
yes, very true.

they always inflate, or deflate (when it suits their agenda).

Borini, for example, is probably a 10 or 11 million transfer, with an additional 2 or 3 million tagged on, dependent on performance.

strange one, the Borini one, as you mention earlier......why would the two clubs agree a deal if the lad was not kept in on the details (and found them acceptable).  Strange one.  Hope he does move on.  Not the level we need.  And decent potential money.

Maybe that's the way transfers are done, but as players have contracts (when it suits either party) you'd think that Borini would have been talked to by Rodgers and 'his situation' explained, likewise Poyet would have discussed the chances of a permanent move with Borini, as Poyet had obviously decided by the end of the season he wanted him permanently as the transfer talk started the moment the season finished.
We can't sell him and Sunderland can't buy him against his will, his contract with us would see to that, so why all the ongoing price and payment scheduling negotiations if no-one is the least bit enlighten as to what the player actually wants.

Without want to be either naive or cynical, I admire Borini's desire to try and fight for his place in the team/squad. We need players with that attitude, but as you say Dude, he's not of the standard required (or at least he's not yet proven himself to be) if we are to be a permanent top 3 finisher, title challenger and re-build our performance in the CL.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 09:27:00 AM
From:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490450/TRANSFER-NEWS-Toure-s-move-collapses-Vorm-to-Tottenham-and-Can-stays-at-home (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490450/TRANSFER-NEWS-Toure-s-move-collapses-Vorm-to-Tottenham-and-Can-stays-at-home)

"Michel Vorm is set to swap Swansea for Tottenham this summer. The two clubs have reached an agreement over a £2.5million transfer fee."

£2.5M? I can't believe that's the case, and if it is, then either we've messed up on this one if the manager is intent on finding competition/replacement for Mignolet (Pepe Reina is another discussion for another day), or Huw Jenkins is a truly world class grudge holder seemingly being far happier to deal with Spurs and Levy than with us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 01:38:42 PM
Apparently we've agreed to take Atletico's 20 year old right back Javier Manquillo on loan for 2 years with an option to buy for €6M, though whether that's at the end of the loan or at some/any point during it, I don't know.

Arsenal have been trying to get him all Summer but couldn't apparently get an agreement to buy, which is what they want.

So either Johnson is on his way with Flanno, Kelly and Manquillo competing, or Rodgers' isn't confident of getting a left back and therefore we'll need Flanno at left back, so cover/competition will be needed at right back, as it does anyway, if we're not to have to rely on Johnson.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
What's the deal with Pogba? One good season, granted he was building towards it the previous season, absent at all times during the World Cup and he's worth £40M-£60M?

I really hope Rodgers doesn't fall for the new fangled trend of the "marquee signing" as the media are forever banging on about.

And despite all the media expressing the view that we haven't replaced Suarez, I've yet to see one example offered up of who that mystery player is, or the acknowledgement that if there was another option other than Suarez wouldn't Barca have taken it rather than have to take on the aircraft hold worth of baggage that comes with Luis?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 02:06:58 PM
Klopp rubbishes claims Hummels and Reus will leave Borussia Dortmund this summer

http://talksport.com/football/klopp-rubbishes-claims-hummels-and-reus-will-leave-borussia-dortmund-summer-140722103112 (http://talksport.com/football/klopp-rubbishes-claims-hummels-and-reus-will-leave-borussia-dortmund-summer-140722103112)

Hopefully this is true, as both players would seriously strengthen our rivals, especially the Mancs, who have yet to replace Ferdinand and Vidic and I really can't see us attracting Reus, especially after the demolition job Sahin did on his return to Dortmund.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 04:17:32 PM
Serge Aurier, Toulouse's right back that we had been linked with (along with another 100+) could be on his way to PSG for circa €10M. With 6 goals and 7 assists in 34 La Ligue games, as an attacking right back he certainly made a greater contribution for Toulouse than Johnson, 0 goals, 3 assists and numerous mistakes leading to goals in29 PL matches, did for us.

Just how competent a defender he is is arguable, but if he's not going to help stop them, the best thing he could do is score and make them at the other end, and unlike Skrtel, he doesn't try to wipe them out with own goals. :D

I'm surprised actually that Rodgers hasn't seen fit to upgrade/replace Johnson with someone like him, knowing how he wants his full backs to join in attacks and create the width. It's not as though we need Johnson in order to meet any PL or CL English/homegrown quotas.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 22, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
Ok Manquillo looks a good loan on the left so with enrique and so maybe flanagan can nip off to the right and give johnson some competition....
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 10:04:40 PM
Ok Manquillo looks a good loan on the left so with enrique and so maybe flanagan can nip off to the right and give johnson some competition....

Bart, Manquillo's a right back, but until we get another left back then Flanno will be needed à gauche.

If Manquillo's any good, and if we end up signing him then we'll be set up with two young right backs fighting it out for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 10:20:13 PM
Southampton steal march on Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal for Argentina star Marcos Rojo

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490707/Southampton-steal-march-on-Man-Utd-Liverpool-and-Arsenal-for-Argentina-star-Marcos-Rojo (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490707/Southampton-steal-march-on-Man-Utd-Liverpool-and-Arsenal-for-Argentina-star-Marcos-Rojo)

So who are we going to spend £25M on next Summer, Rojo from Southampton or Ben Davies from Spurs?  ;D

Southampton are putting together a handy squad, if the players gel, and Koeman 'gets' the league.

Spurs seem to be going down the same route as us and buying players that aren't the biggest names but who will probably make the whole stronger than the sum. If Pochettino does for Spurs what he did for Southampton then they could challenge for fourth.

I think there'll be a good scrap for the UEFA Cup spot too.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 22, 2014, 10:55:06 PM
It wouldn't hurt for us to look at Virgil van Dijk at Celtic if the Lovren deal doesn't happen. From everything I've read and the bit I've seen, he could be an excellent, difference making centre half. European experience too.

From: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/celtic-4-0-kr-reykjavik-hoops-3897700 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/celtic-4-0-kr-reykjavik-hoops-3897700)

"Both defender Virgil Van Dijk and striker Teemu Pukki helped themselves to braces to set up a clash with St Patrick's Athletic or Legia Warsaw

Handy having a centre half that scores goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2014, 11:16:40 AM
I've had NO contact with Juventus! Liverpool handed boost in Xherdan Shaqiri pursuit

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490890/I-ve-had-NO-contact-with-Juventus-Liverpool-handed-boost-in-Xherdan-Shaqiri-pursuit (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/490890/I-ve-had-NO-contact-with-Juventus-Liverpool-handed-boost-in-Xherdan-Shaqiri-pursuit)

If there was (semi) serious interest in Shaqiri I'd imagine that ended when we signed Markovic.

It would be great to have that sort of depth, choice and quality in the squad, but once Remy is confirmed then surely we have to turn all our attention to the defensive aspect of the team and squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
Juventus turn to Liverpool's Fabio Borini after Chelsea demand £31m for Romelu Lukaku

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390478/Juventus-turn-to-Liverpool-s-Fabio-Borini-after-Chelsea-demand-31m-for-Romelu-Lukaku (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390478/Juventus-turn-to-Liverpool-s-Fabio-Borini-after-Chelsea-demand-31m-for-Romelu-Lukaku)

If Juve come asking for a loan deal for Borini we ought to take a leaf out of Chelsea's book - no loan, £14M or nothing. Of course, they could pay a £14M loan fee if they wished. Loaning him out is pointless as his value is reducing (despite Sunderland's bid) and if he's likely to be regularly used for only 2 months until Morata is fit, it won't even benefit us with him playing regular football and being in 'the shop window'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2014, 07:09:00 PM
Now we're being linked with Arturo Vidal.  It's hardly the manager's m.o but then most journos are too stupid to realise that.

There's more chance of Luis re-signing for £25M.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 24, 2014, 10:03:33 AM
Now we're being linked with Arturo Vidal.  It's hardly the manager's m.o but then most journos are too stupid to realise that.

There's more chance of Luis re-signing for £25M.

Now "we've" decided against it, quelle surprise:

Liverpool ditch plans to stun Man Utd with Marco Reus, Arturo Vidal and Paul Pogba bids

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390657/Liverpool-ditch-plans-to-stun-Man-Utd-with-Marco-Reus-Arturo-Vidal-and-Paul-Pogba-bids (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/390657/Liverpool-ditch-plans-to-stun-Man-Utd-with-Marco-Reus-Arturo-Vidal-and-Paul-Pogba-bids)

However, the manager's comments are reassuring:

"He said: You only spend the money if the players are there. The good thing with the owners is the money is there if the right players are available.

What we can't do is spend for the sake of it. The players we've brought in were players we wanted anyway.

It was well documented our squad last year was too thin so we needed to bring in players to get that level and depth up.

Our signings are strategic signings. They are not just names. They all fit into the purpose of the team, but of course we want them to make a contribution.

If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same, then so be it.

The character is important. It is not just about the player, but the right type of person.

I want players that are committed to the cause to make Liverpool the best they can be.
"


Hopefully he keeps faith with those sentiments and doesn't go for Bertrand now we've lost Davies (and Vorm) to Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 24, 2014, 12:14:30 PM
Arsenal launch £8m bid to beat Liverpool and Chelsea to Brazilian starlet Roberto Firmino

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/491282/Arsenal-launch-8m-bid-to-beat-Liverpool-and-Chelsea-to-Brazilian-starlet-Roberto-Firmino (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/491282/Arsenal-launch-8m-bid-to-beat-Liverpool-and-Chelsea-to-Brazilian-starlet-Roberto-Firmino)

As we need goals, and we need more goals and creativity from midfield, I've said it before that we should be serious about Firmino.

16 goals, 12 assists and 70 chances created in 33 Bundesliga matches.

An excellent write up:

http://www.liverpoolroom.com/tag/firmino/ (http://www.liverpoolroom.com/tag/firmino/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2014, 05:23:55 PM
Dejan Lovren on brink of £20million move to Liverpool from Southampton

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2705883/Dejan-Lovren-brink-20million-Liverpool-Southampton.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2705883/Dejan-Lovren-brink-20million-Liverpool-Southampton.html)

A year and £11.5M late, but better than never I suppose, meanwhile Southampton will probably sign next Summer's target, Virgil van Dijk, from Celtic. Koeman will know him well from the Dutch league and as a non too xshabi defender himself, I'd trust his judgement.

That's if Newcastle or Sevilla don't get there first.

Let's just save ourselves the ignominy and cash, of course, by signing him now. I trust Southampton's and Newcastle's scouts, and Sevilla's for that matter, far more than our's.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2014, 05:50:34 PM
Allegedly, we're being linked with Sam Byram of Leeds. I've nothing against players from lower leagues but do we need another right back?

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/swansea-join-liverpool-in-the-race-for-leeds-united-defender-sam-byram/ (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/swansea-join-liverpool-in-the-race-for-leeds-united-defender-sam-byram/)

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sam-byram/leistungsdaten/spieler/236953 (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sam-byram/leistungsdaten/spieler/236953)

I'd rather see how Kelly's body holds up, then there's Flanno. Put Johnson on the left where he's seemingly better, I guess because he has to focus a lot more, see how Enrique goes too, and keep searching with a view to January.
I'd rather we held off and bought the requisite quality than bought in haste and desperation and ended up with Bertrand. We could always scout the Newcastle and Southampton scouts if all else fails.  ;D 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2014, 06:32:14 PM
I wonder if we've explored the chances of getting Gael Clichy, seeing as he's still behind Kolarov in City's left back pecking order.

He'd be a better option than Bertrand, surely.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2014, 08:10:23 AM
Arsene Wenger REFUSES to guarantee Szczesny first-choice Arsenal spot over Ospina

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/491987/Arsene-Wenger-REFUSES-to-guarantee-Szczesny-first-choice-Arsenal-spot-over-Ospina (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/491987/Arsene-Wenger-REFUSES-to-guarantee-Szczesny-first-choice-Arsenal-spot-over-Ospina)

Competition for places = focused minds, consistently higher performances.

If not, someone more deserving takes your place. It's what Mignolet needs, it's what Pepe's needed at times in the past - and now they both have it if Rodgers can just put "that letter" behind him for the benefit of the team.

Club. no. than. person. bigger. one. the. is.  It used to be the Anfield Way, and could be again. It's also known as pragmatism.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2014, 12:05:16 PM
Arsenal set to beat Liverpool in £16m bid for Southampton ace Calum Chambers

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/492137/Arsenal-set-to-beat-Liverpool-in-16m-bid-for-Southampton-ace-Calum-Chambers (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/492137/Arsenal-set-to-beat-Liverpool-in-16m-bid-for-Southampton-ace-Calum-Chambers)

Were we even in for him? I hadn't realised that a first choice right back was even a priority.

That's not the main point though. Again it shows how ridiculously overpriced English players are.

Take Mathieu Debuchy. Full French international, with 25 caps (though obviously not quite that many when Newcastle signed him).  231 appearances in the French league, plus an additional 18 in the CL and a further 8 in the UEFA Cup. Cost £5.5M
Arsenal only paid £13M for him after a further 43 appearances in the PL. Age 28 in the prime of his career.

So how can Calum Chambers with 0 international caps at 1st team level or even U-21 level, a mere 22 appearances in the PL, no European football of any kind, not even an FA Cup appearance be worth £16M, even though he is 19?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2014, 07:00:06 PM
Shaqiri's rumoured to be on the way because of Lallana's short term injury.

When are we getting the defence sorted out? You know, the thing that cost us the title.

What's Rodgers' plan to deal with our porous defence? Aim to make it 8-3 instead of 6-3?

We may have 3 right backs at the club with another out on loan, and 6 centre backs (until Ilori goes out on loan), but it's the quality, not the quantity that's the problem.

Has the manager finally managed to add a chaptor entitled "defence" to his dossier?

I know old age makes you impatient but now Rodgers is in the same decade as me I want him to develop that impatience with and urgency to correct our defence.  ;D

Now who's moved my pension book?

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2014, 07:10:51 PM
Divock Origi agrees five-year Liverpool deal after passing medical on Friday

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/391107/Divock-Origi-agrees-five-year-Liverpool-deal-after-passing-medical-on-Friday (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/391107/Divock-Origi-agrees-five-year-Liverpool-deal-after-passing-medical-on-Friday)

Great stuff, another signing to make our defensive woes a thing of the past.

No defence, no need to worry about it working or it.

Gee, Brendan's a crafty bugger.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 26, 2014, 08:36:38 PM
Shaqiri's rumoured to be on the way because of Lallana's short term injury.

When are we getting the defence sorted out? You know, the thing that cost us the title.

What's Rodgers' plan to deal with our porous defence? Aim to make it 8-3 instead of 6-3?

We may have 3 right backs at the club with another out on loan, and 6 centre backs (until Ilori goes out on loan), but it's the quality, not the quantity that's the problem.

Has the manager finally managed to add a chaptor entitled "defence" to his dossier?

I know old age makes you impatient but now Rodgers is in the same decade as me I want him to develop that impatience with and urgency to correct our defence.  ;D

Now who's moved my pension book?

Or Nicolas Gaitan of Benfica, though apparently so are Monaco, who will hopefully blow us out of the water.

If Rodgers really is intent on getting another wide left or 'can play wide left' player (Shaqiri), here's another option, who wouldn't break the bank, unlike the other two, and who's return stands up well in comparison.

I give you Jean-Paul Boëtius of Feyenoord.

Gaitan  P26 G4 A5
Shaqiri P17 G6 A2
Boëtius P29 G10 A10

Very two footed, which is always handy, age 20, so 2 years younger than Shaqiri and 6 younger than Gaitan, and would cost half (or even less) than the other two, Gaitan being probably at least half again as expensive as Shaqiri.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2014, 05:25:52 AM
Shaqiri's rumoured to be on the way because of Lallana's short term injury.

When are we getting the defence sorted out?

defence?  Who needs a defence.

the master-plan involves Liverpool buying up all of Europe's wingers.

If zwe have all the widemen, zwe will blitzkreig the opposition.....and we do not need a defence.

I think we will sub our two first half wingers, for two fresh wingers for the second 45 minutes.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2014, 05:41:12 AM
Why is Gerrard being offered a new 2 year contract, supposedly at 150 grand per week?

The 34 year old is under contract til the end of June 2015..........so why the feck we do need to be offering at this point, a then 35 year old a new extravagant deal?

He's going to be the most expensive tea maker in the history of the club.

He shot our title hopes apart in May, with his lunacy against Chelsea.

And as captain, helped throw away a three goal lead at Palace.

He never was a sweeper, nor will he ever be a sweeper.

What exactly does the lad have to do, before the emperor is seen to have no clothes.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 11:08:21 AM
Why is Gerrard being offered a new 2 year contract, supposedly at 150 grand per week?

The 34 year old is under contract til the end of June 2015..........so why the feck we do need to be offering at this point, a then 35 year old a new extravagant deal?

He's going to be the most expensive tea maker in the history of the club.

He shot our title hopes apart in May, with his lunacy against Chelsea.

And as captain, helped throw away a three goal lead at Palace.

He never was a sweeper, nor will he ever be a sweeper.

What exactly does the lad have to do, before the emperor is seen to have no clothes.

Not having a pop at the manager here, but does he genuinely believe in Gerrard, or does he think he needs to keep the fans on side and this is the best way of doing it, or even not cause a potential riff?

I find it hard to believe he is now/still the best option we can find for the holding/deep lying playmaker role.

At this stage of his career, age and with his injury record, he should be on a rolling 1 year contract with the club holding the sole right over the decision/conditions of renewal or not.

I know there's a sense of 'Liverpool without Gerrard' would feel wrong to some and scary to others, which is understandable if you've not experienced teams without previous iconic players leaving.

Watching John Barnes shuffle around as a deep lying midfielder in Roy Evans' team was a sad sight after the player he'd been. Him moving to Newcastle was a relief, likewise Tommy Smith moving to Swansea.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
Barcelona weigh up £12m bid for Liverpool's Daniel Agger as La Liga side seek to strengthen defence

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/transfernews/article-2707274/Barcelona-weigh-12m-bid-Liverpools-Daniel-Agger-La-Liga-seek-strengthen-defence.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/transfernews/article-2707274/Barcelona-weigh-12m-bid-Liverpools-Daniel-Agger-La-Liga-seek-strengthen-defence.html)


Bayern Munich target Liverpool's Pepe Reina as German champions search for back-up keeper

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/bayern-munich-target-liverpools-pepe-3919680 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/bayern-munich-target-liverpools-pepe-3919680)

So two players deemed surplus are wanted by two of Europe's biggest clubs.

I understand manager's seem to want 'their own players', but by definition all players are "your's" as you are their manager and that 'ideal' is a very tricky balancing act to pull off correctly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 11:38:19 AM
defence?  Who needs a defence.

the master-plan involves Liverpool buying up all of Europe's wingers.

If zwe have all the widemen, zwe will blitzkreig the opposition.....and we do not need a defence.

I think we will sub our two first half wingers, for two fresh wingers for the second 45 minutes.

We're going back to the future, so we'll be playing with "full backs", "half backs" or right and left "half", "inside" and "outside"/"winger" lefts and rights.


(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72629000/jpg/_72629529_pa-481841.jpg)


Though Mignolet's still floundering with the crosses.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 12:07:15 PM
An interesting insight in to Remy from Gerard Houllier:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loic-remy-perfect-example-team-7514164 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/loic-remy-perfect-example-team-7514164)

I love the way media have it down as "fact" that we have to replace 31 goals, as though it is 'absolute' that Suarez would have scored that many again.

The principle of spreading goals and creativity around the team and squad is far more comforting than relying on one or two. Not only does it mean injuries, suspension, loss of form etc have less of an impact but it makes us harder to set up against as it's not a case of stop "..........." and you stop Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 07:41:09 PM
So post Remy, we're again being linked with Southampton's Jay Rodriguez. If we pulled out of the Remy deal on medical grounds, signing a player before seeing how they recover from an ACL injury would be crass stupidity.

ACL injuries are one of the worst a footballer can get and too many of them are never the same again after one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 08:26:40 PM
Meanwhile, the Remy theories continue:

Loic Remy's team deny Liverpool medical failure?

Representatives of Loic Remy have reportedly claimed that Fabio Borini's refusal to leave Liverpool was the real reason behind their client's failure to complete a move to Anfield.

The French striker underwent his medical earlier this week and appeared to be on the brink of a switch to the Reds from Queens Park Rangers for around £8.5m.

However, the deal fell through on Sunday, with reports claiming that Remy had failed his medical, but the player's team have stated that Borini's decision to fight for his place with the Reds is why the QPR forward hasn't moved, according to Sky Sports News.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9396762/sky-sources-liverpool-pull-plug-on-loic-remy-deal (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9396762/sky-sources-liverpool-pull-plug-on-loic-remy-deal)

Liverpool were looking to offload Borini for around £14m to Sunderland, before they brought in Remy, but the Italian wants to remain on Merseyside.

Reds manager Brendan Rodgers will now reportedly pursue other alternatives.


http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/liverpool/transfer-talk/news/remys-team-deny-medical-failure_167538.html (http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/liverpool/transfer-talk/news/remys-team-deny-medical-failure_167538.html)

All very speculative at this stage, especially as the source is supposedly "Sky Sports sources", but if we can't afford the Remy deal due to Borini digging his heels in about staying, then how can we afford to "reportedly pursue other alternatives"?

I'd find it difficult to understand turning down a player as suitable as Remy and hoping Borini comes good, or going for 'an alternative' if Borini doesn't leave. To a degree I can understand Borini wanting some stability, and to prove himself, but I suspect he'd accept a permanent transfer if it was back to Italy and a decent team in Serie A.

As it stands Sturridge, Lambert, Borini does not bode as well as Sturridge, Lambert and Remy would have.

Rodgers' job just got a little bit harder.

It also makes defensive improvement even more critical if we're going to have to 'make do' with Borini's contribution over the potential upside Remy would have surely been.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2014, 09:14:23 PM
We're going back to the future, so we'll be playing with "full backs", "half backs" or right and left "half", "inside" and "outside"/"winger" lefts and rights.


(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72629000/jpg/_72629529_pa-481841.jpg)


Though Mignolet's still floundering with the crosses.  ;D

 :D

I remember those days well.

It was jolly bad business to attempt to stop a penalty that had been given against you.

We withdrew our keeper, from between the posts, when the other side took their spot kick.

And when the penalty was scored, we would clap and cheer our approval, loudly and profusely.  Jolly good show old chap.  Well  placed!

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 09:27:27 PM
:D

I remember those days well.

It was jolly bad business to attempt to stop a penalty that had been given against you.

We withdrew our keeper, from between the posts, when the other side took their spot kick.

And when the penalty was scored, we would clap and cheer our approval, loudly and profusely.  Jolly good show old chap.  Well  placed!

I still have the lace shaped scar on my forehead from the first and last time I headed that ball.  :D

There were more fights over whether the ball went under or through the crossbarstring than my Grandchildren would have had over whether it went inside the jumper or over it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 10:15:50 PM
Poyet looking to persuade Borini personally:

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/27/gus-poyet-banking-on-personal-chat-with-fabio-borini/152011/ (http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/07/27/gus-poyet-banking-on-personal-chat-with-fabio-borini/152011/)


All this Borini/Remy thing (if indeed the two are connected) makes no sense at all.

Sunderland seem to have negotiated a fee with us without the slightest idea as to whether Borini would be interested.

We seem to have gone to the time and massive expense of lining up a replacement without the slightest idea as to whether Borini would be prepared to leave and we do actually want/require a replacement.

