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Title: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 05, 2016, 01:05:58 AM
Allegedly Sturridge wants to leave in the Summer because of Klopp's supposed criticism.

I don't think Klopp's been critical but if Sturridge takes it that way then he's very thin skinned.

It's probably best if he does leave as no matter how good he may be when fit, surely it's better to have a player who may only have a 1 in 3 record, fit all the time, rather than a player with a 1 in 1.5 record who's only fit 20% of the time.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: barticus on February 05, 2016, 11:41:31 AM
Maybe we can sell him to China?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 05, 2016, 12:52:25 PM
 :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 05, 2016, 01:43:35 PM
Maybe we can sell him to China?

And watch how he links up with Teixeira. Dreams and allegiances for sale, sold to the highest bidder.

Maybe we dodged a bullet with Teixeira. Apparently the Chinese team were the only ones to make a 'serious' bid, which was not what he was saying about our bid(s) last week.

The search for the 'next Jamie Vardy' continues.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 05, 2016, 02:03:24 PM
"Let's put it like this: everyone always knew that I wanted to stay in Europe and move to the English Premier League club," Teixeira said.

"But, unfortunately, all the proposals that came from them, were somewhat windy and did not contain anything concrete."

"Now I have received a serious offer from China. Of course, I'm moving there."

"At this stage, Brazil national team will move away from me a little further. But let's see what happens in the future!"

As Tes says, looks like we dodged a bullet.

Heck, maybe we were only ever used to push his price and wages up.

Looks like the guy loves the money.  Why else would he go to that mecca of football, China.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 05, 2016, 03:32:00 PM
"Let's put it like this: everyone always knew that I wanted to stay in Europe and move to the English Premier League club," Teixeira said.

"But, unfortunately, all the proposals that came from them, were somewhat windy and did not contain anything concrete."

"Now I have received a serious offer from China. Of course, I'm moving there."

"At this stage, Brazil national team will move away from me a little further. But let's see what happens in the future!"

As Tes says, looks like we dodged a bullet.

Heck, maybe we were only ever used to push his price and wages up.

Looks like the guy loves the money.  Why else would he go to that mecca of football, China.

Good riddance.

Meanwhile, last week he was saying "The team received one official offer from Liverpool. It was rejected. I don't know why. It was a great offer. It is frustrating. But the manager and club president decided against it."

Not even a whiff of wind, despite Ian Ayre doing the negotiating.

In his own words, caught on video: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/641417/Alex-Teixiera-Why-I-did-not-join-Liverpool (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/641417/Alex-Teixiera-Why-I-did-not-join-Liverpool)

All he had to do was say no, especially as his club had been insistent that he wouldn't be leaving until the Summer at least.

It's also rather odd how when the Chinese offered the magical £38M, the asking price didn't shoot up to £53M, like it supposedly had for us.

Looks like his dream to play in the PL and force his way into the Brazilian manager's thoughts by playing in a high profile league have all been bought off by the Chinese.

" A team full of Flanagans".
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 05, 2016, 03:58:03 PM
Meanwhile, last week he was saying "The team received one official offer from Liverpool. It was rejected. I don't know why. It was a great offer. It is frustrating. But the manager and club president decided against it."

Not even a whiff of wind, despite Ian Ayre doing the negotiating.

In his own words, caught on video: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/641417/Alex-Teixiera-Why-I-did-not-join-Liverpool (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/641417/Alex-Teixiera-Why-I-did-not-join-Liverpool)

All he had to do was say no, especially as his club had been insistent that he wouldn't be leaving until the Summer at least.

It's also rather odd how when the Chinese offered the magical £38M, the asking price didn't shoot up to £53M, like it supposedly had for us.

Looks like his dream to play in the PL and force his way into the Brazilian manager's thoughts by playing in a high profile league have all been bought off by the Chinese.

yes, and a couple of days ago, his club denied any contact with a Chinese club.

the whole thing doesn't sit right.

I think we dodged a bullet.

Maybe no coincidence that moneybags Chelsea pulled out long before us.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 05, 2016, 04:06:53 PM
yes, and a couple of days ago, his club denied any contact with a Chinese club.

the whole thing doesn't sit right.

I think we dodged a bullet.

Maybe no coincidence that moneybags Chelsea pulled out long before us.

There's no doubt the Chinese will have offered him more than we did, but life's about trade-offs sometimes and it's not like he won't be set up for life with any 3 or 4 year contract we'd have offered.

We need players that 'want to play for us' above all other considerations. Players who appreciate the history of the club, don't wilt under so-called expectations because of it and want to be a part of recreating that history.
Klopp as the manager appears to fit that particular bill, now we need some players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 05, 2016, 05:45:52 PM
From: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3433303/Alex-Teixeira-Liverpool-s-proposal-did-not-contain-concrete-offer-came-China-m-there.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3433303/Alex-Teixeira-Liverpool-s-proposal-did-not-contain-concrete-offer-came-China-m-there.html)

Alex Teixeira has insisted that Liverpool never made him a concrete offer to move to the Barclays Premier League after sealing his £40million transfer to the Chinese Super League.

Seeing as we hadn't agreed a fee with his club, we therefore wouldn't have had their permission to discuss personal terms with him, something we require. To have discussed terms and made a 'concrete offer' would have constituted an illegal approach. The transfer never reached the stage of legitimately discussing personal terms, so it would have been extremely hard to put a 'concrete offer' to him.

So I guess his complaint boils down to the fact that we didn't make an illegal approach to him.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 06, 2016, 05:31:00 PM
A top goalkeeper and a centre half has to be priority this Summer.

I know the Benteke/Sturridge issues suggest a forward should be added to that list, but I'd still like to see Ings and Origi given time with Klopp, as unlike with our defence, we don't yet know what we reallyhave with those two in addition to Firmino.

Lewandowski wasn't an instant hit and Vardy (this season at least) has shown that 'names' aren't always the best or ultimate solution.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 07, 2016, 09:54:22 PM
Despite Klopp stating there was nothing in it, the 'Sturridge to leave' bandwagon rolls on at an ever increasing pace. He supposedly wants to 'go back to London because of the criticism' - what they don't have the internet in London?
We're supposedly asking around £30M. Newcastle (despite being barely on the outskirts of London) are being heavily linked. £200M to Newcastle, the cheeky Andy Carroll selling rascals, them.

No doubt at the start of next week it'll be we're offering him a new 5 year deal for £200K a week, with 'non-appearance' bonuses in it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 08, 2016, 09:52:59 PM
Yipperty Yee-haw: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2000191024/mario-balotelli-set-for-a-move-back-to-liverpool (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2000191024/mario-balotelli-set-for-a-move-back-to-liverpool)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 13, 2016, 11:41:14 PM
From:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3446034/Fit-Daniel-Sturridge-no-longer-casts-shadow-Jurgen-Klopp-doesn-t-want-sign-Champions-League-glory-hunters.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3446034/Fit-Daniel-Sturridge-no-longer-casts-shadow-Jurgen-Klopp-doesn-t-want-sign-Champions-League-glory-hunters.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

Liverpool face a pivotal month which will go along way to assessing their chances of getting into the Champions League next season, either through their Premier League position or the Europa League.

At the moment, neither looks likely but Klopp insists it won't change his recruitment plans in the summer because he doesn't want players at the club who are only attracted by playing in Europe's biggest competition.

'If a player only wants to come to us to play in the Champions League, short-term ideas are always silly. I don't like this. I don't like it when players say 'Ah, but you're not in the Champions League. We want to get you because we want to play in the Champions League.

'If you don't want to help us, and want to jump on a running train, then go somewhere else. That's it.

'You need the right mentality and quality. That's how it is. If there's a player who won't join Liverpool because we don't play in the Champions League or will only join because we're in the Champions League, that's not for us.'
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 14, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Klopp insists it won't change his recruitment plans in the summer because he doesn't want players at the club who are only attracted by playing in Europe's biggest competition.

'If a player only wants to come to us to play in the Champions League, short-term ideas are always silly. I don't like this. I don't like it when players say 'Ah, but you're not in the Champions League. We want to get you because we want to play in the Champions League.

'If you don't want to help us, and want to jump on a running train, then go somewhere else. That's it.

'You need the right mentality and quality. That's how it is. If there's a player who won't join Liverpool because we don't play in the Champions League or will only join because we're in the Champions League, that's not for us.'


I just keep loving Klopp, more and more.

This guy has it spot on.

He has more brains in his big toe, than Rodgers has in his entire brain.

If Johnny Come Lately doesn't fancy coming to Liverpool, and isntead wants the big lights of Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester or London, then excellent - we dodged a bulle.t. 

I don't want airheads, egos, arrogance, and sh,teheads around the club.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 14, 2016, 04:43:23 PM
I just keep loving Klopp, more and more.

This guy has it spot on.

He has more brains in his big toe, than Rodgers has in his entire brain.

If Johnny Come Lately doesn't fancy coming to Liverpool, and isntead wants the big lights of Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester or London, then excellent - we dodged a bulle.t. 

I don't want airheads, egos, arrogance, and sh,teheads around the club.

The players he had at Dortmund all appeared to love being at the club. There were very few that once they'd become 'names', then agitated to leave. He bought quite a few players into the club, and apart from probably Mkhitaryan, none of them were 'names' to any degree at all.
It's interesting when you look at their squad, pretty much all those who have become household names, are still their. That says a lot about the club itself.

I think it's more befitting of who we are as a club, that we get back to making our own 'stars', rather than signing other people's. By altering the mindset of the club and the transfer policy, I think we'll also massively lessen the risk of what we've done too much of recently, and that's by 'flavours of the month', players who are having a good season (with no previous record of such) or who have had one good season.

Since our last title our best and most influential players have been those that weren't huge names - they were either unknowns like Hyypia, or those who were just starting to possibly suggest great things like Alonso or Suarez.

When you look at the likes of City, despite their collection of names throughout the squad, not just the first eleven, they have under performed for what you would think would be the 'collective level' when you looked at all those individuals.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 14, 2016, 08:02:13 PM
I think it's more befitting of who we are as a club, that we get back to making our own 'stars', rather than signing other people's. By altering the mindset of the club and the transfer policy, I think we'll also massively lessen the risk of what we've done too much of recently, and that's by 'flavours of the month', players who are having a good season (with no previous record of such) or who have had one good season.

Since our last title our best and most influential players have been those that weren't huge names - they were either unknowns like Hyypia, or those who were just starting to possibly suggest great things like Alonso or Suarez.

When you look at the likes of City, despite their collection of names throughout the squad, not just the first eleven, they have under performed for what you would think would be the 'collective level' when you looked at all those individuals.

agreed.

if you were a City shareholder, you;d be very disappointed at the return on your transfer investments.

Suppose same with us and Everton.  Everton exist on peanuts - and yet we are only marginally better than them, results-wise in recent years.

If I ran the club, I would have the best scouting system that I could muster.  If we are to build, we need the proper people in the background - finding and bringing people through.

As you mention, we need new lads of the ilk, of Sami Hyppia.   To find gems, we need good scouts.  Any body can spend big money, on (as you say) flavours of the month.  But the gems are out there, to be brought in for much less money.  But we do not have the scouting system to find them.  imho    I hope Klopp, and his German colleagues, can help change that.

When we do spend big money, it should be the exception.  And that player should offer genuine quality, i.e. walk straight into the team - and be a true red-type player - good character, top of his game, good team player, right attitude, etc.

The big money that we have spent in recent years, has been thrown away. 

I think FSG would be wise to take note of the fan unrest - I suspect that the unrest is not merely linked to ticket prices.   Fans want the club run properly. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 14, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
I think FSG would be wise to take note of the fan unrest - I suspect that the unrest is not merely linked to ticket prices.   Fans want the club run properly.

That's exactly what I thought when it was reported a quarter of the crowd left in the 77th minute. It can't just be about ticket prices, though it's a huge issue. This was an opportunity to make a point, and people took it brilliantly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 14, 2016, 10:06:41 PM

if you were a City shareholder, you;d be very disappointed at the return on your transfer investments.


City's collection of great players lost 2-1 at home to the team that Pochettino is putting together at Spurs.

City should have won the league for the last 3 seasons in a row. It will be interesting to see if Guardiola can cut on a wet and windy November night in Stoke.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 15, 2016, 03:43:03 PM
Schalke announce that we have signed a pre-contract agreement with their defender/midfielder:

24-year-old Schalke centre half Joel Matip

Great news.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 15, 2016, 04:19:38 PM
Matip has revealed that he decided to join Liverpool as he wanted to experience something 'completely new'.

In a message to Schalke supporters, Matip has explained his reasons for rejecting a new contract with the club.

"I have always said that there is only one reason I would leave Schalke - to experience something completely new.  For that reason, I never considered a move to another Bundesliga club."

"Even though the decision wasn’t easy, I am certain that this is the right moment for me to take the next step in my career."

Seems like a good lad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 15, 2016, 04:24:24 PM
Meanwhile, at the other end of the decent human being spectrum.

AC Milan coach Sinisa Mihajlovic has hinted that Liverpool striker Mario Balotelli may have played his last match on loan for the Rossoneri – after a plodding two minute substitute appearance for Milan yesterday.

Milan were leading Genoa 2-0 when Balotelli was introduced for Carlos Bacca, and in that time Genoa pulled a goal back.

But even though Milan won the match 2-1 coach Mihajlovic saw enough to rap: “We should’ve scored a third goal and not risked at the end. It is also my fault, as those who don’t sacrifice themselves for the team to the 94th minute will no longer set foot on the field."

“It wasn’t just Balotelli, there were another two or three as well as him, they know who I’m talking about.”

Balotelli has made just 11 appearances for Milan this term and scored just twice.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 15, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
That's exactly what I thought when it was reported a quarter of the crowd left in the 77th minute. It can't just be about ticket prices, though it's a huge issue. This was an opportunity to make a point, and people took it brilliantly.

agreed.

I think the natives are getting restless.   And it goes way beyond ticket prices.

FSG would be wise to up their game, and stop acting like know-it-all emperors from the laughably finest country in the world.

I would sack those who brought Ballotelli to the club.  I would sack those who had any part in the scouting and recruitment of Benteke.  The transfer committee has to be dismantled.   Maybe they can brush floors, mow grass, or clean boots. But they sure as heck can play no part in recruiting players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 15, 2016, 11:37:33 PM
agreed.

I think the natives are getting restless.   And it goes way beyond ticket prices.

FSG would be wise to up their game, and stop acting like know-it-all emperors from the laughably finest country in the world.

I would sack those who brought Ballotelli to the club.  I would sack those who had any part in the scouting and recruitment of Benteke.  The transfer committee has to be dismantled.   Maybe they can brush floors, mow grass, or clean boots. But they sure as heck can play no part in recruiting players.

Hopefully Klopp doesn't just get the final say, but the total say in both how we recruit and also the individuals responsible and who is involved in any part of the process.

He worked closely with a sporting director at Dortmund and I have no problem if he chooses to place a similar sort of person in charge as long as he is following Klopp's instructions and requirements. Unlike in the past, because of the global nature of scouting, Klopp isn't going to be able to watch as many potential signings as managers possibly did in the past and there's a lot more to co-ordinate so he'll need assistance with that, but having a stats/numbers guy and someone from the US as part of the actual final football based decision making is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 15, 2016, 11:56:57 PM
Schalke announce that we have signed a pre-contract agreement with their defender/midfielder:

24-year-old Schalke centre half Joel Matip

Great news.

Klopp seems to have had his radar firmly set on Matip since he got here, and I'd imagine, well before that too. He didn't do a bad job when bringing in Subotic and Hummels, especially as he'd brought Subotic with him from Mainz.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 17, 2016, 06:00:11 PM
Klopp seems to have had his radar firmly set on Matip since he got here, and I'd imagine, well before that too. He didn't do a bad job when bringing in Subotic and Hummels, especially as he'd brought Subotic with him from Mainz.

agreed.

he looks like a really good acquisition.   He may take a year or two to get up to the physical challenge of the premiership....but everything else, he looks very good.

and tho a central defender, he scores goals!!!    Very good header of the ball.  Very good positional sense.

