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Title: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 04, 2015, 06:41:34 PM
So...

The news that we've wanted - by some people for a long time and others for a short time.

However let us not abuse Brendan. Whatever you may think of him professionally and personally he tried to do his best for us. So I do plead to others on here not to abuse him in either way.

Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Martinmarx on October 04, 2015, 06:46:52 PM
So...

The news that we've wanted - by some people for a long time and others for a short time.

However let us not abuse Brendan. Whatever you may think of him professionally and personally he tried to do his best for us. So I do plead to others on here not to abuse him in either way.

Good on you Edward. Agree, no need for the namecalling. I'm just pleased our owners took early action to salvage what can be salvaged this season. Maybe that Swedish news article was spot on after all. Here's hoping.

Thanks for the best 4 months in over two decades Brendan. You're just not the finished article just yet.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Gurdeep on October 04, 2015, 06:50:33 PM
Welcome Ancelotti YNWA
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
So...

The news that we've wanted - by some people for a long time and others for a short time.

However let us not abuse Brendan. Whatever you may think of him professionally and personally he tried to do his best for us. So I do plead to others on here not to abuse him in either way.

oh goodness no.

I wouldn't dream of abusing, or dancing on his career grave, like some folk here (cough splutter cough) did with Rafa Benitez.

I imagine the massive (some have said 7 or 8 million quid) severance package will enable the Brentmaster to maintain his usual smile and cocky demeanour.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 08:39:22 PM
West Ham striker Andy Carroll commented on speculation that Rodgers will be sacked if the Reds lose the 225th Merseyside derby on Sunday.

Asked whether he thinks Liverpool would win the derby he commented: "It's a win win situation for Liverpool!!",  report the Liverpool Echo.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 08:42:44 PM
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With Brendan Rodgers, there was a lot going on,” Andy Carroll told The Times.

“What he was saying to me and what was actually happening [were different things]. He was telling me one thing to my face, then I’d leave the training ground and he would ring me and tell me a completely different thing.

“He would say: ‘You’re going to play every week, you’re going to play every game up front with [Luis] Suarez’. I’d leave and get home and he would ring me and say: ‘Fulham and West Ham want you and I think it’s best you should go.’

“I had just had a conversation with him ten minutes ago. So I would go back and see him and he would say the opposite again.

“It was the same thing round and round and round. On phone calls, it was: ‘I think you should go.’
“To my face it was: ‘You’ll start every week’. It was mixed messages. He was messing with my head. I lost respect for him, to be honest."
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
Jamie Carragher: Brendan Rodgers deserved sacking after turning Liverpool into Tottenham
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 08:45:18 PM
Graeme Souness is 'amazed' by the news of the dismissal....he admits he was surprised to see the Northern Irishman appointed in the first place.

"I'm stunned," the former Liverpool man said.

"They gave him a load of money in the summer and I find it amazing."

"But with all due respect I don’t see why they gave Brendan Rodgers the job in the first place.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 08:49:57 PM
Now it would be a great day if the owners also dismissed their chief scout, transfer committee, and that other fukcwit, yankee Mike Gordon.

I hope to feck, that FSG now belatedly realise that they themselves know feck all about 'soccer' and now bring in top people to run the club.

Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 04, 2015, 09:53:16 PM
reports in the last few minutes, saying that O'Driscoll and McAllister are also now gone.

If true, that suggests that our owners already have a new manager (and his coaching team) ready to step in.

Insiders (in the forums and in twitter) say Klopp is our new boss, with a three year contract.

Though newspaper media say the club has not approached Klopp (or anyone as yet)....and that the recruitment process will begin in the next week.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 05, 2015, 01:45:03 AM
Now it would be a great day if the owners also dismissed their chief scout, transfer committee, and that other fukcwit, yankee Mike Gordon.

I hope to feck, that FSG now belatedly realise that they themselves know feck all about 'soccer' and now bring in top people to run the club.

Exactly. Rodgers was the tip of the iceberg, not much more than an ice cube.

Ancelotti is supposedly not available until the Summer having recently had back (I think it was) surgery. Unlike when we replaced Dalglish with Souness instead of Bobby Robson, I hope FSG get it right and give it to the guy, the only guy, who is experienced enough to turn the juggernaut around.

So it's Howe from Bournemouth then.  :(
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 05, 2015, 01:47:54 AM
I wouldn't dream of dancing on his career grave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46K9jNPzUHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46K9jNPzUHs)

Not a single 'career' in sight.  ;D
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 05, 2015, 09:31:20 AM
I woke up this morning, and yes, it really is true. I hadn't just dreamt it.

Now to the nightmare FSG will make of replacing him. Afterall, their track record of choosing managers is worse than Mike Ashley's.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 05, 2015, 10:14:06 AM
Normally I don't read Paddy Barclay's pontificating self important drivel, but this one is pretty close to reality (for Barclay):

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/patrick-barclay-brendan-rodgers-is-a-victim-of-liverpool-s-moneyball-methods-a3082676.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/patrick-barclay-brendan-rodgers-is-a-victim-of-liverpool-s-moneyball-methods-a3082676.html)


The next manager needs complete autonomy over transfers. No bloody transfer committee, no buying potential all the time and no buying with an eye on selling for a huge profit somewhere down the line.

We buy assets for the pitch, not the future balance sheet, and it's no good funding our transfers with one big sale every year, as you've got that player to replace before you do anything else anyway or haven't FSG noticed that or the reason the transfer fee received was so large.

And we need to sort out the wreckage Rodgers has been of the academy. Losing Burrell and Segura was criminal and we need to stop merely assembling young players that ultimately never see the light of the first team day and produce some real quality that can be first 11 players.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 05, 2015, 10:34:15 AM
Ancelotti's playing it cool and dignified: "I have not had any offer from Liverpool. " is the quote all the media have latched onto.

He's had no offer, either before or after Rodgers sacking, but it doesn't mean there's not been contact, or that he's not considering his reply should there be either contact or an offer.