Didn't Rodgers and Poyet at any time, especially near the end of the season, or once it had finished, have any discussions with each other, seeing as they wanted the same thing? Didn't Poyet discuss the possibility of a permanent transfer whilst Borini was there? Didn't Rodgers, either on the end of season mini tour of Ireland when Borini played, or at the start of pre-season discuss with Borini whether he was in his plans or not, and if he wasn't/isn't make it clear? Rodgers would then know Borini's attitude to staying or going and could have saved the time negotiating with Sunderland if Borini was going to refuse to move and the whole process with Remy.

Of course Remy's people could be being less than honest as he obviously wants to leave QPR and doesn't want other potential buyers being put off by medical scares.

Both his QPR and Newcastle medicals went without a problem, so he's had two since the problem with his Marseille one, and as Aurelio, Aquilani, Degen, Cole and Carroll prove, and Agger to a degree also, our medicals weren't/aren't the most reliable, unless things have changed since those players somehow managed to get through their's.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 11:05:33 PM
Loic Remy transfer: QPR fume after news leaks out that striker's Liverpool move has collapsed

Jul 27, 2014 22:30 By Darren Lewis, David Maddock

The French striker's £8.5million move broke on Sunday, following reports that the striker had failed a medical with the Anfield club.

QPR chiefs are furious at Liverpool for claiming that Loic Remy’s £8.5million switch to Anfield has collapsed.

Rangers still consider the deal is on and are also annoyed that the news leaked out from Merseyside yesterday afternoon.

The move is understood to have hit the rocks over Remy’s failure to pass a stringent medical. But further tests are planned on the France international today.


The 27-year-old striker – desperate to move to ­Liverpool to play Champions League football – was due to sign a four-year contract following a week of ­negotiations.

But the Reds pulled the plug yesterday and then declined to give a specific reason when they arrived in Chicago for last night’s game against Olympiakos. Reds boss Brendan Rodgers will also be disappointed after securing the World Cup striker for a smaller fee due to a release clause in his QPR contract.

Remy was on loan at Newcastle last season and missed almost a month at the back end of the campaign with a calf problem. But the issue is seen at Anfield as far more serious than that relatively minor injury.

He had flown to Boston for his medical and to discuss terms on an £80,000-a-year contract. But as the Liverpool squad moved on to Chicago as part of their pre-season tour, he returned home.

Remy now faces the prospect of missing out on his European dream and rejoining QPR. If the deal is confirmed as being off, it will leave Liverpool desperately searching for a striker only three weeks before the new season starts.

Rodgers was hoping Remy’s record of a goal every other game would help to reduce the impact of the loss of Luis Suarez, who scored 31 goals last season.

Now he will need to use some of the £75m raised by the sale of the Uruguayan to find a replacement quickly, with Swansea’s Wilfried Bony back on his radar.

But Liverpool will refuse to be held to ransom over wages or a transfer fee, despite their obvious need for more firepower.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remy-transfer-qpr-fume-3923597 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remy-transfer-qpr-fume-3923597)

Why would QPR 'be furious' at as for saying it's collapsed? Have we failed to inform them, and if so why? Why are further tests planned? Who are doing these further tests?

The story is dated today's date 27th and timed at 22:30, which would make it 16:30 in Chicago, but then further down the report it states: "But the Reds pulled the plug yesterday and then declined to give a specific reason when they arrived in Chicago for last night’s game against Olympiakos.". Are we therefore supposed to be reading this on Mon 28th July, and the 'further tests' will take place tomorrow, Monday?

And we're supposed to believe we won't be "held to ransom", as the report suggests, after paying the fees we have this Summer, especially the latest one of £20M for Lovren?

This whole Remy thing just gets stranger and stranger. Let's hope we don't come out of this and the Borini transfer looking like a complete bunch of amateurs like we did last Summer with the Ilori transfer and the last minute panic overpaying on Sakho.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
From: We won't fall for panic buys insists Rodgers despite late collapse of Remy deal

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-wont-make-panic-7516838 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-wont-make-panic-7516838)

"Borini, who has been stalling over a move to Sunderland, has flown back to the UK to have treatment on the shoulder injury he suffered against Roma in Boston."

Originally it was only a minor problem and no mention was made of him needing to return to England.

From: Rodgers offers Borini injury update

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/167051-rodgers-offers-borini-injury-update (http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/167051-rodgers-offers-borini-injury-update)

"Brendan Rodgers is confident Fabio Borini's shoulder injury won’t result in a lengthy spell on the sidelines for the Italian.

The forward was forced from the field after just 12 minutes of Liverpool's 1-0 defeat to AS Roma at Fenway Park on Wednesday night following a heavy fall.

Rodgers acknowledged Borini will require treatment, but insists the injury is not serious.

"It's probably not as bad as first thought," the boss told his post-match press conference in Boston. "He's had problems in the past with his shoulder, but he's only bruised it.

"He'll miss a few days of training. He won't train now for the remainder of the trip here, but it's only going to be a matter of days before he's back training and playing again.
"

Maybe he's bored over there if he can't train, but I wonder what treatment he can get in England that he can't stay with the squad and have done. It seems odd, especially if he's wanting to prove himself to the manager and stay at the club, and if the shoulder's only bruised.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 28, 2014, 06:59:09 AM
Lovren signs...

Lovren will become most expensive defender in Liverpool's history
He follows Lallana and Lambert from Southampton to Liverpool
Fee will outstrip £18m paid for Mamadou Sakho and Glen Johnson
Reds boss Brendan Rodgers has been pursuing Croatian all summer
Lovren completed his medical with the Merseyside club on Saturday
He is set to fly out to the US to join the club's pre-season tour


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2707395/Dejan-Lovren-signs-Liverpool-20m-Southampton-player-join-summer.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 28, 2014, 07:01:29 AM
So Lovren signed and we have plenty of centre backs now...pity about Remy so i'm guessing the focus will turn back to Bony. Lukaku would be an interesting one as well as Chelsea obviously want to get rid.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 09:10:03 AM
So Lovren signed and we have plenty of centre backs now...pity about Remy so i'm guessing the focus will turn back to Bony. Lukaku would be an interesting one as well as Chelsea obviously want to get rid.

Chelsea seem reluctant to sell us Bertrand, so I doubt there's any chance with Lukaku.

For me, being first choice would be the most important thing for Lukaku, after his experience at Chelsea and being first choice at WBA and Everton on his loans. I hate to say but I can definitely see him back at Everton. He'd be first choice there with no problems and they have European football on offer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 28, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Chelsea seem reluctant to sell us Bertrand,


The only thing in Jose's favour then!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 11:25:40 AM
The only thing in Jose's favour then!

I think he thinks he's getting one over on us and protecting his club by not selling to a rival (nice he regards us as a rival), or maybe he's just feeling guilty about that 2-0 at Anfield.

Either way, it's us he's doing a favour for really, protecting us from ourselves in wanting Bertrand.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 11:33:29 AM
From: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/492831/Chelsea-Liverpool-Man-City-and-Man-Utd-on-red-alert-as-Real-Madrid-snub-Radamel-Falcao (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/492831/Chelsea-Liverpool-Man-City-and-Man-Utd-on-red-alert-as-Real-Madrid-snub-Radamel-Falcao)

" Monaco want £9.5m for the season-long loan with the remaining £35.5m to be paid next summer. "


If we could negotiate a lower loan fee, would it be worth the risk or is it still too much, even if it buys us a season to find a replacement for Remy and to see if we actually need more firepower or not?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 11:52:56 AM
So post Remy, we're again being linked with Southampton's Jay Rodriguez. If we pulled out of the Remy deal on medical grounds, signing a player before seeing how they recover from an ACL injury would be crass stupidity.

ACL injuries are one of the worst a footballer can get and too many of them are never the same again after one.

We're being linked everywhere with him today, but as previously stated it would be a massive gamble buying a player for whom pace is a big part of his game, who has yet to recover from an anterior cruciate ligament injury and there's no way of telling if it will have a long term effect on his pace or playing style, and also what the psychological effects on him could be when he comes back. Additionally, other injuries could be easily picked up, especially in the first six months or so afterwards.

Although Lucas was never exactly blessed with pace he's never been the same player since since his acl injury, and his propensity for picking up injuries far more often than he did before his injury is probably not a coincidence. For a player who's come through what he has since joining the club, proving his mental toughness time and again, his problems since the acl injury have all been physical.
Would Rodriguez have that same level of mental strength?

On this one at least, the manager would be wise to heed his own words yesterday and look again next Summer if he still feels that Rodriguez has something to offer that we need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
Bart, look at this way, once the merger with Southampton is complete we'll have Ronald Koeman rather than that Colin bloke as Rodgers' assistant. I'm not keen on the new badge which has the Liverbird stood beneath a tree, with it's foot on a ball and a halo (I think it's a halo but it could be a 'symbolic' wedding ring) above it's head. And the twig in it's mouth has been replaced by that white rose thing off Southampton's badge. The poor thing looks more like Ermintrude. It looks like Warrior must have designed it.

(http://www.footballfancast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/liverhampton-525x600.png)


 ;D


http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/liverpool/liverpool-announce-new-crest-plans-and-name-change (http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/liverpool/liverpool-announce-new-crest-plans-and-name-change)

What about Southpool instead, then one of our nicknames 'pool wouldn't need the be changed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
Harry's take on things:

Loic Remy is fine, there is no issue with his fitness so I don't understand why move to Liverpool collapsed, says Harry Redknapp

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2708430/Loic-Remy-fine-Liverpool-LYING-collapsed-says-Harry-Redknapp.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2708430/Loic-Remy-fine-Liverpool-LYING-collapsed-says-Harry-Redknapp.html)


Harry Redknapp baffled by reports of QPR’s Loïc Rémy failing medical

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/28/harry-redknapp-loic-remy-qpr-liverpool (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/28/harry-redknapp-loic-remy-qpr-liverpool)


What Harry's said is odd or rather the fact that he's being freely interviewed, as QPR were supposedly angry that the story had broken:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remy-transfer-qpr-fume-3923597 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remy-transfer-qpr-fume-3923597)

Apparently Ayre and QPR's Phil Beard have spoken and agreed not to reveal the reasons, which is why Rodgers played such a straight bat to the question - Harry it seems hasn't got the memo.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/9398011/transfer-news-harry-redknapp-denies-loic-remy-failed-liverpool-medical (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/9398011/transfer-news-harry-redknapp-denies-loic-remy-failed-liverpool-medical) - video, halfway down page.

Rodgers' reply to questions about the transfer: " It's very simple, we have decided not to go ahead with the deal.
It's unfortunate for the player - we're obviously disappointed - but there's nothing more to be said. We move onto other targets.
"

One sentence stands out though, according to Redknapp "He has never failed a medical before. He’s never had a problem and didn’t miss a game at Newcastle (where he spent last season on loan)."

Wrong on two points. He did fail his Marseille medical originally, and he missed games at Newcastle through injury, all of August with a calf injury, which apparently amounted to 11 games in total (including pre-season games, I guess) and then 5 games between the start of March and the start of April, and he was playing with an injury (knee, I think it was) at the end of the season and that's the supposed reason he didn't play against us.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/loic-remy/verletzungen/spieler/45121 (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/loic-remy/verletzungen/spieler/45121)

Whilst I understand that it may be damage limitation as QPR wouldn't want 'damaged goods' to try to move on if Remy doesn't want to stay at QPR, it just seems odd that us and QPR have an agreement, which Rodgers has stuck to, yet QPR, through whoever, don't seem to be sticking to the agreement.
I'm sure Brendan would like to defend the club against accusations that it's because Borini won't move, as Sky Sports, through their 'sources are reporting, as it makes us look daft agreeing a transfer fee with Sunderland, arranging contracts, medicals, shirt numbers etc with Borini's "replacement" without checking first that Borini is actually prepared to leave, especially if we can't afford both Borini and Remy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 28, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
I think it must be the injury. With the Suarez money and the extra coming from Champions league, then if we can't afford 8.5 mil then we might as well give up on top 4 already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 08:25:14 PM
I think it must be the injury. With the Suarez money and the extra coming from Champions league, then if we can't afford 8.5 mil then we might as well give up on top 4 already.

The thing is when you look at the entire deal you can start to see how ridiculous wages are.

Transfer fee £8.5M + £80k per week x 5 years = £29.3M (that's without FA fees, VAT, agent fees etc)

If Borini's transfer fee is £12M + £2M add ons simplistically it leaves £3.5M surplus. 3 years left on contract, let's guess at £40K a week = £6.24M

So we stand to save/recoup £9.74M, leaving £19.56M as the very rough cost/commitment to make the Remy deal happen. Obviously all that is hypothetical/media derived and very, very simplistic but still it illustrates the sort of outlay we'd be looking at.

Also the Origi deal has been 'in the air' for a while and was only finalised at about the same time as Remy's medical and maybe Borini's insistance on stopping. Maybe we simply couldn't afford the financial commitment having all 3 would have left us facing, so it could have been Origi, not Borini, that's seen the deal flounder.

Also there's the question of insurance. If we can't insure Remy fully because of any medical situation then maybe that was a deciding factor. Newcastle may have decided to go ahead last Summer as their commitment was 1 season of wages and a loan fee. QPR may have inserted the low buy out fees to partly mitigate insurance problems in that they could move him on reasonably easily should there be a possible need to and they took the chance on Remy only being there for 6 months if they didn't avoid relegation. If they did then they have a greater income. I've no idea how financially prudent QPR's owner is and we know Harry likes to spend, and is a very persuasive character.

Newcastle have been linked with Carroll, Remy of course, and Alexandre Lacazette of Lyon, who we've also been heavily linked with and are being again post Remy. All 3 are around the same sort of value. It will be interesting to see if they do go back in for Remy.

Also different consultants take different views on the same condition. Maybe the consultant we dealt with holds different views and interpretations to the other consultants/doctors used by previous clubs and the French national team. 

What we do next, what happens to Borini and Remy for that matter, will probably paint a clearer picture, or when Remy gets back to London and he or his agent/representatives talk to Harry, Harry will kindly put us in the picture. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2014, 11:04:47 PM
No Liverpool Loic Remy transfer U-turn pledges Rodgers as he prepares to sign Divock Origi

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/no-liverpool-loic-remy-transfer-3927597 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/no-liverpool-loic-remy-transfer-3927597)

So is it finally being certain we'll get Origi that has made us drop out of the Remy purchase? It wasn't until about the same time as the delay 'over paperwork' started that it became more clear we would be getting him, especially with Atletico Madrid making a last minute all-out attempt to get him.

An interesting line from the Mirror article: " It is understood Liverpool took several opinions from top specialists before pulling the plug on the deal

Whether it's the Mirror's take or what, but this is the first time there's been mention of multiple opinions and the degree of checks (if it's true of course) must have meant it was quite a borderline problem.

I await Harry to update us soon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2014, 12:19:03 AM
From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/10996475/QPR-manager-Harry-Redknapp-doubts-claims-that-Loic-Remys-move-to-Liverpool-fell-through-on-medical-grounds.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/10996475/QPR-manager-Harry-Redknapp-doubts-claims-that-Loic-Remys-move-to-Liverpool-fell-through-on-medical-grounds.html)

" QPR were aware that Rémy has a historic heart condition, but do not think it would cause a problem with a medical after making extra checks on the issue before signing the player in January 2013.

 Rémy was cleared to play for Marseille in 2010, despite the discovery of a heart problem during his initial medical with the French club. Further tests showed that the condition was no obstacle to his football career.

Marseille doctor Christophe Baudot said the heart specialists who dealt with Rémy the second time round could find no reason to prevent him practising sport at a high level.
"

" The London club now expect him back by the end of this week. "  That should prove interesting.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2014, 12:43:29 AM
From: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493019/Harry-Redknapp-s-shock-at-Loic-Remy-s-medical-mystery (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493019/Harry-Redknapp-s-shock-at-Loic-Remy-s-medical-mystery)

" The Reds spent a significant amount of money not to only get Remy to the US but then to undergo a two-day medical in Boston hospitals.
It was also a time-consuming process as they were in unfamiliar surroundings with facilities that were set up for baseball player medicals.
"

So when asked to do a medical for football, Remy was found unfit to play Gridiron.  ;D

Wasps and the London Broncos have both enquired about Remy's availibility.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2014, 10:36:58 AM
He's another possibility re Remy:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2144514-should-liverpool-target-wissam-ben-yedder-after-loic-remys-failed-medical (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2144514-should-liverpool-target-wissam-ben-yedder-after-loic-remys-failed-medical)


" What probably transpired was Liverpool's medical team informed the front office of Remy's medical baggage.

In response, Liverpool leveraged Remy to renegotiate his salary.

He refused and it led to what Rodgers described as "unfortunate for the player," per Dominic King at the Daily Mail.

This has happened before under Liverpool owner John W Henry's leadership, albeit in a different sport.

First baseman Mike Napoli lost $34 million due to a failed medical, per ESPN:

Mike Napoli will sign a one-year deal with the Boston Red Sox, sources told ESPN on Thursday.
Napoli's contract is for one year with a base salary of $5 million, sources told ESPN's Buster Olney.
The deal comes more than six weeks after Napoli agreed to a three-year, $39 million deal with Boston.
That deal was taken off the table when Napoli, in the judgement of the team's medical staff, failed his physical.
"

But if this is the case didn't the manager or transfer committee communicate Remy's known heart condition to Ayre and the owners so that value and contract levels could be set with all information known and if they weren't prepared to pay him 'market value' in his contract, then having all the info before the contract offer would have meant they could offer accordingly and then it would be Remy's decision.

I hope we don't come out of this having made an avoidable mistake through poor communication (all this took place in the city of the owners, Boston), or proving to have lied, or at least allowed misinformation to become the accepted explanation without correcting it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on July 29, 2014, 04:56:50 PM
i know this is fantasy football but evidently Marco Reus is available and we're leading as faves to sign! with remy not signing maybe its a sign!

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=187445
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2014, 07:44:52 PM
i know this is fantasy football but evidently Marco Reus is available and we're leading as faves to sign! with remy not signing maybe its a sign!

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=187445

Meanwhile back at L4 Shane Long proclaims how he's just fulfilled a lifelong dream signing for Liverpool.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 29, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
good spot, Tes re possible renogiation of Remy's salary.

But if so, I am glad that our owners are now being very stringent re medicals.

Maybe our owners have been pissed off with so many players that we buy, being then out with long term injuries.

I welcome their approach - we are talking big transfer fees and salaries.....if there is some medical doubt, then any contract has to reflect that - and go with a low base salary figure.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 29, 2014, 07:53:04 PM
i know this is fantasy football but evidently Marco Reus is available and we're leading as faves to sign! with remy not signing maybe its a sign!

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=187445 (http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=187445)

exciting if we could pull it off

he's only 25 years old.

though him and his agents might merely be flirting with other clubs, merely to get dortmund to increase their wages on offer, for his new contract.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2014, 12:44:50 AM
good spot, Tes re possible renegotiation of Remy's salary.

But if so, I am glad that our owners are now being very stringent re medicals.

Maybe our owners have been pissed off with so many players that we buy, being then out with long term injuries.

I welcome their approach - we are talking big transfer fees and salaries.....if there is some medical doubt, then any contract has to reflect that - and go with a low base salary figure.

Totally agree Dude. These are huge numbers in terms of the commitment the club makes on each player. Whilst the fee was relatively cheap, though only in football (and probably UK house valuations  ;D) can the sum of £8,500,000 be regarded as 'cheap', as with most players the real financial commitment is the salary and term length of the contract. Remy's was reported as being circa £80k a week over 5 years. That's £20,800,000 basic and we don't know what bonuses and 'signing on fee' (a totally ridiculous concept in this day and age) there are on top. That's a minimum commitment of £29,300,000 the club has to make.
If Remy has a known condition of any type it could make getting insurance more difficult or the pre-known condition wouldn't be payable on if it became the reason he couldn't continue. We would have to continue paying him until the end of his contract.

Maybe the owners weren't initially aware of his heart condition prior to the contract negotiation, but once they'd seen the medical reports decided they wouldn't sign off on that salary with his heart condition, especially if they'd done it before with the Red Sox.

QPR knew that he wouldn't be there for his entire contract, Newcastle borrowed him for a year, but we were looking at 5 years, by which time he's 32/33, and obviously the older he gets the more chance of there potentially being a problem. You can understand why we were more cautious than Marseille, QPR, Newcastle and the French national team.

When you look at the known 'sicknotes' we've signed, or those that became 'sicknotes' you can see why caution has been used in this case.

The more you read about Remy's character and the little things he's pulled, the less savioury a sort of character he seems. Certainly, he's no Dirk Kuyt.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on July 30, 2014, 01:28:34 AM
afte
When you look at the known 'sicknotes' we've signed, or those that became 'sicknotes' you can see why caution has been used in this case.

The more you read about Remy's character and the little things he's pulled, the less savioury a sort of character he seems. Certainly, he's no Dirk Kuyt.

you know, maybe for all we know, our owners are pissed right now, with seeing Lallallana injured for 6 weeks.  Maybe that has spurred us to be very tight on medicals...............or, as you say, maybe getting insurance cover is a big issue (on such expensive wage contracts).

I hadn't seen anything on Remy's character - I am guessing here - big headed type? 

I do recall reading that he seemed to lose interest at Newcastle (with the rest of the ship in similar mode)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2014, 09:17:42 AM
I hadn't seen anything on Remy's character - I am guessing here - big headed type? 

I do recall reading that he seemed to lose interest at Newcastle (with the rest of the ship in similar mode)

Dude, this is just my impression, so more than likely I'm being unfair. He missed the game against us last game of the season. According to Pardew, both at the time and since, he was deemed not to have been quite fit enough. He'd had the calf injury March to April, which was apparently a re-occurrence from the beginning of the season, and had missed training all week in the week leading up to our game, again with a calf problem, so Pardew deemed him unfit, and that was the story given to the media.

Remy and his representatives, on more than one occasion came out and denied this and stated he'd come to an arrangement with Pardew to be rested so he'd be fit for the World Cup.
Whether he was injured or rested for the WC, in resting him Pardew did the player a huge favour and the club and fans a disservice, and therefore Remy should have accepted the public reasons given and backed his manager in return for being rested. If he was rested, Remy knows the manager can't admit to that, as it would cause disharmony amongst the players and anger amongst the fans.
Asking to be rested for the WC was a selfish thing to do (if that's what happened) putting himself (Remy) before the club paying his wages.
Telling the world he'd been rested 'as agreed' put his manager in a terrible situation, showed no respect to the fans and highlighted how he'd put himself and his WC place ahead of the club and fans.

There was a similar incident at Marseille, I think it was surrounding the medical, which his people denied there was any problem, which we know wasn't true as that's when the heart condition was discovered.

Also look at his career in England. He signs permanently, not on loan, with a relegation threatened QPR in the January, who then get relegated. He has a release clause to avoid being stuck with the team he chose to sign for. He gets his wish not to have and to try and help QPR get promoted and playing in the Championship, by getting the loan move to Newcastle. Despite Newcastle giving him the opportunity to remain in the PL, he has no desire to move there, and as you say, hardly broke his neck trying for the club in the second half of the season. Now QPR are back up, the club that gave him the chance to play PL football, he's still not interested in playing for them, or Newcastle the club that gave him the chance to avoid the Championship, and both clubs have bent over backwards, arguably to their cost, to accommodate the player's wishes.

