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Title: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on October 14, 2009, 10:45:34 PM
Liverpool eye Brazil starlet Nilton

Published 22:15 14/10/09 By Mirror Football


Liverpool are poised for a January move for Vasco da Gama starlet Nilton.

Vasco, who once beat Manchester United en route to the final of the Club World Cup in 2000, have fallen on hard times since.

They currently ply their trade in the Brazilian Second Division and are struggling to keep hold of midfield ace Nilton.

The 22-year-old scored a stunning overhead volley in Vasco’s 4-1 victory over Vila Nova and Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has taken note.

The Brazil Under-20 capped Nilton, whose contract expires in January, could now move this winter, with Benitez leading the chase to sign him.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-eye-Brazil-starlet-Nilton-article189099.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-eye-Brazil-starlet-Nilton-article189099.html)
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Juan on October 15, 2009, 12:10:48 AM
No doubt yet another Brazilian superstar likened to Pele, Ronaldo, Romario and Ronaldihno in his homeland.

I hate to be a cynic as usual but I can never get excited about Brazilian or Argentinian unknowns anymore even when they come with you tube videos highlighting their greatness.

Paletta was the last unknown south american that arrived at Liverpool that i was eager to see playing. He came with the knickname of "the drill" due to his tough tackling but in the end he couldnt tackle his dinner. Mark Gonzalez didnt do much to help the South American cause either, jurys still out on Lucas.

As a matter of interest how is Vitor Flora doing in the reserves, havent heard much of him since his arrival last year and he seemed to score goals for fun on you tube. And this isnt a cynical request, im genuinely asking how the lad is doing?

Sorry back to the transfer thread, im not shooting the messanger here but I wouldnt hold out much hope or excitment for this guy if Rafa is tracking him.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on December 24, 2009, 01:15:03 AM
Liverpool FC scuppered in bid to buy Aston Villa striker

RAFAEL BENITEZ’S attempt to sign Emile Heskey looks set to be scuppered by the Anfield credit crunch.

Liverpool manager Benitez is desperate to bolster his strikeforce and is a long-time admirer of England international Heskey.

But the club’s current financial climate, with the Spaniard told he must once again wheel and deal in the transfer market in January, has lessened the chances of Heskey returning to Anfield.

Benitez pondered signing Heskey from Wigan Athletic two years ago, but ultimately declined to follow up his initial interest with the striker eventually making a £3.5m switch to Aston Villa.

Heskey has started only seven Premier League games this season and would welcome the opportunity of coming back to Liverpool as he aims to safeguard his place in England’s World Cup squad for next summer.

But Villa are unlikely to sell cheaply given the player is contracted to the West Midlands club until July 2012, and manager Martin O’Neill would be loathe to help a direct rival for a top-four place.

The forward, who is 32 next month, spent more than four years at Liverpool in the first half of the decade following a then club record £11million move from Leicester City.

Heskey is currently nursing a groin problem that is likely to rule him out of Liverpool’s trip to Villa Park next Tuesday.


http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2009/12/23/liverpool-fc-scuppered-in-bid-to-buy-aston-villa-striker-97319-25457159/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2009/12/23/liverpool-fc-scuppered-in-bid-to-buy-aston-villa-striker-97319-25457159/)

Please, please, please be true - if we don't get Heskey back then I'll start believing in God and Father Christmas.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Irish_Mark on December 24, 2009, 01:21:15 AM
Also linked with Aiden McGeady.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on December 24, 2009, 01:44:15 AM
impressive cards, fellow card sharks.

At this point, I'll have to deploy my Scott Parker card.



Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Kopite999 on December 24, 2009, 01:56:19 PM
If wheeling and dealing means signing another Kyriakos I'd settle for just offloading Dossena!
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on December 24, 2009, 09:29:07 PM
Exactly, I'd rather we used young players than use up precious transfer and wage funds to buy ordinary players who we either barely use anyway and then have difficulty moving them on due to their higher than average salary. 
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on December 24, 2009, 11:26:49 PM
exactly.

On different vein....I wish to feck someone would pay us decent money for Babel.

We need a lot of the deadwood cut out.

Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on December 26, 2009, 06:53:51 PM
Alternatively as our squad in parts resembles a tinder box, could we not drop a careless match and claim off the insurance.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on December 27, 2009, 07:28:16 AM

 :D
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Kopite999 on December 27, 2009, 11:44:57 AM
The rumour today is that Pandev is a serious target on a free. Sign him up i say. Whenever i've seen him he looks a decent player. Also how about Sol Campbell? Not the player he was but a strong and good in the air centre back. And free.

Its a sad state of affairs nowadays when we have to sign players for free. What has our great club become.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on December 27, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
Aren't Inter hot favourites to sign Pandev.

How depressing to see us linked with Hesky, Beattie, Santa Cruz (because of his injury record), even Van Horseface (again because of injuries). We have truly become the Texas Rangers.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Gurdeep on December 30, 2009, 11:38:54 AM
Aren't Inter hot favourites to sign Pandev.

How depressing to see us linked with Hesky, Beattie, Santa Cruz (because of his injury record), even Van Horseface (again because of injuries). We have truly become the Texas Rangers.