It's allowing it to look like he's not been "discussing things" during Rodgers' latter days/weeks or that there's even been any contact.

He's a master of giving the press something, but nothing, and letting them run with it, creating a wrong impression through their own clumsy interpretation - as now, the press are using this statement to tell us he's "ruled himself out of the job".

The man's just pure class. You don't win what he has, and in different leagues/countries without being a class act. He's also wrongly identified as a cheque book manager when the truth of it is that at the likes of PSG and Real, brandishing money is part of the owners'/president's m.o.
He didn't spend masses at Chelsea and it was Ambrovich forcing expensive 'trinkets' on him, ie the £50m Torres.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 05, 2015, 01:21:51 PM
It's Klopp.

He has told friends that he expects to return to management within the next two weeks, despite not naming his destination.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
The next manager needs complete autonomy over transfers. No bloody transfer committee, no buying potential all the time and no buying with an eye on selling for a huge profit somewhere down the line.

We buy assets for the pitch, not the future balance sheet, and it's no good funding our transfers with one big sale every year

Losing Burrell and Segura was criminal

agreed, Tes.

to be honest, if FSG don't change their ways, they need to sell up and move on.

As Jamie Carragher said yesterday on Sky, after hearing the news of Rodgers sacking,  FSG have made so many bad decisions since they took over.

The transfer committee is a joke.  It consists of 6 feckers (like yanks Edwards, Gordon....and Ayre, Fallow, Rodgers and Hunter) that I wouldn't have on my village pub team transfer committee.  No wonder our transfers are tripe.   Those 6 are not good enough to organise Darlington or York City's transfer budget, nevermind a top club.

And they appointed a chief scout, the youngster Barry Hunter.     Never in a million years good enough for a top club like Liverpool.

The same story re Rodgers.  Never ever good enough.  A mad appointment.

And we need a balanced age group.  This ridiculous thing of buying young, and for the future, is madness.   We need a balanced age group.

As you say, losing Burrell and Segura, was criminal....utter madness.

FSG should sack themselves.   Apart from the ground expansion, everything else football-related has been a disastrous decision.

They need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.   If they are to continue with their ignorance, arrogance and contrariness, then they best sell up. 

To date, they have made a total c.o'ck up.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:15:05 PM
It's Klopp.

He has told friends that he expects to return to management within the next two weeks, despite not naming his destination.

Maybe he's going to Sunderland.   :D

Graemekelly seems to have broke the Rodgers sacking on twitter.  On the podcast last night, he said he heard on Thursday/Friday when out with friends in Liverpool, that he was told emphatically, that Rodgers was gone, 100 percent.  And it would happen after the Everton game.

The bloke says the transfer committee will remain.

He says the top ranked people on that committee, are:

1) Gordon
2) Ayre
3) Edwards

Edwards is the key man.  Massively thought of by FSG.

Edwards seems to be the key instigator for bringing in Klopp.

FSG and Edwards are listening to the fans, he says. 

The insider says his contact told him Sunday night, that the Klopp deal is already done. 



Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:20:26 PM
Speculation that Klopp will bring some of his team, notably the Dortmund Director of Football (a Bosnian who is contracted there til the summer). 
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
Sky saying that Liverpool have made contact today with both Klopp and Ancelotti.  *cough splutter cough*

They also say: Liverpool plan to appoint a new manager before they go to Tottenham on October 17 after the international break and have no plans to appoint a caretaker as they hope to have the vacancy filled.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:28:11 PM
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Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:33:38 PM
Betting has been suspended on Jurgen Klopp being named new manager of Liverpool.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:35:41 PM
Alex Donohue of Ladbrokes said: "There's a strong vibe Klopp to Liverpool is a done deal so we've had no choice but to suspend betting. The run of cash we've taken in a matter of minutes suggests an announcement is expected sooner rather than later."
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 03:37:59 PM
Latest from Bosnia, former Borussia Dortmund assistant coach Zeljko Buvac is preparing to pack his bags for Merseyside. Buvac was No2 to Jurgen Klopp during the German's time in charge of BVB.

It's claimed Klopp has already accepted a three-year deal offered by Liverpool.

Supposedly Liverpool have rented out a plush home property in Formby, on Merseyside, for a 'guest'. The suggestion is the new manager would take up immediate residence in Formby ahead of organising a more permanent home for his family.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 05, 2015, 03:50:14 PM
Speculation that Klopp will bring some of his team, notably the Dortmund Director of Football (a Bosnian who is contracted there til the summer).

The Bosnian is his assistant or was his assistant at Dortmund. The DoF is Michael Zorc a former German international.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 05, 2015, 05:02:08 PM
The Bosnian is his assistant or was his assistant at Dortmund. The DoF is Michael Zorc a former German international.

yes, one of the clues, the other day, was in a Bosnian local newspaper in the town where the guy was from.  It cited he was Anfield bound (with Klopp).

Yes, it will be interesting to see if Klopp also brings Zorc, the DoF  (reports say that he is contracted to Dortmund til the summer).

It looks like FSG acted quickly, in case Chelsea fired Morinho, and the blues also entered the market for a top manager.   
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 01:01:09 AM
It looks like FSG acted quickly, in case Chelsea fired Morinho, and the blues also entered the market for a top manager.

Or belatedly after realising it should have been done in the Summer.

If they decided to back him in the Summer which they did, then surely they have to back that with time. After letting him bring in so many new faces again it was unrealistic to expect everything to gell instantly.

It's O'Driscoll I feel for. After giving up the England U-19s job he's here 5 minutes before FSG either finally act or jump the gun.

There's been a huge waste of time and money not sacking him in the Summer and then only giving it 5 minutes into the new season. It's really poor either way from FSG.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 01:26:56 AM
The bloke says the transfer committee will remain.

Ridiculous. How much more proof do they need that it doesn't work?
What do Gordon and Ayre know about the footballing side of player selection? Then there's the stats guy. You can't see how a player could fit the requirements or be well suited by looking at stats alone.