I was reading that that ratings-wise, he was rated 16th best Bundesliga player.  That is impressive.

Klopp says only 4 clubs in Germany could have afforded to buy him.

The fact the lad would not join another German club (18 years at Schawke) - and was a free at the end of his contract - and obviously knew Klopp....is an angle for Liverpool to exploit.  Klopp will know that market well, and can maybe exploit it....and for cheap money/free.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on February 19, 2016, 09:42:06 PM
agreed.

he looks like a really good acquisition.   He may take a year or two to get up to the physical challenge of the premiership....but everything else, he looks very good.

and tho a central defender, he scores goals!!!    Very good header of the ball.  Very good positional sense.

I was reading that that ratings-wise, he was rated 16th best Bundesliga player.  That is impressive.

Klopp says only 4 clubs in Germany could have afforded to buy him.

The fact the lad would not join another German club (18 years at Schawke) - and was a free at the end of his contract - and obviously knew Klopp....is an angle for Liverpool to exploit.  Klopp will know that market well, and can maybe exploit it....and for cheap money/free.

He also seems like the loyal, level headed sort too, so hopefully he'll fit in well and fall in love with the club as so many ex players have done. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on February 19, 2016, 10:45:19 PM
He also seems like the loyal, level headed sort too, so hopefully he'll fit in well and fall in love with the club as so many ex players have done.

good point.

the type of lad that understands loyalty, and will appreciate the Kop being loved by the fans.

a love affair in the offing - between him and the Kop.

Klopp will have no doubt already sold him on the club and the fans.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on March 02, 2016, 07:08:17 PM
From: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/649122/Our-man-Paul-Joyce-reveals-Jurgen-Klopp-wants-sign-sell-Liverpool-overhaul-News-Gossip (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/649122/Our-man-Paul-Joyce-reveals-Jurgen-Klopp-wants-sign-sell-Liverpool-overhaul-News-Gossip)

Liverpool need a new spine. When Carlo Ancelotti was sounded out to succeed Brendan Rodgers back in October, he made that very point to owners, Fenway Sports Group.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on March 29, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/656381/Exclusive-Paul-Joyce-on-World-Cup-winner-Mario-Gotze-s-20m-move-to-Liverpool (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/656381/Exclusive-Paul-Joyce-on-World-Cup-winner-Mario-Gotze-s-20m-move-to-Liverpool)

Gotze for sub £20M? Interesting. Gotze, imho, moved at too young an age to Bayern, and if there's someone who could put his career back on track and help him realise his early potential, then Klopp has to be one of the favourites. It would have to mean someone like Lallana moving on, but then depending on the sums involved both ways, we could be acquiring Gotze for just a few £M. As I said, interesting.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on March 29, 2016, 06:27:30 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/656381/Exclusive-Paul-Joyce-on-World-Cup-winner-Mario-Gotze-s-20m-move-to-Liverpool (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/656381/Exclusive-Paul-Joyce-on-World-Cup-winner-Mario-Gotze-s-20m-move-to-Liverpool)

Gotze for sub £20M? Interesting. Gotze, imho, moved at too young an age to Bayern, and if there's someone who could put his career back on track and help him realise his early potential, then Klopp has to be one of the favourites. It would have to mean someone like Lallana moving on, but then depending on the sums involved both ways, we could be acquiring Gotze for just a few £M. As I said, interesting.

yes, I was blown away by the 15 to 20 million for Mario Gotze too.

the guy is technically world class - is well used to Klopp's pressing system - can score goals - whether operating as an attacking midfielder, striker, or he can even play on the wing.

lallanha has been playing well this past month - I think he is being advised by Klopp to react quicker - quicker flicks, quicker passes, being aware quicker of colleagues positions, etc.  He has definitely improved with his performances - but still no goals of note.  I am unsure if he will let him go, or not.  Lalanha would be a good squad player - someone to bring on, or fill in for injuries. 

I imagine we will be letting the other midfielder Joe Allen move on this summer.

No matter what way you look at it - bringing Gotze in, will be a major upgrade to our existing midfield/attack.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on March 29, 2016, 10:44:47 PM
yes, I was blown away by the 15 to 20 million for Mario Gotze too.

the guy is technically world class - is well used to Klopp's pressing system - can score goals - whether operating as an attacking midfielder, striker, or he can even play on the wing.

lallanha has been playing well this past month - I think he is being advised by Klopp to react quicker - quicker flicks, quicker passes, being aware quicker of colleagues positions, etc.  He has definitely improved with his performances - but still no goals of note.  I am unsure if he will let him go, or not.  Lalanha would be a good squad player - someone to bring on, or fill in for injuries. 

I imagine we will be letting the other midfielder Joe Allen move on this summer.

No matter what way you look at it - bringing Gotze in, will be a major upgrade to our existing midfield/attack.

Gotze's contract runs out next Summer and with Bayern not offering him a new one in their latest round of contract offers, I guess they're prepared to cash in.

My thinking with maybe Lallana moving on is whether he'd be prepaid to play a lesser role, and would Klopp have to do some juggling of the payroll in order to accomodate Gotze. The owners would probably prefer to see 'a Lallana sold for every Gotze bought' sort of thing.

In terms of the squad, if Klopp looks like favouring (though not exclusively) a 4-2-3-1, then Lallana only makes it 4 into 3, alongside Gotze, Firmino and Coutinho, so we'd hardly be overmanned, but the owners could see it differently. Additionally, Coutinho and Lallana always have a period of injury, so in terms of squad numbers it's sensible to keep Lallana. Wage bill numbers may say different though, as even with clearing out several peripheral players, I'd imagine our overall wage bill would still rise, unless the rumoured £50M PSG interest in Sturridge turns into something concrete, and even then, you'd think he'd have to be replaced, whether Benteke stays or not.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on March 29, 2016, 11:05:46 PM
Trimming the fat would make our payroll just fine, even with top class additions.

Getting rid of Balotelli and Benteke is almost £200k p/w right there. Moving on the likes of Skrtel, Moreno, Lucas, Allen, Enrique and maybe even Milner (but I think he'll stay) would keep our salary in check.

I'd rather have one player on £180k p/w than two on £90k p/w
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on March 29, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
Trimming the fat would make our payroll just fine, even with top class additions.

Getting rid of Balotelli and Benteke is almost £200k p/w right there. Moving on the likes of Skrtel, Moreno, Lucas, Allen, Enrique and maybe even Milner (but I think he'll stay) would keep our salary in check.

I'd rather have one player on £180k p/w than two on £90k p/w

Some of the fat may be easier to trim and the leaner the fat the easier trimmed but smaller the saving.

It would depend who you were paying the respective salaries to, but I know what you're meaning, and I agree, but as we've seen in the past, getting rid of players that are on a salary which is not likely to be equalled at any of the standard of clubs they're likely to attract, is far easier to create the wish list than achieve it.

Out of the list for example, Skrtel could be more difficult than it would appear. Previous links have been with Italian clubs and they wouldn't equal what he's on here. Ditto Moreno, unless it's Barca or Real.
Lucas and Allen would go after first team football, so shouldn't be a chore. Enrique's thankfully out of contract, but Milner could prove hard to shift, despite his professionalism etc.

Benteke would require a moneybags club to match his salary and would anyone want to pay out both a transfer fee and salary commensurate with his Anfield one for Balotelli?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on March 29, 2016, 11:49:54 PM
Watford explore summer moves for Liverpool pair Joe Allen and Jordon Ibe

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/29/liverpool-joe-allen-jordon-ibe-watford-summer-transfer (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/29/liverpool-joe-allen-jordon-ibe-watford-summer-transfer)

Swansea might have something to say about Allen, now Rodgers will be back there from the end of this season, and maybe Ibe on loan rather than a permanent sale at this point.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on March 30, 2016, 04:01:40 PM
Trimming the fat would make our payroll just fine, even with top class additions.

Getting rid of Balotelli and Benteke is almost £200k p/w right there. Moving on the likes of Skrtel, Moreno, Lucas, Allen, Enrique and maybe even Milner (but I think he'll stay) would keep our salary in check.

I'd rather have one player on £180k p/w than two on £90k p/w

Skrtel, Allen and Enrique, definitely.....altho Allen has impressed me, these past 4 months, with his effort when called upon.  Klopp has used him well.

Moving on Balotelli and Benteke may prove hard - given the big wages they are on.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on March 30, 2016, 04:04:52 PM
https://youtu.be/0_ICqnQVJdg (https://youtu.be/0_ICqnQVJdg)

Mario Gotze.

as well as scoring the second German goal - just look at 2 minutes 20 seconds above, for Super Mario's awesome back-heel-drag type flick, that entirely opens up the Italian defence, and allows Hector to score the third goal.

World class.

And it's those type of quick flicks/reactions that I have been seeing Lallahana starting to do in recent weeks.  I think Klopp's training techniques are working their magic at Melwood.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on March 30, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/656901/Liverpool-Transfer-Mario-Balotelli-China-transfer-gossip-news (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/656901/Liverpool-Transfer-Mario-Balotelli-China-transfer-gossip-news)

Please make it happen. It's our only chance of being rid of him, outside of paying up the remainder of his contract.

Some players will be harder to shift than it would appear on the surface.

Some know this is the biggest contract they're ever likely to have so will do everything to realise it's value.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on April 02, 2016, 11:47:27 PM
Liverpool vs Everton transfer battle over Alexandre Lacazette looms with both clubs looking for a new striker

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-vs-everton-transfer-battle-7675543 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-vs-everton-transfer-battle-7675543)


The best we can hope for re Benteke is that we can sell him for what his replacement costs, especially if there's a grain of truth in Lacazette being available for £22M. Whilst it would seem like we'd lose £10.5M, our actual loss, at least in the accounts would be far less. I can't remember the length of contract Benteke signed, but if it was a 4 year one, then his value in the accounts will be around £24M, so Lacazette for £22M would only represent a £2M loss approximately, excluding fees and possibly VAT.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on April 03, 2016, 03:38:53 AM
Liverpool vs Everton transfer battle over Alexandre Lacazette looms with both clubs looking for a new striker

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-vs-everton-transfer-battle-7675543 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-vs-everton-transfer-battle-7675543)


The best we can hope for re Benteke is that we can sell him for what his replacement costs, especially if there's a grain of truth in Lacazette being available for £22M. Whilst it would seem like we'd lose £10.5M, our actual loss, at least in the accounts would be far less. I can't remember the length of contract Benteke signed, but if it was a 4 year one, then his value in the accounts will be around £24M, so Lacazette for £22M would only represent a £2M loss approximately, excluding fees and possibly VAT.

Lanzarote - why does the club buy players who I cannot spell.  This seems to be a recurring theme.

it sounds like Klopp is gonna make a lot of changes this summer.

Yes, if we could get rid of Benteke, and even make a loss of a few millions, it would be great business.  To be honest, while the going is good, I would ship out Sturridge too.   I do not like his attitude.  He was at it again today when subbed.   And the lad seems to think he is world class and indispensable.  Nope, not for a second.    Far better players have come and gone.

We need a new central defence partnership - maybe two new men in there - maybe Lovren can be one, I dunno. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on April 06, 2016, 03:01:45 PM
Liverpool striker deal: Club ready £37m bid for international ace, player wants move ATLETICO MADRID will reportedly get financial help to lodge a big-money bid for Liverpool striker Christian Benteke this summer.http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/658669/Atletico-Madrid-Liverpool-Qatari-money-Christian-Benteke-transfer (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/658669/Atletico-Madrid-Liverpool-Qatari-money-Christian-Benteke-transfer)

please let it be so!





Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on April 11, 2016, 01:04:56 AM
Liverpool striker deal: Club ready £37m bid for international ace, player wants move ATLETICO MADRID will reportedly get financial help to lodge a big-money bid for Liverpool striker Christian Benteke this summer.http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/658669/Atletico-Madrid-Liverpool-Qatari-money-Christian-Benteke-transfer (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/658669/Atletico-Madrid-Liverpool-Qatari-money-Christian-Benteke-transfer)

please let it be so!

Wow. If they do that we'll throw in a free Balotelli by way of showing our gratitude. Anything over £30M would be a real coup, as we once again showed our ability to vastly overpay for a seemingly square peg.

Hopefully Klopp will educate our owners over the next few seasons and show them that paying huge sums for established PL players is not the way to go. Investing that money in a strong, keen eyed scouting network and setup at the club will reap far bigger dividends, and that there are both better quality and value outside of the PL, and that a PL player is not guaranteed to be any more successful if they're stepping up from playing for a club with lesser expectations than our's.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on April 11, 2016, 04:43:00 PM
Hopefully Klopp will educate our owners over the next few seasons and show them that paying huge sums for established PL players is not the way to go. Investing that money in a strong, keen eyed scouting network and setup at the club will reap far bigger dividends, and that there are both better quality and value outside of the PL

absolutely.

And look at Man City - and what a poor return their owners have had, despite all their massive spending on players.

They key as you say, is a top notch scouting network.

But I must say, Klopp and his own people, seem to have effectively made the old Transfer Committee redundant.  The players we are now linked to, seem to be all initiated by Klopp and his inner circle. 

And on a similar vein.  I was reading over the weekend, that their Boston franchise is not doing so well either - and that FSG are admititng that entirely focussing on data crunching (moneyball) was not maybe the right way to go.  Maybe their arrogance has been lanced.  Maybe they will now allow industry-savy people, to build a proper team/squad.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on April 11, 2016, 04:48:27 PM
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/506449964.jpg?w=748&h=498&crop=1)

Liverpool target Piotr Zielinski has confirmed that he has had transfer talks with Reds boss Jurgen Klopp.

Zielinski, who is currently on loan at Empoli from Udinese, is being strongly linked with a move to Anfield and his comments would suggest he could be joining the Merseyside outfit in the near future.

‘There is a lot of truth in rumours about Liverpool, Jurgen Klopp is interested in me, we had some talks,’ Zielinski told Polish outlet Sportowe Fakty.

‘I’m not thinking too much about it right now though, I’ve still got few games to play for Empoli and after that there is still Euro 2016 in France.’

Klopp is filling our future central midfield out with top notch emerging talent from Eastern Europe.

As a German, I imagine he knows that market very well.  I wonder how many Eastern Europeans he had at Dortmund.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on April 18, 2016, 11:38:41 PM
There were a trio of Poles:

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2013/04/02/where-borussia-dortmunds-trio-of-star-polish-players-could-be-heading-in-the-premier-league/ (http://worldsoccertalk.com/2013/04/02/where-borussia-dortmunds-trio-of-star-polish-players-could-be-heading-in-the-premier-league/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on April 24, 2016, 10:49:07 AM
Now it really is 'silly season':

Man United want to sell star winger: Liverpool could snap him up on cheap

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/510371/Memphis-Man-United-transfer-news (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/510371/Memphis-Man-United-transfer-news)


"He has been criticised for his lacklustre displays on the pitch and his flashy lifestyle off it.".

Sounds exactly like the sort of player Klopp would fight tooth and nail for to bring into the squad. Not. Definitely not.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on April 24, 2016, 10:54:10 AM
Milan ask Liverpool for Balotelli

http://www.football-italia.net/83291/milan-ask-liverpool-balotelli (http://www.football-italia.net/83291/milan-ask-liverpool-balotelli)

No more loans. Buy him outright for hard cash. £10M. By Milan wanting him they've just upped his valuation.

Outright purchase and we don't subsidise his wages either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 02, 2016, 04:12:33 PM
After yet another game where we concede 3 goals, and with Skrtel at the heart of the defence, I think it's safe to say 2 centre halves are the absolute minimum requirement this Summer.

Until we know definitely, then we have to exclude Sakho for next season. Skrtel has to be upgraded and sold, no question about it, but even two new centre halves leaves us with Lovren, Matip, new centre half + Gomez.
We don't know how long term injury will affect Gomez, and he's only a rookie anyway.

After all that money spent and two successive seasons of transition bedding in multiple signings, next season should have been one of stability.
It's looking like 4 of the back 5 will have to be new faces, in addition to at least one starter in midfield. Half a new team yet again to bed in.

