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Title: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on February 03, 2010, 11:42:41 AM
Liverpool FC agree Serbian striker Milan Jovanovic summer move

Feb 3 2010 by Ian Doyle, Liverpool Daily Post

RAFAEL BENITEZ’S summer squad rebuilding began in earnest yesterday when Milan Jovanovic sealed a move to Liverpool.

The Serbia international has signed a pre-contract agreement that will see him arrive from Belgian club Standard Liege at the end of the season.

Jovanovic’s consistently impressive form had attracted a clutch of potential suitors from across Europe, including Italian giants AC Milan.

He was reported to be stalling over a move to Liverpool until assurances were made over the long-term future of Benitez.

But the 29-year-old has now negotiated a three-year deal at Anfield that commits him to the club until at least 2013.

Jovanovic boasts a record of a goal almost every other game during his spell at Standard Liege, for whom he appeared against both Liverpool and Everton in European competition last season.

A regular for Serbia, he is expected to play a key role for his country in this summer’s World Cup finals in South Africa.

And Jovanovic will have endeared himself to Liverpool supporters with his claims a year ago of having rejected a move to neighbours Everton by saying: “Everton aren’t a big club. That club I have turned down already.”

Benitez has been keen to bolster his attacking resources given the ongoing fitness concerns of Fernando Torres and last month’s departure of Andriy Voronin.

The Liverpool manager also remains interested in Marouane Chamakh, Bordeaux’s highly-rated striker who is also available on a free transfer in June.

Jovanovic’s imminent arrival is a sign of Benitez planning for life at Anfield beyond the end of the season, despite continued interest from Juventus.

But Jamie Carragher believes such rumours are nothing new, and is confident Liverpool’s players can ignore outside influences ahead of Saturday’s visit of Everton for the Merseyside derby.


http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/02/03/liverpool-fc-agree-serbian-striker-milan-jovanovic-summer-move-92534-25749997/2/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/02/03/liverpool-fc-agree-serbian-striker-milan-jovanovic-summer-move-92534-25749997/2/)

Watch out for him at this Summer's World Cup as Serbia are there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on February 03, 2010, 02:59:23 PM
His grandkids apparently persuaded him to go to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Dermac50 on February 04, 2010, 01:37:47 AM
Glad to see Rafa will be getting another striker in the summer. Don't know much about him put he'll be welcome at Anfield. Could the Yanks finally be freeing up some funds and really investing in the team?
I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Redman on February 04, 2010, 07:59:28 AM
I thought I read just after the New Year that Chamakh (sp) had signed a pre-contract agreement? or did that fall thru?

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on February 04, 2010, 11:49:47 AM
Jovanovic has signed nothing

By Francisco Acedo   Last updated: 4th February 2010

The agent of Milan Jovanovic claims his client is not on the verge of signing a pre-contract agreement with Liverpool.

Reports earlier in the week had suggested that the Serbian playmaker was close to committing his future to the Reds and was expected to form part of Rafa Benitez's squad in 2010/11.

However, it has now emerged that such a deal has not been put in place, with the Standard Liege forward yet to decide where his next move will take him.

Jovanovic has plenty of avenues to explore, with numerous clubs monitoring his situation.

Liverpool had hoped to beat the rush for his signature by reaching an agreement in January, but could be about to see those efforts come to nothing.

"There are many possibilities," Jovanovic's agent Zoran Stojadinovic told Superdeporte.

"The situation will be resolved soon, but he has not signed for any club as yet."

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It is believed that Spanish giants Valencia have edged ahead in the race to land Jovanovic, with Stojadinovic admitting that discussions with the Primera Liga outfit are 'very advanced'.

However, there are plenty of other sides still in the frame and nothing has been ruled out as yet.

"There is plenty of interest from Spain," added Stojadinovic.

"But there are also a number of clubs from across Europe that remain keen."



http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5917446,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5917446,00.html)



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Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on February 09, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
Another one get's away:

Rafa concedes Chamakh defeat

By Ben Collins   Last updated: 9th February 2010

Rafael Benitez believes Liverpool's chances of signing Bordeaux forward Marouane Chamakh in the summer are now dead.

The 26-year-old is available on a free transfer as his contract with the French champions expires at the end of the season.

Benitez had hoped to lure the Morocco international to Anfield and only last month the Reds appeared to be leading the race for his signature.

But Chamakh has since expressed an interest in joining their Premier League rivals Arsenal while reportedly hitting out at Liverpool for being "fussy" over contract negotiations.

Benitez has now conceded defeat in his bid to secure Chamakh's services and is angry that talks broke down.

"I think that we will not sign him - but I will not say [any more]," said the Liverpool boss.



http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5928428,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5928428,00.html)

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Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on March 03, 2010, 08:53:04 PM
Kjaer courts Liverpool move

Last updated: 3rd March 2010

Palermo want to keep hold of star defender Simon Kjaer, despite the player admitting he would like to leave the club at the end of the season.

Kjaer has conceded he wants a move to one of the bigger clubs in European football - highlighting Premier League giants Liverpool as his preferred choice.

The 20-year-old - who joined Palermo just over two years ago - says he is seeking a new challenge in his career, but insisted any switch would have to be to an 'attractive club'.

The central defender still has over two-and-a-half years left on his current deal at the Stadio Renzo Barbera, however the Dane is eager to finalise a transfer before he turns his attention to World Cup duties with his national side.

Kjaer said: "I will take a step towards the dream or I will stay in Palermo. I would prefer to have it sorted out before the World Cup. I am ready for a new challenge, but is has to be an attractive club.

"(The) Premier League is the best league in the world and then there is Barcelona and Real Madrid in Spain.

"England and the physical playing style would probably suit me better. In case the right offers come, it would be exciting to form a partnership with (Daniel) Agger (at Liverpool)."

Officials at the club are not as keen to let their prize stopper exit, though, with Palermo president Maurizio Zamparini saying he does not want coach Delio Rossi to lose key players in the close-season.

Palermo currently sit fourth in Serie A and are well positioned to secure a UEFA Champions League berth, a feat which Zamparini believes could persuade the likes of Kjaer to remain in Italy.

He said: "I hope that all can remain in Palermo and maybe if we go into the Champions League, (the) boys are more encouraged to stay.

"I want (Edinson) Cavani, Javier Pastore and Kjaer to remain here. Kjaer is much too an important player for us - I'd buy him again just to not make him go away."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6000906,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6000906,00.html)

If this were to happen it would definately be a step in the right direction. However...............
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on March 15, 2010, 05:04:27 PM
Rami up to speed on marking Torres

Published: Monday 15 March 2010, 12.58CET


LOSC Lille Métropole defender Adil Rami is relishing the challenge of trying to keep Fernando Torres quiet for the second time in eight days as the Ligue 1 outfit travel to Liverpool FC looking to book their place in the UEFA Europa League quarter-finals.

Rami had been hoping to face the Spanish international three times this month after receiving a call-up to the France squad for the friendly against the UEFA EURO 2008 winners, yet the 24-year-old had to settle for a watching brief in Paris on 3 March. Eight days later the uncapped centre-back showed Les Bleus coach Raymond Domenech he is capable of competing with the best with a commanding display in Les Dogues' 1-0 first-leg victory against Liverpool.

Torres proved a handful throughout, and was unlucky not to score with a first-half header that drew a superb save from Mickaël Landreau. Yet Rami was delighted to have helped restrict the English club to only a handful of chances. "We're playing against one of the best teams in Europe and, even if they aren't in brilliant form, they still have some of the best players in the world," he told UEFA.com. "It's really nice to have a chance to measure yourself against the best and see what level you're at. Overall, we kept our focus well."

Of his own duel with Torres, Rami said he was relieved to have denied the 25-year-old space for much of the contest. "You have to be so careful with him," the Corsican-born centre-back explained. "He's good in the air, he's strong and he imposes himself. Above all, you can't let him turn because when he does he runs at 2,000 kilometres an hour! But I did pretty well. Apart from one moment in the first half when I tried to take the ball past him, I managed to keep my concentration."

Rudi Garcia's charges will now look to draw inspiration from another French team, Olympique Lyonnais, who won the home leg of their UEFA Champions League tie against Real Madrid CF 1-0 before progressing to the last eight. Rami believes they are capable of emulating that feat. "We're holding all the cards. But at the same time, we should keep our feet on the ground because if we can win at home then so can they. It'll be a true battle and we'll need to give it our all. But even if we concede three at Anfield and go out, I'm sure we'll have done our best."


http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/matches/season=2010/round=2000039/match=2000952/prematch/focus/index.html (http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/matches/season=2010/round=2000039/match=2000952/prematch/focus/index.html)

We were linked with him a few weeks back IIRC and it'll be interesting to see how he deals with Torres again on Thursday.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 03, 2010, 10:24:30 AM
Clearly Benitez is puzzled by the situation but one thing he is sure on is Albert Riera’s standing in the squad; though the winger tried to broker peace with Liverpool on Thursday, his attempts of reconciliation will be futile.

Benitez, whose side face Birmingham City tomorrow, is still furious that Riera did two radio interviews before Liverpool faced Lille in the Europa League and called the club a “sinking ship”.

Riera’s loan move to Spartak Moscow collapsed after he asked the Russian club to double his wages but there is unlikely to be any way back for him at Anfield, even though he feels there can be.

“We still have some time until the end of the Russian transfer window so we will see what happens,” said Benitez.

“I didn’t see his latest comments but for me, on the day before a massive game when he was talking this way was disappointing. It was especially so when he was saying things that weren’t true, so I was really surprised.

“I was really disappointed with his timing and the comments themselves. He also said he wants to play, that’s why he had to go, but our fans are not stupid and they will know what’s going on. We’ll see what happens now.”

The Reds boss, meanwhile, has brushed aside fears that an uneven pitch at St Andrew’s tomorrow will stymie Liverpool’s hopes of pushing for the top four and wants to see another encouraging performance.

“It’s always difficult when the pitch isn’t good enough, so we will have to see,” said Benitez.

 “After a couple of days rest we will check the players and see how they are.

“If we have to rest someone we will see because we want to keep the performance at the same level. But at this moment I don’t see anyone as a risk. The pitch will be the same for both sides, but we will have to show character too.”


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/04/03/rafa-benitez-has-no-idea-when-liverpool-fc-s-alberto-aquilani-will-play-again-55578-26166396/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/04/03/rafa-benitez-has-no-idea-when-liverpool-fc-s-alberto-aquilani-will-play-again-55578-26166396/)

Let's hope this blert is the first one out of the window (preferably a fifth floor one) come the Summer.

We really need to reassess both the physical and mental criteria we are using when looking at potential signings. No more Babbels, Rieras, Degens and Aquilanis. We can't afford anymore mistakes in this area as it's having an equally large impact on the quality of the squad as the funding situation is.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on April 05, 2010, 05:25:58 PM
Standard Liege forward Milan Jovanovic has insisted his summer move to Liverpool is still going ahead despite suggestions of a problem.

The 28-year-old Serbia international agreed terms with the Reds in January and is set to move on a free transfer at the end of the season. And despite reports of a hitch, Jovanovic is confident everything is still going to plan.

"For me, it's sorted. The only thing is that my work permit is not yet in order," he said.

"But I have until June to get it. I'm at ease. Next season I will play at Liverpool."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 05, 2010, 08:15:53 PM
Standard Liege forward Milan Jovanovic has insisted his summer move to Liverpool is still going ahead despite suggestions of a problem.

The 28-year-old Serbia international agreed terms with the Reds in January and is set to move on a free transfer at the end of the season. And despite reports of a hitch, Jovanovic is confident everything is still going to plan.

"For me, it's sorted. The only thing is that my work permit is not yet in order," he said.

"But I have until June to get it. I'm at ease. Next season I will play at Liverpool."

Let's hope his work permit situation doesn't turn into a saga as others have done previously.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 07, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
Kolarov flattered by Reds link

Last updated: 6th April 2010

Lazio defender Aleksandar Kolarov is honoured to be linked with the likes of Liverpool and Real Madrid, but insists that he has not received a 'concrete' approach.

The full-back is hot property in Serie A and reports in the winter transfer window suggested that Inter's Goran Pandev had pleaded with the 24-year-old to move to the Giuseppe Meazza.

Liverpool are rumoured to be in the market for a left-back following the unimpressive season of Emiliano Insua and Kolarov has been mentioned as a target, while Real are also thought to want to reinforce their defence.

The Serbia international is pleased to be attracting such interest, however, he maintains that he has not been in official contact with either of the European giants.

"I open the newspapers on a daily basis and find that different clubs are interested in me," Kolarov told lalaziosiamonoi.it.

"The interest from Real Madrid, Liverpool and Inter cannot but flatter me. However, up until now there has never been anything concrete."

Asked about the speculation regarding Pandev, Kolarov added: "No, it's absolutely not true that he called me to ask that I move to Inter.

"We talk simply as two friends. We don't just speak about football."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6078761,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6078761,00.html)

At least he's not Italian.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on April 24, 2010, 10:36:42 PM
Liverpool in talks for Real Madrid striker Benzema


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-in-talks-for-real-madrid-striker-benzema


Liverpool are moving to trump Manchester United for troubled Real Madrid striker Karim Benzema.

 The former Lyon star has failed to settle in Madrid this and been engulfed by troubles off the pitch in his native France.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson is a big admirer of Benzema, but Reds rival Rafa Benitez has stolen a march on him by opening serious transfer talks with Real Madrid this week.

Benitez is taking interest in an imminent clear-out at the Bernabeu that will include Rafael Van der Vaart, Lassana Diarra, Benzema, Christoph Metzelder and Royston Drenthe.

Liverpool took the opportunity of travelling to Madrid to hold talks with Real officials about available players and Benitez is believed to have singled out Van der Vaart and Benzema as potential targets.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on April 24, 2010, 10:46:00 PM
Didnt realise Real are now accepting shirt buttons as payment for their players. Seems a bit far fetched given our financial situation and he'll probably cost around 25-30 million. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if we signed anyone worth anything over 10 million.and that will be with players going out the door first.

However if there is a bit of truth in it it would definately be a step in the right direction. Also on the same website van der vaart has been linked...

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on April 24, 2010, 10:48:56 PM

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/liverpool-tempted-by-move-for-van-der-vaart

Liverpool tempted by move for Van der Vaart

Liverpool are considering a summer move for Rafael van der Vaart, having been offered the chance to sign the Holland international by Real Madrid.


Club officials met in the Spanish capital before Liverpool's Europa League semi‑final against Atlético Madrid on Thursday, with Real taking the opportunity to try to offload several players deemed surplus to requirements by the club president, Florentino Perez. Liverpool were interested in Van der Vaart, who was offered despite forcing his way into Manuel Pellegrini's plans this season, in a deal that would see Real recoup much of the €13m they paid Hamburg in 2008.

Whether Rafael Benítez envisages a role for the 27-year-old midfielder in his plans is not clear and there are several issues for the club to address before pursuing a deal for the former Ajax favourite. Liverpool's interest, however, has been registered.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on April 24, 2010, 11:25:25 PM
I would be happy with Van Der Vaart but Benzema would be the scoop of the summer.

The thoughts of Benzema and Torres leading the line is appealing. But as you say Kopite we cant afford him. Another reason I dont believe Benzema will end up at Anfield is because Rafa would then have to change his tactics to play 2 up front and hes not going to do that.

I wouldnt pay major money for VDV but if we could snare him for 8-10 million he would be worth it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 25, 2010, 12:37:36 AM
I would be happy with Van Der Vaart but Benzema would be the scoop of the summer.

The thoughts of Benzema and Torres leading the line is appealing. But as you say Kopite we cant afford him. Another reason I dont believe Benzema will end up at Anfield is because Rafa would then have to change his tactics to play 2 up front and hes not going to do that.

I wouldnt pay major money for VDV but if we could snare him for 8-10 million he would be worth it.

The €13M for VDV seems a bit steep but if we could net him for around half that, in fact for anything less than we get for Benny from the Russians (as that rumour just refuses to die) then it could be a smart piece of business.

I really don't know what to make of Benzema. Is he the real deal (no pun intended) or not? I'm not sure if we should be looking for a partner for Torres but rather cover for him. I'd rather have Darren Bent as cover. He does the lone striker thing really well, excellent scoring record no matter who he's played for, the size of the club and the regularity with which he's play (which is crucial in this role) and is English, which will help when all the quotas come in.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 25, 2010, 01:11:13 AM
A certain publication has a piece, with quotes from Torres, where he appears to be blaming his injury problems on the physicality of the Premier League and questioning his long term future in it.

Whether there's anything in it or not remains to be seen, but there are two other factors worth taking into consideration. The first is that with the Barcelona presidental elections looming, Torres is just the sort of player any candidate would build his campaign around, especially with the added bonus of Torres being Spanish, with the UEFA quotas on the horizon and if he really has doubts about the Premier League's long term effect on his health it could just be the perfect way out for him. Secondly linked to that is the fact that Mancini wants Ibrahimovich at City after working with him at Inter, especially with rumours that Adebayor is looking for a way out after problems with some of his team mates and Mancini. Ibrahimovich is just the sort to go for it especially if Sheik Moneybags decides to make him this Summer's headline signing.

I hope Hicks' statement about it being a big Summer doesn't come true for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on April 25, 2010, 09:53:06 AM
The €13M for VDV seems a bit steep but if we could net him for around half that, in fact for anything less than we get for Benny from the Russians (as that rumour just refuses to die) then it could be a smart piece of business.

I really don't know what to make of Benzema. Is he the real deal (no pun intended) or not? I'm not sure if we should be looking for a partner for Torres but rather cover for him. I'd rather have Darren Bent as cover. He does the lone striker thing really well, excellent scoring record no matter who he's played for, the size of the club and the regularity with which he's play (which is crucial in this role) and is English, which will help when all the quotas come in.

7 or 8 million would be good business for VDV but as you say no more. Whether he would be replacing Benni I'm not so sure, I get the impression Benni would love to stay but isn't necessarily Rafas first choice. He like some other of our players will most likely see how things develop before deciding his next step. I wouldnt be surprised if Masch, Gerrard, Torres and Babel are all weighing up their futures.

Benzema will be a class act if he leaves Real. The only thing is I think Untied will sign him. In relation to Bent agreed he has done really well wherever he has gone, probably deserves a crack at a top club. I think the fact he has scored more than Tevez yet Tevez gets a player of the year nomination and Bent doesnt is ridiculous. Bent would cost big bucks though, I assume Sunderland would be looking in the region of 20 plus million and he would never play second fiddle to Torres and with his goal record why should we expect him to really.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on April 25, 2010, 12:24:02 PM
I find it hard to think where VDV would fit in unless one of our "big names" is offloaded. I think he would play well behind the striker but would he shift Gerrard back ?? and then what about Aguilani ?? I could also see Lucas being pushed down the pecking order to try and fit all these players in so what would he do ?? Maybe Benni would leave but he is a more flexible player than VDV in my eyes and can play anywhere around a striker.. could he use him to move Babel out the door ??

Thing is.... is it even worth thinking about at this time of year?? He'll probably end up in Germany or maybe Italy where he's almost definately going to get a regular start.. Rumours in the summer are hardly reliable never mind this early in the year..

Jas

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 25, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
A certain publication has a piece, with quotes from Torres, where he appears to be blaming his injury problems on the physicality of the Premier League and questioning his long term future in it.

Whether there's anything in it or not remains to be seen, but there are two other factors worth taking into consideration. The first is that with the Barcelona presidental elections looming, Torres is just the sort of player any candidate would build his campaign around, especially with the added bonus of Torres being Spanish, with the UEFA quotas on the horizon and if he really has doubts about the Premier League's long term effect on his health it could just be the perfect way out for him. Secondly linked to that is the fact that Mancini wants Ibrahimovich at City after working with him at Inter, especially with rumours that Adebayor is looking for a way out after problems with some of his team mates and Mancini. Ibrahimovich is just the sort to go for it especially if Sheik Moneybags decides to make him this Summer's headline signing.

I hope Hicks' statement about it being a big Summer doesn't come true for all the wrong reasons.

This is what I was referrring to:

Torres - PL could finish me

Last updated: 25th April 2010

Fernando Torres is concerned his health is at risk by playing for Liverpool in the Premier League and fears he could be injured for life if he stays in England.

All the recent speculation has seen the Reds' star striker being linked with £60million move to Manchester City in the summer.

But the former Atletico Madrid marksman has hinted he will leave the British Isles if he does say goodbye to Anfield.

"The Premier League is such a tough competition and I have always admired this championship and the players who are here," Torres, whose season has been scuppered by a knee injury which could see him miss the start of the World Cup with Spain, told The News Of The World.

"This is my third season and I'm still amazed to see (Steven) Gerrard, (Wayne) Rooney and (Frank) Lampard, players who have been here a long time, still playing at such a high level and with such impressive rhythm because the English league really wears down a player.

"I just can't imagine what state I'll be in within five or six years if I continue to play here - it could easily give me problems when I stop playing. The physical level is superior to all other countries."

Ruthless
Torres has admitted that he would not have come to England had it not been for Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez, who has the right managerial approach for the 26-year-old to improve his game.

"If I score twice in a game I want to hear that I played badly to help me do even better next time," he added.

"Rafa is ruthless and sometimes it is tiring but he knows the right way to deal with me.

"I have put in a lot of effort but you always need someone who brings the best out in you, someone who is very demanding.

"If Rafa had not been here I would never have come. He has taught me a lot and he has helped me go beyond my limits and to be the player I am today."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6114773,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6114773,00.html)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 25, 2010, 06:46:51 PM

In relation to Bent agreed he has done really well wherever he has gone, probably deserves a crack at a top club. I think the fact he has scored more than Tevez yet Tevez gets a player of the year nomination and Bent doesnt is ridiculous. Bent would cost big bucks though, I assume Sunderland would be looking in the region of 20 plus million and he would never play second fiddle to Torres and with his goal record why should we expect him to really.

We probably missed the boat last Summer with Bent when he left Spurs. Still it would be great to see us linked just to watch Fathead's head explode.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on April 25, 2010, 11:30:49 PM
Sorry lads but bent isnt good enough to wear the red shirt.He's a good player in crap teams but a shed player in a decent team. He's found his level.let him stay there
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 12:12:41 AM
Sorry lads but bent isnt good enough to wear the red shirt.He's a good player in crap teams but a s*** player in a decent team. He's found his level.let him stay there

Look at his scoring record especially at Spurs where he was in and out of the team (same as he would be here). There aren't many strikers who can come in and hit the ground running. He's not good enough to be first choice but as a player who can come in and be relied upon to get goals when Torres isn't available, he fits the bill.

Who else is there with that sort of scoring record who wouldn't need three or four games to find his rhythm before scoring? Unless we could find a good youngster who would be prepared to bide his time but could get the goals and play the lone striker role with as much success. I can't think of anyone English/home grown and if we're not careful we'll have problems when UEFA's and the Premier League's quota systems start.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 12:26:26 AM
Reds line-up Shelvey deal

Last updated: 25th April 2010


Liverpool are set to win the race to sign Charlton starlet Jonjo Shelvey, skysports.com understands.

The 18-year-old midfielder has long been touted as one of the finest young prospects in England.

He has previously turned down Chelsea's overtures, whilst Tottenham, Arsenal and West Ham are also known to have been keen on securing his services.

However, skysports.com now understands that Liverpool have indeed won the battle for his services.

Despite the ongoing uncertainty at Anfield over boss Rafa Benitez and the club's owners, they have managed to seal a deal for Shelvey.

It is understood that the teenager will travel to Merseyside early next week to undergo a medical before completing a summer switch.

Shelvey will finish the season with Charlton, who he still hopes to guide back into the Championship.

The 18-year-old has long been touted as one of the finest young prospects in England.

He has previously turned down Chelsea's overtures, whilst Tottenham, Arsenal and West Ham are also known to have been keen on securing his services.

However, skysports.com now understands that Liverpool have indeed won the battle for his services.

Despite the ongoing uncertainty at Anfield, over boss Rafa Benitez and the club's owners, they look to have managed to seal a deal for Shelvey.

It is understood that the teenager will travel to Merseyside early next week to undergo a medical - before a summer switch.

Shelvey will finish the season with Charlton, who he still hopes to help back into the Championship.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6116529,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6116529,00.html)

Good to see us linked with players the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal are also looking at instead of the likes of Bolton and Everton that seem to be the sort of clubs linked with players we now seem to be scrapping for.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 12:41:22 AM
I find it hard to think where VDV would fit in unless one of our "big names" is offloaded. I think he would play well behind the striker but would he shift Gerrard back ?? and then what about Aguilani ??

Jas


I would like to see Gerrard moved back from next season, giving us a bit more creativity and a better range of passing from deeper, whilst still allowing him to choose his moments to break forward and combine with Aquilani or Lucas who should play in advance of Gerrard and link with Torres. It might just prolong Gerrard's career whilst placing less of a physical demand on him as it did when Roy Evans moved Barnes back into a deep lying central midfield role.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on April 26, 2010, 05:53:59 AM
darren bent didn't pull up any trees at ipswich.  But he subsequently had a good scoring record at charlton and now Sunderland.

When he had stepped up a grade, to Spurs, for two seasons (2007-2009), his scoring was minimal (8 goals from 36 appearances in 2007/2008 and 17 goals from 43 appearances in 2008/2009).

Maybe if he is available for minimal money, he would be worth a risk, as a second (or third) striker.  I dunno.  Rafa would pick up a lot of flak if he signed him tho.

Not that I expect Rafa to be around, come the summer.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 11:18:16 AM
darren bent didn't pull up any trees at ipswich.  But he subsequently had a good scoring record at charlton and now Sunderland.

When he had stepped up a grade, to Spurs, for two seasons (2007-2009), his scoring was minimal (8 goals from 36 appearances in 2007/2008 and 17 goals from 43 appearances in 2008/2009).

Maybe if he is available for minimal money, he would be worth a risk, as a second (or third) striker.  I dunno.  Rafa would pick up a lot of flak if he signed him tho.

Not that I expect Rafa to be around, come the summer.

The thing about Bent, especially at Spurs, is that he can come in/on and score at a decent rate without a multi-game settling in period. He can play as a lone striker, has pace and with one eye on the quotas, he's English.

We need cover (hopefully not a replacement) for Torres, who's probably a similar style player to Nando. Either we look at an older player nearer to the end of his career than the start, or we find a younger player who can make an impact when needed but isn't ready to perform consistently over a full season. But it's who? And with the quota system around the corner, the nationality is equally important. We need to balance this so that we don't have to juggle nationalities within the squad/team and maybe have to omit a first choice player in favour of another because of quota rules.
Maybe there's a case therefore to keep Babel (yeah, I know) and focus on developing him quickly as a striker, as he'd count as homegrown soon, I think.
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 11:39:59 AM
And now for something completely different, er, bizarre:


Carlos Tevez to walk if Manchester City miss out on Champions League spot


By Joe Bernstein Last updated at 11:58 AM on 25th April 2010


Carlos Tevez is set to stun Manchester City fans by fighting for a summer move if the club fail to qualify for the Champions League.
Tevez has become increasingly disillusioned at life at Eastlands under manager Roberto Mancini, and his adviser Kia Joorabchian is believed to have contacted some of Europe's leading clubs as a contingency if City miss out on the top four.
City fans will be dismayed by the split between Tevez and Mancini, having taken the 26-year-old striker to their hearts following his arrival from Manchester United at the start of the campaign.

The Argentine has scored 28 goals this season and has been nominated for the PFA Player of the Year award, which will be announced tonight.

But he publicly questioned the sacking of Mark Hughes in a recent interview and openly disagreed with Mancini's decision to make the players train twice a day.

He also voiced his displeasure about City using his image in a provocative 'Welcome to Manchester' poster campaign.

Significantly, Joorabchian, an important figure in Tevez's life, has fallen out with the hierarchy at City following the departure of Hughes and will not be averse to finding Tevez a new club if instructed to do so.

Real Madrid and Inter Milan will be among the contenders to sign him, but there could also be a surprise move from Liverpool, even though their own Champions League hopes are slim.
Liverpool hope the fact that Tevez's friend and Argentina team-mate Javier Mascherano is at the club will boost their chances, although the player would have to kick up a real fuss at Eastlands before City allowed him to move to Anfield for a cut-price £18million.

Mascherano is in contract talks with Liverpool but negotiations have dragged on for weeks.

Manager Rafa Benitez admitted: 'We were very close, but I don't know if something has changed since the last time I spoke to him, which was a few days ago. I still expect him to sign.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1268590/Carlos-Tevez-walk-Manchester-City-miss-Champions-League-spot.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1268590/Carlos-Tevez-walk-Manchester-City-miss-Champions-League-spot.html)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 11:54:22 AM
Kevin Kuranyi, 28, is available on a free from Schalke this Summer, any takers?


01-02 VfB Stuttgart      1 Goal,   5 Games     
02-03 VfB Stuttgart    15 Goals, 31 Games       4 Goals, 8 Games (UEFA Cup)   
03-04 VfB Stuttgart    11 Goals, 33 Games       3 Goals, 8 Games (Champions League)   
04-05 VfB Stuttgart    13 Goals, 29 Games       3 Goals, 5 Games (UEFA Cup)   
05-06 Schalke 04         9 Goals, 30 Games   
06-07 Schalke 04       15 Goals, 34 Games        2 Games (UEFA Cup)   
07-08 Schalke 04       15 Goals, 32 Games        3 Goals, 8 Games (Champions League)   
08-09 Schalke 04       13 Goals, 33 Games        2 + 5 Games (Champions League + UEFA Cup)   
09-10  Schalke 04      18 Goals, 31 Games   


Apparently, though I don't know if it's accurate, so is Louis Saha.

Likewise Christoph Metzelder, centre half, terrific in the air, but he has the turning circle of a synchronised fleet of aircraft carriers.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on April 26, 2010, 02:51:20 PM
And now for something completely different, er, bizarre:


Carlos Tevez to walk if Manchester City miss out on Champions League spot


By Joe Bernstein Last updated at 11:58 AM on 25th April 2010


Carlos Tevez is set to stun Manchester City fans by fighting for a summer move if the club fail to qualify for the Champions League.
Tevez has become increasingly disillusioned at life at Eastlands under manager Roberto Mancini, and his adviser Kia Joorabchian is believed to have contacted some of Europe's leading clubs as a contingency if City miss out on the top four.
City fans will be dismayed by the split between Tevez and Mancini, having taken the 26-year-old striker to their hearts following his arrival from Manchester United at the start of the campaign.

The Argentine has scored 28 goals this season and has been nominated for the PFA Player of the Year award, which will be announced tonight.

But he publicly questioned the sacking of Mark Hughes in a recent interview and openly disagreed with Mancini's decision to make the players train twice a day.

He also voiced his displeasure about City using his image in a provocative 'Welcome to Manchester' poster campaign.

Significantly, Joorabchian, an important figure in Tevez's life, has fallen out with the hierarchy at City following the departure of Hughes and will not be averse to finding Tevez a new club if instructed to do so.

Real Madrid and Inter Milan will be among the contenders to sign him, but there could also be a surprise move from Liverpool, even though their own Champions League hopes are slim.
Liverpool hope the fact that Tevez's friend and Argentina team-mate Javier Mascherano is at the club will boost their chances, although the player would have to kick up a real fuss at Eastlands before City allowed him to move to Anfield for a cut-price £18million.

Mascherano is in contract talks with Liverpool but negotiations have dragged on for weeks.

Manager Rafa Benitez admitted: 'We were very close, but I don't know if something has changed since the last time I spoke to him, which was a few days ago. I still expect him to sign.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1268590/Carlos-Tevez-walk-Manchester-City-miss-Champions-League-spot.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1268590/Carlos-Tevez-walk-Manchester-City-miss-Champions-League-spot.html)

Never going to happen unfortunately.

To be honest Id say there would be a better chance of Torres going to City.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on April 26, 2010, 02:58:34 PM
Kuranyi didnt Sunderland try to sign him last summer. Nuff said although I think I would prefer to take him on the free than to pay 15 million Sunderland were looking for Kenwyne Jones.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 03:47:56 PM
Kuranyi didnt Sunderland try to sign him last summer. Nuff said although I think I would prefer to take him on the free than to pay 15 million Sunderland were looking for Kenwyne Jones.

Yes, I think the quoted offer was around £3.5M.

The problem is after the last two Summers with 2 £20M transfers having added nothing to the squad, we are in a position were we desperately need cover for Torres and with the World Cup in the Summer, a disturbed pre-season and now his doubts about the Premier League's effects on his health, I can see the need being even greater than it has been this season.

It wouldn't be so bad if we could blow any transfer fund accumulated just on this one purchase, but yet again the buttons are going to be spread thinly and we'll be rooting through the discount pile in Lidl.

Factor in the need for a first choice left back and we've got to prioritise how we spend the meagre scrappings we'll have on offer.

Maybe the plan is to use Jovanovic as cover. 192 club games with 102 goals and 9 goals in 23 appearances for Serbia.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on April 26, 2010, 06:42:42 PM
The thing about Bent, especially at Spurs, is that he can come in/on and score at a decent rate without a multi-game settling in period. He can play as a lone striker, has pace and with one eye on the quotas, he's English.

We need cover (hopefully not a replacement) for Torres, who's probably a similar style player to Nando. Either we look at an older player nearer to the end of his career than the start, or we find a younger player who can make an impact when needed but isn't ready to perform consistently over a full season. But it's who? And with the quota system around the corner, the nationality is equally important. We need to balance this so that we don't have to juggle nationalities within the squad/team and maybe have to omit a first choice player in favour of another because of quota rules.
Maybe there's a case therefore to keep Babel (yeah, I know) and focus on developing him quickly as a striker, as he'd count as homegrown soon, I think.
 

it's true, Tes, that Bent would be a positive signing re the new homegrown rules.

for me, it all depends on the money/risk factor.  If we can get him for peanuts, then it may be worth the risk.  But I'm just not sure that he has what it takes at the highest level (a top 4 club).  But at the right money (or on a free), he may be worth a go.

Someone (maybe you) mentions Louis Saha earlier in the thread.  If Saha was a few years younger, and I was convinced about his injuries/fitness, then he would be my number one target.  He would be a great standby striker.  But his age is against him.




Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on April 26, 2010, 06:46:58 PM
oh and I meant to add that Babel is one that I would sell.

maybe he could be transformed in another role (striker).

but his career to date (save for an interesting start) has been a major disappointment.

he can't hold the ball up.....he rarely beats a man......he takes way too many touches.....he can't deliver a decent cross often enough...........too often he gifts possession to the opposition......too often he shows no interest in winning it back again (retrieving HIS mistake).

Very disappointed with his progress and efforts to date.

I think we need to move on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 26, 2010, 09:48:24 PM
The problem is our need is severe and our options are so limited where cover for Torres is concerned. I think we missed the boat on Bent last Summer when he went to Sunderland for much less than Spurs had paid for him.

I think we'll end up with an older striker due to the nature of the job description. He won't ever be first choice but will need to hit the net running whenever called upon due the importance of Torres' goalscoring to us. Of course this need could be reduced if we could share the goals around the whole team and reduce our reliance on Nando, starting with providing a goal threat from centre half at set pieces which we really don't have and likewise our central midfield are frugal in the goal scoring department. On that point I think Maxi, once he's acclimatised a bit more will prove to be a real asset and redress the balance in the free transfer success stakes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 28, 2010, 02:46:22 PM
SHELVEY SET FOR ANFIELD MOVE

Tuesday April 27,2010


Charlton midfielder Jonjo Shelvey was undergoing a medical at Liverpool on Tuesday after the two teams agreed a fee for a transfer.

The Addicks confirmed on their website the clubs had agreed an initial fee of £1.7million for the 18-year-old, who travelled to Merseyside on Tuesday for talks and a medical.

A statement on Charlton's official website said: "As part of the potential transfer, the two clubs are also in talks to develop a strategic partnership involving the development of players in both directions."

The results of the medical will be known on Wednesday.

Shelvey holds the record as Charlton's youngest ever player, having made his debut in April 2008 at the age of 16 years and 59 days.

The England youth international has scored eight goals in 48 games for the Addicks.

Charlton chairman Richard Murray revealed earlier on Tuesday that there had been interest in the player but claimed they were "some way off doing a deal".

Big-money moves are likely to be at a premium at Anfield this summer with uncertainty surrounding the future of both the club's owners and manager Rafa Benitez, who has been linked with a move to Juventus.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/171867/Shelvey-set-for-Anfield-move (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/171867/Shelvey-set-for-Anfield-move)


Also from the Express:


CHELSEA WANT PAUL INCE'S SON THOMAS TO SHAPE FUTURE

Wednesday April 28,2010  By Tony Banks


CHELSEA want to poach Paul Ince’s teenage son Thomas from Liverpool as part of their drive for youth this summer.

Talented winger Thomas, 18, has been at Liverpool’s academy since he was 16 and is one of their most highly rated prospects. He is expected to make it into the first-team soon, at the club where his father spent two years.

Thomas has a year left on his Anfield contract and Chelsea scouts, under orders to bring bright young talent to Stamford Bridge, have watched him regularly. The club are trying to put together a deal to persuade Ince to come to London for the start of next season, but Liverpool are desperate to hang on to him.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/171909/Chelsea-want-Paul-Ince-s-son-Thomas-to-shape-future

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Redman on April 29, 2010, 07:01:11 AM
Why are we nurturing young talent and then seeing the likes of Chelski come in and prise them away? Get your finger out Liverpool and hang on to these young lads for the time being. Although maybe the way the youngsters never seem to get a game under Rafa could well swing it for them to leave anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 30, 2010, 01:34:09 AM
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez wants overhaul at Anfield

Page last updated at 23:12 GMT, Thursday, 29 April 2010 00:12 UK


Rafael Benitez admitted it could take five new signings to turn Liverpool into trophy challengers once more.

The Reds lost to Atletico Madrid on away goals in the Europa League semi-finals to compound a miserable season, which they will finish empty-handed.

"Someone said we needed four or five players. I would more or less agree with that. That is what we have to do," said Liverpool boss Benitez.

"I do not know whether I will have any funds. We will find out in the summer."

Liverpool do still have the fourth Champions League place to aim for, but even that is a forlorn hope.

They would require victory over title favourites Chelsea in their penultimate game of the season on Sunday to stand any chance, while hoping other results go their way.

Benitez acknowledged there is plenty of work ahead if Liverpool are to regain their former status.

"Liverpool is a massive club," said the Spaniard after his side beat Atletico 2-1 at Anfield but drew 2-2 on aggregate to bow out on away goals.

"There has been a change in the last two or three years. We have had to balance the books and manage in this way."
 
However, whether he is stay at Anfield to undertake the rebuilding job remains to be seen.

Juventus are reported to be keen on acquiring the services of Benitez, who saw his hopes of leading Liverpool to a third European final under his charge collapse after they had found themselves in such a promising position.

The 50-year-old was cagey about his future, refusing to look any further ahead than the two games his side have left.

"The future is Chelsea. And then Hull," he said.

The exit was a microcosm of Liverpool's season - plenty of effort and some finesse in the first half, Alberto Aquilani providing the latter with a superb finish to put the hosts in front.

Although there were no more goals in normal time, Yossi Benayoun struck at the start of the additional 30 minutes and seemed to have set up an all-English final with Fulham in Hamburg on 12 May.

But former Manchester United striker Diego Forlan wrecked those dreams, leaving Benitez to pick his players up once more, after he ran out of experience to make a difference from the bench.

"Everything seems to have been against the players this season," he said. "It is clear that we had some problems.

"We had too many injuries and were lacking forward options. But the players worked so hard tonight and I am very proud of them.

"Now we have to concentrate and do our best in the next two games."

For Atletico it was a glorious night, allowing them to revel in the joy of becoming the only Spanish side to reach a European final this season.

"No one would have expected this," said coach Quique Sanchez Flores. "We are happy to represent our country and be Spain's only team in a European final.

"It was an amazing night. You can't come to Anfield without knowing you are going to suffer some difficult moments but we were the stronger side in extra-time and deserved to go through."

Now they must deny Fulham a magical end to one of the most incredible seasons in the west London club's history, and Sanchez Flores is wary.

"Never trust any team that goes all the way to the final," he added. "Any English team will be very competitive and Fulham are no exception."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8652883.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8652883.stm)

So the revolving door is set to revolve ever faster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on April 30, 2010, 02:03:04 PM
rafa is off to juve...and his time has come...
no more negativity...no more taking off the goalscorers..and creative players to replace them with sh***...

enough now....i'll wake up from this nightmare soon...


Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 30, 2010, 03:05:57 PM
rafa is off to juve...and his time has come...
no more negativity...no more taking off the goalscorers..and creative players to replace them with sh***...

enough now....i'll wake up from this nightmare soon...

Barticus, do you trust the toxic twosome or Purslow, with their lack of accredited football knowledge, to get the appointment of Rafa's replacement right?
That is my biggest worry should Rafa leave. I can't see him being sacked as they won't be able to afford the rumoured £16M payoff.

Out of interest Barticus, who would your choice be?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on April 30, 2010, 07:47:05 PM
Barticus, do you trust the toxic twosome or Purslow, with their lack of accredited football knowledge, to get the appointment of Rafa's replacement right?
That is my biggest worry should Rafa leave. I can't see him being sacked as they won't be able to afford the rumoured £16M payoff.

Out of interest Barticus, who would your choice be?


I absolutely do not trust the yankee carpetbaggers or purslow...never will...
Rafa is on a 4 year contract...getting 16 mil for his time...any mention of Juve should be shot down in an instant...
I seriously tire of the just plain BIZARRE choices he's made this season...
Last night....to put on Pacheco who's 18 and inexperienced...when he could have gained that experience all season against the supposed 'lesser' teams who beat us anyway...
to not play NGOG who he's been backing all season and then leave him on the bench...and plays EL ZHAR...
to put on DEGEN and not the Greek god..
To take off Benayoun when we're 2-0 up and he's on fire....

just because scum run the club and use it for their own gain does not mean i can ignore the choices Rafa makes...
I love Rafa but there comes a time in life when things come to a natural end...he's far too defensive and takes delight when we don't lose..but we have done anyway this season...

i think he lost the dressing room as far back as november...
i think rafa sees this hence the juve talk and whispers...
if by some miracle a saudi despot buys our club then maybe he'll stay...maybe rafa will then be able to play the football he wants played...with multiple options and attacking formations..,
i pray to ODIN, SHIVA and YHWH and anyone else who listens that this will happen...(we can set up a god for LFC only but thats magick and i digress)

last month i was on the road to perdition...realising that much of Rafa's woes were down to the yankee scum...he would have had bellamy and crouch...maybe even alonso...and all would be good in the world..

but he still makes those bizarre decisions...
Torres against Birmingham..
Benayoun off and no kyriakos on FFS against athletico madrid...
was aquilani injured?? why did he come off?? he was running the midfield...

So maybe it's just time...

as for the 16 mil on rafa's contract...that will prolly go into interest repayment...

and possible managers..

for a side low on morale, would be O'neill

low on money would be Hodgson...

huge amount of money...MOURINHO

but my choice for working wonders...

Hiddink









Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on April 30, 2010, 08:22:00 PM
I absolutely do not trust the yankee carpetbaggers or purslow...never will...
Rafa is on a 4 year contract...getting 16 mil for his time...any mention of Juve should be shot down in an instant...
I seriously tire of the just plain BIZARRE choices he's made this season...
Last night....to put on Pacheco who's 18 and inexperienced...when he could have gained that experience all season against the supposed 'lesser' teams who beat us anyway...
to not play NGOG who he's been backing all season and then leave him on the bench...and plays EL ZHAR...
to put on DEGEN and not the Greek god..
To take off Benayoun when we're 2-0 up and he's on fire....

just because scum run the club and use it for their own gain does not mean i can ignore the choices Rafa makes...
I love Rafa but there comes a time in life when things come to a natural end...he's far too defensive and takes delight when we don't lose..but we have done anyway this season...

i think he lost the dressing room as far back as november...
i think rafa sees this hence the juve talk and whispers...
if by some miracle a saudi despot buys our club then maybe he'll stay...maybe rafa will then be able to play the football he wants played...with multiple options and attacking formations..,
i pray to ODIN, SHIVA and YHWH and anyone else who listens that this will happen...(we can set up a god for LFC only but thats magick and i digress)

last month i was on the road to perdition...realising that much of Rafa's woes were down to the yankee scum...he would have had bellamy and crouch...maybe even alonso...and all would be good in the world..

but he still makes those bizarre decisions...
Torres against Birmingham..
Benayoun off and no kyriakos on FFS against athletico madrid...
was aquilani injured?? why did he come off?? he was running the midfield...

So maybe it's just time...

as for the 16 mil on rafa's contract...that will prolly go into interest repayment...

and possible managers..

for a side low on morale, would be O'neill

low on money would be Hodgson...

huge amount of money...MOURINHO

but my choice for working wonders...

Hiddink

Cheers Barticus. I think we all share same frustrations.

I just hope the fire won't be hotter than the frying pan. I just have no faith, maybe 'trust' was the wrong word, in Hicks', Gillett's or Purslow's ability to be able to both identify and attract a suitable replacement.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 01, 2010, 02:05:45 AM
the yankees are the problem, barticus......not rafa.

he's been working miracles these past 5 years.....this season, he couldn't quite manage it.

ok, it's been 4 years without a trophy.......but wenger's in the same boat.



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 01, 2010, 02:30:45 AM
Cheers Barticus. I think we all share same frustrations.

I just hope the fire won't be hotter than the frying pan. I just have no faith, maybe 'trust' was the wrong word, in Hicks', Gillett's or Purslow's ability to be able to both identify and attract a suitable replacement.
the yankees are the problem, barticus......not rafa.

he's been working miracles these past 5 years.....this season, he couldn't quite manage it.

ok, it's been 4 years without a trophy.......but wenger's in the same boat.





I think its now a case of be careful what you wish for. Rafa going wont solve our immediate problems of who the hell is going to buy the club.

And like you guys say I wouldnt trust H&G to pick a replacement for Rafa.

As Kopite said earlier I think we may just lose Gerrard and torres now. When Athletico won last night I looked at Torres and thought he left them to win trophies with Liverpool and 2 seasons on ironically Athletico are now closer to a major trophy than hes ever been with us. I have a feeling he feels his time is up. It doesnt help being a world cup year either, players been tapped up while with their countries at the World Cup.

Plus I'm not sure that if Rafa goes Gerrard will want to be hearing about 5 year plans from Rafas replacement. Its just a pity Rafa wasnt given the resources to finish what he started
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 01, 2010, 02:42:47 AM
Right now, it feels like the partial end of an era, but that era can't end until the toxics are gone and a decent ownership structure put in place. Rafa, indeed Gerrard and Torres may also be victims of it. I feel sorry for Gerrard in a way that his time at the club has been spent under the axises of Moores/Parry/Houllier, Moores/Parry/Rafa and the toxics/Rafa.
Likewise Carra. Both lads deserve to be part of a history akin to the 70s and 80s.

As a club we need to simply consolidate. Halt the slide down the league, attempt to stabilise things, focus solely on the league and try and get through hopefully what will prove to be maybe one more season of upheaval as intact as possible.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 03, 2010, 10:40:18 AM
Yossi Benayoun can't guarantee he'll be a Liverpool player next season

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 10:23 AM on 3rd May 2010


Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun has added to the growing uncertainty at the club by admitting he does not know if he has a future at Anfield.   

Speculation has long linked manager Rafa Benitez with Juventus and the Reds boss refused to clarify his own future after the final home match of the season, a 2-0 defeat to leaders Chelsea.   

Benitez, who only signed a new five-year deal 14 months ago, has tied a number of players to long-term deals, but Benayoun is not one of them and he was linked with a move away in January. 

The Israeli would like to finish his career at Anfield but accepts the final decision may not be his.   

'It's very difficult to speak now about next season,' said Benayoun. 'We don't know what changes there will be in the players, the staff so I think it's too early to speak.   

'I don't know personally even if I will be here or I will not be here. A lot of things can happen, so we have to wait and see.'
Uncertainty at boardroom level - co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have put the club up for sale - is filtering down through Benitez to the players.   

'Liverpool is a great club and I enjoy it but a lot of things are happening in this moment,' added Benayoun.   

'If it depended on me, I would stay here and retire in Liverpool. The fans are the best in the world but it depends on a lot of things. It will be very clear soon.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271024/Yossi-Benayouns-Liverpool-future-air.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271024/Yossi-Benayouns-Liverpool-future-air.html?ITO=1490)


He's exactly the sort of player we do need to keep. We have few enough players of his technical level as it is.



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 03, 2010, 02:16:48 PM
Benny is pure class.

We could not afford to replace him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 03, 2010, 03:35:07 PM
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/05/02/weekinreview/02lyall_CA0/02lyall_CA0-popup.jpg)

rumours that Gordona, a right winger, will be available soon, on a free.

lots of red tape and regulation tho, to be navigated, if he is to make the move to anfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 04, 2010, 12:26:42 AM
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rumours that Gordona, a right winger, will be available soon, on a free.

lots of red tape and regulation tho, to be navigated, if he is to make the move to anfield.