Going on stats, a player may look good playing in one team that plays a completely different way to us. Conversely his stats could be poor as he's not suited to or played out of position for his current team, but would suit us perfectly.

Fallows and Hunter wouldn't know the right kind of player if their job depended on it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to as they're still in jobs.

We need a new chief scout, assistant chief scout, a better network of scouts and at every level and age group throughout the club. Then there's the academy to sort out in terms of coaching staff, as well as scouts as mentioned above.

Gordon and Ayre's input should be purely on the finance side. Whether we can afford a player and whether the selling club's valuation is reasonable. Even then, I doubt their capabilities on the second point.

With the amount of work required at the club, I'd have no problem if the new manager had some assistance in implementing all the changes and doing the recruitment needed. That could be done by a DoF type appointment - leaves the manager to sort out the first team, and concentrate on coaching etc. Whilst the manager, together with input (though no ultimate decision making power, or not at a level that vetoes the manager in any way) from the DoF, decides what needs changing. He wouldn't be tied up implementing it all.

Doing 'everything' as a manager used to do is far too much in modern football. Even Ferguson stated that if he'd come to the Mancs in the present, he wouldn't have been able to do everything he had back in the 80s.

Everything would be ultimately decided by the manager, but the implementation carried out by a DoF figure.

It might even leave the manager free enough to watch a few of the targets recommended by the scouts for himself, rather than relying on reports, stats and DVDs etc. Likewise take in more academy matches and see for himself again who's who and who's a possibility for promotion to the first team squad for himself, not just on the word of the academy staff.

Ultimately the manager is responsible for everything on the footballing side, therefore he needs final say, as it's only him that appears to pay with his job if decisions taken prove to be wrong. Full accountability and no shifting of blame around.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 01:31:21 AM
There's been a huge waste of time and money not sacking him in the Summer and then only giving it 5 minutes into the new season. It's really poor either way from FSG.

absolutely.

very very poor running of the club.

one can't help but wonder how these guys ever made any money in business.

Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 01:34:00 AM
Ridiculous. How much more proof do they need that it doesn't work?

Fallows and Hunter wouldn't know the right kind of player if their job depended on it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to as they're still in jobs.

We need a new chief scout, assistant chief scout, a better network of scouts and at every level and age group throughout the club. Then there's the academy to sort out in terms of coaching staff, as well as scouts as mentioned above.

yes, the idiots FSG have dismantled everything that Rafa set up.

Their amateurs, aided by the youngster of a manager, have ran amok at the club, and tumbled and broken everything they could lay their sweaty hands on.

It is a total rebuilding job - from top to bottom.

I would like to think that this has been one helluva lesson for these Boston dimwits.

There is no point expanding the ground, if supporters have no interest in being in the stadium.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 08:46:07 AM
It is a total rebuilding job - from top to bottom.

Which is why I wish people would look beyond the image of the charismatic, grinning German and look a bit more closely. One successful stint at a big club (Dortmund are one of the bigger clubs in the Bundesliga) that went sour.

Ancelotti, league titles in different countries, CL wins and finals, experience of the PL, including the title in his first season (the double no less in his first season), and most importantly, experience of being at big clubs. He knows how big clubs function, how they need to be set up to help bring success. We hear all the time how good it is to have 'player X' with CL experience or experience of winning the PL, but what about managers? Surely the same applies.
Ancelotti was also a top player. Serie A winner and Italian international, not just some youth player at a third or fourth tier club.

Klopp worries me. Has his bubble already burst? I know he won the Bundesliga twice, and did well in the CL, but Rodgers' 3 seasons are like a micro snap shot of Klopp's, not absolutely literally, but in building something successful and then it all going south and him not being able to arrest the slump.

And if we're trading on images, if appearance is all important, then Ancelotti is the perfect gentleman. Always dignified ala Sir Bobby Robson. Opposition fans may not like that he wins things for their rival, but they respect him. He's no public a-hole like Taggart or Mourinho. The charismatic, slightly eccentric bit could grow tiresome, where Klopp's concerned.

I just hope we act based on substance and not image, on the actual, no the 'appears to be'.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 06, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
I too would prefer Ancelotti over Klopp however he told FSG he would not relocate his family and would only stay until the Juve, Milan or Italy job became available.

He badly wants to manage Italy and one suspects after the euros it will be available.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: barticus on October 06, 2015, 11:48:52 AM
An excellent weekend for the future of Liverpool FC. I was out on feria when i heard that Rodgers had gone and to be honest i don't care if its either Klopp or Ancelotti as both will be better than Rodgers. Both have weaknesses and positives but both will start to players in positions where they are most comfortable.
That hasn't been seen for a long time.
Good stuff.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 12:09:15 PM
Ancelotti, league titles in different countries, CL wins and finals, experience of the PL, including the title in his first season (the double no less in his first season), and most importantly, experience of being at big clubs. He knows how big clubs function, how they need to be set up to help bring success.

Klopp worries me. Has his bubble already burst? I know he won the Bundesliga twice, and did well in the CL, but Rodgers' 3 seasons are like a micro snap shot of Klopp's, not absolutely literally, but in building something successful and then it all going south and him not being able to arrest the slump.

yes, this is what I always warn about young inexperienced managers, and pretenders - i.e. when it starts going south, they can't arrest the decline......because they can't identify the problems. 

Like Bart, either man will be infinitely better than Rodgers.

There are pros and cons for each guy.  Edward makes the very good point that Ancelotti may not be willing to fully commit to a several-year project.  Whereas Klopp seems fully up for it - with him and his family prepared to move to Liverpool.

OK, let me play devil's advocate.

Looking at Ancelotti's record - it is based around managing clubs at the top of the pile, across the top European leagues. 

In Europe, there is possibly nobody better.   He is one helluva cup manager.  Lots of similarities here with Rafa. 

But despite 16 years managing at Juventus, AC Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid, he has won a mere three league titles.   That is at odds with his cup record, and the massive resources he has had to call upon at each of these giant clubs.