...and it doesn't get better Tes.  Just seen a headline on Teamtalks site under paper talk - "Liverpool face a battle with Hull to sign centre-back Ivan Gonzalez from struggling Malaga."

Hull?  who da f....wtf!!! facing a battle!!! do me a favour gov'

Depressing times (shakes head)
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on December 30, 2009, 02:38:22 PM
From the Telegraph's transfer talk section:

"Norwegian international striker Erik Huseklepp could be another of Benítez's targets. However, Wigan and Hull are also reported to be interested in the 25 year-old." 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/5422577/Liverpool-Transfer-Talk---Football-Transfers---Football-Rumours.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/5422577/Liverpool-Transfer-Talk---Football-Transfers---Football-Rumours.html)

Pesky Hull, trying to muscle in on our top drawer transfer coups.  :'(
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 01, 2010, 12:13:53 AM
Marouane Chamakh tells Arsenal: Get in line with Spurs, Liverpool, Everton, Chelsea and Sunderland if you want me


By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 3:29 PM on 31st December 2009

Marouane Chamakh insists Arsenal are not the only club trying to sign him - listing Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton, Chelsea and Sunderland as all registering an interest.
 
The Bordeaux striker also revealed Sevilla had made a concerted effort to take him to Spain, while Italian giants Inter Milan and Juventus had been on the phone to his agent.

The Morocco striker wants to stay at the French champions till the end of the season, when his contract expires and he can leave on a free transfer.

Chamakh can talk to other clubs from January 1, but insists he will make no decision until the end of the season.

Despite claiming he did not want his name bandied about by the press, the 25-year-old has fuelled talk about his future by telling a Moroccan newspaper: 'My agent has been contacted by Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton, Chelsea and Sunderland in the Premier League along with other clubs like Sevilla, Inter and Juventus.

'However, we do not have a concrete offer on the table at the moment and it is still a bit soon for such things.

'When the season ends, I will meet with my agent and we will evaluate all of the offers and decide what is the best for me from a footballing point of view. The economics are not the only important thing for me.'

Despite being highly rated, Chamakh has rarely showed signs of becoming a prolific goalscorer.

After previously failing to register more than 10 goals in a season, Chamakh hit 14 league goals in 34 last season, but has returned just six in 19 Ligue 1 outings this campaign.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1239659/Marouane-Chamakh-tells-Arsenal-Get-line-Spurs-Liverpool-Everton-Chelsea-Sunderland-want-me.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1239659/Marouane-Chamakh-tells-Arsenal-Get-line-Spurs-Liverpool-Everton-Chelsea-Sunderland-want-me.html?ITO=1490)

Exactly what we don't want, another non-goalscoring striker, not even if he's such a hard worker he makes Kuyt look like Babel.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 01, 2010, 12:19:49 AM
Fiorentina Interested In Liverpool's Ryan Babel - Report

Dec 31, 2009 5:06:41 PM

Liverpool forward Ryan Babel is attracting the attention of Italian outfit Fiorentina.

The 23-year-old is being lined up as a possible replacement for Adrian Mutu, who is said to want a move away from Florence.

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is looking to sell his fringe players as he seeks to raise money to spend on new players in the January transfer window.

Italian newspaper Corriere dello Sport claims Liverpool are set to offload Babel in the new year and they report that Fiorentina are preparing to table a bid for the Holland international.

Babel revealed earlier on this season that he was hoping to secure a loan move away from Anfield in January to earn a place in the Holland squad for the World Cup finals next summer.

The Dutchman has never cemented his place in the Liverpool side since his £11 million move from Ajax in 2007.

Babel has scored nine goals in 67 league appearances for Liverpool but has failed to become a regular starter for Benitez's side.


http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/12/31/1719262/fiorentina-interested-in-liverpools-ryan-babel-report (http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/12/31/1719262/fiorentina-interested-in-liverpools-ryan-babel-report)

I would normally ignore anything on Goal.com but as they're taking their story from Corriere dello Sport, I'll make an exception. There may be something in it as Mutu has been linked with West Ham. Let's hope it's a New Year goodbye to (not so) Flyin' Ryan. Even Mother Theresa would run out of patience with him. 
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 01, 2010, 12:27:01 AM
MAXI RODRIGUEZ SET FOR LIVERPOOL MOVE

By Paul Joyce  Friday January 1, 2010

RAFA BENITEZ is planning to bolster his quest for a top-four finish by bringing Argentina midfielder Maxi Rodriguez to Liverpool.

A loan deal for the Atletico Madrid's Rodriguez is being discussed and Anfield officials are hopeful of beating off competition from Boca Juniors in what would be something of a transfer coup.

Liverpool will look to finally offload misfit Andriy Voronin to help smooth the deal and Rodriguez, who turns 29 tomorrow, now looks poised to move to Merseyside for the rest of the season.

Despite speculation linking Real Madrid’s Ruud van Nistelrooy with Anfield, sources in the Spanish capital last night intimated that Liverpool’s business is being done across the city and a switch for Rodriguez would delight his international team-mate Javier Mascherano and also former Atletico club-mate Fernando Torres.


http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149093/Maxi-Rodriguez-set-for-Liverpool-move/ (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/149093/Maxi-Rodriguez-set-for-Liverpool-move/)

This is being reported by several sources, so who knows. A loan deal could work out very nicely as he could provide an alternative to Kuyt and a move might just be what he needs at this stage of his career. Also, with Torres and Masch at the club, he may just settle in a bit quicker. There's no doubting his quality.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 01, 2010, 12:54:30 AM
From the Mail:

"Meanwhile, Ryan Babel is likely to turn down overtures from Fiorentina and delay Liverpool's hopes of bringing players in.