He'd bankrupt us with his wage demands.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 04, 2010, 12:35:28 AM
Liverpool target Chelsea's Joe Cole as Reds plan new era with free agent England star

EXCLUSIVE By Simon Jones
Last updated at 11:01 PM on 3rd May 2010

Liverpool want England and Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole to spearhead an Anfield revival.

Cole is known to have infuriated Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich with his wage demands during preliminary contract talks.

The 28-year-old is potentially one of the best Bosman free transfers on the
market and Liverpool, who are driving to bolster their English contingent, have earmarked the skilful Londoner as a potential signing.

Manager Rafa Benitez has already signed up-and-coming stars Raheem Sterling (from QPR) and Jonjo Shelvey (from Charlton) and has talked openly about his desire to instill more ‘English passion’ into the club.

Even if Benitez leaves, the club will look to sign at least two more English players over the next month as they pursue a policy of signing more homegrown players to prepare for new UEFA guidelines.

Cole, who has struggled to hold down a Chelsea first-team place under Carlo Ancelotti, would give the club Premier League experience, plus the star quality that would appease disillusioned fans.

He would not command a transfer fee but is looking for around £6.2million a year in wages — £120,000 a week.

A move to Liverpool is believed to interest Cole as a next-best alternative to staying at Chelsea.

But that plan was originally smoothed by the idea of the Anfield club qualifying for the Champions League — which they have not — and being in a position to build this summer.

Instead, Liverpool find themselves in turmoil with big questions over the management and ownership still to be resolved.

That could open the door for Tottenham and Manchester City to make rival offers for Cole.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271454/Liverpool-want-England-Chelsea-midfielder-Joe-Cole.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1271454/Liverpool-want-England-Chelsea-midfielder-Joe-Cole.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

A replacement for both Aurelio and Degen - on the treatment table.

Will we ever learn?







Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 04, 2010, 04:46:21 AM
He'd bankrupt us with his wage demands.

apparently a red all his life.


Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 04, 2010, 10:01:30 AM
apparently a red all his life.

He's great at PR. The thought of Brownie makes many people see red (and then feel blue).
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 04, 2010, 12:42:55 PM
Just to cheer everybody up I thought I'd just remind us what 'Mr Hicks' had to say in January about what we have to look forward to this Summer:

Tom Hicks: Liverpool FC will spend big and not sell players to fund debt this summer

Jan 12 2010 Dominic King


LIVERPOOL co-owner Tom Hicks has assured supporters the summer transfer window will "be big" and promised no players will be sold to finance the club's debt.

Hicks, whose son Thomas Jr resigned as a director of Liverpool and Kop holdings yesterday, was responding to an email from a concerned Liverpool supporter.

Hicks attempted to defuse the situation currently surrounding the Reds and their transfer policy in the January window by insisting they will come out fighting in the summer.

The Dallas-based businessman is also convinced Liverpool's future will be transformed once work begins on the new stadium in Stanley Park, something he says managing director Christian Purslow is endeavouring to make happen.

Hicks wrote: "Our debt is very manageable (see Man U) and we never use player sales for debt service.

"Our interest on £200 mm is about 16mm. The new stadium will be the game changer. Christian is working very hard on it. January is a poor quality market. The summer window will be big."


http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/12/tom-hicks-liverpool-fc-will-spend-big-and-not-sell-players-to-fund-debt-this-summer-100252-25581592/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/01/12/tom-hicks-liverpool-fc-will-spend-big-and-not-sell-players-to-fund-debt-this-summer-100252-25581592/)

Sorted then, Tom said so. Don't know what we're all worried about.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 06, 2010, 08:51:02 AM
Alberto Aquilani’s agent refuses to rule out move to Italy for Liverpool FC midfielder

May 6 2010 by James Pearce, Liverpool Echo
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LIVERPOOL midfielder Alberto Aquilani could return to Italy this summer, according to the player’s agent.

The 25-year-old, who was signed from Roma in a £20million deal last August, has endured a disappointing first season at Anfield with injury and illness limiting him to just 12 starts and 13 substitute appearances.

Fiorentina are believed to be keen on taking Aquilani back to his homeland and agent Franco Zavaglia has refused to rule out a move.

Zavaglia admits the uncertainty over Rafa Benitez's position means Aquilani is also considering his own future.

"It's still too early to tell if a deal is possible,” he said.

“First of all he must finish the season well and then once we understand Liverpool's future plans we can make concrete decisions.

"The interest of Fiorentina is not new. People have talked about it for three years.

"There are many things to consider. If Benitez is taking his time to understand Liverpool's future then you must imagine what it's like for Aquilani."

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/05/06/alberto-aquilani-s-agent-refuses-to-rule-out-move-to-italy-for-liverpool-fc-midfielder-100252-26386686/

If these quotes attributed to Aquillanis agent are true you have to question the players mentality to play for Liverpool whether Benitez stays or goes. I want players who want to play for Liverpool first irregardless of whose in charge.

If Benitez stays he really needs to reconsider his transfer policy. Whether he has 50 million to spend or 5 million to spend there is no sense anymore in buying players just to beef up the squad. I'd prefer to see him use reserves that aren't good enough than buying poor quality / injury prone players that aren't good enough. Save our cash until we can afford to buy someone that is Liverpool quality.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 06, 2010, 08:52:39 AM
And if the above story is true and Fiorentina were willing to offer us the opportunity to recoup the 20 million splashed out on Aquillani I would bite their hands off for it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 06, 2010, 12:49:35 PM
Aqua looks like a potentially very good player.  I'd like to see him injury free and with a long run of games in the team.

And Lucas also looks a far better player, when allowed to play more offensively.

But offensive midfield is an area that has always been overshadowed by one player....to the detriment IMHO of the rest of those around him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 06, 2010, 02:27:17 PM
And if the above story is true and Fiorentina were willing to offer us the opportunity to recoup the 20 million splashed out on Aquillani I would bite their hands off for it.

Aquilani's transfer fee is made up as:


Four cash installments:

* €5m upfront
* €3m by 4th January 2010
* €7m by June 30th 2010
* €5m by June 30th 2011.

Base transfer fee = €20m/£18m

Further Add ons include:

* €300k for every year Liverpool qualify for the CL from 2010/11 to 2014/15.

* €250k every time the player reaches 35 appearancs; 70 appearances; 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

* €1m the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

* 5% of any future transfer fee paid to Roma.


So at the moment we've paid out €10M with no add-ons. To recoup our outlay we'd need to sell before 30th June with another €5M is due and for a fee of approx €10.6M to break even after paying Roma 5% of that fee.
After 30th June the fee needed to break even would be €16M.

If we were to break even then I think I'd prefer to keep him and use him correctly as an advanced midfielder, where he can use his obvious strengths and be kept out of the mosh pit of a Premier League central midfield position.

However keeping him would be dependant upon a) his desire to remain at the club b) his ability and desire to face the increased physical aspects he will encounter, even in a more advanced midfield position c) the long term prognosis on his overall physical condition
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 06, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
Aqua looks like a potentially very good player.  I'd like to see him injury free and with a long run of games in the team.

And Lucas also looks a far better player, when allowed to play more offensively.

But offensive midfield is an area that has always been overshadowed by one player....to the detriment IMHO of the rest of those around him.

No doubting the guy looks to have a lot of potential but I just dont like to see his agent already raise questions about his future at the club after just one season.

If we only had more players with an attitude like Reina
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 06, 2010, 03:00:21 PM

However keeping him would be dependant upon a) his desire to remain at the club b) his ability and desire to face the increased physical aspects he will encounter, even in a more advanced midfield position c) the long term prognosis on his overall physical condition

I had an idea his transfer fee was broken up alright, just wasnt sure of the breakdown.

Unless his agent starts to make the right noises or the players starts re-affirming his commitment to the club I would be willing to let him leave if we were to break even.

What we cant afford is expensive imports that wish they were plying their trade somewhere else.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 06, 2010, 04:31:26 PM
The problem is we don't know if the agent is throwing these comments out there to test the water before then convincing his client to move back to Italy and hence take his cut of another deal or whether he's carrying out his client's wishes directly.

Out of all our players, Reina is the one who deserves a better team in front of him, considering how he's played this season, yet he's nailed his colours firmly to the mast by signing a new long term contract. The guy is pure class, in every way.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 06, 2010, 04:39:10 PM
Liverpool and Arsenal eye Mamadou Niang transfer from Marseille


Premier League heavyweights Liverpool and Arsenal are both said to be keeping tabs on Marseille forward Mamadou Niang after he enjoyed another outstanding season in the French league.

The Senegalese striker scored the winning goal as L'OM sealed a 3-1 win over Rennes which, coupled with Auxerre's 2-1 defeat to Lyon, handed the southern side a first league crown since 1992.


Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is rumoured to be interested in signing Niang, although a price-tag of £14million may put off the Spaniard.

However, the Reds could knock down the asking price by offering a combination of unwanted players in return - including out-of-favour winger Albert Riera or unsettled Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel.

Arsenal have also been linked with the 30-year-old, although Niang's age could be something of a stumbling block for Arsene Wenger - not to mention the exorbitant price-tag.


http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/824906-liverpool-and-arsenal-eye-mamadou-niang-transfer-from-marseille (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/824906-liverpool-and-arsenal-eye-mamadou-niang-transfer-from-marseille)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 06, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Liverpool and Arsenal eye Mamadou Niang transfer from Marseille


Premier League heavyweights Liverpool and Arsenal are both said to be keeping tabs on Marseille forward Mamadou Niang after he enjoyed another outstanding season in the French league.

The Senegalese striker scored the winning goal as L'OM sealed a 3-1 win over Rennes which, coupled with Auxerre's 2-1 defeat to Lyon, handed the southern side a first league crown since 1992.


Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is rumoured to be interested in signing Niang, although a price-tag of £14million may put off the Spaniard.

However, the Reds could knock down the asking price by offering a combination of unwanted players in return - including out-of-favour winger Albert Riera or unsettled Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel.

Arsenal have also been linked with the 30-year-old, although Niang's age could be something of a stumbling block for Arsene Wenger - not to mention the exorbitant price-tag.


http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/824906-liverpool-and-arsenal-eye-mamadou-niang-transfer-from-marseille (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/824906-liverpool-and-arsenal-eye-mamadou-niang-transfer-from-marseille)

30 years old - 14 million  :o :o :o somebody take the cheque book off Rafa until he signs on somewhere else
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 06, 2010, 08:20:45 PM
30 years old - 14 million  :o :o :o somebody take the cheque book off Rafa until he signs on somewhere else

Or make Rafa use his own chequebook.

No team will pay anywhere near £14M for a 30 year old with no particular reputation outside of France. Surely if he was worth that sort of money he would have been snapped well before now.

Unless City are interested, I can start to see the end of transfer inflation starting with this Summer's window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 08, 2010, 09:35:22 PM
Rangers' Danny Wilson to complete Liverpool transfer

By Alasdair Lamont   Page last updated at 14:21 GMT, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:21 UK


Defender Danny Wilson is expected to agree a move from Rangers to Liverpool in the next seven days.

The 18-year-old has just over a year left on his contract and had turned down the new deal on offer to him.

Liverpool had a previous bid turned down but have returned with an improved offer in the region of £2m plus add-ons that Rangers have deemed acceptable.

The Ibrox club stood to lose the player for around £500,000 in compensation had he not been sold this summer.


Wilson, who made his debut in October, was recently voted PFA Scotland young player of the year, having made over 20 appearances - two in the Champions League - and scored once this season.

Injury ended his campaign prematurely, but he will leave Ibrox with winners' medals from Rangers' Scottish Premier League and Co-operative Insurance Cup triumphs.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/8669988.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/8669988.stm)

It's probably me but I must have missed the stampede for his signature that's causing us to pay 400% more than if we wait until next Summer, especially when our transfer budget amounts to an out of date voucher for 50p off a tube of Anusol, a half eaten dog chew and two fluff covered mint imperials. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 09, 2010, 02:53:41 AM
It's probably me but I must have missed the stampede for his signature that's causing us to pay 400% more than if we wait until next Summer, especially when our transfer budget amounts to an out of date voucher for 50p off a tube of Anusol, a half eaten dog chew and two fluff covered mint imperials. 

making mental note - Tes seems dubious about Liverpool's plans to spend 'big' this summer.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 09, 2010, 01:22:44 PM
I think the reverse is real possibility. With the bank debt remaining at £237M from July '09 to July '11 and interest payments probably being higher than those shown in the '09 accounts, from July '09 to Jan/March '10 then to July '10 and rising yet again from July '10 to July '11 and with the wage bill to July '10 and again to July '11 rising higher than the level in the '09 accounts and prize money vastly reduced going forward from July '10, Torres and Gerrard may need to be removed from the wage bill.

Broughton has stated we don't need to sell them but if the bank debt isn't reduced (as is likely) the increased interest payments could see Kop Holdings loosing a further £100M in addition to the +£90M they've lost up to July '09 by July 2011.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 15, 2010, 12:06:16 PM
Benny's off with Roma being the latest destination: http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/05/15/agent-sparks-questions-over-yossi-benayoun-s-liverpool-fc-future-100252-26450106/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/05/15/agent-sparks-questions-over-yossi-benayoun-s-liverpool-fc-future-100252-26450106/)

Of course Nando's already had his shirt fitting with the rent boys: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/7470187/Liverpool-striker-Fernando-Torres-linked-with-Chelsea-summer-move.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/7470187/Liverpool-striker-Fernando-Torres-linked-with-Chelsea-summer-move.html)

So if our manager's off to Inter, I wonder who's selling these players, especially as the prices are ridiculous. £40M for Torres, £5M for Benayoun, both to Chelsea if you collate the reports.
I smell the hand of Broughton in this.  :D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 15, 2010, 03:26:29 PM
more like the hand of fleet street. 

having said that, I suspect with no funds of note available for Rafa to spend this summer.....I suspect his meetings with Broughton are to clarify, that he will be allowed to spend any money that he raise svia sales.

i.e. that being the case, I'm half-expecting to see Torres depart.......bringing in 70 million odd quid.........and Rafa using that to rebuild.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 15, 2010, 03:38:49 PM
more like the hand of fleet street. 

having said that, I suspect with no funds of note available for Rafa to spend this summer.....I suspect his meetings with Broughton are to clarify, that he will be allowed to spend any money that he raise svia sales.

i.e. that being the case, I'm half-expecting to see Torres depart.......bringing in 70 million odd quid.........and Rafa using that to rebuild.


Dude, I think I'd be more surprised if both those things didn't happen.

Getting back in the top four will definately be the new 'title challenge'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 15, 2010, 09:03:19 PM
Dude, I think I'd be more surprised if both those things didn't happen.

Getting back in the top four will definately be the new 'title challenge'.

agreed, Tes.

and though I am a massive fan of Torres - his fitness record is dire.

If someone gives us 70 million quid for a *trophy* signing (e.g. chelsea or man city strutting their riches) then grab it.

if gerrard were to leave too - bringing in 35 or 40 million, I'd grab that hand as well.

rafa can use this poor season, as a good reason to take some difficult steps.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 15, 2010, 10:26:49 PM
agreed, Tes.

and though I am a massive fan of Torres - his fitness record is dire.

If someone gives us 70 million quid for a *trophy* signing (e.g. chelsea or man city strutting their riches) then grab it.

if gerrard were to leave too - bringing in 35 or 40 million, I'd grab that hand as well.

rafa can use this poor season, as a good reason to take some difficult steps.



Dude, the problem is we're from the old school of economics. £30M for a 30 year old Gerrard makes sense. Afterall, where will we get the sort of money needed to replace a 'retiring' Gerrard? Likewise Nando. £120,000 a week is a lot to pay out for no return each time he's injured. £70M could buy two stikers who together could cover Nando's goals. Of course it would take them a full season to do what he does in half a season but it could also help with the consistancy of the team. No great peaks and troughs according to who's in the treatment.

I'd prefer Torres went abroad. I could deal with him playing for a team like Barca. Seeing him play for the two new classless playthings would be a stomach churner, he deserves better. However, if he were to go to either City or Chelsea, I'd lose all respect for him considering his comments about how the Premier League was taking a physical toll on him.

It stinks talking like this, but this is the economic reality we find ourselves in. The earlier it's faced up to, the earlier we come to terms with it and the earlier we deal with it. The good of the club comes first, second and third. The most important member of the team is the team itself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 15, 2010, 10:40:35 PM
Torres will go down as our "Alex" Rodriguez.

I can't believe I'm comparing us to the Texas also-rans.


*covers ears against screeching noise as bottom of the barrel is reached.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 15, 2010, 11:39:37 PM
It stinks talking like this, but this is the economic reality we find ourselves in. The earlier it's faced up to, the earlier we come to terms with it and the earlier we deal with it. The good of the club comes first, second and third. The most important member of the team is the team itself.

Guys things are bad financially at the moment but lets not go and do anything we may regret.

As you point out Tes the good of the club comes first second and third but how much would we be kicking ourselves if we sold Torres and Gerrard for the cash only to be taken over by a wealthy investor later in the summer.

I wouldn't ever seriously contemplate selling Gerrard or Torres. Even if I were Rafa or Purslow or whoever is pulling the strings the fact the club is up for sale I would hold on to the likes of Torres and Gerrard in the hope that we will be taken over in the not so distant future.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 16, 2010, 12:49:03 AM
Guys things are bad financially at the moment but lets not go and do anything we may regret.

As you point out Tes the good of the club comes first second and third but how much would we be kicking ourselves if we sold Torres and Gerrard for the cash only to be taken over by a wealthy investor later in the summer.

I wouldn't ever seriously contemplate selling Gerrard or Torres. Even if I were Rafa or Purslow or whoever is pulling the strings the fact the club is up for sale I would hold on to the likes of Torres and Gerrard in the hope that we will be taken over in the not so distant future.

I don't think anyone's positively pushing to sell them, but there's a very real chance we're going to receive tempting (at least as far as a certain duo are concerned) bids for them and so if we look at positives that could come out of it, it's easier to deal with the whole situation. Of course there's always the twin problems of whether the manager gets every penny raised to spend on the team and whether the money (if he did get it all) would be invested wisely to the betterment of the team. Those two are probably less easy to find positives in.

As far as a new owner goes, where Hicks in particular, is concerned it's hard to be positive. The Texas Rangers have had new owners in principal since January but seem someway off actually have new owners in reality. RBS are the pivotal player in all this but I'm not convinced they've got the tools to get the job done. I just hope Broughton knows something that doesn't appear to be so to the rest of us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 16, 2010, 01:41:24 AM
I just hope Broughton knows something that doesn't appear to be so to the rest of us.

Hopefully.

As far as Broughton goes do you think Chelseas persistence with torres at the moment possibly has anything to do with him?

I dont mean to start conspiracy theories here but everyone assumes he will do his job with integrity, that was assumed of Hicks and Gillett also. Is there any chance he is telling someone from the Abramovich company inside info or can he be completely trusted?

Obviously being in a high profile position he has been with BA possibly sees him mixing in circles at a level high up the Chelsea chain of command. So if he is privy to information that Torres is questioning his Liverpool future or that one or two board members want him sold then whose to say hes not making his beloved Chelsea aware of this fact and is encouraging them to maintain interest. They have shown interest very early this year and seem persistent. Its just a theory but these days you don't know who wants the best for the club and who doesn't
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 16, 2010, 01:04:15 PM
Hopefully.

As far as Broughton goes do you think Chelseas persistence with torres at the moment possibly has anything to do with him?

I dont mean to start conspiracy theories here but everyone assumes he will do his job with integrity, that was assumed of Hicks and Gillett also. Is there any chance he is telling someone from the Abramovich company inside info or can he be completely trusted?

Obviously being in a high profile position he has been with BA possibly sees him mixing in circles at a level high up the Chelsea chain of command. So if he is privy to information that Torres is questioning his Liverpool future or that one or two board members want him sold then whose to say hes not making his beloved Chelsea aware of this fact and is encouraging them to maintain interest. They have shown interest very early this year and seem persistent. Its just a theory but these days you don't know who wants the best for the club and who doesn't

Juan, I don't think it is a conspiracy. I think it's a valid point. Until the Chelsea match, my opinion was that Broughton was here in a professional capacity, for which he will be being very well paid and the Chelsea aspect is a hobby. Afterall it's chic to have high profile fans and the media just to embellish anything.

Now, I'm uneasy. He should have been at the Chelsea match as chairman of the club, no matter the strength of his private feelings for Chelsea.

As for Chelsea's Summer transfer dealings, I'm not convinced we'll see a huge Summer from them unless they offload an ageing Dogbra or Fwank. For the past three Summers they've been signing Villa and Aguero, yet they remain with the same clubs they were with when the links started. Last year it was also Tevez and Ribery. This year because of the Ancelotti / Milan connection it's also Pato.
I don't see Abramovich being willing to fund tens of millions of pounds worth of transfers from his pocket either. There seems to have been a real drive to get the club to be as self sustaining as possible, hence them trying to sort out a possible move or redevelopment of Stamford Bridge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 16, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
LIVERPOOL'S FABIO AURELIO COULD BE ON HIS WAY TO GREEK CLUB OLYMPIAKOS

16th May 2010   By Daily Star reporter


LIVERPOOL full-back Fabio Aurelio could be on his way to Greek club Olympiakos.

Brazilian Aurelio, 30, has been injured for much of his time at Anfield since joining on a free transfer from Benitez’s former club Valencia in July 2006.

He missed the last ten weeks of the season with a thigh problem.

Aurelio is out of contract next month and, with his injury record counting against him, he may not find a new Kop deal coming his way.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/135443/Liverpool-s-Fabio-Aurelio-could-be-on-his-way-to-Greek-club-Olympiakos/ (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/135443/Liverpool-s-Fabio-Aurelio-could-be-on-his-way-to-Greek-club-Olympiakos/)

Irrespective of his ability, he was rarely fit to show it. Frees up a place on the payroll.

He'll probably go there and never have need to know where the treatment is, knowing our luck with injured players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 18, 2010, 02:17:09 PM
The teams Yossi is being linked shows he is rated highly across Europe. I hope Rafa hasn't put himself and Yossi in a position where either one or the other has to go because Yossi is a quality player who is probably under utilized at times  at Liverpool.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=788361&sec=transfers&cc=5739&cc=5739

Chelsea consider Benayoun as Cole replacement

By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent

May 18, 2010

ESPNsoccernet understands that Chelsea are considering making a move for Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun, with the Israeli international touted as a possible replacement for the out of contract Joe Cole.

Yossi Benayoun joined Liverpool from West Ham in the summer of 2007

Cole is apparently no nearer to resolving his contract dispute with owner Roman Abramovich, and the feelers are already out to find a suitable replacement, though Benayoun could even be recruited if Cole stays.

There are ample suitors for Cole, but he would like to stay at Stamford Bridge if he can come to an agreement over new terms.

However, a list of possible replacements has been put to manager Carlo Ancelotti and the Israeli is highly thought of by the Italian coach, who has now a much clearer picture of the players in the Premier League after his first season in charge of the club.

He is also clearer about what is needed to improve the team that won the Double, but fell short in the Champions League.

A Stamford Bridge insider told Soccernet: "There is no doubt that Yossi Benayoun is highly thought of at the club, and it wouldn't surprise me if he came to Chelsea."

Salomon Kalou has had plenty of opportunities to stake his claim for a place but has been far too inconsistent. His performance in the FA Cup final underlined the need for a different type of player in his position, and with Cole failing to convince Ancelotti it should be him, changes are likely to be afoot.

Abramovich would be interested in a major player exchange with Liverpool, and though the Russian would primarily want that deal to involve Fernando Torres, it could also include Benayoun.

Half a dozen of Chelsea's first team squad will be offloaded this summer, which would give Liverpool a bigger choice of players to potentially bring to Anfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 18, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
Yossi is exactly the sort of player we need to keep. In many ways the players who he decides to sell this Summer are more important than those he brings in.

For example to replace Yossi with someone of at least equal quality will no doubt cost more than we receive (especially the way we get bullied in the transfer market) therefore taking funds away from another position.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 19, 2010, 12:05:53 PM
Villa has agreed to move to Barcelona. Surely that strengthens our chances of keeping Torres, I couldnt see him going to Man City or Chelsea.

And if they get Fabregas too again that probably rules out a move for Masch. Pitty for him hes nailed down his colours, I would flog him to the next highest bidder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8691888.stm


Striker David Villa moves to Barcelona from Valencia

David Villa will be unveiled as a Barcelona player on Friday after completing a £34.2m move from Valencia.

The Spain international has signed a four-year deal and is the first summer capture for the Catalan club, with Cesc Fabregas also said to be in the mix.

Villa, 28, is due in Barcelona on Thursday and is booked for a medical.

He is a regular in Spain's first team, was a member of the Euro 2008-winning squad and will be highly fancied to make a big impact at the World Cup.

His arrival at Barcelona is likely to lead to increased speculation over the futures of Thierry Henry and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 19, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
Villa has agreed to move to Barcelona. Surely that strengthens our chances of keeping Torres, I couldnt see him going to Man City or Chelsea.

And if they get Fabregas too again that probably rules out a move for Masch. Pitty for him hes nailed down his colours, I would flog him to the next highest bidder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8691888.stm


Striker David Villa moves to Barcelona from Valencia

David Villa will be unveiled as a Barcelona player on Friday after completing a £34.2m move from Valencia.

The Spain international has signed a four-year deal and is the first summer capture for the Catalan club, with Cesc Fabregas also said to be in the mix.

Villa, 28, is due in Barcelona on Thursday and is booked for a medical.

He is a regular in Spain's first team, was a member of the Euro 2008-winning squad and will be highly fancied to make a big impact at the World Cup.

His arrival at Barcelona is likely to lead to increased speculation over the futures of Thierry Henry and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

Crazy fee for a soon to be 29 y.o.

The Masch / Fabregas thing is odd. I can't see Barca fitting them both into their team and if they go for Fabregas I can see Toure going the other way and he's the sort of player Arsenal need.
Masch has put himself on the spot now. I'd rather see him go if he's not 100% committed but I guess his options are limited and then there's the whole problem of us ending up with an adequate replacement, where some or all of the cash goes, if he's p/exed with another player and we get cash on top, does it get spent on the team or just disappear into the financial black hole.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 19, 2010, 04:07:28 PM
Crazy fee for a soon to be 29 y.o.

The Masch / Fabregas thing is odd. I can't see Barca fitting them both into their team and if they go for Fabregas I can see Toure going the other way and he's the sort of player Arsenal need.
Masch has put himself on the spot now. I'd rather see him go if he's not 100% committed but I guess his options are limited and then there's the whole problem of us ending up with an adequate replacement, where some or all of the cash goes, if he's p/exed with another player and we get cash on top, does it get spent on the team or just disappear into the financial black hole.

Barca seem to do crazy deals, none crazier than paying 40 million + Samuel Eto for Ibrahimovich last summer. And again this summer Villa top quality player but as you say Tes even if we had some cash to play with at 29 im not sure 34 million is good business, for us anyway. Barca can afford it.

Of course selling Masch would be dependent on Rafa getting the transfer fee. I just dont see the point in keeping him now, he will most likely just see out his contract and even if he signs a new deal any sign of interest from Real or Barca he will be highlighting his unhappiness in Liverpool again.

Masch has had his head turned. I would sell him and buy somebody who is going to commit to being a Liverpool player 100 %.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 19, 2010, 04:31:35 PM
if Rafa sells Yossi, then I will have lost all confidence in our manager.

I think Rafa needs to go, if he is selling Yossi. 

(assumption is that there is not something we do not know about the issue)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 20, 2010, 01:02:48 AM
from Thursday's Times

Jamie Carragher has told his unsettled team-mates that if their commitment to Liverpool is in doubt, they should not bother returning to the club for pre-season training.

The centre back is thought to have been referring to Javier Mascherano, who has expressed an interest in joining Barcelona, but his words of warning are equally pertinent to Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, whose futures at Anfield are also uncertain.

In his first interview since returning from international retirement, Carragher spoke passionately yesterday about his pride over the prospect of representing England at the World Cup finals, but his love for Liverpool is even more enduring.

Carragher, 32, has taken heart from Rafael Benítez’s announcement yesterday that he wants to stay as Liverpool manager and would welcome a similar expression of commitment from some team-mates. There is little prospect of Gerrard leaving, despite renewed interest from Real Madrid, but with Chelsea, Manchester City and Barcelona preparing to bid for Torres, the same cannot be said of the Spain striker.

Liverpool finished seventh in the Barclays Premier League and Carragher said yesterday: “As soon as the game at Hull finished I wished the start of next season was the next day. The best thing is to forget it and get on with it. I know what it’s like on the back of a poor season and just want us to get back.

“The people who want to be there will come back. If people don’t, then no problem. There will always be a Liverpool Football Club. People always talk about players leaving, about ‘Is this the end of Liverpool?’ but no chance.

“Better players than the ones we have now have left and we have replaced them. Anyone who doesn’t want to be there, no problem, but we’ll start next season with the players who want to do well.”

Carragher said that Liverpool’s disappointing season, in which they failed to qualify for the Champions League for the first time since 2003, had influenced his decision to end a self-imposed international exile dating back to 2007.

It will only be a brief international return, which he attributes to injuries to the likes of Wes Brown and Joleon Lescott. Carragher does not plan to make himself available for the European Championship qualifying campaign, which begins in September.

“Don’t forget Liverpool had come off the back of two Champions League finals in 2007,” he said. “I’m not in that situation now. That is what’s changed.

“With how it’s gone this season, at my age, you want to play at the highest level possible for as long as possible, and the highest level is the World Cup and the Champions League. Hopefully, if I go to South Africa, it’s a one-off because the injury situation will have been cleared up for next season.”

Carragher said that he has not been given any assurance by Fabio Capello that he will make the England manager’s final squad of 23, to be announced on June 1, but it seems inconceivable that he will be left out, with Matthew Upson or Michael Dawson the most likely central defensive casualty.

Capello emphasised yesterday that England can win the tournament and identified the state of the pitches in South Africa as one of his biggest concerns. Given the condition of the turf at Wembley, though, his players should have little problem adjusting to a substandard surface.

“I think England are one of the best teams in the world and we can win against anyone,” Capello said. “Whenever you go to South Africa you are interested in the quality of the pitches, but my most important hope is that all my best players will be injury-free.”
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 20, 2010, 01:13:22 AM
from Thursday's Times

Jamie Carragher has told his unsettled team-mates that if their commitment to Liverpool is in doubt, they should not bother returning to the club for pre-season training.

The centre back is thought to have been referring to Javier Mascherano, who has expressed an interest in joining Barcelona, but his words of warning are equally pertinent to Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, whose futures at Anfield are also uncertain.

In his first interview since returning from international retirement, Carragher spoke passionately yesterday about his pride over the prospect of representing England at the World Cup finals, but his love for Liverpool is even more enduring.

Carragher, 32, has taken heart from Rafael Benítez’s announcement yesterday that he wants to stay as Liverpool manager and would welcome a similar expression of commitment from some team-mates. There is little prospect of Gerrard leaving, despite renewed interest from Real Madrid, but with Chelsea, Manchester City and Barcelona preparing to bid for Torres, the same cannot be said of the Spain striker.

Liverpool finished seventh in the Barclays Premier League and Carragher said yesterday: “As soon as the game at Hull finished I wished the start of next season was the next day. The best thing is to forget it and get on with it. I know what it’s like on the back of a poor season and just want us to get back.

“The people who want to be there will come back. If people don’t, then no problem. There will always be a Liverpool Football Club. People always talk about players leaving, about ‘Is this the end of Liverpool?’ but no chance.

“Better players than the ones we have now have left and we have replaced them. Anyone who doesn’t want to be there, no problem, but we’ll start next season with the players who want to do well.”

Carragher said that Liverpool’s disappointing season, in which they failed to qualify for the Champions League for the first time since 2003, had influenced his decision to end a self-imposed international exile dating back to 2007.

It will only be a brief international return, which he attributes to injuries to the likes of Wes Brown and Joleon Lescott. Carragher does not plan to make himself available for the European Championship qualifying campaign, which begins in September.

“Don’t forget Liverpool had come off the back of two Champions League finals in 2007,” he said. “I’m not in that situation now. That is what’s changed.

“With how it’s gone this season, at my age, you want to play at the highest level possible for as long as possible, and the highest level is the World Cup and the Champions League. Hopefully, if I go to South Africa, it’s a one-off because the injury situation will have been cleared up for next season.”

Carragher said that he has not been given any assurance by Fabio Capello that he will make the England manager’s final squad of 23, to be announced on June 1, but it seems inconceivable that he will be left out, with Matthew Upson or Michael Dawson the most likely central defensive casualty.

Capello emphasised yesterday that England can win the tournament and identified the state of the pitches in South Africa as one of his biggest concerns. Given the condition of the turf at Wembley, though, his players should have little problem adjusting to a substandard surface.

“I think England are one of the best teams in the world and we can win against anyone,” Capello said. “Whenever you go to South Africa you are interested in the quality of the pitches, but my most important hope is that all my best players will be injury-free.”


..........and breathe, Jamie. And it might be better if you take your foot off Riera's neck. Nah, second thoughts, press down harder.

16 more like him and Pepe, and who knows we could be back in 'the top four' again come the end of next season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 20, 2010, 01:23:11 AM
you know, I quietly trace the beginnings of our dire season, way back to August.....and that first game. 

We were bossing the game to that point, away from home....and then Carra was way too over eager and rather than leave a high ball to his centreback colleague (skytrel), he went for it himself.

Skitrail and Carra collided.....head injuries........the game changed and our season never recovered.

and what do we take from this story (feels like like a sermon, where I have to wrap it up a hour later, with an important point).....well Carra maybe is a tad too commited at times.  He needs to delegate and trust others.

Mind you, he's firing off at Monster and probbaly Riera....which is fine in my book.

Tho this outburst tells me (by deduction) that Captain Marvel (who Carra is big mates with) WILL NOT be leaving this summer.


Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 20, 2010, 12:03:05 PM
you know, I quietly trace the beginnings of our dire season, way back to August.....and that first game. 

We were bossing the game to that point, away from home....and then Carra was way too over eager and rather than leave a high ball to his centreback colleague (skytrel), he went for it himself.

Skitrail and Carra collided.....head injuries........the game changed and our season never recovered.

and what do we take from this story (feels like like a sermon, where I have to wrap it up a hour later, with an important point).....well Carra maybe is a tad too commited at times.  He needs to delegate and trust others.

Mind you, he's firing off at Monster and probbaly Riera....which is fine in my book.

Tho this outburst tells me (by deduction) that Captain Marvel (who Carra is big mates with) WILL NOT be leaving this summer.

Dude, I know what you're saying about Carra. He plays as much with his heart as with his head. However, given some of the spineless wonders that have had the afront to pull on a Liverpool shirt these last few years, I'd have Carra's methods everytime.
The other thing with Carra is that he's at the age where he feels he has to prove himself every game, which in reality should be the case with every player who ever gets minutes on the pitch in a red shirt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 20, 2010, 12:31:34 PM
You have to love him.

This season I started to wonder was he starting to show creaks in his game and as good as hes been I think he will need to keep proving himself as Tes mentioned. He was rock solid in defense at times but he was beaten too easily in others. I think the jury maybe out on whether he can keep performing each and every game at his impeccable best or does Rafa start using him a bit more sparingly like he did with Sami.

But no matter what, the guy has been and still is an absolute legend for the club. That outburst was definitely directed at Mascherano and maybe to 1% directed at Nando. To be honest guys I dont think any of it was even directed at Riera for the simple reason that hes history already.

And to be honest I wouldnt be surprised if Masch got a call from Carra to tell him exactly what he thinks. Its just refreshing that when one player the fans respect and admire lets you down like Masch another appears with fighting words exuding fire in the belly and passion for the club. I just wish at times Stevie G could show the same type of angry passion that Carra does and kick a few team mates up the ar*e
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 20, 2010, 12:48:36 PM
Its not like we could afford him so I'd prefer to see him at Madrid than the Scum

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/38515/Spanish_press_No_Silva_lining_for_United_as_Real_close_in_.aspx

Spanish press: No Silva lining for United as Real close in

Author:  Ben Moss
Posted on:20 May 2010 - 12:05


Reports in Spain claim Real Madrid are on the verge of beating Manchester United to the signature of Valencia midfielder David Silva. The La Liga giants have been perturbed by Barcelona’s thus far unrivalled spending in the transfer window, with Josep Guardiola’s side following up the signing of David Villa by mounting a double offensive for Arsenal FC’s Cesc Fabregas and Liverpool FC’s Fernando Torres, and the Los Merengues are eager to ensure they do not lose out to Sir Alex Ferguson in the race for the mercurial midfielder. Liverpool FC, Chelsea FC, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City have also been linked with Silva, but Marca claim Real hope to conclude a deal by the end of the week.

Real Madrid are likely to a appoint a new coach this summer but despite the uncertainty surrounding Manuel Pellegrini’s future, Florentino Perez is still eager to bring in new recruits. Real Madrid’s lengthy pursuit of Silva, which began last summer with Manchester United and Liverpool FC, remains their top priority in light of Barcelona’s proactive work in the transfer market and Sir Alex Ferguson’s continued coveting of the Valencia star. The player is believed to favour a move to the Bernabeu despite recently expressing honour at Manchester United’s purported interest, and Marca claim Real will complete the £28 million signing of the 24-year-old on Friday. The news will not only be a blow to the Old Trafford supremo, but also his Premier League rivals Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea FC and Liverpool FC, all of whom have retained an interest in the player for some time.  Last week Spurs boss Harry Redknapp was linked with the player, hoping the lure of Champions League football could tempt the player to White Ha
rt Lane, while Liverpool FC manager Rafa Benitez tried to sign Silva last summer and the following January.

According to Marca, Real Madrid will pip Manchester United, Liverpool FC, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City to the Valencia star by the end of the week. The Spanish international has provided ten assists in 38 games this season, scoring nine goals and is expected to play a key role in Spain’s efforts to add the World Cup to their 2008 European Championship win this summer.

After announcing the departure of David Villa yesterday, Valencia president, Manuel Llorente, warned the club’s fans that more high profile players are likely to leave the Mestalla.

He told the press: “I do not discount further exits."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 20, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
Dude, I know what you're saying about Carra. He plays as much with his heart as with his head. However, given some of the spineless wonders that have had the afront to pull on a Liverpool shirt these last few years, I'd have Carra's methods everytime.
The other thing with Carra is that he's at the age where he feels he has to prove himself every game, which in reality should be the case with every player who ever gets minutes on the pitch in a red shirt.

I totally agree, Tes.

tho when I played, Carra would have been somewhat of what we'd have called an 'agricultural player'  i.e. a tad limited technically, no style or panache....but who gave 110 percent, was fearless, and got the job done.

To be honest, in our dominant era, I suspect Carra would have been quietly replaced one of these summers.  But we don't have too many others with his level of skill and experience. 

I'd like to see Agger step up to the plate one of these seasons - ala Big Sami or Carra....and start to carry a lot more responsibility.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 20, 2010, 06:16:09 PM
I'd like to see Agger step up to the plate one of these seasons - ala Big Sami or Carra....and start to carry a lot more responsibility.

Me three. Agger + 1 is the future, if he can just stay fit.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 23, 2010, 06:15:16 PM
Does anyone else think that once Mourinho goes to madrid he'll go all out to try and get Gerrard as his landmark signing? I cant get this worrying thought out of my mind :'(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 23, 2010, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: Tes link=topic=713.msg10542#msg10542  date=1274375769
Me three. Agger + 1 is the future, if he can just  stay fit.
yes, he needs to stay fit and have a decent run in the team.

Does anyone else think that once Mourinho goes to madrid he'll go all out to try and get Gerrard as his landmark signing? I cant get this worrying thought out of my mind :'(
40 million for a stamina-energy-based player, who turns 30 years of age next Sunday, just off a dire season of performances.

I can't see a downside.


Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 23, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
Mourinho bought a 30 yr old last summer for 30 mill and he got a lot of slack and last night he scored 2 goals in the champions league final
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 23, 2010, 09:47:43 PM
yes, he needs to stay fit and have a decent run in the team.
40 million for a stamina-energy-based player, who turns 30 years of age next Sunday, just off a dire season of performances.

I can't see a downside.




So you'll still back Rafa after a bad season but not our captain who's done more for the club than anyone else has in nearly 20 years?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2010, 12:10:41 AM
So you'll still back Rafa after a bad season but not our captain who's done more for the club than anyone else has in nearly 20 years?

aye, but rafa doesn't have to run 7 miles, two or three times a week.

we haven't bossed the midfield arena across those 20 years......thus we rarely compete for the league title. 

gerrard, as a team player, has never particularly impressed me. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2010, 12:16:15 AM
Chelsea eye another Double as Blues ready bid for Liverpool duo Yossi Benayoun and Javier Mascherano

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 11:52 PM on 23rd May 2010


Chelsea are weighing up a double move for Liverpool's Javier Mascherano and Yossi Benayoun.

The Double winners realise Liverpool are vulnerable to offers and have earmarked the duo to reinforce their ageing squad with Michael Ballack and Joe Cole expected to leave.

Liverpool do not want to sell to Chelsea but if the financial offer is bold enough they may have little choice with Rafa Benitez's budget almost non-existent.

Mascherano has shelved talks on a new contract while Benayoun is hoping to discuss a move to Stamford Bridge for around £6m this week.

Benayoun, 30, said: 'Ancelotti wants me for next season and now everything depends on Liverpool. Chelsea will have to pay some £6m but I believe that in the end I'll be moving there.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1280690/Chelsea-eye-double-Blues-ready-bid-Liverpool-duo-Yossi-Benayoun-Javier-Mascherano.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1280690/Chelsea-eye-double-Blues-ready-bid-Liverpool-duo-Yossi-Benayoun-Javier-Mascherano.html?ITO=1490)

Why would they want three players, if you include Torres, from some sh!t 7th place team?

Anyhoo, the bidding starts at £15M for Benny, seeing as he signed a new contract last Summer.
If we're going to be selling players like Benny, let's get back what it would cost to replace him and not just give them away for chicken feed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 24, 2010, 12:40:23 AM

40 million for a stamina-energy-based player, who turns 30 years of age next Sunday, just off a dire season of performances.

I can't see a downside.


Selling Gerrard would send out all of the wrong signals. Attracting players would be more difficult let alone trying to keep the likes of Torres.

One season off form doesn't make him a bad player Dude and to be honest I dont see him leaving or Rafa selling him for that matter.

Hopefully he will be back with a bang next season because as with years gone by so much of our success depends on him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 24, 2010, 12:47:27 AM
Chelsea eye another Double as Blues ready bid for Liverpool duo Yossi Benayoun and Javier Mascherano

Why would they want three players, if you include Torres, from some sh!t 7th place team?

Anyhoo, the bidding starts at £15M for Benny, seeing as he signed a new contract last Summer.
If we're going to be selling players like Benny, let's get back what it would cost to replace him and not just give them away for chicken feed.

Fair deal , at least 15 for Benny and they can have Masch for 40. Masch can go back to sitting on the bench in London.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2010, 01:20:30 AM
Fair deal , at least 15 for Benny and they can have Masch for 40. Masch can go back to sitting on the bench in London.

Damn, it means I'm also going to have to try to get a refund on my reader's digest world atlas as it has London as the capital of England, not Argentina.

We need to stop giving away our players for chump change. We slap a huge price on our players as Wenger does and stick to it. If players are under contract then that means they are ours. If they want to leave then they need to make the sacrifice and accept a lower salary, not us accept a lower fee. We're too 'nice' in negotiations.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2010, 03:38:34 AM
exactly, put a massive price on their heads.

personally, before his final piece of kyryptonite finally fades, I'd sell aging captain marvel and sicknote, torres......90 - 100 million quid.

if monster also wants to feck off......50 million will do nicely.

I wouldn't let Benny go.  And Reina would always be my captain. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Redman on May 24, 2010, 07:12:56 AM
I see we're being linked with Diego Forlan :o I really hope not, he never cut it at the scum what makes someone at Liverpool think he'll manage it 2nd time around?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 24, 2010, 11:41:47 AM
Damn, it means I'm also going to have to try to get a refund on my reader's digest world atlas as it has London as the capital of England, not Argentina.

We need to stop giving away our players for chump change. We slap a huge price on our players as Wenger does and stick to it. If players are under contract then that means they are ours. If they want to leave then they need to make the sacrifice and accept a lower salary, not us accept a lower fee. We're too 'nice' in negotiations.

Completely agreed Tes re selling players on the cheap. Alonso was the first player I have seen them play hard ball with price wise. Not only do clubs bully us when we try to buy their players (Martin O'Neil and Gareth come to mind) but as you say we get bullied into selling cheaply. We paid 18 million for Masch so we should be at least looking at 40 million.

Parry seemed a soft touch in negotiations but hopefully things are different now
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2010, 12:44:22 PM
Chelsea representative: "Hello there, old chap. We're interested in taking Mr Benayoun off your hands. For a fair price, of course."

Liverpool representative: "Right then, let's see". Looks at price list written on the back of an envelope. "Well, we would like £15M for that player, if that's OK with you".

Chelsea representative: Sucks in air. "You see we do have other players we need to buy so I'd like to offer you £10M".

Office door is open suddenly by tea lady, causing a draught and envelope blows out of open window.

Liverpool representative scratches his bottom, bites down on his pen and tries to remember price on back of envelope. Remembers it had a 5 in the price.
"Yes, I understand your problem. Tell you what, £5M and not a penny more".

Chelsea representative: "Spiffers, old chap. Mr Abramovich will be most pleased. Will 4 installments of a £1M each, minus the VAT of course, be agreeable?"

Liverpool representative: "Done". I'll send you our Paypal email address."

Chelsea representative puts down phone. Turns to Bruce Buck, Chelsea's American chairman. "Worra wazzock".

Bruce Buck: "Told you my 'fellow American' Thomas Ollis Hicks wouldn't let us down". 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: centenaryjonny on May 24, 2010, 02:15:03 PM
Steve G has been our most consistent performer for the past 10 years, no one has come close to having the same overall impact and working as hard for the team in that time.  The thought that he can just be binned after a season where he was in and out of the team through injuries is ridiculous.  Would £30m buy us someone with the same level of passion and heart, let alone the same skill.

To say he is not a team player is nonesense.  In the past 5 years he has played on the right for a year, in the middle for a year, up front for 2, and anywhere inbetween for the rest.  Ive seen him at right back, at left back, and despite saying that its not his natural position, he has never sulked on the pitch, or let us down.

The problem has been that he is so far ahead of the rest when it comes to the impact he has on matches, that bad games are highlighted even more.  And an average game is classed as a bad one!!

To sell Stevie G at the moment is sending a huge message out to the rest of football that Liverpool are a spent force.

It will be hard enough attracking the best players this summer as it is, why would a great player turn down a Barca, or a Chelsea to go to a club that fininshed 7th?  The name of liverpool FC is one thing, but even so, is it a bigger name nowadays than Barca, United, or even Chelsea?  If we go off names, then Blackpool will hae no problems this summer, with all players wanting to follow in the footsteps of Stanley Matthews!!!!

For the next level of players, we will be competing with the likes of City and Spurs.  Spurs can offer CL football, whilst City can offer cash, and the promise of a bright future.  If Liverpool start offloading our prized assets in Torres, Gerrard and Masch, then who is going to come with the same quality, no matter how much money we get?

The only way to build a better team is AROUND your best players, not instead of them.  Get rid of the dead wood, the 300 reserve team players who will never make it, and will be given away in 3 years having earned a fortune.  Get them off the wage bill.  Build a team with the right players in the right position.  Need a right winger? then dont buy a striker, Need a striker? Then dont buy a midfielder! 

This summer is crucial, we need players who WANT to play for Liverpool, but are also able to offer a consistent high standard.  We dont need quantity, we need quality, and getting rid of the few bits of quality we already have is just ludicrous!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2010, 03:04:34 PM
Steve G has been our most consistent performer for the past 10 years

he has never sulked on the pitch, or let us down.

The problem has been that he is so far ahead of the rest

To sell Stevie G at the moment is sending a huge message out to the rest of football that Liverpool are a spent force.

For the next level of players, we will be competing with the likes of City and Spurs. 

The only way to build a better team is AROUND your best players

I pretty much disagree with your post, in it's entirety, CJ.  ;D

TEAMS are not built around an INDIVIDUAL.  Did we build a team around Keegan?  Did we build a team around Souness?  Did we build a team around King Kenny?  Of course we didn't.  And they were FAR better players than Gerrard.

Re attitude - Stevie is well known for his sulks.

Re consistency - Stevie's lack of consistency has always been a problem.  Some have always made excuses for him e.g. his hea isn't right, he's got a world cup on his mind, he's got problems at home, he's being chased by gangsters, he's being played out of posititon, etc, etc.