There was another incident at Newcastle and at Marseille though I can't remember enough details, but the things I've read since the failed transfer, have just left the impression of a selfish and rather ungrateful individual. As I said at the start, it's only my impression and interpretation of things I've read, so it may well be my impression is based on inaccuracies.         
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2014, 04:49:15 PM
Maybe a cheeky bid for Shinji Kagawa. I doubt Van Gaal will have the slightest partizan feeling or deliberate antagonism either towards us or to selling an unwanted player to us. He seems way above all the nonsense Taggart would have loved getting involved in.

In his first season with them, despite not getting a regular run, he scored 6 and assisted 4 in 20 PL games, and added 2 more assists in 3 CL games.

In his final year at Dortmund he scored 13 and assisted 12 in 31 Bundesliga matches, with 1 goal in 6 CL matches and 3 goals and 2 assists in 5 German cup games.
The season before, his first in the Bundesliga, saw 8 goals and 1 assist in 18 league games, 2 goals in 6 UEFA Cup games and 1 assist in 2 German cup games.

He's shown an ability to settle into 2 different new leagues, and contributes a goal or assist every other game.  He's only 25 so the best is hopefully still ahead and can play from wide coming in also. He formed a great understanding with Lewandowski and he's just the sort of player you can see combining with Sturridge, Lambert, Sterling, Coutinho, Lallana etc.

Go on Brendan, you know you want to. Taggart's parting gift to us.  :P
   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
i know this is fantasy football but evidently Marco Reus is available and we're leading as faves to sign! with remy not signing maybe its a sign!

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=187445

Seriously though, the more you think about it the more sense it makes. If his buyout clause is indeed £28M, then it's a relative bargain in this Summer's even crazier than usual market. His wages would be huge, but FSG have shown they're not scared of investing in that way, either with us or the Red Sox.

2013/14 - 16 goals, 14 assists in 30 Bundesliga games, plus 5 goals and 5 assists in 9 CL games.
2012/13 - 14 goals, 11 assists in 32 Bundesliga games, plus 4 goals and 4 assists in 13 CL games.
2011/12 - 18 goals, 12 assists in 32 Bundesliga games, plus 3 goals and 2 assists in 5 German Cup games - Dortmund weren't in Europe.

It would be a huge investment but he's probably ready to kick on to the next level, like Suarez did over the last two seasons and you can definitely see him, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho (especially) being able to combine as well as Luis did with them, and he'd been harder to mark out of the game and cut supply to not playing in a central position.

If we do look at a big fee, big name signing then he would be the most exciting one. And please, no Lavezzi, the most overrated so-called forward I can remember for a long time and at 29 is getting on a bit. He's just so average, hardworking, but just so average as a forward player and not what you'd call a winger and not particularly creative either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2014, 10:51:44 PM
DONE DEAL: Southampton snap up Chelsea's Ryan Bertrand on a season-long loan

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/391848/DONE-DEAL-Southampton-snap-up-Chelsea-s-Ryan-Bertrand-on-a-season-long-loan (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/391848/DONE-DEAL-Southampton-snap-up-Chelsea-s-Ryan-Bertrand-on-a-season-long-loan)

Phew!!! I'd much rather go with what we've got, Enrique, Flanno (out of position) and Johnson, especially Johnson, as he's a much better defender playing left back. He doesn't seem to go forward as much or get caught out of position even when he is at least at the right end of the field. It's as though he has to concentrate a lot more and isn't complacent like he is when playing right back.

I think Bertrand would have been a very average, but very expensive mistake, soon to become just another piece of deadwood.

I find it hard to believe that not one single club he's been on loan to have signed him. It's not as though Chelsea managers seem bothered about keeping hold of him permanently, at least not to play him.
This Summer Spurs and the Mancs have both bought left backs. Arsenal need one as they only really have Monreal, as Kieran Gibbs was made in the same glass left back factory as Aurelio. Yet none of them have even looked at Bertrand. Even West Ham haven't bothered, no have Swansea needing to replace Ben Davies.

Poor old Southampton have had no real choice having lost both full backs with little time left to get permanent deals sort for both a left and right back and used to their team mates to any sort of degree before the league kicks off.

It will be interesting what Koeman can make out of "Mr Rentaleftback"
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2014, 07:30:45 PM
It seems yet again, for time number umpteen, we're going back in for Moreno. This is like a re-run of last Summer's pursuit of Ilori, where we left it right to the end to try and get the fee reduced, only to cave in and pay them exactly what they wanted, giving the player no time with his team mates.

We will probably end up paying £20M for Moreno anyway, without such a huge investment having time to gell with his team mates before the start of the season, or even into the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2014, 07:53:26 PM
Picture confirmation as Brendan Rodgers closes in on signing Marco Reus…


(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ad_141975428.jpg)


http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/31/picture-confirmation-as-brendan-rodgers-closes-in-on-signing-marco-reus-4816586/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/31/picture-confirmation-as-brendan-rodgers-closes-in-on-signing-marco-reus-4816586/)


Unfortunately for the clueless "journalist" who thought it was an amusing idea, getting LFC fans clicking on his shabby rag's site, probably with hopes raised, Rodgers had been working his way from left to right, so just like in real life, he'd actually passed up the chance to 'sign Reus'.  ;D

Additionally, 'Reus' wears number 11 for Dortmund and 21 for Germany.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 01, 2014, 10:52:06 PM
The manager's already done a u-turn on Moreno, well here's a chance to do another.

Swap Glenn Johnson for Loic Remy. We improve our goal difference twice over, Harry gets a second ex player to work with, he'll replace Remy by persuading Defoe to come out of whatever retirement home he's playing for in America and with Ferdinand, Defoe and Johnson Harry can feel like he's still at West Ham.

And if Remy does breakdown terminally he's only cost us around 50p plus his wages, which would inccidently be less than Johnson's.

Sorted. Now we just need a pair of proper fullbacks, not converted wingers, and an assistant manger/coach who's prepared to get himself lathered with the dirty, less savioury side of football, defending. Brendan can still be the front end whilst his assistant is the back end.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
QPR are looking to take Juve's Mauricio Isla on loan for the season, which is a potential blow for us, as it looks like Harry won't be interested in taking Johnson off our hands, and Isla would have been a good replacement for Johnson, especially on loan, as it wouldn't necessarily hold back either Flanno, or Wisdom (next season) if he stays.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2014, 04:29:55 PM
For reasons that can only be political Casillas has been made no1 at Real again and the previous no1, Diego Lopez, who'd kept him out, has been told he can leave. Rodgers could do a lot worse than at least think about it, unless he's patched things up with Pepe, which I think is doubtful.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2014, 11:40:02 PM
An interesting quote from this article: http://threeandin.com/archives/43123 (http://threeandin.com/archives/43123)

"Last week saw the bizarre collapse of Loic Remy’s move from QPR to Anfield due to a reported hole in the heart (source: Guardian).

The reason it's interesting is that nowhere has a "hole in the heart" been mentioned. The article quotes it's source for that as The Guardian, yet oddly, there's no mention even of Remy's heart in any of the Guardian reports, nevermind the problem with it.


Asa Hartford played his entire career in the late 60s, 70s and 80s with a hole in the heart, discovered whilst having a medical at Leeds in 1971 for his transfer from WBA.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2014, 11:46:08 PM
I hadn't seen anything on Remy's character - I am guessing here - big headed type?

From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21020992 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21020992)

"The 26-year-old had been due to arrive on Tyneside for talks on Sunday night but did not appear.

QPR matched Marseille's asking price and have now offered Remy a more lucrative contract, understood to be more than £70,000 per week.

Remy had previously indicated he would not join the Loftus Road club.
"



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 02, 2014, 11:56:06 PM
Maybe this sheds a bit more light on the heart condition or the reason for us backing out:

http://www.oneworldsports.com/stories/money-why-liverpool-denied-loic-remy (http://www.oneworldsports.com/stories/money-why-liverpool-denied-loic-remy)


" Loic Remy's €12million transfer to Liverpool was called off for financial rather than medical reasons, One World Sports has learned.

Liverpool had flown the France international striker and his agent to their preseason tour of the United States last week to undergo a medical examination and conclude discussions on Remy's salary package. According to a well-placed source, the club then attempted to negotiate down the length and value of an outline agreement for a five-year contract on a basic wage of £110,000 a week.

During Remy's transfer from Nice to Marseille, the latter club announced that MRI examinations had revealed “an anomaly” on the wall of his heart.


Heart conditions can change, especially physical ones, and cardiologists, like any other medical expert, can sometimes get it wrong.

I still wonder if the owners were unaware of the condition until it came to them signing off on the deal and therefore going through all the associated paperwork, though the figure of £110K a week is a lot higher than the £80K that has been pretty uniformly reported across all areas of the media.

As with nature of the heart condition, I've not seen this much detail reported, only that he 'had a heart problem' or 'an anomaly with his heart'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 03, 2014, 09:37:26 AM
Considering Sturridge's propensity for niggling not serious injuries, is it worth re-visiting the Remy transfer?

If it was a medical condition that caused so much concern, it must be a new one, as his career hasn't been interrupted by any major or particular injury, and whatever the heart anomaly is it hasn't affected his career in any way. Unless it is an insurance issue and QPR and Newcastle took huge risks, then surely we could look at it again?

Even if it means he had to accept £60K over £80K, or even the £70K he was supposedly on at QPR, surely Remy, if he has anything about him as a pro footballer, would prefer the chance to play CL football and challenge (hopefully) at the right end of the table rather than the bottom end or middle. His basic could be lower but made up with goal and win bonuses, even paying more for an equalising goal or a goal that proves to be the winner, than for other goals that are just part of a victory score.
Having read Arthur Lowe's book recently, these sort of bonuses really do happen and more often than you'd think.

Remy is the closest to Sturridge that is readily available, without being so similiar that they couldn't combine. Someone like Bony would require us to change the way we play to accommodate him.

I understand Rodgers talking about waiting, but by January our season could already be nearly over, and clubs are less prepared to release their strikers in the reduced length Winter window.

I hope the Lavezzi rumours are just that.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 03, 2014, 10:05:25 PM
Pepe Reina asks Liverpool to terminate his contract after failing to secure a transfer

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392489/Pepe-Reina-asks-Liverpool-to-terminate-his-contract-after-failing-to-secure-a-transfer (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392489/Pepe-Reina-asks-Liverpool-to-terminate-his-contract-after-failing-to-secure-a-transfer)

If he wants it terminating that's up to him, as long as he doesn't expect a penny beyond the termination date, especially as we're not going to get anything in the way of a transfer fee.

I guess him and Rodgers can't/won't kiss and make up. It's a shame as the idea of Brad Jones as second choice again fills me with worry. I don't mind the odd match, but if Mignolet was to get injured................ :'(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2014, 08:59:27 PM
Liverpool face battle with Inter Milan for £5m Barcelona ace Dani Alves

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392659/Liverpool-face-battle-with-Inter-Milan-for-5m-Barcelona-ace-Dani-Alves (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392659/Liverpool-face-battle-with-Inter-Milan-for-5m-Barcelona-ace-Dani-Alves)

Why? We need a right back who is a defender but who could contribute to the attack if the opportunity arises.
We already we a right back who is that in name only.

Let him use Inter as his pension plan. He'd also be more effective in the much slower paced Serie A.

Thanks, but definitely not thanks.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 01:27:16 AM
Liverpool and Tottenham on Wilfried Bony alert with Swansea set to ditch £19million release clause

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-tottenham-wilfried-bony-alert-3991655 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-tottenham-wilfried-bony-alert-3991655)

Swap deal for Borini? It worked for Spurs with Gylfi Sigurdsson.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 01:43:17 AM
Alberto Moreno nears Liverpool move after Premier League side agree £16m transfer fee with Spain international's club Sevilla

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2716110/Alberto-Moreno-nears-Liverpool-Premier-League-agree-16m-transfer-fee-Spain-international-s-club-Sevilla.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2716110/Alberto-Moreno-nears-Liverpool-Premier-League-agree-16m-transfer-fee-Spain-international-s-club-Sevilla.html)

£14M our valuation compared to their's of £20M, and we meet on our side of the middle at £16M. Fair play to Ayre on this one but £16M is still a lot.

Maybe we should have gone for his potential replacement, Jefferson Nascimento, instead.  ;D

Jefferson Nascimento  2 goals and 6 assists in 26 games for Sporting Lisbon, valued at around £4M, and Rodgers gets his Brazilian full back.

Alberto Moreno 3 goals, 0 assists in 29 games.

The Brazilian it is then.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 12:22:56 PM
Alberto Moreno ready to push through Liverpool move by accepting reduced wages

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/495823/Alberto-Moreno-ready-to-push-through-Liverpool-move-by-accepting-reduced-wages (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/495823/Alberto-Moreno-ready-to-push-through-Liverpool-move-by-accepting-reduced-wages)

If true, then what a refreshing change. I'd imagine even a 'reduced' salary would still see him increase his income over what he's receiving at the moment.

He needs to have a word with Pepe. Apparently he's  still expecting any new club to match his Liverpool salary, which is why he wants us to terminate his contract, so any new club won't have a transfer fee to find and can therefore give him it in wages instead. That's fine for him as he'll still get paid over the next two years anyway by his new club, but we have to forego a fee.
Either he drops his wage demands of any new club, or he could buy himself out of his contract if he's that desperate to leave and still place himself in a position where his new club can afford his wage demands.

It's ridiculous the salaries PL players get when compared to equal or better players in all the other leagues. Clubs have made a rod for their own back and should tell the player's agent to "do one", when he comes in demanding a much higher salary than his 'client' could get in Serie A, La Liga, the Bundesliga and other leagues throughout Europe.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 05:30:39 PM
Liverpool preparing opening offer for £16m-rated Inter star Mauro Icardi

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392834/Liverpool-preparing-opening-offer-for-16m-rated-Inter-star-Mauro-Icardi (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392834/Liverpool-preparing-opening-offer-for-16m-rated-Inter-star-Mauro-Icardi)

Icardi 20113/14: 22 games 9 goals 2 assists

Borini 2011/12: 24 games 9 goals 0 assists


Borini mk2?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
With Pepe looking like he's off to Bayern for peanuts, I can't understand why we weren't interested in Forest's Karl Darlow. Instead he's gone to Newcastle, although he'll be loaned back for the season (maybe that's the reason) for a real bargain price (along with Jamaal Lascelles). It's not like he'll be an automatic number 1 with Kruhl there, and there's little or difference in the challenge he'd face up against Mignolet than Kruhl.

He would be a huge upgrade on Jones, in fact I don't know why we didn't look to include Brad Jones in the deal.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 07:17:14 PM
Liverpool to sell £4m goalkeeper Pepe Reina to Bayern Munich

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/495979/Liverpool-SELL-4m-goalkeeper-Pepe-Reina-to-Bayern-Munich (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/495979/Liverpool-SELL-4m-goalkeeper-Pepe-Reina-to-Bayern-Munich)

It's odd how certain top teams and managers (have) place(d) their faith in him, yet Rodgers doesn't see fit to do so.

Brad. Jones.  :'(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 07:24:13 PM
Liverpool target Javier Manquillo snapped ‘after undergoing medical’

http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/05/liverpool-target-javier-manquillo-snapped-after-undergoing-medical-4822480/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/05/liverpool-target-javier-manquillo-snapped-after-undergoing-medical-4822480/)

It just made laugh when I read the headline. Shows how tough our medicals must be if he 'snapped' after it.
It's a good job he didn't 'snap' before it.

Maybe Remy's problem was that we broke him during the medical, so having been 'snapped', he couldn't complete it.

 :D   :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 05, 2014, 09:44:49 PM
Trevor Francis' option has been all over everywhere today, and he is typical of everything that's been said about Suarez's "replacement".

" If they get the left-back Alberto Moreno then I think that’s going to cost close to £20 million and that will take the spending up to £110million and £10million of that was spent on Divock Origi who has gone back on loan to Lille,” said Francis.

“So forget the young Belgian player for the moment, there’s £100million spent and only £4million put aside for a striker, that being Lambert.

“I just think that somewhere along the line the balance is not right. He needed a £30 milion striker. Don’t ask me who because that’s not my job – that’s why he is in the job and why he has got scouts all over the world looking to try to bring somebody in.


At least he didn't do the normal thing of throwing out Cavani, Falcao or Benzema without considering whether they're suitable and fit in with the existing players and most importantly Sturridge.

He took and even easier way out - "Don’t ask me who because that’s not my job".

Very convenient. Anyone can say we need to replace Suarez, but no one has yet come up with a viable, available, affordable alternative. That's because there really isn't one, is there.

I think Rodgers has approached it the only way possible by trying to replace 'the effect' and 'the nature of his contribution', as well as leaving us not relying on the availability and form of one or two players to provide the majority of goals, and also making us hopefully harder to shut out, as there are more goal options within the team that the opposition would have to negate and other options off the bench.

As an ex manager himself, the likes of Francis know the score, know the difficulties of bringing the requisite player(s) in no matter the level of football you're playing and standard of player you need.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2014, 09:32:52 AM
It looks like Arsenal are sniffing around Agger to replace Vermaelen, but we need to take a leaf out of their very own book and refuse to sell to a domestic rival unless something over £25M is being offered, which it won't be, obviously.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2014, 10:03:50 PM
Sunderland target Fabio Borini set to announce Liverpool future TODAY

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392962/Sunderland-target-Fabio-Borini-set-to-announce-Liverpool-future-TODAY (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/392962/Sunderland-target-Fabio-Borini-set-to-announce-Liverpool-future-TODAY)


Still waiting to hear.


" Borini is keen on playing Champions League football with the Reds, and fancies his chances of more regular game time following the sale of star striker Luis Suarez. "

Just because we're in the CL it doesn't mean that Borini will get a chance to play CL football. He may experience the travelling and sample the atmosphere from the bench or even the stand, but there's no guarantee he'll have any more chance of playing CL football with us, than with Sunderland.

" The Merseysiders are keen on selling Borini, who has endured an injury-ravaged 24 months at the club since his £9m arrival in 2012. "

It makes you wonder whether Rodgers has actually talked to Borini and explained the situation. It certainly hasn't been spelled out and demonstrated to him like, for example, it had/has been to Pepe.
Then again, Pepe is part of the 'old guard' and not a Rodgers' signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2014, 10:51:45 PM
Conor Coady has sign permanently for Huddersfield Town for around £500K, or less than a month of Gerrard's salary. Hopefully we've got some add-ons inserted  on top, plus a cheap buy back clause and a sell-on clause.

Inserting a sell-on clause should be standard practice in all sales of players under 28. We've been on the receiving end (in a bad way, not us receiving payments) enough times, so it's about time we started to feel some benefit as well as the downside.

I also say a cheap buy back clause, because if he establishes himself in the Championship, there's always the chance of buying him back as a squad player, especially depending on Gerrard's and Lucas' situation come next Summer. Also we could always sell him on again making a larger amount than the £500K we've received from Huddersfield.

Arsenal did something similar with Carlos Vela (I'm not for a minute saying Coady will have the same effect at Huddersfield as Vela has had at Real Sociedad).
They retained a buy-back clause set at £3.5M and somehow retained a 50% rights on Vela. They 'sold' the buy back clause to Sociedad for £12M this Summer so that Vela is now 100% a Sociedad player. 

We need to start making further money on players we've sold through sell-on clauses. Even if it just raises enough to cover a sell-on fee we have to pay to another club when we sell a player, it's at least something.

Ivan Gazidis is far more 'creative' in his transfer dealings than Ayre (and maybe the owners) are, and as Gazidis is an American, so he's not grown up with 'football' and all it's ways, he still manages to punch above his weight with his transfer dealings.

So what's Ayre's excuse. There. isn't. one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2014, 11:00:08 PM
One of the things we should have done this Summer was to change goal keeping coach. I don't think it's any coincidence that Reina's form tailed off after Xavi Valero left, and that Mignolet is hardly as convincing as the reputation he built at Sunderland would suggest.

It's a shame that Xavi Valero is with Benitez at Napoli, but we need an upgrade on John Achterberg.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
Liverpool transfers: Tearful Daniel Agger has BEGGED boss Brendan Rodgers to sell him

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-tearful-daniel-agger-4002143 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-tearful-daniel-agger-4002143)

If Rodgers really does have to sell him, then make sure it's not to a domestic rival.

" As things stand, the player is not in Rodgers’ plans for the start of the new season. "

Yet Kolo Toure is. Why?

Just get someone in to deal with the defensive aspect of the team, as Rodgers seems neither capable or interested in it.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on August 07, 2014, 07:07:28 AM
Would throw the kitchen sink to get Marco Reus....

Marco Reus could join Liverpool or Manchester United for just £19.8million after details of his release clause were leaked.

The highly-rated Germany forward has Europe's top clubs circling after two successful years at Borussia Dortmund in the Bundesliga.

Liverpool are known admirers but it was widely believed that Reus would command a fee closer to £30m, pricing the Reds out of any move. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2717782/Marco-Reus-boost-Liverpool-Manchester-United-German-star-available-20m.html
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2014, 03:16:39 PM
Would throw the kitchen sink to get Marco Reus....

Marco Reus could join Liverpool or Manchester United for just £19.8million after details of his release clause were leaked.

The highly-rated Germany forward has Europe's top clubs circling after two successful years at Borussia Dortmund in the Bundesliga.

Liverpool are known admirers but it was widely believed that Reus would command a fee closer to £30m, pricing the Reds out of any move. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2717782/Marco-Reus-boost-Liverpool-Manchester-United-German-star-available-20m.html

If we couldn't afford the £30M then it would be incredibly disappointing, after the size of fees we've paid for Lallana and Markovic.

16 goals and 14 assists in the Bundesliga in 30 games and 5 goals and 5 assists in 9 CL games.

Even if we've only two strikers as such, with players like Reus he's as good as a striker with his return, and with the likes of Sterling, Markovic, Lallana and Coutinho all interchanging and the front 3/4 being so fluid and interchangeable during a move and the course of a game, we wouldn't be playing to ultimately create chances for a striker anyway.

I hope we haven't put all our eggs in one basket aiming for Remy to be the third striker, and flexible member of the front three/four, and now we're faced with settling for an out and out striker, who unlike Suarez/Sturridge, doesn't get involved in the build up or chance creation for others and therefore we're faced with a single attacking focal point, making it easier to defend against, and lessening Sturridge's potential overall effectiveness.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on August 07, 2014, 07:48:20 PM
Anyone see the fact that Barcelona agreed to get suarez before the world cup?
So methinks the bite was too prompt a move...yet again...
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2014, 09:44:53 PM
Anyone see the fact that Barcelona agreed to get suarez before the world cup?
So methinks the bite was too prompt a move...yet again...

It's what Óscar Tabárez was talking about. It was probably agreed last Summer that he would be allowed to leave if Barca showed interest, and the new contract was to set a fee in stone so there'd be no repeat of last Summer's can he leave/can't he leave for £40M + £1.

As his agent is Pepe Guardiola's brother Pere, you'd imagine he's hardly a stranger to the Nou Camp hierachy and they've been fed blow by blow since last Summer.

The 'apology' was accepted very quickly and readily by those at the Nou Camp. All went nicely to plan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2014, 02:12:21 PM
Sunderland's Fabio Borini deal has stalled as Italian hopes to save Liverpool career, admits Gus Poyet

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderlands-fabio-borini-deal-stalled-4023997#.U-TEjqNCx74 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderlands-fabio-borini-deal-stalled-4023997#.U-TEjqNCx74)

It must be something Rodgers has or hasn't said to him that makes him think he has any chance of "saving" his Liverpool career.