Benitez knows that he'll have to work in the loan market to strengthen unless he can raise cash by selling or agree exchange deals.

He has been offered Olympiakos right back Vasilis Torosidis as a quick fix to Glen Johnson's absence but Benitez is likely to save funds for attack and wide midfield.

He is ready to part with Babel, Andriy Voronin, Andrea Dossena and Philipp Degen, but they are attracting minimal interest.

Babel, 23, represents their best hope of raising funds. But he is not keen on a move to Florence or Turkey, where there has been interest from Besiktas.

Inter will not be given encouragement if they follow up reported interest in Steven Gerrard."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1239769/Rafa-Benitez-wants-Liverpool-loan-deal-Atletico-Madrid-star-Maxi-Rodriguez.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1239769/Rafa-Benitez-wants-Liverpool-loan-deal-Atletico-Madrid-star-Maxi-Rodriguez.html?ITO=1490)

January transfer window 2010 - nothing but let-downs and frustration.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 01, 2010, 03:23:00 PM
if Babel truly wants regular first team football (for the world cup, etc), then he needs to move. 

Rather than move however, I suspect he will be happy to stay and whine.

Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 01, 2010, 05:17:46 PM
if Babel truly wants regular first team football (for the world cup, etc), then he needs to move. 

Rather than move however, I suspect he will be happy to stay and whine.

Agreed, Dude, he certainly seems like the sort. Mentally, he just doesn't have what's required to be a Liverpool player.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 03, 2010, 03:23:44 AM
Agreed, Dude, he certainly seems like the sort. Mentally, he just doesn't have what's required to be a Liverpool player.

I agree, Tes.

my suspicion would be that off the pitch as well, that he's just not at the level of maturity that is needed.  I doubt if he has mixed well with others at the club.

he's in a different country, dealing with a foreign language, a young lad suddenly being paid big money.....and has possibly got into a comfort zone.....feeling he had made it, when he signed at Anfield.

of course the reality is, that the work has only started, when you arrive at a big club.

you're suddenly not the main cog at your smaller previous club....and now are surrounded by classy players at your new club.

sad, but all too common course of events.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 04, 2010, 11:32:39 PM
Argentine striker Rodriguez heading for Anfield
The Mirror, 4th January

Rafa Benitez will hit the January sales with a vengeance, by offloading two players and bringing in a new signing within the next 48 hours. And the Liverpool boss hopes to swiftly follow that up with another player-in/ player-out deal, that he hopes will allow him to spend upwards of £10million on a big-name striker.

The Anfield manager is confident of completing negotiations to bring Argentina international winger Maxi Rodriguez to Merseyside by the middle of the week, initially on a short-term loan deal. That will be preceded by the swift departure of Andrea Dossena and Andriy Voronin, who were both locked in talks last night with potential suitors who had travelled to Liverpool for negotiations.

Rodriguez was left out of the weekend's La Liga game against Sevilla by his team Atletico Madrid so he could open talks with Benitez over a potential switch to Anfield. And last night the 29-year-old's agent Jurgen Milewski revealed a move was close to being finalised. "I can say the chances of a transfer are high," he said.

Atletico are keen on a sale right now at a cut-price rate, with the Argentine winger out of contract in the summer, when they would get nothing for his services. They have also mooted a possible swap deal, with a cash balance, for an exchange between Rodriguez and Italian full-back Dossena. But Benitez is always reluctant to do swap deals, and instead he is trying to conclude a loan for the player until the end of the season, with a view to signing him on a permanent basis then.

Rodriguez wants regular football as he tries to force his way into the Argentina squad before the World Cup Finals in the summer, and is even prepared to take a pay cut on his reported £85,000-a-week wages, to ensure he gets a move to the Premier League.

As the veteran prepares for his imminent arrival, Voronin and Dossena are both in the final stages of negotiations for their departure, after being told they would not play again for the club.

Voronin is poised to complete a near £1.5m switch to Dynamo Moscow, after talks yesterday to conclude the deal, while Dossena met officials from Napoli yesterday for talks over a return to Italy.

Dossena has also had talks with Roma, but Napoli are the only side prepared to meet Liverpool's asking price of almost £5m, which has left him with the one option as Benitez pressures him to go.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 04, 2010, 11:35:45 PM
Benitez fears rift with Villa boss will scupper Heskey signing

The Mirror

The feud with Martin O'Neill has cost Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez the chance to land Emile Heskey in the transfer window.

The pair fell out spectacularly over protracted and bitter negotiations 18 months ago for then Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry, and the rift has never been healed.

And Benitez fears that could cost him any chance of landing Heskey, who he has pursued for the past month, as he looks for a striker who can offer support to - and cover for - Fernando Torres.

O'Neill doesn't want Heskey to leave but with an offer of £5million on the table, he has been tempted. Sources at Liverpool though, fear the Villa boss will instead sell the striker to Chelsea for a similar fee, as his feud with Benitez is continued.