Smith's done himself no favours and with us being linked with several left backs, including Caner Erkin who's on a free, Cologne’s Jonas Hector (valuation circa £6.5M), Leicester's Ben Chilwell (no doubt the most expensive) and Lorient's Raphael Guerreiro, we could even see two new left backs. 

Whether it's worth trying to convert Moreno to a left winger or left sided attacker, I'm not sure, and where and how would he fit in the team in that sort of position anyway?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 03, 2016, 11:24:14 PM
Leicester ace ready to quit Premier League champions: Will snub Arsenal to join Liverpool

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/512541/Leicester-Ben-Chilwell-keen-join-Liverpool-over-Arsenal (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/512541/Leicester-Ben-Chilwell-keen-join-Liverpool-over-Arsenal)


He'd no doubt be an upgrade on Brad Smith, but is he ready or good enough to be first choice?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 03, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
Arsenal keen on shock deal for Liverpool ace: Two other Premier League sides keen

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/512641/Arsenal-Liverpool-Premier-League-Tottenham-Jordon-Ibe-transfer-news (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/512641/Arsenal-Liverpool-Premier-League-Tottenham-Jordon-Ibe-transfer-news)

Sending him out on loan seems unlikely considering Klopp's comments about loans when he first arrived. Ibe hasn't pushed on enough as expected this season, but it'll be interesting to see what Klopp decides to do with him.

The problem is he's not so 'young' anymore and he's not really showing consistent signs of being able to have an impact around the first team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 05, 2016, 09:54:43 AM
Jurgen Klopp to ask Roberto Firmino to help Liverpool complete major summer signing - LIVERPOOL are monitoring Hoffenheim forward Kevin Volland

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/513024/Kevin-Volland-Hoffenheim-Liverpool-Transfer-News-Signing-Firmino-Gossip-Rumour-Latest (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/513024/Kevin-Volland-Hoffenheim-Liverpool-Transfer-News-Signing-Firmino-Gossip-Rumour-Latest)

With Klopp's preference for seemingly playing one up front, and having Origi, Ings and Studge for that position, it makes sense to add a 'flexible' attacker to Firmino, Coutinho and Lallana, as that would give us 4 players for those 3 positions, and if someone like Volland signs, who can play as a more conventional striker, then we have strength in depth amongst the strikers in case of an injury or three.

Interestingly we're also being linked with more traditional wingers too, suggesting Klopp would like the flexibility of playing with a winger as one of the three behind a striker, or maybe playing with a midfield four sometimes, either in a diamond, or a 4 across midfield with a traditional winger as one of the four, and either two strikers or one up and one off.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 05, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Rangers set to beat Tottenham and Man City to frustrated Liverpool youngster

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/667311/Liverpool-transfer-news-Rangers-Tottenham-Man-City-Premier-League-news-gossip-rumours (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/667311/Liverpool-transfer-news-Rangers-Tottenham-Man-City-Premier-League-news-gossip-rumours)

It's sad to a degree, but looking at his recent injury history, it's hard to get first team football when injured and managers need to rely on a player's resilence -

Season 14/15   Malleolar injury    - from Jan 29, 2015    to Aug 13, 2015 - 196 days - 24 games missed

Season 15/16   Muscle fibre -  from Oct 15, 2015 to   Dec 3, 2015 - 49 days - 11 games missed
                             Hamstring Injury - Dec 10, 2015 to present - 147 days -  36 games missed

I'm not sure whether he's recovered from his hamstring injury, but according to transfermarkt, he's still injured.
                       
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 07, 2016, 12:58:37 AM
One of the best signings we could make this Summer is to prise Atletico Madrid's goalkeeping coach, Pablo Vercellone, away.

When you look how much Courtois improved whilst he was there on loan for those three seasons, and now he seems to be doing a similar job with Jan Oblak.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 13, 2016, 09:57:06 PM
We could do worse than look at Corentin Tolisso of Lyon, who's a defensive midfielder, who can also play right back. He's 21 and under contract for another 4 years. Signed a five year deal last Summer.

6ft tall - 5 goals and 6 assists in the league (33 games), 1 goal in 3 French cup matches and 1 goal in 2 French league cup matches, is some going for a defensive midfielder. He also has 3 goals in 15 French U-21 matches.

It's always good to have the goals spread throughout the team.

Of course Arsenal are being linked with. Then again, they're regular linked with half the players in Ligue 1.

Just to put his goalscoring into some sort of context - Lallana, 4 goals, 6 assists in 30 league games.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on May 14, 2016, 08:46:28 PM
Zielinski's in the bag and Grujic will be coming so I can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 17, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
Zielinski's in the bag and Grujic will be coming so I can't see it happening.

Different players.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on May 20, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
So it seems like for this summer so far the players we are linked with are:-

Gotze - my rating in terms of coming - 2.5/5
Zielinski - 4/5
Hector - 2.5/5
Chilwell - 4/5
Karius - 3/5
Dahoud - 1/5

Hopefully more to come.........we need it!



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 22, 2016, 02:49:48 PM
So it seems like for this summer so far the players we are linked with are:-

Gotze - my rating in terms of coming - 2.5/5
Zielinski - 4/5
Hector - 2.5/5
Chilwell - 4/5
Karius - 3/5
Dahoud - 1/5

Hopefully more to come.........we need it!

Karius seems to this week's favoured German goalkeeper. I wonder who's next.

It seems the normal thing to quote Karius as competition for Mignolet, rather than an upgrade or replacement.

Likewise with Ben Chilwell in relation to Moreno.

Surely both Mignolet and Moreno need replacing and definitely upgrading upon, not merely having competition.

Is Ben Chilwell good enough to be first choice left back?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 22, 2016, 04:10:53 PM
So it seems like for this summer so far the players we are linked with are:-

Gotze - my rating in terms of coming - 2.5/5
Zielinski - 4/5
Hector - 2.5/5
Chilwell - 4/5
Karius - 3/5
Dahoud - 1/5

Hopefully more to come.........we need it!

Add Danny Drinkwater (I can hear Martin's cheers from here) and this week's German centre half, Niklas Sule to the list, along with Shane Long. Yes, that link has resurfaced, and another striker we're getting linked with is Edin Dzeko. If we're going to sign Man City related strikers then I'd prefer Aguero.

Newly promoted Italian club Crotone are being linked with Balotelli. They really would end up in the soup if they signed him, but at least we'd be rid.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 22, 2016, 04:17:01 PM
The Gotze rumours seem to be intensifying daily. More lazy journalism and wishful fan site thinking.

However...............
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on May 30, 2016, 12:27:44 AM
Apparently Higuain wants to come to Anfield to play under Klopp.

That would definitely be interesting.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2016, 11:08:30 PM
Now we've signed Klarius, can we please get him a proper goalkeeping coach to work with.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on June 09, 2016, 06:56:29 PM
No news...........hopefully going about our business quietly.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on June 11, 2016, 03:14:08 PM
No news...........hopefully going about our business quietly.

Exactly. Conducting our business under the radar of the media.

It's amazing how many players we've been 'snubbed' or 'rejected' by already. The media create the 'link', then we're discussing terms with either the player or club, or Klopp's rung the player personally (his phone bill must be huge already) and then we get 'snubbed' when they sign for someone.  ;D

It used to be Spurs that were linked with every player we were, now it's Dortmund, and they've already 'beaten' us to two signings.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on June 24, 2016, 12:34:44 PM
with the collapse of the pound overnight, european teams can now afford to take Balotelli off our hands.

always a silver lining.

 :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
so we raid Southampton again - 5 players in 3 years.

tho he can be inconsistent, on his day, this lad Mane can be unplayable.

tho we did hear the same re the big lad we bought last year from Villa.   And sure enough he was unplayable - i.e. not good enough toplay for us.

a lot of money - but he has potential to be top class.  Possibly the best player we have taken from the saints.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2016, 10:39:41 PM
amazing that City paid us 50 million quid for Sterling.

they got shafted.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on June 28, 2016, 11:20:55 AM
amazing that City paid us 50 million quid for Sterling.

they got shafted.

I don't think there's any transfer fee that is surprising any more. £32.5M for Benteke felt like a huge fee last Summer, but we've nearly equaled that now with Mane. Transfer fee inflation has surged once again this Summer.

Apparently Rodgers turned down Mane when he was put forward by the TC, and at an asking price of £12M, and ending up with Balotelli.

If Klopp can channel his (Mane's) undoubted talent into consistent performances, in a couple of seasons time it may look like a bargain.
He adds pace to our attack, something we lack, and his goals/chances/assists record is far better than Lallana's, and like Lallana, he's an 'attacker' rather than a striker.
It gives us a dimension of counter attacking at real speed, which we haven't really had, and he should create space and a 'man over' situation as he'll get doubled up against. It's then up to our players to take advantage of that.

Satisfied with the signing, and I'm almost beyond the point of considering the fees anymore as they're all ridiculously overpriced.

Looking at Klopp's transfer philosophy, albeit with just a few examples to go on, he looks as though he's buying potential and under the radar talent, and looking to 'develop' a team, rather than assemble a collection of finished articles and then try to fashion a team out of that. However, if he identifies a specific player or a role that needs filling but can't be done with a 'currently lesser name', then he will spend a much larger sum to do so.

I think Canos has been badly advised, and stupid in his own thinking, holding out for £10K a week. The opportunities of first team football and potential development as a footballer is far more important and valuable than any number on a wage slip. The fact that he's been offered a new contract shows that Klopp rates him, and considering Klopp's comments about young players and their wage expectations, make his attitude doubly puzzling. Allegedly, we're putting a buy back clause in any sale deal. Again, another indication that Klopp rates him. He'd be far better advised to sign the deal offered and show he's worth more, and the club have shown themselves willing to increase salaries when a player shows improvement and increased value to the squad and team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on June 30, 2016, 04:34:26 PM
I don't think there's any transfer fee that is surprising any more.

If Klopp can channel his (Mane's) undoubted talent into consistent performances, in a couple of seasons time it may look like a bargain.

He adds pace to our attack, something we lack, and his goals/chances/assists record is far better than Lallana's, and like Lallana, he's an 'attacker' rather than a striker.
It gives us a dimension of counter attacking at real speed, which we haven't really had, and he should create space and a 'man over' situation as he'll get doubled up against. It's then up to our players to take advantage of that.

Satisfied with the signing, and I'm almost beyond the point of considering the fees anymore as they're all ridiculously overpriced.

Looking at Klopp's transfer philosophy, albeit with just a few examples to go on, he looks as though he's buying potential and under the radar talent, and looking to 'develop' a team, rather than assemble a collection of finished articles and then try to fashion a team out of that. However, if he identifies a specific player or a role that needs filling but can't be done with a 'currently lesser name', then he will spend a much larger sum to do so.

I think Canos has been badly advised, and stupid in his own thinking, holding out for £10K a week. The opportunities of first team football and potential development as a footballer is far more important and valuable than any number on a wage slip. The fact that he's been offered a new contract shows that Klopp rates him, and considering Klopp's comments about young players and their wage expectations, make his attitude doubly puzzling. Allegedly, we're putting a buy back clause in any sale deal. Again, another indication that Klopp rates him. He'd be far better advised to sign the deal offered and show he's worth more, and the club have shown themselves willing to increase salaries when a player shows improvement and increased value to the squad and team.

like you, Tes, I think if Klopp can tweak and hine Mane's skills - we may have something special on our hands.

He is inconsistemt - and apparently his timekeeping and temperament can let him down.

But he has skill, great pace and is the type of offensive player that Klopp likes.

Fee - it's amazing what clubs are offering these days......teams like West ham and Palace are offering fortunes this summer for players, and getting turned down.

Re Canos - agreed.  I think he is being badly advised.  Or maybe deep down, he wants big money now - because he knows he is not good enough to develop and break into our first team. 

Far too much money in the game.....and far to many kids are wading in mountains of cash, long before they have developed to their level.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on June 30, 2016, 04:36:05 PM
liverpool to hijack everton marquee signing?

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-transfers/5679-liverpool-fc-set-to-hijack-deal-for-everton-marquee-signing/ (http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-transfers/5679-liverpool-fc-set-to-hijack-deal-for-everton-marquee-signing/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2016, 11:09:08 PM
From: http://live4liverpool.com/2016/07/lfc-news/juve-challenge-liverpool-for-italian-star/ (http://live4liverpool.com/2016/07/lfc-news/juve-challenge-liverpool-for-italian-star/)

Juventus and Liverpool will fight it out over Lazio goalkeeper Federico Marchetti, according to Gazzetta World, the English version of the Italian newspaper La Gazzetta Dello Sport.

The Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp is said to be an admirer of the Italian international and has been tracking the 33 year old in recent months.



If, and I think it's a huge 'if', this were to happen, and I imagine Ward's going out on loan, and Bogdán donated as a tombola prize to some deserving charity, do we have a likely buyer for Mignolet, or are we having 3 keepers in the squad, all at differing stages of their careers?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2016, 11:13:27 PM
liverpool to hijack everton marquee signing?

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-transfers/5679-liverpool-fc-set-to-hijack-deal-for-everton-marquee-signing/ (http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-transfers/5679-liverpool-fc-set-to-hijack-deal-for-everton-marquee-signing/)

I saw this in a few places the other day, but not the link to Everton. He can be a bit of a hothead, but is definitely a step or three up compared to anyone we have in the squad that could be played in his position.

It feels like Allen and Lucas may leave, and it would be interesting to know Klopp's opinion on Hendo, his captaincy apart.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2016, 11:19:34 PM
Palace have had a £25M bid rejected for Benteke, despite him agreeing personal terms. They recently bid £32M for Michy Batshuayi of Marseille, only to be gazumped by Chelsea.

If they stretch to giving us our money back or even £30M, then I think he's gone.

I think he'd do well at Palace, and wish him all the best if he goes there.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 02, 2016, 05:52:14 PM
From: http://live4liverpool.com/2016/07/lfc-news/juve-challenge-liverpool-for-italian-star/ (http://live4liverpool.com/2016/07/lfc-news/juve-challenge-liverpool-for-italian-star/)

Juventus and Liverpool will fight it out over Lazio goalkeeper Federico Marchetti, according to Gazzetta World, the English version of the Italian newspaper La Gazzetta Dello Sport.

The Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp is said to be an admirer of the Italian international and has been tracking the 33 year old in recent months.
    If, and I think it's a huge 'if', this were to happen, and I imagine Ward's going out on loan, and Bogdán donated as a tombola prize to some deserving charity, do we have a likely buyer for Mignolet, or are we having 3 keepers in the squad, all at differing stages of their careers?

Bogdan  :D

it's complex and way beyond my brain-power. 

Is the new buy, Karius, good enough to slot straight in as our number one.....otherwise, we would be mad to let Mignolet go.   

It's gonna be a massive responsibility on the new keeper, if he is our only main number one.

But will Mignolet want to hang around, if Karius starts in goal in our opening games.

I am totally confused.....even before bringing in the Lazio keeper into the equation.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 02, 2016, 06:19:06 PM
Palace have had a £25M bid rejected for Benteke, despite him agreeing personal terms. They recently bid £32M for Michy Batshuayi of Marseille, only to be gazumped by Chelsea.

If they stretch to giving us our money back or even £30M, then I think he's gone.

I think he'd do well at Palace, and wish him all the best if he goes there.

yes, I think if we get near 30M he will be gone.

transfer fee inflation is now through the roof, with the new TV deal.......so, where normally we would have struggled to get anything near what we paid for Benteke....now, we can get a fair chunk back.

it's good that he and palace had agreed personal terms......his wages (like all our signings, when we try to move them on) were a worry.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 02, 2016, 06:23:12 PM
I saw this in a few places the other day, but not the link to Everton. He can be a bit of a hothead, but is definitely a step or three up compared to anyone we have in the squad that could be played in his position.

It feels like Allen and Lucas may leave, and it would be interesting to know Klopp's opinion on Hendo, his captaincy apart.

i know very little about the player linked.

Allen has came on real well, this past year at Anfield.  And he has had a great euros with Wales.

Lucas is a great lad.....a diamond....always dependable.

I'd be sad to seethem go - but with our new additions, somebody will move on.

Unsure what Klopp makes of Hendo.  I like the lad.  But Klopp will want more threat, and speed, from midfield. 