I wonder if Rodgers has been ambiguous in his dealings with him, as he certainly hasn't been treated like and had it spelt out for him "Reina style".

Pack all his stuff into black bags and have security give it him when he reports to Melwood next.  ;D

" He would prefer to play in a side more likely to push for honours in the Champions' League, but could yet find that Sunderland is his best option. "
If he's not going to get any playing time with us (if indeed that is the case), and as no other team appears to have inquired about him, then he won't be playing CL football and playing in a team 'pushing for Europe' anyway, and there's no guarantee that Sunderland, with a full season of Poyet, will be fighting relegation anyway.

Maybe he thinks the longer we go without getting another striker in then Rodgers will have 'no choice' but to utilise him. Ward and Jones shouldn't have been utilised ahead of Reina, but were on the US tour, or maybe being one his signings, Rodgers doesn't see fit to treat him in the same way as players that 'aren't his'.

If he refuses to go he'll put himself under huge pressure and had better somehow turn into a "1 in 2" striker, otherwise he could be risking the displeasure of the Anfield crowd.

Likewise Assaidi. Stoke have agreed a fee with us, though the amount differs depending where you read it, but it seems that Assaidi is holding out for an unreasonable level of salary.

Surely £20K/£30K a week is enough to keep the wolf from the door, the lights on and the cupboards reasonably well stocked.     
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 08, 2014, 05:44:52 PM
If we don't sign another forward then we need to keep Borini imo.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2014, 09:39:25 PM
If we don't sign another forward then we need to keep Borini imo.

Desperate times call for desperate.........etc etc

Edward, what's your money on re the Remy 'medical' failure. Owners overruling the manager?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 08, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
Owners didn't overrule Rodgers. If anything Rodgers overruled them!!! I jest  :D

It was joint decision between the board and Rodgers. If Rodgers really and truly wanted Remy  THAT much he'd have took the risk. But he didn't.

I don't know what the risk would have been so don't to ask me!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2014, 11:50:42 PM
Owners didn't overrule Rodgers. If anything Rodgers overruled them!!! I jest  :D

It was joint decision between the board and Rodgers. If Rodgers really and truly wanted Remy  THAT much he'd have took the risk. But he didn't.

I don't know what the risk would have been so don't to ask me!

FSG have history or renegotiating a contract when medical issues arise. Obviously Rodgers knew of Remy's heart condition, Ayre, I wouldn't put money on it and I somehow doubt the owners would initially.

It wouldn't surprise me if they tried, or wanted to at least, renegotiate the contract offer in some way - shorten it, offer a lower basic and load it up with bigger appearance bonuses etc.

There has to be a big difference between Remy's heart at 24 and at 32/33, or the effects it could have.

Either that or there's a nagging concern over his overall fitness or ability to avoid minor niggles becoming more serious. He missed 17 games last season for Newcastle, including the last one of the season against us, and he seems to pick up calf and ankle problems. He was out for the start of last season with Newcastle, all of August, then again March to April, allegedly with either a recurrence or re-injury of the August one and then the last game of the season.

My money would be on the owners' unease over his heart as Rodgers seemed to choose his words very carefully, but quite specifically as well: "We have made a decision, as a club, not to go ahead with the deal". The club have made no 'official' mention of failed medicals, but neither have they done anything to deny what's been reported. It's as though the media have given them a convenient reason to shelter behind.

The original reason for the delay was a hold up with paperwork, indeed, the owners had yet to sign off on the deal once his heart condition became known to them.
All the reports had him passing a medical, for example:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remys-protracted-liverpool-transfer-3916218#.U-VQI6NCx74 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remys-protracted-liverpool-transfer-3916218#.U-VQI6NCx74)

"Remy passed a medical in Boston on Wednesday and has agreed a four-year deal worth around £80,000-per-week.

http://talksport.com/football/remy-update-qpr-strikers-move-liverpool-delayed-claims-pearce-140724103531 (http://talksport.com/football/remy-update-qpr-strikers-move-liverpool-delayed-claims-pearce-140724103531)

Interview with Echo's James Pearce who was out in America with the team. Interestingly, it's quite guarded, almost skips the subject.

It's just a real shame it didn't happen, for whatever reason, at least from a footballing perspective.



 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2014, 12:16:17 PM
Today it's:

Liverpool clear to sign £24million Keita Balde Diao after opening Lazio transfer talks

http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/09/liverpool-clear-to-sign-24million-keita-balde-diao-after-opening-lazio-transfer-talks-4826716/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/09/liverpool-clear-to-sign-24million-keita-balde-diao-after-opening-lazio-transfer-talks-4826716/)

Young, overpriced, just how we like 'em.  ;D

Whilst yesterday, it was:

Liverpool clear to complete Ezequiel Lavezzi transfer as PSG force him out

http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/08/liverpool-clear-to-complete-ezequiel-lavezzi-transfer-as-psg-force-him-out-4826364/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/08/liverpool-clear-to-complete-ezequiel-lavezzi-transfer-as-psg-force-him-out-4826364/)

Older, overpriced, not to FSG's preferred model.

If we must go for someone like Lavezzi, then Eduardo Vargas of Napoli would be an equally impotent choice but for half the price.

Vargas - La Liga - 17 games 3 goals, 1 assist, UEFA Cup 8 matches, 2 goals, 3 assists.
Lavezzi - Ligue 1 - 32 games 9 goals, 3 assists, CL 10 matches, 2 goals, 4 assists

Just sign Marco Reus, and we'll have the choice of Sturridge, Lambert, "false 9" or pushing Sterling further forward. Better still, put Stevie up there, where his 'slips' and reduced mobility will be less of a problem.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
Trabzonspor agree terms with Liverpool defender Kolo Toure

http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=6301 (http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=6301)


So now we keep Agger, and he's given the same 'clean slate' opportunity that Skrtel had last season after his poor 2012/13.

Two right footers, two left footers, good blend of youth, experience and styles amongst our centre halves, and Ilori can go on loan to Dortmund for two seasons (hopefully that will be long enough for Rodgers to see through Skrtel) as part of the Reus deal, to replace Hummels.

Now we need a proper right back, a Glenn Johnson leaving party, a goalkeeper who can distribute, play as a sweeper, command his area and organise his defence, Remy and a pacemaker or Marco Reus (who we can tap up talk to tomorrow, like Wenger did to Sanchez at the World Cup allegedly, Didi Hamann better be at Anfield tomorrow), Alex Song if Lucas Leivas (read it out loud, it nearly works) and we should be ready to make an all out assault on the League Cup and further our record as the most successful team in that competition (the PL is for the Sky Sports generation, and the trophy is too ugly to be seen in our trophy cabinet) or if we're really lucky, the FA Cup, the most beautiful and historic of all trophies on offer to us next season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2014, 12:21:16 PM
Albion linked with Liverpool prospect

http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/11401076._/ (http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/albion/11401076._/)


Good move. Let's hope Sami can improve him defensively and prepare him to challenge for a first team squad place for next season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 11, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
Kolo is staying and Agger is going. Rodgers values Kolo's leadership in the dressing room and overall mentality. Unless Kolo is desperate to leave for first team football then he is staying.

I think the links to Diao and Lavezzi are tenious at best.

Oh and Eduardo Vargas would not and will not go for half the price of Lavezzi or Diao. If anything he'd be more expensive. But I like him as a player though. Can't comment on Diao haven't seen enough of him.

What do you think of Lucas Moura? I don't know anything but Tim Vickery said we were lining up a big name signing which he heard from one of his south american agents he knows and Lavezzi, Moura etc are players that could be available in that region.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 11, 2014, 10:50:05 PM
All the papers saying we are in talks with Eto'o!

I'd be down with that for a six months - a year.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2014, 10:56:21 PM
Kolo is staying and Agger is going. Rodgers values Kolo's leadership in the dressing room and overall mentality. Unless Kolo is desperate to leave for first team football then he is staying.

I think the links to Diao and Lavezzi are tenious at best.

Oh and Eduardo Vargas would not and will not go for half the price of Lavezzi or Diao. If anything he'd be more expensive. But I like him as a player though. Can't comment on Diao haven't seen enough of him.

What do you think of Lucas Moura? I don't know anything but Tim Vickery said we were lining up a big name signing which he heard from one of his south american agents he knows and Lavezzi, Moura etc are players that could be available in that region.

Kolo not off to Turkey then?

Hopefully you're right about Diao (shudders at that name) and Lavezzi, who seems like he may be signing a new contract, which seems strange when the media was telling us last week that PSG were desperate to offload.

Are PSG looking to offload Moura? With 3 years left on his contract he wouldn't be cheap. As a player I've never really been that impressed when I've seen him. He seems a touch inconsistent and I wonder how he'd fair in the PL. When I've seen him play his work rate hasn't always been what it could be and whilst his goal scoring record isn't great, he's got a decent assist record. I just don't think he'd be worth what we were expected to pay.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2014, 11:22:47 PM
Liverpool keen on Southampton, Arsenal and Man Utd target Marcos Rojo after Moreno snub

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/498229/Liverpool-keen-on-Southampton-Arsenal-and-Man-Utd-target-Marcos-Rojo-after-Moreno-snub (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/498229/Liverpool-keen-on-Southampton-Arsenal-and-Man-Utd-target-Marcos-Rojo-after-Moreno-snub)

Not sure about him. I wasn't as impressed with him during the World Cup as most people appear to have been.

His disciplinary record is poor and Sporting aren't always the easiest to deal with either.

For a position where we are chronically lacking, to be less than a week away from the PL season starting and to be without a new left back is rather disappointing.

Moreno, Bertrand, Davies? Rojo appears to be the only options we've considered.

I wonder if there's any chance of prising Clichy away from the Etihad for guaranteed 1st team football.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
Kolo Toure close to Liverpool exit as Trabzonspor target £1.5m deal for defender

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2722348/Kolo-Toure-close-Liverpool-exit-Trabzonspor-target-1-5m-deal-defender.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2722348/Kolo-Toure-close-Liverpool-exit-Trabzonspor-target-1-5m-deal-defender.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Apparently Coates has been offered to Sampdoria and Ilori looks to be heading to Bordeaux on loan for the season.

So will Agger still be allowed to leave if all three of those centre backs depart?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 11, 2014, 11:39:40 PM
Apparently Chelsea are looking at Remy with Dogbra picking up an injury in pre-season.

There's something not sitting quite right about the 'failed medical' as it doesn't seem to put other teams off looking at him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 12, 2014, 09:23:05 AM
All the papers saying we are in talks with Eto'o!

I'd be down with that for a six months - a year.

Sterling scored as many as him last season. He's a parody of himself, and I want us to have nothing to do with that mercenary. He can find someone else to be his pension plan.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 12, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
Sterling scored as many as him last season. He's a parody of himself, and I want us to have nothing to do with that mercenary. He can find someone else to be his pension plan.

Hi folks! Back after a long and unusually warm summer. Partly because I spent 3 weeks in Tanzania, partly because once in a while we get a 30 degrees plus summer up here in the north.

Anyroad, I couldn't agree more with you tes - signing Eto'o would be the antithesis of sending a signal of intent. I'd rather we relied on my fellow countryman Pettersson to come in.

It's all and well buildning a team that doesn't rely on any one player - but reality will catch up with Rodgers sooner or later and he'll be forced to realise the importance of having a top top player up front. Sturridge, IMHO, ain't ready to lead the team for another season or two. Additionally, his proness to injury is a major concern.

I don't know how you lot feel but regardless of some brilliant spells in the pre-season (and some not so brilliant) I have the feeling it's 2002/2010 all over again. Not optimistic at all about this season.

Fair enough we were always gonna have to go for quantity in this window but not making a serious effort to sign either of Falcao, Cavani, Lavezzi, Icardi or Jovetic (yes, you heard me right) is hard to take.

I hope I'll spend next summer eating humble pie from huge bowls, but if we don't get that marquee-signing in last season will prove a one off.

Rant over.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 12, 2014, 12:11:30 PM
Apparently Chelsea are looking at Remy with Dogbra picking up an injury in pre-season.

There's something not sitting quite right about the 'failed medical' as it doesn't seem to put other teams off looking at him.

Me and a mate of mine contemplated the possibility his test results came back positive for some kind of illegal drug. If that's the case I totally understand why we pulled the plug.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 12, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
Would Cavani and Falcao do better than Sturridge in the premier league? I doubt it.

Seriously I'm not taking the p**s. Cavani isn't a better finisher than Sturridge - although is overall game is a notch above - but he is older. Falcao is a better finisher but overall his game is way below Sturridge.

Plus both would be on £200,000 p/w plus for us and would cost above £35m in transfer fee alone. So basically as package deal of £60m plus for either of them.

I agree Martin we do need an additional forward but where we differ in thinking is that you think we need that another top, top player up front.

I think we need another top, top player that can player in one of the three main attacking role behind/besides the striker.

Someone with pace and dribbling ability imo that would complement the rest of the forward line.

I do think we need another striker though but I'd be thinking like Rodgers is thinking in this regard. WE MUST remember that Rodgers original plan was to play one up front with the mobility, speed etc of the 3 behind. But he was handed the cards dealt to him with Sturridge and Suarez and played both up front together - but usually his plans usually are around one main striker up front.

So yes someone in the ilk of Eto'o who can do a job for us for a year whilst we have another search for a striker to compete/back up Sturridge is what I see happening.

Whether we get that other player who I'd like to see come in to compete for the 3 behind/besides Sturridge is something that I don't know.

Players on the striker front I'd like to see us target in the winter or next summer though are Lacazette, Kruse, Destro, Kokorin, Roux, Rondon, Immobile, Seferovic and players of that ilk who would fit the Rodgers mould of young, hungry, motivated players that are on an upward curve and can come into our squad and integrate with the rest of the attack.

Not bloated, unmotivated, cash hungry players like Falcao, Cavani etc who'd be on £200,000 p/w plus and may not fit the system. No I am not a hypocrite and yes Eto'o would also fit into that category as well. Big difference is we will not pay £35m plus for him and offer him £200,000 p/w.

Plus remember we have Origi who is coming back next year so any plans have to include him in the long term.

I think as a squad and what we've added so far depth wise in certain areas we've done well. Once we get a left back - hopefully anyway  :D then our defence improves tremendously. Lovren looks a very good signing, Sakho has another year under his belt, Manquillo looks an exciting prospect. Concerns are obviously Johnson, Skrtel and Agger.

Can looks to have lots of energy and has good pressing skills. Gerrard with no england duty should have enough time to deal with injuries/tiredness. Lucas may or may not go but as cover for Gerrard/Can he is fine.

Lallana and Markovic are exciting signings. Sterling and Coutinho will keep on improving. Henderson and Allen will be the lynchpins for the midfield.

Sturridge can and will improve also. Lambert can be hopefully an effective signing. Borini back too so lets see how he does - if he stays.

So I am surprisingly quite optimistic but realistic at the same time  :D For me Chelsea have the best defence and best defensive mids so have that solidity to build around. Plus their attacking talent and Costa up front, for me they are the favourites.

However the top 6/7 teams will all compete hard for a top 4 place so it won't be easy to remain in the top 4 but we do have the quality to have another season challenging for the league and top 4.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2014, 01:57:14 AM
I hope I'll spend next summer eating humble pie from huge bowls, but if we don't get that marquee-signing in last season will prove a one off.

Rant over.

I don't think we need or want 'marque' signings. We need a unit and unity, players hungry for success, not cash. Sturridge may not seem like a glamour signing the likes of Cavani or Falcao, but his strike rate is superb and not only that, he links so well with Coutinho and Sterling and I think we'll see each individually contributing towards the three of them developing this season, both collectively and individually.

Welcome back, Martin. I don't see us necessarily challenging for the title as closely as we did last season, but to finish in the top four, preferably top three would again signify progress, and solidity and sustainability are the true measures of progress. To not implode and tumble out of the places for European football would be an improvement and progress on the previous times we've finished 2nd.

When you look at the other top teams there isn't a single one who has a player as valuable to them as Suarez was to us. Any time losing him would potentially, at least initially, take a step back, but the focus has been put on spreading the goals around and it's good not to rely on the fitness, form and availability on just one or two individuals. The pressure to score is now shared amongst more players, and it should make us harder to set up against as there isn't the same focus on one or two players that we had last season. Games like the Chelsea one should end up as a different proposition and that game showed how you can flounder when pinning your hopes on one or two players.

The other teams have been able to 'top up' their squads with just one or two strategic buys, where as it was hard enough to add depth whilst not diluting the quality because of the need for quantity, without replacing one of the very best players in the world. Suarez is unique almost in what he does and how he does it and contrast his team ethic and sheer work rate with Messi walking back after an attack breaks down and Ronaldo's not far behind Messi for his lack of team ethic either.

All of the signings, probably with the exception of Lambert, can have an argument made for them being a starting player and there aren't really any obvious squad players like Aspas, and to a lesser extent Toure, like last Summer.

The left back position is still a worry and even if we do get Moreno he's not an obvious solution from the off.

There isn't a single striker out there we could replace Suarez with, without potentially taking a lot away from Sturridge and potentially have to alter the way we play to a large degree.

Chelsea managed to come close last season without a regular supply of goals from any part of their attack, and whilst they've obviously added Costa they've lost Lampard and the return of The Drog will make things interesting. Arsenal have added quality, but a fit Ramsey will be the biggest difference maker.

It should be the most interesting and potentially competitive season since Division 1 morphed into the PL. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2014, 01:58:53 AM
We've given Kelly to Crystal Pulis for a mere £1.5M. Hopefully we inserted a 50% sell on clause for being so generous.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on August 13, 2014, 11:55:34 AM
We've given Kelly to Crystal Pulis for a mere £1.5M. Hopefully we inserted a 50% sell on clause for being so generous.

1.5 million is a disgrace for Kelly, but at least we got Moreno for 12 mil.

Brendan Rodgers made signing a left-back his priority earlier this summer and singled out the 22-year-old as his number one target.

Sevilla insisted that Moreno was going nowhere unless their 20 million euro asking price was met with manager Unai Emery insisting on Monday that he would play in the UEFA Super Cup against Real Madrid.

However, Liverpool chief executive Ian Ayre managed to thrash out a deal for Moreno in Cardiff before the game that Real won 2-0, and the player was withdrawn from the side.

The Spain international, who came through his home-town club’s youth system, is now set to undergo a medical at Anfield and discuss personal terms.

A statement on the Liverpool club website read: "Liverpool can confirm they have reached an agreement with Sevilla for the transfer of Spain international full-back Alberto Moreno.

"The Reds will proceed with the formalities of finalising the deal for the 22-year-old over the coming days and will make no further announcement until it is complete."

There were emotional scenes on Tuesday night in Cardiff after the Super Cup among the Sevilla players and staff who were hugging a tearful Moreno on the pitch.

Sevilla coach Emery insisted Moreno would leave with the club's blessing and said: "We didn't have any clear expectation (about the transfer being completed), but it was in our minds.

"This has been in the offing for a month and a half or two. We were aware of the need to take him out of the squad. And we were in England and close to the teams who are interested in Alberto. Maybe decisions are speeding up because we are getting towards the end of the transfer window (on August 31).

"We want to wish all the best to Alberto Moreno and we need to continue with our path. He's a player we can no longer count on."

Liverpool have agreed a £12million deal to sign long-term transfer target Sevilla defender Alberto Moreno.


http://www.football365.com/liverpool/9419167/Liverpool-Finally-Agree-A-Price-For-Alberto-Moreno
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2014, 07:08:52 PM
Some are saying Suso is part of the Moreno deal, whether on loan or permanently. I think Suso will go the way of Dani Pacheco, in that he was good for a certain age at a certain age, but then never really pushes on to be good enough to stay in and contribute to the first team squad.

It's hard to see where he'd get in the team and ahead of who, despite promising cameos.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
Sunderland boss Poyet confident of landing Liverpool striker Borini within 48 hours

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/394239/Sunderland-boss-Poyet-confident-of-landing-Liverpool-striker-Borini-within-48-hours (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/394239/Sunderland-boss-Poyet-confident-of-landing-Liverpool-striker-Borini-within-48-hours)

I'd rather Borini stayed if it avoided Eto'o, his ego, lack of interest and mercenary wage demands. Sorry Edward, but he guy just lives off his past reputation far too much for me liking.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2014, 07:15:44 PM
Everton set to pounce as Samuel Eto'o REJECTS Liverpool move

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/498937/Everton-set-to-pounce-as-Samuel-Eto-o-REJECTS-Liverpool-move (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/498937/Everton-set-to-pounce-as-Samuel-Eto-o-REJECTS-Liverpool-move)

Please make it happen. I may even find religion if it does.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2014, 07:20:29 PM
Liverpool looking to beat Man Utd to Alex Song after wrapping up Alberto Moreno move

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/498933/Liverpool-looking-to-beat-Man-Utd-to-Alex-Song-after-wrapping-up-Alberto-Moreno-move (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/498933/Liverpool-looking-to-beat-Man-Utd-to-Alex-Song-after-wrapping-up-Alberto-Moreno-move)

I'd be sorry to see Lucas head off to Napoli, but post injuries, maybe Serie A will be better for him, and Alex Song would be a great replacement.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2014, 12:50:43 PM
An alternative to Song could be Stéphane Mbia, who was on loan at Sevilla last season, so has European experience and is available for £0, a freebie, having been released by QPR at the end of his contract.

Despite being a defensive midfielder he scored 3 and had assists in 20 La Liga matches, plus 2 goals in 8 Europa league appearances.
Arsenal are supposedly looking to hook him.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
According to one paper:

Liverpool interested in signing former Manchester United striker Giuseppe Rossi despite Fiorentina's £28m release clause

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724817/Liverpool-interested-signing-former-Manchester-United-striker-Giuseppe-Rossi-despite-Fiorentina-s-28m-release-clause.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2724817/Liverpool-interested-signing-former-Manchester-United-striker-Giuseppe-Rossi-despite-Fiorentina-s-28m-release-clause.html)

However:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/499277/Ex-Man-Utd-forward-Rossi-will-NOT-replace-Suarez-at-Liverpool-agent

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/499277/Ex-Man-Utd-forward-Rossi-will-NOT-replace-Suarez-at-Liverpool-agent (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/499277/Ex-Man-Utd-forward-Rossi-will-NOT-replace-Suarez-at-Liverpool-agent)

" LIVERPOOL are not interested in signing Fiorentina forward Giuseppe Rossi this summer, according to his agent.

"There is nothing between Rossi and Liverpool,” Andrea Pastorello said
"

If you exclude being an ex-Manc and having an injury record that makes Degen look like an ever-present, then maybe there is nothing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2014, 02:00:02 PM
And the bad news keeps on coming:

Liverpool boost as Ezequiel Lavezzi REJECTS new PSG contract

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/499263/Liverpool-boost-as-Ezequiel-Lavezzi-REJECTS-new-PSG-contract (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/499263/Liverpool-boost-as-Ezequiel-Lavezzi-REJECTS-new-PSG-contract)

Either on loan with no loan fee and PSG doing what we do when we loan our players out abroad, paying 75% of his salary, or on a two year, pay as you score or assist based contract.

I'd rather try a cheeky bid for Javier Hernández Balcázar than either Rossi or Lavezzi.  :o
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2014, 02:27:03 PM
Looks like we dodged an exocet not going after Rojo:

Reported bid sparks Rojo row

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/reported-bid-sparks-rojo-row-30508547.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/reported-bid-sparks-rojo-row-30508547.html)

" A row has broken out between the representatives and part-owners of reported Manchester United target Marcos Rojo and his current club Sporting Lisbon.