Last night, the former Celtic manager was adamant he didn't want to sell Heskey, when he said: "After the Blackburn game on Saturday, someone asked me about Heskey, a hypothetical question about 'What if Emile wanted to go?' and it took me a bit by surprise.

"I haven't really sat down yet and spoken to any of the players about what is going to happen in January.

"I couldn't give you any guarantees about anything, but we are in a situation here where I would be wanting to keep the players who are making an impact at the football club.

"And I think Emile in the last number of weeks has been really excellent for us. Ideally, because we are involved in different competitions at this minute, I would try and keep them if it's at all possible. I just don't know. I will take every situation on its merits."
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 04, 2010, 11:38:35 PM
okay, heskey is a relatively cheap option.

and yes, Emile would hold the ball up for the team...and be a good foil for Torres.

but I suspect Rafa has also identified, that we are seriously lacking height in our team........and that is a key reason why we cannot defend set pieces this season.

we miss big Sami's height....and also Crouch's height.

Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Kopite999 on January 05, 2010, 11:59:07 AM
I've seen Maxi a couple of times and he could be a good signing for us especially on a loan deal. He's struggled a bit this season but a change of club might do him good. On heskey, in an ideal world i wouldnt have him back. But given our squad, our finances and the fact he'll offer something different i would take him.

On players going out, the quicker Dossena and Voronin go the better. Also i'd get rid of Degan. Kelly and Darby should be given a chance until the end of the season to stake a claim for the right back cover slot.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2010, 11:11:46 PM
Blues move for Babel

Last updated: 5th January 2010

Skysports.com understands Birmingham have made a move to sign Ryan Babel from Liverpool.

Birmingham boss Alex McLeish has targeted a move for Babel as he looks to bolster his squad in the January transfer window.

Blues owner Carson Yeung is ready to make money available to McLeish to make some big-name signings this month and McLeish has earmarked some of the funds to bring Babel to St Andrews.

Birmingham are understood to have firmed up their interest in the Dutchman with a bid for Babel and they are now waiting to see if Liverpool will accept their offer.

Liverpool are thought to be willing to cash-in on Babel as he has failed to hold down a regular place in Rafa Benitez's side since arriving from Ajax in the summer of 2007.

Benitez is prepared to listen to offers for the 23-year-old as he looks to raise funds for his own transfer plans in January.

Birmingham are hoping the chance of regular first-team football will convince Babel to make the switch to St Andrews as he looks to secure his place in the Holland squad for this summer's World Cup finals.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11694_5833726,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11694_5833726,00.html)

Here's hoping. He's had his chances and despite Rafa's sometime straitjacket tactics has proved at least mentally and tactically he just doesn't have it to play for us.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2010, 11:17:19 PM
Dossena 'close to Napoli move' - Agent

Andrea Dossena's agent claims a deal to take the Liverpool defender to Napoli is all but done.

The Italy defender has long been linked with a return to his homeland, with Napoli narrowly missing out in the summer. Reports suggest a five million euro (almost £4.5million) fee has been agreed between the two clubs and Dossena's agent Roberto La Florio is confident his client will pen a four-and- a-half-year deal on Wednesday.

"The player will arrive on a permanent basis with a contract for four-and-a-half years," he told Tuttomercatoweb on Tuesday.

He added: "I believe the player will arrive in Napoli tomorrow.

"At the moment there are logistical problems, that is to say he can't leave Liverpool because of the snow."

Dossena has been strongly linked with a move away from Anfield in the winter transfer window, having failed to live up to his £7million price tag since moving to Liverpool from Udinese in 2008.


http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/latest-sport-news/2010/01/05/dossena-close-to-napoli-move-agent-84229-25533503/ (http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/sport/latest-sport-news/2010/01/05/dossena-close-to-napoli-move-agent-84229-25533503/)*

Again, here's hoping. With Aurelio out of contract in the Summer and yet to sign any form of contract, we really need to use the money wisely and get a quality leftback in to compete with Insua - but who?



*The Sunday Sun is a very long established Scottish (at least originally) paper and nothing to do with Murdoch's retarded, lie peddling sh!t rag. 
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2010, 11:20:20 PM
Liverpool playmaker set for January exit?

Greek side Olympiakos are reportedly preparing a bid for Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun.

The 29-year-old Israeli captain has found himself on the fringes of the first team at Liverpool, struggling to secure a place in the starting XI under Rafael Benitez.

Benayoun joined the Reds from West Ham in 2007, signing a four-year-deal at Anfield for a £5 million fee. He has since made 82 league appearances, scoring 17 times in the process.

This season, the former Maccabi Haifa star has scored five times in 20 appearances for the Merseyside outfit, including a Premier League hat-trick against Burnley.

A two-year contract extension was penned in April 2009, but now reports in Greek publication 'Goal' suggest that Olympiakos have already offered €6M.

The Greek Super League champions have already had a move for Marseille winger Hatem Ben Arfa turned down, and are determined to add some strength in depth at the Karaiskakis Stadium.