Ancelotti is no Alex Ferguson, when it comes to winning league title after league title.

Would Ancelotti finally bring us the title?   I fear that he would struggle (especially at a club in the doldrums, like we are at present).

Managerial Record

Juventus (1999–2001)
    UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1999

Milan (2001–2009)
    UEFA Champions League: 2002–03, 2006–07
    UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2007
    Serie A: 2003–04
    Coppa Italia: 2002–03
    Supercoppa Italiana: 2004

Chelsea (2009–2011)
    Premier League: 2009–10
    FA Cup: 2009–10
    FA Community Shield: 2009

Paris Saint-Germain (2011–2013)
    Ligue 1: 2012–13

Real Madrid (2013–2015)
    UEFA Champions League: 2013–14
    UEFA Super Cup: 2014
    FIFA Club World Cup: 2014
    Copa del Rey: 2013–14
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 01:15:19 PM
To balance things up.

My concerns about Klopp centre around

1) I have not seen enough of it, thus I am no expert on Klopp's style of football.  But his Dortmund were a pressing team.  That pressing style, was also Rafa's mode of operation at Valencia.....which he then took to Liverpool when he moved.  He used it that first season or so at Liverpool, but had to change it.  I suspect the premiership is much too physical a league, to be able to have your players playing that energy-sapping pressing style the entire season.   Klopp will be on a learning curve.  His Dortmund style may be of little use in England. 

2) relatively inexperienced, short time at the top, and only worked in Germany, unable to quickly arrest Dortmund's decline last season (pretty much Tes's concerns).
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 01:17:06 PM
From today's Independent

Jürgen Klopp will become Liverpool’s new manager providing an agreement can be made on how the club conducts its transfer business.

Discussions between Anfield officials and the 48-year-old are at an advanced stage after meetings held yesterday close to Liverpool’s London offices in Bloomsbury. Klopp, who takes much of the credit for Borussia Dortmund’s transformation from Bundesliga relegation fodder to two-time champions, worked closely in Germany with chief executive Hans-Joachim Watzke as well as sporting director Michael Zorc on the issue of recruitment and is understood to be seeking clarity on who would have the final say at Liverpool.

Klopp formed a close bond with Zorc particularly – a former player at Dortmund – and it is possible that he might request someone of a similar stature fills the same role at Liverpool, a job that would bridge the gap between the boardroom and management. Potentially, such a move would render irrelevant the club’s much-criticised transfer committee.

Last week, it was said in the German media that Klopp was being considered by Bayern Munich as a potential replacement for Pep Guardiola should he choose to leave Bavaria next summer. Since then, contract negotiations have begun and although both Manchester clubs would like to appoint him in the future, it now seems he will remain in Germany for at least another 18 months.

Klopp would not be willing to wait for that long and now his thoughts are with Liverpool, a job that attracts him because of the club’s history and the enormity of task – one that will be as testing as when he started out at Dortmund in the summer of 2008.

Stefan Effenberg, the former Germany international and a friend of Klopp’s, said a deal with Liverpool was close. “When you come to a team and everything is 100 per cent it’s not a challenge,” he said. “This would be a challenge for Jürgen Klopp: to build and to create something new.”
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 01:55:00 PM
Red Bull Leipzig technical director (and former Hoffenheim coach), Ralf Rangnick.
has been speaking of Klopp and his training methods.

Rangnick said: "Any club who can sign Jurgen Klopp can be happy because he is one of the most able and capable head coaches in Europe.

"At Dortmund, he turned the whole club around and played a kind of football that only a few teams played, not simply in Germany but in Europe."

Rangnick also discusses the possibility of changes to Liverpool's training methods under Klopp.
"I know there are many clubs in England who won't have double sessions during the week, but in Germany you won't find a single club without one or two double sessions a week.

"Twice a week is normal. The way he wants to play, you cannot play this attractive, attacking, counter pressing football without the team being physically and mentally ready for that. It works only with intense training.

"Jurgen is the type of coach whose teams look from the perspective of what happens when the other team has the ball. He wants his team to always be ready and prepared to win the ball back.
This is the only way to reach control over a game. That the whole team knows what it has to do when the opposition is in possession of the ball."

"His man-management is also of a high standard. On the one hand he is demanding, but on the other he is communicative; the kind of coach who loves his players and shows the players that he loves them and protects them."
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 03:36:32 PM
I too would prefer Ancelotti over Klopp however he told FSG he would not relocate his family and would only stay until the Juve, Milan or Italy job became available.

He badly wants to manage Italy and one suspects after the euros it will be available.

The Italy job is something I'd wondered about Ancelotti. He's never been seriously linked, though at this stage of his career, maybe the lack of day to day would suit him.

I can also understand wanting to end his career back in Italy, and both Juve and Milan will have appeal but for different reasons.

The family bit confuses me. I know nothing of his 'personal life'. Did he have kids later on, because at his age you'd think that the bairns had left home, so moving around, his 'family' would be just him and Mrs Carlo, if there is one.

So long term who will prove to be the better manager, Klopp or De Boer? Klopp's only three years older than de Boer. If not Ancelotti, then whoever is the answer to that question is the person I hope we appoint.

Even if it's joint managers, Carra and Stevie G, no damned transfer committees, no rules about age etc. Let the damned manager manage how he sees fit and then if it's a failure the sacking is justified. If he's just to be the public face of an accumulation of rules and committees, then everyone involved has to go. It's called accountability. It's what we used to have and what we need back again.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
Klopp or De Boer, and I have no real preference, because whilst Klopp has two titles in the stronger Bundesliga, De Boer has the experience of knowing what it takes as a player as well as a coach/manager and knows what the insides of a successful club looks like, having been at Ajax and Barca, both have the advantage of age over Ancelotti in terms of being able to stay long term with us.

De Boer has a better grounding as a coach/manager and knows exactly what it takes to produce a world class academy having come up through Ajax's, been at Barca and then back at Ajax for 5 years or so.