Maybe that will come from other new additions. 




Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on July 05, 2016, 07:50:54 PM
Hello Hey ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's happening dudes!?

My thoughts so far:-

1) Karius - very good piece of business and hopefully replacing Mignolet straight away. We need calmness in GK something that Mignolet does not have.

2) Mane - Very glad to have him on board. Yes transfer fee is questionable but this summer every transfer fee is going to be questionable! It is the times we live in now. But what attracts me to Mane is his pace and strength. Qualities which are much needed in our attack and like you both I feel Jurgen can iron out his weaknesses and improve his consistency.

3) Zielinski - I pray Napoli sign him - not even good enough to get into a mediocre Poland team and can't make the Udinese team. He is nowhere near the upgrade we need in midfield.

4) This point relates to point number 3. I bloody hope we keep Joe Allen. Allen when he returns to Melwood should go straight to Jurgen and demand to be in the team. Over the past couple of months and at the euros he has been immense. Selling him would be bad. Selling him to buy Zielinski would be ridiculous.

We do need a big upgrade in central midfield but if we cannot attract one this summer (i.e. Dahoud) then we can wait until next summer. With no European football we can have Allen, Henderson, Can and Milner in midfield.

I'm very worried we do not look like replacing the shambolic Moreno.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on July 07, 2016, 06:50:50 PM
£15m for Ibe - Take it and run!!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2016, 06:55:03 PM
£15m for Ibe - Take it and run!!!

Confirms the point you made in 2).

The idea of Bournemouth lashing out £15M on a single player, just goes to highlight the height the madness has now reached.

I wonder if we can trick Guardiola into thinking they signed the wrong winger last Summer and separate them from another £49M, as he's asking questions about Sterling.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2016, 06:58:23 PM
3) Zielinski - I pray Napoli sign him - not even good enough to get into a mediocre Poland team and can't make the Udinese team. He is nowhere near the upgrade we need in midfield.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't see the point of this transfer and can't see what the fuss is all about.

Like you, I'd rather we saved ourselves a fortune, didn't buy and replace for the sake of it, and kept 'Grizzly' Allen.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2016, 07:01:51 PM
I'm very worried we do not look like replacing the shambolic Moreno.

At best, the players we've been linked with seem more like cover, and possible competition. As you say, it's a replacement we need and Moreno's not suited to the left back position, so relegating him to a squad player left back makes no sense either.

Sell! Sell! Sell!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2016, 04:43:08 PM
Liverpool defender Martin Skrtel heads to Istanbul to complete £5.5million Fenerbahce move

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-defender-martin-skrtel-heads-8398498 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-defender-martin-skrtel-heads-8398498)


Thanks, and all the best.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2016, 04:23:59 PM
Hello Hey ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's happening dudes!?

My thoughts so far:-

1) Karius - very good piece of business and hopefully replacing Mignolet straight away. We need calmness in GK something that Mignolet does not have.

2) Mane - Very glad to have him on board. Yes transfer fee is questionable but this summer every transfer fee is going to be questionable! It is the times we live in now. But what attracts me to Mane is his pace and strength. Qualities which are much needed in our attack and like you both I feel Jurgen can iron out his weaknesses and improve his consistency.

3) Zielinski - I pray Napoli sign him - not even good enough to get into a mediocre Poland team and can't make the Udinese team. He is nowhere near the upgrade we need in midfield.

4) This point relates to point number 3. I bloody hope we keep Joe Allen. Allen when he returns to Melwood should go straight to Jurgen and demand to be in the team. Over the past couple of months and at the euros he has been immense. Selling him would be bad. Selling him to buy Zielinski would be ridiculous.

We do need a big upgrade in central midfield but if we cannot attract one this summer (i.e. Dahoud) then we can wait until next summer. With no European football we can have Allen, Henderson, Can and Milner in midfield.

I'm very worried we do not look like replacing the shambolic Moreno.

Hi Edward!!

presently on vacation in UK.....I left the sun behind in the tropics, for grey skies and drizzly UK summer.

Spent first week in Edinburgh - and last two weeks been staying in friend's house near Belfast.  Looking for a flat to buy in city centre.

pretty much agree with all you say.  I don't know why the links to the Polish midfielder keep persisting - he looks very average at best.

joe allen - good at what he does.....sadly not enough threat or end product IMHO (admittedly he did score 2 or 3 really important late goals last seasons).   If we can afford to, and if he agrees to it, I think he is a fine player to bring on during a game.  Whether the lad would accept a bit part contribution, I do not know.

yes, scary that we are no closer to replacing our left back.  PRIORITY!!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 12, 2016, 04:26:04 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/688527/Liverpool-news-Crystal-Palace-Christian-Benteke-agent-reveals-deal-not-happening-transfers (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/688527/Liverpool-news-Crystal-Palace-Christian-Benteke-agent-reveals-deal-not-happening-transfers)

ruddy ell - will we never get rid of Benteke and Balatelli.

*hitting head against the wall, a million times*


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2016, 12:39:15 AM
presently on vacation in UK.....I left the sun behind in the tropics, for grey skies and drizzly UK summer.

Dude, do you remember UK Summers - every third Wednesday, between the third week in June and the 4th week of August.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 13, 2016, 01:01:28 AM
Dude, do you remember UK Summers - every third Wednesday, between the third week in June and the 4th week of August.  ;D

 ::)

exactly, Tes.

been back since June 17th.  I quickly remembered why I had left here, in 2008. 

Goodness, the grey skies just seem to hang forever over the nation.  Must be the competing weather systems.

in Panama, you get clouds moving the whole time - and even if it rains, it is heavy and gone in an hour - and sun comes out again.  And never cold.

In Belfast right now.  Heading to Liverpool and Manchester around 22nd July or so, for a week or two.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 15, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
Lucas looking like he may spend final year of his contract out on loan.

I hope we can get a left back - if Hector was right price, could be a good buy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on July 17, 2016, 10:38:38 PM
Can't say how disheartening this transfer window
We need an upgrade in midfield and spend our time chasing an average polish midfielder who hasn't done anything........finally he seems going elsewhere and now this Wijnaldum story breaks. Wijnaldum is bloody useless and we will finish 7th/8th yet again and wonder what the problem is.

Well the problem is we need a damned upgrade in central midfield and we have the money and Klopp so what is happening? Chelsea show ambition and get Kante who will transform their midfield and make them title contenders in just that one signing alone.

If it takes £40m to sign Dahoud who is clearly a level above our midfielders, will be an upgrade and a future ELITE player SPEND THE DAMNED MONEY!!!!!!!! Make it impossible for Gladbach to turn down.

But no instead we'll spend £20m on a shed player in Wijnaldum, have the same problem of an unproductive midfield and still have the same problem again next year.

Disappointed. What a lack of ambition we are showing this summer.

My prediction is we will finish 8th or 9th. Man C, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have infinitely better teams than us. West Ham, Everton, Stoke are our competitiors next season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 18, 2016, 07:11:55 AM
Tottenham agree deal to sign Georges-Kévin Nkoudou from Marseille for £11m
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 18, 2016, 07:21:37 AM
I feel your pain, Edward  *said in my slow US accent impersonation*

But we have got the Sane lad from Southampton - potentially a very good signing.

For some reason, we are stalling in the market.  We appear to have the money.

We must be keeping our pepper dry for some reason.  Klop must have a few irons in the fire (most notably, a top left-back).

I think that all will become clearer in the next couple of weeks. 

And then our Leicester-like pursuit of the title can begin in earnest.   



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 18, 2016, 11:36:11 AM
(https://scontent-ams3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13696850_1616084195369096_346979233_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI5NjQ3ODI0NjU0Nzc4NTA2Mw%3D%3D.2)


Klopp takes a selfie for a young Wigan fan before last night's friendly at Wigan.

What a boss we have.  Awesome human being.

How many other premiership bosses would dothe above.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2016, 09:13:12 PM
Can't say how disheartening this transfer window
We need an upgrade in midfield and spend our time chasing an average polish midfielder who hasn't done anything........finally he seems going elsewhere and now this Wijnaldum story breaks. Wijnaldum is bloody useless and we will finish 7th/8th yet again and wonder what the problem is.

Well the problem is we need a damned upgrade in central midfield and we have the money and Klopp so what is happening? Chelsea show ambition and get Kante who will transform their midfield and make them title contenders in just that one signing alone.

If it takes £40m to sign Dahoud who is clearly a level above our midfielders, will be an upgrade and a future ELITE player SPEND THE DAMNED MONEY!!!!!!!! Make it impossible for Gladbach to turn down.

But no instead we'll spend £20m on a shed player in Wijnaldum, have the same problem of an unproductive midfield and still have the same problem again next year.

Disappointed. What a lack of ambition we are showing this summer.

My prediction is we will finish 8th or 9th. Man C, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have infinitely better teams than us. West Ham, Everton, Stoke are our competitiors next season.

They say dogs resemble their owners, maybe it's true of football clubs and their owners. There's no doubting the ambition of Abramovich, but can we really say the same of our's?

I wonder whether the problem is the difference in the way we recruit in football and how it's done in baseball, and the idea of 'transfer fees' as opposed to drafts, really sticks in FSG's collective craw.

Committing half heartedly to transfer dealings is proving more expensive and disproportionately less successful than if we committed wholly.  Lesser teams' best players are disproportionately more expensive.

Maybe Klopp is seeing our owners in the same light as we are:

http://live4liverpool.com/2016/07/lfc-news/jurgen-klopp-talks-about-the-cut-throat-nature/ (http://live4liverpool.com/2016/07/lfc-news/jurgen-klopp-talks-about-the-cut-throat-nature/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
£15m for Ibe - Take it and run!!!

Advice taken. It's good to see our owners are starting to take advice from credible sources now.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2016, 03:32:13 PM
But no instead we'll spend £20m on a shed player in Wijnaldum, have the same problem of an unproductive midfield and still have the same problem again next year.

If only. It's looking like £25M+.

I wouldn't call Wijnaldum 'shed', but he's so hot and cold, and apparently doesn't turn up away from home.

Surely our priorities lie elsewhere. Left back and a defensive midfielder for starters, and some real creativity from deep wouldn't go amiss.

Surely Wijnaldum isn't being signed to play as one of the two midfielders in front of the back four, and surely we've got enough options for the attacking 3 behind the striker, if that's how Klopp's going to play most of the season.

£25M, when the Barcodes paid £14.5M, for a player who may as well not be on the coach to away games seems crazy. Southampton and Newcastle must love us. Hopefully, once Ayre's gone, we'll get someone who can actually negotiate transfer deals in our favour.

I can't understand why we insist on shopping in the PL. There's no value, and so-called PL ready players still struggle with the step up in expectation, so we don't avoid problems of them adapting anyway.
You only have to look at the players other so called 'lesser' teams sign, the fees they pay and then the fees they receive after a season or two.

I guess Chelsea and the Mancs are still seen as CL clubs, even though they'll both be missing from it this season, so we've got to build things in 3 stages:
1. Building a team that can finish in the top four.
2. Improve on that so we create a team that finishes top four each season, as a minimum expectation.
3. Improve on that so we create a team that can challenge for the title.

At the moment it's hard to see us having a strong enough squad to finish in any European place.

Maybe we're going to have to get European football through cup competitions until we can build a squad strong enough to qualify through the league, but reaching a final and basing you're entire season on one game is dicey, as last season showed.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2016, 07:37:14 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/688527/Liverpool-news-Crystal-Palace-Christian-Benteke-agent-reveals-deal-not-happening-transfers (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/688527/Liverpool-news-Crystal-Palace-Christian-Benteke-agent-reveals-deal-not-happening-transfers)

ruddy ell - will we never get rid of Benteke and Balatelli.

*hitting head against the wall, a million times*

Inter Milan eye move for Liverpool striker: Jurgen Klopp doesn’t want him at Anfield

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/692001/Liverpool-Inter-Milan-unwanted-Mario-Balotelli-transfer-news-gossip (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/692001/Liverpool-Inter-Milan-unwanted-Mario-Balotelli-transfer-news-gossip)

I'd not ask for a transfer fee off Inter as long as Balotelli doesn't want the remaining two years of his contract paid up. Surely Inter could come to some arrangement with Balotelli as they'd have no transfer fee, and the extra outlay could be paid over the term of his contract, rather than a transfer fee having to be paid over a shorter time.

Please, somebody, anybody, take him.

I notice Celtic haven't been linked, surprise, surprise.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
Looks like Joe Allen is off to Stoke for £13.5M.

I couldn't care less that he's only got 1 year left on his contract. After Sissoko's transfer 'value' has rocketed to £35m, purely on the back of a few reasonably reasonable performances at the Euros and a few powerful bursts forward in the first half of the final, surely we could have got our original £15m outlay back, at least, allowing for this Summer's ridiculous transfer inflation and his sterling performances at the Euros and his selection in the team of the competition etc.

We well and truly get 'spit roasted' where transfers are concerned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2016, 11:54:43 PM
Rumours are going about that Flanno may be going out on loan for the season, especially as he hasn't gone on the US tour.

On the one hand it may be good if he gets a season of first team football and gets his fitness back properly after such a long time out, however, on the other hand we have no cover/competition for Clyne worth the name, and as we're yet to sign a left back, it looks like Moreno is definitely staying, Gomez, who can play there is injured and will need careful re-introduction anyway, and so that leaves Brad Smith.

Our fullback positions are arguably the weakest area of the squad, and yet the few players we've been linked with, and bid for (in the case of Chilwell) hardly suggest much of an improvement, if at all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2016, 09:47:42 AM
I have to say that I am looking forward to the new season.

Sadio Mane, Georginio Wijnaldum, Joel Matip, etc all have the potential to be very good buys.

Sadio Mane is IMHO the best of our recent raids on Southampton.  Tremendous potential.

Wijnaldum was very good for PSV and for his country.  And he did well last year in a team fighting relegation.  OK, he didn't do much away from home - but then again, neither did his team mates.

The common thread that I see, re ins and outs....is that Klopp is bringing in more attack-minded midfielders.

That is to be welcomed.  We are going to see more goal threat from the middle of the park - and more offensive industry.   We need to see these new lads gel....and gel quickly.  We have a lot of hard games to start this new season.

Yes, we haven't spent massive monies, like United or City.  But we know all too well, that spending big money offers no guarantees.

Like all of us, I will be mighty relieved when Klopp brings in a top left back.  Hector would be an interesting buy.

But I think moving Benteke on, will give us some funds, to do some more work in the market.  Important to get him and Balotelli out of Anfield.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
Speaking to Dutch publication De Telegraaf, Dirk Kuyt revealed that this would see Liverpool secure a long-term target, with the club scouting Wijnaldum during his time on the books.

“[It is] a wonderful transfer for Gini,” Kuyt said.

“The best compliment for him is that, in my time at Liverpool, his name buzzed around the club. He was [acknowledged] by the scouts already in his youth at Feyenoord as a very great talent. When I played for Liverpool, I frequently heard them say that he would be a wonderful asset one day.”

Wijnaldum spent seven years with Feyenoord before joining PSV Eindhoven in 2011, and after scoring 56 goals in 154 games (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/georginio-wijnaldum/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/49499/verein/383) for the Eredivisie club, moved to Newcastle in 2015. The Magpies paid £14.5 million for his services, and following his 11-goal Premier League haul (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/georginio-wijnaldum/leistungsdaten/spieler/49499/plus/0?saison=2015) in 2015/16, have seen his value almost double.

Kuyt believes this will prove great value for a resurgent Reds: “He is now at a top club in England and he belongs at home.”  Klopp wants to take Liverpool all the way up again.

“I myself was at [Liverpool’s] semi-final [against Villarreal] in the Europa League and then I noticed that something is growing. That Klopp sees a place for Gini is nice for the player.

“I know him well, he did fine [at the World Cup] in Brazil, [where I] also played with him.

“He is not only a good player, but also a player
with the lungs of a horse.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2016, 03:52:28 PM
the 'lungs of a horse' description is interesting.