Reds fans would be unhappy if Benayoun were to be sold, with the slight midfielder one of the top performers at the club this season. However, Rafa Benitez isn't adverse to making bold decisions in the transfer window, and might be interested if an increased offer is placed on the table.


http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-playmaker-set-for-january-exit- (http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-playmaker-set-for-january-exit-)

Not sure about the source but it's not the only source reporting it.

Quite simply, Rafa don't do it!!!
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 05, 2010, 11:40:16 PM
From the Daily Fail:

"Liverpool look set to sign Argentina winger Maxi Rodriguez on loan from Atletico Madrid and sell Andrea Dossena to Nnapoli for £4m and Andriy Voronin to Dinamo Moscow for £1.5m."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240903/Treadmill-toughens-Fernando-Torres-Liverpool-star-works-overtime-bid-battle-injury.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240903/Treadmill-toughens-Fernando-Torres-Liverpool-star-works-overtime-bid-battle-injury.html?ITO=1490)

If that comes fruition that's 3 positives.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: BandWMisery on January 06, 2010, 01:05:59 PM
If this true its going to be quiet...

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/2010/01/06/liverpool-fc-no-cash-windfall-for-rafael-benitez-92534-25535098/

Though Maxi may come to fruition if this is correct the same article seems about in various disguises. But correct me if I'm wrong isn't this generally the case in the Jan transfer window nothing really happens not just with RB but most managers.

I'm sure some will read between the lines whether the imagined will happen or the implied only May will tell.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: BandWMisery on January 06, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
Curious Tes why do you think he's had his chance..

I only have this to go on but I doubt it is wrong, if the statement is he doesn't fit the RB type of player that I accept.

http://transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spieler/16135/ryan-babel/default/2009/leistungsdaten.html That is a return of 1 goal 154 mins..

http://transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spieler/41242/david-ngog/default/2009/leistungsdaten.html This 1 goal 416 mins

This is a chance http://transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spieler/4010/dirk-kuyt/default/2009/leistungsdaten.html This 1 goal 303 nearly more time then Babel has even had on the pitch. I'm sure we can bring up defending but Kuyt wasn't bought for his defending capabilities. If greedy, lazy etc I remember a certain show boating Manc t*** but given 2 seasons faith turned into something else.

Edit
Correction 3 seasons...
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: BandWMisery on January 06, 2010, 02:20:03 PM
typo Ngog 1 every 104 mins 416 mins played
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 08, 2010, 10:14:05 PM
Babel may have a superior goals per minutes stat but figures can be used to make any argument. When he get's his chance and he has had them, he constantly let's himself down. His decision making is woeful. Like Yossi before him, some would say he hasn't been given enough chances or time on the pitch, but unlike Yossi, he hasn't made the best of those chances. Both players had their moments then were left out when seemingly they's done enough to at least keep their place and earn another chance. Unlike Yossi, Babel has looked disinterested. He may be playing out of position (in his opinion) but you have to earn the right to play, wherever you are played. Both Benayoun and Kuyt have been ask to play in various positions with varying success but the attitude has always been good.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 08, 2010, 10:20:39 PM
Babel has been awful.

I thought when he first appeared at Anfield, and scored that lovely goal (with the John Barnes type swagger when moving the ball from one foot to the other), that we had a potential diamond on our hands.

Sadly, with time, we see that he patnetly doesn't have the skill levels of Barnes......and thus his lack of work ethic, and ability to work for the team, means he is not a Liverpool type player. 

He looks disinterested most of the time. 

But for me, what I see patently every time, is his inability to hold onto possession.  He keeps gifting the ball to the opposition.  And then doesn't show any interest about working to get it back again.

The lad needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: BandWMisery on January 09, 2010, 12:20:06 PM
I think I see that but I'm just not sure it is just down to gpm but also minutes on the pitch...

Not really going to get into right and wrong personally I think enough is enough and whatever the situation is it shouldn't be aired unless you really are looking for away, and if that is the case then that is the case. I was devastated when Given wanted away but he had the fans blessing he did deserve better, but the real one for me was Milner but if they want away then away is best...

The point I'm driving at is regardless of whether a confidence player is good or bad expecting a confidence player to perform with out a consistent run is never going to work.. Going on his site.. http://www.babelofficial.com/en/latest_news.asp?AjrDcmntId=7580
Quote
Hi Chris, thanks for the support.. I need it.. I'm also hopin that I can stay and can be important for the team.. I have faith and confidence in myself but others need to have those as well to give me a chance.
Clearly he feels he hasn't had the confidence in him shown to him, now to me that is 50-50 and management should be getting the best from him.

I just feel to say he's been given his chances when by all accounts he does seem to be a confidence player that he hasn't really been shown that i.e being dropped after scoring. Then to say he hasn't tried with out a good run, when disheartened to give 100% is always going to be tricky. To me its like you expect him to be a super sub and in my little time I can only think of one really great super sub. But they admitted liking being subbed on but also had a good run in the team before finding there calling.

Either way I do see what is being said, I just think its a little unfair to say he's been given time/chances when there is a lot of arguments for not really(You're judging on 4700 minutes over 3 seasons(Which adds up to only 52 all competitions complete games)), I think we would agree he's not versatile, but has he ever really had run up top(Difficult) or even right side being right footed.