It is reported that Doyen is entitled to a payment from Sporting worth 75 per cent of any declined offer for Rojo. In this instance that would equate to £12million.

Doyen holds strong rights over the player after paying 75 per cent of his transfer fee from Spartak Moscow in 2012.

Sporting, who are reported to be holding out for a figure closer to the player's £24million release clause, have also confirmed that Spartak are owed 20 per cent of any fee received for Rojo above £4million.
"


I imagine this is exactly why the PL won't allow third party ownership and it shows how complicated it becomes when trying to buy a player who is the subject of one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on August 14, 2014, 05:50:12 PM
Linked with Romero, the Argentinian keeper, who would provide serious competition for mignolet, and might even take over from him.

Liverpool keen on tying up loan deal for Argentina goalkeeper Sergio Romero

    The Reds are looking to take Sergio Romero to the club on loan
    Romero was impressive for Argentina during the World Cup in Brazil
    If a deal can be struck Romero would provide competition to the club's No 1 keeper Simon Mignolet

Liverpool are showing an interest in Sampdoria's Argentina goalkeeper Sergio Romero who could leave on loan.

Romero was Argentina's hero in the penalty shoot-out with Holland at the World Cup.

The 27-year-old was named on the three-man shortlist for FIFA's Golden Glove award for the tournament's best goalkeeper as a result, losing out to Germany's Manuel Neuer.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/ddJLp?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=liverpool
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2014, 12:32:24 PM
"Oh, I say, dear"


(http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/453488064.jpg?w=650&h=430&crop=1#038;h=678)


Apparently he is available for £21M-£25M and Atletico are pursuing the deal at that. Forget Lavezzi and the like, and all the other overpriced "reeks of desperation", barrel bottom scrapings we're being linked with.

Sturridge, Lambert, False 9, super flexible front 3. We have the options.

Either that or we need to swallow our pride, forget the potential embarrassment and headlines and go back in for Remy. Everyone else he's played for has had no problems, QPR are delighted to have him back and now Chelsea are being heavily linked. He's the most suitable and best suited to our system(s).

As it's becoming clear we knew Suarez was leaving this Summer, it was just for how much and to who, what was our Plan A to replace him? What was Plan B? Hope Plan A works? What was Plan C? Go to Plan B?

None of the recent links would just 'slot in'. It would need a change of system in order to accommodate any of them and a change to Sturridge's role being the biggest problem. The longer we leave it, the nearer the end of the transfer window, the more we will be forced to overpay.

Either go all out to get Reus, return for Remy or just shut the cheque book, sit back, cross your fingers and start planning for January.

The joys of our club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2014, 05:45:31 PM
With the news that Rihanna (who?) wants to buy us http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/you-what-rihanna-bizarre-liverpool-7600536 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/you-what-rihanna-bizarre-liverpool-7600536), it does indeed look like we're going for a song: http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/15/liverpool-are-hours-away-from-signing-ex-arsenal-star-alex-song-from-barcelona-4834328/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/15/liverpool-are-hours-away-from-signing-ex-arsenal-star-alex-song-from-barcelona-4834328/).

Now we just need a Remydy for the hangover created by our loveable Uruguayan madman's departure.

Oh, and a proper goalie.  ;D 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2014, 08:24:59 AM
Linked with Romero, the Argentinian keeper, who would provide serious competition for mignolet, and might even take over from him.

Liverpool keen on tying up loan deal for Argentina goalkeeper Sergio Romero

    The Reds are looking to take Sergio Romero to the club on loan
    Romero was impressive for Argentina during the World Cup in Brazil
    If a deal can be struck Romero would provide competition to the club's No 1 keeper Simon Mignolet

Liverpool are showing an interest in Sampdoria's Argentina goalkeeper Sergio Romero who could leave on loan.

Romero was Argentina's hero in the penalty shoot-out with Holland at the World Cup.

The 27-year-old was named on the three-man shortlist for FIFA's Golden Glove award for the tournament's best goalkeeper as a result, losing out to Germany's Manuel Neuer.

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/ddJLp?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=liverpool

It makes me wonder why Sampdoria aren't bothered about him, Monaco had him on loan last season but chose not to buy him. He looked OK in his cameos at the WC but a full season performing at the required level is something completely different. We should have been all over the Diego Lopez transfer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
Mattia Destro of Roma could be another option up front. 23, so fits the buying model seemingly being pursued, can play anywhere along the front line, mainly central, but is more than capable (for example compared to Bony) to playing in a more wide position.

13 goals and 2 assists in Serie A last season wasn't too shabby. 3 years left on his contract so wouldn't be Remy like cheap, but then who is this Summer (apart from Kelly).

Spurs are allegedly looking at him, and Roma are eyeing up a £20M bid for Jovetic. If that's the case and Jovetic is available then surely we should have our cap in that particular ring.

Manchester City transfers: Stevan Jovetic targeted by Roma for season-long loan with a view to buy

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-transfers-stevan-jovetic-4057220 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-transfers-stevan-jovetic-4057220)

Even on loan for a year would address an immediate issue.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2014, 06:40:00 PM
Cavani deal looking less likely (if that's actually possible):

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/zlatan-ibrahimovic-limps-out-psg-4060880? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/zlatan-ibrahimovic-limps-out-psg-4060880?)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 16, 2014, 06:46:26 PM
Moreno's finally been confirmed.

Now we just need one to score 'em and one to stop 'em.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 16, 2014, 08:40:49 PM
If we take Falcao on loan and he plays an instrumental role in securing no. 19, is it us or Monaco who wins the title. If we agree to a loan deal for him I'd be gutted. It would go against 122 years of tradition and history of this great club. Our representatives love to tell anyone willing to listen how great a club we are. Great clubs don't loan players. fornicating period!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 16, 2014, 10:39:36 PM
Mattia Destro of Roma could be another option up front. 23, so fits the buying model seemingly being pursued, can play anywhere along the front line, mainly central, but is more than capable (for example compared to Bony) to playing in a more wide position.

13 goals and 2 assists in Serie A last season wasn't too shabby. 3 years left on his contract so wouldn't be Remy like cheap, but then who is this Summer (apart from Kelly).

Spurs are allegedly looking at him, and Roma are eyeing up a £20M bid for Jovetic. If that's the case and Jovetic is available then surely we should have our cap in that particular ring.

Manchester City transfers: Stevan Jovetic targeted by Roma for season-long loan with a view to buy

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-transfers-stevan-jovetic-4057220 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-transfers-stevan-jovetic-4057220)

Even on loan for a year would address an immediate issue.

Actually, if there was one striker I could wish we sign, it would be Jovetic. I would take him over Falcao, Cavani, Lavezzi, Reus (is he a striker really?) or what have you any day. I don't think Citeh understand what they got their hands on. A fantastic player indeed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 09:41:18 AM
If we take Falcao on loan and he plays an instrumental role in securing no. 19, is it us or Monaco who wins the title.

 ;D  The trophy will be presented to, and rightly so, Mr Brendan Rodgers, for implementing the final piece in his philosophy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 09:46:24 AM
fornicating period!

Keep the faith, Martin!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLhD-h1LRQs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLhD-h1LRQs)  Stipe even dedicates the song to you.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 09:49:20 AM
A fantastic player indeed.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 09:59:08 AM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJN84lCtxT_R5Glwvac9cUs_n2W6rADtJOx0rjJ5FDiMRXuBrTptGMpYmq)


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/11/article-2556762-1B63CE5C00000578-319_634x704.jpg)


(http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Brendan_Rodgers_1982496a.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch90XUEqXRg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch90XUEqXRg)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 11:56:23 AM
Actually, if there was one striker I could wish we sign, it would be Jovetic. I would take him over Falcao, Cavani, Lavezzi, Reus (is he a striker really?) or what have you any day.

Disagree about Reus, but agree about the other 'names'. Cavani is definitely not the Napoli version of Cavani.

I think we can easily play with a fluid forward line rather than (a) striker(s) and (a) player(s) either side, with one of several players filling the central area at different times in the game, and if the goals are coming from 'traditional' midfield, or players starting out wider and playing from outside to in, it really doesn't matter. There are very few 'pure' strikers who a) fit the style and b) are actually good enough, and we need both qualities, not one or the other.

I'd actually prefer to throw Ibe and even Peterson in there rather than pay for a mercenary or a 'striker' just because they're a striker, and have even squarer pegs forced into round holes. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 12:40:35 PM
Radamel Falcao wants £200k-a-week to make SENSATIONAL loan move to Liverpool

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/500407/Radamel-Falcao-wants-200k-a-week-to-make-SENSATIONAL-loan-move-to-Liverpool

If true then he can rot in Monaco playing in front of 5 fans, the tea lady and a flock of seagulls.

Just go and get Remy. He won't break, his heart shouldn't pack in. Take the calculated risk.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 06:38:58 PM
I think we can easily play with a fluid forward line rather than (a) striker(s) and (a) player(s) either side, with one of several players filling the central area at different times in the game, and if the goals are coming from 'traditional' midfield, or players starting out wider and playing from outside to in, it really doesn't matter. There are very few 'pure' strikers who a) fit the style and b) are actually good enough, and we need both qualities, not one or the other.

If you watch the first goal today, as Hendo makes the pass from inside his own half, Sturridge had pulled out onto the right flank and Sterling had come inside down the middle from the left. Fluidity allows you to play with players in less fixed positions and makes it harder for opponents to mark or track. Today's first goal was an ideal example and how I'd hope we develop, unless Lambert's in the team. It would allow us, if we bought Reus for example, to still play the same way if Sturridge is out.
Pace, good movement and quick, accurate decisive passing to take advantage of such will see us create plenty. Though we still have to finish them. I'd always be more concerned with a team not creating than not always taking chances.

Remy would thrive in our system, as would Reus and Falcao. Bony? I have serious reservations about his suitability for the system, though not his ability to score goals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2014, 10:36:18 PM
Falcao needs to tell his management/representatives to STFU and think through his next move very, very carefully.

He's 29 in February. Real have brought in their key attacking player for this Summer in Rodriguez and Benzema has signed a new contract. Ronaldo, Bale, and Di Maria (is still there) see them well stocked for attackers and Ancelotti seems to have more say and sway with Perez than previous managers have enjoyed.

He may just have to face the fact that the Real ship has maybe sailed. They may not be prepared to pay £40M+ for a 29 year old next Summer.

He has to decide if the rest of his career is about football or money. Does he want to play in front of a Sunday league sized crowd until 2018 or does he want to regain some of the kudos he enjoyed with Porto and then Atletico or does he want to become a parody of his former self?

If he comes on loan he has to see the reward as a chance to put himself in the shop window on a stage that has a worldwide audience. It may well lead to a move to Real, depending on what happens with Ronaldo next Summer, how Benzema fairs and if Ancelotti continues to enjoy the clout he has at the moment.

I see no value to us in buying him for £40M+ and paying him £200K a week, but if he was to take a more reasonable salary, in line with the next tier below Gerrard, after all (unlike Suarez before his big pay increase) he's neither proven himself in the PL, or at Liverpool, or that his knee injury hasn't taken anything away from. That's another reason I don't see Real lashing out on him this Summer.

But would bringing in a Falcao like striker potentially do to Sturridge what playing with Suarez arguably did? This is why a goal scoring, chance creating attacker or a goalscoring midfielder in the mould of Firmino (again goals and chance creation) may yet be the way forward. Also, when you look at how Sterling is developing as an all round attacker rather than just a winger, he is showing the potential to play like a Suarez type scoring and creating striker. Again today, his finishing was composed for one so young and relatively inexperienced, as it was against City at home last season, and indeed this Summer in the States.

Maybe Falcao's the short term solution we need, as we're hopefully still developing all round as a team, and we learn to rely on the team to get the goals and keep them out, rather than any one or two individuals, and without the shadow cast by a main goalscorer, a greater spread of players will see it and feel comfortable in their role as a supplier of goals. Hendo and Coutinho are the two prime examples of this and if we have 6-8 players throughout the squad that feel that part of their game, contribution and responsibility to the team is to score we may indeed ultimately score more. Players won't feel quite the weight of expectation to pass to the 'main goalscorer' even though they themselves are in a better position to score or get off a shot, and neither will there be a player or two always 'expecting' to be passed to as a priority when they're in or around the area every time, and reacting in a certain way when that pass they think should come doesn't.
Also, we won't have one or two players being 'greedy' and taking on the shot when a pass to a teammate in a more clear position is the best course, because the onus is on them as 'the striker' to score and therefore they take 'every opportunity' and too many 'non opportunities' to try and score. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2014, 09:46:45 AM
Tottenham would have to pay out £11m to sign Loic Remy while 'top four' clubs can sign QPR striker for £8m

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10968341/Tottenham-would-have-to-pay-out-11m-to-sign-Loic-Remy-while-top-four-clubs-can-sign-QPR-striker-for-8m.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10968341/Tottenham-would-have-to-pay-out-11m-to-sign-Loic-Remy-while-top-four-clubs-can-sign-QPR-striker-for-8m.html)

If Spurs do sign him, meaning he's also passed a medical there, then surely questions have to be asked of how and why he 'failed his medical' with us. Would it hurt re-doing the medical in the normal hospital and environment we use, rather than in a 'medical facility' in Boston that is apparently primarily set up for baseball medicals?

The fee is a bargain and considering the dirth of suitable forward players and the cost of the select few who may be right, surely it makes sense to look again. Remy played for QPR on Saturday and came through unscathed.

Spurs must be confident in his medical condition to consider him, and yet we're looking at Falcao, unproven in the PL and who is coming off an injury, the gravity of which Remy has never suffered from, and there's a chance he'll (Falcao) prove to be not quite the player he was because his type of injury is proven to be a career changing one.

If there was someone as suitable as Remy then I wouldn't keep banging on about it, but it's not just about two or three strikers or whatever anyone thinks the required number is, but it's about making sure we get the best from Sturridge and reducing the chances of him keep picking up niggling injuries. Remy would allow us to strategically rest Sturridge, especially around international fixture chaos, and when we get into the swing of playing Saturday, midweek, Saturday on a regular basis.

What is interesting is that neither us or particularly QPR have come out to defend our situation, and in QPR's case, their 'asset'. Whilst Harry would prefer a player of Remy's calibre, he'd surely prefer a player who's 100% committed and doesn't harbour thoughts of wanting to be somewhere else competing in a competition they can't offer. Therefore, despite his desire to keep him, QPR wouldn't want clubs thinking Remy was 'damaged goods' as there's always a chance of a last minute sale, and maybe some of the clubs that could potentially be interested will have players that would suit QPR and Rednapp's requirements, and therefore QPR and Rednapp wouldn't want to miss out on any potential opportunity to strengthen their squad overall.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2014, 10:07:25 AM
We still keep being strongly linked with Lavezzi, but for the sort of valuations being quoted it makes no sense, especially when the supposed valuation of Reus isn't much more, and Reus would be far and away the better acquisition of the two.

I hope we don't panic last minute, as we have in the past (just last Summer Sakho and Ilori). I'd prefer not to buy anyone, especially if Borini decides to stay put, then I'd prefer to see if he can back his own beliefs in himself up, rather than spend just to boost numbers.

At least with Borini we know he'll be putting in the effort and if played centrally, he does at least have good movement and is a team player (quite similar to Dirk in many ways). With the better players we have now compared to his first season with us, his movement could create opportunities for others who do have the vision, understanding and all round capability of taking advantage. He may even score 1 or 2 himself, and at least with him he has the desire to prove himself, he's not just along for the ride, and he's a good pro, with a sound team and work ethic.

Borini, the new Igor Biscan type cult hero.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 18, 2014, 02:00:16 PM
If anything medicals in america are more stringent and detailed than in the UK as they pay their players whether is baseball, basketball or american football tens of millions a year so their medicals have to be of extreme precision and accuracy to fork out those salaries.

Either it is his heart condition or he's been taking/or has taken unprescribed drugs. But that is conjecture.

What is without a shadow of a doubt is that the Remy boat has sailed for us now.

Reus would cost much more than Lavezzi. I'm thinking around the £50m plus mark. Lavezzi would be a good 15-20m below that. Not that I want Lavezzi that much. In fact I'd rather pay 20m extra for Reus any day of the week.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2014, 09:10:16 PM
If anything medicals in america are more stringent and detailed than in the UK as they pay their players whether is baseball, basketball or american football tens of millions a year so their medicals have to be of extreme precision and accuracy to fork out those salaries.

Either it is his heart condition or he's been taking/or has taken unprescribed drugs. But that is conjecture.

What is without a shadow of a doubt is that the Remy boat has sailed for us now.

Reus would cost much more than Lavezzi. I'm thinking around the £50m plus mark. Lavezzi would be a good 15-20m below that. Not that I want Lavezzi that much. In fact I'd rather pay 20m extra for Reus any day of the week.

You'd imagine that medicals from sport to sport differ greatly to mirror the physical requirements. I'd certainly agree the facilities are likely to be better.

The heart thing is puzzling. Once discovered there will have been greater scrutiny and monitoring of it, so either the condition is benign as far as impact on his physical capability or one or more teams have been taking some very great risks and turning the blindest of eyes.

I agree that the decision appears as though there is no second chance and no re-visiting of it, but considering how teams, including us hop from one target to another and back again, it's just frustrating that it appears to be a totally closed subject to us whereas someone like Spurs could end up with a rather handy player.

I just don't see Lavezzi as a player that will add anything of note and certainly not at the fees being suggested and the wages likely to be demanded.

You wonder just how much we were banking on getting Sanchez as an integral blow cushioning part of the Suarez deal, because there hasn't really been an obvious Plan B. Borini can't have been it otherwise we wouldn't have agreed a fee with Sunderland because whilst £14M is good is it really that impossible to refuse considering the overall hyper inflated state of the domestic market due to the new TV revenue?

Cavani getting heavily linked again this evening. He's not the player he was at Napoli and I don't see how he fits in seamlessly as a first choice. His inclusion would have a detrimental affect on Sturridge's effectiveness so Cavani had better replace Suarez's goals and some of Sturridge's.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
Oh and Eduardo Vargas would not and will not go for half the price of Lavezzi or Diao. If anything he'd be more expensive.

Gus Poyet disagrees.  ;D

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/08/sunderland-identify-napoli-striker-as-borini-replacement/ (http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/08/sunderland-identify-napoli-striker-as-borini-replacement/)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderland-weigh-up-loan-move-4069136 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderland-weigh-up-loan-move-4069136)

We borrow Vargas, Napoli borrow Lucas or we reduce the fee to take into account the loaning of Vargas and we sign Song as Lucas' replacement and "Gerrard's legs" (Edward holds the copyright on this).

Also it leaves Sunderland needing to complete the Borini deal. All the pieces of the jigsaw falling into place instead of falling down behind the sofa unseen as is usual in our case.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2014, 10:14:31 PM
Liverpool defender Tiago Ilori completes season-long loan move to Bordeaux

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2728097/Liverpool-defender-Tiago-Ilori-completes-season-long-loan-Bordeaux.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2728097/Liverpool-defender-Tiago-Ilori-completes-season-long-loan-Bordeaux.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

It's a shame he couldn't go out on loan within the PL. For some reason, Southampton and Koeman spring to mind as a great option. To play under Koeman, who was a top defender and played for both Ajax (when they were good) and Barca, would have been great for his development.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 19, 2014, 05:26:40 PM
Having tried for Diego Costa last Summer, it makes me wonder why we didn't keep up our interest and make serious moves once Suarez signed that new contract half way through the season, as the writing was very much on the wall.

Did we really believe Luis would leave because if all these other signings were pre-planned anyway, we don't appear to have had any 'pre-planning' in place for a Suarez this Summer if our thrashing around is anything to go on.

As Suarez doesn't play as a 'traditional' striker I don't see why we are going for a more conventional penalty area player. Whilst Sturridge is also very flexible in the areas he plays and the positions he takes up, there's a huge difference between that and being pushed into wider or deeper positions because his 'partner' is playing the central role.

We need another forward player who is equally comfortable dropping short as well as pulling wide and playing the inside channels in addition to operating in front of goal. As we saw when Sturridge pulled out into wider positions Sterling filled the hole sometimes, so any addition needs to have the flexibility to create space for others, as well as take advantage of space created by others and be able to play off and around Sturridge as he would off the new addition.

Get Dirk back from Fenerbahçe for a season until Origi arrives. No mercenaries or divas on wages enough to wipe out 3rd world poverty, thank you. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
Reports - Liverpool make £17.5m Balotelli bid

http://talksport.com/football/reports-liverpool-make-ps175m-balotelli-bid-140820108878 (http://talksport.com/football/reports-liverpool-make-ps175m-balotelli-bid-140820108878)


Hopefully this is only journalistic bs.

If we're not going after Reus or Firmino, and we've decided Remy is about to fall apart then we'd be better off leaving it until January and see what's what then. Maybe Remy will still be in one piece and the club will feel by that time enough time has past not to lose face.

Also, maybe Borini will have made his mind up by then.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 20, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
£17.5m is a bargain for Balotelli which is why it is b.s. because he'd go for double that.

I'd love Balotelli here and more specifically what Brendan can do with him. His unpredictability and 'X' factor on the pitch would excite me.

Anyway for £17m we'd get our money back or 80% of it at least anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
£17.5m is a bargain for Balotelli which is why it is b.s. because he'd go for double that.

I'd love Balotelli here and more specifically what Brendan can do with him. His unpredictability and 'X' factor on the pitch would excite me.

Anyway for £17m we'd get our money back or 80% of it at least anyway.

He's not 'mad' in a Suarez type way he's a text book psychotic. He'd be described as a 'marquee' (I'm sure the word should actually be 'marque') signing which is a reason I don't see the manager going after him.

We need to be looking for another Torres or Suarez type player - showing huge promise but certainly not the finished article but with the potential to be top/world class. We are more suited to developing in an organic way than collecting big names like Green Shield stamps.

According to Milan there's no bid and they've had no contact with us.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
It's amazing how all media outlets and even some pundits can see the only solution to selling a player is to replace him with another exactly the same. The thinking is so limited and shallow that's it's not even laughable.

There's no understanding that we've added players to the squad capable of creating and scoring (why weren't we 'missing their goals' last season?) and there could easily be a knock on effect in Sturridge's goal return, likewise Sterling is showing every likelihood of easily passing his own total from last season.

Then there's the additional fact that the defence needs tightening from last season anyway, and if that's done and we cut out the 2+ goals conceded that we did far too many times , reducing it to single goals (we're not even talking clean sheets), then that changes the dynamic and the number of goals needed in any one game and across the season.

It's about replacing the effect and contribution to the 'overall' rather than an individual contribution to the sum with another individual contribution.

Modern 'journalism', money for less than nothing.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
Juventus foil Man Utd and Tottenham's efforts to sign Dutch international Memphis Depay

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501530/Juventus-foil-Man-Utd-and-Tottenham-s-efforts-to-sign-Dutch-international-Memphis-Depay (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501530/Juventus-foil-Man-Utd-and-Tottenham-s-efforts-to-sign-Dutch-international-Memphis-Depay)

£12M, hhmmmmm.

As Sturridge doesn't play as a traditional centre forward, but needs the freedom to play in those areas as he sees fit, ala his winning goal against Southampton, as opposed to the position he'd taken up when Sterling scored the opener.
As Sterling has proved more than capable of playing either side of the striker in the front line and also behind as a number 10, there's nothing to suggest he couldn't cover Sturridge if the need arose, as he's likely play wherever he can find space and be a danger, like Sturridge, and Depay plays from the left going both down the outside and cutting infield.