Klopp seems to be pushing forward, and demanding more effort and quicker attacks.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2016, 10:53:25 PM
Taken from: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-hails-100-backing-liverpool-11655814 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-hails-100-backing-liverpool-11655814)

Left-back is the one area where Klopp is still keen to bolster his ranks.
Ryan Kent and Jon Flanagan are among those expected to go out on loan.
as he revealed there could be one more signing to complete his summer recruitment drive.

So that leaves us short of the specialist defensive midfielder. Can, as yet, maybe never, is not the answer, Lucas looks like he's on his way, as does Joe Allen.

Plus, if Flanno goes out on loan, where's the cover for Clyne? Randall, Wisdom? Neither are good enough.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 24, 2016, 06:35:33 PM
Brad Smith off to Bournemouth for £6M, complete with buy back clause, and we're being heavily linked with Jetro Willems of PSV to replace him.

Overall, we would have strengthened the left back position, but I'm not really sure we'd have strengthened the defensive side of it.

4-3 to the Reds will become the new '1-0 to the Arsenal'.

If no defensive midfielder is brought in, and Joe Allen leaves, then we have to hang on to Lucas. Can and Hendo sitting in front of the back four? Hhhmmm. Not so sure I like the idea of that.
Milner's attacking threat would be wasted using him there. Is Kevin Stewart really ready yet? I don't think so.

Our midfield's still going to have a very soft centre to it.

With Lucas missing the Arsenal game through injury and Can not back in training after the Euros, our midfield is looking threadbare for the Arsenal game, and we can't afford to be playing catch up on them after 1 game.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on July 24, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Even if we had our best team out we'd still lost to Arsenal as we always lose (well most of the time) At Arsenal so we will be playing catch up.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 24, 2016, 06:49:12 PM
I'm filled with great optimism for the season ahead.

We have one of the world's finest young managers (plus a great new Anfield).  And we have transformed a squad, with 7 new additions.  We just need a left back....and time to gel and get a balance.

 8)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 24, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
Even if we had our best team out we'd still lost to Arsenal as we always lose (well most of the time) At Arsenal so we will be playing catch up.

All runs end sometime.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 24, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
the 'lungs of a horse' description is interesting.

As long as they're not Shergar's.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 24, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 24, 2016, 10:28:45 PM
I'm filled with great optimism for the season ahead.

We have one of the world's finest young managers (plus a great new Anfield).  And we have transformed a squad, with 7 new additions.  We just need a left back....and time to gel and get a balance.

 8)

Whilst not having European football is hardly ideal, maybe it will work to our advantage if Klopp has more time on the training ground with all the new faces. In what is his first full season, having made a number of changes, it may just give us the solid foundation to build on over the next few seasons, if the extra time on the training ground sees the team Klopp wants emerge quicker.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 24, 2016, 10:35:41 PM
I agree, Tes.

he has made a lot of changes - which I predicted (mainly down to his history).

7 so far - maybe one more addition to come.

the key will be getting the new unit to gel and to get a balance.

what is quite clear - is he is bringing in faster, stronger, more threatening midfielders.....who know where the net is.

he is focussing on fast counter attacks.

meaningless posession, for the sake of it, is not for him.......which is not unlike what Leicester did last season.

welcome to heavy metal football.  :)



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2016, 09:29:05 PM
With Arbeloa on a free, wouldn't it be worth picking him up to cover both full back spots, especially if Flanno is sent out on loan to prove his fitness.

He'd also be able to work with Moreno and help teach him the basics of defending, language would be no problem and considering Alvaro's career, he'd command instant respect.

We've never had a full back of his quality since he left.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2016, 09:31:36 PM
Inter have allegedly joined the chase for Lucas. As it's sadly obvious that Klopp is prepared to let him leave, maybe we'd receive more than the twopence ha'penny that Galatasaray appear to be offering.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2016, 09:45:30 PM
All the best to Joe Allen (apart from when Stoke play us, of course). Despite only having 1 year left on his contract, considering the fees being bandied about this Summer, £13M feels like, yet again, we failed to get maximum comparable value with one of our sales.
If the transfer had been the other way around, Stoke would have been asking £20M+ from us, having inflated his price on the back of his performances at the Euros, plus the PL experience premium and another premium for counting as 'homegrown'.

Hopefully, whoever replaces Ayre will understand the idea is to receive as much as possible, whilst paying out as little as possible when conducting transfers.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2016, 10:13:24 AM
(http://media.galamedianews.com/news/160428152326-hadapi-villareal-klopp-kembali-siapkan-heavy-metal-football.jpg)

Mane says he rejected United and a host of other clubs, when he heard Liverpiol were keen on him.

And Countinho says Mane is super-fast and hard to play against.

Sakho sent home from the US tour.

We apparently had a 40 million euro bid rejected for yet another midfielder, Joao Mario of Sporting Lisbon.

And we seem to be keen on Real Madrid forward Jese Rodriguez.

Our owners, despite the costs of expanding Anfield, are sure handing Klopp all the funds he wants to bring in top talent.

We seem to be creating an entire new midfield, and a backup set of players.  All fast, with much energy, who like to attack and score goals.  And we are shipping out slower and ineffectual ones.

The future seems clear - attack, attack, attack.  And when our lads in the middle get tired, we bring on more fast and furious comrades to continue the running.    Heavy metal football. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
We still need to tighten up the defence any attack can be built on, but conversely, instead of finding his position hugely under threat or (preferably) being shipped out, Moreno finds his position in the first 11 strengthened by Brad Smith's move to Bournemouth.

We're now being linked with Lyon's 19 year old Jordy Gaspar, who can play both full back positions.

Why do we constantly appear to overlook the back four, seemingly spending much more attention on midfield and attacking positions, whilst scratching around for 'make dos' for our full back positions?

I didn't see it, but apparently Moreno was his usual wayward self against Chelsea in the US this morning.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Gurdeep on July 29, 2016, 11:18:45 AM
We still need to tighten up the defence any attack can be built on, but conversely, instead of finding his position hugely under threat or (preferably) being shipped out, Moreno finds his position in the first 11 strengthened by Brad Smith's move to Bournemouth.

We're now being linked with Lyon's 19 year old Jordy Gaspar, who can play both full back positions.

Why do we constantly appear to overlook the back four, seemingly spending much more attention on midfield and attacking positions, whilst scratching around for 'make dos' for our full back positions?

I didn't see it, but apparently Moreno was his usual wayward self against Chelsea in the US this morning.

Moreno's performance was the same as when it ended last season Tes.  Shocking! 
There a utterances of Klopp looking to use Milner at left back.  Whilst I'm sure Milner will do a job where ever he is deployed, it's not a situation you want to be going into the new season.  Left back has been an issue for us for quite sometime, and if we do not address it this summer I will be concerned.

I'll be at Wembley on the 6th of August to watch us play against Barca.  I will be interested to see who Klopp plays at left back.  May give us an indication as to who will start in that position when the season begins.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2016, 01:15:38 PM
Moreno's performance was the same as when it ended last season Tes.  Shocking! 
There a utterances of Klopp looking to use Milner at left back.  Whilst I'm sure Milner will do a job where ever he is deployed, it's not a situation you want to be going into the new season.  Left back has been an issue for us for quite sometime, and if we do not address it this summer I will be concerned.

I'll be at Wembley on the 6th of August to watch us play against Barca.  I will be interested to see who Klopp plays at left back.  May give us an indication as to who will start in that position when the season begins.

Having seen the talk of using Milner as a stand in left back, it makes it hard to understand letting Smith go. I know it was a good fee, but a good fee is an even worse defender than Moreno.

Was he sold over Klopp's head? If not, why wasn't there a replacement lined up, considering our so-called first choice is shocking, and it seems like the only other possibility, Flanno, is going out on loan.

When we've spent £50M+ on two attackers, to then have to use a right footed midfielder as our left back, yet again has you scratching your head over our transfer policy and planning.

If Chilwall was our 'priority' left back target then we should have made sure we got him.

Milner is wasted as a left back, especially when you consider he contributed more in the attacking sense than Lallana did last season.

Guilherme Siqueira of Atletico Madrid, would be a good option. He may be 30, but it would give us 2 seasons to develop a more long term solution, and bring some experience to the defence and team.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
According to http://www.turkish-football.com/liverpool-striker-mario-balotelli-wants-to-be-rescued-by-club-says-besiktas-boss-deal-expected/ (http://www.turkish-football.com/liverpool-striker-mario-balotelli-wants-to-be-rescued-by-club-says-besiktas-boss-deal-expected/) Balotelli's move to Besiktas is on once more. An alleged move to Turkey has been on and off more than a wh@re's knickers.

If Balotelli chooses to sit tight, train with the youth teams and collect his salary, then he may as well retire at the end of this season, as no team will touch him next Summer.

If he wants the big bucks he needs to get himself a move somewhere, taking a financial hit for a season, get his head out from wherever it has been for the last two seasons and earn himself a transfer to a bigger paying team for 2017/18.

He has the same agent (Mino Raola) as Ibrahimovic, and Ibrahimovic admits it was his agent that kicked his @ss and made him perform the way he has over the last two seasons and improve his whole attitude to everything.

He (Raola) needs to shrink Balotelli, and fast.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2016, 04:06:26 PM
Galatasaray reach agreement with Liverpool over Lucas Leiva transfer

http://www.turkish-football.com/galatasaray-reach-agreement-with-liverpool-over-lucas-leiva-transfer/ (http://www.turkish-football.com/galatasaray-reach-agreement-with-liverpool-over-lucas-leiva-transfer/)

A huge thanks for everything goes to Lucas. He's put up with so much sh!t from the crowd, managers messing him around and working hard to recover from several major injuries.

He's been a truly great, ultra professional servant to the club. One of the few really good guys left in the game.

All the best, and hopefully he gets a title medal with Gala this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
Liverpool to meet £22.5m asking price for Germany international in next 24 hours - report

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/533997/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Jonas-Hector-Cologne-Jurgen-Klopp-Gossip (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/533997/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Jonas-Hector-Cologne-Jurgen-Klopp-Gossip)

Anyone else think Hector resembles Xabi Alonso?

This gives Moreno a season to improve defensively and save his Liverpool career (if, of course, it goes through).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 30, 2016, 08:35:32 PM
Lucas was a great lad.....top top bloke.

Allen too - very impressed, especially in his final season with us.

Now if only we could shift that monster, Ballytelly on.

Hector would be a great signing imho.  I might even have ambitions of the title, in the next
couple of years, with people like that on board the red train.  Yes, he is a bit like Alonso.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2016, 12:03:12 AM
Flanno definitely off out on loan to Burnley:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-defender-jon-flanagan-agrees-8529899 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-defender-jon-flanagan-agrees-8529899)


Whilst it leaves us threadbare in the fullback positions, if he plays the full season for Burnley and re-builds his fitness and conditioning, then it's a worthwhile investment ready for next season and beyond.

The seriousness of his injuries and length of time out will need a full season to get back to where he needs to be.

Here's hoping all goes really, really well for him this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on July 31, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
we have a top manager, a top stadium, and some great new pacy goal-scoring midfielder additions, and no european football to distract us.

game on!
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 01, 2016, 05:19:39 AM
we have a top manager, a top stadium, and some great new pacy goal-scoring midfielder additions, and no european football to distract us.

game on!

Just need a left back and a specialist defensive midfielder and "we're good to go".

Leicester and Portugal proved it's truly a team game.

It could be a really interesting time.

Arsenal have to end their top four run without proper strengthening, some time. Has Mourinho lost his touch?
Will Conte and Guardiola 'get' the PL? Were West Ham a 'flash in the pan'? Likewise Leicester. Will Southampton continue their recent seasons' achievements with yet another manager? Will Spurs build on last season or fall away? Who will be this season's 'over achievers'? Will 'the Moyesiah' finally take Sunderland down?
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on August 01, 2016, 12:04:31 PM
Sorry dude this season I think we are going to swap roles in you being the optimist and me the pessimist!!

Apart from Karius and Mane who I believe will be fantastic for us I believe just spend a load of money on either average players or weak/fragile mentality players.

Wijnaldum is average - sorry but he is. He has shown last season he has a weak mentality and if things aren't going right he won't fight for the team. Weak. That plus 11 goals (4 in one game) so really 7 goals all at home.....away from home he's a liability.

Matip - good player but really not a great player however an improvement on Skrtel and Toure so good signing.

Mane - My favourite signing because of his pace and strength but he is inconsistent so he needs to fix that.

Manninger - fulfils the role required so no problem.

Grujic - one for the future

Klavan - Another average signing but at least he is cheap.

We have failed to address our weaknesses mainly at left back and central midfield.

With this current squad I can't see no way no how we finish in the top 6. Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have superior teams. West Ham have the better player out of both teams in Payet (Coutinho will have to match Payet's consistency to take that accolade), Stoke have a decent team and the likes of Everton and Leicester will be our competitors.

We have never failed to finish outside the top 8 since we gained promotion in 1962. However I am really concerned that this is going to happen for us this upcoming season.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2016, 01:13:30 PM
Just need a left back and a specialist defensive midfielder and "we're good to go".

Leicester and Portugal proved it's truly a team game.

It could be a really interesting time.

Arsenal have to end their top four run without proper strengthening, some time. Has Mourinho lost his touch?
Will Conte and Guardiola 'get' the PL? Were West Ham a 'flash in the pan'? Likewise Leicester. Will Southampton continue their recent seasons' achievements with yet another manager? Will Spurs build on last season or fall away? Who will be this season's 'over achievers'? Will 'the Moyesiah' finally take Sunderland down?

all these questions and more, will be answered on this week's edition of SOAP.  (showing my age, hope someone gets my american tv show reference)    :)

yes, a real interesting season awaits.

I think it is probably a season too early, for Klopp to have all his ducks in a row, for a title charge.  But who knows.

We will see how quickly he can get the team to gel - and most importantly, balance it.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 01, 2016, 01:25:30 PM
Sorry dude this season I think we are going to swap roles in you being the optimist and me the pessimist!!

I believe just spend a load of money on either average players or weak/fragile mentality players.

Wijnaldum is average - sorry but he is. He has shown last season he has a weak mentality and if things aren't going right he won't fight for the team. Weak. That plus 11 goals (4 in one game) so really 7 goals all at home.....away from home he's a liability.

Matip - good player but really not a great player however an improvement on Skrtel and Toure so good signing.

Mane - My favourite signing because of his pace and strength but he is inconsistent so he needs to fix that.

Manninger - fulfils the role required so no problem.

Grujic - one for the future

Klavan - Another average signing but at least he is cheap.

We have failed to address our weaknesses mainly at left back and central midfield.

With this current squad I can't see no way no how we finish in the top 6. Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have superior teams. West Ham have the better player out of both teams in Payet (Coutinho will have to match Payet's consistency to take that accolade), Stoke have a decent team and the likes of Everton and Leicester will be our competitors.

We have never failed to finish outside the top 8 since we gained promotion in 1962. However I am really concerned that this is going to happen for us this upcoming season.

 ;D

now I am the optimist and you the pessimist.

Mane - agreed, good signing.

Matip - I think will be a very good buy.

You think Wijnaldum is average.  But remember, he was in a dire team that got relegated - it was also his first season in the premiership.  Nobody else performed in that Newcastle side.  His goal return was probably good for such a scenario.

Grujic is still a kid - but he has been awesome in these first games.  A really bright future I hope.

You can't see us finish in the top six.  I think we will breeze into the top 6....and go higher.

I wish our owners had sacked Rodgers after the final game, the 6-1 loss to Stoke.  Klopp would have had more time.  I think this season has maybe come too early, for a genuine title charge.  He has to gel and balance the side.  But we have got a top manager - the best since Rafa.  Who knows what we can achieve this season. 

It may be Keeganesque heavy metal we see (with us conceding a fair few goals).  Or, with the right left back, we might start to find a balance.   

Klopp has taken the negativity out of our midfield - and replaced folk with no end prodduct, with midfielders who know how to score.   Lalalahana being the exception.  I think Klopp will heavily rotate our midfielders, in order to maintain fast paced heavy metal football.

May you live in interesting times  and we do.   :)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 03, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
We have failed to address our weaknesses mainly at left back and central midfield.

That's the biggest puzzle.