Either way it seems out of the speculation pot or RB has valued him greater than 9 tbh my own opinion is that probably was the best you could get if he isn't given a little run out. I just would like to of see him given a good percentage of pitch time and a little bit of continuous run to really feel happy saying he's got greater potential but isn't going to reach it/ he isn't a good player... etc

I totally agree that he hasn't been an impact player(Or earnt a place after a cameo appearance many times) but to me you will never get the best from Babel trying that.

Edit correction on mins to include all games...
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: BandWMisery on January 09, 2010, 12:59:41 PM
The comparison to Yossi seems a little unfair 29 vs 23 or closer 26 vs 20 one is an emerging potential talent the other is an established premier league player. I suspect the better comparison would be Ngog. But to me the crux is confidence player vs one who isn't, many confidence players can have barren periods in prolific runs..

As for the comparison to Kuyt he can do that to but his work ethic hides it on Rawk and elsewhere the joke is his second touch is a tackle(Bit unfair IMO). This is can also be manipulated by figures if the lose pass/2nd touch breaks down the attack then it isn't particularly good. Put it another way as defender IMO I think it comes down to being pressured for 90 mins or the pace of Babel I would of thought an in form Babel would be more feared.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 20, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
Krasic's agent in England

Milos Krasic's agent, Dejan Joksimovic, has revealed that he has been to England to talk to a number of clubs interested in the Serbian.

The CSKA Moscow winger was hugely responsible for helping the Russians qualify for the last 16 of the UEFA Champions League this term in a group that contained Premier League champions Manchester United.

The 25-year-old, who scored four goals in six Champions League group games this season, was awarded for his sterling performances when he collected the Serbian Player of the Year title last month sparking more interest in his services.

CSKA are thought to want to keep hold of their prized asset until June in order to give themselves the best possible chance in Europe but a January move is not out of the question according to Joksimovic.

"Was I in Italy? No I was in England. Many English teams like Milos," he told calciomercato.it.

"Roberto Mancini is thinking of him but currently Manchester City nor the other interested teams have elaborated an official offer.

"CSKA Moscow want to keep him until June. If he leaves in January, Italian clubs are virtually cut off because the player has no EU passport and he costs a lot."

As well as Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United are all reportedly tracking Krasic.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5873571,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5873571,00.html)

So cross another one of the list unless our 'prefered owners' change their spots.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Kopite999 on January 25, 2010, 02:44:23 PM
Liverpool have offered Standard Liege striker Milan Jovanovic a three-year deal with the option for a further 12 months in a bid to land him on a free transfer this summer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2QpimwZrTc

Not the best compilation of goals i've ever seen. But he could be a good string to our bow
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 25, 2010, 08:00:23 PM
Benitez confirms Liverpool talks over Kenwyne Jones

By Soccernet staff    January 25, 2010

Rafael Benitez has confirmed Liverpool have held talks with Sunderland over a deal to sign striker Kenwyne Jones although he is unsure about the current position of the deal.

Liverpool have been linked with Jones for some time, and Sunderland boss Steve Bruce hit out at Benitez on Friday for unsettling the player.

And while Benitez insists he did nothing wrong in the pursuit of Jones, he has confirmed that the two clubs are currently discussing a potential deal.

"I was not dealing with this," Benitez said. "(Managing director) Christian Purslow has been talking with (Sunderland chairman) Niall Quinn so they have to manage the situation because I was not doing anything.

"I prefer not to talk too much because we will create a debate so Christian and Niall will continue to talk if they need to talk. They were in contact but I don't know what the situation is now."

It is understood that Liverpool are privately angry at Bruce's comments, particularly as preliminary talks have been taking place between the clubs since last month. 


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=731172&sec=transfers&cc=5739&cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=731172&sec=transfers&cc=5739&cc=5739)

So now it's official but I'd rather have his partner.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 26, 2010, 11:11:39 PM
Sunderland boss Steve Bruce revives interest in Liverpool striker Ryan Babel


By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 10:34 PM on 26th January 2010

Sunderland are ready to revive their interest in Liverpool misfit Ryan Babel.
Manager Steve Bruce, who was at Bolton on Tuesday night, is wary of carrying on the season without fresh options in attack.

Bruce was reluctant at first to move for Babel but has come round to thinking he may be the best option for now before reviving a bid for Schalke’s Kevin Kuranyi in the summer.

Bruce’s main problem may be convincing Babel to go to the North East. The Dutchman has resisted approaches from Birmingham and Galatasaray, plus offers from France and Germany.

He would prefer to move to either Tottenham or Arsenal but neither club could agree a relative swap deal with Liverpool.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1246311/Sunderland-boss-Steve-Bruce-revives-Liverpool-striker-Ryan-Babel.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1246311/Sunderland-boss-Steve-Bruce-revives-Liverpool-striker-Ryan-Babel.html?ITO=1490)

I feel a 'Sunderland have unsettled Babel' rant coming on.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 26, 2010, 11:48:27 PM
12 million quid for emlyn jones is the height of madness.

Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2010, 02:23:06 AM
12 million quid for emlyn jones is the height of madness.

Eggszackerlee.