Re us competing with the likes of Villa and Spurs for players.  Here's some new for you - we ALREADY ARE.  WE haven't been competing for the top tier players for many years.

And as for this notion of seinging out the wrong message (if we sold gerrard).  On the contrary, it makes excellent footballing and business sense.  As long as Rafa gets the money to spend in the market.

The lad is 30 next Sunday.  If someone offers 35 or 40 million for him, grab the hand off them.  Tho I suspect it will be more like a 30 million offer.





Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 24, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
Steve G has been our most consistent performer for the past 10 years, no one has come close to having the same overall impact and working as hard for the team in that time.  The thought that he can just be binned after a season where he was in and out of the team through injuries is ridiculous.  Would £30m buy us someone with the same level of passion and heart, let alone the same skill.

To say he is not a team player is nonesense.  In the past 5 years he has played on the right for a year, in the middle for a year, up front for 2, and anywhere inbetween for the rest.  Ive seen him at right back, at left back, and despite saying that its not his natural position, he has never sulked on the pitch, or let us down.

The problem has been that he is so far ahead of the rest when it comes to the impact he has on matches, that bad games are highlighted even more.  And an average game is classed as a bad one!!

To sell Stevie G at the moment is sending a huge message out to the rest of football that Liverpool are a spent force.

It will be hard enough attracking the best players this summer as it is, why would a great player turn down a Barca, or a Chelsea to go to a club that fininshed 7th?  The name of liverpool FC is one thing, but even so, is it a bigger name nowadays than Barca, United, or even Chelsea?  If we go off names, then Blackpool will hae no problems this summer, with all players wanting to follow in the footsteps of Stanley Matthews!!!!

For the next level of players, we will be competing with the likes of City and Spurs.  Spurs can offer CL football, whilst City can offer cash, and the promise of a bright future.  If Liverpool start offloading our prized assets in Torres, Gerrard and Masch, then who is going to come with the same quality, no matter how much money we get?

The only way to build a better team is AROUND your best players, not instead of them.  Get rid of the dead wood, the 300 reserve team players who will never make it, and will be given away in 3 years having earned a fortune.  Get them off the wage bill.  Build a team with the right players in the right position.  Need a right winger? then dont buy a striker, Need a striker? Then dont buy a midfielder! 

This summer is crucial, we need players who WANT to play for Liverpool, but are also able to offer a consistent high standard.  We dont need quantity, we need quality, and getting rid of the few bits of quality we already have is just ludicrous!!!

I think this might be the first time me and CJ agree on something!!!!lol

Stevie has arguably on his own stopped us slipping down the league over the past 10 years.  I've missed very few home games in that time and i can safely say he's probably won man of the match in 50-60% of those games. Some of your comments Dude come close to Blasphemy!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Redman on May 24, 2010, 05:21:58 PM
Quote
This summer is crucial, we need players who WANT to play for Liverpool, but are also able to offer a consistent high standard.  We dont need quantity, we need quality, and getting rid of the few bits of quality we already have is just ludicrous!!!

I agree with your post, christ am I going mad? :o agreeing with CJ whatever next? Anyway I chopped the part I really wanted to go on about. The only thing I see nowadays is football players out of touch with reality. You said we need players that want to play for LFC, most of them aren't really interested in the club/s anymore, they are only after a fat pay check. A lot of kids coming thru nowadays will all be thinking the same thing. Money has ruined the game. :(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2010, 06:14:40 PM
Alternatively sell Rafa for £30M and make Gerrard manager?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 24, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Alternatively sell Rafa for £30M and make Gerrard manager?

Joking aside if Rafa did leave, my first choice to replace him would be Carra with King Kenny his assistant
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2010, 08:48:04 PM
Joking aside if Rafa did leave, my first choice to replace him would be Carra with King Kenny his assistant

Who's joking?  ;D


Didn't Kenny try the same sort of thing with John Barnes at Celtic?

Kenny's best off staying where he is.

Alternatives are thin on the ground. Hodgson's being linked with Inter.

At least Mark Hughes is still available.  ::)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 24, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
Carra's no Johnny Johnny Barnes. Carra loves watching football 24/7. He knows the European game inside and out. I think he'll definately be our manager one day its just whether he needs to learn the trade as our assistant first.

Mark Hughes is a good manager but is an ex manc so he can stay away
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 24, 2010, 09:18:18 PM
Anyone see Glen Johnsons goal for England? Belter
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 24, 2010, 09:37:48 PM
Alternatively  sell Rafa for £30M and make Gerrard manager?

  :o :o ;D and disrupt the  dream team of sammy lee and carragher.
 
 
Quote from: Kopite999 link=topic=713.msg10597#msg10597  date=1274713417
Stevie, as we speak, is working Steat sea level to plug the BP pipeline  leak off Amerika.  Stevie, at nights, is developing new technology to  counter global warming.  Our captain will fly directly to south africa  on Batmobile One.
 
 Some of your comments Dude come close to Blasphemy!!
 

  ;D    it would be  boring if we all agreed on everything, Kopite.
 
 
 
Quote from: centenaryjonny link=topic=713.msg10593#msg10593  date=1274706903
we need players who WANT to play for Liverpool........we  don't need quantity, we need quality.

 you're stating the bleedin obvious.
 
 but let's be real here - we cannot afford the top tier players.
 
 and also, do you think some kid from south america or mainland europe,  is coming to England because of his great love or knowledge for  Liverpool?   Could they even find the city on the map.
 
 They come primarily because of the fantastic money and the opportunity.   And their da (or grandpa) has told them of our great history.
 
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 24, 2010, 10:51:14 PM
Carra's no Johnny Johnny Barnes. Carra loves watching football 24/7. He knows the European game inside and out. I think he'll definately be our manager one day its just whether he needs to learn the trade as our assistant first.

Mark Hughes is a good manager but is an ex manc so he can stay away

Carra doing a Bob Paisley, going from long serving player (though in Bob's playing days there were no such acolades as 'legend') to top class successful manager, is everybody's dream. Whether he could step straight in, on the balance of probabilities and football's history of failed top ex players as managers, it's doubtful, though if there's one player who's been on the clubs books in the last 20 years who you'd fancy to do it, it would be Carra.

I agree with you about Mark Hughes. He did an excellent job with Wales, considering the players at his disposal, likewise at Blackburn and his transfer record was pretty impressive too. It's hard to judge with City. Just how many signings were his and how much influence other people, like Gary Cook, had is hard to tell. Factor in the cash hungry modern footballer aspect and culture around City now and it's hard to say whether he could do the required job at a big team if there wasn't the same culture.

The Manc bit's not quite such a big deal for me, considering he spent time at Barca, and then finished his top flight career essentially, at Chelsea and the Manc thing becomes more diluted. I certainly don't see him in the same way as Bruce or Robson etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 25, 2010, 12:45:45 AM
Liverpool's move for Rangers kid Danny Wilson in fresh doubt over new 'homegrown' rules

EXCLUSIVE By Peter Jardine
Last updated at 12:05 AM on 25th May 2010


Danny Wilson’s dream move to Liverpool has stalled — because the young Rangers defender does not meet a ‘homegrown’ quota system being introduced by the English Premier League.

Now the cash-strapped Ibrox club could lose out on up to £3million if the 18-year-old remains in Glasgow next season before leaving when his contract expires.

Sportsmail understands Wilson had proven particularly attractive to the Merseyside giants because they are planning for new regulations which will demand eight homegrown players in every topflight club’s 25-man squad.

Liverpool initially believed it applied to footballers from across the whole of the British Isles, but their interest has now cooled after it emerged only youngsters brought through at English and Welsh clubs will qualify.

This has forced a hitch in the projected Wilson deal, which had seen Liverpool offer a £2.5m down payment, with a further £1.5m in add-ons.

While it is believed they still want to sign the PFA Scotland Young Player of the Year, it will not be with the same urgency as before. Wilson has rejected all offers of an extension to his contract with Rangers.

And it’s understood that, if no agreement can be struck with Liverpool at the moment, he will resolve to remain at Ibrox next season before becoming eligible to sign a pre-contract elsewhere in January.

Any club signing Wilson would then have to pay only around £650,000 in compensation under FIFA rules relating to players under the age of 24.

FA Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said: ‘All clubs must declare their 25-man squad at the end of August after the close of the transfer window.
‘No more than 17 of those players can be over the age of 21 and not home-grown.

‘The definition of homegrown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system. It is not in a club’s interests to stockpile players. It will make buying home-grown talent more attractive.’

Rafa Benitez has already started to adjust Liverpool’s staffing levels, with young Englishman Jonjo Shelvey signing from Charlton Athletic.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1281183/Liverpools-Rangers-kid-Danny-Wilson-fresh-doubt-new-homegrown-rules.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1281183/Liverpools-Rangers-kid-Danny-Wilson-fresh-doubt-new-homegrown-rules.html?ITO=1490)

So why didn't we fully understand the rule before potentially unsettling the player and now leaving him high and dry?

Why just the English and Welsh professional systems? I realise that Welsh professional clubs play in the English leagues but by applying that same logic Scottish players should be included as Berwick Rangers (an English club) plays in the Scottish league. Time for a 'Berwick rule'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2010, 12:49:26 AM
if Carra had 20 more years of top level experience under his belt, then possibly yes.   Sir Robert Paisley learnt all the jobs at anfield, across his long career....before getting the nod.

as for mark hughes....good job at wales.....but beyond steadying mid table ships, or a top 6 finish at city, what has he won or achieved?

if being an ex manc isn't an issue, we'd be far better employing that dutch bloke, mclaren.

not for me tho.....it has to be o'neill, or a top senior european boss (hiddink too old tho I fear......pity).




Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2010, 12:53:51 AM
FA Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore said: ‘The definition of homegrown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.’

fecking bizarre.

hasn't scudamore checked and noted that the uk is made up of england, scotland, wales and n. ireland?

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 25, 2010, 01:23:41 AM
fecking bizarre.

hasn't scudamore checked and noted that the uk is made up of england, scotland, wales and n. ireland?



Too many bangs to the head falling off horses. Oops, that's Peter Scudamore. Still, even he'd do a better job.

Dude, it's all down to this ridiculous make up of the home countries FAs. There are 4 FAs, hence 4 votes with FIFA. However, I don't see why they can't, for Premier League purposes at least, include Scotland and Nord Ireland. Just because UEFA choose to ignore the constitutional make up of GB / UK and work to UEFA / FIFA affiliated FAs when forming their basis for what constitutes 'home grown' and what is a 'foreigner', doesn't mean the league licensed by the largest FA within the component countries of the UK has to follow suit.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2010, 01:39:21 AM
I don't see why they can't, for Premier League purposes at least, include Scotland and Nord Ireland. Just because UEFA choose to ignore the constitutional make up of GB / UK and work to UEFA / FIFA affiliated FAs when forming their basis for what constitutes 'home grown' and what is a 'foreigner', doesn't mean the league licensed by the largest FA within the component countries of the UK has to follow suit.   

excatly, Tes.

thing is, wales gets pulled in.....so why not the other UK countries.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImZFPF9HNKo

we're linked with Brazilian striker, Tardelli....the lad is mid 20s,  has played in Europe.....presently with Atlético Mineiro in Brazil.
 
 we are apparently close to making a bid of 6 million for him.
 
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on May 25, 2010, 06:48:01 PM
6 Million!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmm so he's good at:
penalites....and cheeky ones at that...
stroke ins...
headers....
volleys....
simple tap ins...
running past the last defender and scoring...
and knee ins...

The rumour is out now...rafa should be on the plane to get his signature..
otherwise someone jump's in and will have him...

Anyone else remember how we dillied and dallied over a certain millito and look where he was on saturday night!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: centenaryjonny on May 25, 2010, 07:27:19 PM
Dude, to me selling Stevie G makes no sense at all.

You're right that you dont really build a team around one player, but the spine of the team is its basis, and SG is integral to the spine of the team.

I dread to think where we would have been over the past 10 years without him.  No FA Cup in 2006 for certain and chances are no Istanbul, even if someone else had the skill, determination and nerve to score THAT goal against Olympiacos, I cant see us turning the final around without his heart.

If you are trying to build a team (ignore the fact that its so far taken 6 years to build this one) then you dont sell your best players.  Whats the point?  Would you really trust Rafa to find a replacement for Gerrard with £30m?  And if so, who?  Who else in the world can tackle, pass, shoot, cross and run as well as SG, and will also bring a love for the club and the city as big as his? 

The best and only way to build a team is to have 3 or 4 players who you can rely on to perform at a constantly high level, and add other players to it.  If Carra is the grit, and Torres the finesse, then Stevie is the heartbeat of the team.  Wherever you put him on the pitch, he will perform as good if not better than the man he replaces, so please Dude, I'm all ears tell me someone who is available, who wants to come and will cost £30m or less that can play DM, RW, CM, AM, and CF as good as Gerrard?

Or do you still want to build your team around your beloved Kuyt as you have previously said, who by the way is 30 in July, so surely must be shipped on along with the ancient Carra at 32!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 25, 2010, 07:48:46 PM
but your hero, arsene wenger, sold Vieira.   :P

and fergie very rapidly got rid of roy keane.

clubs move on.....organisations move on.

gerrard's value will plummet fast, like his stamina, once he gets on the far side of 30.

we always seemed to have to chase games, especially big ones, when stevie was at the heart of our midfield.  I can never recall that being such an issue under souness.

I much prefer a more disciplined central midfielder.

Souness, for me, was the king of midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on May 25, 2010, 08:23:00 PM
but your hero, arsene wenger, sold Vieira.   :P

and fergie very rapidly got rid of roy keane.

clubs move on.....organisations move on.

gerrard's value will plummet fast, like his stamina, once he gets on the far side of 30.

we always seemed to have to chase games, especially big ones, when stevie was at the heart of our midfield.  I can never recall that being such an issue under souness.

I much prefer a more disciplined central midfielder.

Souness, for me, was the king of midfielders.


Gerrard has very rarely played in the centre this year, and has been mainly used just behind the striker. When he has played in the middle we have looked like a much better team, solid and alot more creative. Since Alonso has left i've always said Gerrard should drop back. But our lack of strikers has meant that this hasnt been possible. Getting rid of Gerrard would dash any hope of finishing in the top 4 next year
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on May 26, 2010, 06:23:55 AM
Who's joking?  ;D

Didn't Kenny try the same sort of thing with John Barnes at Celtic?


I seem to remember that at the time when Gerrard didn't sign for Chelsea in 2006...there was a lot of talk about how Gerrard would be groomed as a potential player manager by Benitez...if he goes off to Real Madrid...
I haven't seen any sign of this though...but i think a Gerrard and Dalglish double act would be something to consider...
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: centenaryjonny on May 26, 2010, 11:24:07 AM
but your hero, arsene wenger, sold Vieira.   :P

and fergie very rapidly got rid of roy keane.

clubs move on.....organisations move on.

gerrard's value will plummet fast, like his stamina, once he gets on the far side of 30.

we always seemed to have to chase games, especially big ones, when stevie was at the heart of our midfield.  I can never recall that being such an issue under souness.

I much prefer a more disciplined central midfielder.

Souness, for me, was the king of midfielders.


Why is Wenger my hero?????

Anyway, yes Fergie sold Keane because he was a manager who knew what he was doing, he knew how to change a team to fit around its best players, he hasnt though sold Giggs or Scholes or Neville has he?  Players who have come up through the ranks who have experience and know what it means to play for their club.

By selling Gerrard you are losing one of the best assests both on and off the pitch the club has got, and I notice you have failed to offer up a replacement??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gerrard IS a central midfielder, and thats where he should be, hes not a striker, or a second striker, yet he does a good job there, the fact that Lucas is keeping him out of the centre says more about our wonderful manager than it does about anyone else!!

And why are we always 'chasing games'?  Could it be that with only one striker and often not the proper one, by playing 2 holding defensive midfielders regardless of the opositition, we are leaving our open to a sucker punch that means we have to 'chase the game' to get a result.  Meaning our players, especially the best ones have to push that bit harder each week possibly causing pulls and strains of the muscles.  Any coincidence that Torres, Gerrard and Yossi (probably our 3 best attacking options) who are called on each week to dig us out of another hole seem to always have strains and pulls??????????????????

Any coincidence that the same three have suffered their longest spells on the sidelines, (apart from broken bones) in their careers since playing under Rafa due to strains and muscle pulls????????

So again, I pose the question, who would you buy who shares ALL the qualities of Stevie for £30m?  A player who would come, and a player who would show the same determination and passion that he does?  I'm all ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 26, 2010, 11:54:32 AM
It's understandable that Dude seems to be in a majority of one as far as letting Gerrard go but the reality in three years time of keeping him could be (and I paraphrase CJ here, only because his wording fits well) - "how can we afford to buy a player who shares ALL the qualities of Stevie?  A player who would come, and a player who would show the same determination and passion that he has?  I'm all ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Adductor problems rapidly increase with age, the signs are really not good already.

Best hope all round is that come circa 2013 we won't be worried about how we replace him. Either the replacement is already at the club ready to step up or we have the finance to bring in a suitable replacement.

Unfortunately, both sides of the argument have their merits, especially considering our current plight and the fact that damage is caused much more quickly than it's fixed and the Toxics have already been here more than 3 years.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 26, 2010, 02:15:16 PM
thanks, Tes. 

I think Tes should be the leader of the Anfieldroad's coalition govt.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: centenaryjonny on May 26, 2010, 04:12:52 PM
A close season love in, nice!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 26, 2010, 05:13:33 PM
Ask nicely, and you never know.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 26, 2010, 11:41:50 PM
A close season love in, nice!

I have lobbied Prime Minister Tes, in this coalition govt, to make you Minister or War.....and me, Minister of Peace, Love & Understanding.

You are looking after Iraq, while I'm taking it easy here, in the tropics, overseeing tobacco quality and high fliers.

 ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 27, 2010, 12:18:51 PM
I have pleasure in announcing an offer to CJ to become the minister for FACTS.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 27, 2010, 03:31:34 PM
I have pleasure in announcing an offer to CJ to become the minister for FACTS.  ;D

 ;D

And we know what happened to the last minister for facts.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: centenaryjonny on May 27, 2010, 05:19:51 PM
I greatfully accept, and shall soon be publishing both a pie-chart, and graph to illustrate my happiness!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 27, 2010, 08:54:55 PM
I greatfully accept, and shall soon be publishing both a pie-chart, and graph to illustrate my happiness!!

Bar charts aswell. All with plenty of pretty, sparkly colours. Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 28, 2010, 10:04:24 AM
Been linked with Simao.

Some papers suggesting it will be to replace Benni who will be off to Chelsea which if the Benni half of the story is true would be the final straw for me.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6176080,00.html

Atletico Madrid winger Simao Sabrosa has admitted his interest in playing in the Premier League amid reports Liverpool are planning an £8million bid.

The Portugal international has one year left on his contract in Spain and has been linked with a move to Anfield for many years.

Rafa Benitez is understood to be a fan and is in the market for a left winger, while Simao did his reputation no harm when starring in Atletico's Europa League semi-final victory over the Reds.

Liverpool could therefore make a move this summer and the 30-year-old has indicated that he is attracted by the prospect of switching to England.

Simao is quoted as saying in the Daily Star: "Nobody has spoken with me in the last days about this subject.

"I only say that some people in Madrid have suggested that Atletico are preparing my sale, but I don't know too much.

"I have always been interested in playing in the Premier League, but my head is in the World Cup and I have a deal with Atletico."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 28, 2010, 10:42:56 PM
Been linked with Simao.

Some papers suggesting it will be to replace Benni who will be off to Chelsea which if the Benni half of the story is true would be the final straw for me.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6176080,00.html

Atletico Madrid winger Simao Sabrosa has admitted his interest in playing in the Premier League amid reports Liverpool are planning an £8million bid.

The Portugal international has one year left on his contract in Spain and has been linked with a move to Anfield for many years.

Rafa Benitez is understood to be a fan and is in the market for a left winger, while Simao did his reputation no harm when starring in Atletico's Europa League semi-final victory over the Reds.

Liverpool could therefore make a move this summer and the 30-year-old has indicated that he is attracted by the prospect of switching to England.

Simao is quoted as saying in the Daily Star: "Nobody has spoken with me in the last days about this subject.

"I only say that some people in Madrid have suggested that Atletico are preparing my sale, but I don't know too much.

"I have always been interested in playing in the Premier League, but my head is in the World Cup and I have a deal with Atletico."

This is one of my beefs with Rafa. £8M is the rumoured price for a player with 1 year left on his contract. He is a year older than Benni.
So just what is the point? Very similar players, yet the player we already have is younger, premier league tried and tested and will we make more for Benni (which we should having only signed a contract last Summer) than it costs to buy Simao?

It just seems like buying and selling for the sake of it.

We need stability. All other aspects of the club are a mess. As we don't have the cash to massively strengthen then lets strengthen in other ways by making only essential changes, having as few new players to try to blend into the team/squad and work on continuity. Continuity brings a greater depth of understanding of the way each player plays and settled teams/squads tend to perform better. It's why Chelsea have continued to do well despite managerial changes as the playing staff has seen few changes in reality over the last 2-3 years. Likewise Arsenal. It's the reason they've easily remained in the top four despite spending less than they've made in sales as the bulk of the squad has remained stable with just a couple of outgoing players and an addition or two keeping the changes to a minimum.

With the exception of left back which definately needs to be a new addition, we can have a core of 15/16 players who have all been at the club for around 2 seasons with the exception of Johnson (no premier league settling in period required), Aquilani and Maxi (who have both shown promise). Aquilani and Maxi look as though if played consistantly will combine well with Torres, Gerrard and Benni, add in Johnson's attacking ability and that gives us a very promising attacking threat if played together constantly so the understanding can blossom further.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on May 28, 2010, 11:49:23 PM
It says on Football365 thats he's a replacement for Riera... so it's gotta be an improvement. Should have been here a couple years ago when the rumours first popped up not now when he's 30.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 29, 2010, 12:21:43 AM
If we can cover the purchase with the sale of Riera then it's a definate improvement. His age isn't the end of the world. Age brings experience and as he's never been the quickest it's not one of his strengths he'll lose. As long as he can acclimatise to the Premier League, all things considered, he could be a solid addition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 29, 2010, 12:24:40 AM
This is one of my beefs with Rafa. £8M is the rumoured price for a player with 1 year left on his contract. He is a year older than Benni.
So just what is the point? Very similar players, yet the player we already have is younger, premier league tried and tested and will we make more for Benni (which we should having only signed a contract last Summer) than it costs to buy Simao?

It just seems like buying and selling for the sake of it.

We need stability. All other aspects of the club are a mess. As we don't have the cash to massively strengthen then lets strengthen in other ways by making only essential changes, having as few new players to try to blend into the team/squad and work on continuity. Continuity brings a greater depth of understanding of the way each player plays and settled teams/squads tend to perform better. It's why Chelsea have continued to do well despite managerial changes as the playing staff has seen few changes in reality over the last 2-3 years. Likewise Arsenal. It's the reason they've easily remained in the top four despite spending less than they've made in sales as the bulk of the squad has remained stable with just a couple of outgoing players and an addition or two keeping the changes to a minimum.

With the exception of left back which definately needs to be a new addition, we can have a core of 15/16 players who have all been at the club for around 2 seasons with the exception of Johnson (no premier league settling in period required), Aquilani and Maxi (who have both shown promise). Aquilani and Maxi look as though if played consistantly will combine well with Torres, Gerrard and Benni, add in Johnson's attacking ability and that gives us a very promising attacking threat if played together constantly so the understanding can blossom further.   

Agree with every word Tes. I think its shows a huge flaw in Benitez's make up to be falling out with someone like Benni.

If anything he should be deciding to play him every week. Drop Gerrard back next season and if we aren't playing two up front i see no reason why he cant start either behind Torres or on the left or right.

Hes guaranteed a goal every other game.

Ancelotti seems to see his worth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 29, 2010, 12:30:15 AM
It says on Football365 thats he's a replacement for Riera... so it's gotta be an improvement. Should have been here a couple years ago when the rumours first popped up not now when he's 30.

Jas

He would be there or there abouts with Riera. I thought Riera did very well in his first season until he seemed once again to have a falling out with the gaffer. It was down hill from there and this year was a write off for him.

If Simao can adapt to England it wouldnt be a bad buy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 29, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
ln the Red! Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez handed measly £5m summer transfer kitty

EXCLUSIVE By Chris Wheeler
Last updated at 11:22 PM on 28th May 2010


Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks’ pledge to hand Rafael Benitez a ‘substantial transfer budget’ was in question last night after it emerged that the manager has no more than £5million to spend.

Despite three meetings with new Anfield chairman Martin Broughton, Benitez is still unsure if money generated from player sales will be made available to him for signings and remains wary of giving the go-ahead to deals that would see Yossi Benayoun, Ryan Babel, Albert Riera and Philipp Degen sold to foreign clubs.

Amid concern that it could take up to 18 months for Hicks and George Gillett to sell up as they hold out for £800m, and with Benitez’s own future still in some doubt, Liverpool are wide open to big offers for unsettled stars Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard.

Both players have indicated they will wait until after the World Cup before making any firm decisions and incoming Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho yesterday became the first to register his interest in Gerrard openly.

Benitez is desperate to keep hold of the pair, a feeling shared by the various factions that have emerged at Anfield as Liverpool have descended deeper into debt and internal chaos.
But opinion is split over whether it might make financial sense to cash in on at least one of the stars if it allows the club to make several new signings.

Javier Mascherano, Pepe Reina and Glen Johnson are the other players Benitez would be loath to lose, although problems over agreeing a new contract with Mascherano have left the Liverpool boss with no option but to consider sacrificing the Argentina midfielder to try and raise transfer funds.

On Wednesday, Hicks ruled out the possibility of selling Liverpool’s top players and promised ‘significant investment’ this summer which, he claimed, would mean the club’s gross and net transfer spending had doubled since he and Gillett took over three years ago.

Benitez is believed to be working to a budget of £4-5m. It is one of the reasons he has struggled to tie up a modest £2m deal for Rangers defender Danny Wilson, which would rise to £4m with add-ons.

The Liverpool boss has not always helped his own cause, however, with many fans still wondering why he paid £17m for Roma midfielder Alberto Aquilani last summer.

Aquilani ruled out a move to Juventus yesterday, insisting he wants to stay.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282328/ln-Red-Liverpool-boss-Rafa-Benitez-handed-measly-5m-summer-transfer-kitty.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282328/ln-Red-Liverpool-boss-Rafa-Benitez-handed-measly-5m-summer-transfer-kitty.html?ITO=1490)

If this is true it makes a mockery of Hicks' claims about a ‘substantial transfer budget’ and "Since Moores ownership in the last three years including this summer we will have doubled both gross and net spending on players."
The other day Sky proved that the net spend under these pair was substanially less than Moores last 3 years.
If they can't give the manager a transfer budget of any significance, then it's imperative that he is able to keep every last penny he raises.
Afterall, Pursestrings claimed that the player costs, including transfers, had to be self sustaining and that no transfer income could be used to pay debts as the transfer account was ring fenced.
Re-investing all transfer income into new players is self sustaining.

Looks like more lies from the owners and management at the club.

Hopefully the media, come Sept 1st when the window shuts and we can see exactly what has been raised and (not) spent, will rip into these two vultures, and Pursestrings, in the same way they rip into Bentitez about his spending, and expose their lies to the fullest extent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on May 29, 2010, 02:40:48 PM
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Hopefully the media, come Sept 1st when the window shuts and we can see exactly what has been raised and (not) spent, will rip into these two vultures, and Pursestrings, in the same way they rip into Bentitez about his spending, and expose their lies to the fullest extent.

Can't see the media ever playing fair...now i've been a critic of rafa's...mainly for his negative play...but the media always back big business and they always hate johnny foreigner...

the FACTS have been there in the first year that the 2 yankee scum profiteers bought the club.... and the media have said nowt...laughing at rafa as he's had to sell players to buy...if Ferguson had been anything other than a gin swigging british isles taciturn git then they would have turned on him decades ago...
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 29, 2010, 04:10:16 PM
I agree with Tes.  We need consistency at the club.  All this chopping and changing ruins a club's ability to compete.

Simao may, or may not, do well in england.  But at 30 years of age, no thanks.

I am a fan of Rafa, by and large.  But for me, it will be the end of the road if he shows Benni the door.  I won't be able to defend the sale of such a superb player.

As for the media, I imagine this 5 million supposed budget, is just more lies......similar to the way the media skewed Hick's comments earlier in the year, to suggest that we were gonna 'spend big' come the summer. 

They just make stuff up, and manipulate quotes.  They honestly think they can get away with it, even in this internet age.  It just makes me stop taking such newspapers/journalists seriously.

On a similar vein, I was pissed off at James Lawton, of the Independent, latest anti-Liverpool article this week.  This season, that man has spent loads of time attacking the club in his weekly articles.  But rather than attack our owners, and the severe debt issues across football, he attacks Rafa (seemingly his pet hate) and now this week, Moores.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-moores-liverpool-lament-is-a-selfpitying-testament-to-football-mens-follies-1983747.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-moores-liverpool-lament-is-a-selfpitying-testament-to-football-mens-follies-1983747.html)

if that link is too long, here is a shorter link

http://tinyurl.com/36nlhv3 (http://tinyurl.com/36nlhv3)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 30, 2010, 03:13:38 PM
A story of when a blonde met a Chav:


Fernando Torres should sign for Tottenham if Liverpool are going to spend three years in transition, quips Sky babe (and Reds fan) Charlotte Jackson


By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 12:13 PM on 30th May 2010


Sky Sports News babe Charlotte Jackson may be a Liverpool fan - but her views on Fernando Torres are unlikely to go down well at Anfield.

In an interview for the Mail On Sunday's Live magazine, the presenter admits even Tottenham Hotspur might be a better place for the Spain striker than on Merseyside.

Revealing a recent conversation with Liverpool chairman Martin Broughton, Jackson hardly got the feeling that Torres was untouchable as the club have been at pains to point out.

'I saw Martin Broughton at Chelsea's Player of the Year dinner, and he refused to tell me we weren't going to sell Torres, said the 30-year-old.

'He said: "We'll let him go to the World Cup. At the moment he's still on board, but it's going to take three years to turn the club around, and at his age..."

If it's going to take three years to turn the club around, that's going to coincide with the peak of his career, and he'll want to be playing in Europe. So he should probably go and join Tottenham.'


Sportsmail have already revealed that Chelsea - the team Broughton supports - are lining up a £70million bid for Torres, while Manchester City's interest was all-but-scuppered by their failure to qualify for Champions League football.

The former Setanta presenter also admitted it was difficult to be a calm impartial broadcaster when her team were in the news.

'It's hard not to react when your team is doing well,' she said. ;Celebrating on-air would not go down well. When Liverpool scored against Man Utd I couldn't resist a quick celebration - off the air - but I was warned not to, just in case I did it on-air by mistake.

'I mean, everyone supports a team and looks for them to win - the problem is that Liverpool are very high profile. If I supported Tranmere I could probably get away with it.'

However, she can be excused for cheering on England in South Africa this summer and will is optimistic about the country's chances.

''I think we will win the World Cup,' she said. 'Everyone always says we fall victim to the hype and the tension, but Fabio Capello has instilled a massive sense of confidence and self-belief.

'We've got a really good draw, although I am a bit worried about the game against the United States, purely because of first-match nerves.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282615/Fernando-Torres-sign-Tottenham-says-Liverpool-fan-Charlotte-Jackson.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282615/Fernando-Torres-sign-Tottenham-says-Liverpool-fan-Charlotte-Jackson.html?ITO=1490)

As Broughton's taking the club's money, as opposed to the Toxics', he could at least appear professional and committed to the club.

I wonder if this c*nt uses Virgin Atlantic exclusively aswell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 30, 2010, 11:38:58 PM
As Broughton's taking the club's money, as opposed to the Toxics', he could at least appear professional and committed to the club.

I wonder if this c*nt uses Virgin Atlantic exclusively aswell.

The club seems more rotten to the core by the day. Outside of Rafa theres not many at the club I trust.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 30, 2010, 11:49:53 PM
The Benny story wont go away. And it looks as if he will go for a paltry 6 million. Rafa risks alienating himself from the fans after this one. If next season started like the last one ended I couldn't defend him much more if hes going to sell our best players for that sort of money.

Its one thing not having the resources to compete, its quiet another letting your ego and pigheadedness get in the way of your professional relationship with some of the team.

Of course there wont be any hope of Joe Cole coming in as replacement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/30/joe-cole-chelsea-contract


Chelsea set to free Joe Cole and go after Yossi Benayoun

Joe Cole on England duty against Japan – the Chelsea midfielder looks set to leave the club on a free transfer. Photograph: Darko Bandic/AP

Chelsea have paved the way for Joe Cole's departure from Stamford Bridge by formalising their interest in the Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun, with the Israeli confident a transfer can be completed over the next week.

An opening bid of £4m is understood to have been knocked back by the Merseyside club, though they have offered Chelsea encouragement that an improved offer of about £6m will secure the 30-year-old. Carlo Ancelotti is keen to sign the Israel international after talks with Cole's representative over a new deal reached an impasse, with the midfielder now expected to leave under freedom of contract next month.

Tottenham Hotspur, with a potential Champions League campaign ahead, remain favourites to secure Cole under the Bosman ruling, ending his seven-year stay in south-west London since a £6.6m move from West Ham United. The 28-year-old had hoped to gain an increase on his weekly wage to £100,000, but Chelsea are set upon restructuring financially and did not offer him improved terms.

Cole has not had a regular first‑team place at the Double winners under Ancelotti, and Benayoun will have to accept life as a squad player as well. His own fortunes at Liverpool dipped somewhat towards the end of last season to mirror those of the team, with his relationship with the manager, Rafael Benítez, steadily deteriorating to the point where Liverpool effectively sanctioned his departure in the closed season.

The move is surprising given that Benayoun, who had also attracted tentative interest from his former club West Ham United and Spurs, is two years older than Cole in a squad that is already considered to be ageing, though he does have pedigree in the Premier League.

The Israeli anticipates the completion of his move to Stamford Bridge over the next few days having indicated last week while on international duty that Chelsea were keen to sign him. "Ancelotti wants me for next season and now everything depends on Liverpool," he said. "Chelsea will have to pay some £6m, but I believe that, in the end, I'll be moving there."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 31, 2010, 12:06:33 AM
With Benny on the way and with the financial nightmare at the club im trying to decide what signings i would constitute as being a successful summers spending.

Aside from the Liege lad already signed i would consider Joe Cole on the free, Stephen Ireland / Van Der Vaart in the 10 million region and possibly Micah Richards aswell constituting a good summers work.

Thats with Benny (not willingly selling him), Degen, Aurelio, Babel leaving to raise the cash.

If Masch walked Id buy another striker aswell. Although we desperately need a left back too.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 31, 2010, 01:00:11 AM
I thought Benni had signed a new contract last Summer. Him and Simao are the same age, very similar types of players, established internationals and yet Benni looks like being sold for less despite Simao only having a year left on his contract.

I'm with you Juan. We have the financial clout of a newly promoted Championship team or one of the Premiership's perennial relegation candidates, so why don't we start behaving like them and asking for top price. Sh!t, just for once, take a leaf out of our lords' and masters' book.

If Rafa's got a problem with him, tough. If he wants him gone, tough. Unless we get an amount for him that means we can get a replacement without having to put much to it, then Rafa needs to start acting like the well paid manager he is and not like some spoilt brat. Club before personality clashes.

If we're regarding him as a left sided attacker (he's not a winger and despite so many thinking it to be the case, in our formation we don't play wingers, in the traditional sense) then likely replacements such as Turan or Mata will cost into double figures and from a footballing perspective, he's third of three left sided players who could be sold. A very definate and distant third. Van de Vaart may be as close to Benni as we could afford but Benni is Premiership proven unlike VDV so that attracts a premium when setting the price, as does the fact it's Chelsea that's interested. Abramovich was only too happy to throw rubles around like cheap confetti previously, so if he wants one of our players, he can do 'a Shaun Wright Phillips version 2'.

As he can also cover two other positions his value to us, not just financially, is immense.

Rafa seems to have been infected with Parryitis.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on May 31, 2010, 01:44:17 AM
I have no heart, or interest, in even thinking about new players to buy, when I think of the stupid sale of Benny.

If Benny goes, then as far as I am concerned, Benitez can go with him.

I will have lost all confidence in our manager, if such a sale goes through - considering the facts that: a) we are losing a top quality player at the height of his brilliance, b) we are further strengthening a key rival Chelsea and c) at a poxy six fuking million quid.......and d) we haven't a fecking hope in hell in finding a Benny replacement (of his quality) for 6 million.  Hell, 15 million wouldn't get you a replacement.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 31, 2010, 10:12:40 AM
Hell, 15 million wouldn't get you a replacement.



15 million might get you a potentially quality unproven PL foreign replacement.

Premiership quality as a characteristic in a player alone should cost an extra 10 million. Oh wait it actually does but just not when your buying from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on May 31, 2010, 11:03:08 AM
15 million might get you a potentially quality unproven PL foreign replacement.

Premiership quality as a characteristic in a player alone should cost an extra 10 million. Oh wait it actually does but just not when your buying from Liverpool.

We appear to offer discounts instead of adding on premiums. At this rate the sale of Riera, Benni and Babel will raise enough for us to bid for a 'Mathew Etherington'.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on May 31, 2010, 10:38:18 PM
Apparently the presenter Charlotte Jackson who is at the center of the Martin Broughton / Fernando Torres comments has now denied any truth in the story whatsoever.

She announced on twitter;

“By the way, if you have read the Mail or Times article about Torres it’s complete nonsense. Never said anything about him or Tottenham!”

No chance of Martin Broughton denying it before now.

I just hope player unsettling stories like these arent emanating from inside Anfield!
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 12:03:08 AM
So what's our chairman doing at a Chelsea players' award dinner?

Strange how they've been so quick off the mark with the Yossi bid (never been linked before) and they seem to know what sort of (derisory) bid Benitez would accept. I'm not suggesting anything, however..............
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 12:14:58 AM
So what's our chairman doing at a Chelsea players' award dinner?

Strange how they've been so quick off the mark with the Yossi bid (never been linked before) and they seem to know what sort of (derisory) bid Benitez would accept. I'm not suggesting anything, however..............

You couldnt make this stuff up Tes.

Two owners who dont speak, CP who is apparently very much trying to undermine Benitez (for what greater good or purpose i'm not sure), and then Martin Broughton a lifelong Chelsea fan brought in to oversee one of the most pivotal points in the clubs 118 year history. This has all the ingredients for a Hollywood blockbuster.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 12:21:16 AM
Someone at Anfield must be reading these boards  ??? or else they have decided to grow a pair and not accept the first offer for a change. Saying that 10 millions not enough and we have probably just played in to Chelseas hands and will now go on to meet somewhere in the middle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282954/Liverpool-demand-10m-Chelsea-wantaway-Yossi-Benayoun.html?ITO=1490

Liverpool demand £10m from Chelsea for wantaway Yossi Benayoun

By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 11:08 PM on 31st May 2010

Liverpool will demand £10million from Chelsea for Yossi Benayoun in a bid to put them off a move for the Israeli.

Sportsmail revealed Chelsea's interest last month but, despite needing cash for players, manager Rafa Benitez does not want to sell to their main rivals and would prefer Benayoun to move abroad with another £6million offer already on the table from Spartak Moscow.

The problem for Benitez is that Benayoun, 30, wants the move to Chelsea and will push for a deal to be done.

Aston Villa have also shown interest as they weigh up possible replacements for Manchester City target James Milner.

Ironically, Milner is a player that Benitez would like to sign but can't afford with his current budget.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 12:30:41 AM
Benni is under contract so he stays until the fee is sufficient to make us decide to release him from that contract. £10M should be the floor price, not the ceiling one. Does Rafa not realise no other club is going to give their players away to us for peanuts? He needs to screw the maximum for every player sold. God, I hope he doesn't run the finances in the Benitez household. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 12:34:21 AM
You couldnt make this stuff up Tes.

Two owners who dont speak, CP who is apparently very much trying to undermine Benitez (for what greater good or purpose i'm not sure), and then Martin Broughton a lifelong Chelsea fan brought in to oversee one of the most pivotal points in the clubs 118 year history. This has all the ingredients for a Hollywood blockbuster.

It would be hilarious if it was any other club.

Another thing I don't understand is if Broughton is only in charge of the sale and it's Pursestrings that's supposed to be running the club 'day to day', what's Benitez doing having these meetings with Broughton, unless he's wanting to buy the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 12:34:33 AM

Aston Villa have also shown interest as they weigh up possible replacements for Manchester City target James Milner.

Ironically, Milner is a player that Benitez would like to sign but can't afford with his current budget.

Same old same old, Rafas never able to pick these players up when they are half the price but in need of someone to give them a chance. He was well within budget then.

It was the same before Aguero signed for Athletico, he was pleading to come to Liverpool and cost 14 million then.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 12:39:01 AM
It would be hilarious if it was any other club.

Another thing I don't understand is if Broughton is only in charge of the sale and it's Pursestrings that's supposed to be running the club 'day to day', what's Benitez doing having these meetings with Broughton, unless he's wanting to buy the club.

Lol if Rafa bought the club he would probably want to take over everyone's role. From cooking the breakfast to lining the pitch, LFC would be a one man show.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 12:41:23 AM
Same old same old, Rafas never able to pick these players up when they are half the price but in need of someone to give them a chance. He was well within budget then.

It was the same before Aguero signed for Athletico, he was pleading to come to Liverpool and cost 14 million then.

Add Gary Cahill to that list if all the links are to be believed.
£4.5M to Bolton in Jan 2008, £15M+ in Summer 2010.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 12:43:25 AM
Lol if Rafa bought the club he would probably want to take over everyone's role. From cooking the breakfast to lining the pitch, LFC would be a one man show.

As we're now a 'franchise' I'm sure we'd (he'd) have no problem changing the name to Benitez (un)United.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 12:47:38 AM
As we're now a 'franchise' I'm sure we'd (he'd) have no problem changing the name to Benitez (un)United.

That has a nice disharmonious ring to it
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 12:53:53 AM
All just speculation but I guess thats what this thread is for. I would say this report will be the story of our summer but i doubt very much we will be competing with any of the top 5 for anyone.   :'(

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-to-lose-race-for-spanish-international

Liverpool to lose race for Spanish international
Liverpool - Javi Martinez could join Manchester City instead
By GMF Editor  May 31, 2010

Liverpool look set to miss out on Spanish international Javi Martinez.

The Athletic Bilbao youngster has impressed in La Liga after making his debut in 2006, and both Liverpool and Manchester City have been linked with a move for the 21-year-old.

It is reported that the Citizens are now favourites to land Martinez, with Mancini monitoring the former Osasuna midfielder for several months after admiting his interest in the player.

The Basque side paid €6 million for a then 17-year-old in four years ago, and Martinez instantly forced his way into Athletic's side in his first season at the club.

With over 150 appearances to his name, Martinez has experience in abundance and was linked with a move to Anfield last summer.

Rafa Benitez never made his move, and could now be priced out of the market for the versatile star with City reportedly ready to meet a buy-out clause in the player's contract.

The Daily Mail reports that Mancini could splash out around £18 million for the Spanish U21 skipper, who has forced his way into the national side for the World Cup in South Africa.

Benitez is expected to try and use his Spanish contacts in an effort to persuade Bilbao over a move to Merseyside, but the financial might of City could be too much for the Reds.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
All just speculation but I guess thats what this thread is for. I would say this report will be the story of our summer but i doubt very much we will be competing with any of the top 5 for anyone.   :'(

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/liverpool-to-lose-race-for-spanish-international

Liverpool to lose race for Spanish international
Liverpool - Javi Martinez could join Manchester City instead
By GMF Editor  May 31, 2010

Liverpool look set to miss out on Spanish international Javi Martinez.

The Athletic Bilbao youngster has impressed in La Liga after making his debut in 2006, and both Liverpool and Manchester City have been linked with a move for the 21-year-old.

It is reported that the Citizens are now favourites to land Martinez, with Mancini monitoring the former Osasuna midfielder for several months after admiting his interest in the player.

The Basque side paid €6 million for a then 17-year-old in four years ago, and Martinez instantly forced his way into Athletic's side in his first season at the club.

With over 150 appearances to his name, Martinez has experience in abundance and was linked with a move to Anfield last summer.

Rafa Benitez never made his move, and could now be priced out of the market for the versatile star with City reportedly ready to meet a buy-out clause in the player's contract.

The Daily Mail reports that Mancini could splash out around £18 million for the Spanish U21 skipper, who has forced his way into the national side for the World Cup in South Africa.

Benitez is expected to try and use his Spanish contacts in an effort to persuade Bilbao over a move to Merseyside, but the financial might of City could be too much for the Reds.


This is where the Alonso money should have gone last Summer. Another ship that's sailed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 01, 2010, 10:46:44 AM
This is where the Alonso money should have gone last Summer. Another ship that's sailed.

agreed.

our transfer activity in the past 2 or 3 years has not been what it used to be (i.e. poorer than what it was in the first few years of Rafa's time at anfield).

for some reason, rafa has lost touch with his home market.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 11:04:12 AM
for some reason, rafa has lost touch with his home market.

- Pako Ayestaran - Paco Herrera + Eduardo Macia = disasterous transfer decisions
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 11:15:38 AM
Prem duo eye Real youngster

Last updated: 1st June 2010


Reds and Hammers linked with Opare loan

Liverpool and West Ham are competing with a host of clubs from across Europe for Real Madrid starlet Daniel Opare, skysports.com understands.

Opare is regarded as one of Africa's brightest talents and was spotted by Real early on as he moved to the Spanish capital in 2007.

The Ghana youngster was tipped to make the breakthrough from their Castilla side last term, but injury hampered his progress.

Now fully fit, the versatile full-back, who can also play anywhere in midfield, is now set to be allowed to move on loan next season.

This has alerted a string of clubs from across Europe, with England very much a potential destination with both Liverpool and West Ham understood to be keen on taking him.

Also keen to snap him up are the likes of Lyon, PSV Eindhoven, Club Brugge, Buraspor and Steve McClaren's Wolfsburg.

The player's representative Chris Nathaniel confirmed to skysports.com that interest in Opare was significant.

"Daniel is fully fit again now and is ready to play next season," he told skysports.com.

"Of course his injury means he will not be considered for Real's first-team but he hopes a spell on loan somewhere could help him come to the attention of Jose Mourinho.

"With that in mind, Daniel is now considering his options carefully as he has a number of options and he is already looking forward to pre-season training - wherever that may be."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6183423,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6183423,00.html)

Interesting. If a loan move frees up cash to strengthen the left sided attacking role and striking positions, then so be it. This season is just about getting through it, hopefully getting back in the top four and hopefully start the season after next with a new owner. Only then can we start to rebuild and move forward.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 05:30:58 PM
No clue what this guys like. Anyone got any idea? I will hold fire on predicting how this guy will fair out if he signs.

http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2010/06/01/ever-banega-rafa-closing-in-on-85m-argentine-playmaker-for-reds/

Ever Banega: Rafa Closing in on £8.5M Argentine Playmaker for Reds

According to reports in both the Spanish and Argentine press, Liverpool are set to sign Valencia’s talented young midfielder Ever Banega for a fee of £8.5m as Rafa Benitez begins his rebuilding process at Anfield. The young Argentinean has been a long-term target of Benitez but also David Moyes who attempted to sign the 21-year-old on loan last summer. However, it would seem that Liverpool rather than Everton have won the race for his signature.

Last summer Everton attended a home office meeting in London to push through the necessary paperwork to seal a late transfer window move but the deal could not be agreed. The Toffees loss could be Liverpool’s gain as he could be a very exciting signing for the club and fill the role that was vacated by Xabi Alonso’s exit last summer.

The 21-year-old joined Valencia in January 2008 but after just 47 League appearances for the club (40 starts) the Spanish side are likely to offload the youngster. Valencia’s financial problems are well documented but they are set to take a loss on a player signed for £14m. Ironically, Banega has had his best season with the club after making 35 league appearances (33 starts which is a major breakthrough considering in his first season he only started seven league matches and then was loaned out to Atletico Madrid. However, despite a tough start to his time in Europe, Banega has shown enough talent to impress Rafa Benitez who is keen to bring him to Liverpool to join fellow Argentines Javier Mascherano, Maxi Rodriguez and Emiliano Insua.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
Just wondering, what would you guys think of signing Raul on a free?

Just saw a report that he is weighing up his future at Real. I know we have been linked previously. His experience alone would worth a punt. Hes not the same player he once was but a model pro and with our transfer budget id snap him up. He could be our equivalent to when United signed Teddy Sheringham at 33.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on June 01, 2010, 08:36:06 PM
Would be good to get him because he's better than ngog but his wages might be very excessive
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 09:15:17 PM
No clue what this guys like. Anyone got any idea? I will hold fire on predicting how this guy will fair out if he signs.

http://community.footballpools.com/blog/2010/06/01/ever-banega-rafa-closing-in-on-85m-argentine-playmaker-for-reds/

Ever Banega: Rafa Closing in on £8.5M Argentine Playmaker for Reds

According to reports in both the Spanish and Argentine press, Liverpool are set to sign Valencia’s talented young midfielder Ever Banega for a fee of £8.5m as Rafa Benitez begins his rebuilding process at Anfield. The young Argentinean has been a long-term target of Benitez but also David Moyes who attempted to sign the 21-year-old on loan last summer. However, it would seem that Liverpool rather than Everton have won the race for his signature.