12 goals and 8 assists in 32 league games, 1 goal and 1 assist in 6 Europa league games, 1 goals and 1 assist in 4 CL qualifiers.
2 goals and an assist at the WC, and he's started this season with 4 goals and 1 assist in 2 league games, and 1 goal and 1 assist in 1 Europa league qualifier.

After all, Suarez hardly played as typical penalty box striker and it's the flexible nature of our frontline that works so well for us.

If the manager wants to change to a fixed attacking focal point upfront we have Ricky Lambert for that, and if Borini stays, he's more a traditional penalty box striker than a wide forward player or one who drops deep looking to get involved in the build up as well as being on the end of the move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 20, 2014, 05:46:15 PM
There is no up and coming Suarez. He's a one off like Cronaldo and Messi and Iniesta etc.

There are a couple of striker though who I think fit in your category of thinking Tes.

Lorenzo Insigne, Max Kruse, Mattia Destro, Manolo Gabbiadini, Alexandr Kokorin, Ciro Immobile and Alexandre Lacazette.

Obviously Immobile has only just moved to Dortmund so he is out of the equation.

I think Kruse, Kokorin and Lacazette will be the next best up and coming strikers imo. Insigne has been around at the top level more but he'll be too hard to prize away from Napoli. Gabbiadini I've seen a couple of times and he has a real exciting future but way off the others in that list in terms of development imo.

Kokorin is supposed to be Russia's poster boy for 2018.

Tes we have no need for Depay when we have Lallana, Markovic, Sterling, Coutinho, Borini and Ibe in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
Arsenal and Spurs battle it out for QPR's Loic Remy as Chelsea drop out of race

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501602/Arsenal-and-Spurs-battle-it-out-for-QPR-s-Loic-Remy-as-Chelsea-drop-out-of-race (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501602/Arsenal-and-Spurs-battle-it-out-for-QPR-s-Loic-Remy-as-Chelsea-drop-out-of-race)

Ok, I know it's the Express, hardly the paragon of reality and accuracy, but if there's an ounce of accuracy in their assertion that both Spurs and Arsenal are interested, then I really don't get what we did with the Remy deal.

We all know that representatives and agents working on behalf of clubs talk to representatives and agents of players finding out if there's interest from the player in joining a club, long, long before the remotely interested club get round to actually contacting the current club of said player. So that being said, Remy and his agents and representatives will have full and exact knowledge of every aspect of his 'failed medical' and that information won't be hard for other clubs to access that information through football's 'network'.

So why is it that clubs such as Arsenal or Spurs would 'take chances' that we deem to be too grave, especially considering the relatively low fee, the ability to shape a contract that could limit the club's obligatory basic financial commitment whilst allowing the player to earn something near his requirements as long as his health and fitness isn't an immovable obstruction to such?
Wenger's hardly known as a risk taker, in fact quite the opposite, and Levy's not known as a profligate individual famed for his recklessness with his club's resources.

So if there is still any hint of genuine interest it must be despite the information that's obviously out there regarding what exactly it was that supposedly 'spooked' us so much. 

I get the feeling there's more of a hint of club politics about our decision, rather than an immoveable and unresolvable medical argument, otherwise the likes of Levy and Wenger & Co would also be avoiding the idea of adding Remy to their respective squads.

The longer we go without an addition of the required fit, the more we get linked with square pegs and the nearer it gets to 1st September, the more I just get the sense of 'what if' and by May 2015, it will have evolved into a sense of 'if only'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 06:34:49 PM
Liverpool eyeing SECOND Serbian star after scouting Anderlecht ace Aleksandar Mitrovic

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/395462/Liverpool-eyeing-SECOND-Serbian-star-after-scouting-Anderlecht-ace-Aleksandar-Mitrovic (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/395462/Liverpool-eyeing-SECOND-Serbian-star-after-scouting-Anderlecht-ace-Aleksandar-Mitrovic)

Also from the same article: " Meanwhile, the Reds have denied they have launched a bid for AC Milan striker Mario Balotelli. Reports from Italy this morning indicated the club are on the verge of bidding £17.5m for the former Manchester City man, but the club have since clarified they are yet to lodge an offer. "
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
Liverpool eyeing SECOND Serbian star after scouting Anderlecht ace Aleksandar Mitrovic

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/395462/Liverpool-eyeing-SECOND-Serbian-star-after-scouting-Anderlecht-ace-Aleksandar-Mitrovic (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/395462/Liverpool-eyeing-SECOND-Serbian-star-after-scouting-Anderlecht-ace-Aleksandar-Mitrovic)

Also from the same article: " Meanwhile, the Reds have denied they have launched a bid for AC Milan striker Mario Balotelli. Reports from Italy this morning indicated the club are on the verge of bidding £17.5m for the former Manchester City man, but the club have since clarified they are yet to lodge an offer. "

2013/14 - 23 league games 13 goals, 4 assists
                9 league play off games 3 goals, 2 assists

This is the top league in Belguim, the Jupiler League.

2014/15 - 4 league games 3 goals, 1 assist.

Interesting.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
Juventus steal march on Man City, Liverpool or Man Utd with record bid for Radamel Falcao

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501583/Juventus-steal-march-on-Man-City-Liverpool-or-Man-Utd-with-record-bid-for-Radamel-Falcao (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501583/Juventus-steal-march-on-Man-City-Liverpool-or-Man-Utd-with-record-bid-for-Radamel-Falcao)

Whilst I'm not so fussed about us missing out, if City were to get him they would have to get rid of a foreign forward player (at least it's more likely to be a forward as they're rather well stocked there) in order to comply with quotas etc, so if that were to make Jovetic available then that's where we should have a very acute interest.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 08:48:33 PM
Juventus steal march on Man City, Liverpool or Man Utd with record bid for Radamel Falcao

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501583/Juventus-steal-march-on-Man-City-Liverpool-or-Man-Utd-with-record-bid-for-Radamel-Falcao (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501583/Juventus-steal-march-on-Man-City-Liverpool-or-Man-Utd-with-record-bid-for-Radamel-Falcao)

Whilst I'm not so fussed about us missing out, if City were to get him they would have to get rid of a foreign forward player (at least it's more likely to be a forward as they're rather well stocked there) in order to comply with quotas etc, so if that were to make Jovetic available then that's where we should have a very acute interest.

Do the Express have a clue what's going on?


Liverpool to make ASTONISHING £12m loan bid for Man Utd and Juventus target Radamel Falcao

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501666/Liverpool-make-ASTONISHING-12m-loan-bid-for-Man-Utd-and-Juventus-target-Radamel-Falcao (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/501666/Liverpool-make-ASTONISHING-12m-loan-bid-for-Man-Utd-and-Juventus-target-Radamel-Falcao)

Loic Remy thinks there's a better solution.  ;D

I await their next story stating the Mancs have now moved ahead of us and Juve and fully expect to see him in a Real shirt once Di Maria's sold.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2014, 10:35:06 PM
Balotelli in training:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvyNs_9zKMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvyNs_9zKMU)

What a professional attitude. Not.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on August 21, 2014, 01:16:40 PM
Done deal?

Liverpool have opened talks with AC Milan over a move for striker Mario Balotelli, Sky sources understand.

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9432225/Sky-Sports-have-confirmed

Bring Alonso back as well and we'd be pretty much set up for the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 21, 2014, 02:08:49 PM
There is no up and coming Suarez. He's a one off like Cronaldo and Messi and Iniesta etc.

There are a couple of striker though who I think fit in your category of thinking Tes.

Lorenzo Insigne, Max Kruse, Mattia Destro, Manolo Gabbiadini, Alexandr Kokorin, Ciro Immobile and Alexandre Lacazette.

Obviously Immobile has only just moved to Dortmund so he is out of the equation.

I think Kruse, Kokorin and Lacazette will be the next best up and coming strikers imo. Insigne has been around at the top level more but he'll be too hard to prize away from Napoli. Gabbiadini I've seen a couple of times and he has a real exciting future but way off the others in that list in terms of development imo.

Kokorin is supposed to be Russia's poster boy for 2018.

Tes we have no need for Depay when we have Lallana, Markovic, Sterling, Coutinho, Borini and Ibe in the squad.

Ibe's probably off out loan to Bolton, and Borini we can't bank on being at the club.

I've not seen Gabbiadini (other than Marco  ;D) or Kokorin, but all the others are the sorts I'm thinking of, and neither Sturridge or Suarez, and therefore their partnership, are strikers in the more conventional sense and I'd term our's as more of a fluid forward line than a partnership or conventional 'strikeforce', which is where my thinking of more flexible attacking players comes from, rather than what you'd call 'wingers', more wide attackers or players that play from out to in, rather than simply going down the line and putting in a supply to 'strikers'.

By having a group of players that are all capable of providing goals and chances, we'd be able, hopefully, to fashion a forward line and attack that is interchangeable in both personnel and position of said players at any given moment, whilst each combination provides it's own small individual details and minor differences, the overall unit fits the styles and tactics Rodgers utilises without it causing any noticeable upheaval or required change in approach anywhere on the rest of the pitch, and for those tasked to essentially be the supply line to the attacking unit and who occasionally drop into and out of actually being a part of that unit themselves.

Without a very obvious main goal supply (though Sturridge gets quite close), we don't get caught relying on form, injuries, suspensions etc falling favourably for us, and goals, like defending, becomes a collective task, and it takes away the human flaw of relying on another you regard as more suited than yourself. And by having more players who have 'routinely' scored goals as a part of their 'game', we increase our chances of getting the goal(s) the individual match requires from us.  As long as we can keep the question as "who will", rather than "will we" score, then we should be OK.

That's the theory anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 21, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
SO SO HAPPY  ;D

Balotelli dirt cheap for £16m.  ;D

When you consider Ross McCormack went to Fulham for £11m and Shane Long to Southampton for £12m hahaha!!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 21, 2014, 05:49:59 PM
SO SO HAPPY  ;D

Balotelli dirt cheap for £16m.  ;D

When you consider Ross McCormack went to Fulham for £11m and Shane Long to Southampton for £12m hahaha!!!!

Sometimes there's a reason that something appears to be a bargain. If it seems too good to be, it probably is.

It could prove to be a very expensive end of the line for us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 21, 2014, 06:51:15 PM
Marcotti spot on.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/1995704/marcotti-signing-mario-balotelli-is-good-business-for-liverpool
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 21, 2014, 07:12:19 PM
He'll be on 90k p/w
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 21, 2014, 07:46:44 PM
I'm very very positive about this. Hell, I say this has the potential to be viewed as one of the best bits of business that was made by any team this summer. I don't give a crap about all this "he's so controversial" bandwagon the media likes to spin on. Nobody mentioned the story about his meeting with that little boy outside the training ground!

1) He's gonna bring that moment of unpredictability we lost in Suarez. That's priceless and may be the sole reason we reach top-4 again.

2) He's gonna relieve Sturridge and Sterling (our new SAS. Yeah right!) of pressure which can only be a good thing seeing as neither of the two are ready to carry it for at least another season.

3) Finally, I feel he's gonna relish the chance to prove he can be one of the best under the right manager. The fact he didn't click with Mancini shouldn't really be held against him, rather for him.

We now have a potential front 3 made up of Sterling, Sturridge and Balotelli. Few, if any team can match that. If we can just get our central midfield to work properly we should be fine both offensively and defensively.

Well made up by these news!!!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2014, 11:49:32 AM
Pretty much sums it for me:

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-liverpool-star-admits-fears-over-balotelli-deal-140822109323 (http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-liverpool-star-admits-fears-over-balotelli-deal-140822109323)

And now I'm off to sit in a corner and sob. Agreeing with Emile is not good for the soul.  :D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2014, 01:14:05 PM
Napoli look to take advantage of Balotelli’s Liverpool move

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/08/napoli-look-to-take-advantage-of-balotellis-liverpool-move/ (http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/08/napoli-look-to-take-advantage-of-balotellis-liverpool-move/)

" It is thought the Partenopei will look for an initial loan deal with the option to buy for €10 million. "

If they think they're getting him for €10M, then the loan fee can be the balance up to £14M.

Italian cheapskates.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
Liverpool line up Samuel Eto'o on one-year deal... as Mario Balotelli back-up plan

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-line-up-samuel-etoo-4091917 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-line-up-samuel-etoo-4091917)

Bloodbath.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2014, 05:02:22 PM
Napoli agree Lucas Leiva terms

 Sportmediaset claim Napoli have agreed terms with Liverpool for Lucas Leiva on loan with option to buy.

According to the Italian sources, a deal has been struck with the Reds to reunite Lucas with his old Coach Rafa Benitez.

Napoli would pay €2m to have the Brazilian midfielder on loan for one season, plus an option to buy for a further €10m in July 2015.

It’s reported the Partenopei definitively moved in for Lucas after Marouane Fellaini suffered an injury, making the Manchester United man a less appetising prospect.

He’ll replaced Blerim Dzemaili, as the Swiss international is widely expected to join Milan this summer for €3m.


http://www.football-italia.net/54789/napoli-agree-lucas-leiva-terms (http://www.football-italia.net/54789/napoli-agree-lucas-leiva-terms)

I hope we insist that if they want use of our player then they are solely responsible for paying his wages. Additionally, though equally doubtful, any purchasing clause should be compulsory.

All the Italians want to do is borrow someone else's players for as long as it suits them, get that someone else to pay the wages for them and then hand them back when they've had enough with the valuation having been reduced.

So how much is this going to cost us in wages for them to have use of Lucas?

Slowly but surely Rodgers is ridding the squad of anyone with CL experience. Oh, except for Gerrard.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 23, 2014, 05:32:13 PM
Well most Italian teams are broke....

Anyway in terms of CL experience besides Gerrard and not counting Agger in case he is sold we have:- Johnson, Toure, Skrtel, Lovren, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sakho, Can have all played CL football.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on August 24, 2014, 07:16:00 PM
i noticed that too, Edward.

it looks like Italian football is broke.

their clubs are endlessly wanting to take players on loan....or offer 2 or 3 million (token prices).

something is wrong with Italian football right now.

not a bad thing mind - to see some sense in the game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
i noticed that too, Edward.

it looks like Italian football is broke.

their clubs are endlessly wanting to take players on loan....or offer 2 or 3 million (token prices).

something is wrong with Italian football right now.

not a bad thing mind - to see some sense in the game.

Will the PL learn lessons from Serie A?
Serie A in the 80s and 90s was what the PL is now and has been for the last few years. Eventually all bubbles burst.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2014, 04:16:16 PM
Sunderland are looking to take Coates on loan which would be a great idea. If he gets a full season in the PL, it should show whether he's got what we need or not. There'll be a vacancy at CB next season with Toure's contract running out and it's up to both Ilori and Coates to prove they can take that spot.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
QPR close to signing Liverpool defender Jack Robinson to solve the club's left-back problem

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/qpr-close-signing-liverpool-defender-4104698 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/qpr-close-signing-liverpool-defender-4104698)

So that's a grand total of £2.5M for Kelly and Robinson. I hope we've got sell on clauses of at least 25% in both deals seeing  as we are giving away our players.

Why is it the Mancs and Chelsea can get multi millions selling players even their own fans have never heard of?

Transfer failure 101.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2014, 08:00:31 PM
From:

SNAPPED: The FIRST pictures of Mario Balotelli wearing his Liverpool kit

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/396243/SNAPPED-The-FIRST-pictures-of-Mario-Balotelli-wearing-his-Liverpool-kit (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/396243/SNAPPED-The-FIRST-pictures-of-Mario-Balotelli-wearing-his-Liverpool-kit)

" Balotelli, who wore odd boots in his first session on Merseyside, is on the brink of completing a £16m move from AC Milan. "

(http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/89000/139089.jpg)


I guess the "journalist" Jack Wilson wasn't paying very close attention during the entire World Cup finals or hasn't yet received his complimentary copy of Puma's latest football boot catalogue.


Buffon even has the (non) matching gloves:


(http://static.ibnlive.in.com/ibnlive/pix/sitepix/06_2014/buffon-getty1406-603.jpg)


It's a good job the pink isn't on his left side (foot) as they'd be a whole host of homo(phobic) jokes in there.  ;D  (Balotelli's already having a bad influence (on me)).

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
From:

Torres wants permanent move, Van Ginkel to Milan on loan?

http://www.rossoneriblog.com/2014/08/25/torres-wants-permanent-move-van-ginkel-to-milan-on-loan/ (http://www.rossoneriblog.com/2014/08/25/torres-wants-permanent-move-van-ginkel-to-milan-on-loan/)

" According to the evening reports coming from the Milan Channel, Chelsea’s Fernando Torres and Liverpool’s Fabio Borini are now the likeliest to arrive.

Borini is another striker that is out of favour at his club and with Balotelli coming to Liverpool, Borini could get out and the former Roma man, 23, seems to be something Milan are seriously considering.
"

We could have given them Borini and €2,512,817.02 for Ballotelli.  8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2014, 09:43:59 PM
Is there enough time to get that defensive midfield linch-pinch that Gerrard never was or will ever be?

All we'll hear tomorrow are the words Spurs and Suarez.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 26, 2014, 04:48:55 PM
With Alex Song available, and loan is an option Barca have put on the table, it would be a good idea to move on that. Rodgers wouldn't feel he has to use Gerrard rather than trust to the inexperience of Can. He would be free to use Can as he sees fit so he's not shoved in at the deep end, and as Song would only be here for the season, he wouldn't limit Can's experience gaining in the medium and longer term.

It is becoming more and more clear that the sands of time are running out very quickly for Gerrard to be a contributing member of the first 11 on any sort of regular basis. I'd hate to see either Rodgers leave him in there too long or Gerrard to cling on, whether consciously or subconsciously and become a parody and a near invisible shadow of his former self.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 26, 2014, 05:11:52 PM
Daniel Agger Reveals Extent of Liverpool Frustrations Ahead of Possible Exit Before Deadline Day

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/daniel-agger-reveals-extent-liverpool-frustrations-ahead-possible-exit-before-deadline-day-1462681 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/daniel-agger-reveals-extent-liverpool-frustrations-ahead-possible-exit-before-deadline-day-1462681)

" Agger admits  his persistent troubles for fitness are responsible for his role in the first team being consistently undermined. However, he has expressed his concern with the manner in which he was so quickly dropped by Rodgers, despite having had a key role to play before a fresh fitness concerns struck.

Speaking to Danish outlet Jyllands Posten, Agger said: "I had many minor injuries in the completely wrong times and I must realise that it is very difficult to change the team when it wins. I am not frustrated about that. I am because of the way it happened and how it was handled.

"We had, for example, won six or seven times in a row with me in the team, and then I was away from training for two days leading up to a match against West Ham because I had knee problems.

"Therefore, I didn't play in the match and so then I was out of the team."
"

On the one hand he appears to understand the situation and then he makes himself look rather unreasonable and selfish.

He plays and we win six or seven games. That's fine. He was fit for them and in the lead up to them. Hence he played. Then however if he suffers a knee problem in the lead up to the West Ham game, he sees no problem missing it, and he has to understand that the manager can't take a risk if there is an alternative, so then whilst admitting "I must realise that it is very difficult to change the team when it wins", he still refuses to accept that because he missed out on a game through injury and his replacement obviously did OK, it is his turn to miss out as the winning team is not changed, just as the winning team in the six or seven games he refers to wasn't changed, only this time the lack of change benefited him, there was also a lack of change after the West Ham game which meant he didn't get back in. The manager has been consistent in his actions, but Agger can't expect the team to remain the same if it wins with him in it, but then be changed to re-accommodate him if it wins without him, especially if he's not available to play because of injury.   

He needs to grow up, quit talking to the Danish papers and understand that if the winning team is kept the same with him in it, why should a winning team be changed just because he wasn't in it. Injuries are unfortunate for him, but they are equally as disruptive for the manager.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 26, 2014, 05:57:44 PM
Liverpool striker Fabio Borini set for AC Milan despite Sunderland interest, according to reports in Italy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2734901/Liverpool-striker-Fabio-Borini-set-AC-Milan-according-reports-Italy.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2734901/Liverpool-striker-Fabio-Borini-set-AC-Milan-according-reports-Italy.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

As he and they want a loan, which means we lose out on £14M from Sunderland, then it needs to be done on the condition that AC Milan pay all his wages and he accepts whatever they can afford to pay him without us subsidising a penny, seeing as this deal will already be costing us £14M and Borini will have a year less on his contract meaning his valuation drops also.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2014, 12:00:56 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Manchester United weigh up SHOCK £20m move for Liverpool midfielder Joe Allen

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/396446/EXCLUSIVE-Manchester-United-weigh-up-SHOCK-20m-move-for-Liverpool-midfielder-Joe-Allen (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/396446/EXCLUSIVE-Manchester-United-weigh-up-SHOCK-20m-move-for-Liverpool-midfielder-Joe-Allen)

Throw in Kagawa, Januzaj and De Gea and we'll think about it.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
Arbeloa wants Real exit

http://www.soccernews.com/arbeloa-wants-real-exit/153503/ (http://www.soccernews.com/arbeloa-wants-real-exit/153503/)

If it's possible we really should do everything we can to get him. He may be older than Johnson but he relies on nothing physical which will deteriorate with age. We wouldn't be forced to throw Flanno or Manquillo in to certain matches they'd probably be better off learning from the sidelines.
He's unlikely to stand in the way of the development of either, but he'd bring a solidity and level of experience (one that he'd actually utilise, until Johnson), CL experience, and would provide an older head, of which we are running low on numbers, especially if Agger and Lucas leave too.

Any player who can keep Messi in his pocket all game whilst playing out of position.................
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Apparently we've turned down a loan offer from Milan for Borini. I'd prefer we kept him as another option rather than let him go out on loan again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 27, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
Apparently we've turned down a loan offer from Milan for Borini. I'd prefer we kept him as another option rather than let him go out on loan again.

The million dollar question though is, why would he accept going out on loan again rather than being sold to Sunderland? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2014, 05:06:01 PM
The million dollar question though is, why would he accept going out on loan again rather than being sold to Sunderland? I don't get it.

I think the thing is that he either wants to stay and try to prove himself here, or if he is to leave, then he wants to go back to Italy, which is perfectly understandable. Sunderland he probably sees as another relegation fight and little to no chance of ever playing European football. He'll also have one eye on trying to get into the Italian squad again for the qualifiers and finals of Euro 2016.

Play him at right back, he'd not fail for a lack of effort.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2014, 05:11:14 PM
Kristoffer Peterson leaves Liverpool for FC Utrecht

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kristoffer-peterson-leaves-liverpool-fc-7680052 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kristoffer-peterson-leaves-liverpool-fc-7680052)

6 goals in 15 games for the U-21s last season. I hope we've inserted a healthy sell-on clause in there. Somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Martinmarx on August 28, 2014, 10:09:32 AM
I think the thing is that he either wants to stay and try to prove himself here, or if he is to leave, then he wants to go back to Italy, which is perfectly understandable. Sunderland he probably sees as another relegation fight and little to no chance of ever playing European football. He'll also have one eye on trying to get into the Italian squad again for the qualifiers and finals of Euro 2016.

Play him at right back, he'd not fail for a lack of effort.  ;D

That makes total sense. Can't see him make on the highest level though.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 28, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
Can't see him make on the highest level though.

Me neither, which is a shame. I like the guy, he seems a superb professional and has done so since arriving at a young age, and he gives 100% when called upon on.