Though I may be in a minority of une, I thought the player we should have gone for in the Summer to solve the problem of Torres absenteeism was Bent. He can play up front on his own, has pace and his scoring record stands up to scrutiny. He seems able to be in and out of the team (last season at Spurs the perfect example) yet still score regularly. He wouldn't have been able to play with Torres but I feel he would have been able to combine effectly with anyone else playing either behind him or, for example Kuyt, alongside him.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: barticus on January 27, 2010, 06:37:51 AM
12 million quid for emlyn jones is the height of madness.



Bang on, bizarre that we're ven linked with Jones....
can't believe we're not smashing the AC Milan door down and getting Huntelaar on loan...the guys class! He was brilliant for Real after being injured half the season and scored something like 15 goals in 20..
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2010, 02:42:29 PM
What's even more bizarre is that the likes of Heskey and Jones are seen as players to help share the responsibility for goals with Torres.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2010, 02:51:25 PM
Yossi Benayoun set for Dynamo Moscow as Russian club claim Liverpool star has agreed terms

By Ashley Gray Last updated at 12:31 PM on 27th January 2010

Yossi Benayoun has agreed terms to quit Liverpool for Dynamo Moscow, according to the Russian club's sporting director.

Dynamo are yet to agree a fee with the Barclays Premier League giants, but hope to settle on £7million before the end of the week.

Despite the 29-year-old being one of boss Rafa Benitez's most trusted players, details of talks between Benayoun's agent and Dynamo emerged last week.

Anfield boss Benitez would be reluctant to lose one of his most reliable performers, but with the Spaniard's own future in doubt, cash-strapped Liverpool may be keen to take the money and target other areas.

They are still looking for a striker to take the burden off injury-plagued Fernando Torres and recently sold Andriy Voronin to Dynamo for £1.2m.

The Merseysiders have already signed like-for-like player Maxi Rodriguez from Atletico Madrid, with the Argentina international able to play on the wing or through midfield.   ::)
Dynamo sporting director Konstantin Sarsania said: 'It is true that we have come to an agreement with the player's agent. In the next two days, Liverpool will make their own decision.

'When we completed the signing of Andriy Voronin, consent was given by Benitez. Now the Liverpool coach is against losing Benayoun, but the decision is not his, it is for the club's directors.
'The transfer of Benayoun will happen if the price is acceptable. If they want more than we expect, the board of directors will discuss the issue.'

Israel captain Benayoun was offered a similar move to Spartak Moscow year ago, only to sign a new Anfield deal in the summer.

Dynamo are understood to be offering him a three-year contract, with the option of a fourth year, on terms of about £40,000 a week. The significantly lower tax rate in Russia means he would receive a similar amount as his current deal.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1246432/Yossi-Benayoun-set-Dynamo-Moscow-Russian-club-claim-Liverpool-star-agreed-terms.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1246432/Yossi-Benayoun-set-Dynamo-Moscow-Russian-club-claim-Liverpool-star-agreed-terms.html?ITO=1490)






*Starts dreaming about the day we can break into the top four and see Champions League football at Anfield.*


 
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 27, 2010, 03:31:15 PM
I will be astounded if this is true.

I am a massive fan of Benni.  He's one of our best players.

If we allow him to leave, then the game is up.

Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 27, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
This story has now been officially refuted by LFC on their website.

More quality journalism!  :o
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2010, 07:02:05 PM
This story has now been officially refuted by LFC on their website.

More quality journalism!  :o

So that's it, he's off.  :D
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 27, 2010, 07:21:06 PM
 ;D

well Benni has been linked with all sorts of clubs these few windows.

clubs in cyprus, greece, and now russia.

obviously there is a bit of a black hole in this level of sports journalism - namely, why the fu.ck would you leave a top premiership club, at the peak of your career, to go and play for a noboby, in the arsehole of nowhere.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2010, 07:58:14 PM
Yes he does seem to have more than his fair share of link stories. As this window is so slow I guess journos need to fill column inches and seeing as we've signed a similar sort of player in Maxi, for little or no immediate layout, we're short of cash, Benny is under long term contract, hence higher value, making 5 has been a really easy task. Makes you wonder about the comments 'attributed' to Dinamo Moscow's Sporting Director Konstantin Sarsania. Lost in translation?

At least Dirk's not off to Juve.  ;D     
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 27, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
Yes he does seem to have more than his fair share of link stories. As this window is so slow I guess journos need to fill column inches and seeing as we've signed a similar sort of player in Maxi, for little or no immediate layout, we're short of cash, Benny is under long term contract, hence higher value, making 5 has been a really easy task. Makes you wonder about the comments 'attributed' to Dinamo Moscow's Sporting Director Konstantin Sarsania. Lost in translation?

At least Dirk's not off to Juve.  ;D     

Chuckles CentennaryJohnny will be happy to hear that.

yes, the quotes from the russian bloke are now highly dubious.

journalists do literally often make it up as they go along.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 27, 2010, 09:33:16 PM
journalists do literally often make it up as they go along.

Like this:

Juventus lay groundwork for summer Rafael Benítez move

Andy Hunter guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 27 January 2010 20.53 GMT

Juventus are close to replacing the manager, Ciro Ferrara, with a short-term appointment as they attempt to pave the way for Rafael Benítez to join in the summer. The Turin club are expected to part company with Ferrara following tonight's Coppa Italia tie against Internazionale and had hoped to install the Liverpool manager as an immediate replacement.