Last summer Everton attended a home office meeting in London to push through the necessary paperwork to seal a late transfer window move but the deal could not be agreed. The Toffees loss could be Liverpool’s gain as he could be a very exciting signing for the club and fill the role that was vacated by Xabi Alonso’s exit last summer.

The 21-year-old joined Valencia in January 2008 but after just 47 League appearances for the club (40 starts) the Spanish side are likely to offload the youngster. Valencia’s financial problems are well documented but they are set to take a loss on a player signed for £14m. Ironically, Banega has had his best season with the club after making 35 league appearances (33 starts which is a major breakthrough considering in his first season he only started seven league matches and then was loaned out to Atletico Madrid. However, despite a tough start to his time in Europe, Banega has shown enough talent to impress Rafa Benitez who is keen to bring him to Liverpool to join fellow Argentines Javier Mascherano, Maxi Rodriguez and Emiliano Insua.

He has a bit  of a reputation as a hot head, but as he's an Argie I guess it comes with the territory. He should be able to cope with the physical side.
He's one of those that you would take a bit of a gamble on. Not sure that he's proved himself quite enough yet at Valencia, but if he did, a bit like Javi Martinez, he'd then end up out of our price range.

We're back in the territory of taking gambles on players that cost not exactly insignificant amounts (at least for us) that if they work will be viewed as a bargain, if they don't it's a big chunk of wonga down the pan for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
Just wondering, what would you guys think of signing Raul on a free?

Just saw a report that he is weighing up his future at Real. I know we have been linked previously. His experience alone would worth a punt. Hes not the same player he once was but a model pro and with our transfer budget id snap him up. He could be our equivalent to when United signed Teddy Sheringham at 33.

I guess it depends on his wage demands, however on the plus side, it might persuade Torres to stay and as Raul wouldn't be playing all the time it would give the opportunity for Pacheco to get some games. He'd also be a great example for Pacheco to learn from. Master and apprentice sharing the duties.

That would probably mean the need to cash in on Aquilani (quick before the end of June then he would stand us at only an €8M outlay). I don't see him being able to cope in a central midfield position in the league and we simply can't afford to keep him on the bench (nice though it would be).
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 11:06:39 PM
Would be good to get him because he's better than ngog but his wages might be very excessive

You'd have to hope that hes past looking for major money and the attraction of the PL might see him accept a realistic wage.

Unfortunately i cant see it happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 11:10:49 PM
He has a bit  of a reputation as a hot head, but as he's an Argie I guess it comes with the territory. He should be able to cope with the physical side.
He's one of those that you would take a bit of a gamble on. Not sure that he's proved himself quite enough yet at Valencia, but if he did, a bit like Javi Martinez, he'd then end up out of our price range.

We're back in the territory of taking gambles on players that cost not exactly insignificant amounts (at least for us) that if they work will be viewed as a bargain, if they don't it's a big chunk of wonga down the pan for us.

I suppose if he is one of the managers top targets you would have to hope we can snare him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 01, 2010, 11:19:55 PM
I suppose if he is one of the managers top targets you would have to hope we can snare him.

It's maybe a signal of Masch's intentions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 11:23:48 PM
I guess it depends on his wage demands, however on the plus side, it might persuade Torres to stay and as Raul wouldn't be playing all the time it would give the opportunity for Pacheco to get some games. He'd also be a great example for Pacheco to learn from. Master and apprentice sharing the duties.

That would probably mean the need to cash in on Aquilani (quick before the end of June then he would stand us at only an €8M outlay). I don't see him being able to cope in a central midfield position in the league and we simply can't afford to keep him on the bench (nice though it would be).

I think a signing like Raul would be a huge lift for the club and as you point out Tes there would be a bit of master and apprentice thing going on.

What would really set the summer transfers alight would be to snare Joe Cole too.

If you were selling Riera, Babel and a few more maybe selling Aquillani wouldnt be necessary.

After Raul and Cole,  Banega and a defender would leave me very pleased with the summers business.

Unfortunately whether we have money or not we tend to shop late in the summer or we tend to let everyone else who our targets are before missing out on them
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 01, 2010, 11:25:30 PM
It's maybe a signal of Masch's intentions.

True. I think Masch's future depends on Fabregas though and thats a situation that doesnt look to like it will be resolved this side of the world cup.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 02, 2010, 11:14:51 AM
David Maddock in the Daily Mirror today is claiming Benitez has been told that there will be no money for him to spend this summer by the Anfield board.

He wont even be allowed to spend whats made through player sales.

Admittedly its the Daily Mirror so the validity of the story is questionable.

However if there is any truth to it then question marks over the likes of CP's intentions / motives have to be raised. This is something Jim has touched on before in his articles on the .com site.

Would the board be willing to put the need to strengthen the team in jeopardy for the sake of undermining Rafa in the hope that he will leave. Thats not putting the Club first   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 02, 2010, 11:17:09 AM
What would really set the summer transfers alight would be to snare Joe Cole too.

Without question he is exactly the sort of player we need, however I would be very concerned about his wage demands (we need to get the payroll back under the £100M a year mark as we simply can't afford such levels with our income/outgoings ratio as bad as is it is) and there's also a huge question mark over his injury history.
We simply can't afford to have players that can't be used due to long or frequent periods of injury. It makes no sense given our current financial plight to be paying out for players we can't use and in terms of squad depth we can't carry players like that, neither can we add to the squad depth in terms of numbers, again due to finances. There are probably four or five of the reserves we could rely on but we don't want to be using up places in the 25 man squad (under the new rules) who are over 21 if we're not likely to get a near on full season's usage from them.


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If you were selling Riera, Babel and a few more maybe selling Aquillani wouldnt be necessary.

We certainly  need to raise enough for a left back and top quality wide left player. We'll probably need two wide left players if Babel, Riera and Benni all leave. Although Jovanovic 'can' play wide left, as he's mainly a striker he'll probably get plenty of time in that position, especially with Torres coming off a World Cup. His last two seasons of injury problems have both followed Summer tournaments, Euros and Confederations Cup. If Raul were to be signed, along with Pacheco and Lucas, who is better played further forward, Aquilani could be cashed in on, especially as I can't see him being used in a deeper midfield position as I don't think he can deal with the physicality of the league. Again the injury consideration has to come into play also.


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Unfortunately whether we have money or not we tend to shop late in the summer or we tend to let everyone else who our targets are before missing out on them

Juan, I think that's entirely down to transfer cash flow, or rather lack of it. We can't afford to make our moves early, committing to further transfer payments and wages before getting players shipped out first. If we were to do our buying early and then not be able to sell certain players, we'd be expanding the payroll and taking on more in transfer payments than we could safely manage.
If we had an owner who would be prepared to put the money up up front and then be paid back when sales are made, or cover the transfer installments and wages of intended sales or the new players until sales are made and the money reimbursed, then we could move early, as we don't, we can't. Hamstrung every which way by the useless, know nothing turds that own us.

As for letting other teams know our targets, that tends to come more from the media, or the selling team trying to kick start an auction and again due to cash flow we can't move quick enough and get the deal done at the right price for both clubs before word gets out. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 02, 2010, 11:59:56 AM
David Maddock in the Daily Mirror today is claiming Benitez has been told that there will be no money for him to spend this summer by the Anfield board.

He wont even be allowed to spend whats made through player sales.

Admittedly its the Daily Mirror so the validity of the story is questionable.

However if there is any truth to it then question marks over the likes of CP's intentions / motives have to be raised. This is something Jim has touched on before in his articles on the .com site.

Would the board be willing to put the need to strengthen the team in jeopardy for the sake of undermining Rafa in the hope that he will leave. Thats not putting the Club first   

IF there's any truth to it, then it's utter madness. If they don't want Benitez spending the money then they have to sack him. Hicks and Gillettt gave him the contract with whatever the terms are, therefore they should pay him off, not hamstring the club further. If they won't or can't sack him, he has to be given every penny raised through sales, either way we need changes to the squad. We can't go into a new season with a further weakened squad and a manager the board don't trust.
From the point of view of selling the club, Hicks and Gillett need to make it attractive to buyers. Weakening the team and putting further distance between us and the top teams in the league does not make us attractive.
Any new owner probably needs to build the stadium the two oinks have failed to do, that's a huge enough commitment anyway without looking to have to commit more funding to rebuild the team as a result of the neglect these two are now showing towards it.
Even if they intend to hang on and the sale is just a charade, they've no chance of increasing revenues off the pitch if the team are struggling.
As usual Hicks has overleveraged and adversely affected the ability of the 'business' to function and have the money to invest in the area of the business that needs strengthening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 02, 2010, 02:46:28 PM
who knows, maybe RBS is calling the shots re size of transfer budget.

but for the yanks, this will further ruin their asset.

without a transfer budget, Liverpool will never compete in the champions league again.....and most likely will at best be a top 8 club.

and if I were Rafa, I'd have to leave (even if I did lose all the money by breaking my contract).

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on June 02, 2010, 06:45:32 PM
I just read that Benni is being used in a swap for Santa Cruz !!! Now that has to be untrue......................doesn't it ???

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on June 02, 2010, 06:47:13 PM

and if I were Rafa, I'd have to leave (even if I did lose all the money by breaking my contract).


Rafa was lied to when he signed the contract...just as the yankee pondlife have lied all through their tenure...

what amazes me is that any contract with them is effectively worth nowt due to there being no clauses to actually make them follow through on these supposed promises (aka lies)...

how is this legal? Surely there must be some due process that they personally can be sued?

Maybe they're above the law?

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 02, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Rafa was lied to when he signed the contract...just as the yankee pondlife have lied all through their tenure...

what amazes me is that any contract with them is effectively worth nowt due to there being no clauses to actually make them follow through on these supposed promises (aka lies)...

how is this legal? Surely there must be some due process that they personally can be sued?

Maybe they're above the law?

Unless there were specific amounts stated in the contract then in reality no breach has been made. He can be given control of the transfer budget etc but if the budget he is given is only £5, then a fiver is all he has to control. It is very difficult to prove at an employment tribuneral that verbal promises were made and broken.
The toxics work week to week, month to month due to the lack of medium to long term credit facilities with RBS. From the accounts it would 'appear' that the last refinance was only until March this year. Whether there was another short term arrangement made to July, who knows. RBS gave Broughton and the Premier League 'non-binding assurances' as to us having the finances to complete our fixtures this coming season but that hardly seems like a refinancing agreement over a determinate period. It seems more a case that RBS simply haven't asked for full or part repayment of the £237M or whatever it currently is outstanding as long as they are satisfied the club is up for sale and as the capital remains outstanding a higher than normal interest rate is probably being charged whilst ever it remains unpaid. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 02, 2010, 10:21:51 PM
IF there's any truth to it, then it's utter madness. If they don't want Benitez spending the money then they have to sack him. Hicks and Gillettt gave him the contract with whatever the terms are, therefore they should pay him off, not hamstring the club further. If they won't or can't sack him, he has to be given every penny raised through sales, either way we need changes to the squad. We can't go into a new season with a further weakened squad and a manager the board don't trust.
From the point of view of selling the club, Hicks and Gillett need to make it attractive to buyers. Weakening the team and putting further distance between us and the top teams in the league does not make us attractive.
Any new owner probably needs to build the stadium the two oinks have failed to do, that's a huge enough commitment anyway without looking to have to commit more funding to rebuild the team as a result of the neglect these two are now showing towards it.
Even if they intend to hang on and the sale is just a charade, they've no chance of increasing revenues off the pitch if the team are struggling.
As usual Hicks has overleveraged and adversely affected the ability of the 'business' to function and have the money to invest in the area of the business that needs strengthening.

Its all making sense now Tes.

If Rafa goes the Summer Transfer Window thread will take a new direction. God only knows what that will mean for the likes of Riera, Benny etc.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 02, 2010, 11:02:42 PM
I hope Reira will still be thrown head first through the Summer transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 02, 2010, 11:38:35 PM
Rafa was lied to when he signed the contract...just as the yankee pondlife have lied all through their tenure...

what amazes me is that any contract with them is effectively worth nowt due to there being no clauses to actually make them follow through on these supposed promises (aka lies)...

how is this legal? Surely there must be some due process that they personally can be sued?

to be honest, Barticus, I don't think Rafa wanted a new extended contract, to merely have such verbal promises (re transfer budget) in place.

No, just like the bride who gets married, she's ow legally in the money.  Rafa's extension gave him that guaranteed legal bounty too.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 03, 2010, 09:27:40 AM
to be honest, Barticus, I don't think Rafa wanted a new extended contract, to merely have such verbal promises (re transfer budget) in place.

No, just like the bride who gets married, she's ow legally in the money.  Rafa's extension gave him that guaranteed legal bounty too.   

Dude, I'm not convinced about this £16M pay off. There will obviously be some sort of agreed termination package, afterall it's only normal people who get sacked without reward.
I can't see a set figure being put in his contract, nor can I see the remainder of his contract being paid up in full. Why would any employer agree to pay up a fixed term contract on termination, especially as you also have to pay the replacement for that same period of time.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 03, 2010, 03:50:12 PM
Dude, I'm not convinced about this £16M pay off. There will obviously be some sort of agreed termination package, afterall it's only normal people who get sacked without reward.
I can't see a set figure being put in his contract, nor can I see the remainder of his contract being paid up in full. Why would any employer agree to pay up a fixed term contract on termination, especially as you also have to pay the replacement for that same period of time.

agreed, Tes.

Surely, with Rafa going to a new job immediately, at a similar wage level, it would be entirely unreasonable to expect him to *also* simultaneously pick up what he would have earned at anfield, during the same period.



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2010, 11:33:39 PM
Just wondering, what would you guys think of signing Raul on a free?

Just saw a report that he is weighing up his future at Real. I know we have been linked previously. His experience alone would worth a punt. Hes not the same player he once was but a model pro and with our transfer budget id snap him up. He could be our equivalent to when United signed Teddy Sheringham at 33.

Juan, I would guess the odds on Raul have lengthened somewhat now, and the odds on Danny Murphy making a return could be shortening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 05, 2010, 11:39:06 PM
Juan, I would guess the odds on Raul have lengthened somewhat now, and the odds on Danny Murphy making a return could be shortening.

Spud. He was probably one of the players Rafa should have kept. He was certainly better than some of the players he bought.

Your right though Raul is definitely not going to arrive now.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 05, 2010, 11:45:10 PM
Spud. He was probably one of the players Rafa should have kept. He was certainly better than some of the players he bought.

Your right though Raul is definitely not going to arrive now.

Totally agree, Juan. Danny should have been kept a lot longer than he was. Some of Rafa's early decisions reminded me a bit of when Souness came in. In some cases the decks were swept with too much haste.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 07, 2010, 10:56:38 PM
Birmingham rekindle interest in Ryan Babel as Alex McLeish gets in the race for Hamilton youngster James McArthur

By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 9:16 PM on 7th June 2010



Birmingham City have entered the race to sign in-demand Hamilton midfielder James McArthur and are to revive their interest in Liverpool's Ryan Babel.

McArthur is also a target for Wigan Athletic, Leeds United, Cardiff City and Rangers.

Wigan had been the favourites to sign the 22-year-old having signed his former Hamilton teammate James McCarthy last summer.

But his agent Willie McKay said: 'There are a few clubs who have made their interest known to Hamilton, and we're waiting to see what happens next.'

Birmingham manager Alex McLeish is also ready to rekindle an £8m move for Liverpool's Ryan Babel and will make a check on his other striker target South African Katlego Mphela of Mamelodi Sundowns at the World Cup.

The 25-year-old is raw but was top scorer in the country last season with 17 goals. Palermo striker Fabrizio Miccoli, however, is McLeish's main target.

Birmingham have already had an initial approach for Miccoli rejected and they hope to tempt Palermo into selling the 30-year-old by offering £4m.

Babel would prefer to take stock of Liverpool's managerial change before opting to leave Anfield although a good offer could be hard for cash-strapped Liverpool to resist.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1284761/Birmingham-rekindle-Ryan-Babel-Alex-McLeish-gets-race-Hamilton-youngster-James-McArthur.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1284761/Birmingham-rekindle-Ryan-Babel-Alex-McLeish-gets-race-Hamilton-youngster-James-McArthur.html?ITO=1490)

Turn down £9M in January, accept £8M in June. You just know it's going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 09, 2010, 11:55:48 AM
Fiorentina ready to end Emiliano Insua's Liverpool hell with £3.5m bid to prise Argentine left-back

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 2:01 AM on 9th June 2010


Fiorentina are weighing up a £3.5million bid for Liverpool left-back Emiliano Insua.

The 21-year-old has been at Liverpool since 2007 and impressed when he first broke into the side but has suffered from poor form this year.

Liverpool have released Fabio Aurelio but are keen to find a new left-back once a new manager is in place.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285054/Fiorentina-want-3-5m-Liverpool-left-Emiliano-Insua.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285054/Fiorentina-want-3-5m-Liverpool-left-Emiliano-Insua.html)


Pathetic headline, but for that price I'd let him go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 09, 2010, 12:01:48 PM
Fiorentina ready to end Emiliano Insua's Liverpool hell with £3.5m bid to prise Argentine left-back

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 2:01 AM on 9th June 2010


Fiorentina are weighing up a £3.5million bid for Liverpool left-back Emiliano Insua.

The 21-year-old has been at Liverpool since 2007 and impressed when he first broke into the side but has suffered from poor form this year.

Liverpool have released Fabio Aurelio but are keen to find a new left-back once a new manager is in place.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285054/Fiorentina-want-3-5m-Liverpool-left-Emiliano-Insua.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285054/Fiorentina-want-3-5m-Liverpool-left-Emiliano-Insua.html)


Pathetic headline, but for that price I'd let him go.

Awful headline alright.

£3.5 mil for a 21 year old that broke in to the Argentinian squad in the last year.

I wouldn't be accepting a penny under 5 or 6 million.

I was very disappointed with Insua this year though. I had expected more from him and he seemed to be slower than I thought he was.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 09, 2010, 12:11:06 PM
Javier Mascherano 'tops Rafael Benitez's wish-list at Inter Milan'


Metro Sport - 9th June, 2010



Liverpool face a battle keep hold of a third top player this summer, following reports that Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard are both unsettled, with Rafael Benitez set to raid his old club and take Javier Mascherano to Inter Milan.

Torres and Gerrard have both stated they will not consider their club futures until after this summer's World Cup.

But Benitez, who will take over as Inter's new boss this week, is keen to act quickly to build a squad in his image in a bid to retain the Serie A, Coppa Italia and Champions League titles won by Jose Mourinho last season.

The Argentinean was lured to Anfield from West Ham by Benitez in 2007.

And although the Merseysiders are said to be keen to hold onto the star with a contract offer approaching £100,000 a week, Benitez has been promised significant transfer funds to construct his squad and could look to guzzump his former employers.

Liverpool are currently in limbo as they look to appoint a new manager this summer following Benitez's exit.

The upheaval means several players are likely to be unsettled over the next few weeks, while some will see their futures away from Anfield.

It remains unclear whether Mascherano sees a future with the Reds after Benitez - especially as he enjoyed a close relationship with the former Valencia coach and is thought to be keen to test himself in another European league before he retires.



http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/830041-javier-mascherano-tops-rafael-benitezs-wish-list-at-inter-milan (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/830041-javier-mascherano-tops-rafael-benitezs-wish-list-at-inter-milan)


If we get £30M+ for him and the new manager gets to keep it, then let him go.

Try and entice Spurs with a bid for Palacios, if not get Momo back, or do a swap with Inter for Cambiasso.

Or maybe a bid for Mark Noble of West Ham who I feel would flourish if surrounded by better players.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 09, 2010, 12:15:56 PM
Awful headline alright.

£3.5 mil for a 21 year old that broke in to the Argentinian squad in the last year.

I wouldn't be accepting a penny under 5 or 6 million.

I was very disappointed with Insua this year though. I had expected more from him and he seemed to be slower than I thought he was.

Problem is, apart from other Premier League teams, who I don't think would be interested and the big two in Spain, most other clubs now don't have the finances to offer huge sums.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 09, 2010, 12:55:13 PM
Daily Mail : Rafa Benitez returns to Liverpool with £33m offer for Dirk Kuyt and Javier Mascherano

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285265/Rafa-Benitez-returns-Liverpool-33m-offer-Dirk-Kuyt-Javier-Mascherano.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285265/Rafa-Benitez-returns-Liverpool-33m-offer-Dirk-Kuyt-Javier-Mascherano.html?ITO=1490)

Click Liverpool: Inter Milan planning to sign Liverpool FC's Glen Johnson

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129419-inter-milan-planning-to-sign-liverpool-fcs-glen-johnson.html (http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129419-inter-milan-planning-to-sign-liverpool-fcs-glen-johnson.html)


If we could get our money back on Johnson I would and put some of it towards City's Nedum Onuoha, who with the right coaching could become a better all round player, certainly better defensively than Johnson and also counts as 'homegrown'.

We're going to see a rash of stories linking a lot of our players with Inter.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 09, 2010, 01:25:59 PM
Daily Mail : Rafa Benitez returns to Liverpool with £33m offer for Dirk Kuyt and Javier Mascherano

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285265/Rafa-Benitez-returns-Liverpool-33m-offer-Dirk-Kuyt-Javier-Mascherano.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285265/Rafa-Benitez-returns-Liverpool-33m-offer-Dirk-Kuyt-Javier-Mascherano.html?ITO=1490)

Click Liverpool: Inter Milan planning to sign Liverpool FC's Glen Johnson

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129419-inter-milan-planning-to-sign-liverpool-fcs-glen-johnson.html (http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129419-inter-milan-planning-to-sign-liverpool-fcs-glen-johnson.html)


If we could get our money back on Johnson I would and put some of it towards City's Nedum Onuoha, who with the right coaching could become a better all round player, certainly better defensively than Johnson and also counts as 'homegrown'.

We're going to see a rash of stories linking a lot of our players with Inter.

He would have to pay 33 million for Masch alone. Now 43 million and i would take it for both.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 09, 2010, 03:02:28 PM
it would be great if we could recoup our money on Johnston.

dirk kuyt is one of my first names on the teamsheet each week, so no way should h be allowed to leave.

monster has shown zero respect (typical), and has not progressed as much as I'd have liked these past 18 months or so (he is a decent destroyer, but that's about it - very little positive play).  I don't wanna necessarily lose him, but for 40 million, I'd snap someone's hand off.



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on June 09, 2010, 06:06:05 PM
If it was up to you guys Gerrard, Torres, Kuyt, Johnson, Skertal, Insua, Carra, Masch would all be sold? Is there any point renewing season tickets for next year?

Completely agree with Juan with regards to Insua. He'll be a quality player with experiance under his belt. Selling for 3mill would be a crime. Tes you werent in charge of the deal that saw Arbeloa leave for £2million were you?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 09, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Tes you werent in charge of the deal that saw Arbeloa leave for £2million were you?


No, if it had been up to me I'd have sold him the year before when he refused to sign a new contract and made it clear he wanted to return to Spain.

I don't see Insua as being suited to the Premier League and with the exception of Real/Barca in Spain and maybe Juve and Inter in Italy, there's not much money about. Maybe Rafa will offer us a good price. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on June 14, 2010, 04:19:39 PM
This could be a good bit of business... as usual not for us though.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,14018_6204532,00.html

Quaresma needs a new start and at that price would be worth a gamble. If we can find one or two deals like this it would be nice.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 14, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
This could be a good bit of business... as usual not for us though.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,14018_6204532,00.html

Quaresma needs a new start and at that price would be worth a gamble. If we can find one or two deals like this it would be nice.

Jas

Jas, I'd rather we steered clear of Quaresma. Terrible attitude, undoubted talent but terrible application and use (or rather waste) of his talent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on June 14, 2010, 07:38:03 PM
It is true he has an attitude but if we could off load someone like Babel it may be worth a gamble. IF we bring anyone in I can't see what kind of players we could get that would offer us something new, gambles may be our best bet as long as it's not at the expense of reliable steady players.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 15, 2010, 05:28:00 AM
Jas, there's gambles, then there's Quaresma.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 15, 2010, 05:36:00 AM
Sorry, Jas:


Quaresma heads to Besiktas

Last updated: 14th June 2010


Inter Milan winger Ricardo Quaresma has ended his disappointing stint in Italy by joining Turkish outfit Besiktas.

Quaresma was a big-money recruit from Porto two years ago, but the 26-year-old struggled to make an impact under Jose Mourinho.

He made just 32 appearances during two seasons with the European champions, scoring only once for the Nerazzurri.

The Portugal international also spent the second half of the 2008/09 season on loan at Chelsea, but again struggled to impress as he featured just four times in the Premier League.

His lack of action for Inter during the past campaign scuppered any chance of Quaresma making Portugal's World Cup squad and he has now accepted a move to Turkey.

Besiktas, who have also been linked with a move for Brazilian attacker Robinho, have paid around £6million to sign Quaresma, who had three years remaining on his Inter contract.

Quaresma also becomes new Besiktas coach Bernd Schuster's first signing since he took charge of the club last week.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11860_6204587,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11860_6204587,00.html)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 15, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
Aside from not wanting to let Torres go in the interest of integrity and conflict of interest I think we should not be even willing to talk to Chelsea while Broughton is at the club. And that goes for Benayoun too.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=796795&sec=transfers&cc=5739

Chelsea make £50 million bid for Torres

By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent

June 15, 2010

Chelsea are waiting to hear back from Liverpool having lodged a £50 million bid for Fernando Torres, according to a transfer insider.

Fernando Torres

Fernando Torres: Subject of bidding war

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has given the green light to what would be the biggest domestic transfer in Premier League history, but will have to out bid Manchester City.

An insider close to the negotiations told Soccernet: "There have been two verbal offers for Torres, Chelsea are willing to pay £50 million, but Manchester City offered verbally £25 million more!

"Liverpool would naturally want the bigger sum, but Torres as made it perfectly clear that he won't be joining Manchester City, even though City would go as high as £200,000-a-week wages.

"Even so Chelsea would pay Torres £140,000-a-week and when you're at that level, the important thing for the player is to go to a club with Champions League football and the chance of winning the major honours.

Liverpool, who are still to appoint a new manager after parting company with Rafael Benitez last month, have not formally acknowledged Chelsea's approach.

The blues are also in the hunt to sign Yossi Benayoun from the Anfield club and Soccernet's source expects both players to be at Stamford Bridge next season.

"If you are asking my opinion both Torres and Benayoun will go to Chelsea, the Benayoun deal is very close to completion, but Torres won't be sorted out now until after the World Cup Finals."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 15, 2010, 01:26:36 PM
And even though its not relevant I believe Torres is worth more like 100 million in this transfer age.

If Broughton or Purslow even contemplates Chelseas offer they will be decalring war.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 15, 2010, 01:52:12 PM
sounds like several badge-kissing rats are about to leave the sinking ship.

I suppose one up-side is that such sales will make the yanks position totally untenable.  They will, I imagine, find it physically impossible to ever watch another game.


Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on June 15, 2010, 03:18:21 PM
Torres £50mill
Gerrard £25-30mill
Mascherano £25mill

Looks like the yanks have secured the 100 mill investment they were looking for. If they refinance with player sales monies they dont have to sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm seriously considering boycotting all games next season. I'm no longer willing to line the yanks pockets. With todays LFC PLC there is no longer any resemblence of the old club i've grown up loving and supporting. LFC R.I.P
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 15, 2010, 05:05:32 PM
Torres £50mill
Gerrard £25-30mill
Mascherano £25mill

Looks like the yanks have secured the 100 mill investment they were looking for. If they refinance with player sales monies they dont have to sell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm seriously considering boycotting all games next season. I'm no longer willing to line the yanks pockets. With todays LFC PLC there is no longer any resemblence of the old club i've grown up loving and supporting. LFC R.I.P

Wow Kopite the fact you would even consider to boycott games is an indictment of just how bad things are getting.

Its obviously harder on fans who are from Liverpool to decide not to go to games than someone like myself who lives further afield and only gets to games every now and then.

I know recently you said that you would doubt it very much that you would boycott and that was only the end of the season so I think the fact you would even consider changing your mind now shows how much worse things have become even since our last few games of the season.

What I dont understand is why we keep hearing that the club dont need a managerial appointment for a while yet as preseason only begins in July. That in itself is a worrying way to look at our preparation for next season because surely the sooner we get someone appointed the longer it gives the new manager time to sort out some of the mess that the team is in.

I really am starting to suspect that the board want any player sales done before a new manager can come in and say he doesn't want to sell a particular player.

I'm beginning to think that the fire sale the board claimed wouldn't happen is around the corner.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 16, 2010, 11:34:32 PM
Europa League third round qualifier 1st leg 29th July. I guess there's no rush then. Afterall, it's not like the new manager will need time to decide who to buy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on June 16, 2010, 11:43:52 PM
Europa League third round qualifier 1st leg 29th July. I guess there's no rush then. Afterall, it's not like the new manager will need time to decide who to buy.

I actually cant take the sad state at the club much more. Hicks, Gillett and the board have destroyed the experience of supporting Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 17, 2010, 12:43:45 PM
I actually cant take the sad state at the club much more. Hicks, Gillett and the board have destroyed the experience of supporting Liverpool.

Juan, they are a temporary blip in our proud history. They may be able to take our money and sell our players. That as fans we have no control over, but you mustn't let them take your spirit and love of the club. That is entirely in your control.
We are the club, the fans and players like Carra and Pepe. They are not. They're just a stain that unfortunately is associated with the club presently. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 17, 2010, 01:57:04 PM
They may be able to take our money and sell our players.

(http://kalebpoth.theworldrace.org/blogphotos/theworldrace/kalebpoth/Braveheart_1217185289_1995.jpg)



cue makeup for Tes.



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 17, 2010, 06:27:35 PM
cue makeup for Tes.

Only at weekends............. ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 18, 2010, 10:24:51 PM
Javier Mascherano's agent claims Liverpool want to offload Argentine to Inter Milan

Last updated at 7:07 PM on 18th June 2010


Javier Mascherano's agent says Liverpool want to sell the midfielder to Inter Milan.

The Argentina captain is set to follow former manager Rafa Benitez with preliminary talks already arranged but the Anfield club may dispute they are willing sellers.

The 25-year-old is still a crowd favourite at Anfield even though he has put off contract talks but Liverpool need to raise cash to provide their new manager with any chance of competing in the transfer window - and persuading other stars to stay.

Liverpool would want close to £30m for Mascherano and his agent Marco Piccioli said: 'Look, I can tell you that there is a desire from Liverpool to negotiate the player’s sale and the player is ready to join Inter and work with Benitez again.

'It’s true that I have spoken to Inter’s Marco Branca over the phone and we have agreed to meet up to discuss the situation.'

Piccioli's comments come as Real Madrid take stock of their bid for Steven Gerrard.

Real believe he is over priced at £25m and are considering switching attentions to Roma's Daniele de Rossi. However, scouts still came back with impressive reports on Gerrard following his performance for England last week.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1287744/Javier-Mascheranos-agent-claims-Liverpool-want-offload-Argentine-Inter-Milan.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1287744/Javier-Mascheranos-agent-claims-Liverpool-want-offload-Argentine-Inter-Milan.html?ITO=1490)

Meanwhile, Masch is so desperate to stay he's learning Italian.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 19, 2010, 03:33:52 PM
the agent is preparing the liverpool fans for the switch.

monster goes, benni goes.

and captain marvel and torres steadfastly refusing to discuss their liverpool futures all summer, is a clear sign that they are probably on the way out too.

rats leaving a sinking ship.

maybe riera wasn't so far off, in his analysis of the club, way back at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 19, 2010, 10:40:11 PM
maybe riera wasn't so far off, in his analysis of the club, way back at the start of the year.

Dude, I wouldn't give Riera any credit. It was the rant of a bitter, feeble minded player, having a go at a manager, who surprise surprise, wasn't selecting him.

I feel for players like Gerrard and Torres who have seen their chance of being part of the history of a club with such an illustrious history destroyed by a pair of uber c@nts.

Masch on the other hand won't understand the meaning of loyalty any better in Italian than he does in English.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 21, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
Purslow - Insua wants to stay

By Simone Bargellini   Last updated: 21st June 2010



Liverpool general director Christian Purslow has revealed that Emiliano Insua does not want to leave the club, despite speculation over his future.

The 21-year-old left-back has not had the best of times since moving to Anfield in 2007, and has an uncertain future at the club now that Rafa Benitez has left.

A new Reds manager has yet to be unveiled, and Purslow insists that any discussions on Insua's future will have to wait.

"At this moment the only objective of the club is to find a new coach and then evaluate the whole roster of players with him," he told calciomercato.com.

"I cannot confirm the interest of Fiorentina for Insua, even if in Italy he is highly regarded, for example at Lazio who last season often came to view him in person.

"I don't think the player wants to leave Liverpool. When and where he'll do this request, regardless of the difficulties of the club, we'll talk.

"I exclude at the moment that everything can be resolved within a few days."


Insua, an Argentina international, moved to Liverpool from Boca Juniors but has not set the Premier League alight since his transfer.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_6218740,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_6218740,00.html)

Either this is a translation by a non English speaking Sky employee (Sky have been babelfished) or Pursestrings has been at the sherry - "When and where he'll do this request, regardless of the difficulties of the club, we'll talk.

I exclude at the moment that everything can be resolved within a few days
" - what does that even mean?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on June 23, 2010, 12:07:40 AM
Here we go.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6223880,00.html

our one signing to be is looking else where...

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 23, 2010, 12:10:26 AM
Milan Jovanovic may pull out of Liverpool move to join Internazionale

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 22 June 2010 21.48 BST



Milan Jovanovic has revealed he could pull out of his move to Liverpool.

The Serbia striker, whose contract at Standard Liège came to an end this summer, signed a pre-contract agreement with Liverpool in February.

However, speculation has been rife that the former Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez, now at Internazionale, would attempt to ambush the deal, and Jovanovic has hinted he could decide to follow Benítez to the Milanese club.

"There is an agreement signed with Liverpool, but if either party wants to end it, it's not impossible," said the 29-year-old in quotes reported on the Italian website Tuttomercatoweb.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/22/milan-jovanovic-liverpool-internazionale (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/22/milan-jovanovic-liverpool-internazionale)

Priceless. If true, this rat hasn't even got on the sinking ship before he's decided to leave.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 23, 2010, 12:13:39 AM
Here we go.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6223880,00.html

our one signing to be is looking else where...

Jas

Jas, you just beat me to it. It's all over everywhere now. He's one I won't shed tears over. And yet still our management don't see the problem with us having no manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on June 23, 2010, 12:17:49 AM
I just can't believe they haven't at least put a temp manager in just so business can be done. I'm really confused by their behaviour.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 23, 2010, 12:29:37 AM
I just can't believe they haven't at least put a temp manager in just so business can be done. I'm really confused by their behaviour.

Jas

Jas, it's the Liverpool Way circa 2010. Kenny should have been given an executive role in charge of all footballing decisions. If he sees fit to sell or buy, then he does so. The new manager/coach then comes in and works with what is there. At least the squad could have been partially re-shaped. As it is there'll be no time to replace the departures unless the new manager has an encyclopaedic knowledge with which to dive straight in and start re-shaping the squad. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 24, 2010, 08:01:45 PM
I just can't believe they haven't at least put a temp manager in just so business can be done. I'm really confused by their behaviour.

Jas

I suspect as well as saving a few pounds in salary, that they key reason is, they want to take one or two major transfer decisions BEFORE the new boss gets installed.....I'm thinking of Monster and Torres.....maybe gerrard too.
 
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 24, 2010, 08:50:15 PM

I suspect as well as saving a few pounds in salary, that they key reason is, they want to take one or two major transfer decisions BEFORE the new boss gets installed.....I'm thinking of Monster and Torres.....maybe gerrard too.
 
 

They must be hating the damn World Cup, having to wait even longer to sort things out. Still, they'll use it as an excuse. "By the time they returned from the World Cup and they all informed us that they wished to leave, there just wasn't the time to sort out replacements". At least that would give us a huge transfer budget in January or next Summer. Then again, probably not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 24, 2010, 09:46:22 PM
They must be hating the damn World Cup, having to wait even longer to sort things out. Still, they'll use it as an excuse. "By the time they returned from the World Cup and they all informed us that they wished to leave, there just wasn't the time to sort out replacements". At least that would give us a huge transfer budget in January or next Summer. Then again, probably not.

yes Tes.....saving money, with no time for new guys to come in.
 
but when we finish 8th to 10th next season, the yanks and banks, are gonna have a real good chance to refocus. 
 
800 million  ;D      yeah right.....much closer to 80 million of worth.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
£5M ANFIELD OFFER FOR BOUGHERRA

Saturday June 26,2010  By Iain Macfarlane




LIVERPOOL have agreed to splash out £5million on Rangers stopper Madjid Bougherra.

German aces Hamburg will today submit a written offer of around £4.8m for the in-demand Algerian defender.

Now Bougherra’s final destination will hinge on crunch talks between the player and Rangers chief executive Martin Bain in the days ahead.

Express Sport has learned an agreement in principle has been struck between Bougherra’s agents and the Anfield club. The player’s representatives – acting with the full knowledge of Gers powerbroker Bain – met with a top firm of lawyers acting on behalf of Liverpool in London on Tuesday.

As a result of that meeting, the Premiership giants gave a written undertaking to pay a fee of £5m and meet the 27-year-old’s wage demands.

On Wednesday, Cologne-based agent Andreas Mueller met with Hamburg president Bernd Hoffmann to discuss a rival bid from the German outfit. Hoffman discussed the plan with his fellow board of directors last night and a formal offer is expected to be presented to the Bougherra delegation today.

Agent Mueller confirmed: “I spoke with Martin Bain at Rangers to make sure that everything was being done with their knowledge.

“For us it was important that Rangers were aware of talks and informed every step of the way. Rangers have said that they are interested in doing business if the figures are right.

“It was explained by Rangers that a fee in the region of £5.5m would be an acceptable level for them to do business and we have acted on this information.

“My company have since had a meeting with lawyers working for Liverpool and we have a document confirming they are willing to pay £5m for Bougherra.

“Hamburg are prepared to offer 5.5m euros for the player and a written offer should be with us over the weekend.
“Madjid was first of all interested in the German option, but Liverpool is a very strong club.”

Rangers have reluctantly agreed to sell Bougherra because of the profit margin and also the fact that Davie Weir, above, is expected to pen a new deal.

The sale of Bougherra might also allow Rangers to snub bids for kid defender Danny Wilson.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/183232/-5m-Anfield-offer-for-Bougherra (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/183232/-5m-Anfield-offer-for-Bougherra)

 :'(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2010, 11:08:44 PM
Liverpool snub Rafa Benitez over £25m Javier Mascherano with Barcelona preparing to pounce

By Joe Bernstein
Last updated at 10:11 PM on 26th June 2010



Liverpool plan to take revenge on Rafa Benitez by selling Argentina captain Javier Mascherano to Barcelona instead of Inter Milan, their former boss’s new club.

On the day Liverpool were linked with French World Cup-winning captain Didier Deschamps to fill the managerial vacancy for which Fulham boss Roy Hodgson is still favourite, Barcelona emerged as the club most likely to sign Mascherano for £25million.

The Spanish champions will fund the deal by selling Yaya Toure to Manchester City for £25m.

The news will be received badly by Benitez, who signed Mascherano for Liverpool in 2008. He wanted the player at the San Siro but will instead pay for falling out with the Liverpool hierarchy before he left for Italy.

Mascherano, who has wanted to move for 12 months, refused to sign a new contract and continued off-field unrest will not persuade him to change his mind.

Liverpool’s pursuit of Hodgson has not been finalised and defeat for England today may mean the Fulham boss might prefer to become a candidate to succeed Fabio Capello should the Italian move on.

Liverpool managing director Christian Purslow sounded out Marseille to find out if they would allow boss Deschamps to speak about a possible move.

The French club’s president, Jean-Claude Dassier, revealed: ‘I kindly indicated to him there wasn’t the slightest chance to pinch our coach. Even in his dreams.

'We have a trusting relationship with Didier. I’m not worried but it’s also true he is flattered to see a great European club interested in him.’

Uncertainty at Liverpool has increased, with owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett in talks to sell the club to an unnamed party from the Middle East.

The asking price has dropped to about £560m from an original valuation of £800m and the new owners are likely to target Guus Hiddink if the manager’s post has not been filled.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1289894/Liverpool-snub-Rafa-Benitez-25m-Javier-Mascherano-Barcelona-preparing-pounce.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1289894/Liverpool-snub-Rafa-Benitez-25m-Javier-Mascherano-Barcelona-preparing-pounce.html?ITO=1490)

So Joe Bernstein's received the text.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 26, 2010, 11:35:23 PM
bloddy ell - 560 million...........are they mad.

who has that type of money to burn?

they must be loaded.

and hiddink too.

I'm off to the funny farm for more happy pills.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 26, 2010, 11:54:12 PM
Dude, if they believed in the validity of the story why is it a few lines tacked on to the end of an 'article' - it would be the story.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2010, 01:11:36 AM
Dude, if they believed in the validity of the story why is it a few lines tacked on to the end of an 'article' - it would be the story.

excatly, tes

and it's  the same format over at the express....hodgson story, and they tag on that we are in talks with DIC for 500 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2010, 09:12:50 AM
excatly, tes

and it's  the same format over at the express....hodgson story, and they tag on that we are in talks with DIC for 500 million.

They undermine their own credibility by mentioning DIC. They're pretty much on the edge of being wound up in Dubai because of the amount they owe. They've been selling off chunks of their portfolio wherever they can. Al Ansari has left DIC completely after changing position a couple of times since last September .
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on June 27, 2010, 09:40:07 AM
They undermine their own credibility by mentioning DIC. They're pretty much on the edge of being wound up in Dubai because of the amount they owe. They've been selling off chunks of their portfolio wherever they can. Al Ansari has left DIC completely after changing position a couple of times since last September .


Dubai’s debt-laden private equity group faces closure


Ben Marlow  June 6, 2010



Dubai’s ambitious attempts to build an overseas investment empire to rival Europe’s biggest private equity firms could soon come to an embarrassing end.

Dubai International Capital (DIC), the international investment arm of the Dubai government that once tried to buy Liverpool football club, could be forced to wind itself up.

DIC has debts of $2.5 billion (£1.7 billion). A $1.2 billion loan is due this month but the fund has asked creditors to approve a three-month extension. Its lenders, which include HSBC, are expected to push for the fund to sell its assets to raise the money. The banks have appointed Deloitte, the accountancy firm, to advise on their options. DIC owns several big companies in Britain, including Travelodge, the budget hotel chain, and Doncasters, the engineering firm.

DIC is unlikely to be bailed out by the Dubai government, which is facing its own debt crisis. In 2009, Dubai World, the state-owned conglomerate, caused chaos when it admitted it was unable to repay its debts. Abu Dhabi, its oil-rich neighbour, was forced to step in with $20 billion of bailout loans.

The move to wind up DIC would be the latest blow to Dubai’s international ambitions.

DIC was set up in 2005 to compete for deals with Europe’s biggest buyout houses. It snapped up a string of companies in its attempt to build a portfolio that would rival established private equity firms.

However, many assets were bought at high prices at the top of the boom. DIC was one of the private equity firms hardest hit by the crunch. Deals structured with large debt packages and little equity soon ran into trouble and DIC was forced to inject fresh capital into, among others, Travelodge and Doncasters.

As well as its move for Liverpool in 2007, DIC acquired Alliance Medical for £600m and Almatis and Mauser in Germany for $1.2 billion and $850m, respectively.

The banks are unlikely to push for a fire sale of assets, preferring to wait until prices rebound, when they will stand a better chance of recouping their cash.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article7144803.ece (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article7144803.ece)

Seems highly unlikely Broughton would be talking to DIC. So add journalists to the list of people who don't use Google.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on June 27, 2010, 05:28:43 PM
yes, so often we see newpapers and journalists caught out now.

the public has so much power and information at heir own fingertips.......and it's often easy to nail media lies very quickly and easily.

and poor old DIC - how the mighty have fallen.  What now, for those who slammed David Moores for not selling to DIC.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2010, 01:19:44 PM
De Jong to join SWP on City scrapheap


Published 23:00 26/06/10  By Simon Mullock


Nigel De Jong is set to become a shock casualty at Manchester City following the Blues’ £24million capture of Yaya Toure.

The Dutch international ­arrived at Eastlands just 17 months ago in a £16m deal from Hamburg.

But his future is in serious doubt after Roberto Mancini made Toure his first big-name signing of the summer after finally agreeing a deal with Barcelona for the Ivory Coast international.

City now have four defensive central midfielders – with Gareth Barry and Patrick Vieira also in Mancini’s squad – and Vincent Kompany has also been used in that role.

That could make De Jong surplus to requirements, even though he has become a cult hero with the City fans after some tenacious displays.

There would be no shortage of interest in the 25-year-old, who is anchoring Holland’s midfield at the World Cup.

Mancini is ready for a major clear-out of players once he has recruited the signings he has earmarked.

Sunday Mirror Sport revealed two weeks that Barcelona’s Brazilian full-back Dani Alves is on City’s radar, with the world’s richest club ready to pay £40m.

Alves’s arrival would ­enable Mancini to listen to offers for Micah Richards and Nedum Onuoha. Spurs want Richards, while Sunderland and Everton are ready to vie for Onuoha.

Fans’ favourite Shaun Wright-Phillips, who has failed to agree a new ­contract with City because of his wage demands, may find himself out in the cold if ­Valencia’s £30m-rated ­winger David Silva can be tempted to Manchester.

City also hope to tie up a £25m deal with Aston Villa for James Milner after the World Cup, which would signal the end of unsettled Stephen Ireland’s stay at Eastlands.

Liverpool and Everton both want the midfielder.



http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Nigel-De-Jong-could-be-sold-from-Manchester-City-to-make-way-for-Yaya-Toure-article496043.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Nigel-De-Jong-could-be-sold-from-Manchester-City-to-make-way-for-Yaya-Toure-article496043.html)

He wouldn't be a bad shout if/when Masch goes.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 01, 2010, 06:29:56 PM
'We don't need to sell players'

1st Jul 2010



Martin Broughton is optimistic players like Javier Mascherano, Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres will stay at the club this summer.

The Chairman was quizzed on the influential trio's future at Roy Hodgson's unveiling as Liverpool manager on Thursday afternoon.

He said: "I haven't personally had any conversations with them but conversations have taken place and we remain optimistic on that.

"I know there are rumours out there about the club needing to sell players. If I can just go on record again and say they are not for sale, we don't need the money. We don't have any desire or need to sell players in order to pay down the debt."

Asked if money from any player sales would be available to Hodgson for transfers, Broughton replied: "Yes, it will."


http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-don-t-need-to-sell-players (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-don-t-need-to-sell-players)

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 01, 2010, 06:38:02 PM
I take everything that our owners, and their agents, say, with a pinch of salt.
 
up is down, north is south, black is white.
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 02, 2010, 10:29:45 AM
Maybe we don't need to sell to pay down debt, but we sure as Hell do to generate a transfer fund worthy of it's name.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 03, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
Gossip says Uncle Woy is looking at the Japanese lad Endo (who looked ok in the WC) and Real wing back Royston Drenthe who is valued at £9 (who is a very interesting young Dutch player). I don't expect these players to arrive but it is nice to see us linked with players at last.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 03, 2010, 07:32:44 PM
Every transfer window we get linked with Drenthe. I like the idea of signing him but have got bored of us getting linked with him and nothing happening.

 I read somewhere today Madrid are offering Gago and van der vart for Gerrard. Throw in Diarra who was at portsmouth aswell and u might get close.

But for the first time i actually think stevie might stay. Carra seems to think the captain and Torres will give it another season season. So thats good enough for me.

P.S Come on the Spaniards tonight. After they won the Euro's we went on and had our best season for a long time. Hope the same happens again
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 03, 2010, 11:28:49 PM
Roy Hodgson wants Ashley Young to lead Anfield revival

By Joe Bernstein Last updated at 10:49 PM on 3rd July 2010



Aston Villa winger Ashley Young is top of Roy Hodgson's wishlist as he tries to add British players to his Liverpool team.

Hodgson, who has strongly denied that he is not a big enough name to persuade Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres to stay, will try to find out this week if Villa manager Martin O'Neill is willing to let Young leave.