On the one hand, Klopp beating the might of Bayern twice to the title is impressive, whereas De Boer in the Dutch league always has more than just one team to finish ahead of. Despite the traditional greats of PSV and Ajax, the Dutch league is more competitive in terms of teams challenging those two.
Klopp has taken Dortmund further in Europe than De Boer has with Ajax, but the relative league strengths and finances have more than played their part. 

Ancelotti has a track record and a damn good one, in English football, whereas the two younger men have none, but de Boer has experienced English opposition as a player over the years, and did at least spend some time north of the border so his exposure to English football has been closer at hand than Klopp.

All three in their different ways would fit the club. They're all down to earth, humble, disciplined men and all three you'd imagine has an understanding and appreciation of Liverpool Football Club and I don't see any of them as the type to massage expectations in a downward trajectory.

Hell, I can almost talk myself out of Ancelotti in favour of either of them, and out of any of them in favour of each of the other two.

De Boer's availability probably works against him and Klopp's is the thing most in favour of him.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 06, 2015, 06:11:57 PM
Klopp's favoured formation is 4-2-3-1.

With our current squad one suspects this would be his favoured team:-

------------------------------Mignolet-----------------------


-----Clyne--------------Skrtel------------Sakho--------Moreno-----------



-------------------------Milner------Henderson------------------------------



--------------Sturridge--------Coutinho------------Ings-----------



--------------------------------Benteke------------------------------------


Looking at his CM's at Dortmund he loves pressing, high energy mids but who can create too. I feel Lucas will be the biggest casualty of Klopp coming in.


Klopp like the physicality up front and for me I feel he'll play Benteke in the Lewandowski role. With Sturridge on the right hand side. I feel he will absolutely get the best from Benteke. I also think Ings will thrive under Klopp's style of play.

I think in January we'll be signing a DM/CM type player.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 07:45:36 PM
Looking at his CM's at Dortmund he loves pressing, high energy mids but who can create too. I feel Lucas will be the biggest casualty of Klopp coming in.

Klopp like the physicality up front and for me I feel he'll play Benteke in the Lewandowski role. With Sturridge on the right hand side. I feel he will absolutely get the best from Benteke. I also think Ings will thrive under Klopp's style of play.

I think in January we'll be signing a DM/CM type player.

I agree re our forwards.  I think they will love playing for Klopp.

However, elsewhere in the team - I just don't think we have the players, technically, to play the game he favours.

It was a horrendous mistake not to change managers in the summer- and allow Klopp to bring in a summer's worth of his own players.   
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 08:43:18 PM
It was a horrendous mistake not to change managers in the summer- and allow Klopp to bring in a summer's worth of his own players.

Exactly, and the Winter window is normally quiet as teams don't want disruption or are loathe to lose players and then try to get replacements and /or get them bedded in without the season getting de-railed.

Still, it gives any new manager time to really assess what he's got and not be tempted to make quick changes before he's seen players in real match action rather than just training or pre-season knock abouts.

At least the new manager has time to hopefully make something out of the season, rather than being a fire fighter from day one.

It makes you wonder though just how much extra this has all cost over and above what it would have done in the Summer. So there's the Winter window budget spoken for.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 06, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
Klopp 3 year deal to be announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 10:13:34 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/468701/Revealed-Liverpool-transfer-committee-Jurgen-Klopp-deal (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/468701/Revealed-Liverpool-transfer-committee-Jurgen-Klopp-deal)

I don't foresee a happy ending on this one then: "He needs somebody who does that [brings in players] for him and he needs to trust these guys to be clever and smart enough to bring in the best players.

"90 per cent of the players at Borussia Dortmund weren't signed by Klopp - but they weren't signed against his wishes either.


He'll need to get FSG to put together a new 'committee' then.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Klopp 3 year deal to be announced tomorrow.

Something tells me this has merely been rubber stamped since Sunday and was all but sorted prior.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 06, 2015, 10:45:48 PM
It makes you wonder though just how much extra this has all cost over and above what it would have done in the Summer.

yes, it makes you wonder how many tens of millions we have wasted this summer (plus the wages too of the new lads).

If FSG are not careful, they will get themselves a name, in Liverpool and beyond, as being idiots.


Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 07, 2015, 01:30:44 AM
If FSG are not careful, they will get themselves a name, in Liverpool and beyond, as being idiots.

So they're going up in people's estimation.  ;D
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 07, 2015, 04:38:19 PM
Sacked Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers 'on FA shortlist to be considered for next England boss'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sacked-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-6590891 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sacked-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-6590891)


 ;D

He actually might be quite good as there's no transfers and he just works with a limited group of players. It might just suit him perfectly, and if it all goes t!ts up, it's only England afterall.  ;D
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 07, 2015, 06:02:40 PM
Klopp to be confirmed 10am tomorrow morning and a press conference on Friday.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 07, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
So they're going up in people's estimation.  ;D

 :) :) 8)
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 07, 2015, 06:36:31 PM
Sacked Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers 'on FA shortlist to be considered for next England boss'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sacked-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-6590891 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sacked-liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-6590891)


 ;D

He actually might be quite good as there's no transfers and he just works with a limited group of players. It might just suit him perfectly, and if it all goes t!ts up, it's only England afterall.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

I can see it now - Rodger's England 2-0 up, World Cup Final, against Brazil.

"ok, lads, let's push on......let's put on a show, we can beat them by 5 or 6."

Having said that, Rodgers wouldn't have taken off Bobby Charlton in 1970, when 2-0 up against the Germans......by deciding to sit back, England went on to lose 2-3.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 07, 2015, 11:46:10 PM
;D ;D ;D

I can see it now - Rodger's England 2-0 up, World Cup Final, against Brazil.

"ok, lads, let's push on......let's put on a show, we can beat them by 5 or 6."

Having said that, Rodgers wouldn't have taken off Bobby Charlton in 1970, when 2-0 up against the Germans......by deciding to sit back, England went on to lose 2-3.