Surely they were two of the top three priorities, yet our 'pursuit', if you can call it that, seems as poor as when we tried to replace Suarez.

What is it that we're not seeing about Moreno?

Surely we can't go through the season with a two man axis from Can, Hendo and Wijnaldum.

Why is it we splash hugely on 'attackers', yet scrimp like Scrooge, when it comes to the defensive side of the team?

Hector's rumoured now as being 'overpriced' by the Echo.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/klopp-ponders-new-liverpool-signing-11697022 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/klopp-ponders-new-liverpool-signing-11697022)

"Germany international Jonas Hector has repeatedly been linked with Liverpool this summer but the ECHO understands that a move for the FC Koln left-back is highly unlikely. The Reds don’t believe he’s worth the £20million price tag."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 03, 2016, 02:22:09 PM
yes, I saw those reports today that the club feels Hector is over-valued at 20 million....and thus are not interested.

maybe Milner is a fall-back for now - maybe Klopp cannot find another left-back that he is keenly interested in, at this moment in time.

I would have thought a priority.

Moreno is not good enough - end of story.   I'm not even convinced that he is good enough as cover.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 03, 2016, 11:15:09 PM
yes, I saw those reports today that the club feels Hector is over-valued at 20 million....and thus are not interested.

maybe Milner is a fall-back for now - maybe Klopp cannot find another left-back that he is keenly interested in, at this moment in time.

I would have thought a priority.

Moreno is not good enough - end of story.   I'm not even convinced that he is good enough as cover.

I'd have preferred to see Moreno sold this Summer and replaced by a proper left back. With Brad Smith also being sold, I don't understand weakening the squad, even though £6m was a good fee for Smith, it wasn't worth weakening the squad so much for a mere £6m. We should be seeing 2 left backs arrive.

It's one thing moving Milner there if necessity dictates during a match, but to play him there for more than that, or see him as a second choice left back, is asking for trouble.

I just don't understand the attitude of paying £50m+ on Mane and Wijnaldum, yet 'making do' to the degree we seem to be with the left back position.
As we've always said, strong teams are built on strong defences, and for that you have to have quality in each position. I'm not saying spend record breaking amounts, but buy quality all the same.

I don't know anything about Chilwall, and have never seen him play, but considering that Arsenal bid for him in January, and we've bid for him this Summer, he must have something going for him. Klopp obviously rates him above Smith, and good enough to challenge Moreno, so I'd rather have seen us up our £7m bid to £8m + £2m in add ons, getting somewhere near what Leicester wanted, when we received the £6m offer for Smith. I know we don't want to be paying over the odds (any more than we already do), but sometimes a priority or approach has to change if a situation alters, and therefore requires it.

Holding on to a lead is just as important as obtaining that lead in the first place.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 02:55:00 PM
Zielinski set to join Napoli

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/zielinski-set-join-napoli (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/zielinski-set-join-napoli)


Thankfully.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
Jurgen Klopp refuses to green light Liverpool deal: German evaluating his options

JURGEN KLOPP will not allow Lucas Leiva to leave Liverpool until the club's defensive injury crisis eases.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/535349/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Lucas-Leiva-stay-Jurgen-Klopp-defensive-injury-problems (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/535349/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Lucas-Leiva-stay-Jurgen-Klopp-defensive-injury-problems)

Can he play left back?  ;D

I don't mind him staying especially if he gets some games alongside Can, Grujic, Wijnaldum or whoever plays in front of the back four, as a defensive midfielder seems totally absent from this Summer's shopping list.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 04:42:16 PM
Barcelona star, Thomas Vermaelen has offer on the table from Liverpool - reports

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/535354/Liverpool-transfer-news-Thomas-Vermaelen-Barcelona-ex-Arsenal-man-offer (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/535354/Liverpool-transfer-news-Thomas-Vermaelen-Barcelona-ex-Arsenal-man-offer)

Why? Unless the physio's are complaining of being under worked.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 04:50:37 PM
Meanwhile, as we refuse to meet Hector's £20m asking price:

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/08/rumour-mill-gremio-reject-liverpools-approach-striker-luan-guilherme/ (http://www.thisisanfield.com/2016/08/rumour-mill-gremio-reject-liverpools-approach-striker-luan-guilherme/)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/e40m-liverpool-bid-confirmed-klopp-set-go-even-get-man/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/e40m-liverpool-bid-confirmed-klopp-set-go-even-get-man/) and http://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/liverpool/liverpool-eyeing-seventh-summer-signing-33-9m-bid-to-be-upped (http://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/liverpool/liverpool-eyeing-seventh-summer-signing-33-9m-bid-to-be-upped)

Yet again, I've lost track of what our Summer transfer policy is. Anyone care to offer an explanation?  ;D

Whilst we have only one, useless, and currently injured left back, we're looking to add further to our strikers and midfielders.

I hope come September 1st everything will become crystal clear, and have made perfect sense to us all.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 05:00:05 PM
Liverpool transfer news: Ajax considering move for Reds flop Mario Balotelli

http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-transfer-news-ajax-considering-move-reds-flop-mario-balotelli-160804205235 (http://talksport.com/football/liverpool-transfer-news-ajax-considering-move-reds-flop-mario-balotelli-160804205235)

Just don't ask for a fee, as long as Balotelli doesn't get his contract paid up, and we're not expected to subsidise his Ajax contract.

Though with Mino Raiola as his agent it'll be difficult to get that agreed to - he'll want his entire remaining contract paid up, and us to make up any difference between what we're currently paying him and what Ajax would pay him over the entire term of his first contract with them. He's currently under contract with us until 30th June 2018.  :'(
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on August 04, 2016, 06:10:13 PM
It is quite obvious Klopp believes he can work on Moreno and improve him - so we shall see.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 04, 2016, 08:36:20 PM
maybe he can't easily get hold of the specific left back that he wants.

maybe he is biding his time.

maybe the guys we wanted, refused to come to Anfield.


Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 11:10:11 PM
It is quite obvious Klopp believes he can work on Moreno and improve him - so we shall see.

Brave or foolish? We shall indeed see.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2016, 11:22:49 PM
maybe he can't easily get hold of the specific left back that he wants.

maybe he is biding his time.

maybe the guys we wanted, refused to come to Anfield.

All good points, Dude. My only worry is that Edward's right and Klopp thinks he can sort Moreno out, going by the players we've bid for, and been linked with. Ben Chilwell being the prime example, however we've also allegedly bid £16.5M for Milan's Mattia de Sciglio, but he's holding out for Juve to come in for him.

As this is such a long running problem, maybe we ought to open an academy just for full backs, with left backs being given priority.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2016, 03:55:27 PM
All good points, Dude. My only worry is that Edward's right and Klopp thinks he can sort Moreno out, going by the players we've bid for, and been linked with. Ben Chilwell being the prime example, however we've also allegedly bid £16.5M for Milan's Mattia de Sciglio, but he's holding out for Juve to come in for him.

As this is such a long running problem, maybe we ought to open an academy just for full backs, with left backs being given priority.  ;D

 ;D

one aspect I have been impressed with, this summer - is how well we keep the media in the dark re our targets and our offers.

e.g. we found out, only in hindsight recently, that we had made significant offers for two players....offers that were turned down.

thus I suspect more has been going on re a new left back, than we are privvy to.

Klopp is a very astute manager.  He knows the issues.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2016, 03:56:28 PM
(http://images0.minutemediacdn.com/production/912x516/57a4804c75ee9682fc000001.jpg)

Liverpool Set to Make Improved Bid for Joao Mario as Real Madrid Consider Pursuit

​Liverpool are set to make an increased offer for Sporting Lisbon and Portugal midfielder Joao Mario.

The Merseyside club are believed to have had a £33.5m bid turned down by Sporting for the Portuguese midfielder but are expected to go in with another offer as Jurgen Klopp looks to fill the hole left by Joe Allen's depature to Stoke City.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2016, 04:00:58 PM
Klopp is definitely making our midfield far far more attack minded.

Not for him the endless square balls, and endless triangles.

We are filling our midfield with threatening, attack-minded, hard-working, goal-scoring midfielders.

This could be a very enjoyable season ahead.

He needs to get the team to gel, and to find a balance.   

With no balance, we could be looking at Keeganesque results - 5-4, 4-3, etc.





Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2016, 08:27:31 PM
Can's not disciplined enough, or yet reads the game well enough to be the defensive linchpin in midfield.

Good midfield defensive cover will also help Matip settle in better, and with us being so thin on the ground, even thinner after Milner's injury, at full back, then an athletic defensive midfielder who can sweep up in front of the entire back four, really is needed.

We need at least one full back, as we can't expect Gomez to keep covering, once fit, and neither Randall or Wisdom (if he's not sold) are good enough, if Clyne did have to be shifted across as an emergency left back.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Thinking about the likes of Benteke and Markovic, where we obviously overpaid for them, and Klopp really doesn't want them, it makes sense to be 'flexible' and do everything possible to offload them before 1st September.

What I don't understand is why we seem to be holding out for such high fees. I know we want the most we can get for any player, as does any club, but as we're at the start of Klopp's reign and these are 'legacy issues' left over from Rodgers' time, surely we're better off getting what we can for them, saving on their wages, removing the difficulty of the manager having to include players at training sessions that he knows he's not going to use and the effect of that on the players themselves and any ripple effect their morale could have on the squad as a whole.

So even if we use the £32.5M and £20M (widely reported transfer fees) figures, Benteke's value (if we amortise it) is £32.5M divided by length of contract (5 years) multiplied by remaining time on contract = £26M.
Likewise, Markovic's value is £12M (having originally also signed a 5 year deal).

So looking at those two valuations of £26M and £12M respectively, and factoring in that we quite obviously overpaid for them (and you can't just expect the next buyer to overpay also to make up for the fact that we were stupid enough to), then surely offers of £25M and £10M wouldn't be so bad. When you consider Markovic's two below par seasons since joining us, £10M isn't really lowering his valuation by maybe as much as it should be. 

It's hard to see how Benteke's value is £32.5M, when you consider it wasn't really that high when we signed him anyway, and he's not performed as well at our club as he did at his previous one.

We can either let them go for sensible fees this Summer, or we continue paying them for another year, getting no use out of them and value for the wage outgoings, and then take an even bigger hit on the their fees next Summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2016, 12:07:06 PM
Balotelli accepts Chievo, but...

http://www.football-italia.net/88978/balotelli-accepts-chievo (http://www.football-italia.net/88978/balotelli-accepts-chievo)

"However, the problem of his wages remains, as his €6m per season salary cannot be covered by Chievo, and would need to be partly paid for by Liverpool."

Firstly, how is what he earns here relevant if he becomes a Chievo player permanently, as he is no longer a Liverpool player.

Secondly, Balotelli and his agent have to understand and accept that he won't be earning anything if he doesn't accept a move and accept a contract that runs beyond his current Liverpool one.
There's hardly a rush to sign him now, and a season in 'the stiffs', even if he's on a 'free', still won't have clubs clamouring to sign a player who's played no meaningful football for a season, and will have done nothing for the last three seasons.

He needs to look at José Enrique as an example of his future.

Why do players think that if they move clubs, because they are unwanted and classed as being 'surplus to requirements', that they should still earn as much, or in some cases want more, than they were earning at the club where they were no longer deemed as having  sufficient 'value'.
Just as a player's 'transfer value' drops, they need to understand that their earning capacity, or 'earnings value' also drops accordingly.

Thankfully Balotelli's contract runs out at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2016, 07:03:42 PM
With Benteke's Palace move looking like it's back on, a Studge injured, and no indication of how bad it is or how long he's out for, do we need to consider buying another striker?

If Palace offer £27.5M + £2.5M in add ons, then I think we should take it. It allows us to save face (if we even need to), as the deal can be valued at £30M, and we get rid of a player deemed surplus to requirements, and we don't have to keep paying what is a very healthy salary to a player we'll be getting little or no use out of.
It does no good to training ground, squad or dressing room morale to have such a high paid, not used player around either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 09, 2016, 10:40:06 PM
Although we have a few attacking midfielders, I wouldn't mind us nabbing Nicolae Stanciu of Steaua Bucharest.

As he's rumoured to be available for £6M, he'd be worth the punt. He'd be an upgrade on Lallana, having scored 14 goals, with 11 assists, and he's already off the mark with 2 goals in the CL qualifier against Sparta Prague last week. As he's only 23, he's exactly the sort of player Klopp could develop further, and if Coutinho left next Summer, we've already got him partly replaced.

Apparently Chelsea are rumoured to be looking at him, but for £6M..........................
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2016, 07:43:28 PM
Whether it proves to be a comprise or not, we have to sign a left back before the window closes.

It doesn't matter whether it's an older, short term solution, that sees us through this season, but at least buys us time to try and find a longer term solution.

Watching Moreno, he just doesn't look as though he's got either the general intelligence or footballing intelligence to understand and put into practice the basics of being a defender, in general, and specifically a left back.

Having such a glaring weakness will erode confidence and belief, and make holding on to a lead much more difficult.
It gives opposition teams a point to attack.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 14, 2016, 11:34:18 PM
Sakho's being linked with a move out of the club again.

I don't understand this, unless whatever it was he did to get sent home from the US tour, has Klopp believing he's just got too 'comfortable' at the club.

With Gomez still injured and Ilori at the Olympics, it would leave us criminally short. Even with them both fit, we would still look a bit lacking in depth.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 15, 2016, 09:18:20 PM
We're being linked with a move/loan for Madrid's Fabio Coentrao (aka Mr Hamstrung) to replace Moreno.

Hamstring history - Jun 16 2014 to Jul 17 2014, Oct 8 2015 to Nov 9 2015, Dec 7 2015 to Dec 31 2015 and Apr 11 2016 to present (expected back end of October).

I've never rated his defensive side.

And his hair looks like something that should have been avoided in the 80s.  ;D

 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
Liverpool considering Bruno Martins Indi move in bid to boost defensive options

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-considering-bruno-martins-indi-8653067 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-considering-bruno-martins-indi-8653067)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2016, 01:56:08 PM
From: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/538905/Liverpool-transfer-news-Jurgen-Klopp-left-back-Alberto-Moreno (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/538905/Liverpool-transfer-news-Jurgen-Klopp-left-back-Alberto-Moreno)

Klopp: "In my opinion, we could have avoided this situation and yes Alberto could have done better, that’s right. But I don’t understand what we are talking about.

We are talking about Alberto Moreno because he didn’t defend so well against Arsenal? I don’t understand the conversation, maybe I should read more newspapers.

The world is not satisfied with our left back or what?
"


Journalist: But by the sounds of it, Klopp isn't keen to bow to public pressure and sign a new player after one game.


It's not one game, though. That may just be Joel Watson's interpretation of the situation, but this is an ongoing situation with Moreno, and his lack of the first idea about defending.

Klopp's either being deliberately obtuse to both protect Moreno and try and keep any possible signing from the media until it's completed, or he really does have a blind spot where Moreno's concerned, and possibly less time for the technicalities of defending outside of high pressing, than he does for the attacking side of the game.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2016, 07:43:41 PM
Liverpool agree to sell Christan Benteke to Crystal Palace for £32 million

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/18/liverpool-agree-to-sell-christan-benteke-to-crystal-palace-for-3/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/18/liverpool-agree-to-sell-christan-benteke-to-crystal-palace-for-3/)

£27M + £5M in add-ons. All things considered that's a pretty good deal, and we're being very sensible in accepting it.

Now for Balotelli. (inserts 'on knees praying' smilie).
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
Good luck to Benteke.

It wasn't his fault he was signed by a manager who didn't play to his strengths, or in a team to who's style he obviously wasn't suited. Neither was it his fault that we hugely overpaid for him either.
He wasn't a £32.5M player, so was never going to play like one.

It's ironic that Palace have just sold their best winger.

It's a satisfying ending to a ridiculous signing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2016, 01:27:46 PM
Why do we keep being linked with Joe Hart? We've already got the authentic Mignolet. We don't need a 'Mignolet lite'.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 22, 2016, 11:43:41 PM
Liverpool prepared to send Mamadou Sakho out on loan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/22/liverpool-prepared-to-send-mamadou-sakho-out-on-loan/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/22/liverpool-prepared-to-send-mamadou-sakho-out-on-loan/)

Surely we then have to bring in another centre half.