The winger, who celebrates his 25th birthday on Friday, made a big early impact at Villa following a £10million move from Watford in 2007.
But inconsistency last season meant he missed out on going to the World Cup with England.
Liverpool have sold Yossi Benayoun to Chelsea for £6.5m and replaced him with 29-year-old Serbia World Cup player Milan Jovanovic, a free agent. Hodgson could also sell Javier Mascherano to Barcelona for £25m and bring in Brazil's Gilberto Silva at a fraction of the price.

He said: 'We would be foolish not to be aware of the importance of homegrown players with the way UEFA and Premier League rules are going. Otherwise we're going to struggle to get our squad numbers together.

'I think the club have been trying to do that already with younger players like Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling but it takes time for them to come through so we might have to go into the transfer market.'
Hodgson is anxious to sort out the futures of Torres and Gerrard but if the Liverpool and England skipper decides to join Jose Mourinho at Real Madrid, Liverpool want Holland forward Rafael van der Vaart in part-exchange.
The manager turned down the chance to sign Jovanovic for a fee when he was at Fulham but sees him as a good capture on a free transfer.

He said: 'We have furnished the World Cup with more players than any other team but looking at the squad at Melwood, it did seem very small in terms of seniors.'

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1291775/Roy-Hodgson-wants-Ashley-Young-lead-Anfield-revival.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1291775/Roy-Hodgson-wants-Ashley-Young-lead-Anfield-revival.html)

If he could do for Ashley Young what he did for Murphy and Zamora, it could be an interesting purchase.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 04, 2010, 12:04:32 AM
ashley young could be an interesting signing.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 04, 2010, 10:59:31 AM
I also see he's after Steven Taylor and asked Newcastle if he can talk. Could be an interesting signing but that would be 5 senior CB's plus the younger lads trying to push into the team. Could this be a sign of a player leaving ???

It also says that if Masch leaves they may look at Gilberto Silva...........hmmmmm.

There seems to be a rush of activity so I wonder just how much is being made up by the press. Most I would assume.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2010, 11:20:04 AM
I also see he's after Steven Taylor and asked Newcastle if he can talk. Could be an interesting signing but that would be 5 senior CB's plus the younger lads trying to push into the team. Could this be a sign of a player leaving ???

It also says that if Masch leaves they may look at Gilberto Silva...........hmmmmm.

There seems to be a rush of activity so I wonder just how much is being made up by the press. Most I would assume.

Jas

Steven Taylor. Please Roy, for the love of god, I beg you, don't do it. I'd rather have Steven Tyler than Steven Taylor.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 04, 2010, 11:39:51 AM
Steven Taylor. Please Roy, for the love of god, I beg you, don't do it. I'd rather have Steven Tyler than Steven Taylor.

lol
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 04, 2010, 01:29:36 PM
Micah Richards seems to be available with a price in todays papers of 7mill. I think Hodgson could get the best out him. Might be worth a punt
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 04, 2010, 06:27:23 PM
I also see he's after Steven Taylor and asked Newcastle if he can talk.

I've seen him grunt a few times on match of the day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 04, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
I've seen him grunt a few times on match of the day.

lol
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 04, 2010, 10:53:55 PM
I've seen him grunt a few times on match of the day.

As a Geordie AND a footballer to have mastered grunting is a fair feat. Still don't want him.

I was impressed with the pair of Mensahs that were the central defensive partnership for Ghana.

Having a Mensah would give us the most intelligent defence in the league. Beats Steven 'Grunt' Taylor any week of the day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2010, 11:13:32 PM
Noises coming from Nandos agent are not good  :'(, lets just hope his comments were taken out of context or misinterpreted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292004/Fernando-Torres-set-Liverpool-exit-agent-admits-Premier-League-big-boys-interested.html

Fernando Torres set for Liverpool exit as agent admits Premier League big boys are interested

By Simon Cass
Last updated at 10:27 PM on 4th July 2010

Fernando Torres appeared on the verge of leaving Liverpool on Sunday night after his agent indicated the striker is bound for another Premier League club.

Chelsea are at the front of the queue to sign the Spaniard and Manchester City also showed interest before moving on to other targets when they got little encouragement from the 26-year-old.

Agent Jose Antonio Martin said: ‘It is very likely that Fernando Torres will stay in the Premier League, but I cannot say that it will be with Liverpool. We are working on his future but right now you cannot guarantee that he will stay with the English club.’
Pastures new: Fernando Torres' agent claims the striker could leave Liverpool for another Premier League team

Barcelona have been linked with a move for Torres, but Martin made it clear they will not challenge Chelsea for Torres’ signature.

‘It is ruled out,’ said Martin. ‘Barcelona have signed David Villa and now they want to invest the money they have in other players.’

Sportsmail revealed in May that Torres was a £70million target for Chelsea and, despite Roy Hodgson insisting he would do all he could to keep the Spaniard and Steven Gerrard, the new Liverpool manager could offer no guarantees.

Having already sold Yossi Benayoun to Chelsea, Hodgson would prefer to raise funds for his squad rebuilding by selling the likes of Javier Mascherano and Albert Riera.

But Hodgson knows such is the state of Liverpool’s finances — their debt is £472.5m — a big offer from either Chelsea or City for Torres will be almost impossible to turn down.

Torres says talk about his future must wait until Spain’s World Cup campaign is over.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 04, 2010, 11:36:26 PM
Fernando will be a liverpool player next season dont worry about that. Whether he is the following year is another question :'(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 04, 2010, 11:43:26 PM
Fernando will be a liverpool player next season dont worry about that. Whether he is the following year is another question :'(

I hope your right Kopite, with a new manager in and a takeover possibly in the offing it would be such a pity to lose him now. Plus I would never sell him to a rival club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 05, 2010, 12:00:10 AM
As a Geordie AND a footballer to have mastered grunting is a fair feat. Still don't want him.

I was impressed with the pair of Mensahs that were the central defensive partnership for Ghana.

Having a Mensah would give us the most intelligent defence in the league. Beats Steven 'Grunt' Taylor any week of the day.

 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2010, 09:14:12 AM
Noises coming from Nandos agent are not good  :'(, lets just hope his comments were taken out of context or misinterpreted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292004/Fernando-Torres-set-Liverpool-exit-agent-admits-Premier-League-big-boys-interested.html

Fernando Torres set for Liverpool exit as agent admits Premier League big boys are interested

By Simon Cass
Last updated at 10:27 PM on 4th July 2010

Fernando Torres appeared on the verge of leaving Liverpool on Sunday night after his agent indicated the striker is bound for another Premier League club.

Chelsea are at the front of the queue to sign the Spaniard and Manchester City also showed interest before moving on to other targets when they got little encouragement from the 26-year-old.

Agent Jose Antonio Martin said: ‘It is very likely that Fernando Torres will stay in the Premier League, but I cannot say that it will be with Liverpool. We are working on his future but right now you cannot guarantee that he will stay with the English club.’
Pastures new: Fernando Torres' agent claims the striker could leave Liverpool for another Premier League team

Barcelona have been linked with a move for Torres, but Martin made it clear they will not challenge Chelsea for Torres’ signature.

‘It is ruled out,’ said Martin. ‘Barcelona have signed David Villa and now they want to invest the money they have in other players.’

Sportsmail revealed in May that Torres was a £70million target for Chelsea and, despite Roy Hodgson insisting he would do all he could to keep the Spaniard and Steven Gerrard, the new Liverpool manager could offer no guarantees.

Having already sold Yossi Benayoun to Chelsea, Hodgson would prefer to raise funds for his squad rebuilding by selling the likes of Javier Mascherano and Albert Riera.

But Hodgson knows such is the state of Liverpool’s finances — their debt is £472.5m — a big offer from either Chelsea or City for Torres will be almost impossible to turn down.

Torres says talk about his future must wait until Spain’s World Cup campaign is over.



Yet another gobby agent. We need to insert a 'your agent will be seen and not heard' clause into players' contracts. The agent is seeing an opportunity to engineer a move for his client and a large payday for himself. I guess we'll see soon enough where Nando's loyalities lie, the club that has stood by him and given him a payrise despite not being available throughout periods of the season (and has carried over in to the following season) or his bank balance.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 05, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
Nando's agent has just denied making the comments!!!! Like i said he's not going anywhere this year. I just hope we get new owners and see investment in players and hopefully Torres wont need to go anywhere next summer
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 05, 2010, 04:59:04 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_6246013,00.html

Torres exit talk denied
Liverpool striker's agent insists remarks are false

Fernando Torres' agent has denied making the comments published in the English press on Monday regarding the striker's future at Liverpool.

Agent Jose Antonio Martin reportedly refused to commit the Spain forward's long-term future to Anfield and indicated he could move to another Premier League club.

But Martin insists he did not make the remarks and is adamant 26-year-old Torres, who is contracted at Liverpool until 2013, will remain with the Reds.

"For many months I have not spoken to the England press because their quotes are totally false," said Martin.

"Now is not the moment to speak about this issue because Torres is focused completely on his work for Spain.

"After the World Cup (player-agency company) Bahia Internacional will possibly meet with the player but the truth is that Fernando has signed a deal with Liverpool which is for the present and the future."

It was also rumoured that Torres was set for a make-or-break meeting with Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson in the coming days to discuss his future, but Bahia Internacional sources have dismissed this claim as "simple speculation".
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 05, 2010, 05:33:18 PM
though I never thought that we could lose, there's no regrets
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2010, 05:36:33 PM
Seems to be a bit of pattern emerging with agents.

Insert a clause into every player's contract that they will be fined two weeks wages if their agent's appear in the press. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 05, 2010, 06:02:19 PM
agents and media - I blame them both.

they all need and feed off each other.

look at all the supposed players that hodgson is linked with - we all know roy is a very private man......so I would bet that 95 percent of these stories (eg. linking us to ashley young, danny murphy, hangeland, etc) are made up bogus crap.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 05, 2010, 06:08:46 PM
Nando's agent has just denied making the comments!!!! Like i said he's not going anywhere this year. I just hope we get new owners and see investment in players and hopefully Torres wont need to go anywhere next summer

Thankfully it does look like rubbish. The sooner we get Nando back at the club the better.

The People once again mentions that there is a bid from the Dubai group on the table but the club has to lower their asking price. Doesn't look like theres much to the story though and it doesn't exactly tie in with what Martin Broughton said last week.

Roll on July
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 05, 2010, 11:11:36 PM
Thankfully it does look like rubbish. The sooner we get Nando back at the club the better.

The People once again mentions that there is a bid from the Dubai group on the table but the club has to lower their asking price. Doesn't look like theres much to the story though and it doesn't exactly tie in with what Martin Broughton said last week.

Roll on July

This seems to stem from the alleged £500M offer from a couple of years ago that was 'left on the table'. Who knows whether there was even an offer or whether it was Hicks' PR talking about turning down £500M in attempt to make the club appear even more valuable.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 06, 2010, 12:53:33 AM
agents and media - I blame them both.

they all need and feed off each other.

look at all the supposed players that hodgson is linked with - we all know roy is a very private man......so I would bet that 95 percent of these stories (eg. linking us to ashley young, danny murphy, hangeland, etc) are made up bogus crap.



Look at the number of players we got linked with last summer and how many did we sign 2 Aquillani and Johnson. The tabloids are predominantly daily lies with the odd story having a hint of truth.

It will be interesting to see who Hodgson goes for. He needs to be astute with the little cash hes got.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 06, 2010, 09:09:28 AM
Look at the number of players we got linked with last summer and how many did we sign 2 Aquillani and Johnson. The tabloids are predominantly daily lies with the odd story having a hint of truth.

exactly, Juan.

and the internet/forum era has allowed us to see through the deceit of journalists/newspapers.

there are a few genuine contacts/sources......but the rest in the media are just feeders and regurgitators. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2010, 09:56:15 AM
Transfer Talk: Liverpool set sights on Figueroa

By Ian Herbert  Tuesday, 6 July 2010



Liverpool

The club are believed to be interested in bringing Wigan's Honduran left-back Maynor Figueroa (pictured) to Anfield to solve their defensive problems. The Reds had to depend upon the young Argentinian defender Emiliano Insua last season after injury limited regular full-back Fabio Aurelio to just 14 league appearances. New Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson is also looking at Cardiff's promising midfielder Joe Ledley, who has also aroused the interest of Stoke.



http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-talk-liverpool-set-sights-on-figueroa-2019210.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-talk-liverpool-set-sights-on-figueroa-2019210.html)

Joe Ledley is an interesting one. Available on a free (about£750K compensation due to his age). He would be a very sound squad player with the ability to improve a lot with better players around him.

Graham Dorrans at WBA would be another one. He's Scottish so doesn't automatically fall under the 'homegrown' rule on nationality but may be regarded as such on his time registered with an English club.


There are quite a few players that have been signed by smaller clubs who have gone on to do well, doubled or tripled their value and the big clubs have then become interested. We need to be looking at those sort of players and get them whilst they are cheap and develop them ourselves. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on July 06, 2010, 12:36:01 PM
 Fernando Torres' agent has denied making the comments published in the English press on Monday regarding the striker's future at Liverpool.

Agent Jose Antonio Martin reportedly refused to commit the Spain forward's long-term future to Anfield and indicated he could move to another Premier League club.

But Martin insists he did not make the remarks and is adamant 26-year-old Torres, who is contracted at Liverpool until 2013, will remain with the Reds.

"For many months I have not spoken to the England press because their quotes are totally false," said Martin.


Hmmm so i wonder if the journalist who made this up is either a chelski, manure or citeh fan...
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 06, 2010, 03:23:11 PM
Ayala heading back to Spain

By Razwan Mirza   Last updated: 4th July 2010 



Liverpool defender Dani Ayala is set for a season-long loan move to Spanish second division club Real Valladolid, with a view to a permanent move.

The youngster joined the Anfield club from Sevilla back in September 2007 and Reds reserve team coach John McMahon claimed that the 19-year-old had all the attributes to succeed.

However, the hot Spanish prospect only has one year left on his contract and, following Rafa Benitez's move to Spain, he is now excited to be possibly returning to his homeland with Valladolid, who were relegated from La Liga last season.

"Right now I am waiting to see what my future is because I don't know what will happen now Benitez has left. I am happy at Liverpool but I would be very excited to play in Spain," he said in The People.

Ayala made five appearances for Liverpool last season, starting two games, against Stoke and Burnley.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6244584,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6244584,00.html)

This sort of thing really irks me. Firstly, why send him to a Spanish second division side? Surely he'd be better off playing in the Championship and getting used to English football and not the more gentile Spanish variety.
Secondly, why does he want to go back to Spain just because Rafa's gone? Is Rafa his Dad? Did Rafa give him heaps of chances in the first team? Has Roy said those without UK passports won't get a look in?

It's a shame the likes of Itandje and Plessis aren't in such an indecent haste to head for the exit. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 07, 2010, 12:50:39 AM
Firstly I never realised Klose was only 32 and secondly I didnt realise Bayern were at one stage letting him go on a free.

Could be worth a two year contract given our financial predicament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292580/West-Ham-miss-free-deal-sign-Miroslav-Klose.html
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2010, 11:26:40 AM
Firstly I never realised Klose was only 32 and secondly I didnt realise Bayern were at one stage letting him go on a free.

Could be worth a two year contract given our financial predicament.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292580/West-Ham-miss-free-deal-sign-Miroslav-Klose.html

Klose was woeful for Bayern last season. He's a true tournament player.
I think he'd do OK in the Premier league. He's got enough strength to deal with the neanderthals and would have no problem out manoeuvering and out thinking them.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 07, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
Klose was woeful for Bayern last season. He's a true tournament player.
I think he'd do OK in the Premier league. He's got enough strength to deal with the neanderthals and would have no problem out manoeuvering and out thinking them.

Agreed Tes he was woeful last year, didnt play too many games but didnt do overly well when he did play. I saw a bit about Klose on tv and they were suggesting hes not overly liked by the fans at Bayern but hes loved by the German fans so that maybe why Germany seem to get the best out of him.

Based on the WC alone I would definitely be willing to give him a shot. When you think Santa Cruz never did much at Bayern, he rarely got more than 6 or 7 goals in a season yet in his first season at Blackburn he got 20.

IMHO worth a punt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 07, 2010, 12:28:04 PM
TBH anyones worth a punt considering the lack of quality forwards in our squad
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2010, 12:49:31 PM
klose was someone I wanted at anfield for the past 10 years.

but he's now too old for risking anything more than a one or two year contract on.   BUT I believe he's possibly the highest paid player in germany - 140 grand (unsure if euros or pounds) a week.  Even on a free, he won't be a steal.  At his age and in a fierce, fast moving league, he would be a risk.

as tes and juan have said, he is a big tournament player.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on July 07, 2010, 02:28:41 PM
Klose would have been brilliant 2 years ago after the euro champs.....however i think he's a player who responds to crowds and managers faith...i think he would be a worthy addition and he could turn out to be as important as a certain gary mcallister...

P.s oh and he's signable for a low fee...

p.p.s and probably willing to sign a 2 year only deal...what could we lose?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 07, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
Klose would have been brilliant 2 years ago after the euro champs.....however i think he's a player who responds to crowds and managers faith...i think he would be a worthy addition and he could turn out to be as important as a certain gary mcallister...

P.s oh and he's signable for a low fee...

p.p.s and probably willing to sign a 2 year only deal...what could we lose?

About £10 million for the players salary over 2 years
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2010, 06:39:06 PM
P.s oh and he's signable for a low fee...

p.p.s and probably willing to sign a 2 year only deal...what could we lose?

About £10 million for the players salary over 2 years

he scored just six goals in 38 appearances last season for bayern.

if he replicated that form over a 2 year contract at anfield, then each goal for Liverpool would be costing us nearly one million pounds each.

like I said previously, I've always been a big fan of Klose......but his wages at this point in his career are ridiculous.  I'd imagine Bayern, especially after his past season's efforts, are glad to have him off their books this summer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 07, 2010, 06:53:51 PM
he scored just six goals in 38 appearances last season for bayern.

if he replicated that form over a 2 year contract at anfield, then each goal for Liverpool would be costing us nearly one million pounds each.

like I said previously, I've always been a big fan of Klose......but his wages at this point in his career are ridiculous.  I'd imagine Bayern, especially after his past season's efforts, are glad to have him off their books this summer.

There would be no sense in paying Klose Torres wages. I still think he would be a decent signing on realistic wages and little or no transfer fee.

Dude that 38 games played stat is a bit deceiving. He played 25 in the league and only 11 of those were where he started the game. He didnt have a good season but its a bit of a similar situation to santa cruz when he was there, rarely got more than 5 or 6 goals a season and got 20 for blackburn on his first season. Also someone or other on tv today was saying how he was never liked by the Bayern fans and that he needs to be at a club wheres he wanted.

I'd give him a 2 year contract for 60 grand a week if we got him for 1.5 million quid or less. In the right team he can score goals as hes proving again with Germany.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 07, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
There would be no sense in paying Klose Torres wages. I still think he would be a decent signing on realistic wages and little or no transfer fee.

Dude that 38 games played stat is a bit deceiving. He played 25 in the league and only 11 of those were where he started the game. He didnt have a good season but its a bit of a similar situation to santa cruz when he was there, rarely got more than 5 or 6 goals a season and got 20 for blackburn on his first season. Also someone or other on tv today was saying how he was never liked by the Bayern fans and that he needs to be at a club wheres he wanted.

I'd give him a 2 year contract for 60 grand a week if we got him for 1.5 million quid or less. In the right team he can score goals as hes proving again with Germany.

Klose will be looking for one last big pay day, I imagine. 

He's had limited success at bayern........these past 3 seasons, he's scored only 23 goals in 78 appearances (some as you say, from the bench).

I learned over the years, and it is a rule of thumb for me......never buy a player based merely on his performances in a tournament (i.e. the euros or a world cup)

his club career has been on a downward path now for some time.  If he were to come to the far more competitive English premiership, he may struggle even more.

look at how Fernando Morientes flopped at Liverpool - 12 goals in 61 appearances.  He cost something like 6 million quid  IIRC......with his wages on top (let's guess 60 grand a week), his goals cost us some 1.5 million per goal.  A financial disaster for the club. 

Andry Shevchenko was also a massive flop at Chelsea.

No, Klose will be out for one big final pay day. 

Newcastle would be a good destination.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 07, 2010, 11:20:09 PM
West Brom add Liverpool striker David Ngog to list of loan targets

By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 9:24 PM on 7th July 2010


West Bromwich Albion are interested in signing Liverpool striker David Ngog on a season-long loan.
West Brom boss Roberto Di Matteo is looking for a striker who can help keep the Baggies avoid relegation in their first season back in the Barclays Premier League and Ngog fit the bill.
The 21-year-old is still part of Liverpool’s plans but they may be willing to loan him out once they sort out Fernando Torres’s future and Bryan Ruiz from FC Twente.

Manager Roy Hodgson is also keen on Inter Milan’s Rene Krhin, 20.

Albion, though, are struggling to find a striker.

They have made an offer to West Ham and Fulham target Frederic Piquionne and have also expressed interest in taking Hamburg striker Marcus Berg, 23, on loan.
Fulham, who are talking to Valencia full back Miguel over a £1.6m switch, are also considering a move for Berg.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292756/West-Brom-add-Liverpool-striker-David-Ngog-list-loan-targets.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292756/West-Brom-add-Liverpool-striker-David-Ngog-list-loan-targets.html)

This could be a terrific move for everyone. If he gets to play regularly, gains experience and improves accordingly it will benefit us. If not we should still get more than our money back even if he proves just to be so so.
Also Di Matteo is a terrific manager and playing under him will do N'Gog the world of good.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 08, 2010, 10:13:45 AM
Liverpool blow as agent admits Javier Mascherano would welcome Rafa Benitez reunion at Inter Milan

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 8:48 AM on 8th July 2010


Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson has a battle on his hands to keep Javier Mascherano at the club after the midfielder's agent hinted he is keen on following Rafa Benitez to Italy.

Benitez is in charge of Inter Milan and is known to want Argentina skipper Mascherano.

The Spaniard placed a £50million price tag on the player's head when Barcelona were interested last summer but will fancy his chances of landing his top target for around half that.

Marco Piccioli, Mascherano's agent said: 'I know Javier and Benitez have a great relationship. Sometimes that's not enough but we will see. A deal can only happen towards the latter part of the transfer market, that's my vision at least.'

New Reds manager Hodgson is already sweating over captain Steven Gerrard and star striker Fernando Torres.

Real Madrid want Gerrard while Chelsea, Manchester City and Barcelona have been linked with a move for Torres once the World Cup is finished.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1293012/Agent-admits-Javier-Mascherano-welcome-Rafa-Benitez-reunion-Inter-Milan.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1293012/Agent-admits-Javier-Mascherano-welcome-Rafa-Benitez-reunion-Inter-Milan.html)

My biggest worry with the potential sales of Gerrard, Torres and Masch is that they will happen too late in the window for the manager to use (some of) the money to get replacements in. As we can't afford to buy first then recoup later, we're relying on sales to make purchases. Chelsea or City could wipe us out as a rival by buying right at the last minute and leaving us unable to replace. Of course, I imagine the Toxics would love this as it would give them the perfect excuse to use the money to pay down the bank debt and Pursestrings would then simply tell the world that there wasn't enough time to get replacements.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 08, 2010, 01:15:01 PM
Dan Gosling takes flight! Everton in shock as starlet eyes move to West Ham


By John Edwards   Last updated at 10:48 AM on 8th July 2010


Dan Gosling is hunting around for the biggest pay day possible having held talks with Newcastle after stunning his Everton bosses by taking them on at a Premier League tribunal and securing an acrimonious release from Goodison Park.

West Ham hoped to close a quick deal to sign Gosling on a free transfer but Newcastle are confident they will land the talented midfielder following talks yesterday.

Gosling, 20, left Everton chiefs furious and dismayed by successfully arguing he was entitled to a free transfer after they failed to put a contract offer in writing by a cutoff date in the middle of May.

The Goodison club last night launched an official appeal to the Premier League although sources say it is doomed to failure. Everton chairman Bill Kenwright and manager David Moyes both had to submit statements to the Premier League panel and have been left fuming — not only at the out come but at Gosling’s conduct.

A Premier League statement read: 'An independent hearing, convened under Premier League Rules, was held last week to look into the contractual status of Dan Gosling," said a statement released by the Premier League.

'Having looked into the matter, and considered the arguments of both Everton and the player, it was determined that the player is unattached and entitled to a free transfer.

'This is subject to a right of appeal by Everton which must be brought within 14 days of the decision.'

Moyes signed him from Plymouth two-and-a-half years ago and is aghast that he has rejected a pay deal worth around £15,000 a week over the next two years after indicating it would be accepted.

Everton would have handed him a five-year contract on his arrival from Home Park, but players under 20 are forbidden from signing for that long.

The two parties settled for an initial three-year deal, with an understanding it would be extended for a further two seasons on substantially improved terms.

With bonuses, he could have taken his earnings beyond £15,000 a week next season, yet he left Everton chiefs reeling by claiming he had been undervalued on and off the pitch.

He evidently feels he merits a regular starting place in his favoured central midfield role and, just as remarkably, should be on terms comparable to the £25,000 a week recently awarded to his Everton and England Under 21 team-mate, Jack Rodwell.

Everton will now miss out on compensation that could have been as much as £4million because they did not put their offer in writing, but deny being guilty of an administrative blunder.

They insist similar deals in the past, with the likes of Wayne Rooney and Rodwell, have been based on mutual trust and that a similar gentleman’s agreement existed with Gosling, who faces another four months on the sidelines with a knee injury.

The feeling within Goodison is that putting their offer in writing should not have been necessary, given the favourable feedback from Gosling.

They feel they would have been powerless to prevent him quitting once he changed his mind, anyway. The club would have been due compensation but could not have forced him to stay.

It is a bitter blow for Moyes, who also faces unwanted disruption over the future of key midfielders Mikel Arteta and Steven Pienaar.

Mindful that Manchester City’s drawn-out pursuit of Joleon Lescott proved a costly distraction last summer, Moyes was desperate to avoid any off-field wrangling as he launched his preparations for the season with a trip to Australia.

His hopes have been dashed by continuing uncertainty over two of his most creative players.

Pienaar is yet to commit to a new contract that would give him parity with Everton’s highest earners and Goodison’s hierarchy are bracing themselves for an approach by Manchester City for Arteta.

Pienaar stalled on Everton’s £55,000-a-week offer at the end of last season and headed home to South Africa in the belief that a high-profile World Cup campaign might persuade Manchester United or Tottenham to sign him.

Everton have yet to receive an offer and fear the 28-year-old may see out the final season of his contract and then leave.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292869/Dan-Gosling-takes-flight-Everton-shock-starlet-eyes-West-Ham.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1292869/Dan-Gosling-takes-flight-Everton-shock-starlet-eyes-West-Ham.html)

He could be a very useful midfield addition and if he doesn't work out then we could sell for a few £ next Summer to boost our transfer kitty.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 08, 2010, 03:35:41 PM
Jovanovic pens three-year deal

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/jovanovic-pens-three-year-deal

Liverpool Football Club today confirmed the signing of Serbia international Milan Jovanovic.

 The 29-year-old forward was one of Serbia's star performers at the World Cup, scoring the winner in a shock win over Germany. He penned a three-year deal at Melwood today before meeting some of his new teammates.

He said: "It is an honour for me to sign for one of the biggest clubs in football.

"I cannot wait to start working with the manager and I'm looking forward to joining up with my new teammates on our Swiss training camp."

Jovanovic spent the previous four years at Standard Liege, where he won Belgian Footballer of the Year in 2008 and the Golden Shoe in 2009.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 08, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Shaun Wright-Phillips in transfer tussle between Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1293013/Shaun-Wright-Phillips-transfer-tussle-Spurs-Liverpool-Arsenal.html#ixzz0t6N3LQGd
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 08, 2010, 03:43:27 PM
And the best news of all unless your name is dude ;D

Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson optimistic Steven Gerrard will stay at Anfield

The 62-year-old met with the England midfielder and vice-captain Jamie Carragher on his first day at Liverpool and despite concern over Gerrard's future Hodgson said the player did not even raise the issue.

"Obviously Steven and Jamie are the playing heartbeat of the club and it's very important we keep people like that with us," he said.


"I anticipate there might be a situation where other big clubs will try to sign Steven but he gave no indication that he wanted to leave."

Hodgson told LFC Weekly: "Nobody at the club wants him to go so I will be doing my utmost to make sure he stays. I am confident he will."

Hodgson has not yet had a chance to meet striker Fernando Torres, who is also being linked with a number of top European clubs, including Chelsea, because he is still on duty with World Cup finalists Spain.

However, the Englishman remains optimistic he can convince the 26-year-old that things will improve at Anfield and he can achieve his ambitions with the Merseysiders.

"Fernando is a wonderful striker and I understand the fans' concerns about his future," Hodgson continued.

"Unfortunately with the World Cup still on I won't be able to meet him face to face for another few weeks - that's just circumstance and you won't hear me complaining about it.

"When I do meet him I will be doing everything I possibly can to convince him that Liverpool is the place to be. If he sees progress I am confident that he won't want to go anywhere else. I think he understands the club and the city."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 08, 2010, 03:48:56 PM
IF this is true then Torres staying another year looks a lot more likely
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 08, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
And the best news of all unless your name is dude ;D

 ;D

nobody is willing to pay decent money for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 08, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
Does SWP interest you dude at 6 mill? It seems to me that us, Spurs and Arsenal are linked with every player thats available at the moment
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 08, 2010, 07:23:19 PM
IF this is true then Torres staying another year looks a lot more likely

Gerrard staying definitely makes things easier. If Torres stays and with Jovanovic now on board I don't think the team could be half as bad as they were last year if we sign one or two more.

Does SWP interest you dude at 6 mill? It seems to me that us, Spurs and Arsenal are linked with every player thats available at the moment

I think SWP is a waste of money. He lost it about 3 seasons ago. Hes not consistent enough any more. Save the 6 million and put it toward someone worth it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 08, 2010, 08:34:34 PM
Gerrard staying definitely makes things easier. If Torres stays and with Jovanovic now on board I don't think the team could be half as bad as they were last year if we sign one or two more.

I think SWP is a waste of money. He lost it about 3 seasons ago. Hes not consistent enough any more. Save the 6 million and put it toward someone worth it.

I agree. With our 4 world cup finalists Torres, Reina, Kuyt, Babel (maybe not) and others Maxi, Stevie, Johnson, Jovanovic and Agger. We have still got a good team. We're going to need a left back and someone to replace monster but with a couple of shrewd buys and a bit of luck with injuries we've always got a chance
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 08, 2010, 10:44:15 PM
Does SWP interest you dude at 6 mill? It seems to me that us, Spurs and Arsenal are linked with every player thats available at the moment


no Kopite, SWP has very poor touch and technique.

not nearly good enough for a team with aspirations of winning trophies.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 09, 2010, 11:02:57 AM
Does SWP interest you dude at 6 mill?

Dude's saving up for a top quality left back for us.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2010, 10:10:06 AM
Liverpool FC boss pondering move for Peter Crouch

Jul 10 2010 by Ben Thornley, Daily Post



ROY HODGSON is pondering a move for former Liverpool striker Peter Crouch.

The Reds manager is eager to add a target man to his squad and is believed to view Crouch as the ideal candidate.

Hodgson, who has spoken of his desire to bring experienced English players to Liverpool, is a confirmed admirer of the England striker having failed in a bid to bring him to Craven Cottage as Fulham manager last summer.

It is believed the Tottenham Hotspur player would welcome a return to Anfield, where he scored 40 goals in three successful seasons, despite Spurs having secured Champions League football for the next campaign.

The 29-year-old, who was sold to Portsmouth for £11m in 2008 after slipping down the pecking order following the arrivals of Fernando Torres and Andriy Voronin, would be available for around £6m.



Meanwhile, Dirk Kuyt has given Hodgson – who spent yesterday in Llandudno, North Wales – some good news by declaring his wish to stay.

“Of course I want to stay,” said the 26-year-old. “Liverpool is a great club with a great history.


“Unfortunately in my four years I haven’t won anything but hopefully in the future, I will still have that chance.

“We will have to see what happens but hopefully the manager wants me to stay.”


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/07/10/liverpool-fc-boss-pondering-move-for-peter-crouch-55578-26823354/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/07/10/liverpool-fc-boss-pondering-move-for-peter-crouch-55578-26823354/)

I bet Kuyt wishes he really was only 26 y.o.

I'm really not sure about Crouch. I've never exactly been his greatest fan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 10, 2010, 11:00:40 AM
Personally i like Crouch but i'd bet my house on this not happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 10, 2010, 11:02:00 AM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/the-22-names-linked-to-lfc

The 22 names linked to LFC

Here on Liverpoolfc.tv, we've been keeping tabs on all the speculation regarding players rumoured to be targets for the Reds in our Media Watch section of the website.

 The new manager may have only been here for just over a week, but the club has already been linked with a whole host of players from across the globe.

Of course, only Roy Hodgson and his staff know for sure which players - if any - are on his wanted list for the start of his tensure, but we've compiled a run down of the major names linked with Liverpool since the new manager was announced last week to keep you right up to date with the players allegedly interesting the Reds.

Click here to visit the Media Watch area now and see who we're being linked with today>>


Maynor Figueroa


The Wigan left-back played every World Cup game for Honduras this summer. Despite being a model of consistency, it was his 60-yard goal against Stoke in December of last year which most Liverpool fans will remember him by.


Shaun Wright-Phillips

This is not the first time the diminutive winger has been linked with a move to Anfield. The 28-year-old adopted son of former Gunner Ian Wright has bags of experience and is an established attacking threat in the Barclays Premier League.

Peter Crouch

In what would be a shock return for the former Anfield frontman, Crouch is reportedly a target for Hodgson - who was said to be interested in the Spurs player whilst at Fulham. Brought to White Hart Lane last summer, the striker managed 13 goals in 42 appearances in all competitions.

Rene Krhin

Regarded as one of the continent's top midfield talents, Krhin is also rumoured to have been scouted by the likes of Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea. The 20-year-old Slovenian was part of his country's World Cup squad.

Damien Duff

The Irish international has displayed some of his finest form for Fulham this year. Well known to Roy Hodgson, the ex-Chelsea man - who was heavily linked with the Reds under Gerard Houllier's reign - has also shown he is as adept at left-back as he is on the wing.

Bryan Ruiz

Reported to have been heavily tracked by Hodgson during his Fulham tenure, 24-year-old Costa Rican forward Ruiz was the second top goalscorer in Eredivisie last season. A left-footed winger who plays on the right, Ruiz couples both flair and directness with goals.

Paul Scharner

Wigan utility man Paul Sharner is out of contract and looking for a new club. The first Latics player to ever reach 100 Barclays Premier League games, he spent almost five years at the JJB Stadium in which he played almost every outfield position.

Ashley Young and James Milner

The Aston Villa wide-men have both been linked with moves to Anfield this summer. Both England internationals and aged 24, Milner and Young are regarded as two of the most talented wingers in the division.

Joe Cole

The England international and former Chelsea man is on a free transfer making him one of the most highly-coveted transfer targets this summer. A winger with bags of league and European experience, Cole, 28, is excellent on the ball and renowned for being a big-game player.

Steven Taylor

The Geordie stopper has been linked after a solid season in the Championship. Now 24, Taylor is reportedly looking to move on from boyhood club Newcastle and has six years of Premier League experience with the North East outfit.

Yasuhito Endo

Endo, 30, was a standout performer for Japan during the World Cup. The Gamba Osaka midfielder has over 100 caps for his country and scored a stunning free-kick against Daniel Agger's Denmark in the group stage.

Julio Baptista

Known in the footballing world as "The Beast", the Roma striker is reportedly not part of coach Claudio Ranieri's plans for next season and it seems almost certain that he will leave the club.

Stefano Okaka

The Italian U21 international was on loan from Roma at Fulham last season and has reportedly expressed his desire to work with old boss Roy Hodgson once again.

Gervinho

The Ivory Coast international - who impressed during the World Cup - is reportedly a target after showing a threat on the wings for The Elephants. However, Lille would be expecting to make a significant profit on a player they bought only one year ago.

Royston Drenthe

The Dutch wide-man, now 23, signed for Real Madrid in 2007 but has failed to secure a regular run in the first team, with his spot on the left taken by Brazilian Marcelo. Bursting on to the world stage for the Jong Oranje in the 2007 European U21 Championships, Drenthe was chosen by UEFA as the player of the tournament. He is well known to current Liverpool star Ryan Babel after making a rap video with him.

Reto Ziegler

The 24-year-old, who enjoyed a spell in the Barclays Premier League with Tottenham Hotspur, has been converted into a left full-back since joining Sampdoria in 2007. He was fundamental in the Blucerchiati's fourth-place finish in Serie A, resulting in the club's first ever Champions League qualification.

David Trezeguet

The French striker has had problems with injuries over recent seasons and was limited to just 19 league appearances for Juventus last campaign, scoring seven goals. However, his signing would certainly excite Kopites and provide star cover for Fernando Torres.

Danny Murphy

Former Liverpool hero Danny Murphy has been linked with an emotional Anfield return, not only due to his affinity with ex-Fulham boss Hodgson, but also on merit.

Brede Hangeland

The Fulham defender has been heavily linked with the Reds after excelling at Fulham since his arrival from FC Copenhagen in 2008. Having an eye for Scandinavian talent, Roy Hodgson was right on the money when he brought him to London - with the defender pivotal in the club's relegation battle and subsequent European run.

Rafael van der Vaart

The Dutch star, who has been linked with Liverpool in the past, was thought to be on the outskirts of the Real Madrid team after the club spent heavily on Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka last summer. Despite this, the trequartista-styled player, who comes with a great touch and an eye for goal, did well for the Madrid-based club last year and is supposedly interesting the Reds once again.

Gilberto Silva

The former Arsenal man has been linked with a return to the Barclays Premier League after notable displays of defensive solidity for both Panathinaikos FC and Brazil at the World Cup. Now 33, the holding midfielder boasts a wealth of experience.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 10, 2010, 11:03:56 AM
Looks like we'll have a big squad next season then!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 10, 2010, 11:19:48 AM
Liverpool FC boss pondering move for Peter Crouch

Jul 10 2010 by Ben Thornley, Daily Post



ROY HODGSON is pondering a move for former Liverpool striker Peter Crouch.

The Reds manager is eager to add a target man to his squad and is believed to view Crouch as the ideal candidate.

Hodgson, who has spoken of his desire to bring experienced English players to Liverpool, is a confirmed admirer of the England striker having failed in a bid to bring him to Craven Cottage as Fulham manager last summer.

It is believed the Tottenham Hotspur player would welcome a return to Anfield, where he scored 40 goals in three successful seasons, despite Spurs having secured Champions League football for the next campaign.

The 29-year-old, who was sold to Portsmouth for £11m in 2008 after slipping down the pecking order following the arrivals of Fernando Torres and Andriy Voronin, would be available for around £6m.



Meanwhile, Dirk Kuyt has given Hodgson – who spent yesterday in Llandudno, North Wales – some good news by declaring his wish to stay.

“Of course I want to stay,” said the 26-year-old. “Liverpool is a great club with a great history.


“Unfortunately in my four years I haven’t won anything but hopefully in the future, I will still have that chance.

“We will have to see what happens but hopefully the manager wants me to stay.”


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/07/10/liverpool-fc-boss-pondering-move-for-peter-crouch-55578-26823354/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/07/10/liverpool-fc-boss-pondering-move-for-peter-crouch-55578-26823354/)

I bet Kuyt wishes he really was only 26 y.o.

I'm really not sure about Crouch. I've never exactly been his greatest fan.

Wouldnt it be funny if a chairman of a club were to accidentally see this article and offer big money on the basis hes a world cup finalist and only 26.

"offer Liverpool 35 million, hes got another 4 years left before he turns 30".

As for Crouch, hes been tried and tested time and time again. Hes not a bad squad player but hes not Liverpool quality. The type of football you end up playing with him is not what we want to see either. I would be going for the Robbie Folwer type of striker or to a much lesser degree nowadays the Jermaine Defoe mould of striker, goalscorers before going for target men.

I would be disappointed if this was the route Hodgson was going down. When scouts and managers scour the whole world for talent and the best they can come up with is Peter Crouch it smacks of the safe option or just poor scouting.

Hodgson has to be given the time needed by the fans and management to get things right but its hard not to raise eyebrows when he is being reported as chasing some of his old Fulham targets. I would sooner keep the likes of Insua or use reserve team players in positions than buy players just to make up the numbers.

So Roy if they are not going to improve the first team then dont buy them! Save your money for players who will.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 10, 2010, 11:40:52 AM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/the-22-names-linked-to-lfc

The 22 names linked to LFC

Paul Scharner

Wigan utility man Paul Sharner is out of contract and looking for a new club. The first Latics player to ever reach 100 Barclays Premier League games, he spent almost five years at the JJB Stadium in which he played almost every outfield position.


Does Roy have alzheimer's and still think hes managing Fulham. Paul Scharner. Dear God.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 10, 2010, 12:03:07 PM
As much as i agree that some players arent fit to wear the shirt, Roy is in a job that nowadays requires some wheeling and dealing (Del-Woy!). I think now is the time to build a squad with premiership experiance rather than starlet young foreigners
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2010, 01:04:57 PM
Does Roy have alzheimer's and still think hes managing Fulham. Paul Scharner. Dear God.

Not alzheimer's but Scharneritis.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 10, 2010, 01:13:33 PM
I would sooner keep the likes of Insua or use reserve team players in positions than buy players just to make up the numbers.

So Roy if they are not going to improve the first team then dont buy them! Save your money for players who will.

Exactly, I'd rather the youngsters be given a chance - who knows we might be pleasantly surprised.
Even if they don't measure up, we're still better off than spending on low cost 'established' players who will cost more in wages and are loss making when shipped out. Let's keep what money we have until the manager sorts out a new chief scout and we can hopefully start picking up Hyypias and Arbeloas etc rather than Dossenas, Pennents, Keanes and Rieras. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 10, 2010, 03:11:05 PM
Its ok saying giving the youngsters ago Tes but have you actually watched any reserve games in the past couple of years?  Kelly and Pacheco could possibly step up next year but thats it. Hardly a youth revolution. Ngog was used quite abit last season but apart from the odd goal he was out of his depth and its unfair to rely on him so heavily because he then gets criticised by all quarters and this is likely to do more harm than good. By all means blood them from the bench but to expect our youngsters to start and make an instant impact given our current crop is misguided. I'd like to see a squad of 25 decent premiership players who can do a job rather than 40 players where 10 or more are young foreigners. I wont list them but the amount of youngsters from abroad that have come to melwood and not made an impact, and after a couple of years returned home is outrageous. This was one part of Rafa's reign i didnt appreciate
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 10, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Del-Woy!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2010, 12:09:04 AM
Its ok saying giving the youngsters ago Tes but have you actually watched any reserve games in the past couple of years?  Kelly and Pacheco could possibly step up next year but thats it. Hardly a youth revolution. Ngog was used quite abit last season but apart from the odd goal he was out of his depth and its unfair to rely on him so heavily because he then gets criticised by all quarters and this is likely to do more harm than good. By all means blood them from the bench but to expect our youngsters to start and make an instant impact given our current crop is misguided. I'd like to see a squad of 25 decent premiership players who can do a job rather than 40 players where 10 or more are young foreigners. I wont list them but the amount of youngsters from abroad that have come to melwood and not made an impact, and after a couple of years returned home is outrageous. This was one part of Rafa's reign i didnt appreciate

Kopite I agree with what your saying in theory but we just don't get those decent Premiership players or players that could hack it in the Premiership. Instead we waste millions on the Riera's, Degens, Dossena's, Pennants etc. I realise we're pretty sparse in the reserve ranks but the whole reserve setup in this country is woeful. 19 games a season is a joke. If Duran could stay fit, I'd rather see him, whether he sinks or swims, than the likes of Paul Scharner. Mark Noble is one who would improve massively if surrounded by better players. No doubt he'll join the list of players we've overlooked.

The Academy to reserves to first team progression has been a victim of both the political infighting at the club and the woeful reserve set up the FA has presided over. I realise that clubs can't have B teams like in other countries, mainly due to the sheer amount of professional clubs this country perversely has in comparison to other major European footballing nations. There is therefore a greater need and no reason why there can't be a properly run reserve setup in this country. The Central league used to work fine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 11, 2010, 04:58:09 PM
I completely agree about the reserve set up. There was a point in the season where our reserves didnt play for a couple of months for various reasons. Hows this going to help their development? Unfortunately clubs seem to want to maximise what they can afford for player salaries rather than invest in youngsters
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 11, 2010, 11:37:50 PM
The problem is they can't afford the fees they're paying out, hence the debt levels amongst Premier League clubs.

The other problems we have in this country are the ridiculous work permit rules for footballers and the youth recruitment rule that means the player has to live within 30 minutes of the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2010, 11:05:22 AM
Cisse targets future Liverpool return

July 13, 2010



Former Liverpool striker Djibril Cisse admits he would relish a dream return to the club, and insists that he never got the opportunity to prove himself at Anfield.

Cisse, currently plying his trade with Greek side Panathinaikos, joined Liverpool for £14 million in 2004, having been singned by Gerard Houllier just before he was replaced by Rafael Benitez.

He struggled to make an impact under Benitez and his first season was cut short by an horrific leg break, though he returned to lift the Champions League - netting a penalty in the shootout victory over AC Milan.

A move back to France with Marseille followed in 2006, before he returned to England on loan with Sunderland. After the Wearsiders declined to sign him permanently he moved to Greece, where he flourished last season, scoring 23 goals.

And now Cisse, who was part of the France squad that endured a torrid World Cup, has revealed that he would love another opportunity to prove himself in the Premier League with the Merseysiders.

"At Liverpool I didn't have my chance," Cisse said. "At Sunderland I had a good time but I fancy coming back to Liverpool - that would be nice.

"I like Arsenal because my friends are there, Manchester is nice, but my club is Liverpool. From my point of view, England is one of the best if not the best place to play football."


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=808455&sec=england&cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=808455&sec=england&cc=5739)

Would he be worth a punt if the price was right?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 13, 2010, 11:33:22 AM
I like the fact in an interview shown on sky sports news today he said Liverpools his team and he'd love to come back. He would definately make an impact from the bench and give us alot more depth up front. But he would be 2nd choice behind Torres and would he accept spending most of the time on the bench? Because i dont think Torres and Cisse could play together
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
I like the fact in an interview shown on sky sports news today he said Liverpools his team and he'd love to come back. He would definately make an impact from the bench and give us alot more depth up front. But he would be 2nd choice behind Torres and would he accept spending most of the time on the bench? Because i dont think Torres and Cisse could play together

It would take some work but as both players pull wide sometimes we'd have one pull wide and one central. He also scored a lot of goals when Rafa played him on the right.

Considering his injury problems and the fact that this was his third Summer tournament (all the way to the finals in each) in a row, I don't see us getting anything like a full season from Nando anyway. As always, it depends on the price, but having a player that positively wants to play for us is a definate positive.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
Internazionale move 'has a magical taste' for Javier Mascherano – agent

Press Association - guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 13 July 2010 12.06 BST


Javier Mascherano's agent claims the Liverpool midfielder would jump at the chance of a reunion with Rafael Benítez at Internazionale.

The Argentina captain is reportedly one of the top transfer targets for Inter this summer. And Mascherano's agent Walter Tamer has done little to quell the speculation, telling Italian newspaper Corriere dello Sport: "Mascherano has not spoken to [the new Liverpool manager Roy] Hodgson nor with Liverpool. After the World Cup, he has switched off but it's clear that he is happy to be a target of top clubs in the transfer market.

"Last season, it was the European champions Barcelona that wanted him and this year it's Inter, the current Champions League winners. For him to be linked to Inter has a magical taste ... it's a dream. Think about it – the strongest team in the world wants him, a team where many of Mascherano's compatriots play and a side that is guided by a coach with whom Mascherano has a personal bond."

Mascherano is under contract with Liverpool until June 2012, which Tamer admitted is a potential stumbling block. "If it was up to Mascherano, the negotiations [with Inter] would be very easy," said Tamer. "But he has a contract with Liverpool and first the two clubs would have to find an agreement before we step in."

Tamer claims 26-year-old Mascherano was the subject of an offer from Barça last summer. "Last year [former Liverpool coach] Benítez turned down a lot of money offered by Barcelona for the player but this is a different market," Tamer said. "I have not been informed what Mascherano's buy-out clause is. I await a call as I am the only one authorised to speak of his eventual transfer."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/13/internazionale-javier-mascherano-liverpool-agent (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/13/internazionale-javier-mascherano-liverpool-agent)

I wonder if his wife knows of his 'dream' or maybe there's a much larger Argentinian population in Milan than I had realised.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2010, 06:59:55 PM
Lecce offer £1million for  Liverpool youngster Krisztian Nemeth after failing to break through at Anfield

By Sportsmail Reporter and Ashley Gray  Last updated at 4:06 PM on 13th July 2010


Lecce have made a £1million bid for Liverpool youngster Krisztian Nemeth.