He'd have taken Banks off and played 'rush goalie'.  ;D
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 08, 2015, 02:24:03 AM
He'd have taken Banks off and played 'rush goalie'.  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 08, 2015, 12:23:35 PM
Yes, it will be interesting to see if Klopp also brings Zorc, the DoF  (reports say that he is contracted to Dortmund til the summer).

This is something that I've been wondering more and more about. Having worked under such a system, it doesn't appear as though he as bothered by the committee, or a more 'collective' approach to transfers than Rodgers was.
However, it's the individual personnel that make up the committee aside of the manager that has me wondering. Will he be comfortable with the Edwards, Hunter, Fallows collective? Ayre is there as CEO, and in any case would always have a major involvement in any potential transfer, especially from any financial aspect.

Will he instead, working on a similar line, try and get FSG to acquire Zorc and recreate what was in place at Dortmund with the addition of (hopefully a new one) the chief scout, and possibly Fallows or his replacement if it's seen that a 'head of recruitment/scouting' is still/really needed.

Dortmund's set up was mainly Zorc plus Peter Krawietz who was chief scout for a long time as well as being one of Klopp's two asistants, 'the Bosnian' Zeljko Buvac, being the other. 

If Klopp is comfortable working with Zorc and trusts his recommendations, it would make more sense to bring him in in place of Fallows, appoint a better chief scout than Hunter and have a committee of Zorc, Krawietz, new chief scout drawing up the names for Klopp to consider then any nominated player goes to Ayre/Gordon who would decide if the financial aspect stacks up.

There shouldn't be a committee that can bring in players having collectively 'outvoted' the manager. Neither should a player be disallowed on the grounds of age unless we're asked to pay crazy money for someone who is 33y.o+
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 09, 2015, 01:00:53 AM
This is something that I've been wondering more and more about. Having worked under such a system, it doesn't appear as though he was bothered by the committee, or a more 'collective' approach to transfers than Rodgers was.

However, it's the individual personnel that make up the committee aside of the manager that has me wondering. Will he be comfortable with the Edwards, Hunter, Fallows collective?

Will he instead, working on a similar line, try and get FSG to acquire Zorc and recreate what was in place at Dortmund with the addition of (hopefully a new one) the chief scout, and possibly Fallows or his replacement if it's seen that a 'head of recruitment/scouting' is still/really needed.

Dortmund's set up was mainly Zorc plus Peter Krawietz who was chief scout for a long time as well as being one of Klopp's two asistants, 'the Bosnian' Zeljko Buvac, being the other. 

If Klopp is comfortable working with Zorc and trusts his recommendations, it would make more sense to bring him in in place of Fallows, appoint a better chief scout than Hunter and have a committee of Zorc, Krawietz, new chief scout drawing up the names for Klopp to consider then any nominated player goes to Ayre/Gordon who would decide if the financial aspect stacks up.

There shouldn't be a committee that can bring in players having collectively 'outvoted' the manager. Neither should a player be disallowed on the grounds of age unless we're asked to pay crazy money for someone who is 33y.o+

agreed, on all scores.

the committee is fine in principle - after all, the bootroom would have been what we pretty-much called it 30 odd years ago.

As you say, it is the actual personnel on that group, that is the problem.

Fallows, Hunter, Edwards, and Gordon need to be shown the door, or redeployed.  Maybe they can help the groundsman, or help the tea-ladies in the canteen, or summat.

Like you, I think Klopp will bring in many of his own people (beyond the two we already know today).

Whoever got the job, faces a massive job.  The Liverpool of 2015, is not the one that existed when Rafa was sacked in 2010.  We had an excellent structure in place then, with superb personnel (even if there were the usual office politics and infighting).   FSG have dismantled the structure of a top 4 club, and replaced it with something that would be good enough for Spurs or Newcastle. 

Klopp has a lot of work on his plate.   But I think he is young enough to relish it.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 09, 2015, 01:04:07 AM
(http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/sites/sbs.com.au.theworldgame/files/styles/full/public/453572930.jpg?itok=WwQrtfVC)

Borussia Dortmund sporting director Michael Zorc  told talkSPORT: "If you look at what Jurgen Klopp did at Dortmund, he completely transformed that team from a very mediocre German side into one that beat Bayern Munich to the Bundesliga twice.

"This is a guy who is twenty years younger than Wenger who is absolutely ravenous for success with a new club."

"He loves attacking football, so Arsenal fans wouldn't be deprived of attacking football, but he would make our defence a granite-like defence."
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 09, 2015, 01:08:16 AM
I enjoyed reading this article, by a German journalist, someone who knows Klopp well.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-liverpool-dont-worry-final-10224150#rlabs=20%20p$4 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-liverpool-dont-worry-final-10224150#rlabs=20%20p$4)

Everybody (of intelligence) in the football industry is raving about Klopp (including loads of highly respected people).

We may have got ourselves a gem.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 09, 2015, 03:44:59 PM
Fallows, Hunter, Edwards, and Gordon need to be shown the door, or redeployed.  Maybe they can help the groundsman, or help the tea-ladies in the canteen, or summat.

But I don't like my tea looking like or tasting like coffee, and we'd probably end up with the second penalty area on the halfway line, and the centre circle in front of the Kop or Anfield Road ends. Or maybe the technical areas in front of the nets, and the penalty areas in front of the dugouts.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 09, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Whoever got the job, faces a massive job.  The Liverpool of 2015, is not the one that existed when Rafa was sacked in 2010.  We had an excellent structure in place then, with superb personnel (even if there were the usual office politics and infighting).   FSG have dismantled the structure of a top 4 club, and replaced it with something that would be good enough for Spurs or Newcastle. 


When you look at the quality of the academy staff then and now, it's heartbreaking. Rafa knew what a good academy looked like after being at Real. Klopp seems like the sort who isn't interested in legacies as a way of feeding his ego and therefore changing everything for the sake of. If it works, he'll leave well alone. He won't dilute his time mending something that isn't broken.

I doubt he can re-poach Borrell from City, but we could have more success getting Malcolm Elias back from Fulham.