If Martins Indi is available for £7M then maybe we should get him. Whilst I don't like the idea of 'can play there' type players, Moreno or Milner can't play there (left back), and Martins Indi would allow Klopp some flexibility with how and where he uses Gomez when he recovers from injury.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2016, 11:20:29 PM
Raiola offers Balotelli to Everton

http://www.football-italia.net/90272/raiola-offers-balotelli-everton (http://www.football-italia.net/90272/raiola-offers-balotelli-everton)


 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D

Classic. Just classic.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 23, 2016, 11:25:36 PM
West Brom plotting £7m swoop for Leeds star: Liverpool want him too

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540143/West-Brom-Leeds-Charlie-Taylor-Championship-Premier-League-transfers-rumours-gossip-news (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540143/West-Brom-Leeds-Charlie-Taylor-Championship-Premier-League-transfers-rumours-gossip-news)

For less than that we could get Martins Indi, which would give us greater depth, and cover Sakho rather than seeing Lucas used there.

If Can is going to suffer with a few injuries I'd rather see Lucas play as our deepest midfielder than Hendo.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2016, 10:06:39 AM
Liverpool make enquiry for Real Madrid star: Chelsea have already made £60m bid

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/703335/Liverpool-news-James-Rodriguez-Real-Madrid-demands-Arsenal-Chelsea-latest-transfers (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/703335/Liverpool-news-James-Rodriguez-Real-Madrid-demands-Arsenal-Chelsea-latest-transfers)

Somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
Raiola offers Balotelli to Everton

http://www.football-italia.net/90272/raiola-offers-balotelli-everton (http://www.football-italia.net/90272/raiola-offers-balotelli-everton)


 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D

Classic. Just classic.

And now the journos truly have lost the plot:

Man United considering shock raid on Liverpool before transfer window closes - report

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540346/Manchester-United-consider-move-Liverpool-striker-Mario-Balotelli-Jose-Mourinho-reunion (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540346/Manchester-United-consider-move-Liverpool-striker-Mario-Balotelli-Jose-Mourinho-reunion)

I guess Balotelli places swelling his bank balance even more above actually getting to play football.

Or maybe Mino Raiola is just thinking about his best chance of screwing the biggest fee out of a club.

Some modern players and pretty much every agent really are vomit inducing.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2016, 10:57:01 AM
Raiola offers Balotelli to Everton

http://www.football-italia.net/90272/raiola-offers-balotelli-everton (http://www.football-italia.net/90272/raiola-offers-balotelli-everton)


 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D

Classic. Just classic.

And now the journos truly have lost the plot:

Man United considering shock raid on Liverpool before transfer window closes - report

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540346/Manchester-United-consider-move-Liverpool-striker-Mario-Balotelli-Jose-Mourinho-reunion (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540346/Manchester-United-consider-move-Liverpool-striker-Mario-Balotelli-Jose-Mourinho-reunion)

I guess Balotelli places swelling his bank balance even more above actually getting to play football.

Or maybe Mino Raiola is just thinking about his best chance of screwing the biggest fee out of a club.

Some modern players and pretty much every agent really are vomit inducing.

And the most far fetched yet - from:

http://sportwitness.co.uk/crystal-palace-keen-signing-another-liverpool-player/ (http://sportwitness.co.uk/crystal-palace-keen-signing-another-liverpool-player/)

Crystal Palace keen on signing another Liverpool player

According to Gazzetta dello Sport on Wednesday, Crystal Palace are interested in signing Mario Balotelli. Gazzetta say Crystal Palace have shown interest in signing Balotelli in the last few hours.

Balotelli’s agent Mino Raiola prefers his client moving to another Premier League club as they can afford the financial terms of any possible deal.


Of course he does, the fat, greedy parasite.

Gazzetta dello Sport make the Sunday Sport seem like a serious, high brow broadsheet.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2016, 06:21:14 PM
Another hour, another club:

Club president confirms his side want Liverpool ace: They've opened talks over a deal

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540481/Mario-Balotelli-loan-deal-Swiss-club-Sion-confirms-club-president (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/540481/Mario-Balotelli-loan-deal-Swiss-club-Sion-confirms-club-president)

"Balotelli has one year left on his Liverpool deal, meaning a season-long loan exit would see a zero return for the club when he walks away for nothing in 12 months time.

They could look to strike a cut-price sale now to ensure at least some of the cash spent on him is recouped, but rivals sides may prefer not to gamble on a permanent transfer.
"



Release him on a free so he can get another club, with the club he goes to saving on a transfer fee, on the condition he doesn't get the remaining year or any 'bonuses' that may be due, paid up.

He may earn less this year than he would have done with us, but if he doesn't get a club before September 1st, and therefore plays no football this season, then even on free, no club will touch him next Summer, considering what will, by then, be his record over the last 3 seasons.

Of course, he could get a loan move in the January window, but that could do even more harm if he messes up a 5 month loan, as he could quite possibly do. It would mean even more nails in his career coffin than he already has.

Him and his parasitic agent need to make some concessions otherwise he may as well announce his retirement now.

I wonder how much all this activity of Raiola's is going to cost us in fees on top of paying most of his salary to play for someone else if he does somehow manage to find a club.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2016, 06:49:15 PM
Stoke make loan move for Liverpool outcast as Mark Hughes looks to bolster his squad

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/703548/Mamadou-Sakho-transfer-latest-Stoke-loan-move (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/703548/Mamadou-Sakho-transfer-latest-Stoke-loan-move)


So until Lucas and/or Gomez are back we'll be limping on with 3 centre halves.

Why are we so different in our approach to defensive recruitment and squad depth, to the way we approach things with attacking players?

Until the entire defensive side of things is given the same apparent status as the attacking side, we are likely to continuing being poor on that front, and that in turn will cost us matches.
We could have played for a fortnight against Burnley, and on the day, would not have scored, but a point would have been better, and our goal difference the healthier for it. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2016, 11:11:55 AM
Caner Erkin, who joined Inter whilst Mancini was still manager, on a free transfer from Fenerbahce, is available with Mancini having left and been replaced by Frank de Boer.

Depending on the price, he'd be another decent option.

Also, we're supposed to be looking at 22 year old Leeds left-back Charlie Taylor, who has one year left on his contract, and Leeds will apparently sell for £7M.

So €7.7M (£6.58M) for 31 cap Dutch international Bruno Martins Indi or £7M for Charlie Taylor, who's played at no higher level than the second tier, and who has 2 caps at England U-19 level.
Martins Indi has 3 U-17, 16 U-19 and 8 U-21 for Holland.

Surely we're not going to attempt to go through the season (as January would be a bust window) with a failed left winger or a right midfielder as our left back options.

There's no telling when Gomez is back, or how his injuries have affected him, plus there's the length of time required to regain complete match fitness and sharpness, so Gomez can be regarded as no more than a 'bonus option' possibly at some point this season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2016, 12:24:58 PM
Liverpool Face Tough Transfer Decision After £18m Bid Is Lodged

http://bet.unibet.co.uk/football/premier-league/transfer-news-today-liverpool-face-tough-transfer-decision-after-ps18m-bid (http://bet.unibet.co.uk/football/premier-league/transfer-news-today-liverpool-face-tough-transfer-decision-after-ps18m-bid)

Do we keep or sell?

If we sold him though, who is there out there who's better and available?

There's no point selling him unless the replacement is an improvement.

Considering how much we've actually spent overall, surely we've got money for a left back and a defensive midfielder without the need to sell Sakho.

Also, unless Klopp really does think that Alexander-Arnold could cover Clyne for an extended period should Clyne suffer a long term injury, and despite him supposedly being a midfielder, then a right back wouldn't go amiss either.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 26, 2016, 10:39:22 PM
Liverpool offer £11 million for rising Borussia Dortmund star Christian Pulisic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/26/liverpool-offer-11million-for-rising-borussia-dortmund-star-chri/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/26/liverpool-offer-11million-for-rising-borussia-dortmund-star-chri/)

Can he play left back, or defensive midfield?   ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 27, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
Liverpool closing in on international star: He'll have a medical within 48 hours

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/541315/Liverpool-pole-position-to-land-Ante-Coric-15m-Man-City-transfers-rumours-gossip-medical (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/541315/Liverpool-pole-position-to-land-Ante-Coric-15m-Man-City-transfers-rumours-gossip-medical)

Attacking/central midfielder. If it puts Coutinho under pressure and gets him performing consistently, then OK.

It just seems like Klopp is stubbornly focused on getting Hendo and Milner to each learn a new position as the season develops.
It's a massive gamble with our entire season.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 28, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
A few sites are reporting we want Leicester's left back, 30yr old Christian Fuchs.

It's doubtful whether Leicester will want to sell so late in the window for anything but an overpriced amount.

Why has it taken 1 match of this season to realise we have a problem at left back?

It was plainly obvious by the end of last season that this was a, if not the, priority position to sort out this Summer.

For me, signing Martins Indi, and especially at this time in the window where Porto aren't looking at a premium price, is the obvious transfer.
Left back gets sorted, we'd have a 4th senior centre half if Sakho is sidelined however that happens, Milner gets freed up and at worse we'd get our money back next Summer having had an entire season to draw up a comprehensive list of targets.

Juanma, or Juan Manuel Garcia to his Mum, has signed from Barca, at 19 he's gone straight into the U-23s, and has already impressed hugely with his early appearances.
Maybe he's an option for next season, but it's this season that's the problem, already.

With Klopp being more used to the Sporting Director/DOF type setup, maybe it's about time we had a full time recruiter, who along with Klopp, but also empowered independently, identified, scouted and drew up a list of players and options required.
Michael Zorc played a massive part in the whole identification and selection process of requirements, options and targets, whilst Klopp was at Dortmund, and I'm not sure Klopp is as used to the totally immersed way 'managers' work in this country where the whole process from start to finish is concerned.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
Liverpool closing in on international star: He'll have a medical within 48 hours

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/541315/Liverpool-pole-position-to-land-Ante-Coric-15m-Man-City-transfers-rumours-gossip-medical (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/541315/Liverpool-pole-position-to-land-Ante-Coric-15m-Man-City-transfers-rumours-gossip-medical)

Attacking/central midfielder. If it puts Coutinho under pressure and gets him performing consistently, then OK.

It just seems like Klopp is stubbornly focused on getting Hendo and Milner to each learn a new position as the season develops.
It's a massive gamble with our entire season.

Apparently not:

Liverpool transfer target cancels medical: £15m deal off

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/704997/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Dinamo-Zagreb-Ante-Coric-medical (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/704997/Liverpool-Transfer-News-Dinamo-Zagreb-Ante-Coric-medical)

So for the sake of our sanity and goals against column, get a left back and a defensive midfielder, then maybe Milner and Hendo can be freed up to contribute more as well. They've certainly got more chance if played in their proper positions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
Luis Alberto: Liverpool agree to sell Spanish forward to Lazio for £4.3m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37216075 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37216075)

A decent seal considering everything, a 30% sell on clause could prove useful if he's able to establish himself and improve in Serie A.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2016, 11:24:51 PM
Mario Balotelli's Liverpool nightmare could be over following talks with Ligue 1 side

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705061/Liverpool-Nice-Mario-Balotelli-Ligue-1-Mino-Raiola-Danny-Ings-Luis-Alberto (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705061/Liverpool-Nice-Mario-Balotelli-Ligue-1-Mino-Raiola-Danny-Ings-Luis-Alberto)

Nice one, Nice. (The taxi's waiting for me outside and my coat's in my other hand).  ;D

Imagine, Balotelli and Benteke, gone, in one Summer.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2016, 11:33:48 PM
Thankfully we've turned down a loan request from Sunderland for Danny Ings:

Liverpool snub Premier League approach for forward: Player unavailable for loan or sale

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705093/Liverpool-Danny-Ings-Sunderland-Jurgen-Klopp-Sale-Loan-Rodriguez-Transfer-News-Gossip-News (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705093/Liverpool-Danny-Ings-Sunderland-Jurgen-Klopp-Sale-Loan-Rodriguez-Transfer-News-Gossip-News)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2016, 11:55:34 PM
Re Klopp's comments about a left back:

"Full-back is not only a winger in the offensive situations, it's something like eight (roles) in different moments so that's a really good position for Milly."

If he expects a left back to have all those strings to his bow, it makes it even harder to understand why he seems to think £7M-£10M is the ceiling price for a full back.

A player who can both defend and attack efficiently is going to be priced accordingly.

Ricardo Rodríguez of Wolfsburg is probably the most adept at what Klopp requires from a left back.  IMHO he would be worth the investment, especially as we need width on the left, as Coutinho cuts inside when he plays there, as would Wijnaldum, and Milner can't cross as efficiently with his left.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2016, 09:16:02 PM
International defender set for Stoke medical: Liverpool and Everton keen

BRUNO MARTINS INDI will have a medical at Stoke tomorrow morning ahead of joining the club on loan, according to reports.

But according to Sky Sports, Martins Indi will head to Staffordshire for a medical tomorrow morning ahead of a loan move with a view to a permanent switch.


http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705465/Bruno-Martens-Indi-Stoke-medical-Liverpool-Everton-keen (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705465/Bruno-Martens-Indi-Stoke-medical-Liverpool-Everton-keen)

So Sakho having been told to go out on loan, then refuses Stoke,  leaving them still needing a defender.

This is going well isn't it. Sakho stays at the club, and is ostracized by Klopp, leaving us a centre half short, in addition to our left back deficiency, and the solution signs for the club Sakho refused to go to on his enforced loan. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2016, 11:40:52 PM
It could get arguably even worse on the Sakho situation, with us losing out on a game of musical centre halves:

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-transfers/7630-mamadou-sakho-could-hold-the-key-to-everton-fc-transfer/ (http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-transfers/7630-mamadou-sakho-could-hold-the-key-to-everton-fc-transfer/)

So potentially Sunderland get Sakho on loan, meaning Stoke don't and they sign Martins Indi. With Sunderland getting a centre half replacement, they allow Lamine Kone to be sold to Everton.
So everyone gets their centre half targets, except us leaving us light there too.

At this rate we'll be playing the old 2-3-5 system, due to the numbers (and lack of) across the different positions. 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/2-3-5_(pyramid).svg/2000px-2-3-5_(pyramid).svg.png)


"Those were the days."
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 12:07:21 AM
Sakho's departure from PSG.

some amazing similarities to now

it's deja vu, all over again


http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/paris-saint-germain/160/blog/post/1852629/sakho-exit-from-psg-a-complicated-one (http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/paris-saint-germain/160/blog/post/1852629/sakho-exit-from-psg-a-complicated-one)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Sakho's departure from PSG.

some amazing similarities to now

it's deja vu, all over again


http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/paris-saint-germain/160/blog/post/1852629/sakho-exit-from-psg-a-complicated-one (http://www.espnfc.co.uk/club/paris-saint-germain/160/blog/post/1852629/sakho-exit-from-psg-a-complicated-one)

It seems like he's got 'too comfortable' at the club, so you can understand Klopp wanting to try and 'reset' his whole mindset.
It could though leave us with a problem of having a 'spare part' around the club and being a centre half short.

Due to his age, lack of experience and the lengthy injury time he's suffered, I don't think it's too wise to 'rely' on Gomez, for either centre half or left back, this season.

If Klopp doesn't want to spend 'big' on a left back, then Martins Indi on loan, with an option to buy, would cover all bases, including keeping him after the end of the season, if there's a problem with Gomez.

Sakho has reportedly now turned down a loan move to Besiktas. This has the potential to get very messy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 12:16:17 PM
Liverpool striker Mario Balotelli having medical with Nice ahead of deadline day transfer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3766855/Liverpool-striker-Mario-Balotelli-having-medical-Nice-ahead-deadline-day-transfer.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3766855/Liverpool-striker-Mario-Balotelli-having-medical-Nice-ahead-deadline-day-transfer.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)

The Balotelli 'saga' is almost worth an entire threadto itself.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 02:07:53 PM
Liverpool transfer news and rumours: Lazar Markovic to stay at Anfield?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-rumours-lazar-8740606 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-rumours-lazar-8740606)

With Mane missing for a month in January/February at the African Cup of Nations, it wouldn't be such a bad thing having Markovic around to cover. Likewise for any injury problem Mane may have.