The 21-year-old came to England from MTK Hungaria amid much fanfare three years ago, with the Reds' official website still describing him as 'one of the most exciting prospects on Liverpool's books'.

However, Nemeth has failed to break through to the first time despite impressing for the reserves and he spent last season on loan at AEK Athens - scoring three goals in 18 appearances.
Lecce hope to sign him as part of plans to build a squad capable of staying in Serie A.
Nemeth has impressed as a youth international and helped Hungary to third place at the Under 20 World Cup last year. In May he won his first full international cap during a 3-0 defeat by Germany.
Meanwhile, Flamengo have joined the race to sign Liverpool reserve keeper Diego Cavalieri.
The Rio de Janeiro side are in a stronger position to meet the Brazilians wage demands than rivals Santos and Corinthians, but none of the suitors want to pay a fee for a player who still has two years to run on his Anfield contract.

Reports in Brazil say Ronaldinho has verbally agreed terms on an £85,000 a week deal with Flamengo. The club face difficult negotiations with AC Milan to try to agree a fee, but it is claimed there is a clause in his contract allowing a free transfer in January.

The 30-year-old, who has enjoyed his summer vacation in Rio, has 12 months to run on his current Milan deal.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294345/Liverpool-youngster-Krisztian-Nemeth-offered-1m-Lecce-failing-break-Anfield.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294345/Liverpool-youngster-Krisztian-Nemeth-offered-1m-Lecce-failing-break-Anfield.html)

So just what exactly is the idea behind our academy?

Answers on a postcard (for those of us old enough to remember) or alternatively txt 666 (texts will cost £1,500 plus network charges - all proceeds to go towards Tom and George's favourite charity, RBS)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2010, 09:27:19 PM
Liverpool linked with £10m Defour

Tuesday 13th July 2010


Liverpool are linked with a move for Standard Liege captain Steven Defour, according to reports in the Belgian press.

The Belgian international is thought to be on the verge of leaving the Belgian giants despite recently signing an extension with the club.

The 22-year-old, who was out of action for much of last season with an injury, is still highly rated in European football and is expected to command a fee of around £10 million.

Manchester United and Real Madrid are also reportedly interested in the versatile midfielder.

Defour could join former team-mate Milan Jovanovic should he make a move to Anfield.


http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item466267/Liverpool-linked-with-%C2%A310m-Defour/ (http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item466267/Liverpool-linked-with-%C2%A310m-Defour/)

Please let this be true. If we can add Ever Banega of Valencia, Raul Meireles of Porto or Miguel Veloso of Sporting Lisbon with Masch's money and if we could get Mark Noble for the same fee we sell Lucas for (looks like a serious possibility) then we'd have an improved midfield with a better balance of creativity and defensive capability.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 13, 2010, 10:08:19 PM
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/13/article-1279031015462-06DBD803000005DC-556261_636x300.jpg)

New Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson is set to make his first foray into the transfer market by enquiring about the availability of out-of-favour Stoke striker James Beattie.

After initial talks with the Reds money men, Hodgson is said to have been told money is tight and he should not expect to receive the £40million transfer war-chest that has been reported in the media recently.

The former Fulham boss has already identified his strikers as an area of concern, with few options behind injury-prone star man Fernando Torres.

Apart from the largely underwheming David Ngog and new signing Milan Jovanovic, the Reds have only a few youngsters on their books with little or no first-team experience.

As a result, Hodgson is hoping to bring in an experienced head who can add something different in attack - and believes Beattie fits the bill.

The powerful target man, 32, played under Hodgson at Blackburn Rovers in the late 1990s after coming through the club's youth system.

And Hodgson highly rates the player, believing he will also represent value for money this summer because of his age and his well-publicised bust-up with Stoke City manager Tony Pulis last season.

Beattie is not seen as a long-term option, but the new Reds manager is thought to be prepared to risk the ire of the Anfield faithful by signing a player he believes will have an instant impact on the squad.

The Potters are thought to be keen to cash in on the striker, especially after reports Pulis has left the £3million signing out of his side's pre-season tour of Austria.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/834982-james-beattie-lined-up-for-liverpool-transfer-by-new-boss-roy-hodgson (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/834982-james-beattie-lined-up-for-liverpool-transfer-by-new-boss-roy-hodgson)


get heskey on a free, to play alongside beattie.

who needs nando.
 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 13, 2010, 10:25:51 PM
I really like Defour, I have watched him a couple of times in various Euro games and seems a real talent. At 22 he the right age too.

Beattie..... er..    on a free would be little more than pointless IMO but to pay for him, sorry but thats madness. I imagine this is just paper talk but who knows in cash strapped times.

Wonder how much Lille would want for Hazard ??

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 13, 2010, 11:00:17 PM
I really like Defour, I have watched him a couple of times in various Euro games and seems a real talent. At 22 he the right age too.

Beattie..... er..    on a free would be little more than pointless IMO but to pay for him, sorry but thats madness. I imagine this is just paper talk but who knows in cash strapped times.

Wonder how much Lille would want for Hazard ??

Jas

£15M was the last quoted price I saw for him. As for Beattie, I'd rather have Warren Beattie.
I think a lot of these links are simply players either Fulham have previously been linked with or in Beattie's case a player he had at Blackburn. Expect the Hangeland link to start appearing. I'm surprised we've not been linked with Kevin Davies yet.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 14, 2010, 12:52:29 AM
kevin davies, what a lad.

and of course we'd need Big Sam in, to get the best out of him in a red shirt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 14, 2010, 08:27:20 PM
kevin davies, what a lad.

and of course we'd need Big Sam in, to get the best out of him in a red shirt.

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to make do with Little Sam and that Torres bloke.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2010, 01:52:22 AM
Emiliano Insua to leave Liverpool after Fiorentina agree to pay £5m for Argentine left-back

by Sportsmail Reporter (aka Made Up Bullsh!t)
Last updated at 1:05 AM on 15th July 2010


Liverpool defender Emiliano Insua is expected to join Fiorentina over the next 48 hours after the clubs agreed on a £5million fee.

The Argentine left-back, 21, has been the subject of various offers from the Italians but a deal is close to conclusion.
Fellow left-backs Fabio Aurelio and Andrea Dossena have already left the Merseysiders.
Meanwhile, Liverpool have released youngsters Francisco Duran and Nikolay Mihaylov.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294795/Emiliano-Insua-leave-Liverpool-Fiorentina-agree-pay-5m-Argentine-left-back.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294795/Emiliano-Insua-leave-Liverpool-Fiorentina-agree-pay-5m-Argentine-left-back.html)

Brilliant. Who needs a leftback? I've always thought leftback was a totally pointless, overrrated position anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 15, 2010, 01:56:42 AM
Liverpool FC warned off Sunderland's Lee Cattermole

Jul 15 2010 by David Randles, Daily Post



STEVE BRUCE has dismissed reports that Lee Cattermole is about to join Liverpool FC.

The combative midfielder has been linked with a move to Anfield and would be a direct replacement for Javier Mascherano, who is attracting interest from Inter Milan.

Inter are known to be keen on reuniting Mascherano with former Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez at the San Siro.

New Anfield boss Roy Hodgson is reluctant to see the Argentina captain leave but could have his hand forced should the player hand in a transfer request.

A windfall of around £25m for Mascherano would swell Hodgson’s modest transfer kitty considerably.

With Sunderland’s Cattermole valued at around £10m, Hodgson would then have plenty of spare change to pursue his other transfer targets.

The Black Cats’ manager has recently seen Cattermole’s midfield partner Lorik Cana join Galatasaray in pursuit of Champions League football and says he has no intention of allowing another of his influential players leave the Stadium of Light.

“I don’t know anything about that,” said Bruce. “And I have absolutely no intention of letting Lee leave this club – none whatsoever.”


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/07/15/liverpool-fc-warned-off-sunderland-s-lee-cattermole-55578-26856508/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/07/15/liverpool-fc-warned-off-sunderland-s-lee-cattermole-55578-26856508/)

Smashing. Super. Great. Anything to get FAThead wound up. I rather like this Roy bloke we have as our new manager, coach, doormat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 15, 2010, 02:35:16 PM
Insua going for 5 mill is a disgrace. In 2/3 years time he'll be one of the best left backs in the world and the Argentine first choice left back. He was patchy this year but i think this is as a much a shambles as letting warnock leave for a few mill. Not a happy kopite >:(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 15, 2010, 02:45:55 PM
Brilliant. Who needs a leftback? I've always thought leftback was a totally pointless, overrrated position anyway.

the yanks identified that the club was full of lefties.......too many socialist luving, commie, liberal barstewards.

anyroads as you say, left backs are totally overatted.  Like the old inside-left, their time has been and gone. 

If we play 3-5-2, our new modern all-roaming centrebacks (Carra and his mate) can come over and cover the left side.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 15, 2010, 05:10:19 PM
WOY: Take All These Players We're Being Linked With, With a Pinch of Salt (some players we haven't even heard of!)

LIVERPOOL manager Roy Hodgson has urged the club's supporters to be patient as he steps up his summer player hunt.

The Reds boss has yet to make any forays into the transfer market despite the Anfield side being continually linked with a host of names.

Only Milan Jovanovic has sealed a move to Merseyside since the end of the season, though the deal to bring the Standard Liege striker was already in place before Hodgson took over from Rafa Benitez.

Hodgson has hailed the arrival of the Serbian international striker, who scored against Germany in the World Cup, and hopes Jovanovic's signing will be the first of many.

Reds fans have been asked to trust that the manager will do his utmost in keeping the best of the current crop whilst adding quality from outside.

"We are working very hard on making certain the players we have at the club who you would call the 'good players' are going to be with us for next season," said Hodgson.

"The board are working very hard in that area. Some players are a bit disenchanted after what happened last season and we want to make sure we get that enchantment back.

"We are looking to add to and improve the squad, but I prefer not to talk or say what we are doing until we have something concrete to announce.

"We are being linked with players left, right and centre and it amuses me that we are sometimes linked with players we haven't even heard of.

"I have great faith in the Liverpool public that they will see through the snippets of information they may read in the newspapers, take it with a pinch of salt and wait for an official announcement.

"I'm very pleased we have got Milan," said Hodgson of the 29-year-old who us unlikely to feature against Al-Hilal on Saturday.

"He looks a very keen and enthusiastic player and it's good to have players who are desperate to play for the club.

"I was not responsible for signing him but I was pleased to hear the club had taken the initiative to get a player like him. I've seen him a lot during my time at Fulham and we were watching him.

"He's a natural wide player who can play through the middle. He's more of an attacking winger than a wide midfielder and he's a goalscorer. He scores goals for club and country and I'm sure we'll get a lot of use out of him.

"He scored in the World Cup, he's done well with Standard Liege at Champions League level, so he's no stranger to the big games.

"He only joined us last night, so I don't think we'll use him at the weekend. He looks fit, but at this stage I think I'd prefer to use the players we have been working with all through pre-season." 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on July 16, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
Liverpool are on the verge of signing French striker Loic Remy on a five-year contract for a fee of around £12.5 million [€15m].
The 23-year-old is expected to travel to Merseyside tomorrow to undergo a medical before joining Roy Hodgson’s squad at its training camp in Switzerland, according to sources at Remy’s club, Nice.

“Liverpool is a legendary club,” Remy told Nice Matin today. “I am very excited by the thought of playing there. It has a magnificent stadium and a fantastic public.”

Liverpool are expected to pay Nice £7.5 million (€9m) upfront with the rest to follow in installments.

The Nice president, Gilberto Stellado, is believed to have sought reassurances about Liverpool’s financial situation before agreeing to the move.

 "I believe if Loic comes to England he will be a massive success. He is like Thierry Henry, but I believe if he comes to England he could be even better than Henry. He is a sensational player, he is very strong, very quick and two-footed. He is the complete player and Liverpool would love him."

Liverpool's new manager Roy Hodgson has made bolstering his team's forward line a priority, amid uncertainty over whether Fernando Torres will stay at the club.

Liverpool's technical director Eduardo Macia is believed to have been tracking Remy for five years and he has recommended Hodgson make a move for the pacy hit-man.



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 16, 2010, 05:36:56 PM
 Hodgson played down stories linking his club with a move for Nice striker, Reny.

Hodgson said: ''He's a player who was mentioned to me by the scouting    department and a player the club were following before I came

''He's a player I know very little about. If I am going to be interested in a    player I am going to have to watch him playing, study him and make judgments    which I have not been able to.''

_____

The above is from the telegraph, at 3.10pm today.
                              WTF is going on. all the reports are that we are, or have, bought Reny.
So what the hell is happening here. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 16, 2010, 11:59:08 PM
Hodgson played down stories linking his club with a move for Nice striker, Reny.

Hodgson said: ''He's a player who was mentioned to me by the scouting    department and a player the club were following before I came

''He's a player I know very little about. If I am going to be interested in a    player I am going to have to watch him playing, study him and make judgments    which I have not been able to.''

_____

The above is from the telegraph, at 3.10pm today.
                              WTF is going on. all the reports are that we are, or have, bought Reny.
So what the hell is happening here. 


Good to see Roy's got Macia figured out already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 17, 2010, 12:07:14 PM
Good to see Roy's got Macia figured out already.
I wonder if this Remy story is telling us of a private internal war going on at Liverpool.

there have been players leaving liverpool, that seemingly our new boss has had no power to stop.

and there now is this Remy stuff....and it is uncommon that Roy should be so forceful in his comments yesterday, re not having seen the lad, and not making judgements on anyone til he has seen and studied a player himself.  Odd stuff (to hear him coming out and saying this, re our supposed new signing).

You'd be forgiven for thinking that there is a political war going on at anfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 17, 2010, 12:48:48 PM
My take on it is that Purslow seems to think he's the manager and it'll end in tears for someone, probably Woy. Does no one in the boardroom remember the Keane deal? Let the manager decide who we sign coz he picks the team. Or will he? The quicker we sell the club and get rid of this muppet the better
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 17, 2010, 01:09:27 PM
Jim Boardman has alot to say about Purslow on his .com site and by all accounts he is has his own agenda.

And if he is forcing player signatures and sales its only a matter of time before the managerial situation blows up again.

What worries me is Purlows influence as to who the club is sold to. I would fear he would influence selling the club to someone that retains him in his position rather than the investor with the clubs bests interests at heart.

It could be argued thats what Parry did when choosing the yanks over DIC and we know how that turned out.

If Roy doesnt want Remy then Roy should not have to waste 12 million of his slender transfer budget to do so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2010, 01:21:58 PM
Remy makes three, along with Insua and Lucas. Benni we'll put down to Pursestring's carrying out Rafa's wishes.

If we're going to have a director of football type position at the club then it needs to be someone with a football background like Kenny.

The MD / CEO's involvement should to be buy and sell the players the manager wants if the money is available. His involvement as far as individual purchases and sales go should be to obtain to highest price possible for any player that is to be sold (especially in our financial position) and to acquire players at the lowest cost (both transfer fee and wages) possible. Of course he can discuss valuations with the manager and in extreme cases veto a purchase if the price becomes too inflated (the Simao situation for example), but he shouldn't be deciding on who is bought or sold.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 17, 2010, 01:28:46 PM
Remy makes three, along with Insua and Lucas. Benni we'll put down to Pursestring's carrying out Rafa's wishes.

If we're going to have a director of football type position at the club then it needs to be someone with a football background like Kenny.

The MD / CEO's involvement should to be buy and sell the players the manager wants if the money is available. His involvement as far as individual purchases and sales go should be to obtain to highest price possible for any player that is to be sold (especially in our financial position) and to acquire players at the lowest cost (both transfer fee and wages) possible. Of course he can discuss valuations with the manager and in extreme cases veto a purchase if the price becomes too inflated (the Simao situation for example), but he shouldn't be deciding on who is bought or sold.

The one thing that sometimes frustrated me about Rafa was his need for power. One of the only positive from his sacking was that whole political agenda that wrecked heads was gone.

My head coudnt handle another power hungry individual at the club desperate to make all the decisions footballing or financial.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 17, 2010, 01:35:51 PM
the role of Director of Football is nutty.

If we go that route, then we are gonna create a mess.

It never works.

Let the manager manage the football side of things.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 17, 2010, 01:48:15 PM
the role of Director of Football is nutty.

If we go that route, then we are gonna create a mess.

It never works.

Let the manager manage the football side of things.

It's very much a continental thing where you tend to have a coach and a director of football, basically splitting the duties of a manager (as we know it) between two people. Also the contracts for the coach tends to be shorter than in this country, so I guess DOF role is there to provide some continuity.
It's got to be easier having a manager to make the footballing decisions and let him appoint a staff to carry out those various tasks.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 17, 2010, 03:26:33 PM
It's very much a continental thing where you tend to have a coach and a director of football, basically splitting the duties of a manager (as we know it) between two people. Also the contracts for the coach tends to be shorter than in this country, so I guess DOF role is there to provide some continuity.
It's got to be easier having a manager to make the footballing decisions and let him appoint a staff to carry out those various tasks.

director of football never works, Tes........at least not in this country.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 17, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
Paddy Powers have stopped taking odds on Joe Cole moving to Liverpool due to a flurry of large bets. Interesting...........

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/07/17/liverpool-complete-15-6m-deal-to-sign-joe-cole/

    Paddy Power today suspended betting on Joe Cole’s next club following a flood of bets on the ex-Chelsea player moving to Liverpool.

    Liverpool had been available at odds of 11/2 to be Cole’s next club on Saturday morning but was backed into just 7/4 after numerous lumpy bets were wagered. The bookie then suspended betting when the slashing of odds failed to stem the tide.

    Tottenham had been the bookie’s favourite since betting opened, but the Liverpool plunge was the first significant move in the market.

    Paddy Power said, “We’ve raised the white flag and it looks like good news for Liverpool fans. It was a very quiet market that suddenly sprang to life and scores of bets were placed one after the other at all odds between 11/2 and 7/4. Money usually talks in markets like this and it’s shouting louder than a vuvuzela!”

    Joe Cole’s next club closing odds
    7/4 Liverpool
    7/4 Tottenham
    11/4 Arsenal
    15/2 Man Utd (Paddy Power)

As the saying goes, you never see a broke a bookie. Does this news indeed mean that Joe Cole has managed to get the three year £100k a week deal? That would cost Roy Hodgson’s Anfield side a total of £15.6m but that would still be something of a bargain as there is clearly no transfer fee involved for the free agent.

The adaptable attacker can be played out wide or indeed could even be used as a man in the hole behind the strikers. The 28 year old still has a lot to offer and perhaps Carlo Ancelotti was too quick to turn down the former West Ham man’s demands.

Similar moves by bookmakers occurred when Manchester United were chasing Michael Owen last summer and that was a move that many found hard to believe until the deal was indeed sealed.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2010, 09:30:29 AM
director of football never works, Tes........at least not in this country.


Agreed Dude, but is it the fault of the system or the clubs for not instigating it?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2010, 09:38:09 AM
Liverpool FC agree fee with Italian club Fiorentina for sale of Emiliano Insua

Jul 17 2010


Liverpool have agreed a fee with Fiorentina for the sale of defender Emiliano Insua and the player is travelling to Italy to discuss personal terms.

The Argentinian had a difficult season as injury to Fabio Aurelio meant he was first-choice left-back for most of the campaign and that eventually took its toll on his performances.

Insua has left the club’s training camp in Switzerland to have talks with the Serie A outfit.

His imminent departure, combined with Aurelio being released after his contract expired, means manager Roy Hodgson’s priority is finding a new left-back as soon as possible.

``We have agreed a fee for the sale of Emiliano Insua to Fiorentina and given them permission to speak with the player,'' said a club spokesman.

“Emiliano has now left our Swiss training camp and we’ll make further comment when appropriate.”

Insua arrived at Anfield in January 2007 from Boca Juniors and played 62 matches for the Reds.

Liverpool's friendly against Al-Hilal in Switzerland this evening has been called off after the pitch was deemed unplayable following heavy rain.

It means Hodgson will have to wait until Wednesday, when they face Swiss side Grasshoppers, for his first game since taking over from Rafael Benitez on July 1.

Hodgson thanked Insua for his service to the club.

“A deal has been struck with Fiorentina. We wish him well for the rest of his career and thank him for his time spent at Liverpool,” he said.

“I am expecting him to join Fiorentina next week.”

The Liverpool boss played down suggestions former Chelsea midfielder Joe Cole, whose contract expired at Stamford Bridge this summer, was on the verge of signing after bookmakers suspended betting on the England international’s next club.

“I’m not a betting man so that doesn’t actually play a big part that betting is suspended,” he added.

“I don’t even know enough about betting to know what that means.

“I know we’ve been connected with him, and it’s good to know we’re connected with players of that quality, but I don’t have anything to report on the subject.

“I haven’t had any discussions with him, but I had a brief chat a while back.

“If you want to know about transfer targets, and how things are progressing, you’ll have to ask (managing director) Christian Purslow because he’s the man looking after those discussions, not me.”

Hodgson also revealed he met with Liverpool co-owner George Gillett prior to tonight’s scheduled friendly.

“It was nice to meet him, of course. I don’t know him very well, but it was nice to speak to him,” he said.

“It was good of him to come to the game. It’s a pity that, I’m sure, like the rest of us he would have liked to have seen Liverpool play.”


http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/07/17/liverpool-fc-agree-fee-with-italian-club-fiorentina-for-sale-of-emiliano-insua-100252-26876104/2/ (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/07/17/liverpool-fc-agree-fee-with-italian-club-fiorentina-for-sale-of-emiliano-insua-100252-26876104/2/)

You really do have to hand it to Roy (or maybe Pursestrings actually deserves the credit for the inspired idea). For years (since Stan Staunton mk1), the position of left back has always been troublesome for us. Solution - do away with it entirely. What a masterstroke.*








*So it looks like The Konkster's on his way from Fulham
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2010, 09:45:19 AM
Paddy Powers have stopped taking odds on Joe Cole moving to Liverpool due to a flurry of large bets. Interesting...........

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/07/17/liverpool-complete-15-6m-deal-to-sign-joe-cole/

    Paddy Power today suspended betting on Joe Cole’s next club following a flood of bets on the ex-Chelsea player moving to Liverpool.

    Liverpool had been available at odds of 11/2 to be Cole’s next club on Saturday morning but was backed into just 7/4 after numerous lumpy bets were wagered. The bookie then suspended betting when the slashing of odds failed to stem the tide.

    Tottenham had been the bookie’s favourite since betting opened, but the Liverpool plunge was the first significant move in the market.

    Paddy Power said, “We’ve raised the white flag and it looks like good news for Liverpool fans. It was a very quiet market that suddenly sprang to life and scores of bets were placed one after the other at all odds between 11/2 and 7/4. Money usually talks in markets like this and it’s shouting louder than a vuvuzela!”

    Joe Cole’s next club closing odds
    7/4 Liverpool
    7/4 Tottenham
    11/4 Arsenal
    15/2 Man Utd (Paddy Power)

As the saying goes, you never see a broke a bookie. Does this news indeed mean that Joe Cole has managed to get the three year £100k a week deal? That would cost Roy Hodgson’s Anfield side a total of £15.6m but that would still be something of a bargain as there is clearly no transfer fee involved for the free agent.

The adaptable attacker can be played out wide or indeed could even be used as a man in the hole behind the strikers. The 28 year old still has a lot to offer and perhaps Carlo Ancelotti was too quick to turn down the former West Ham man’s demands.

Similar moves by bookmakers occurred when Manchester United were chasing Michael Owen last summer and that was a move that many found hard to believe until the deal was indeed sealed.

So having got rid of Aurelio, which only leaves us with Torres, Gerrard and Aquilani (I'm not sure that Degen really counts [in any way]), Cecil 'I can be a director of football' Pursestrings has obviously decided Peter Brukner will be one short in his team of 'regulars'. Well done on blowing the whole transfer budget in one go.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2010, 10:07:27 AM
Poulsen in Liverpool link

Sunday 18 July, 2010



Liverpool are pondering a bid for Juventus midfielder Christian Poulsen, according to reports.

The Danish international is, like many of his Turin teammates, available for transfer at the right price.

According to whispers, the Premiership outfit are considering a move for the player at the request of new boss Roy Hodgson.

Juventus are ready to sell one from Poulsen, Momo Sissoko and Felipe Melo after the outfit failed to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Poulsen could be being targeted by the Anfield boys as a possible replacement for Javier Mascherano.

The Argentine's future in England is in doubt given that he is wanted by new Inter boss Rafael Benitez at San Siro.

Poulsen arrived at Juventus from Sevilla in the summer of 2008 but has endured two difficult seasons with the Bianconeri.


http://www.football-italia.net/jul18e.html (http://www.football-italia.net/jul18e.html)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 18, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
Poulsen in Liverpool link

Sunday 18 July, 2010



Liverpool are pondering a bid for Juventus midfielder Christian Poulsen, according to reports.

The Danish international is, like many of his Turin teammates, available for transfer at the right price.

According to whispers, the Premiership outfit are considering a move for the player at the request of new boss Roy Hodgson.

Juventus are ready to sell one from Poulsen, Momo Sissoko and Felipe Melo after the outfit failed to qualify for the Champions League next season.

Poulsen could be being targeted by the Anfield boys as a possible replacement for Javier Mascherano.

The Argentine's future in England is in doubt given that he is wanted by new Inter boss Rafael Benitez at San Siro.

Poulsen arrived at Juventus from Sevilla in the summer of 2008 but has endured two difficult seasons with the Bianconeri.


http://www.football-italia.net/jul18e.html (http://www.football-italia.net/jul18e.html)

I cant see how Poulsen would improve our midfield. I would hope Hodgson goes down a different route to Benitez in terms of if a player doesnt improve the team then dont buy him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 18, 2010, 02:14:12 PM
Its hard not to be sick of Mascherano. I hope they hold out for at least 35 million. As for Militos comments, they just wreak of non committal players looking to jump ship at the first sign of trouble. Mascherano has never fully committed himself to the club. First angling the for the move o Barca last summer and now this.

He will be alot easier to replace than Alonso was.

http://www.clubcall.com/liverpool/mascherano-set-for-italian-job-1078625.html?

Mascherano set for Italian job
Liverpool, 13:14, July 18, 2010

Diego Milito believes his Argentinian team-mate Javier Mascherano will quit Liverpool to link-up with him at Inter Milan.

The reigning European and Serie A champions are known to be interested in the Liverpool midfielder, with former Reds boss Rafa Benitez having succeeded Jose Mourinho at the Giuseppe Meazza helm this summer.
The Spaniard is a huge admirer of Mascherano, and is keen for the South American enforcer to follow him to Italy.
His quest has been aided by the fact that Liverpool can no longer offer their top talents Champions League football, and Milito is convinced that could be the deciding factor in the midfielder's thought process.
"We are very excited about Mascherano joining us at Inter," the experienced striker said in the Daily Star Sunday.
"He has made it clear he wants to be here and it's just down to the relevant people agreeing the deal now.
"In my view we are getting the very best defensive midfield player in the world and Maradona calls him one of the three most important players in the Argentina squad along with Lionel Messi and (Carlos) Tevez. That's how highly he is regarded."
Milito added: "I think it's unrealistic of Liverpool to think they can keep hold of Mascherano when they can't even offer Champions League football and are not challenging Manchester United and Chelsea for the Premier League title.
"The boss and Mascherano have a good friendship so there were no other clubs on the cards for him after that, including Barcelona. He has wanted to join for a while but when the boss joined Inter I think that sealed the deal.
"Rafa has already made it clear that he wants another season like Jose had with us last season. Javier is a natural-born winner.
"He'll relish being at a club where he will win top honours.
"I think it will be hard for Liverpool to hold on to the top players, including (Steven) Gerrard and (Fernando) Torres, but that is not my concern."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 18, 2010, 08:11:03 PM
Milito says: "I think it will be hard for Liverpool to hold on to the top players, including (Steven) Gerrard and (Fernando) Torres, but that is not my concern."

Millito finally gets something right.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 18, 2010, 08:14:20 PM
"I think it will be hard for Liverpool to hold on to the top players, including (Steven) Gerrard and (Fernando) Torres, but that is not my concern."

Exactly. It's not your concern, but you still feel the need to comment anyway. Let's just see if your medal haul has increased come the end of the season, and just how much of part you get to play. So what happens when your mate's wife find that Milan's not Argentinian enough for her taste either? Karma can be a b!tch Diego. Keep an eye out for it. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2010, 01:45:54 AM
Lescano leaves Liverpool for Madrid

442 Staff - Yesterday, 16:41


Highly-rated Argentine Juan Lescano has been snapped up by Jose Mourinho’s Real Madrid after failing to secure a work permit to stay at Liverpool.

The 17-year-old striker, who was seen as one of the Anfield club’s finest Academy prospects, was forced to leave Liverpool after failing to play any first team football for the Reds.

Lescano - dubbed the 'new Didier Drogba' by insiders at the Bernabeu - has signed a four-year deal and joins fellow Argentine and recent recruit Angel di Maria in the Spanish capital.

The teenager admitted that he cannot wait to join the Spanish giants but was eager to pay tribute to his former team-mates at Anfield.

"At Liverpool people like Javier Mascherano and Emilliano Insua helped me a lot, but after the legal problems this is a big opportunity for me," he said.

Meanwhile, Reds’ boss Roy Hodgson is playing down rumours that Mascherano is set for an swift exit from the Merseyside club.

The Argentine has not yet returned to Liverpool following the World Cup and Hodgson admits he has not spoken directly to the defensive midfielder since taking over at Anfield last month.

"He doesn’t need to make contact with me," said Hodgson.

"I’ve made contact with him telling him I’m looking forward to seeing him in training when he returns from his holiday but I did make the point in the voicemail that I didn’t expect him to contact me.

"I just wanted him to know that I had been in touch and that I was thinking of him."

Hodgson’s priority remains finding a new left-back following the release of Fabio Aurellio and Emiliano Insua’s transfer to Fiorentina.

"We are short and that is going to be one of the priorities," said Hodgson. "We need to find a replacement for Emiliano and Fabio.

"That is one job we will have to do."
 


http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/60141/default.aspx (http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/60141/default.aspx)

The red tape curse of work permits strikes us again. The Mancs could get a work permit for a five year old, but we seem to fall foul of this ridiculous law too often. Sport needs to be given some form of exclusion. If a club deem the player worthy then surely they're a better judge than some pencil neck pen pusher in the home office. Afterall, they're being paid a wage, they won't be a burden on the tax payer (who happen to also be fans that would like a chance to see these players) and if they were to leave it wouldn't be for the nearest Jobcentreplus.

As for Masch, it's OK treating him with kid gloves at the moment but if he graces us with his presence he needs to be dealt with with an iron fist. Let him join up with the manager he was so desperate to leave 12 months ago.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 20, 2010, 02:08:38 PM

Liverpool scout Norwegian Rooney

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/liverpool-scout-norwegian-rooney-1

Reports in Norway suggest that Liverpool have been sending scouts to monitor the performance of promising young striker Marcus Pedersen.

 The 5.9ft hitman impressed last season, scoring 10 goals in 24 appearances for Norwegian side Stromsgodset and has looked even better in 2010, claiming six goals and two assists in the opening 15 games.

His bustling style and raw power have seen Pedersen dubbed Norway's answer to Wayne Rooney.

It has been rumoured that Celtic, Newcastle and Serie A clubs have been interested in the 20-year-old in the recent past and Pedersen went on trial at Liverpool in 2006.

Now, Norwegian daily Dagbladet claims that Liverpool sent a scout to watch Pedersen play yesterday for Stromsgodset against Haugesund.  Pedersen suffered a groin injury during the game, but still got on the scoresheet.

Pedersen burst onto the scene for his local second division side HamKam, making his debut in a friendly aged 14.  He was recently featured as an IMScouting player to watch.

Stromsgodset official and former Sheffield United player, Jostein Flo commented: "There are several clubs who have followed him for a long time.  But we have not yet received any bids for him."

Liverpool have shown a recent appetite for bringing young talent to Anfield with the signings of Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling.

Pedersen is contracted to Stromsgodset for another year and a half and is rated as one of the hottest prospects in Scandinavia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN9RoB_wf7A&feature=player_embedded

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 20, 2010, 02:15:05 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/new-suitors-in-remy-race

Skysports.com understands one of the Premier League's major clubs has joined the chase for Nice ace Loic Remy.

 Remy is one of the most sought-after players in this summer's transfer window with a host of clubs across Europe chasing his services.

Remy is regarded as one of the best young strikers in Europe after impressing at Nice over the last few seasons

Skysports.com revealed last week Liverpool had expressed an interest in the 23-year-old hot-shot as they look to bolster their attacking options.

West Ham have held a long-term interest in Remy and have already seen a couple of offers rebuffed by Nice, while Tottenham have also been keeping tabs on the forward's situation.

However, a mystery Premier League side have now thrown their hat into the ring for Remy as they look to steal a march on their rivals for the player.

Nice are prepared to sell Remy for the right price and the striker has admitted his desire to try his luck in England.

Remy's agent, Frederic Guerra, has admitted a major Premier League club has joined the chase for the Frenchman.

"A major club from the Premier League have contacted me about Loic," Guerra told skysports.com.

"I have a meeting with the club tomorrow [Wednesday] and we will see what happens.

"Whatever happens Loic will be leaving Nice this summer and he has his heart set on England."

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6271887,00.html


Reds close in on Wilson
Rangers youngster poised for Anfield switch

Sky Sports News understands that Liverpool are on the brink of signing defender Danny Wilson from Rangers.

Ibrox manager Walter Smith revealed to Sky Sports News reporter David Tanner that the two clubs are in advanced stages of discussions and have only the transfer fee left to agree on.

Smith also said the move could be sealed as soon as Tuesday evening, which would leave 18-year-old Wilson free to link up with the Reds at their Switzerland training camp.

Centre-back Wilson came through the youth ranks at the Ibrox club before penning his first professional contract there three years ago.

He will not join the Rangers squad that will fly out to Australia for their pre-season tour on Tuesday night due to a slight hamstring injury.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 20, 2010, 06:37:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTL9Q6Ld6d4

I like Woys current policy of signing British, even though he was identified unders Rafa's reign
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2010, 06:58:04 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/8839525.stm

Rangers have agreed a deal in principle with Liverpool over the sale of defender Danny Wilson.

Ibrox chief executive Martin Bain insists the deal will net the Glasgow club £2million, rising to £5million with on add-ons linked to games played.

Wilson was absent from the squad which left Glasgow on Tuesday for Rangers' pre-season tour in Australia, which was put down to a hamstring problem.

The 18-year-old turned down a contract on offer to remain at Ibrox.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 20, 2010, 07:00:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTL9Q6Ld6d4

I like Woys current policy of signing British, even though he was identified unders Rafa's reign

A good British core complemented by a few talented foreigners is the way to go for the future.

The homegrown rule kicks in soon. Also though I think if you can build a successful mainly British side then the chances of players looking to leave like Masch is reduced.

Foreign players tend to stick around for a few years and then want to head back home or elsewhere, that wouldnt be a worry with British players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 20, 2010, 07:49:31 PM
i think this might end Ayala's future at the club. I've also read somewhere we're trying to offload the big greek
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 20, 2010, 09:57:08 PM
As a Scot he won't come under the new rules as it's only English and Welsh FAs affiliated trained, but he would have spent 3 seasons by the season of his 21st birthday and qualify that way and they don't need to be named in the 25 if under 21.
Ayala has talked of wanting to go back to Spain now Rafa's left, but with Kelly aswell, hopefully we're going to be well equipped in the central defensive positions.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2010, 10:23:45 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/liverpool/6272458/Degen-given-the-boot-at-Anfield

Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson has told defender Philipp Degen he can look for a new club.

The Switzerland international has struggled to make an impact since arriving at Anfield from Borussia Dortmund in July 2008.

"We have had an amicable conversation with Philipp and he wants to play football," said Hodgson.

"We won't stand in his way and he is free to look for another club."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2010, 02:20:18 PM
http://www.teamtalk.com/liverpool/6272458/Degen-given-the-boot-at-Anfield

Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson has told defender Philipp Degen he can look for a new club.

The Switzerland international has struggled to make an impact since arriving at Anfield from Borussia Dortmund in July 2008.

"We have had an amicable conversation with Philipp and he wants to play football," said Hodgson.

"We won't stand in his way and he is free to look for another club."

Let's just he can find a mug club willing to take him and he doesn't mess around with high wage demands and scupper any deal, especially if regular first team football is what he really wants.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2010, 04:30:59 PM
danny wilson hasn't got a prayer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
Coles making all the right noises. If his football hits it off h could be a fans favourite in no time.


http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/35374.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Joe Cole has described Liverpool as the "biggest club" in England after finalising his free-transfer move to Merseyside on Wednesday.

Cole was available as a free agent following his release by Chelsea and spurned interest from Arsenal and Tottenham to sign a four-year deal worth a reported £90,000 per week. Liverpool are currently in pre-season training in Austria and in his first interview after joining the club, Cole expressed his belief that the Reds represent the pinnacle of English football.

"I set myself a deadline to make a decision and when I made it I sent a text to Christian Purslow and Steven Gerrard and then turned my phone off," Cole told the club's official website.

"I know I have made the right decision and I am looking forward to the challenge. This is a challenge for me. I have played in London all my life. I could have stayed at Chelsea because the fans loved me and I won things, but I wanted to challenge myself and when I knew Liverpool were interested it was a no-brainer because they are the biggest club in the country.

"This is a massive club. I tried to take everything out of the equation, take the financial and location side out and just thought in football terms. I thought about the semi-final of the Champions League in 2005 when I ran onto the field and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. I was thinking about playing in that atmosphere every week and that swung it for me."

Cole's signing was warmly welcomed by Liverpool fans and also captain Steven Gerrard, who promptly indicated that his long-term future lies with the club. Gerrard had been linked with a move to Real Madrid but Cole is delighted his England colleague will remain at Anfield.

"That was the best bit of news I could have had," Cole said. "I know Stevie, he is Liverpool through and through and I know from playing with and against him for the last ten years what a quality player he is. I know how much this club means to him.

"I think players can play for other clubs but with Liverpool you have to live and breathe it. It's that kind of a place. I am excited by the challenge. I am moving my family and everyone is excited and booking their weekends up here. I am going to make it work.

"I had a chat with the gaffer about football and was impressed with him. The club has had Spanish and French managers over the years and I think it's a breath of fresh air to get an Englishman in. The club finished seventh last year, which wasn't good enough, and he explained where the club wants to go.

"I jumped on board because with the players we have here and the players we are looking to bring in, it's definitely going in the right direction."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2010, 04:33:51 PM
Sorry above post in wrong thread.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2010, 04:35:05 PM
danny wilson hasn't got a prayer.

Why the negativity with Wilson Dude?

Hes only 18 and is meant to have held his own in the CL last season. Has to be a good prospect.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 21, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
Agreed Dude, but is it the fault of the system or the clubs for not instigating it?

oops, I missed this reply.

good question Tes.....I think's it's a totally flawed concept.

the manager is being asked to work alongside another figure, re incoming players. 

How often do people always get on/agree?  Even within a family, family members  are often not speaking, or on very poor terms....loads of potential for disagreement, etc.

It is madness to undermine the manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
danny wilson hasn't got a prayer.

But Mary has.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 21, 2010, 08:47:18 PM
oops, I missed this reply.

good question Tes.....I think's it's a totally flawed concept.

the manager is being asked to work alongside another figure, re incoming players. 

How often do people always get on/agree?  Even within a family, family members  are often not speaking, or on very poor terms....loads of potential for disagreement, etc.

It is madness to undermine the manager.


I agree that you can't have a manager and a technical director/director of football but it's a different setup where it's a director of football and a coach. It's basically splitting the responsibility of a manager between two people, but for it to be successful both the coach and DOF have to share the same footballing philosophy and method of playing and there has to be both trust and mutual respect. It's a different philosophy abroad where coaches tend to have shorter contracts as they have less overall involvement and therefore continuity isn't such a problem as the coach wasn't involved in all levels of the footballing side at the club.

Looking at the likes of Wenger and Ferguson, even in the modern age, one person in charge shaping the whole of the footballing side within the club works. The other model is more like the international setup  where the coach concerns himself purely with the 1st team and all other levels and aspects are dealt with by an FA or equivalent governing body.

It's also more fair and accountable. As a coach, if you're simply given a collection of players, however balanced or inbalanced you still carry the can in the same way, the coach ends up paying the price when the blame should be shared equally with the DOF.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2010, 09:09:35 PM
But Mary has.

Has the Danny Wilson remark gone right over my head?  :-[
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 21, 2010, 09:11:17 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-in-talks-over-riera-sale?

Liverpool are in talks with Olympiacos over the sale of winger Albert Riera.

The Spaniard played no part in Wednesday night's friendly draw with Grasshoppers as discussions over his future continue with the Greek outfit.

Roy Hodgson told Liverpoolfc.tv: "Albert Riera did not play as a precaution because negotiations are ongoing with Olympiacos."

Riera signed from Espanyol in August 2008 and has scored five goals in 56 appearances.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Gurdeep on July 21, 2010, 10:27:14 PM
Guessing Albert wants to move on.  With Cole's arrival he may be worried that he'll be playing second or third fiddle.  If that is the case then bye bye.  We need players to have the desire/fight and hunger to play for the 1st team and not turn up expecting their name on the teamsheet automatically.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 21, 2010, 11:24:57 PM
If you describe the club as a 'sinking ship' you've got to go. If we're a sinking ship how would he describe his latest career move?? :-X
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2010, 02:01:25 AM
Has the Danny Wilson remark gone right over my head?  :-[

Tes and moi are obviously of a certain age.   :o ;D

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 22, 2010, 12:40:37 PM


Huntelaar to sign for Liverpool

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/huntelaar-to-sign-for-liverpool


Milan striker Klaas-Jan Huntelaar will join Liverpool, with Ryan Babel heading the other way as part of the deal, claims Il Corriere dello Sport.

 On Tuesday Huntelaar was reportedly in Manchester, leading to speculation talks with either Manchester City or Manchester United are impending.

However, the latest reports from Italy suggest he could join Liverpool. Huntelaar was not at Milanello on Wednesday, leading to further belief his future is away from Milan.

And should the deal with Liverpool take off, Milan will press for Ryan Babel as part of negotiations.

Everton are also said to be tracking the Rossoneri striker, but the lure of Anfield is likely to prove pivotal in his decision.

There has been little official confirmation in relation to Huntelaar's future, but Milan coach Massimiliano Allegri didn't appear too convincing when he was probed for a diagnosis.

"Huntelaar, for now, is a Milan player," he told the press. The Dutchman has also been linked with Tottenham and Aston Villa previously.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 22, 2010, 12:41:38 PM
Get this deal done Woy :D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 22, 2010, 02:01:17 PM
Get this deal done Woy :D

Thats would be a very clever deal indeed out of Woy.

Both players are in similar situations at their clubs and country, on the fringes of the teams and not really trusted.

We could do with Huntelaar more than Babel though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 22, 2010, 02:02:10 PM
On Tuesday Huntelaar was reportedly in Manchester, leading to speculation talks with either Manchester City or Manchester United are impending.

does easyjet or ryanair not fly to John Lennon's airport?



Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 22, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
Bridge next for Kop

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/bridge-next-for-kop


Wayne Bridge is the latest English star to emerge on Roy Hodgson's radar at Liverpool.

 The Manchester City left-back, 30 next week, faces an uncertain future at Eastlands with the club close to confirming the signing of £17million Lazio left-back Alexander Kolarov.

It would place luckless Bridge in the same position he was in at former club Chelsea last year.

Hodgson has already pulled off a massive transfer coup with his swoop for England midfielder Joe Cole on a free earlier this week.

The new Anfield chief has been further boosted by captain Steven Gerrard's insistence that he will not be leaving the club.

And with Argentine full-back Emiliano Insua on his way to Fiorentina for around £5million, Hodgson is now ready to add yet another Englishman to his Anfield ranks.

At Chelsea Bridge was the second-choice left-back behind Ashley Cole before moving to Manchester for £12million.

Although he initially made a solid start at Eastlands, Bridge suffered a torrid time last season with a long-term knee injury and poor form casting doubt over his position in the team.

Bridge was then rocked by the scandal involving the England skipper John Terry and Bridge's former partner Vanessa Perroncel.

Although he was backed by coach Roberto Mancini and his team-mates, Bridge's form was still affected and he went on to retire from international football in order not to face Terry.

Kolarov, who made two appearances for Serbia at the World Cup in South Africa, has yet to agree personal terms or complete a medical with Manchester City.

But with the club having agree a fee with Lazio for the 24-year-old, there is little doubt that he will conclude a deal to become City's latest recruit shortly.

This story has been reproduced from today's media. It does not necessarily represent the position of Liverpool Football Club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 22, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
What does everyone make of Bridge?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 22, 2010, 09:19:05 PM
What does everyone make of Bridge?

It wouldnt be a bad buy if we got him for a max 6 million, hes english and it wouldnt be hard for him to better Insua last season.

However I think we can do better. Hes turning 30, he is apparently one of the worlds highest paid full backs so Im not sure he would come that cheap.

I would be happy if he signed but I think Woy can do better.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 23, 2010, 01:02:56 AM
What does everyone make of Bridge?
the step up from Southampton to Chelsea was a bridge too far for Wayne.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
Thats would be a very clever deal indeed out of Woy.

Both players are in similar situations at their clubs and country, on the fringes of the teams and not really trusted.

We could do with Huntelaar more than Babel though.

Straight swop, no cash, unless it's coming to us. Huntelaar has struggled since leaving Ajax so the risk would arguably be greater for us, hence no cash to Milan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2010, 01:59:38 PM
Has the Danny Wilson remark gone right over my head?  :-[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezFgMfL39c4


 ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2010, 02:02:37 PM
Bridge next for Kop

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/bridge-next-for-kop


Wayne Bridge is the latest English star to emerge on Roy Hodgson's radar at Liverpool.

 The Manchester City left-back, 30 next week, faces an uncertain future at Eastlands with the club close to confirming the signing of £17million Lazio left-back Alexander Kolarov.

It would place luckless Bridge in the same position he was in at former club Chelsea last year.

Hodgson has already pulled off a massive transfer coup with his swoop for England midfielder Joe Cole on a free earlier this week.

The new Anfield chief has been further boosted by captain Steven Gerrard's insistence that he will not be leaving the club.

And with Argentine full-back Emiliano Insua on his way to Fiorentina for around £5million, Hodgson is now ready to add yet another Englishman to his Anfield ranks.

At Chelsea Bridge was the second-choice left-back behind Ashley Cole before moving to Manchester for £12million.

Although he initially made a solid start at Eastlands, Bridge suffered a torrid time last season with a long-term knee injury and poor form casting doubt over his position in the team.

Bridge was then rocked by the scandal involving the England skipper John Terry and Bridge's former partner Vanessa Perroncel.

Although he was backed by coach Roberto Mancini and his team-mates, Bridge's form was still affected and he went on to retire from international football in order not to face Terry.

Kolarov, who made two appearances for Serbia at the World Cup in South Africa, has yet to agree personal terms or complete a medical with Manchester City.

But with the club having agree a fee with Lazio for the 24-year-old, there is little doubt that he will conclude a deal to become City's latest recruit shortly.

This story has been reproduced from today's media. It does not necessarily represent the position of Liverpool Football Club.



City will not consider selling Bridge to Liverpool

Harry Harris  July 23, 2010


ESPNsoccernet has been told that Wayne Bridge has been assured his future remains at Eastlands despite the imminent arrival of left-back Aleksandr Kolarov and rumoured interest from Liverpool.

City will spend £17 million on Serbian defender Kolarov and the deal has led to speculation linking the 29-year-old Bridge with a move to Liverpool, as new boss Roy Hodgson is on the lookout for a new left back after the departures of Emiliano Insua and Fabio Aurelio.

However, Bridge, who declined to be included in England's World Cup squad because of a well-publicised fall-out with John Terry, naturally has sought clarification about his future with Manchester City and has been told he will not be sold.

''Wayne Bridge has been told by Manchester City that he is not for sale, that the manager wants two players for every position,'' a source told Soccernet. "That's fine by Wayne who is very happy at Manchester City with three years left on his current contract, having been there for one-and-a-half years already.''

Liverpool are still likely to push to sign the experienced defender, who may ultimately grow tired of finding himself in a similar position to the one that drove him out of Chelsea, and the source maintained that a move could yet happen.

''We all know in football that the situation can change,'' he said. ''If Liverpool are serious, and get some money in by selling one of their big stars, they could make an offer for Wayne, and who knows then if the situation changes."


http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/35619.html?CMP=OTC-RSS (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/35619.html?CMP=OTC-RSS)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
What does everyone make of Bridge?

He's a poor man's, poor man's Wayne Bridge.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
Guessing Albert wants to move on.  With Cole's arrival he may be worried that he'll be playing second or third fiddle.  If that is the case then bye bye.  We need players to have the desire/fight and hunger to play for the 1st team and not turn up expecting their name on the teamsheet automatically.