We've not heard his opinions through the media, unlike Agger, which is now becoming tres tiresome.

Borini to fire us to a League Cup semi-final.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 28, 2014, 11:12:18 AM
We've given Kelly to Crystal Pulis for a mere £1.5M. Hopefully we inserted a 50% sell on clause for being so generous.

I really feel for the guy. Days after leaving we're down to one fit right back, a lad so young it makes Kelly seem like a veteran, the manager he signed for departs the day after he signs and to cap it all his new manager is Neil Wazzock.

By all accounts he's been excellent in his first two games for Palace.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 28, 2014, 11:14:22 AM
According to t'media we're still poised to sign Alex Song. We've been 'poised' for so long now Ayre must be suffering terribly with cramp.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 28, 2014, 02:26:37 PM
Liverpool handed £4.3m cut-price deal for Colombia starlet Eder Balanta

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/504207/Liverpool-handed-4-3m-cut-price-deal-for-Colombia-starlet-Eder-Balanta (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/504207/Liverpool-handed-4-3m-cut-price-deal-for-Colombia-starlet-Eder-Balanta)

As we already have three left sided centre halves, why would we want to replace Agger with another left sided centre half? Surely we need a right sided centre half to give the manager a real alternative to Skrtel.

If we're still buying, a true defensive midfield shield for the back four and proper competition/replacement for Mignolet have to be greater priorities than another centre back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 12:32:00 PM
Liverpool among clubs to make late bid for Reading goalkeeper Alex McCarthy

http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/liverpool-among-clubs-to-make-late-bid-for-reading-goalkeeper-alex-mccarthy/ (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/liverpool-among-clubs-to-make-late-bid-for-reading-goalkeeper-alex-mccarthy/)

So we're going to sign Reading's second choice goalkeeper to challenge Boro's former second choice goalkeeper to be the very definite second choice behind Mignolet?

We need someone to challenge Mignolet, not Jones. We need someone good enough to inspire the levels of performance from Mignolet that we need, and if not, replace Mignolet and produce those required levels himself.

Why does it just feel that anything related to the 'non-attacking' aspect of the game is given far less thought, standards are lower, less money proportionally is invested and it's almost like an irritation that has to be born than something addressed with interest, determination, foresight and farsightedness. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 29, 2014, 12:57:53 PM
Sorry but that is baloney.

You CANNOT have two No.1 GK's at your club.

Keepers are a different breed to outfield players. Both keepers have to be comfortable in their role(s) at the club. This is because more than any set of players at the club they work together the most in training, day in and day out.

The No.2 GK is such a difficult role at that you need a player that has the characteristics and attributes to fit in, provide good back up to the No.1, be able to work with him on a daily basis and to know and understand their role in the squad.

They also have to be reliable and dependable to come in if necessary and Jones has proven in big match situations (FA Cup semi against Everton) that he is more than capable of fulfilling this role.

You think Cech is going to stay at Chelsea? Chelsea made their decision in Courtois and will allow Cech to leave. They have Schwarzer then to back up Courtois.

Do Arsenal, City, Spurs, Man U have No.1's as back up? Do Barca or Real? Real had to sell Alves because they knew they couldn't have the same situation as last season with two No.1 GK's on their books. Bayern signed Reina as a No.2 because Reina ACCEPTED this unlike were he to remain here he wouldn't accept it.

Bascially what I am saying is that clubs have their No.1 and No.2 set in stone and have a No.2 that understands the nature of that role.

The No.2 should complement the No.1 at the club.

A friend of a friend is a goalkeeping coach at professional level (not in england) and when I ask him about having two No.1's instead of a No.1 and a No. 2 GK he told in detail why and I basically just wrote the jist of what he told me.

If you want to discuss Mignolet then that is another matter and certainly something I'd like to discuss however buying another No.1 - to compete and not replace him - will not work.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 02:53:51 PM
Sorry but that is baloney.

You CANNOT have two No.1 GK's at your club.

Keepers are a different breed to outfield players. Both keepers have to be comfortable in their role(s) at the club. This is because more than any set of players at the club they work together the most in training, day in and day out.

The No.2 GK is such a difficult role at that you need a player that has the characteristics and attributes to fit in, provide good back up to the No.1, be able to work with him on a daily basis and to know and understand their role in the squad.

They also have to be reliable and dependable to come in if necessary and Jones has proven in big match situations (FA Cup semi against Everton) that he is more than capable of fulfilling this role.

You think Cech is going to stay at Chelsea? Chelsea made their decision in Courtois and will allow Cech to leave. They have Schwarzer then to back up Courtois.

Do Arsenal, City, Spurs, Man U have No.1's as back up? Do Barca or Real? Real had to sell Alves because they knew they couldn't have the same situation as last season with two No.1 GK's on their books. Bayern signed Reina as a No.2 because Reina ACCEPTED this unlike were he to remain here he wouldn't accept it.

Bascially what I am saying is that clubs have their No.1 and No.2 set in stone and have a No.2 that understands the nature of that role.

The No.2 should complement the No.1 at the club.

A friend of a friend is a goalkeeping coach at professional level (not in england) and when I ask him about having two No.1's instead of a No.1 and a No. 2 GK he told in detail why and I basically just wrote the jist of what he told me.

If you want to discuss Mignolet then that is another matter and certainly something I'd like to discuss however buying another No.1 - to compete and not replace him - will not work.

Where's 2 x No1s come from? Look at the amount of clubs this Summer who have strengthened their goalkeeping department by improving on, shall we call it, the challenger for the No1 shirt.

So because goalkeepers train together there has to be a clear hierarchy, absolutely no threat from one on the other's position and they have to be bridge partners to boot.

Why can't their be real competition? It shouldn't hurt, if it does, then one of the keepers is at the wrong club.

Is Mignolet being pushed to perform? Hardly. Is that benefiting him or us? If it is, I'm not seeing it.

Yet again you oversimplify a point in order to offer the contrary viewpoint. You've no need to do it, mate. You can put together a perfectly good counter opinion without needing to oversimplify the original point you're arguing against.

You'd be happy with Jones coming in for a run of games? What about an extended period of injury? It happens. Straight red for upending someone for a penalty? 3 games. 9 points. Jones fills you with confidence?

Some of the examples you give are actually very good at illustrating my original concern. The gulf between Neuer and Reina isn't the same as between Mignolet and Jones, and the standards of the two in their respective hierarchical positions is higher than our pair.

Look at the new keeper at Real, alongside the existing one. Likewise Barca. Ditto Arsenal. All clubs that have purchased keepers this Summer. Add City to the list also.

We barely have 2 exactly equally matched players in any position, nevermind goalkeeper.

What's wrong with a goalkeeper having to maintain the required standard to keep his place? Why shouldn't he be looking over his shoulder. I accept your point about a number 2 understanding his role to a degree, but do you honestly think they have no desire to be no 1? That they're happy to be permanently below a glass ceiling irrespective of anything? If they were so accepting and meek they wouldn't have made it into the world of professional sport.

Apologies if I've distorted anything you said Edward, it was not my intention. As for your point about discussing whether Mignolet is the problem or the solution, it's a discussion that would be very interesting. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 03:03:12 PM
If you want to discuss Mignolet then that is another matter and certainly something I'd like to discuss however buying another No.1 - to compete and not replace him - will not work.

I think you'll probably already know what my feelings are regarding him.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 29, 2014, 05:07:05 PM
Yeah I know!

However I am willing to give him this season to show improvement from last season and to really cement his place in this team.

So yeah for me this season is huge for Mignolet. But I'll give him this season and I'll tell you why.

As a shot stopper their are not many better in the league than him as the opening game proved. During pre season and the opening games he has shown that he wants to improve by trying to go forward more and be the "sweeper keeper" so to speak. That plus he is still quite young for a keeper so he can get better.

So that is why I'd give him this season to really show he belongs here and can be what we need in a goalkeeper. If there are still errors like there has been last season then it will be time to look at new No.1.

I imagine Brendan feels the same way as there has been rumours of his displeasure with Mignolet but it seems he will give him this season. Which I think is fair enough.

I see there Robinson has gone to QPR and they've loaned him to Huddersfield. Good luck to him. Ibe on loan at Derby is a very wise move for all parties. Will Lucas now leave for Napoli with them not being in CL?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Yeah I know!

However I am willing to give him this season to show improvement from last season and to really cement his place in this team.

So yeah for me this season is huge for Mignolet. But I'll give him this season and I'll tell you why.

As a shot stopper their are not many better in the league than him as the opening game proved. During pre season and the opening games he has shown that he wants to improve by trying to go forward more and be the "sweeper keeper" so to speak. That plus he is still quite young for a keeper so he can get better.

So that is why I'd give him this season to really show he belongs here and can be what we need in a goalkeeper. If there are still errors like there has been last season then it will be time to look at new No.1.

I imagine Brendan feels the same way as there has been rumours of his displeasure with Mignolet but it seems he will give him this season. Which I think is fair enough.

I see there Robinson has gone to QPR and they've loaned him to Huddersfield. Good luck to him. Ibe on loan at Derby is a very wise move for all parties. Will Lucas now leave for Napoli with them not being in CL?

I'm glad Ibe's gone on loan and to a decent club. McClaren may not be the greatest manager but he's a good coach. Also it will keep Ibe out of the spotlight and let him develop the parts of his game that are still raw.

Robinson is an odd one. He doesn't appear to have pushed on since Dalglish gave him those appearances at the end of his caretaker stint. Maybe he'll only be good enough for a lower PL team or a higher Championship one. I'd like to see us develop a relationship with a PL that is secure within the league so we could send the next generation out on loan there. I think the likes of Kelly and Robinson have suffered by not getting tested at a higher level. Wisdom seems to be doing well at WBA, and it makes me wonder whether that's why Kelly was allowed to leave, and so cheaply as Rodgers sees Wisdom as the better bet long term. Certainly you wonder how Kelly will fair injury wise over the next two or three. Has he 'grown out' of the potential for problems or will he be another Agger.

I can see your thinking re Mignolet, I've just never been convinced by him. I'd certainly agree that this is a make or break season. It's hard to know exactly if the signings made last Summer and even this are all 100% who the manager would have chosen or not. For example whether his doubts about Mignolet (if the rumour has any basis) were strong enough to count as a 'no' or whether he wasn't just quite as convinced by Mignolet as maybe by another keeper who we know nothing about us considering.
I doubt he would have a player forced on him if he was totally against the signing but you wonder how much sway Dave Fallows and Barry Hunter have and how much credence Ayre places on his own ability to play 'Footie Manager'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 10:34:41 PM
Chelsea move for QPR's Loic Remy with medical scheduled for TOMORROW

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/504932/Chelsea-move-for-QPR-s-Loic-Remy-with-medical-scheduled-for-TOMORROW (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/504932/Chelsea-move-for-QPR-s-Loic-Remy-with-medical-scheduled-for-TOMORROW)

Either way, this should prove interesting. Though it's not like Ambramovich has to worry about trifles like insurance to cover someone of relatively low value like Remy, even with his wages which I imagine are pretty tame a the side of some of the swollen pack deals at Stamford Bridge.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 10:44:37 PM
From:

TRANSFER NEWS: Remy's Chelsea medical, Arsenal's shock swoop, Liverpool and Man Utd latest

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397081/TRANSFER-NEWS-Remy-s-Chelsea-medical-Arsenal-s-shock-swoop-Liverpool-and-Man-Utd-latest (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397081/TRANSFER-NEWS-Remy-s-Chelsea-medical-Arsenal-s-shock-swoop-Liverpool-and-Man-Utd-latest)

" Brendan Rodgers has revealed there are likely to be more departures from his squad before the transfer window closes on Monday, and also hinted there could be one or two more players coming to the club.

The Reds have been busy recruiting new players this summer to be ready for the return of Champions League football at Anfield.
"

Another right sided centre half, whether Agger leaves or not would certainly not go amiss and maybe Song or someone of that ilk, even if Song's on loan for the season . There's no automatic alternative to Skrtel, and although Lovren is right footed it would be a risk to move him, so we're well stocked with left sided centre backs with or without Agger.

Talking of which, do we see Sakho as a definitive Rodgers signing or maybe like Mignolet, it has "the committee's" fingerprints all over it? 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 11:30:46 PM
Agger looks set to complete shock cut-price move to former club Brondby

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-daniel-agger-looks-7692767 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-daniel-agger-looks-7692767)

" The Reds are also close to a settlement with Agger over the final two years of his £120,000 per week contract. "

We're clearing for the path to Brondby for him as it is by accepting buttons. He should forgo payoffs in recognition of the hit we're taking allowing him to get  the move his heart obviously desires.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
From:

AC Milan look at raiding Liverpool for Suso

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/29/ac-milan-look-at-raiding-liverpool-for-suso/157505/ (http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/08/29/ac-milan-look-at-raiding-liverpool-for-suso/157505/)

" Milan believe he may be available for a cut-price "

If the current trend of giving our players away this Summer continues, if they wait until Agger completes his move for a mere £3M, we'll actually be paying Milan a transfer fee to take our player off us.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on August 30, 2014, 12:14:40 AM
Seriously can't believe that Agger deal. Absolutely terrible.

However its been like this since the Moores era. We've always been crap at selling off unwanted players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on August 30, 2014, 02:45:52 PM
FFS....Agger to Brondby for 3 mil?????? That is purely and simply insane. If anything he could have played as the defensive midfielder that we're seriously lacking at the moment as well. Kelly going for 1.5 million was bad, this is far far worse.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
There's two polar conflicting emotions on this one. On the one hand we've enabled a long serving player, who for whatever reason is deemed surplus, to go back to his first club, which is a Hell of gesture and typical of the 'family' type club ex-players have always stated we were. However, football is now a huge business, and no other club is going to 'enable' in this way by giving us one of their players for peanuts. We have to maximise transfer income to help fund and offset the huge amounts we have to spend.

It's like Kelly and Robinson. Sell on clauses should have been absolute minimums (I'm not saying they weren't inserted into the sale contract), even buy backs. Both those players, under the right conditions (which there possibly aren't at Anfield at the moment), could go on to be very useful players, and we need to be benefiting from that in some way down the line.

Arsenal benefited from a sell on clause from Birmingham City when we bought Pennant from them. Likewise, look at the amount overall they've raked in from the Carlos Vela deal. It wouldn't surprise me if we've had to accept sell on clauses in any of the Markovic, Balotelli, Lallana, Moreno, Origi or Lovren deals.

It feels like a Leeds style fire sale. Are we really that desperate now that we're unable to get the £7M for Assaidi and possibly the £14M for Borini?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2014, 08:47:48 PM
Loic Remy’s transfer to Chelsea and the medical mystery at Liverpool

And as part of the transfer process Rémy underwent a stringent medical examination, with tests first taking place in New York City as he concluded a family holiday, and then Boston.

The Independent on Sunday  understands that Liverpool consulted several eminent cardiologists before pulling out of the deal.

That again raises a big question. During Rémy’s transfer from Nice to Marseille in 2010, Marseille announced that MRI scans had discovered “an anomaly” on the wall of his heart. Yet following consultations with a panel of five leading specialists in the field, Marseille, unlike Liverpool, went through with the transfer.

Given all that has happened, should Rémy pass his Chelsea medical – and the London club are clearly confident he will – the player’s account of the last two months at his first press conference will be fascinating.


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/loic-remys-transfer-to-chelsea-and-the-medical-mystery-at-liverpool-9701710.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/loic-remys-transfer-to-chelsea-and-the-medical-mystery-at-liverpool-9701710.html)


Jose Mourinho confident attacking target will join Chelsea despite medical concerns

"I have one fantastic doctor, we trust him completely and he has lots of people working with him in different areas.

"For sure they will try to identify clearly what the situation is but the information we have already from specialists in different areas is that he doesn't have a problem to play football."


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397207/Jose-Mourinho-confident-attacking-target-will-join-Chelsea-despite-medical-concerns (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397207/Jose-Mourinho-confident-attacking-target-will-join-Chelsea-despite-medical-concerns)

One day it will all come out. I hope we're not made to look like a club that would sell a player like Daniel Agger for a ridiculous fee like £3M. Ah, hang on a minute..............

He'll certainly earn a lot (a GTN spray in every room in his mansion) and have a great seat in the house (the subs' bench), but surely a footballer should be happier actually playing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2014, 09:55:49 PM
Loic Remy’s transfer to Chelsea and the medical mystery at Liverpool

And as part of the transfer process Rémy underwent a stringent medical examination, with tests first taking place in New York City as he concluded a family holiday, and then Boston.

The Independent on Sunday  understands that Liverpool consulted several eminent cardiologists before pulling out of the deal.

That again raises a big question. During Rémy’s transfer from Nice to Marseille in 2010, Marseille announced that MRI scans had discovered “an anomaly” on the wall of his heart. Yet following consultations with a panel of five leading specialists in the field, Marseille, unlike Liverpool, went through with the transfer.

Given all that has happened, should Rémy pass his Chelsea medical – and the London club are clearly confident he will – the player’s account of the last two months at his first press conference will be fascinating.


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/loic-remys-transfer-to-chelsea-and-the-medical-mystery-at-liverpool-9701710.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/loic-remys-transfer-to-chelsea-and-the-medical-mystery-at-liverpool-9701710.html)


Jose Mourinho confident attacking target will join Chelsea despite medical concerns

"I have one fantastic doctor, we trust him completely and he has lots of people working with him in different areas.

"For sure they will try to identify clearly what the situation is but the information we have already from specialists in different areas is that he doesn't have a problem to play football."


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397207/Jose-Mourinho-confident-attacking-target-will-join-Chelsea-despite-medical-concerns (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397207/Jose-Mourinho-confident-attacking-target-will-join-Chelsea-despite-medical-concerns)

One day it will all come out. I hope we're not made to look like a club that would sell a player like Daniel Agger for a ridiculous fee like £3M. Ah, hang on a minute..............

He'll certainly earn a lot (a GTN spray in every room in his mansion) and have a great seat in the house (the subs' bench), but surely a footballer should be happier actually playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVGkXBHBlco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVGkXBHBlco)    ;D

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
You CANNOT have two No.1 GK's at your club.

From: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-rumours-live-loic-4137974 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-rumours-live-loic-4137974) - scroll down to 10:12am

Sky Italia maybe claiming that Sergio Romero is on the verge of completing a move to Liverpool but The Sun on Sunday - they're not having any of that.

According to their reports, Brendan Rodgers is set to offer ex-Barcelona stopper Victor Valdes a route back into football.

The 32-year-old has been without a club since his release from the Nou Camp last season and saw his lucrative move to Monaco break down, due to the serious knee injury he suffered earlier in year.

Since Pepe Reina vacated Anfield, Simon Mignolet has been without a serious competitor for the number one jersey.


Brendan, don't do it!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2014, 01:55:24 PM
Gerrard expected Suarez departure

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9449983/gerrard-expected-suarez-departure (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9449983/gerrard-expected-suarez-departure)

It's a shame that after last Summer, it doesn't seem like that was a widely held view within the club, looking at our transfer planning/spending and going on Brendan Rodgers' explanation of it earlier in the Summer.

Why for example, after pushing hard for Diego Costa last Summer when the chance that Suarez could leave arose, and with Costa doing nothing during the season to suggest that would have been a mistake and a bullet dodged, were the lines of communication not kept open and ongoing, so that when the inevitable actually happened we were instantly primed to act and a 'solution', at least in part, was smoothly recruited?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2014, 09:48:01 PM
Just discovered a scouting video of Sergio Romero:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZynS7SMoCiY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZynS7SMoCiY)  ::)

And these are supposed to be the best of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf3ygjU2Vpo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf3ygjU2Vpo)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uy6Vo0TODE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uy6Vo0TODE)

I'm not sure why he's called "the wall". Maybe he goes down like a ton of bricks.

And finally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N17L4VPWSlM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N17L4VPWSlM)

I don't about anyone else, but I've always rated Brad Jones. At least I do now.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2014, 10:06:39 PM
Brad "Le Chat" Jones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxC67ssOwjc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxC67ssOwjc)

There's no wonder we lost the game with the standard of shooting and goalkeeping on view.

Makes me all weepy eyed about Roy all over again.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
This Victor Valdes snowball is a bit worrying. He's not yet recovered from the cruciate injury he got in March, and even his agent says he doesn't know when he'll be fit again.

I'd rather leave it until January and look again, and if someone takes a risk before then so be it. It's not like we'll have use of him until who knows when, so we'll still be relying on Brad Jones as back up anyway.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2014, 04:04:29 PM
Harry gets his facts wrong yet again:

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/qpr/redknapp_speaks_out_on_remy_s_failed_liverpool_medical_and_claims_arsenal_were_half_interested_1_3752036 (http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/qpr/redknapp_speaks_out_on_remy_s_failed_liverpool_medical_and_claims_arsenal_were_half_interested_1_3752036)

“If you don’t sign a player, I don’t think you should come out and say he has failed a medical.

“You could say you couldn’t agree terms and you all move on.

“The medical one, that can finish people’s careers in some cases.

“We’ve all done it, though. I’m not saying no other club has done it, but it’s something that should be changed.”



He obviously never read the statement the club put out through the manager:

"We have made a decision, as a club, not to go ahead with the deal," Rodgers said.

"It's unfortunate for the player. We are disappointed for the player. But these things happen.

"It's happened before and there's nothing more to be said and we will move on and look at other targets."



It was the media that stated it was a failed medical, this being typical from the Telegraph, Bascombe and all:

The Merseyside club are declining to comment on the reasons for the breakdown of the transfer, but it is understood that the decision was taken on medical grounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10993913/Loic-Remys-8-million-move-to-Liverpool-called-off-as-French-striker-fails-medical.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10993913/Loic-Remys-8-million-move-to-Liverpool-called-off-as-French-striker-fails-medical.html)

The Guardian was even more speculative:

Rémy was expected to complete his switch from Loftus Road during Liverpool’s pre-season tour of the United States, having undergone a medical in Boston early last week. Personal terms had been agreed with the France international and the deal had progressed so far that Liverpool had offered the striker the No7 shirt vacated by Luis Suárez.

On Friday the delay in confirming Rémy as Liverpool’s fifth summer signing was attributed to administrative issues but the club pulled out of the deal on Sunday. Liverpool declined to comment on the reasons for the deal’s collapse but their decision is understood to be final and the manager, Brendan Rodgers, will now consider alternative targets.


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/27/loic-remy-move-liverpool-queens-park-rangers (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/27/loic-remy-move-liverpool-queens-park-rangers)

Up to that point they'd seen the delay in the completion of the signing totally differently, as the Guardian above shows and the Mirror was typical, even their headline stating it:

Loic Remy's protracted Liverpool transfer delayed over paperwork problems

Loic Remy's move from QPR to Liverpool has been delayed due to problems with the paperwork.Remy passed a medical in Boston on Wednesday and has agreed a four-year deal worth around £80,000-per-week.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remys-protracted-liverpool-transfer-3916218 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/loic-remys-protracted-liverpool-transfer-3916218)

Remy To Liverpool Move Delayed Over Paperwork Problems
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/remy-liverpool-move-delayed-over-paperwork-problems-161856212.html (https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/remy-liverpool-move-delayed-over-paperwork-problems-161856212.html)


Loic Remy, up there with the identity of JFK's killer (though Harry will probably know) and the reason the dinosaurs died out, as one of life's great mysteries.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2014, 10:35:14 PM
Looks like we're not getting Romero, which I can't say I'm too sorry about.