Juventus officials now accept they will have a better chance of luring Benítez at the end of this season, when his position is to be reviewed by the Liverpool hierarchy and may decide he has had enough of the club's internal problems should promised new investment at Anfield fail to materialise.

Juventus are believed to have lined up their former defender Claudio Gentile as a stop-gap appointment until the end of the season, although the former Milan and Udinese coach Alberto Zaccheroni is also under consideration. Gentile has never managed at club level, and last coached in 2006 when in charge of the Italy Under-21 side, but his temporary arrival will enable Juventus to appoint a long-term successor in the summer.

A contract is believed  to have been drawn up by Juventus for Benítez as a demonstration of their intent.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/27/rafael-benitez-juventus-summer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/27/rafael-benitez-juventus-summer)

Not sure how anything in that report actually shows that Rafa will be at Juve next season.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 28, 2010, 05:44:43 PM
hard to know what to make of all the many stories from journalists.

there will be lots of chaff among the wheat.

I imagine a highly skilled manager like Rafa is always craved (and being seranaded) by many other teams....all the time.  The media just publicise such links when it suits their agenda of the time (i.e. Rafa's under pressure at Liverpool).
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Juan on January 28, 2010, 06:49:32 PM
Paying more money on a temporary right back, be it wages on a loan signing or a small transfer fee to me is daft.

With Carra, Darby, Kelly just back, Degen when hes back i see it as a complete waste of funds whether it be 10 quid or 10 million.  Johnson isnt exactly a long term injury. We seem to accumulate dead wood.

Why not keep what ever money Rafa is thinking of spending and put it toward a striker

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/football-news/2010/01/28/liverpool-fc-manager-rafa-benitez-wants-right-back-to-fill-in-for-injured-glen-johnson-55578-25709892/


Liverpool FC manager Rafa Benitez wants right-back to fill in for injured Glen Johnson

Liverpool FC manager Rafa Benitez has indicated he is keen to draft in a right-back before the transfer window closes.

Benitez wants to act as Glen Johnson is taking time to recover from medial ligament damage.

In the England international’s absence, Jamie Carragher has been deployed in that role.

However Benitez, whose side face Bolton on Saturday, would like Carragher to return to the centre of the defence.

The Spanish boss knows time is against him to recruit with the transfer window about to close but a fresh face remains a possibly.

"We have to be careful with what we do," Benitez said.

"There are not too many good players around who are available and we will think about it.

"We still have some time but we will not rush if we cannot find the right player for this position."

Benitez does have options to fill in for Johnson.

Martin Kelly has returned to training after a long lay-off while Philipp Degen’s calf problem is not thought to be serious. Stephen Darby is also staking a claim.

Carragher celebrates his 32nd birthday today and Benitez added: "We are really pleased to see him playing as well as he does when he is in the centre of defence or at full-back.

"We have needed him and he is doing well. As for Kelly, he has been injured but has improved."
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: the dude abides on January 28, 2010, 08:10:26 PM
I agree, Juan.

Like what is the point of the whole reserve/squad and Melwood setup, if it can't even as much as offer us a temporary rightback. 

If we're going into the market for a new defender, let it instead be for a new emerging central defender.....a young Hyppia, Skyrtel or Agger.

Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on January 28, 2010, 10:14:19 PM
This is so annoying and sums up Rafa's obsession with defence. As you say dude, what IS the point of reserves if you're never going to call on them?

I can understand the reluctance of H&G to give him funds when he seems to spend them so unwisely.  :(
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: Tes on January 28, 2010, 10:52:36 PM
Journalist: "Rafa, any news on your search for a striker?"

Rafa: "We have to be careful with what we do. There are not too many good players around who are available and we will think about it. We still have some time but we will not rush if we cannot find the right player for this position."

Not quite sure where the Echo gets the idea it's a right back from. Of course, as I don't know the question to which he gave the quoted answer, I could be wrong. The Echo seems to insist it's a right back but even when I try and read between the lines or peer through the smoke I still can't narrow it down to it being a right back. I realise he's talked about Carra and Kelly, but his comments are about Carra playing well in either position. I guess the question asked must have been about a right back if the Echo have stated such. Still confused. It must be coffee time.

So if it is about a right back, what future does Darby have? Degen was one of the favourites to be shipped this window and may be top of the Summer exits list. Kelly's back in training, don't know how close to a full return, but  again where does that leave him for next season assuming Johnson's first choice. Maybe it's just a short term loan signing but the report doesn't indicate whether it's a loan or a permanent signing.

Tomorrow's Echo back page - Benitez sign's Juventus striker.
Title: Re: January transfer thread.
Post by: BandWMisery on January 28, 2010, 11:37:15 PM
What I don't get with all this is LM, even more so with dismissal of the Yossi rumours correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there 5 fighting for this place.. OK some are versatile but generally with Gerrard, Kuyt and Torres on the pitch it leaves LM.

Yossi
Maxi
Reira
Babel
Ngog

I know you could say Ngog and Babel are supposed to be strikers and Maxi/Yossi can play both sides and probably centre but lets be honest Kuyt is indestructible. I swear in 1000 years time some archaeologist will find him perfectly preserved. Which means more often than not it will be LM, I have to say I don't actually know who is your LM certainly it seems Yossi has started earning it.