Every time someone refers to him as 'Albert', it always reminds me of:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3jXMsfLxhI
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 23, 2010, 02:32:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezFgMfL39c4


 ;D

what a great song.

back in those days, songs had tunes and lyrics.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 23, 2010, 02:34:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKDPX8PEiVk

and whilst we are in youtube.........lest Juan missed my reference pun last night to a bridge too far.    ;D

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 23, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
I agree that you can't have a manager and a technical director/director of football but it's a different setup where it's a director of football and a coach. It's basically splitting the responsibility of a manager between two people, but for it to be successful both the coach and DOF have to share the same footballing philosophy and method of playing and there has to be both trust and mutual respect. It's a different philosophy abroad where coaches tend to have shorter contracts as they have less overall involvement and therefore continuity isn't such a problem as the coach wasn't involved in all levels of the footballing side at the club.

Looking at the likes of Wenger and Ferguson, even in the modern age, one person in charge shaping the whole of the footballing side within the club works. The other model is more like the international setup  where the coach concerns himself purely with the 1st team and all other levels and aspects are dealt with by an FA or equivalent governing body.

It's also more fair and accountable. As a coach, if you're simply given a collection of players, however balanced or inbalanced you still carry the can in the same way, the coach ends up paying the price when the blame should be shared equally with the DOF.

fuk......I spent 30 mins on a reply....and the site exterminated it.

fuk it.  fuk it. fuk it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 23, 2010, 06:54:35 PM
fuk......I spent 30 mins on a reply....and the site exterminated it.

fuk it.  fuk it. fuk it.

Or was it?....................




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0n88tZQc4Q&feature=related
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 25, 2010, 03:33:22 PM
Not a bad player, if Joe Cole is going to play a central role as is being reported I cant see the need for VDV. Also who is guaranteed first team football these days. For someone who hasnt set the world alight his demand for first team football wouldnt exactly endear you to him. Earlier in the summer i would have taken him but now pass, money can be spent better elsewhere.

http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/129952-real-madrids-rafael-van-der-vaart-targets-liverpool-fc-switch.html

Rafael van der Vaart is courting a move to either Chelsea or Liverpool, but only if he is guaranteed first-team football.

The Holland international, 27, was the subject of talks between the Reds and Real Madrid in April but a deal failed to materialise from the discussions.

Van der Vaart made just 31 domestic appearances for Real last season after failing to feature in Manuel Pellegrini's plans and is expected to be offloaded by Jose Mourinho, who succeeded the Chilean at the Bernabeu.

Injury curtailed the attacking midfielder's impact at this summer's World Cup despite making a substitute appearance in Holland's defeat to Spain in the final.

But after hearing that interest from Anfield has not waned in addition to that of the Premier League champions, van der Vaart is attempting to engineer a move to a club able to offer guarantees of regular first-team football but insists he will not remain in La Liga.

He said: "I have heard of the interest from Liverpool and Chelsea - and that is very flattering.

"If either of them were willing to offer me first-team football, I will be honest that it would be very hard for me to not listen to what they had to say.

"I think I have the relationship with Madrid where they understand my position and would let me hold talks.

"I expect the majority of transfers to be concluded in the next two weeks, and if Chelsea or Liverpool wanted to talk with me I would at the very least listen to what they have to say.

"They are both giants, and if they could offer first-team football it may prove impossible to turn down. Real Madrid is the most prestigious club in the world and I am happy here and also in Spain, but I am at the age where I have to be playing first-team football.

"I am getting to the point where I will be hitting my peak years and I need to spend those years at a club where I will be playing regularly. The boss knows how much he plans to use me, and if he is willing to listen to offers for me.

"I wouldn't be willing to play for any clubs in Spain out of respect for Madrid, so in my eyes the only other place to go would be the Premier League.

"It's the only league that competes with the standard of La Liga."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2010, 04:37:24 PM
I guess poor old VDV doesn't understand what life at a big club is all about. Martin Jol might be able guarantee him first team football.

What more does the modern footballer want? The riches are guaranteed, it's called a contract. Do they expect not to have to earn any aspect of their chosen career? Poor little darlings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 25, 2010, 06:56:39 PM
can't beat Spike!  Hitler, my part in his downfall   ;D

re VDV.....the lad's career has been a waste these past years.  I have no idea what he has been up to.  Maybe a kick up the ass was what he needed years ago.

I do wonder tho if our interest in VDV is for him to play alongside Torres.....or in place of Torres.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 25, 2010, 07:16:53 PM
re VDV.....the lad's career has been a waste these past years.  I have no idea what he has been up to.  Maybe a kick up the ass was what he needed years ago.

I do wonder tho if our interest in VDV is for him to play alongside Torres.....or in place of Torres.



Nah it couldnt be to replace Nando. I would see VDV as more of an attacking midfielder.

Maybe its to replace Joe Cole. Rumours have it Cole is disillusioned by his lack of starts so far. His wife cant settle either and is having trouble understanding Scouse.


 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 25, 2010, 07:34:49 PM
 ;D ;D


like they say, no cole without fire.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2010, 08:25:41 PM
;D ;D


like they say, no cole without fire.

Hence Newcastle being so cold.

Talking of which, what's happened to BWM?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 25, 2010, 08:45:25 PM
Hence Newcastle being so cold.

Talking of which, what's happened to BWM?

another great british institution lost to the germans.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 25, 2010, 08:49:16 PM
another great british institution lost to the germans.

I wonder if BWM realises he's not only a great British institution but he's also eligible for a German passport.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: BandWMisery on July 26, 2010, 10:13:54 AM
I'm about still watching the transitions in football less miserable this year but pretty much in a similar place to you lot. Though failure to invest for us will likely lead to a yo-yo club which still makes me a little miserable. The keeping of CH to me kinda of shouts lack of ambition but he has earned the right to some time.

So really pretty similar place to your selves, minus the losing of stars(lol which we don't have) I just hope the spirit we played with last season will be enough to keep us out of the relegation battle. Sadly IMO we have a worse side than the one that took us down and looks likely there will be little funds to strengthen but there is also part of me that thinks doing it with our means is a way to do it. I'm just not sure we have the base to stay out of the relegation battle to begin with I'd liked a few more key players before committing to working within financial constraints.

So I suppose a new owner is still wished for but that I think is mainly down to the model of the premier league(Meaning no funding = lack of ambition) rather than the actual lack of funding, sadly to me it would seem football has really reached a phase where the title can be bought at a cost.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 26, 2010, 02:48:11 PM

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/agent-figueroa-close-to-reds-move

Agent: Figueroa close to Reds move

Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is chasing Wigan Athletic fullback Maynor Figueroa.

 The Telegraph says Hodgson is believed to be closing in on Figueroa, the Wigan and Honduras left-back.

The player will leave this summer and Liverpool remain confident of agreeing a £6 million fee.

The player's agent, Jean-Marc Goiran, has confirmed that a "deal is almost in place with Liverpool" for the 27 year-old.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 26, 2010, 02:49:23 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/transfer-gossip/real-winger-set-for-reds

Real winger set for Reds?

Dutch midfielder Royston Drenthe is continually being linked with a move away from Real Madrid and the former Holland under-21 star has now revealed that he's set to leave Madrid for Barclays Premier League side Liverpool.

 It's not yet clear whether Liverpool and Real Madrid have already agreed  terms, but Drenthe appears confident that he'll ply his trade in the Barclays Premier League next term. "I will soon be joining Liverpool. I hope I will have a good season with my new club," he is quoted as saying.

Drenthe joined Real Madrid from Feyenoord in the summer of 2007, but the left footed wing-back never really managed to secure regular first team action at the Santiago Bernabeu. Therefore, he could now be looking to relaunch his career at Liverpool.

The Reds are in the market for a new left back following the departure of Fabio Aurelio, while Emiliano Insua and Philipp Degen also appear to be on their way out of Anfield. New manager Roy Hodgson supposedly sees Drenthe as the perfect candidate to fill the void at left back.

The former Feyenoord star would be the third Dutchman at Liverpool if the transfer indeed materialises. Compatriots Ryan Babel and Dirk Kuyt are already under contract at Anfield.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 27, 2010, 12:49:12 PM
All the rumours today suggest Figueroa and Drenthe deals are very close to happening.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2010, 12:54:59 PM
All the rumours today suggest Figueroa and Drenthe deals are very close to happening.

Interesting. I wouldnt say no to either player. Drenthe wouldnt want to be eating up our transfer budget because he still has a lot to prove.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
Kopite Drenthes out, his agent just issued this;

Real Madrid's Netherlands international Royston Drenthe is not on his way to Liverpool, despite reports - citing a supposed Facebook page for the player - suggesting a deal had been done. "I will soon be joining Liverpool FC. I hope I will have a good season," read the page.

However, his agent told BBC Sport: "Royston does not have a Facebook page, a Twitter page or a MySpace page. We will be taking legal action against the person who set up this false Royston Drenthe account.

"Royston is definitely staying at Real Madrid. He is happy there, he has spoken to the club directors and is looking forward to the new season at the Bernabeu."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
Daily Mail claiming Maxi's been told he can leave. I'd be surprised seeing as hes just signed and he didnt have the worst World Cup.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1298028/Liverpool-look-offload-midfield-misfit-Maxi-Rodriguez-Espanyol.html

Maxi Rodriguez has been told he can leave Liverpool and is expected to complete a move to Spanish side Espanyol, according to reports in the Catalan press.

New boss Roy Hodgson has deemed the Argentina midfielder surplus to requirements as he rebuilds the Reds' squad but a transfer fee could yet prove a stumbling block in any switch back to his former club, reports El Mundo Deportivo.

Espanyol are seeking a loan deal for Maxi with a view to a permanent move at the end of the season, should the player impress. Liverpool are thought to want a permanent transfer.

However, a deal could go through within a matter of days with the two clubs said to be in advanced talks.
 

Maxi has made just 17 appearances for Liverpool after signing a three-and-a-half-year deal in last season's January transfer window.

He spent three years playing for Espanyol between 2002-2005 before a move to the Vicente Calderon, where he fell out of favour last term before the £1.5million move to Anfield.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 27, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
Thats a shame. I quite liked the idea of Drenthe. He's extremely quick.  But he would set us back close to 10mill the cost of Figueroa and the lad from PSV combined
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2010, 03:24:12 PM
Daily Mail claiming Maxi's been told he can leave. I'd be surprised seeing as hes just signed and he didnt have the worst World Cup.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1298028/Liverpool-look-offload-midfield-misfit-Maxi-Rodriguez-Espanyol.html

Maxi Rodriguez has been told he can leave Liverpool and is expected to complete a move to Spanish side Espanyol, according to reports in the Catalan press.

New boss Roy Hodgson has deemed the Argentina midfielder surplus to requirements as he rebuilds the Reds' squad but a transfer fee could yet prove a stumbling block in any switch back to his former club, reports El Mundo Deportivo.

Espanyol are seeking a loan deal for Maxi with a view to a permanent move at the end of the season, should the player impress. Liverpool are thought to want a permanent transfer.

However, a deal could go through within a matter of days with the two clubs said to be in advanced talks.
 

Maxi has made just 17 appearances for Liverpool after signing a three-and-a-half-year deal in last season's January transfer window.

He spent three years playing for Espanyol between 2002-2005 before a move to the Vicente Calderon, where he fell out of favour last term before the £1.5million move to Anfield.


I can't understand this one. We're going to end up with too many new players trying to gell. The whole left side and cental midfield are enforced changes as it is and enough to be trying to get settled ASAP. We can manage without changing more positions. Squad depth obviously needs addressing as does the quality of the cover, but too many unenforced changes to the starting eleven will see us struggle to begin with and probably long enough to see us out of the running for any of our targetted aims for the season.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 27, 2010, 03:41:47 PM
all media bull.shed.

parker to liverpool?  FFS  the thunderbirds can have him.  He's never been anywhere near liverpool quality.

maxi to leave?...I'll believe it when I see it. 

Woy is a smart cookie.  He isn't gonna build an entirely new first team in his first month in the hotseat.  He knows the importance of continuity....and any revolution will be a smooth one.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 27, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
Didnt realise we were looking at this guy but as Dude says probably tabloid rubbish.

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41340/EXCLUSIVE_Agent_reveals_French_star_will_turn_down_Anfield_move.aspx

Sport.co.uk can reveal that Lyon midfielder Jeremy Toulalan will not be replacing outgoing midfielder Javier Mascherano at Anfield after his agent revealed that the French international will be staying at Olympique Lyonnais.

Toulalan, 26, was a key protagonist in France’s training strike at the World Cup and the midfielder has spoken out in regret of the squad’s actions. Toulalan was reportedly the number 1 target to replace outgoing Argentine international Javier Mascherano, however the defensive midfielder has ruled himself out of the running to replace Mascherano at Anfield.

The French midfielder has been perennially dubbed the successor to both Patrick Vieira and Claude Makelele, while being watched by a number of top clubs, including Arsenal, who had Chief French scout Gilles Grimandi monitor the player on a number of occasions.

The player’s agent Michael Manuello told Sport.co.uk in response to the Liverpool transfer report:

“No there is nothing in it. He will be staying at Lyon this summer.”

Manager Roy Hodgson will have to turn to alternative options int he transfer market, with West Ham's Scott Parker now being linked with a move to Anfield.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2010, 09:41:59 PM
Didnt realise we were looking at this guy but as Dude says probably tabloid rubbish.

http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/41340/EXCLUSIVE_Agent_reveals_French_star_will_turn_down_Anfield_move.aspx

Sport.co.uk can reveal that Lyon midfielder Jeremy Toulalan will not be replacing outgoing midfielder Javier Mascherano at Anfield after his agent revealed that the French international will be staying at Olympique Lyonnais.

Toulalan, 26, was a key protagonist in France’s training strike at the World Cup and the midfielder has spoken out in regret of the squad’s actions. Toulalan was reportedly the number 1 target to replace outgoing Argentine international Javier Mascherano, however the defensive midfielder has ruled himself out of the running to replace Mascherano at Anfield.

The French midfielder has been perennially dubbed the successor to both Patrick Vieira and Claude Makelele, while being watched by a number of top clubs, including Arsenal, who had Chief French scout Gilles Grimandi monitor the player on a number of occasions.

The player’s agent Michael Manuello told Sport.co.uk in response to the Liverpool transfer report:

“No there is nothing in it. He will be staying at Lyon this summer.”

Manager Roy Hodgson will have to turn to alternative options int he transfer market, with West Ham's Scott Parker now being linked with a move to Anfield.

Never quite saw what all the fuss was about with him.

Still he's aleady got his own song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNO6pAJBCs4



Sorry about the YTM, but I love this song.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2010, 11:18:50 PM
Insua's Viola move in doubt

Last updated: 27th July 2010



Liverpool defender Emiliano Insua's move to Fiorentina is in danger of falling through, according to the Serie A club.

Fiorentina fear the player's wage demands could put the Argentine's switch to the Artemio Franchi in jeopardy.

Insua seemed set to leave Liverpool after Fiorentina agreed an undisclosed fee with the Merseyside side for the left-back.

However, Fiorentina sporting director Pantaleo Corvino has warned Insua that he might have to take a drop in wages to tie up the move to Italy.

"We have an agreement with the English club, but we have to find an understanding with the player in terms of wages," Corvino told Quotidianopuglia.it.

"We cannot guarantee him the figures that he gets at Liverpool."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6282213,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6282213,00.html)


Could it be a blessing in disguise or will it stop us buying another left back, which we need even if he stays?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 27, 2010, 11:24:36 PM
Liverpool table £2.75m offer to sign Aston Villa's Luke Young


Stuart James guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 27 July 2010 22.30 BST




 
Liverpool have made a surprise move for the Aston Villa full-back Luke Young. Roy Hodgson, the Liverpool manager, tried to sign Young earlier this year when he was in charge of Fulham and he has now rekindled his interest in the former England international. Liverpool have agreed a £2.5m fee for a player who has been told he is surplus to requirements at Villa Park.

Although Hodgson's pursuit of Young might raise a few eyebrows among Liverpool supporters, the 31-year-old is able to operate in both full-back positions and was asked to represent England as recently as last November, when Fabio Capello failed to persuade the defender to reverse the decision he made earlier that year to retire from international football with seven caps to his name. He would also increase Liverpool's quota of homegrown players to comply with the new Premier League rule.

Liverpool are also short of options in the full-back positions because Emiliano Insúa is set to join Fiorentina and Fábio Aurélio has left the club on a free transfer. Philipp Degen, the Switzerland right-back, has also been told that he can look for another club after meeting with Hodgson last week.

Villa have been keen to offload Young as he is one of the club's higher earners and has three years remaining on his contract. Sunderland had also expressed an interest in signing Young this summer but were unable to match his personal terms.

Villa's decision to make Young available for transfer came as a disappointment to many of the club's supporters. Having joined Villa from Middlesbrough in a £5.5m deal two years ago, Young performed well in his first season but his start to the following campaign was curtailed through a combination of injury and personal tragedy, when Andre, his 17-year-old half-brother, was found dead on holiday.

Young eventually came back into the Villa side but made only 14 Premier League starts and was ultimately unable to dislodge Carlos Cuéllar, an orthodox central defender, from the right-back position. He remained a popular figure among the Villa supporters, however, and was given a standing ovation when he appeared as a substitute against Blackburn Rovers in the final match of the season.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/27/liverpool-luke-young-aston-villa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/27/liverpool-luke-young-aston-villa)

On the face of it, it's a rather underwhelming prospect but if the manager can do for Luke Young what he did for Danny Murphy, Damien Duff and Bobby Zamora at Fulham, we might be onto something here.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 28, 2010, 12:27:46 AM
Liverpool table £2.75m offer to sign Aston Villa's Luke Young


Stuart James guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 27 July 2010 22.30 BST




 
Liverpool have made a surprise move for the Aston Villa full-back Luke Young. Roy Hodgson, the Liverpool manager, tried to sign Young earlier this year when he was in charge of Fulham and he has now rekindled his interest in the former England international. Liverpool have agreed a £2.5m fee for a player who has been told he is surplus to requirements at Villa Park.

Although Hodgson's pursuit of Young might raise a few eyebrows among Liverpool supporters, the 31-year-old is able to operate in both full-back positions and was asked to represent England as recently as last November, when Fabio Capello failed to persuade the defender to reverse the decision he made earlier that year to retire from international football with seven caps to his name. He would also increase Liverpool's quota of homegrown players to comply with the new Premier League rule.

Liverpool are also short of options in the full-back positions because Emiliano Insúa is set to join Fiorentina and Fábio Aurélio has left the club on a free transfer. Philipp Degen, the Switzerland right-back, has also been told that he can look for another club after meeting with Hodgson last week.

Villa have been keen to offload Young as he is one of the club's higher earners and has three years remaining on his contract. Sunderland had also expressed an interest in signing Young this summer but were unable to match his personal terms.

Villa's decision to make Young available for transfer came as a disappointment to many of the club's supporters. Having joined Villa from Middlesbrough in a £5.5m deal two years ago, Young performed well in his first season but his start to the following campaign was curtailed through a combination of injury and personal tragedy, when Andre, his 17-year-old half-brother, was found dead on holiday.

Young eventually came back into the Villa side but made only 14 Premier League starts and was ultimately unable to dislodge Carlos Cuéllar, an orthodox central defender, from the right-back position. He remained a popular figure among the Villa supporters, however, and was given a standing ovation when he appeared as a substitute against Blackburn Rovers in the final match of the season.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/27/liverpool-luke-young-aston-villa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/27/liverpool-luke-young-aston-villa)

On the face of it, it's a rather underwhelming prospect but if the manager can do for Luke Young what he did for Danny Murphy, Damien Duff and Bobby Zamora at Fulham, we might be onto something here.

Sweet J*sus.

I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

This is one of those situations I'd rather use the likes of Kelly or Darby or Carra than fork out 2.5 million.

At least he cant be any worse than Degen i suppose.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2010, 12:36:35 AM
Sweet J*sus.

I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

This is one of those situations I'd rather use the likes of Kelly or Darby or Carra than fork out 2.5 million.

At least he cant be any worse than Degen i suppose.

As he can play left back apparently, I would hope he's more of a cover player in that position. Although Kelly is primarily a centre half, he's also looked the part playing right back and playing him there occasionally whilst playing as a centre half for the reserves will benefit his footballing education. How many centre halves do you see struggle when they have to cover across in wider positions.

Alternatively, he could be seen as a squad player to play either fullback position (if Kelly's injured, like last season) in the Europa, League and FA Cups, meaning Johnson or the new first choice left back is kept fresher for the league. Also, we have a lot of Internationals at the club (see the numbers at the World Cup) and again players like Young could be useful.

Or I'm just trying to keep myself from crying.  :'(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 28, 2010, 01:14:31 AM

Or I'm just trying to keep myself from crying.  :'(

Lol, hopefully theres a method to Hodgsons madness.

Who knows he may be a good cover signing. And if we are going to waste our money I'd prefer to do it on British players who speak English than foreign players with unhappy missuses that dont.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2010, 08:06:39 AM
Lol, hopefully theres a method to Hodgsons madness.

Who knows he may be a good cover signing. And if we are going to waste our money I'd prefer to do it on British players who speak English than foreign players with unhappy missuses that dont.

I guess we'll see Hodgson's intentions when the 25 man squad is named (not sure when that is).
If he were to play Europa, League Cup, early rounds of FA Cup and possibly the odd league game (depending on opposition) immediately after International games, it could help keep the core league players (full backs) fresher for the league challenge ahead.*





*Still got the Kleenex at the ready.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Gurdeep on July 28, 2010, 08:38:07 AM
I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

Never been a fan of his but I'm not surprised at the type of player we are going for, bargain basement.

I'm sure Torres feels the same as us!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 28, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
When i heard we'd agreed a fee with Villa for Young i couldnt believe it. Why would Villa want to sell one of their best players when Milner might go aswell? Then i realised it was Luke not Ashley!! I've had a few texts from Villa fans already saying 'what is the world coming to when you have our rejects'!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :o :o :o :o :'( :'( :'( :(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2010, 12:25:00 PM
All we can pray for his that the manager has the same effect on Luke Young as he had on Murphy, Duff and Zamora at Fulham.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on July 28, 2010, 04:46:36 PM
he's only costing us 2.5 million. 

he would have had more than his 7 england caps, if he had not retired from international football.

he was a very popular player at villa park. 

my only issue would be that the lad is 31 years old and more specifically, he is more a right full back, not a left one.  He doesn't feel entirely comfortable on the left side.  If he's been brought in for the left, I would have some concerns.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 28, 2010, 05:49:53 PM
I can only see him signing as a left back.we've got Johnson,kelly and even carra could play there if we're struggling where as we've only got Darby at left back at the moment.I like the idea of Mr Woy signing players with premiership experiance but not right backs playing on the left
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 28, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
I can see the sense in buying him if he's just there as a squad player covering injured or rested players but he does seem alittle old to strengthen the squad. Maybe a two year contract would be OK. We really need an out n out left back of some quality... thing is can we find one at a good price ?? Maybe he's struggling to get his real targets and is forced to buy a lesser left back and thus is covering all bases buy aquiring an experienced prem/international player as extra cover (2.5 mill isn't a bad price for an English player of his experience).

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
I can only see him signing as a left back.we've got Johnson,kelly and even carra could play there if we're struggling where as we've only got Darby at left back at the moment.I like the idea of Mr Woy signing players with premiership experiance but not right backs playing on the left

Darby also falls into that catagory.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
I can see the sense in buying him if he's just there as a squad player covering injured or rested players but he does seem alittle old to strengthen the squad. Maybe a two year contract would be OK. We really need an out n out left back of some quality... thing is can we find one at a good price ?? Maybe he's struggling to get his real targets and is forced to buy a lesser left back and thus is covering all bases buy aquiring an experienced prem/international player as extra cover (2.5 mill isn't a bad price for an English player of his experience).

Jas


We need to keep one eye on this new rule so sifting through the squad an English/Welsh left back would be ideal, however, you're more likely to tread in rocking horse manure than find one of them at an affordable price.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 28, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
Hodgson silent on Young transfer rumours

Wednesday, July 28, 2010 - 07:40 PM



Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson tonight refused to comment on reports he has made a bid for Aston Villa's Luke Young.

Villa manager Martin O'Neill has revealed the defender is considering an approach from an unnamed club.

Sources close to Villa Park have indicated that the offer has come from Anfield but Hodgson would not be drawn when questioned at a press conference for tomorrow's Europa League qualifier against FK Rabotnicki.

Hodgson did speak at length about the game in Macedonia - his first competitive fixture since taking charge - but appeared agitated when the subject changed to other matters.

When asked about Young and on rumours linking winger Maxi Rodriguez with a return to Espanyol, the 62-year-old said: "They are not playing tomorrow."

Hodgson was also unhappy when asked if reports that Emiliano Insua's proposed move to Fiorentina had hit a snag were true.

"No information to be given about that," he said.

When another question was asked about the difficulties of trying to sign English players - to comply with new Premier League squad rules - in the current market, Hodgson decided to make a firm point.

He said: "We're changing the subject. I don't think it's right in a room full of Macedonian journalists to be talking about things like homegrown rules and English players.

"I think we should be talking about the game, because that is what interests people.

"The subjects you are bringing up now are subjects for a future press conference.

"It is quite important in these last seven minutes that the questions I try to answer - and I gladly will for the Macedonians - will be about the football match tomorrow and not things like systems of play and future transfer targets or the long-term future of English football."

The proposed deal for Young is believed to be worth just over half the £5m he cost when he joined Villa from Middlesbrough two years ago.

The 31-year-old, who began his career at Tottenham and later joined Charlton, had limited first-team opportunities last season after losing his right-back slot to Carlos Cuellar.

Moving to Merseyside would bring him into competition with current England right-back Glen Johnson but his versatility could see him deployed on the left.

Hodgson is looking for a new left-back with Insua available for sale and Fabio Aurelio having been released.

Young has played in the position on several occasions under O'Neill in preference to Nicky Shorey.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/hodgson-silent-on-young-transfer-rumours-467196.html#ixzz0v0VTQ1uU


http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/hodgson-silent-on-young-transfer-rumours-467196.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/hodgson-silent-on-young-transfer-rumours-467196.html)

At least we have one person on the management side at the club that seems to understand 'the Liverpool Way'. If nothing else, we have a classy man as our manager.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 28, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
If these rumours are true I don't understand why Roy would go for another RB when we already have Johnson and Kelly as an excellent apprentice.

I wonder if he's considering moving Johnson forward to RH and slotting Young in at RB. That might ease Kuyt's workload who's stamina amazes me but he can't go on forever.

But we really need a LB and soon!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2010, 12:44:25 AM
If these rumours are true I don't understand why Roy would go for another RB when we already have Johnson and Kelly as an excellent apprentice.

I wonder if he's considering moving Johnson forward to RH and slotting Young in at RB. That might ease Kuyt's workload who's stamina amazes me but he can't go on forever.

But we really need a LB and soon!

ASI, you're showing your age referring to that position as RH (right half for those of you that aren't of ASI's, Dude's and my generation).  ;D

2,3,5 - now that was a formation.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 29, 2010, 10:21:48 AM
Don't think this is likely and hope it's not true but.....

- Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is already lining up a replacement for Javier Mascherano and believes Aston Villa's £7 million-rated midfielder Stiliyan Petrov is the man to do the job (Daily Mirror)

I'm assuming all these players we're linked with are just paper talk. I have to say though that these players do appear to be of very average quality so I hope this ISN'T our level of ambition.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2010, 10:47:04 AM
Don't think this is likely and hope it's not true but.....

- Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is already lining up a replacement for Javier Mascherano and believes Aston Villa's £7 million-rated midfielder Stiliyan Petrov is the man to do the job (Daily Mirror)

I'm assuming all these players we're linked with are just paper talk. I have to say though that these players do appear to be of very average quality so I hope this ISN'T our level of ambition.

Jas

I think it's an Alan 'never been right yet' Nixon piece, so I wouldn't worry too much Jas. It feels like we're becoming a clone of Aston Villa though with all the 'middle table' names we're being linked with. I'd rather we were finding the next Hyypia or Arbeloa types (buying cheaply and developing them into top quality players) than being linked constantly with mediocrity.

It's about time we had some proper football journalists in this country.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 29, 2010, 10:51:37 AM
The luke young story isn't paper talk unfortunately.if villa give him a golden handshake because he'll be on less money with us, he'll sign.hopefully they'll give him a golden shower instead!!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 29, 2010, 12:08:38 PM
The luke young story isn't paper talk unfortunately.if villa give him a golden handshake because he'll be on less money with us, he'll sign.hopefully they'll give him a golden shower instead!!!!

I doubt the Goblin even knows what one is, he just doesn't seem the type to go in for watersports. Maybe Deadly Doug will come back and do the honours.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 29, 2010, 12:38:09 PM
I doubt the Goblin even knows what one is, he just doesn't seem the type to go in for watersports. Maybe Deadly Doug will come back and do the honours.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 29, 2010, 03:44:27 PM
The luke young story isn't paper talk unfortunately.if villa give him a golden handshake because he'll be on less money with us, he'll sign.hopefully they'll give him a golden shower instead!!!!

You could be in luck Kopite SSN are reporting (wait for it) that Young has turned us down. He doesnt want to move his family up North.

That shows ambition!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 29, 2010, 03:48:25 PM
As for Petrov, I would have preferred to have signed his namesake Martin for nothing than sign Stilian for 7 million.

Someone needs to phone Roy and tell him to chalk an interest in Flamini or the likes.

Unless he is attempting to sign Ashley Young hopefully Roys recent obsession with Villa is over.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 29, 2010, 03:50:47 PM
The family bit sounds like a cover story to me because Villa wont give him his golden handshake
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 29, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
The family bit sounds like a cover story to me because Villa wont give him his golden handshake

Also hes probably on about 50 grand a week at Villa and we were probably only offering 15.

Not bad dough for keeping the bench warm.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: HarryHole on July 29, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
Wish RH would try to get his old player from Fulham, Brede Hangeland. Would also like to see Peter Crouch back in the red shirt.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 29, 2010, 05:27:03 PM
Coulnt agree with you more about Hangeland. Last season we missed a tall powerful traditional centre half.hope I haven't disrespected the big Greek too much
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on July 30, 2010, 01:35:44 PM
Also hes probably on about 50 grand a week at Villa and we were probably only offering 15.

Not bad dough for keeping the bench warm.

young was offered 10k less by liverpool (for a 32 yr old mind)..so its so much nicer to sit on yer bottom for 47k rather than 37k! If there are any premiership managers reading this, i will happily sit on a frozen bench midwinter in siberia at minus 46 centigrade for 37k ....no worries...
i think the new 25 player rule is a glorious thing...the end (eventually) of overpriced spidermonkeys sitting doing nowt in a profession that most of us would gladly cut off our left hand to have the privilege of playing...

thank feck we dodge the young bullet...oh and a personal message to young...get a job you twit!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 30, 2010, 02:13:15 PM

i think the new 25 player rule is a glorious thing...the end (eventually) of overpriced spidermonkeys sitting doing nowt in a profession that most of us would gladly cut off our left hand to have the privilege of playing...


I'm not so sure its going to go that way bart. True clubs like Man City wont be able to have huge squads of 40 top players. They will however be able to have 17-19 players (i forget how many exactly) or so of top talent and the remaining 6-8 will be made up of homegrown. What I think that might do is force up the prices of the very best players.

Also its definitely going to up the price of young homegrown players whether they are good bad or indifferent.

This rule is going to cause as many problems as it solves.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on July 30, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
Got to agree with juan. I think the price of home grown players will rise and the price of average foreigners will fall as demand from the premier league falls.simple demand and supply economics.hopefully though we'll see some clubs blooding their youngsters a bit more rather than rushing for the phone and trying to get a cheap foreigner in
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2010, 09:33:50 PM
Wish RH would try to get his old player from Fulham, Brede Hangeland. Would also like to see Peter Crouch back in the red shirt.

Harry, welcome.

Hodgson made an arrangement with Al Fayed not to go back for any of the Fulham players.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 30, 2010, 09:38:35 PM
Roy Hodgson swoops to steal Standard Liege's Steven Defour from under the nose of Sir Alex Ferguson

By Colin Young
Last updated at 8:50 PM on 30th July 2010


As Inter Milan prepare their first bid for unsettled Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano, manager Roy Hodgson has stepped up the search for his replacement.
The Liverpool boss was due to watch Standard Liege midfielder Steven Defour in Belgium last night and is considering a £10million bid for a player who is also a target for Manchester United.

So keen are United on the 22-year-old Belgium international that manager Sir Alex Ferguson wrote him a letter of encouragement when he broke his foot last year and has since kept an eye on his year-long recovery.
With Mascherano expressing his desire to leave Anfield, Hodgson and the Liverpool board will not stand in his way but they are determined not to sell him on the cheap to former boss Rafael Benitez.

The Spaniard and his new employers are prepare for a long fight for the Argentina captain, valued at £25m by Liverpool, and are ready to offer former Portsmouth midfielder Sulley Muntari as part of their first offer this week.
But the Ghana international, a virtual ever-present at Inter under Jose Mourinho, is unlikely to want to quit the San Siro, while Hodgson has his eyes on other options in any case.
Aston Villa’s Stiliyan Petrov is on his radar, along with Juventus midfielder Christian Poulsen.
Another option for Hodgson is to redeploy Brazil midfielder Lucas Leiva, who was recalled for his country this week by new coach Mano Menezes.
He has been captain in Steven Gerrard’s absence for all three games of Hodgson’s tenure, including Thursday’s Europa League triumph in Macedonia.
While Hodgson looks at alternatives to Mascherano, Lucas says he is ready to step into his shoes and fight for the right to keep the position over the coming season.

Lucas said: ‘Of course we all hope Javier stays because he is such a good player but we’ll just have to wait and see over that.
‘I’m not the same player as Javier, we have different styles, but I am ready to play and to impress and do whatever job the manager needs from me.
‘I think I did well last season but I think in this one I can do even better wherever I play. I know I am able to play the role Javier does because last season I played a few games when he was at right back.
‘I’ve got no problem with doing that job - I know I can do it if that is what the manager wants.’

Lucas will hand over the armband when Gerrard returns to the side. England’s World Cup skipper is expected to play at least 45 minutes in a friendly against Borussia Moenchengladbach in Germany tomorrow, along with Joe Cole, Jamie Carragher and Glen Johnson.
It has taken Lucas some time to be accepted at Anfield but his solid start to preseason has not gone unnoticed by Hodgson, who has only worked with a threadbare squad so far.
Lucas added: ‘I know there are a lot of senior players in front of me but I hope I did a good job and that I can stay in the team as well.
‘If everyone’s back for the second leg I’m sure we will be even better. There is a lot of competition for places, but that can only be good for Liverpool and what we want to do this season.

‘We are expecting positive things this season. We’ve got good players who have come, others who are to come back, and hopefully this year will be a lot better than last.’
Meanwhile, UEFA have confirmed they are to investigate claims of racist chants against Liverpool players in Thursday’s 2-0 win over FK Rabotnicki.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1299064/Roy-Hodgson-steal-Steven-Defour-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1299064/Roy-Hodgson-steal-Steven-Defour-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html)

I know it's only The Fail, but please let this be true.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on July 31, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Roy Hodgson swoops to steal Standard Liege's Steven Defour from under the nose of Sir Alex Ferguson

I know it's only The Fail, but please let this be true.

Tes is Defour really that good?

I ask because for a number of years I've heard people talk alot about him but I've only really seen him play a handful of times.

Why has nobody snapped him up by now? I know he got injured in January but even before that.

Well if he is as good as people make out he sounds like he would be 10 million well spent.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 31, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Skysports are claiming we're about to re sign Aurelio, Uncle Woy is a big fan (they say) and wants him back to help fill the gap that has now appeared at LB.

If he could stay fit I wouldn't mind but why bother, only 8 starts in the prem last year !!!

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2010, 08:48:27 PM
Skysports are claiming we're about to re sign Aurelio, Uncle Woy is a big fan (they say) and wants him back to help fill the gap that has now appeared at LB.

If he could stay fit I wouldn't mind but why bother, only 8 starts in the prem last year !!!

Jas

Sums our club up perfectly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 31, 2010, 10:22:29 PM
Apparently he has already signed its says on the LFC.TV site

really can't understand it myself.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 31, 2010, 10:32:51 PM
Yep, it's official and actually I'm quite pleased. One of my abiding memories of him is that crackin' goal he scored against Chelsea in the CL semi-final at SB last year and a sublime free kick against Manure at OT in the March.

It helps keep the money for one or maybe two more quality signings.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 31, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
I like the fella, a good pro and hard worker but it's wages going out to a player who doesn't play more than half a season at best, think we have a few of them already. If the new medical staff can keep him fit it will be a good (re) signing but you have to wonder if he's ever going to do it.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on July 31, 2010, 10:45:51 PM
I hear where you're coming from Wittsy but you have to accept that Roy would have been made aware of his fitness / injury status and wouldn't have resigned him if that was a big risk.

Maybe a 3 month rest has worked wonders for him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on July 31, 2010, 11:05:43 PM
That is true, hopefully he will have no major problems for the two years of his contract. At least we didn't have to pay out for him so we can hopefully get a younger fitter LB and use Aurelio as cover.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on July 31, 2010, 11:27:58 PM
He's probably the best left back we could have hoped to sign and probably the most injury jinxed one aswell. It's swings and roundabouts (and treatment tables).
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 01, 2010, 11:45:37 AM
Insua left in limbo - Argentine full-back sees Serie A switch stall

Last updated: 1st August 2010


Skysports.com understands Liverpool defender Emiliano Insua's move to Fiorentina has fallen through.

Insua was expected to leave Anfield after Liverpool accepted an undisclosed fee from Fiorentina for his services last month

Despite fears over the player's personal demands it was thought Insua would tie up a move to Artemio Franchi next week.

However, it appears both parties have been unable to reach a compromise and the deal is now very much in the balance.

It is believed Insua has linked up with the Liverpool squad in Germany for Sunday's clash with Borussia Monchengladbach after failing to agree terms with the Viola.

It remains to be seen if Fiorentina will come back in with a new offer to try and push through the move before the close of the transfer window.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6289597,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6289597,00.html)

So let's keep him and develop him. Maybe his lack pace could prove to be a problem against wingers who simply 'push and go' but all other faults can be worked on and improved. I can't ever see him being world class but with hard work he could become a very solid full back.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 01, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
Liverpool to make shock Parker swoop - Exclusive

Published 23:00 31/07/10  By Steve Stammers


Liverpool are set to make an £8million bid for Scott Parker.

Anfield boss Roy Hodgson has pinpointed the West Ham midfielder as the man to replace Javier ­Mascherano, who is set to join Inter Milan in a £20m deal.

The Hammers ­hierarchy have ­insisted that Parker is the one player they will not sell this summer.

“Not at any price,” said chairman David ­Sullivan.

That has not stopped Tottenham declaring their interest.

And just as Liverpool allowed Spurs and ­Arsenal to make the running in the ­pursuit of Joe Cole, before stealing their thunder, they are poised to strike again with Parker. The key issue is whether West Ham will relax their tough stance.

The Upton Park club have been boosted by the news that Robert Green wants to stay and they are likely to start talks soon with ­Matthew Upson about a new contract.

Upson’s current deal ­expires at the end of this season and he would ­qualify for a free transfer but West Ham want to avoid that scenario.

Meanwhile, Hodgson’s attempts to land Christian Poulsen have been given a boost after the Juventus midfielder’s agent said it was an “honour” to be linked with Liverpool.

Joern Bonnesen, his agent, said: “There has not been any contact and there is not much more that can be said ­until there has been, but we know there’s an interest from them.”



http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-are-lining-up-Scott-Parker-for-8m-and-also-Christian-Poulsen-article542791.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-are-lining-up-Scott-Parker-for-8m-and-also-Christian-Poulsen-article542791.html)


I think we can safely file this under 'bound to fail'.

What's interesting is that all these midfielders we are being linked with aren't the destroyer type like Masch. They are more you're traditional type of central midfielder, players who can 'put their foot in' but who also offer a greater degree of creativity than Masch is given credit as possessing.
It probably allows for a better blend and against the 'park the bus' lot we could get an extra body going forward.

I hate to say it but the Mancs have never done too badly with a more rounded pair of midfielders. Carrick and Fletcher types have hardly let them down in recent seasons.

It would certainly help us if our central midfield were able to win the ball higher up the pitch but also had the ability to pick and play a telling pass in addition.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2010, 05:46:16 PM
Anfield flop Philipp Degen's Liverpool nightmare to be ended with £1.5m switch to Stuttgart

By Sportsmail Reporter  Last updated at 12:28 PM on 4th August 2010


Liverpool  flop Philipp Degen is on his way out of Anfield with German club Stuttgart claiming they have agreed personal terms with the defender.

The Switzerland international was told by manager Roy Hodgson he had no future on Merseyside, leaving him free to find a new club.

Stuttgart promptly discussed a return to Germany for the 27-year-old former Borussia Dortmund star and the Bundesliga outfit will now offer the Reds £1.5million to secure his signature.

'We have reached an agreement with the player (Degen),' Stuttgart sporting director Jochen Schneider told German daily Bild.

'The player wants to join our club.'

Degen arrived at Anfield on free transfer two years ago under former boss Rafael Benitez.

But the full-back failed to hold down a first team place making just ten appearances.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1300268/Philipp-Degens-Liverpool-nightmare-ended-Stuttgart.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1300268/Philipp-Degens-Liverpool-nightmare-ended-Stuttgart.html)

Hopefully (though it's doubtful), this is true and it's a permanent transfer and not a loan as was suggested earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 04, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
Anfield flop Philipp Degen's Liverpool nightmare to be ended with £1.5m switch to Stuttgart

By Sportsmail Reporter  Last updated at 12:28 PM on 4th August 2010


Liverpool  flop Philipp Degen is on his way out of Anfield with German club Stuttgart claiming they have agreed personal terms with the defender.

The Switzerland international was told by manager Roy Hodgson he had no future on Merseyside, leaving him free to find a new club.

Stuttgart promptly discussed a return to Germany for the 27-year-old former Borussia Dortmund star and the Bundesliga outfit will now offer the Reds £1.5million to secure his signature.

'We have reached an agreement with the player (Degen),' Stuttgart sporting director Jochen Schneider told German daily Bild.

'The player wants to join our club.'

Degen arrived at Anfield on free transfer two years ago under former boss Rafael Benitez.

But the full-back failed to hold down a first team place making just ten appearances.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1300268/Philipp-Degens-Liverpool-nightmare-ended-Stuttgart.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1300268/Philipp-Degens-Liverpool-nightmare-ended-Stuttgart.html)

Hopefully (though it's doubtful), this is true and it's a permanent transfer and not a loan as was suggested earlier in the week.

From the word go I never thought Degen was going to be a successful free signing.

His injury record should have seen Rafa steer clear.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 04, 2010, 07:17:33 PM
Heres another player I dont hold out a lot of hope to be a success. Not being negative, I just think he will prove to be an average midfielder an no better than is here. I hope he makes he eat my words but I doubt it.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6294798,00.html

Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson has admitted he is interested in signing Juventus' Danish midfielder Christian Poulsen.

The Reds have been strongly linked with a move for Poulsen as they consider replacements for wantaway midfielder Javier Mascherano.

Juventus are thought to be willing to let Poulsen move on as he is currently down the pecking order in new coach Luigi Del Neri's plans.

Hodgson is a big fan of Poulsen having worked with him during his time in charge of FC Copenhagen and he feels he would be a valuable addition to his squad at Anfield.

"If we can sign him from Juventus at a price I consider reasonable, he will be a very good player to bring into our team," Hodgson told Ekstra Bladet.

"Christian is a player I know well, a player whose career I actually kick-started many years ago and I have followed him closely ever since."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 04, 2010, 09:19:21 PM
Short term stop gap. The alternatives may be slightly more expensive but that's because they're better and younger. We'll now have two 30y.o midfielders needing replacing, instead of bringing in someone who can do Masch's job but equally could eventually replace Gerrard, as none of the others are simply destroyer types.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on August 05, 2010, 12:52:15 AM
yes, Poulson hardly inspires the imagination.

but then again, Monster was pretty cr.ap last season....so the new lad must be better than that.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 06, 2010, 12:58:18 AM
yes, Poulson hardly inspires the imagination.

but then again, Monster was pretty cr.ap last season....so the new lad must be better than that.


Unfortunately not. I'm surprised Fat Sham or Stoke haven't gone for him. He'd fit right in at either club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on August 06, 2010, 04:24:05 PM
OK I haven't seen alot about him but to me he's Robby Savage but doesn't pass as much and is uglier..... is that good....... no.

Yes he's combative but he'll fail to boss the midfield the same way over here and will likely just give away alot of free kicks in our half. I'd rather we left it to Lucas.

The guy is 30 for gods sake, play like that here and he'll end up on the medical table more than on the pitch, it's faster and harder.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2010, 12:39:08 AM
........... it's faster and harder.

Jas

Actually it's harder, faster


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAIda65XhYI&feature=related



"Suck me, suck me, eat me raw."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 07, 2010, 09:39:10 AM
Someone is getting carried away with themselves. Barca have lost out on Cesc so its time to start unsettling someone else. As good as Barca are I think if Liverpool were to start challenging this is the only place Nando would want to be.

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Liverpool-striker-Fernando-Torres-was-waiting-for-Barcelona-move-until-last-minute/9370/

According to Mundo Deportivo, the Spaniard did not want to join Manchester City or Chelsea - who bid £40 million for the player as well as reportedly offering him a huge contract.

Citing a close friend of both Barcelona President Sandro Rosell and Torres – an associate who was said to be responsible for talking to the player – the paper said contact was first made with the striker before the new Nou Camp chief was elected.

Torres was said to be “excited” by the possibility of a transfer to the Catalan club, although it later emerged that Barcelona would only make a move for the 26-year-old should Zlatan Ibrahimovic leave the Nou Camp.

And according to the report, only when it became apparent that the Swede was staying put, did Torres commit his future to Liverpool.

Nevertheless, the paper added that in fact, the Catalan club has not closed its lines of communication with Manchester City and AC Milan over the possible sale of the Ibrahimovic.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 07, 2010, 09:44:59 AM
And the hilarity continues......


I wont paste the story itself because its from the s*n but they claim Arsenal are going to offer 23 million for Pepe Reina.

Why waste their own time.

That's one of those offers to make themselves look like they can compete with Chelsea and City  with the big money even though they know there is not a chance of it happening.

Show their intentions to Cesc for another season before going on to sign Mark Schwarzer
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2010, 09:55:37 AM
Someone is getting carried away with themselves. Barca have lost out on Cesc so its time to start unsettling someone else. As good as Barca are I think if Liverpool were to start challenging this is the only place Nando would want to be.

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Liverpool-striker-Fernando-Torres-was-waiting-for-Barcelona-move-until-last-minute/9370/

According to Mundo Deportivo, the Spaniard did not want to join Manchester City or Chelsea - who bid £40 million for the player as well as reportedly offering him a huge contract.

Citing a close friend of both Barcelona President Sandro Rosell and Torres – an associate who was said to be responsible for talking to the player – the paper said contact was first made with the striker before the new Nou Camp chief was elected.

Torres was said to be “excited” by the possibility of a transfer to the Catalan club, although it later emerged that Barcelona would only make a move for the 26-year-old should Zlatan Ibrahimovic leave the Nou Camp.

And according to the report, only when it became apparent that the Swede was staying put, did Torres commit his future to Liverpool.

Nevertheless, the paper added that in fact, the Catalan club has not closed its lines of communication with Manchester City and AC Milan over the possible sale of the Ibrahimovic.



Considering our situation it's hardly surprising that Torres would think about Barca.
World class players want to win things and as fans so do we. Unfortunately we can't improve our chances by transferring to another team.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 07, 2010, 09:59:57 AM
Considering our situation it's hardly surprising that Torres would think about Barca.
World class players want to win things and as fans so do we. Unfortunately we can't improve our chances by transferring to another team.

I know what you mean Tes. But regarding that article it loses credibility for me when it says Torres only committed to Liverpool when he knew Ibrahimovich wasnt going to leave. I dont buy that. If Barca were going to buy Torres I think they would do it and worry about trying to sell Ibrah later.

Man City would definitely taken him for 20 or 30 million.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2010, 11:01:27 AM
I know what you mean Tes. But regarding that article it loses credibility for me when it says Torres only committed to Liverpool when he knew Ibrahimovich wasnt going to leave. I dont buy that. If Barca were going to buy Torres I think they would do it and worry about trying to sell Ibrah later.

Man City would definitely taken him for 20 or 30 million.

And there's been no sniff of any Ibrahimovich move anyway. Even City haven't been linked in any sustained way with him. Guardiola's also come out and said the Swede is in his plans. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2010, 11:42:45 AM
Heres another player I dont hold out a lot of hope to be a success. Not being negative, I just think he will prove to be an average midfielder an no better than is here. I hope he makes he eat my words but I doubt it.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6294798,00.html

Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson has admitted he is interested in signing Juventus' Danish midfielder Christian Poulsen.