Sampdoria are hardly a superpower in Italy anymore. They were glad to see him go to Monaco on loan last season, where he only managed 3 league games and 5 cup games, and despite him being Argentina's no 1, Sampdoria have been trying to give him away this Summer. He's only 27, granted there's just a year left on his contract, but considering he was first choice in Serie B for them and then first choice in their first season back in Serie A (2012/13), last season's snub was a pretty quick fall from favour.
Last season's first choice himself only has a one year left on his deal, so he hardly looks like the long term No 1 and they've just taken Emiliano Viviano on loan from Palermo, who at 28, has spent more of his career on loan than permanently at any club. So Sampdoria are hardly well stocked for keepers, or have anyone who looks remotely long term, yet they don't want the World Cup finalist's No 1.   

Van Gaal knows him from AZ Alkmaar.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2014, 10:38:24 PM
Assaidi's going back to Stoke on loan for the season. Why? Why not simply sign for them permanently earlier in the Summer? Back in the same boat again next Summer. The definition of pointless.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
It will be interesting to see how the manager reacts to Borini's failed move to QPR.

Taken from:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-falcao-man-4146147 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-falcao-man-4146147)

Rodgers has told his fringe players they will be frozen out if they turn moves down.

As he's still here and if needed I hope Rodgers does get all stubborn. If he's to play anytime then it needs to be centrally in his proper position and we may well get a goal out of yet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on September 02, 2014, 08:49:53 AM
all these failed departures, clearly suggests that unwanted players are refusing to budge from their big fat Liverpool contracts.

I always had the feeling that people like Borinii are happy to run down their contract - in order to get bigger wages when they do leave (i.e. little or nothing in a transfer fee for the club, and all the money going into a big fat wage).

I'd freeze people like that out.

If we cannot get a decent fee - then we can ruin a player's future wage demands, when he eventually leaves for another club (by not having him involved).   If a lad like Borini is effectively out of football for a year or more, then what club will give him 90,000 a week in the future.

Two can play the system.

Common sense and mutual respect will prevail, one always hopes.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2014, 04:58:59 PM
all these failed departures, clearly suggests that unwanted players are refusing to budge from their big fat Liverpool contracts.

I always had the feeling that people like Borinii are happy to run down their contract - in order to get bigger wages when they do leave (i.e. little or nothing in a transfer fee for the club, and all the money going into a big fat wage).

I'd freeze people like that out.

If we cannot get a decent fee - then we can ruin a player's future wage demands, when he eventually leaves for another club (by not having him involved).   If a lad like Borini is effectively out of football for a year or more, then what club will give him 90,000 a week in the future.

Two can play the system.

Common sense and mutual respect will prevail, one always hopes.

With Assaidi I'd agree with you Dude. He had a successful spell at Stoke, which is his level, and they clearly wanted him to continue to be a first team player. He's asked for a certain salary, I've no idea whether it's the same as what he gets here or more. A salary which the likes of Stoke simply can't pay, now he's still ended up there anyway, with us no doubt topping up what Stoke can pay him. His value will be less next Summer and he'll probably get his move to Stoke with them paying less an probably topping up what they offered him this year.

With Borini, there's been no indication that he priced himself out of a move to Sunderland, rather he just didn't want to go there. If one of the Italian clubs had come in for him as had been rumoured, then I'm pretty certain he would have 'gone home'. We chose to sign him and gave him the contract we did and he's entitled to hold us to it as we would hold him to it if it suited us.
I think Borini is a serious, professional who wants to prove himself with us, or at least fail having been given a fair crack. He left what was a very good situation for him, having just come off an excellent season with Roma, having signed permanently in the January, he scored 9 goals in 24 matches and was a regular first team player, and had made his debut for the Italian Senior National team.
Along comes a manager who he's already played for twice before, obviously showing great belief in him, backed up by the offer of a 5 year contract. He could have stayed at Roma and it was probably a mistake him not doing, but he strikes be as a very determined and grounded individual who wished to challenge himself. He had bad luck with injury in his first season and had to settle for playing out of position when he was given a first team chance. I think having had the manager pay a pretty large fee for him and then him have the luck with injuries he did, I think he went to Sunderland in order to and probably on the understanding that he could prove himself there and then make a go of his career here.

Obviously things change and move on in football, and he's a casualty of that, but I think he just wants an injury free season to try to prove himself to a manager who had previously shown a lot of faith and confidence in him in various ways (2nd time signing him, fee paid, 5 year deal etc). If he gets the chance and it doesn't work out I think he would then move on, but I think getting the chance is important to him, and he seems prepared to fight against the odds to try and get it. Whenever he's played he's never given less than a 100% and I'd rather have a team of the likes of him, Carra and Dirk, than one full of the likes of Glenn Johnson.

I don't think he is either good enough or the right sort of striker, but I'd have others out of the club before him, in terms of lack of application, effort, professionalism and happy to just go through the motions and collect their salaries.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on September 02, 2014, 06:02:06 PM
We've agreed terms with Valdes and will probably be signing him next month.

It will be telling when we submit our PL and CL squad list if there is one space open.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2014, 06:33:07 PM
We've agreed terms with Valdes and will probably be signing him next month.

It will be telling when we submit our PL and CL squad list if there is one space open.

The medical should prove interesting.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2014, 07:02:43 PM
Borini's agent gets things confused or is misinterpreted, depending on how you interpret it  ???:

Agent blasts QPR after Fabio Borini deal falls through

http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/qpr/agent_blasts_qpr_after_fabio_borini_deal_falls_through_1_3754955 (http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/qpr/agent_blasts_qpr_after_fabio_borini_deal_falls_through_1_3754955)


Liverpool's inflexibility over Fabio Borini's deadline day debacle SLAMMED by agent

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397706/Liverpool-s-inflexibility-over-Fabio-Borini-s-deadline-day-debacle-SLAMMED-by-agent (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397706/Liverpool-s-inflexibility-over-Fabio-Borini-s-deadline-day-debacle-SLAMMED-by-agent)


Appearing in both reports:

But his agent insisted that QPR did not appear to treat Borini as an important player.

“He is still under contract with Liverpool for another two years and the club decided not to listen to offers for Fabio to go out on loan this season.

"Liverpool did not allow it [a loan] and the final thing came from the situation with QPR who made an important offer to buy him right away.

"If we consider that he is an important player to merit an important offer, then the player should be treated as an important player.

"For me, the conditions for this to happen were lacking on both sides."



"Importantly", there are three sides, not two in this. Two of the three managed to come to an agreement. It was the third side who didn't manage the same feat.

I have to bow to Borini's agent as he should know better than me, but I could swear it was reported that he signed a five year deal when he signed (I remember thinking it was over the top at the time), and having just looked on Transfermarkt, who are normally pretty accurate, they have him down as being under contract until June 2017, which is five years from when he signed and three years (possibly minus a few weeks) remaining.

If he only has two years left you could understand us not loaning him out, as he'll only go for pennies next Summer with only a year left and at least this way we get use from him should we need it. I imagine he'll be off back to Italy in January if any of the clubs find some cash down their sofa's, and as neither Milan club, who have both been linked, are in the CL and only Inter are in the UEFA Cup, so Borini wouldn't be 'cup tied' unless Inter remain in the competition and we end up in it after Christmas. 

Maybe Borini's agent has filled his head with the idea that he's the next Roberto Bettega or Toto Schillaci:

“Fabio had a great season and he is back at Liverpool,” the player’s said to www.tuttomercatoweb.com. “He has proved he can play at a high level.

“Now Fabio will remain at Liverpool and try to convince the coach to give him playing time.

“I remember that he (Borini) was the first signing the Liverpool coach wanted when he (Rodgers) arrived at Liverpool.

“Fabio is in one of the most important clubs in the world and what will happen in the future we don’t know.”

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2014, 08:22:17 PM
Interestingly on the same day (or day after) as Rednapp was having a pop at us for 'supposedly' leaking the reason for Remi's failed deal, he's quite happy to reveal exactly how much Borini was allegedly asking for.

To quote him directly: "You could say you couldn’t agree terms and you all move on."

"We’ve all done it, though. I’m not saying no other club has done it, but it’s something that should be changed."

So until "it's changed", I guess he'll continue to do it.

I wonder what he (Borini) agreed to or asked for off Sunderland, as by Poyet's comments throughout the Summer, it didn't appear that they hadn't and/or couldn't agree terms with Borini, or maybe Poyet just has more class and is far more circumspect than "Mr Car Window".
The repair bills for burnt out electric window motors must cost 'Arry 'a packet'. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 03, 2014, 12:33:48 PM
Liverpool complete signing of Spanish under-17 international Madger Antonio from Villarreal

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-complete-signing-spanish-under-17-4156208 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-complete-signing-spanish-under-17-4156208)

Liverpool AGREE deal to sign Spain starlet dubbed 'the new Luis Figo'

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397841/Liverpool-AGREE-deal-to-sign-Spain-starlet-dubbed-the-new-Luis-Figo (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/397841/Liverpool-AGREE-deal-to-sign-Spain-starlet-dubbed-the-new-Luis-Figo)

So we've signed the new "Jimmy Carter" or "Mark Kennedy".   ;D



(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4156079.ece/alternates/s615/Madger.jpg)



His idols are Raheem Sterling and Jordan Ibe. He stated, "I look up to those two guys and try and model myself on them in every way."  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 03, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
Manchester United and Liverpool both missed out on summer transfer for Germany World Cup winner Christoph Kramer

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/03/manchester-united-and-liverpool-both-missed-out-on-summer-transfer-for-germany-world-cup-winner-christoph-kramer-4855342/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/03/manchester-united-and-liverpool-both-missed-out-on-summer-transfer-for-germany-world-cup-winner-christoph-kramer-4855342/)

It's good to see we at least attempted to sign a young, quality defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2014, 05:31:45 PM
With Borini, there's been no indication that he priced himself out of a move to Sunderland, rather he just didn't want to go there. If one of the Italian clubs had come in for him as had been rumoured, then I'm pretty certain he would have 'gone home'. We chose to sign him and gave him the contract we did and he's entitled to hold us to it as we would hold him to it if it suited us.

I think Borini is a serious, professional who wants to prove himself with us, or at least fail having been given a fair crack. He left what was a very good situation for him, having just come off an excellent season with Roma, having signed permanently in the January, he scored 9 goals in 24 matches and was a regular first team player, and had made his debut for the Italian Senior National team.

Along comes a manager who he's already played for twice before, obviously showing great belief in him, backed up by the offer of a 5 year contract. He could have stayed at Roma and it was probably a mistake him not doing, but he strikes be as a very determined and grounded individual who wished to challenge himself.

I dunno, Tes.

I think the lad has been very badly advised.

He will never IMHO be good enough to be a regular first team player for Liverpool.

He had the chance to go back to Sunderland.  It collapsed.  The Sunderland boss strangely claims that the move didn;t break down for the reason many are thinking (assuming, wage demands).

The move to QPR breaks down too.  According to the papers, it collapsed due to QPR not being willing to meet his demands of a £95,000-a-week contract, a severance package from Liverpool and an exit clause from QPR  allowing him to leave for less than 10 million (I assume this would have kicked in, should the club get relegated).

It looks to me that the lad is on a decent contract at Liverpool - and rather than take a good wage increase (20,000 more), and get regular football at another club - albeit a lesser one, he prefers to sit in the reserves at Liverpool.

He is doing himself no favours - and he is hurting Liverpool.

What he should have done - if this was how he felt - was to say that "Yes, I had the opportunity to move and get more money at other clubs.  But I worked all my life to get to a wonderful club like Liverpool.  And I want to try my utmost to make a success of my time at Anfield."

Instead, he had a Cantona moment, with the seagulls after his trawler, and shouted:  "Finally the madness is finished! I protected the MAN and the player that I am today, taking all the responsibility of the situation and for people who didn't want it...and I am VERY happy with myself to have taken such an important decision!"

He looks like he is at war with the world.  And rather than take advice, and help from a good advisor/agent, he has used google translate in a moment of high emotion.

Strange behaviour.  I think he is badly advised.  Heck, maybe he has had no advice at all.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on September 04, 2014, 06:06:34 PM
He clearly wants to be at a team not fighting relegation every year which seems acceptable to me. As he had interest in Italy from various clubs but only on a loan basis.

So taking that premise he'd be thinking quite rightly so that he has enough ability to compete - moreso - in a team higher up the table than the likes of QPR and Sunderland but lower than where we want to be.

I think he'll go on loan in January and leave permanently next summer. We'll get around £7m for him then I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
but I think, based on the performances that I have seen so far of Borini in England, that Sunderland, Villa, QPR, etc is his level.

Maybe the lad has to accept that at some point.

But I agree with you, re January.  I think he will get a loan back to Italy.  Which will ultimately mean Liverpool taking a loss on him (when he eventually is sold).

He has made a mistake.  He could have had a good career in England, albeit at a lower level (than the top four clubs), and on very good money. 



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 04, 2014, 10:17:18 PM
No idea how true it is but but I've seen a few comments from people who went to school with Erin O'Neill, his fiancee, and apparently she's just the sort to have refused to live in Sunderland permanently. I've no idea about London.

His agent certainly seems to have an inflated view of his client, or he's making excuses.

It certainly seems that he was offered more by both clubs than he's on now, so money wasn't the motivation.

It's a shame Swansea didn't get rid of Boney and come in for Borini. That would have been an interesting one.

He seems set on Inter. Being a model, maybe O'Neill fancies living in Milan to further her modelling career.

He'll end up back in Italy, I'm sure, with the club taking the hit. The club and manager got it wrong signing him in the first place, for the fee they did, then buying Aspas and loaning Borini out. It's been an expensive first transfer all round from the manager.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on September 04, 2014, 10:50:57 PM
No idea how true it is but but I've seen a few comments from people who went to school with Erin O'Neill, his fiancee, and apparently she's just the sort to have refused to live in Sunderland permanently. I've no idea about London.

His agent certainly seems to have an inflated view of his client, or he's making excuses.

It certainly seems that he was offered more by both clubs than he's on now, so money wasn't the motivation.

It's a shame Swansea didn't get rid of Boney and come in for Borini. That would have been an interesting one.

He seems set on Inter. Being a model, maybe O'Neill fancies living in Milan to further her modelling career.

He'll end up back in Italy, I'm sure, with the club taking the hit.

yes, he (and/or his agent) seems to have an inflated view of his skills level in the premiership.

maybe it is his girlfriend...but why go down to London to speak to QPR - surely he would have known beforehand, the whole package that was on offer.

I always get the vibe that we (the club) are always expected to take the hit.

As you and Edward say, I reckon he will be off to Italy on loan, in the January window.....with us taking the hit, when he leaves for good next summer.

I think he is placing all his eggs in one basket.  A poor run of form in the reserves.....an injury (and he is prone to them), will ruin his wage demands (and our transfer fee).

The lad needs to play football this season - not sit in the reserves.  Sunderland would have been a great move.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 05, 2014, 08:52:41 PM
yes, he (and/or his agent) seems to have an inflated view of his skills level in the premiership.

maybe it is his girlfriend...but why go down to London to speak to QPR - surely he would have known beforehand, the whole package that was on offer.

I always get the vibe that we (the club) are always expected to take the hit.

As you and Edward say, I reckon he will be off to Italy on loan, in the January window.....with us taking the hit, when he leaves for good next summer.

I think he is placing all his eggs in one basket.  A poor run of form in the reserves.....an injury (and he is prone to them), will ruin his wage demands (and our transfer fee).

The lad needs to play football this season - not sit in the reserves.  Sunderland would have been a great move.

Dude, you're right, the club always takes the hit. I find it hard to understand how someone can't be satisfied with £1M+ a year salary and be able to do their job (if you even call football a job). Apparently both QPR and Sunderland were offering more than he's on now. I can understand the reluctance over QPR, as even with such an experience PL manager as 'Arry, they've still got a huge job on their hands staying up. Sunderland are a level above. I don't know about it as a place to live but the cost of travel is a drop in the drop in the ocean to footballers and modelling is hardly a 9-5, home every night type of job, so there's got to be options not to have their 'main' home in the area. The fans absolutely took to him last season and it must be great to play in front of such passionate fans. Factor in the extra cash and it's hard to see his reasoning unless he'd made his mind up it was Italy or stay put, but it hardly helps his career or his chances of getting back in the Italian squad.

The only way the club can avoid taking a hit is not to buy the likes of Borini at an inflated price or the the likes of Aspas or the Assaidis of this world in the first place. That takes better scouting, but we've said for a long ass time that that's an area we need huge improvement in.

He could have put himself in the shop window at Sunderland. He could have insisted on a 3 year deal, rather than a four or five, which may have allowed him more chance to move back to Italy if he delivers the goods next season.
He's just in limbo now. Rodgers has shown that if he doesn't fancy the player there's not much else they can do, and his opportunities will be limited and he's now put himself under huge pressure to actually contribute a goal, an assist, win a penalty etc in every match he plays. Just working hard won't be enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 07, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
Loic Remy, still unsure why he is not a Red

http://www.lfcdaytrippers.com/2014/09/07/loic-remy-still-unsure-red/ (http://www.lfcdaytrippers.com/2014/09/07/loic-remy-still-unsure-red/)

From the article:

"I did not understand myself. A problem during the medical examination? I do not know. They put it, that must be it," he told the Daily Star.

"Liverpool instead signed Mario Balotelli who coincidentally was in America with his club AC Milan at the same time that Loic Remy was undergoing his medical with the Reds."

This gets stranger and stranger. I can understand Remy saying this if still at QPR. He would want to be 'diplomatic' and play a straight bat at the question so not to jeopardise the move to a bigger club he sort, but now he's at Chelsea, four year contract safely signed, there's no reason to anything other than truthful.

With him bang in form as he showed for France against Spain, and Sturridge getting injured, it would have been perfect timing for the Villa game, and probably easier for Balotelli, still very much getting used to everything, to have partnered Remy than whoever, if anyone, against Villa.

I find it strange that Remy wasn't under the impression there was a question mark over anything in his medical. Surely, at least you'd have thought, the club would keep him right up to date and informed on any such issues. If not him personally, then at least his agent/representative(s).

I think the medical issue was a convenient excuse the club allowed the media to come up with and were happy for them to do so, so they didn't have to reveal the real reasons behind pulling out. I still think it's most likely down to the owners getting cold feet over the heart issue. They have form for this sort of thing with the Redsox, and it's unlikely that they initially knew of it, as I somehow don't see them being the sort to follow "soccer" in general to that level of depth and interest.

Or was Remy not 'marquee enough' whereas the chance of Balotelli became more concrete at the same time so the decision was made to switch target, so the 'online' section of our fans, the ones that FSG are more likely to be acquainted with, could be 'appeased'. Or am I just being 'old and grumpy'? (Inserts little crooked man smilie). 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on September 07, 2014, 04:55:14 PM
Who cares that we didn't get Remy now though? Balotelli is by FAR superior to Remy in every way. So all in all whatever the reason I suspect you may well be right Tes, in the end we get the better player.

We wouldn't have signed both so no reason to theorise what a Balotelli-Remy partnership would have done with Sturridge injured.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 07, 2014, 06:38:32 PM
We wouldn't have signed both so no reason to theorise what a Balotelli-Remy partnership would have done with Sturridge injured.

What else I'm I to do whilst sat in my corner?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Edward224 on September 07, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
I can think of one or two things  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 08, 2014, 08:44:52 AM
I can think of one or two things  ;D

I'm really not going there.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on September 15, 2014, 11:59:36 AM
From:

Origi shows Liverpool what they’re missing with Lille masterclass

http://bwinbetting.com/leagues/premier-league/origi-shows-liverpool-theyre-missing-lille-masterclass,61145.html (http://bwinbetting.com/leagues/premier-league/origi-shows-liverpool-theyre-missing-lille-masterclass,61145.html)

" The 19-year-old went on to rub salt in Red wounds by scoring once and setting up another as Lille beat Nantes 2-0 to hit the top of the Ligue 1 standings after five games.

In total Origi has bagged two goals and one assist in four appearances for Les Dogues, and his all-action contribution against Nantes was a stark contrast to Balotelli’s lethargy against Villa.
"


It's good to see he's developing nicely, and we have his arrival to the club to look forward to next Summer  already.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on October 03, 2014, 12:53:13 AM
I'd love Balotelli here and more specifically what Brendan can do with him.

SO SO HAPPY  ;D

Balotelli dirt cheap for £16m.  ;D


Lovren, Markovic and Balotelli are terrible signings. Absolutely terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ) ??   ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on December 02, 2014, 08:49:09 PM
It's good to see he's developing nicely, and we have his arrival to the club to look forward to next Summer  already.

Don't worry Tes.  We'll put a stop to all that once Rodgers and his back room staff get a hold of him...haha
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on December 02, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
pmsl @ post 459.  Tes you naughty ol bugger you ;)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on December 11, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
pmsl @ post 459.  Tes you naughty ol bugger you ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Tes on April 25, 2015, 03:53:11 PM
Brendan Rodgers casts doubt on Daniel Sturridge’s future at Liverpool

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/24/brendan-rodgers-daniel-sturridge-liverpool (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/24/brendan-rodgers-daniel-sturridge-liverpool)

Whilst the body of the article doesn't exactly back up the headline (surprise, surprise), you get the jist.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on April 25, 2015, 06:11:17 PM
Brenda continues to dig himself deeper and deeper into a hole.  3 years on and he's still spouting stuff off in the media. Will he ever learn?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on April 25, 2015, 07:19:19 PM
just after spotting your post from last October, Tes......where you skewer Edward on his own changing qiuotes re Balotelli.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tes, you ruffian!! 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 27, 2015, 09:39:58 PM
Brenda continues to dig himself deeper and deeper into a hole.  3 years on and he's still spouting stuff off in the media. Will he ever learn?
And will YOU ever learn that the manager's name is Brendan? This place is more like a hangout for Manure fans with the abuse. Grow up!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: barticus on April 27, 2015, 10:08:35 PM
This place is more like a hangout for Manure fans with the abuse. Grow up!

Sadly, ASI, if this place was full of Manure fans I'm sure they'd be praising Rodgers to keep him doing his outstanding work.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 27, 2015, 10:27:13 PM
Bart, it's hard to see the difference with some posts. I don't particularly want him to stay but I have enough respect for him not to resort to childish comments such as posted by Gurdeep.

He's doing his best whatever you think of the results. If we win against Hull tomorrow night we'll be just 4 points behind the Mancs and how much did they spend last summer?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: the dude abides on April 28, 2015, 12:16:30 AM
the Liverpool way was always to focus on what we do, not what others do,

we've spent 215 million quid in three years (a barrow-load of that was spent last summer).

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on April 28, 2015, 06:00:46 AM
And will YOU ever learn that the manager's name is Brendan? This place is more like a hangout for Manure fans with the abuse. Grow up!

BrendanBrendanBrendanBrendanBrendanBrendaBrenda

 ;D

Look, if it really upsets you that much that I call him Brenda in posts I will stop.  It's just tongue n cheek ASI.  But there is a polite way of asking......
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on April 28, 2015, 09:11:56 AM
Look, if it really upsets you that much that I call him Brenda in posts I will stop.  It's just tongue n cheek ASI.  But there is a polite way of asking......

Should I really need to ask in a Liverpool FC forum? And how do I know it's tongue in cheek? Thank you for using his real name.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2014
Post by: Gurdeep on April 28, 2015, 09:38:43 AM
Should I really need to ask in a Liverpool FC Public forum?

 :o

And how do I know it's tongue in cheek?

Well you know now  :D

Thank you for using his real name.

 :-*