Dortmund produced some good players through their academy and bought in other good youngsters and turned them into stars. Hopefully Klopp can replicate that here. This is one of the reasons I favour a (insert any name here) technical director / DoF / whatever, but as an assistant to the manager, who gets on and puts the manager's ideas and instructions into action, like the re-building of the academy, coaches and scouts and also assembling a scouting network, starting with a new chief scout, from the bottom up for the first team squad. These things are now hugely complicated and involved and it would be far better to have someone sorting this out, though carrying out the manager's wishes and instructions, not doing it or being responsible for it independently of the manager. It leaves the manager more free time to concentrate on the first team, but there will still be a lot of input and time required by the manager working through things with his 'assistant' anyway, but it takes the time of the putting 'into operation' away from the manager.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Edward224 on October 09, 2015, 05:22:49 PM
Disagree with you both. Our academy is far more healthier than what it was between 2010 to 2015.

In Alex Inglethorpe we have the most highly thought of academy director in england. That is not my belief but the belief of two people who are involved in academies one in england and the other in France - I don't know them directly but someone I do know does.

Borrell wasn't a big loss imo. Look at the players brought through to us during his time here. 99% were not good enough. Elias has hardly pulled up trees since leaving us.

When Rafa came here in 2004 he stated it would take 10 years to get the academy right and he was spot on.

The group of players that Borrell brought through:- Pacheco, Ayala, Dalla Valle, Eccleston, Suso, Insua, Palletta, Plessis, Amoo, Wilson, Barragan, El Zhar, Leto and Mique Roque.

Only Mique Roque, Palleta and Suso are plying their trade in the top division of a big league. None apart from Suso and Insua made an impression for us.

Whereas now the academy is arguably very strong. We now have quality players who I expect to make our squad on a regular basis. In the likes of Chirivella, Randall Rossiter, Canos, Wilson, Kent, Brannagan, Ibe, Sinclair, Ojo, Teixeira and others.

I think you need to do your homework on this really. It is one area that we have strengthened over the past 5 years.

The 2015 batch of academy players are 100000000% times more likely to be a LFC player than the group that came before them.

Now I don't expect all the names I mentioned to come through for us because it doesn't it hardly ever works like that. However I expect 3-4 players to be regulars in the squad.

One name I want you to remember is Ryan Kent who can play on either wing and would suit a Klopp formation and team down to a tee.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on October 09, 2015, 06:52:03 PM
Edward, you've tried to prove your point by going off on a tangent.

I don't remember Spurs putting up much of a fight, maybe they didn't know what they had, but the combination of Segura and Borell have a track record far better than our current incumbent(s). Maybe Inglethorpe will prove eventually to be an inspired piece of recruitment and have a track the equal of the ex-Barcelona pair.

We've focused more on youth recruitment under FSG and Rodgers than previously and Rodgers hasn't had the internal political b.s with Parry and his son that Benitez did.

And if as you state Rafa said '10 years etc, etc' then were at or around that point so the academy, in terms of players, not staff, will indeed be at it's strongest point.

As for Elias, I was referring to his track record at Southampton (he wasn't with us long enough to develop one), where 'tree pulling' should be a touch easier than at the mighty Fulham, though Patrick Roberts may not agree.

I'm not sure either why you were referring to the period 2010-2015, and surely the present, 2015, falls within your defined time frame.

As mind is somewhat tied up with 'doing my homework' you'll have to explain.

And as we've only really 'produced / co-produced' Sterling from the academy/youth ranks/ below the first team since the likes of Carra, Owen, Gerrard  etc (Flanno, Rossiter and Ibe would really stretching the point) it's pretty safe to say that the academy has been poor, though that may be down to the time frame requirements/estimations of 10 years and is therefore something that we need to work on and improve by a huge amount. It's more pertinent in our case as we don't have Ambramovich's spending money, though Chelsea seem to be making a better job of their academy than us of our's.

I shall now get my head back in my homework books.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on October 09, 2015, 08:56:25 PM
And as we've only really 'produced / co-produced' Sterling from the academy/youth ranks/ below the first team since the likes of Carra, Owen, Gerrard  etc (Flanno, Rossiter and Ibe would really stretching the point) it's pretty safe to say that the academy has been poor, though that may be down to the time frame requirements/estimations of 10 years and is therefore something that we need to work on and improve by a huge amount.

exactly.

and we didn't even produce Sterling.    Sterling was bought in, as a 15 year old from QPR.

I usually don't give a lot of importance to youth academies at the top clubs - because in the modern era, top clubs tend to go out and bring in the finished article.....and to hell with their own academy.

But Liverpool in 2010 had a top notch team in place.  Rafa had us fighting above our weight.

Which is what Jurgen will also need to do. 

Going back to the youth setup.  FSG need to get away from their model, of buying in cheap, and selling when someone become the finished article.  We do not want to become a nursery club to the top teams. 
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on November 30, 2015, 09:13:50 PM
Rodgers is amongst the favourites for the Barcodes' job should 'the wally with the brolly' get given his P45:

Next Newcastle manager: Odds and contenders as pressure mounts on Steve McClaren

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-newcastle-manager-odds-contenders-6925328 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-newcastle-manager-odds-contenders-6925328)

Then we really would see if he knows how to get a team to defend, as they'd have to scrap their way out of the bottom three, and utopian football won't work down there.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on December 01, 2015, 08:50:28 AM
yes, I saw him linked yesterday to that potential vacancy.

Who in their right minds, especially at that end of the table, would ever employ Rodgers.

Mind you, I don't think his ego would allow him to manage that far down the table.  Having said that, he does appear to like money and the spotlight.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on December 02, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
yes, I saw him linked yesterday to that potential vacancy.

Who in their right minds, especially at that end of the table, would ever employ Rodgers.

Mind you, I don't think his ego would allow him to manage that far down the table.  Having said that, he does appear to like money and the spotlight.