If Sakho is 'excluded', then whilst he may not be ideal, then Ilori would at least give us a 4th option. If he's given a chance with the U-23s then he may well improve with regular football. He also has the qualities to be a defensive midfielder. Maybe his slighter build goes against him, but he has all the other basic attributes, again if given the chance with the U-23s.

I just think we need to utilise all our playing resources, especially as we've thinned the squad down and we're running on fumes in certain defensive positions and aspects of the squad.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 02:10:57 PM
Jerome Sinclair left us last July for Watford.  He has never played a single game for them.

Now they are lending him out to second tier club Norwich City.

Well played Aidy Ward.  Football idiot. 

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/31/report-norwich-city-one-of-three-championship-clubs-in-talks-ove/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/31/report-norwich-city-one-of-three-championship-clubs-in-talks-ove/)
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 02:13:37 PM
If Klopp doesn't want to spend 'big' on a left back, then Martins Indi on loan, with an option to buy, would cover all bases, including keeping him after the end of the season, if there's a problem with Gomez.

Sakho has reportedly now turned down a loan move to Besiktas. This has the potential to get very messy.

yes, Martins Indi is a good idea.

I think Klopp has washed his hands with Sakho. 

But merely wanted to lend him out for now, til a transfer away in January or the summer.

Our boss wants a tight team unit - and people like Sakho don't measure up.

I also suspect Sturridge is in his last season at Anfield.

Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 04:08:08 PM
Jerome Sinclair left us last July for Watford.  He has never played a single game for them.

Now they are lending him out to second tier club Norwich City.

Well played Aidy Ward.  Football idiot. 

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/31/report-norwich-city-one-of-three-championship-clubs-in-talks-ove/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/31/report-norwich-city-one-of-three-championship-clubs-in-talks-ove/)

When they wanted him in January Quique Flores was manager. I wonder whether they signed him in between Flores leaving and Walter Mazzarri arriving.

Ward will have got his fee, and I guess that's all that matters.

It would be better if the PFA dealt with players under 21, so they can't get uprooted and have their development stunted or ruined by agents looking to move them about for their fees.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
Arbeloa's going to West Ham on a one year deal. I though he'd moved to Milan, but I guess Milan couldn't even afford a free transfer.

He'd have been perfect cover for right back, first choice for left back, and a mentor for his compatriot Moreno.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 04:13:21 PM
Ilori not going to Granada because we're asking too high a transfer fee. I wonder if Tyne Tees or Yorkshire Television can afford him.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 04:24:28 PM
I think Klopp has washed his hands with Sakho. 

But merely wanted to lend him out for now, til a transfer away in January or the summer.

Our boss wants a tight team unit - and people like Sakho don't measure up.

I also suspect Sturridge is in his last season at Anfield.

He knows what Sakho's approach and behaviour has been like recently, even though the Twitteratti would disagree. It's hard to really understand whether he's done with Sakho for good or whether he thinks he needs time away to prove himself up to being a member of Klopp's squad.

If Klopp has decided Sakho needs a break from the club, then Sakho staying to try and prove himself will probably cut no ice. If that was an optional route back into the manager's plans then surely Klopp would have made that clear. I think Sakho risks alienating himself permanently if he stays.
If he really wants to stay then he'd be better served doing what Klopp asks of him. Ignoring those wishes or instructions is just proving Klopp right in his assessment of Sakho's whole attitude.

It definitely could get messy.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 04:59:52 PM
yes, Martins Indi is a good idea.

Mark Hughes thinks so:

Confirmed: Stoke beat Liverpool and Everton international defender

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705846/Stoke-sign-Bruno-Martins-Indi-Porto-Premier-League-transfer-news (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705846/Stoke-sign-Bruno-Martins-Indi-Porto-Premier-League-transfer-news)

Loan with option to buy. Best of both worlds.

Strap on your wings and get out your pray mat. We look exposed defensively. Hopefully that look will prove to be very deceiving.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 08:28:24 PM
I think Sakho risks alienating himself permanently if he stays.
If he really wants to stay then he'd be better served doing what Klopp asks of him.

Ignoring those wishes or instructions is just proving Klopp right in his assessment of Sakho's whole attitude.

whether it be a youngster getting loaned out, or in this very rare instance an ill-disciplined player, being set out on loan - how many ever return and play as a first team regular.

when you get loaned out - from my experiences of following Liverpool - it is never good (despite the positive spin put on it).

Sakho is finished at Liverpool. 
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 08:29:40 PM
Mark Hughes thinks so:

Confirmed: Stoke beat Liverpool and Everton international defender

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705846/Stoke-sign-Bruno-Martins-Indi-Porto-Premier-League-transfer-news (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/705846/Stoke-sign-Bruno-Martins-Indi-Porto-Premier-League-transfer-news)

Loan with option to buy. Best of both worlds.

Strap on your wings and get out your pray mat. We look exposed defensively. Hopefully that look will prove to be very deceiving.

Klopp obviously thinks we have enough for now.

And IMHO he clearly has someone earmarked - and is keeping his pepper dry - and prepared to wait for them to become available.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 08:32:33 PM
Ilori not going to Granada because we're asking too high a transfer fee. I wonder if Tyne Tees or Yorkshire Television can afford him.  ;D

 ;D

Anglia will be keen too

Tes, we are showing our age here.

Wow, I loved those old ITV regions - it was great to see a show from another region.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 09:44:26 PM
whether it be a youngster getting loaned out, or in this very rare instance an ill-disciplined player, being set out on loan - how many ever return and play as a first team regular.

when you get loaned out - from my experiences of following Liverpool - it is never good (despite the positive spin put on it).

Sakho is finished at Liverpool.

Exactly. A player going out on loan is the player's equivalent of a manager getting a vote of confidence from his chairman.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 09:57:41 PM
And IMHO he clearly has someone earmarked - and is keeping his pepper dry - and prepared to wait for them to become available.

Hopefully. Either that, or he hasn't found exactly what he's looking for (apart from those who are obviously beyond our reach). I'd rather not see money spent if the manager's not 100% about a player, because ultimately he'll still be looking for exactly what he wants and all we've really done is recruit more future deadwood.

I'm not comfortable with how threadbare we are on the defensive side, but I'd rather Klopp be fitting the square pegs we already have than buying square pegs.

Interestingly he's not let Connor Randall go on loan to Preston, so there is cover of sorts for Clyne. As he's let Wisdom go on loan to Salzburg, and Flanno for obvious reasons, I guess he must rate Randall above Wisdom.
At least Flanno's on loan in the PL, not the second tier and Wisdom is playing for the defending Austrian Bundesliga champions.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 10:14:15 PM
Balotelli's gone. The club have done what I'd hoped they'd do and let him go with no fee, but without having to pay up the last year of his contract. We've not had to pay him anything, or contribute towards his wages at Nice, and it's not a loan but a permanent transfer.

Hopefully the lessons have been learned on this one.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 10:16:50 PM
;D

Anglia will be keen too

Tes, we are showing our age here.

Wow, I loved those old ITV regions - it was great to see a show from another region.

Grampian was another, LWT London Weekend Television, Thames and there was ATV that became Central.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
Lazar Markovic joins Sporting Lisbon on loan from Liverpool

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2941645/lazar-markovic-joins-sporting-lisbon-on-loan-from-liverpool (http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2941645/lazar-markovic-joins-sporting-lisbon-on-loan-from-liverpool)

"The Serbian will spend the 2016-17 season as part of Jorge Jesus' side -- the manager Markovic played under at Benfica prior to his move to Liverpool."

Hopefully this gets him back on track and he'll be a worthwhile addition to the squad next Summer or we can sell him for a respectable fee.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on August 31, 2016, 11:25:29 PM
Grampian was another, LWT London Weekend Television, Thames and there was ATV that became Central.

memories of the LWT intro logo (divided photo of the Thames merging) thingie to shows

immediate memories of tho opening music to This is Your Life....Eamon Andrews with the famous red book.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on September 01, 2016, 07:13:10 PM
Hey-ho!! Been on holiday for 2 weeks in sunny spain and got back today.

Happy with the out goings and a streamlined squad but no LB and DM will hit us hard.

Said it once and I'll say it again I think we'll struggle to finish top 6.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on September 02, 2016, 11:33:50 AM
Hey-ho!! Been on holiday for 2 weeks in sunny spain and got back today.

Happy with the out goings and a streamlined squad but no LB and DM will hit us hard.

Said it once and I'll say it again I think we'll struggle to finish top 6.

The outgoings have been the major achievement.

Markovic could either rediscover himself and come back and be useful to Klopp, or if Klopp feels he's not required then he's more likely to perform in the country and league he first made his name, and hence allow us to find a buyer and at a potentially higher fee.

I don't think Wisdom will make it here, but he's now more high profile playing on the European mainland, and having shown an appetite for playing abroad, again, he may well be easier to sell next Summer.

Balotelli and Benteke were the big ones to shift, and that incredibly has been achieved.

Hopefully we've seen the last of the Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Beneteke and Balotelli type transfers.

I'll reserve judgement on Wijnaldum until the end of the season, when hopefully Klopp will have had the starting 11, formations etc sorted and whoever plays what position within the midfield area will have adapted to their roles and players like Wijnaldum will be played in roles that cater to their strengths and is therefore given the best 'opportunity' to perform to the maximum.

Obviously I totally agree Edward re left back and defensive midfield. We were crying out for these two positions to be sorted out well before the end of last season, and the start of this season has proved to be more of the same in that regard.

A first choice, capable, specialist left back was a must, and there was even a case for a second one with selling Smith.
Whatever Klopp's criteria for a left back is, it still remains the fact they are an integral part of the defensive unit, and be it positioning, decision making, marking/tracking and the actual physical basics of making a tackle, Moreno fails, both on each aspect individually and collectively.

I can't see him being used on the left of a midfield three in a 4-3-3, unless played in front of a 'stay at home' left back. Possibly the only place he could fill is in a midfield four in a flat 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1, or a 4-4-2 with a more diamond shaped midfield.

As for a specialist defensive midfielder, there may be times when a two from Lucas, Can and Hendo could and should be sufficient, but there are more times, both for the entire game, or maybe when holding on to a hard earned lead, when a defensive midfielder is critical, with Lucas or Can alongside, as a very defensively strong midfield base and shield in front of the back four is critical.

Lucas really now lacks the mobility required and Stewart is most definitely still learning his trade as a footballer, nevermind the specifics of a defensive midfielder, so neither are really suited to be that absolute first choice specialist. Can may have the physical requirements, but lacks the discipline and constant concentration, and I think he sees himself and feels he is more suited to a freer, more attacking minded role than the uber discipline of a defensive sitter.

With attacking fullbacks, and has Klopp has alluded to, he sees the full back as a width provider and very much having a real contribution to make to the attacking side, it's imperative we have a sort of 'sweeper' in front of the defence that is capable of covering across to the flank for the full back, if needs be, and if prudent to leave a more central position. It's far harder to make a case for not having a dedicated defensive sitter sweeping, than it is to make the case for.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on September 02, 2016, 06:57:34 PM
Good to see you back, Ed.

I was gonna reply to Tes's detailed post.  But have not got much time, in a hurry right now.

Just wanted to say - I think Klopp is showing all the signs of being Ferguson-like.....i.e. a stickler for discipline, and enforcing his own way.......we see that with the early and determined way of his transfers - incoming and outgoing this summer.

I know Tes and me disagreed last season - Tes thought Klopp would make only a couple of new signings - whereas I thought (knowing what he did at Dortmund) that he would make wholesale changes in the summer. 

Klopp IIRC took 3 years to turn Dortmund into title contenders.  This season may come to soon for us - more like next season, or the one after. 

But being a dreamer - and watching our games - I hope we can compete this season for the title.  With no European games - we have a real advantage.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: the dude abides on September 02, 2016, 07:00:55 PM
Balotelli and Benteke were the big ones to shift, and that incredibly has been achieved.

Hopefully we've seen the last of the Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing, Beneteke and Balotelli type transfers.

I'll reserve judgement on Wijnaldum until the end of the season, when hopefully Klopp will have had the starting 11, formations etc sorted and whoever plays what position within the midfield area will have adapted to their roles and players like Wijnaldum will be played in roles that cater to their strengths and is therefore given the best 'opportunity' to perform to the maximum.

Dirk Kuyt is a big fan of Wijnaldum.  He says he has "the lungs of a horse" which gives a good indication of how Klopp wants his midfield to work.

It may take the lad a couple of seasons to settle at this level.  But I have high hopes for him.

Like you say, Tes - awesome to see Balotelli and Benteke moved on.

I also would like to see our chief scout - the youngster Barry Hunter moved on. 

It feels like we are relying on Klopp and his German contacts, for all the great lads we are picking up in Germany and nearby.
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on September 05, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
I also would like to see our chief scout - the youngster Barry Hunter moved on. 

It feels like we are relying on Klopp and his German contacts, for all the great lads we are picking up in Germany and nearby.

Are we missing a trick here:

Leicester in talks with Eduardo Macia about replacing former head of recruitment Steve Walsh

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/05/leicester-in-talks-with-eduardo-macia-about-replacing-former-hea/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/05/leicester-in-talks-with-eduardo-macia-about-replacing-former-hea/)

I wonder whether Klopp is giving the recruitment processes at the club a chance to prove things one way or the other.

There's an interview with him re the academy setup and staff where he says he'd rather wait and see how things are working and then make decisions, rather than come in and just change things anyway. I wonder whether he's doing that with the recruitment side too.

With a six year contract it gives him the opportunity to take whatever length of time, whether short or long, to formulate things and alter or keep as, as he sees best, but without the need to make over hasty decisions.

Like you say, Dude, there is a certain similarity with Taggart, and giving Taggart the time he needed certainly proved fruitful.

We've tried the 'throwing money at it' route, and whilst it may have been the wrong people spending it rather than the wrong method, let's see if we can do it a more organic way, with Klopp's ideas of there being no shortcut, or ultimately better way than working with your players, and developing a team by developing your players, out of which a team develops.   
Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Edward224 on January 30, 2017, 07:59:16 PM
Sorry dude this season I think we are going to swap roles in you being the optimist and me the pessimist!!

Apart from Karius and Mane who I believe will be fantastic for us I believe just spend a load of money on either average players or weak/fragile mentality players.

Wijnaldum is average - sorry but he is. He has shown last season he has a weak mentality and if things aren't going right he won't fight for the team. Weak. That plus 11 goals (4 in one game) so really 7 goals all at home.....away from home he's a liability.

Matip - good player but really not a great player however an improvement on Skrtel and Toure so good signing.

Mane - My favourite signing because of his pace and strength but he is inconsistent so he needs to fix that.

Manninger - fulfils the role required so no problem.

Grujic - one for the future

Klavan - Another average signing but at least he is cheap.

We have failed to address our weaknesses mainly at left back and central midfield.

With this current squad I can't see no way no how we finish in the top 6. Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have superior teams. West Ham have the better player out of both teams in Payet (Coutinho will have to match Payet's consistency to take that accolade), Stoke have a decent team and the likes of Everton and Leicester will be our competitors.

We have never failed to finish outside the top 8 since we gained promotion in 1962. However I am really concerned that this is going to happen for us this upcoming season.

I was bang on the money for Mane. I still belief Karius can come good he needs a good 18-24 months though.

I was bang on about Wijnaldum.

I wan bang on about Matip, Manninger and Grujic.

I was wrong on Klavan as he worse than average. I was also wrong in thinking left back would be a weakness as Milner has been great, but we need a proper one in the summer, but I was bang on regarding the midfield.

We will probably finish 5th behind those clubs I mentioned - thankfully for us the rest of the league is crap. Which says more about us than it does anything else.



Title: Re: Summer Transfer Window 2016
Post by: Tes on January 30, 2017, 09:29:27 PM
thankfully for us the rest of the league is crap.

So as long as they're worse than Swansea, Burnley, Bournemouth and Sunderland then fifth it is then.