Agreed, Rodgers won't have room for his utopian football. Newcastle needed someone like Fat Sham (although he wouldn't have gone back there) to come in and avoid the season turning into the perennial relegation battle. Allardyce for all his bluster, does seem to get the basic foundations in place at a club.
Villa, like Newcastle, seem like a club set up for failure. Both need new owners, and their fans need a reality check. Both clubs have been allowed to slide by their owners, so the fans need to understand that the club has to be re-built under new ownership before they can even start to think about challenging for the UEFA Cup spot, or playing attractive, vibrant football.

Until new owners arrive, survival is the only realistic target. It's not nice, or fun, but it's better than Division 2 football.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2016, 01:10:29 AM
Brendan..............again:

Brendan Rodgers has turned down five jobs since Liverpool sacking as he admits he may not join 'top club' after time out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3438049/Brendan-Rodgers-turned-five-jobs-Liverpool-sacking-admits-not-join-club-time-out.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3438049/Brendan-Rodgers-turned-five-jobs-Liverpool-sacking-admits-not-join-club-time-out.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on February 09, 2016, 10:27:47 PM
after licking his wounds for a few weeks, the mouth is back, clearly fancying himself as a bit of a future pundit....and wanting to clarify how decent and humble he is.

note (like david o'leary in the past) how many times Rodgers uses the word I and associated words like, me and mine.

Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2016, 10:42:56 PM
after licking his wounds for a few weeks, the mouth is back, clearly fancying himself as a bit of a future pundit....and wanting to clarify how decent and humble he is.

note (like david o'leary in the past) how many times Rodgers uses the word I and associated words like, me and mine.

Everything that went wrong was ultimately down to others. I can't wait for him to get his next job so he can prove himself wrong.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on February 09, 2016, 11:02:04 PM
Everything that went wrong was ultimately down to others. I can't wait for him to get his next job so he can prove himself wrong.

yes, all the wrong things were down to others.

but he has to be very careful - I imagine he has signed a clause in his leaving contract at Anfield - not to criticise the club.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on February 10, 2016, 03:01:10 AM
yes, all the wrong things were down to others.

but he has to be very careful - I imagine he has signed a clause in his leaving contract at Anfield - not to criticise the club.

He edged around the 'winning model' / 'business model' issue, being careful to just highlight the two and not actually say the 'business model' way was actually wrong.

Has he had his say on the ticket price issue?
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on February 10, 2016, 11:06:50 AM
He edged around the 'winning model' / 'business model' issue, being careful to just highlight the two and not actually say the 'business model' way was actually wrong.

Has he had his say on the ticket price issue?

I think he's saving that up for the next media appearance.

Can't be using all his opportunities up at once.

I note he's been on that far east sports channel BeIN a fair bit in this comeback.

You know, everyone at the club has suffered him for so long - but I have the feeling that it would just take one or two senior people, or ex-pros, to come out and criticise him, for the whole sham to collapse, and others start to do the same.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on February 10, 2016, 01:02:17 PM
I think he's saving that up for the next media appearance.

Can't be using all his opportunities up at once.

I note he's been on that far east sports channel BeIN a fair bit in this comeback.

You know, everyone at the club has suffered him for so long - but I have the feeling that it would just take one or two senior people, or ex-pros, to come out and criticise him, for the whole sham to collapse, and others start to do the same.

It truly is hard to think about just exactly how much was spent during his tenure and what we ended up with for all that money.

I wonder if Brendan's touting for an overpaid job in the Chinese Superleague. He'd have money, so cross that excuse off, no transfer committee, ditto. We could be on the cusp of a BR team about to take over the world.
The shoot-out of the 'Super Bosses', Pep Vs Brendan, live on Pay Per View.
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on February 10, 2016, 06:18:05 PM
It truly is hard to think about just exactly how much was spent during his tenure and what we ended up with for all that money.

I wonder if Brendan's touting for an overpaid job in the Chinese Superleague. He'd have money, so cross that excuse off, no transfer committee, ditto. We could be on the cusp of a BR team about to take over the world.
The shoot-out of the 'Super Bosses', Pep Vs Brendan, live on Pay Per View.

 :)

if you look across his career (I love wikipedia as my initial source), Brendan's big thing is that he was never given long enough, in any of his jobs, to oversee the transformation that his ideas demanded.

"we're almost at the mountain top - I can see the peak - have brave heart, don't waver young soul, and stick with me.  You need to have faith (and keep paying me the crazy wages)"

It's almost a religious thing. 

Faith, faith, faith.....demands the false prophet with over 100 properties and a massive bank balance.

Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on February 10, 2016, 07:17:54 PM
Looks like Jurgen's had enough of Brendan's blathering too:



(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/klopp1.jpg)
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on February 12, 2016, 01:15:04 AM
 :) :)
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on February 13, 2016, 11:13:56 PM
Gary Neville announces former Liverpool assistant manager Pako Ayestaran will join him at Valencia

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gary-neville-announces-former-liverpool-7366948 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gary-neville-announces-former-liverpool-7366948)

Even Neville, the son of Neville Neville, has the good sense to put his ego aside and do something for the good of his club.

This is a move Rodgers should have made in the Summer instead of appointing the first and former drummer of Rainbow as his assistant. If he's teamed up with Nev at Vallencia, I'm sure he'd have returned to Anfield if he'd been asked.   
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: the dude abides on February 14, 2016, 09:47:26 AM
A very smart move, employing Pako.

He will obviously know the Spanish league, and the market, well.

@  Rainbow's drummer   :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Brendan Rodgers Sacked
Post by: Tes on May 22, 2016, 03:59:19 PM
So the owners' first choice before Brendan gets the bullet from across Stanley Park, and now they're looking to talk to our most recent tormentor, Unai Emery:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/22/everton-to-hold-talks-with-unai-emery-over-managerial-vacancy/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/22/everton-to-hold-talks-with-unai-emery-over-managerial-vacancy/)

It could be worse, they haven't yet been linked with our multi-club nemesis Steve Bruce.

Imagine that, Steve Bruce at Everton. We'd never win another Derby.  :(