The Reds have been strongly linked with a move for Poulsen as they consider replacements for wantaway midfielder Javier Mascherano.

Juventus are thought to be willing to let Poulsen move on as he is currently down the pecking order in new coach Luigi Del Neri's plans.

Hodgson is a big fan of Poulsen having worked with him during his time in charge of FC Copenhagen and he feels he would be a valuable addition to his squad at Anfield.

"If we can sign him from Juventus at a price I consider reasonable, he will be a very good player to bring into our team," Hodgson told Ekstra Bladet.

"Christian is a player I know well, a player whose career I actually kick-started many years ago and I have followed him closely ever since."

I'd rather we used a combination of Lucas and Gerrard centrally.

It would be better to use Spearing rather than blow £4M+ on Poulsen. Poulsen wouldn't be that much of an improvement on Spearing and the money would be better spent at left back or going towards cover for Nando.

If we're not going to spend Defour/ Banega / De Jong / Diarra(s)  type money on a defensive midfielder then let's see if we can get Mark Noble from West Ham. Poulsen should be way, way down the list. I'd prefer Momo back from Juve or even see what Roy can make of Plessis, who is really a similar player to the Dane.

This move really isn't using our resources, both financial and playing, very sensibly.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on August 07, 2010, 01:00:02 PM
Actually it's harder, faster


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAIda65XhYI&feature=related



"Suck me, suck me, eat me raw."

Haha can't better a bit of WASP, I'd rather Mr Lawless sign than Poulsen even if he is about 50 with a beer belly hanging out of his spandex LOL
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2010, 11:39:22 PM
Haha can't better a bit of WASP, I'd rather Mr Lawless sign than Poulsen even if he is about 50 with a beer belly hanging out of his spandex LOL

And all ten foot of Chris Holmes at centre half. He'd make Soto look like a pussy cat.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 07, 2010, 11:44:24 PM
Talking of ten foot:


Roy Hodgson lines up £10m raid to bring Peter Crouch back to Anfield

By Joe Bernstein   Last updated at 11:09 PM on 7th August 2010



Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson wants to take Peter Crouch back to Anfield two years after he was shown the door by Rafa Benitez.
Hodgson has made solving Liverpool’s striker shortage his priority and is ready to test Harry Redknapp’s resolve to keep Crouch at Tottenham with a £10million offer.
Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher, who played with Crouch at Anfield, have sung his praises to their new manager and Hodgson believes the 6ft 7in England international would be able to either play alongside Fernando Torres or step in whenever the Spaniard is injured or needs a rest.

Despite Liverpool’s financial problems with the club currently up for sale, Hodgson will be given money for a new striker if Javier Mascherano rejoins Benitez, now in charge at Inter Milan, in a £20m deal or signs for Barcelona.

He is keen to continue bolstering the English contingent in his squad, having already signed Joe Cole from Chelsea on a Bosman.

Intriguingly, Crouch may be tempted by the opportunity to complete unfinished business at Anfield despite the lure of Champions League football at Spurs.

He helped Liverpool win the FA Cup and reach the Champions League final in three seasons at the club but was sold by Benitez to Portsmouth in 2008 to make way for Robbie Keane.
However, the success of Hodgson’s mission would still depend on the attitude of Tottenham boss Redknapp. He has managed Crouch at three clubs - Southampton, Portsmouth and Spurs - and would only sell if chairman Daniel Levy backs his plans to bring in other targets Ashley Young of Aston Villa, Sevilla’s Brazil striker Luis Fabiano, AC Milan’s Klaas Jan Huntelaar and Craig Bellamy of Manchester City.
Redknapp has so far been frustrated in the transfer market, with Levy waiting to see if Spurs beat Young Boys of Berne in a two-leg qualifying round later this month to reach the Champions League group stage.
Spurs want to reduce their squad but have not been able to so far shift players like David Bentley, Jermaine Jenas and Roman Pavlyuchenko, who are surplus to requirements.

However, Keane is still likely to go to Aston Villa once their sale of James Milner to Manchester City is completed.
Crouch has been in demand throughout his career and will be keen to have a good season after a disappointing World Cup in which manager Fabio Capello preferred to partner Wayne Rooney with Emile Heskey or Jermain Defoe despite Crouch’s 21 goals for England.
Hodgson also has to deal with the interest of Barcelona, who may turn their attention to midfielder Mascherano after missing out on Cesc Fabregas.

The Spanish champions are being encouraged by Lionel Messi to make a move for his Argentina team-mate who would add steel alongside the dazzling attacking talent at the Nou Camp.
Barca were priced out of the market for Fabregas but Liverpool would be willing to listen to offers of £20-25m as they know Mascherano is keen to leave Merseyside for family reasons.
Inter manager Benitez is also keen on being reunited with Mascherano but has to wait until Mario Balotelli or Maicon are sold before he can launch a bid.
Liverpool hope two European giants competing for Mascherano will lead to a higher sale price. They would also see it as poetic justice if Benitez missed out on Mascherano after his acrimonious relations with the club hierarchy in the final few months of his time at Liverpool.
Mascherano has been a popular figure at Anfield since arriving from West Ham in 2008 but his wife has failed to settle in the north-west and the 26-year-old has wanted to quit for southern Europe for the past 12 months.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1301217/Roy-Hodgson-ready-stage-10m-raid-bring-Peter-Crouch-Anfield.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1301217/Roy-Hodgson-ready-stage-10m-raid-bring-Peter-Crouch-Anfield.html)

I'm really not sure about going backwards to go forwards.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 08, 2010, 02:09:11 AM
I'd rather we used a combination of Lucas and Gerrard centrally.

It would be better to use Spearing rather than blow £4M+ on Poulsen. Poulsen wouldn't be that much of an improvement on Spearing and the money would be better spent at left back or going towards cover for Nando.

If we're not going to spend Defour/ Banega / De Jong / Diarra(s)  type money on a defensive midfielder then let's see if we can get Mark Noble from West Ham. Poulsen should be way, way down the list. I'd prefer Momo back from Juve or even see what Roy can make of Plessis, who is really a similar player to the Dane.

This move really isn't using our resources, both financial and playing, very sensibly.

Yes it definitely doesnt improve on what we've got so why waste one of your 17 squad places.

Some managers just tend to spend the money because its there.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2010, 06:56:37 PM
Yes it definitely doesnt improve on what we've got so why waste one of your 17 squad places.

Some managers just tend to spend the money because its there.

Exactly. That should always be the yardstick. Is the potential target better than a first choice player or better at least than a player who regularly makes up the matchday squad of 18. If not, then don't buy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 08, 2010, 08:34:02 PM
12 million for 29 year old Crouch is too much. I would prefer Hodgson to pay 12 million taking a chance on Remy than paying 12 million for a striker although we know hes solid is never going to be anything more than a squad player.  The fact that Harry is considering selling one to buy the other is enough for me to know where I'd like to see the money spent.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1301352/Redknapps-ready-offload-Peter-Crouch-Loic-Remy-issues-come-plea-Spurs.html

Harry Redknapp is considering allowing striker Peter Crouch to rejoin Liverpool so he can free up a move for Nice forward Loic Remy.

A potential stalling point is Spurs wanting at least £12million for the 29-year-old, who scored 13 goals for the club last season.

Remy is keen to move to White Hart Lane instead of Stoke or  West Ham but is desperate for  Nice to drop his £13m price tag.

The 23-year-old said: ‘A move to Spurs would be interesting. Stoke is not the move that I want. Nice are in real need of money and adapt the price to help sell me.’


Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on August 08, 2010, 08:44:26 PM
tough call, Juan.

Crouch is a top notch proven premiership and international class striker, and with his height, unmarkable.

I'd not pay more than harry paid for him tho - something around 9 million.

Interesting aside - the papers today all cr.ap over rafa, saying he forced Crouch out of anfield.  What a fecken load of crap.  Libellous crap.  Rafa should sue the lot of them.

Their vendetta against Rafa, and other foreign bosses, has to end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 08, 2010, 10:31:46 PM
tough call, Juan.

Crouch is a top notch proven premiership and international class striker, and with his height, unmarkable.

I'd not pay more than harry paid for him tho - something around 9 million.

Interesting aside - the papers today all cr.ap over rafa, saying he forced Crouch out of anfield.  What a fecken load of crap.  Libellous crap.  Rafa should sue the lot of them.

Their vendetta against Rafa, and other foreign bosses, has to end.


But Dude Crouch is Crouch we know what he can do, he is a good premier league player but will never be top notch. I just dont like the way football is played with him in the team. I would like to see Torres play with a sheringham type of striker, someone who can get you goals as well as set you up. Joe Cole could well play off Nando and if he does I would prefer to see us sign the likes of Remy to come off the bench than Crouch. I understand when you say tough call, I guess I would just like to see a manager maybe go for someone different without reverting back to the safe bet. We have seen Crouch at Anfield, I would like to give someone else a try.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 08, 2010, 11:22:47 PM
But Dude Crouch is Crouch we know what he can do, he is a good premier league player but will never be top notch. I just dont like the way football is played with him in the team. I would like to see Torres play with a sheringham type of striker, someone who can get you goals as well as set you up. Joe Cole could well play off Nando and if he does I would prefer to see us sign the likes of Remy to come off the bench than Crouch. I understand when you say tough call, I guess I would just like to see a manager maybe go for someone different without reverting back to the safe bet. We have seen Crouch at Anfield, I would like to give someone else a try.

If Torres isn't available then we either switch to a two up front, Pacheco and one other, or we find a similar player to Nando. Whoever that is, we need to maintain the pace Torres brings. Crouch wouldn't do that. Plus they'd be the temptation to hit it long.

Paying more for an older Crouch than we sold him for makes no sense. For that reason, I'm out. 
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 08, 2010, 11:33:46 PM
Apparently a story will break in tomorrows papers that Crouchies been caught with his pants down.  ;)

Hopefully Roy wont want the controversy that will follow Crouchie.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 09, 2010, 02:09:58 PM
Hats off to Hodgson hes been a breath of fresh air at the club. Getting Cole in could be a master stroke, persuading Gerrard and Torres to stay equally if not more important. His interviews are straight forward and he doesnt seem to want to get caught up in controversy e.g the way he dealt with being questioned about Al Fayed slating him was top notch.

But there is one small thing that concerns me up to now and maybe Roy has a perfectly good reasoning for it but Joe Cole aside the players he seems to be chasing are more mid table, Fulham, Blackburn players than they are Liverpool quality.  Brad Jones, Luke Young, Zoltan Gera, Christian Poulsen are all players you might have seen Roy chase at Fulham. But I think he needs to start upping the quality of his search. I'm probably being a little unfair on Jones, he will probably come in as understudy to Reina and could well do a good job but the other 3 aren't exactly top quality players.

In the case of Christian Poulsen I would prefer Roy to wait and see if Masch is going to go or stay. According to Broughton he will be given any proceeds from player sales, therefore why not identify someone younger with more quality than Poulsen. If Masch goes attempt to bring them in, if Masch stays then theres no need for a replacement.

I dont know why we wouldnt be in the running for players like Ozil seeing as he is down to the last year of his contract.

I will probably take some stick for this but all I'm saying is I think someone needs to tell Roy that the players he had lined up for Fulham arent necessarily good enough for Liverpool.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6302651,00.html?

Skysports.com understands a number of clubs are tracking Fulham ace Zoltan Gera.

Gera's future at Fulham could be in doubt following the arrival of new boss Mark Hugheswith the Welshman expected to bring in new faces to put his own stamp on the side.

The 31-year-old has just a year to run on his current contract and talks over a new deal have yet to take place as yet, alerting a number of clubs to his possible availability.

Liverpool could be in the market for Gera with Roy Hodgson a big fan of the Hungarian and his versatility would appeal to the new Reds boss.

Sunderland are also thought to be interested in Gera with Black Cats chief Steve Bruce keen to bolster his squad before the close of the transfer window.

German side Werder Bremen are also thought to be monitoring Gera's situation following his stunning 12-minute hat-trick against the German club in Saturday's pre-season friendly between the two sides.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on August 09, 2010, 03:17:58 PM
to get back in the hunt for league titles, we need to be in the market for lads like Mesut Ozil.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 10, 2010, 07:11:40 PM
Seriously. Underwhelming.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 10, 2010, 08:44:08 PM
to get back in the hunt for league titles, we need to be in the market for lads like Mesut Ozil.

Barca apparently have an 8 million bid in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/european/7936347/Barcelona-agree-deal-for-Mesut-Ozil-with-Manchester-United-and-Chelsea-too-slow.html
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 10, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
Barca apparently have an 8 million bid in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/european/7936347/Barcelona-agree-deal-for-Mesut-Ozil-with-Manchester-United-and-Chelsea-too-slow.html

It'll be interesting to see how he fits in. Along with Masch:


Barca pounce on Mascherano

Tuesday 10 August, 2010


Inter appear to have given up on Javier Mascherano, sending the Liverpool midfielder closer to Barcelona.

He had made it clear he wanted to reunite with Rafa Benitez at San Siro and even went so far as learning Italian during the World Cup this summer.

However, this week Nerazzurri President Massimo Moratti decided he was too expensive at €30m, especially with Douglas Maicon now off the market.

According to Catalan newspaper ‘El Mundo Deportivo,’ Barcelona have dived right in to take advantage of the situation.

Their own bid for Arsenal’s Cesc Fabregas failed, so they would be willing to pay Liverpool’s requested sum for Mascherano.

They would also be able to hand over Aleksandar Hleb as part of the transfer package.

“The player would like to talk to Barca. After all, the sums requested are half of what they put on the table for Fabregas,” agent Horacio Zandonadi told Com Radio.

“Mascherano has not renewed his contract and the club promised to release him if he requested a transfer.

“The situation is much easier than a year ago, when Barcelona already made an offer for Javier.

“Many clubs like Mascherano, as he is a great player at the highest level.”
   


http://www.football-italia.net/aug10h.html (http://www.football-italia.net/aug10h.html)

Would we have a place for Hleb in the team?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on August 11, 2010, 02:06:15 PM
I saw Poulsen playing for Sevilla the whole season a couple of years back and he was magnificent (remember Sevilla under Juande Ramos when they took all by storm)...so we shall see...good back up for mascherano anyway...cos at the moment the monster masch aint going nowhere (until citeh buy ballotelli and then inter invests that money)...as for the swapping of a 6 mil benayoun for a 6 mil poulsen...both the same age...both obviously do different jobs...but there's one difference...benny didnt want to play for liverpool anymore and poulsen does...good enough for me...

we might need one more striker...maybe...not convinced that pacheco can not step up and do the job...robbie was trusted as was owen...maybe its time to have that trust once more...

if we don't have that trust...then crouch for 12-15 mil...for a 28 year old is stupid...
...i'd much prefer the return of bellamy for 6...even though hes a nutjob...he's fit and he knows where the net is...

if we do sell masch to inter (cos he aint going to barca)...then ozil should be the next target...that is if he's still available...
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 11, 2010, 11:55:16 PM
I saw Poulsen playing for Sevilla the whole season a couple of years back and he was magnificent (remember Sevilla under Juande Ramos when they took all by storm)...so we shall see...good back up for mascherano anyway...cos at the moment the monster masch aint going nowhere (until citeh buy ballotelli and then inter invests that money)...as for the swapping of a 6 mil benayoun for a 6 mil poulsen...both the same age...both obviously do different jobs...but there's one difference...benny didnt want to play for liverpool anymore and poulsen does...good enough for me...

we might need one more striker...maybe...not convinced that pacheco can not step up and do the job...robbie was trusted as was owen...maybe its time to have that trust once more...

if we don't have that trust...then crouch for 12-15 mil...for a 28 year old is stupid...
...i'd much prefer the return of bellamy for 6...even though hes a nutjob...he's fit and he knows where the net is...

if we do sell masch to inter (cos he aint going to barca)...then ozil should be the next target...that is if he's still available...


I think there is far more imaginative players you could buy instead of Poulsen.

Poulsen is 30 so at 6 million we are paying a premium for a player that we could probably manage without.

Who would I buy instead? Hes not a defensive midfielder but I still would go for Stephen Ireland. 8 million hes valued at, didnt make Citys 25 man Europa squad. And the guys only 23, proven premiership quality. Before injuries and loss of form last season he was Citys best player the year before.

Bart you have suggested Bellamy. I think Ireland and Bellamy would strengthen our squad no end.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: 356boy on August 12, 2010, 12:10:51 PM
new to the forum and not read all the posts.
joe cole fantastic signing, Jovanovic looks strong and fast, good signing i think. bring back belamy and crouch depending on price, both get goals and assists, get steven ireland in and he should go back to fulham for hangeland, yet to see what aquilani can do, must be something for that kind of money!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: 356boy on August 12, 2010, 12:27:03 PM
oh and i think Yoann Gourcuff would be a good signing
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 12, 2010, 04:04:34 PM
new to the forum and not read all the posts.
joe cole fantastic signing, Jovanovic looks strong and fast, good signing i think. bring back belamy and crouch depending on price, both get goals and assists, get steven ireland in and he should go back to fulham for hangeland, yet to see what aquilani can do, must be something for that kind of money!


Welcome 365boy, good to have another member to argue with  ;).

Agree with all the above aside from Crouch, I wasnt his biggest fan while he was at Anfield and I wouldnt like to see us go back in for him. Bellamy would definitely be an interesting buy again.

As for Gourcuff, haven't seen really any of him but he seems to be interesting a few teams.  What player could you compare his style of football to?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: 356boy on August 12, 2010, 09:35:47 PM
thanks, they say hes the new zidane! nough said
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: 356boy on August 13, 2010, 11:22:46 AM
and what are your thaughts on forlan?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 13, 2010, 02:35:28 PM
and what are your thaughts on forlan?

Since leaving United he has been brilliant.

At the World Cup he was brilliant. I would play him with Torres in a heart beat.

My only problem would be paying big big money for someone that is what 30, 31 so that is probably why I wouldnt sign him.

But if we were being bank rolled by a Sheik then why not
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 13, 2010, 08:13:59 PM
thanks, they say hes the new zidane! nough said

We're re-signing Bruno Chyerou? Happy Days are here again.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on August 16, 2010, 08:33:01 PM
We're re-signing Bruno Chyerou? Happy Days are here again.

Haha love it...........actually I don't the idea is spine chilling  :o

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2010, 11:44:39 AM

Liverpool FC set to sign keeper Brad Jones


Aug 17 2010  by Ian Doyle


Liverpool are poised to seal a £2.3million deal for Brad Jones after the Middlesbrough goalkeeper passed a medical today.

The 28-year-old Australia international travelled to the north-west to discuss personal terms and undergo physical tests, which Liverpool tonight confirmed he successfully came through.

It is understood the deal had been held up by a difference of opinion over how the fee was to be paid.

Reds boss Roy Hodgson has earmarked Jones, who qualifies as a ’home-grown’ player under the new rules after joining the Teessiders as a trainee, as suitable cover for first-choice goalkeeper Jose Reina.

Liverpool confirmed the fee on their official website and stated that Jones should finalise his move tomorrow.

Jones made 24 league appearances in the Championship for Middlesbrough last season, his most in a single campaign during his eight years at the Teesside club, during which he has spent loan spells with Blackpool, Sheffield Wednesday, Rotherham and Stockport.

Meanwhile, Jamie Carragher has revealed how a determination to prove the critics wrong will be a major motivation for both himself and Liverpool this season.

Having finished a lowly seventh last season, many pundits anticipate a season of struggle for Hodgson’s men with Champions League qualification only an outside possibility.

But Carragher – who produced a man-of-the-match performance to help the Anfield outfit earn a 1-1 draw at home to Arsenal – said: “Ever since I’ve been here, we’ve never been thought of as the best team in the country.

“We have always had question marks against us. Over the last decade or so, we’ve quite enjoyed that chance to prove people wrong.

“You look at Arsenal, who challenged for the title last year, (Manchester) United, Chelsea, and the (Manchester) City situation, so I can understand why people say they don’t fancy us to get in the top four, but we have to believe we can.

“I look at last season, how poor it was, but with two or three games to go we were still fighting for fourth. I expect an improvement on last season and that’ll get us into it.”

Carragher himself came in for criticism during the opening months of last season following a series of uncharacteristically below-par performances.

And the 32-year-old defender said: “I read Gary Lineker this morning saying my legs had gone, so I wasn’t in the best of moods before the game and I was more determined to play better than I normally am.

“You have good days, bad days, but we did okay. Later on I’ll probably make a couple of mistakes and people will say I’m finished again.”


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/08/17/liverpool-fc-set-to-sign-keeper-brad-jones-55578-27075012/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/08/17/liverpool-fc-set-to-sign-keeper-brad-jones-55578-27075012/)

It certainly makes no sense taking up a non-homegrown place with a reserve goalkeeper who is hardly likely to get a game, but it's a shame that we couldn't have got a better quality alternative in case Pepe is out for several months.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 17, 2010, 11:50:08 PM
Exclusive: Wolfsburg line up shock £9m deal for Liverpool midfielder

Published 23:00 17/08/10  By Alan Nixon


Liverpool are ready to sell flying Dutchman Ryan Babel to Steve McClaren’s German giants Wolfsburg in a shock £9 million deal.

Babel is wanted by McClaren’s wealthy club for their Europa League campaign and talks between the clubs were at an advanced stage last night.

Boss Roy Hodgson has overlooked Babel so far as he plans for the season and it is up to the former Ajax player to accept the move as Wolfsburg will pay the fee.

The Babel sale would be a surprise windfall for Liverpool who have been trying to move out unwanted fringe men all summer without too much success.

Exclusive: Wolfsburg line up shock £9m deal for Liverpool midfielder

Published 23:00 17/08/10 By Alan Nixon

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Liverpool are ready to sell flying Dutchman Ryan Babel to Steve McClaren’s German giants Wolfsburg in a shock £9 million deal.

Babel is wanted by McClaren’s wealthy club for their Europa League campaign and talks between the clubs were at an advanced stage last night.

Boss Roy Hodgson has overlooked Babel so far as he plans for the season and it is up to the former Ajax player to accept the move as Wolfsburg will pay the fee.

The Babel sale would be a surprise windfall for Liverpool who have been trying to move out unwanted fringe men all summer without too much success.

Hodgson thinks he can do without Babel, whose erratic style has failed to impress since Rafa Benitez bought him a couple of years ago. The money would help with the club’s finances while they sort out their potential takeover.

Babel was also wanted by Birmingham City but Wolfsburg are the clear leaders in the race and willing to spend the money they anticipate from their European campaign.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Wolfsburg-line-up-shock-9m-deal-for-Liverpool-midfielder-Ryan-Babel-exclusive-article556969.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Wolfsburg-line-up-shock-9m-deal-for-Liverpool-midfielder-Ryan-Babel-exclusive-article556969.html)


As it's Alan Nixon it's probably more made up rubbish, still even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: subsy on August 18, 2010, 09:47:24 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b5pw5

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Liverpool are considering a move for Dinamo Kiev forward Artem Milevskiy as manager Roy Hodgson looks to bolster his strikeforce.

The Ukrainian international, whose contract expires in August 2011 and will become a free agent next summer, is seeking a move abroad after eight years at Kiev and is a target for Hodgson should funds become available at Anfield following Javier Mascherano’s proposed £25 million switch to Inter Milan.

Hodgson has stated his desire to add attacking reinforcements to his squad as his current striking options are limited to Fernando Torres, David N’Gog and Dirk Kuyt.

He has most recently been linked with West Ham striker Carlton Cole and PSV Eindhoven forward Ola Toivonen, but now the highly rated Milevskiy has joined that list of targets.

The 25-year-old would not come cheap and his club are demanding a £13m transfer fee with little room for negotiation. With Liverpool’s ownership uncertain and debts of £237m with the Royal Bank of Scotland, the Reds would have to sell before they could afford to make a bid for Milevskiy.

Liverpool are just one of a number of Premier League clubs tracking Milevskiy, who has been heavily linked with Russian side Lokomotiv Moscow during the summer.

"Milevskiy is a player who could play for Liverpool, Manchester United or Chelsea," his agent Dennis Lachter told Goal.com UK. "He is a top level player and we have had some serious interest from one major Premier League club.

"At the moment English teams are waiting until they have more money before they buy players.

"But when the market starts to move, managers will have more money to spend and then something might happen.”

Milevskiy is considered one of the most talented players in Eastern Europe, a technically skilful forward who prefers to play off a targetman rather than as a main striker, despite his 6ft 3in frame.

Lachter has urged suitors to make their move for the Belarusian-born forward sooner rather than later and has warned they face a tough task in convincing Dinamo Kiev to sell their star man.

He added: "It can take many days and weeks to sign a player from Ukrainian and Russian clubs – it is not a transfer you can do in one day.

"It is not a great joy to negotiate with these clubs – I can tell you this from many years of experience.

"At the moment Milevskiy will continue to play for Dinamo Kiev – but in football everything can change in an hour."
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
It certainly seems like the manager is after another striker if the numerous daily links are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2010, 02:31:12 PM
Hodgson to make £3m bid for Fulham full-back

Liverpool boss Roy Hodgson is closing in on a cut-price £3m deal for Paul Konchesky.

Hodgson is ready to raid his former club for the 29-year-old left back who only has one year left on his contract at Fulham.

Konchesky missed Fulham’s opener at Bolton last Saturday and is believed to be keen on following his former manager to Anfield.

Hodgson is having to wheel and deal on limited funds and a move for his old trusted left back would represent good business in his eyes.

Liverpool were forced to play Danish centre half Daniel Agger out of position at left back against Arsenal on Sunday because they are short in that position.

Emiliano Insua is surplus to requirements and a move to Fiorentina fell through last month while the club have re-signed Fabio Aurelio.

But that has not ended Liverpool’s interest in Konchesky as Hodgson remains a big admirer of a player he made a mainstay of his defence at Fulham.


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-News-Liverpool-manager-Roy-Hodgson-to-bid-3m-for-Fulham-left-back-Paul-Konchesky-article557159.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-News-Liverpool-manager-Roy-Hodgson-to-bid-3m-for-Fulham-left-back-Paul-Konchesky-article557159.html)

Not sure why we'd want to offer £3M when Konchesky has only one year left on his contract and is average at best.
Where does that leave Insua? Either he's leaving against Hodgson's wishes (Genoa were the latest to be linked) or despite what the manager originally said about him, he doesn't actually rate him. And where does that leave our interest in Maynor Figueroa?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: subsy on August 18, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
I hope after watching Wigan v Blackpool that our interest in Figeuroa is dead and buried!

About a striker yep, seems that way. Not sure Milevskiy is very good value at that price considering hes not got long left on his contract.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2010, 06:28:42 PM
I hope after watching Wigan v Blackpool that our interest in Figeuroa is dead and buried!

About a striker yep, seems that way. Not sure Milevskiy is very good value at that price considering hes not got long left on his contract.

 :D  He was really that bad?

Seems like Russian / Ukranian teams can be a nightmare to deal with and at the price it's a real gamble.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 18, 2010, 06:31:47 PM
CAVALIERI SET FOR CESENA MOVE

Roy Hodgson has confirmed Liverpool goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri is set to join Cesena after the Europa League tie against Trabzonspor.

Cavalieri has been unable to dislodge Jose Reina at Anfield since the Brazilian keeper joined Liverpool from Palmeiras two years ago.

He has made 10 appearances during his time on Merseyside, but has not featured once in the Premier League for the Reds.

The 27-year-old is now set to link up with Cesena and will travel to Italy following Thursday's Europa League play-off against Trabzonspor.

"Diego has done a marvellous job for the last three years," said Reds boss Hodgson, who has signed Brad Jones from Middlesbrough as a replacement.

"He's a very good goalkeeper and a very good person, but he made it clear to me at the start of the season that after three years of watching Pepe play every week he might, if he's not careful, lose his goalkeeping ability or his status as a first-team goalkeeper.

"He made it clear he'd like to leave and find a club where he'll be able to play on a regular basis, so we set about the task of finding someone we thought would be as good a complement to Pepe Reina as Cavalieri has been.

"That's why Brad Jones has come in. He's the man we've chosen to back up Reina, put him under pressure and, most importantly, be ready to play.

"Diego will travel to Cesena after the game tomorrow night for a medical."


http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/08/18/manual_161429.html&TEAMHD=soccer (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/08/18/manual_161429.html&TEAMHD=soccer)

I hope he gets his wish for first team football. He's earned it after 3 years without complaining about a lack of first team games. Top pro. Good luck.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: subsy on August 19, 2010, 09:48:06 AM
:D  He was really that bad?

Worse!

He had a major part to play in 3 of the 4 goals.
Constantly drifting out of position and leaving huge gaps.
Was embarrassing to watch.
Off day? Maybe, but I for one am very glad hes not wearing our shirt...
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 19, 2010, 11:01:23 AM
Worse!

He had a major part to play in 3 of the 4 goals.
Constantly drifting out of position and leaving huge gaps.
Was embarrassing to watch.
Off day? Maybe, but I for one am very glad hes not wearing our shirt...

Seems that's a bullet dodged (so far). It's all gone quiet on that front anyway.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 19, 2010, 03:29:15 PM
Greeks face fight for Nemeth

By Juha Pal   Last updated: 18th August 2010


Krisztian Nemeth's agent has revealed that the Liverpool striker is attracting interest from a number of clubs other than Olympiakos.

Reports in Greece have suggested that Nemeth is poised to join Olympiakos after the two clubs agreed a deal for him to move.

The Hungarian's representative Viktor Kovesdi admits that negotiations have taken place over a switch but insists nothing has been decided yet.

Nemeth has failed to make the breakthrough at Anfield since arriving as an 18-year-old in 2007, but is still regarded as an exciting prospect for the future and Kovesdi says there is attention from elsewhere.

Speaking about the link with Olympiakos, the agent told Pepsifoci: "We can confirm that there have been talks between the two clubs.

"What is more they agreed about the details verbally, but there are numerous teams which want to sign Nemeth so his future is not decided at all.

"There are two other clubs which would like to get him and they go on as they want to be the winner for the striker's signature.

"Negotiations went so far with Olympiakos that we could turn onto the details of what the Greek side can offer for the player.

"But Nemeth hasn't travelled to Athens yet and he won't go there on Thursday because other clubs want him too."

According to Hungarian reports, Liverpool has offers for Nemeth from Portugal, Spain and Italy.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6321298,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6321298,00.html)

I hope we've got a huge sell on percentage agreement and maybe even a fixed, cheap buy back clause.
He may not make it here or be best suited for the Premier League, but if he gets over his injury problems he'll be a very, very good player and his value will rocket. He could easily be another Giuseppe Rossi.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2010, 12:36:11 PM
Kuyt agent confirms interest from Inter Milan

August 20, 2010


Dirk Kuyt's agent has confirmed that the Liverpool forward has the chance of moving to Treble-winning Inter Milan, although his client is yet to make any final decision over whether to leave Anfield.

Kuyt is a target for Inter coach Rafa Benitez, who brought the Dutchman to Anfield from Feyenoord for a fee of £9 million in August 2006 and relied heavily upon the hard-working forward.

Inter have stepped up their interest in Kuyt after seeing a move for Genoa's Giuseppe Sculli stall and the Netherlands international was conspicuous by his absence in Liverpool's Europa League tie against Trabzonspor on Thursday night.

Though Kuyt's agent insists the player is yet to make a decision over his future, it appears a move to Serie A is a distinct possibility for the 30-year-old.

"Dirk is being professional," Rob Jansen told Voetbal International. "Yes, there is real interest from Inter, but Dirk has not decided yet whether he does want to leave Liverpool. He must think carefully before leaving.

"This is also a complicated transfer. Dirk Kuyt is a Liverpool player. He has an ongoing contract and was recently in the World Cup final. There will be a transfer fee involved. The deal cannot simply go ahead.

"Regardless of the choice Dirk must first consider himself. He can move to Inter or just stay at Liverpool. This is a good position to be in. It is also an option that a player from Inter will be involved in the deal with Kuyt."
 


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=815813&sec=transfers&cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=815813&sec=transfers&cc=5739)

Also here: http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/42455/De_Telegraaf_Inter_deal_with_Liverpool_close.aspx (http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/42455/De_Telegraaf_Inter_deal_with_Liverpool_close.aspx)

They are quoting Dutch paper De Telegraaf.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2010, 12:46:56 PM
Juventus join chase for Liverpool loaner Alberto Aquilani but Italian giants line up swap deal with Felipe Melo

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 11:04 AM on 20th August 2010


Juventus are keen to sign Alberto Aquilani after Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson cleared the £20million flop to leave Anfield on a loan deal.

However, the Serie A giants could try to tempt the Reds with a permanent transfer, offering Brazil midfielder Felipe Melo in exchange.

Hodgson signed Denmark international Christian Poulsen from Juve as a ready-made replacement for wantaway Argentina captain Javier Mascherano.

But the Italians believe there is still interest from Anfield in one-time Arsenal target Melo, according to Italian newspaper Corriere dello Sport.

Hodgson left Aquilani out of Liverpool's 1-0 Europa League win against Trabzonspor on Wednesday night to stop him being cup-tied and admitted a return to Italy was on the cards.

'We are considering possibly loaning him to an Italian club, but nothing is sure about that yet so I don't have anything definite to report,' said the boss after the play-off round first leg.
'I didn't want to use him (against Trabzonspor) just in case the loan goes through, because for Aquilani this year it's very important that he plays regular football, every week, as the No 1 man on the teamsheet. 

'I can't promise him that here so if a loan move to Italy could help him in that respect it might be good for all parties.

'It would certainly be what he needs, it would certainly protect the value of the player and when he does return to Liverpool no doubt we will see the Aquilani that we signed before he came here injured last year.'
Aquilani was signed from Roma last summer as the replacement for Xabi Alonso, who left for Real Madrid, but the Italy midfielder never managed a regular run in the team because of injuries.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1304688/Juventus-join-chase-Liverpools-Alberto-Aquilani-line-swap-deal-Felipe-Melo.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1304688/Juventus-join-chase-Liverpools-Alberto-Aquilani-line-swap-deal-Felipe-Melo.html)

Melo hardly covered himself in glory in the World Cup, appears to have quite an attitude problem and collects red cards like some people collect stamps.

We could have been a bit clever here and sent Aquilani out on loan, putting him in the Italian shop window and got Poulsen on loan in return, instead of paying a transfer fee for him.
I'd rather have Momo back rather than Melo and I'm not sure why the manager would want another defensive midfielder, even if Masch leaves. If he does, then Lassana Diarra would be a much better option and Madrid are definately looking to offload, probably at a bargain price.

It's a shame we've not managed to rid ourselves of Itandje, El Zahr and Plessis yet. Even if there's no cash, the wage savings would help.   
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 20, 2010, 10:03:43 PM
Reds table Toivonen bid

Last updated: 20th August 2010


Skysports.com understands that Liverpool have made bid for PSV Eindhoven forward Ola Toivonen.

Sources in Holland believe that the Premier League Reds have tabled an offer in the region £9million to the current Eredivisie leaders.

The 24-year-old Sweden international has caught the eye of Roy Hodgson, as revealed by skysports.com earlier in the week, with the Liverpool manager looking to increase the attacking support for Fernando Torres.

However, Toivonen has refused to speculate over his future and it had been rumoured that Liverpool would reduce their interest if the forward was cup-tied in Europe.

He played in PSV's Europa League outing against Sibir Novosibirsk on Thursday, but Hodgson is still understood to have gone ahead with his bid.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6326312,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6326312,00.html)


Money from the Masch transfer being spent, or is Dirkus Kuytus really going to be doing his shopping in the Milanese equivalent of Tesco soon?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on August 21, 2010, 01:54:40 AM
It's a shame we've not managed to rid ourselves of Itandje, El Zahr and Plessis yet. Even if there's no cash, the wage savings would help.
the age old proble - of getting big wage earners to pis off to lowly new eployers
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: wittsy on August 21, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
I can't see why they don't want to leave or at least go out on loan for the remainder of their contracts.

If a club came in and said they'd pay half their wages then surely everyone would still be better off (who knows they may even improve or at least have a chance to sell themselves as a first team player instead of a reserve). They must know they won't be able to sit there for ever, they will end up at another team at some point.

Jas
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 21, 2010, 02:51:35 PM
I can't see why they don't want to leave or at least go out on loan for the remainder of their contracts.

If a club came in and said they'd pay half their wages then surely everyone would still be better off (who knows they may even improve or at least have a chance to sell themselves as a first team player instead of a reserve). They must know they won't be able to sit there for ever, they will end up at another team at some point.

Jas

I guess it's down to a lack of professional pride. We're not talking about taking a salary of £17,000 when your on £20,000 at the moment. They will still earn £1000s per week.
At that level of earnings surely first team football is more important than reduced earnings, especially when those reduced earnings are still lottery wins in comparison to what 99% of fans have to get by on.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on August 24, 2010, 06:41:18 PM
Michael Owen returning to Anfield to wear OUR red shirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(



For JC's testimonial!! Not at all happy.!!!Little money-grabbing judas prick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on August 24, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
I reckon he might develop a last minute strain after the reception he got last year >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( Even to let him wear the red shirt again is wrong. He's a f@cking manc !!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2010, 07:42:01 PM
So Kopite, what's your opinion on Owen playing in Carra's testimonial?

Be a real shame if he got a career ending injury.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2010, 07:50:53 PM
Manchester United and Liverpool linked with Newcastle target Hatem Ben Arfa

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 11:18 AM on 24th August 2010

Hatem Ben Arfa has been linked with a shock move to Manchester United or Liverpool.
The Marseille playmaker has been offered a deal by Werder Bremen and a 'top Premier League club' - which his agent Michel Ouazine indicated was not Newcastle United.

The Geordies wanted to take the France international on a season-long loan, but angered Marseille with their offer.

Bremen had a £6.6million bid for Ben Arfa accepted after selling Mesut Ozil to Real Madrid, but the player's stock has risen since an impressive performance and goal for France in their 2-1 defeat by Norway earlier this month.

Ouazine said the identity of the English team making a move would be a 'big surprise', with reports in France suggesting either Liverpool or Manchester United would be the ones making the bid.

Sir Alex Ferguson is believed to be a long-term admirer of the 23-year-old, who has also been offered to Everton and other Premier League teams this summer.

'Negotiations are continuing,' said Ouazine. 'We are finalising the contract.'

Ben Arfa comes with issues. He is currently refusing to play for Marseille in a bid to force a move and is training alone away from his employers.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1305661/Hatem-Ben-Arfa-linked-Manchester-United-Liverpool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1305661/Hatem-Ben-Arfa-linked-Manchester-United-Liverpool.html)

Just what we need. I think not.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 24, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
Roy Hodgson eyes £2m Terminator Mathieu Debuchy to bolster Liverpool ranks

By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 11:18 AM on 24th August 2010


Liverpool are keen on Lille defender Mathieu Debuchy - dubbed The Terminator because of his fearless style.

Roy Hodgson is eyeing a cut-price move of about £2million for the right back, who can also play in the holding midfield role which is set to be vacated by Barcelona target Javier Mascherano.

The 25-year-old was called up to the France squad by new boss Laurent Blanc earlier this month and is admired for never shirking a challenge.

Although he was not selected for the 2-1 defeat by Norway, he is said to have impressed during training at Clairefontaine.

Claude Puel, his former coach, once described Debuchy as 'a player who puts his head where others wouldn't put their foot'.

As well as being good at the back, Debuchy has a wicked shot and is known as a good crosser of the ball.

He would provide competition for Glen Johnson and is currently under contract for two more seasons at Lille.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1305653/Roy-Hodgson-wants-2m-Terminator-Mathieu-Debuchy-Liverpool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1305653/Roy-Hodgson-wants-2m-Terminator-Mathieu-Debuchy-Liverpool.html)

So if Kuyt ends up at Inter, and we do get this Debuchy, do we move Johnson forward so he was fewer defensive responsibilities, which is his very glaringly obvious weakness.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 24, 2010, 08:12:52 PM
We need an over haul Tes.

If Kuyt goes it may not be a bad thing, only if a takeover is in the offing. Hes done a lot of good but I'm thinking this team as we know it could be finished.

Could be time to start again. I never wanted us to do a Man City on it but if we do get wealthy investors in we might just need to buy 6 or more top quality players.

Defence, Midfield and up front its all seriously lacking
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on August 24, 2010, 08:58:44 PM
Hangeland, a left back, someone to replace monster and a big forward and we've got a team again
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on August 24, 2010, 09:34:28 PM

Be a real shame if he got a career ending injury.

His career was over a long time ago, when he left us
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Gurdeep on August 25, 2010, 11:17:28 AM
This is depressing news, for me anyway.  Is this the type of quality Woy's going to look to bring in?  More of these types of rumours/signings are going to put me off football altogether.  :'( :'( :'(

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Skysports.com understands Liverpool are closing in on the signing of Fulham defender Paul Konchesky.

Reds bos Roy Hodgson has openly admitted bringing a new left-back is one of his top priorities this summer and it is believed he wants Konchesky to solve the problematic position.

Hodgson is a big admirer of Konchesy having worked with the 29-year-old for two-and-a-half-years prior to his switch to Anfield.

Liverpool are keen to bring in a new left-back before the close of the transfer window and had been linked with a move for PSV Eindhoven's Carlos Salicido.

However, it appears Liverpool have opted to go for Konchesky with the player having just a year to run on his contract at Fulham.

Konchesky's future at Fulham has been the subject of speculation all summer with Birmingham having seen one bid turned down eartlier this summer.

New Fulham boss Mark Hughes was keen to keep hold of the former Charlton man, but Konchesky is thought to have informed the Cottagers chief of his desire to be reunited with Hodgson at Anfield.

Liverpool are believed to be prepared to pay up to £3.5million to land Konchesky as Hodgson looks to finalise his rebuilding plans at the club.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Kopite999 on August 25, 2010, 02:20:11 PM
I agree but he did ok against the mancs on Sunday
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2010, 02:24:50 PM
It's not great, but it's where we are at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 25, 2010, 03:29:30 PM
Agree with some of the other comment, its not ideal but hes not the worst left back in the league.

He is a tough enough operator too so until the takeover happens he is better than we have already.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 25, 2010, 09:43:14 PM
Reds striker moves to Greece

Liverpool have confirmed Krisztian Nemeth has joined Greek club Olympiakos.

The Hungary striker joined the Reds from MTK Hungaria three years ago but never broke into the first team and the 21-year-old follows former Anfield winger Albert Riera, who also moved to Olympiakos this summer.

Moises Hurtado has also joined Nemeth in Athens after signing a three-year contract on Wednesday.

The Spanish defensive midfielder put an end to his 11-year spell at Espanyol to join Ernesto Valverde's revolution for a reported fee of 2million Euros.

"Olympiakos announces the signing of Moises Hurtado from Espanyol. The Spanish player has signed a three-year contract," the Greek club confirmed.

Valverde has been busy recruiting a new-look Olympiakos team for the campaign with Dennis Rommedahl, Marko Pantelic and David Fuster already acquired as they look to wrestle the Greek title from cross-city rivals Panathinaikos.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12875_6335483,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12875_6335483,00.html)

I hope we've got a 50% sell on fee and a whole bunch of add ons. Somehow I doubt it though.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 26, 2010, 01:27:22 AM
Reds striker moves to Greece

Liverpool have confirmed Krisztian Nemeth has joined Greek club Olympiakos.

The Hungary striker joined the Reds from MTK Hungaria three years ago but never broke into the first team and the 21-year-old follows former Anfield winger Albert Riera, who also moved to Olympiakos this summer.

Moises Hurtado has also joined Nemeth in Athens after signing a three-year contract on Wednesday.

The Spanish defensive midfielder put an end to his 11-year spell at Espanyol to join Ernesto Valverde's revolution for a reported fee of 2million Euros.

"Olympiakos announces the signing of Moises Hurtado from Espanyol. The Spanish player has signed a three-year contract," the Greek club confirmed.

Valverde has been busy recruiting a new-look Olympiakos team for the campaign with Dennis Rommedahl, Marko Pantelic and David Fuster already acquired as they look to wrestle the Greek title from cross-city rivals Panathinaikos.


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12875_6335483,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12875_6335483,00.html)

I hope we've got a 50% sell on fee and a whole bunch of add ons. Somehow I doubt it though.

Pity at one point I thought he may have made it at Liverpool
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 26, 2010, 02:12:46 AM
Pity at one point I thought he may have made it at Liverpool

It would be interesting to know the reasoning behind his release. Surely it can't be the injury problems, especially with our history of signing (and re-signing) players with woeful injury records.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 28, 2010, 10:24:41 PM
Liverpool thrown in Lauri Dalla Valle and Alex Kacaniklic to clinch £4m Paul Konchesky from Fulham


By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 12:59 AM on 28th August 2010



Liverpool threw in two promising youngsters, Lauri Dalla Valle and Alex Kacaniklic, to help clinch the £4million capture of Fulham left back Paul Konchesky.

The teenagers had medicals yesterday at Fulham, who also concluded a £2.25m deal for PSV Eindhoven defender Carlos Salcido.

Dalla Valle, 18, is a promising Finland Under 19 striker and Swede Kacaniklic, 19, is a midfielder.

Brazilian Lucas looks likely to leave Anfield permanently, as his family have not settled on Merseyside.

West Ham and Italian sides Inter Milan and Palermo are watching developments.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1306852/Liverpool-agree-4m-deal-Fulham-Paul-Konchesky-Anfield.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1306852/Liverpool-agree-4m-deal-Fulham-Paul-Konchesky-Anfield.html)

£4M is overpriced and throwing in Dalla Valle and Kacaniklic is beyond comprehension.
So that's Insua definately on his way then, also.

Also the emboldened bit is very interesting. Hadn't heard of this before.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 28, 2010, 10:56:50 PM
I'd be amazed if Lucas left before Tuesday. Someone must have got that wrong surely. Whilst not perfect he does a reasonable job and surely we can't rid ourselves of all our old midfield (Gerrard excepted)?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2010, 02:12:55 AM
I'd be amazed if Lucas left before Tuesday. Someone must have got that wrong surely. Whilst not perfect he does a reasonable job and surely we can't rid ourselves of all our old midfield (Gerrard excepted)?

Agreed ASI, on both points. Probably poor journalism, getting him mistaken with Masch. I guess all South Americans look the same to said 'journalist'.
We'd be left with 3 established central midfielders only, plus Spearing. Still I guess 'their' interest payments come before what's important. Talking of which, from the Telegraph: 

"Most poignant, as the transfer window draws to a close, is the inquiry as to why Hodgson's revolution did not begin to take shape until the final weekend of August. He was, after all, supposed to have £12 million to spend upon taking the job, plus whatever money is raised through sales, currently £16 million.

When Mascherano, who arrived in Barcelona on Saturday for his medical, signs for the Spanish champions, the total sum supposedly available to Hodgson should stand at £50 million. Yet the captures of Meireles and Konchesky take the club's outlay this summer to £24.2 million. As always at Liverpool, something does not add up.

Since Benítez decided to sell Robbie Keane back to Tottenham for £16 million in January 2009, Liverpool have recouped some £80 million in sales.

Mascherano's departure will take that figure to £102 million. The Spaniard and Hodgson between them have spent just £59.8 million, when Meireles and Konchesky are factored in, in the last 18 months.

At a club where both Tom Hicks, the co-owner, and Christian Purslow, the managing director, have asserted that the "player fund" is sacrosanct, in theory Hodgson should have £40 million burning a hole in his pocket. It is safe to assume he does not.
"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7969621/Roy-Hodgson-shows-forward-thinking-by-signing-Raul-Meireles-for-10.7m.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7969621/Roy-Hodgson-shows-forward-thinking-by-signing-Raul-Meireles-for-10.7m.html)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2010, 02:14:32 AM
From: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7969806/Javier-Mascherano-Barcelona-move-a-dream-come-true.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/7969806/Javier-Mascherano-Barcelona-move-a-dream-come-true.html)

"Daniel Pacheco has signed an improved contract to remain at Anfield for the next two years, while the young Spanish defender Daniel Ayala has agreed a season-long loan with Hull."

Excellent bits of business. Kelly is definately ahead of Ayala, even at centre half, but this should give him some first team experience and hopefully be ready to challenge for a place in the squad next season.

Even better news about Pacheco.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: the dude abides on August 29, 2010, 03:28:43 AM
£4M is overpriced and throwing in Dalla Valle and Kacaniklic is beyond comprehension.
So that's Insua definately on his way then, also.

Also the emboldened bit is very interesting. Hadn't heard of this before.

getting the two young lads off the wage bill, I bet is what it is all about.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 29, 2010, 11:19:59 AM
Agreed ASI, on both points. Probably poor journalism, getting him mistaken with Masch. I guess all South Americans look the same to said 'journalist'.
We'd be left with 3 established central midfielders only, plus Spearing. Still I guess 'their' interest payments come before what's important. Talking of which, from the Telegraph: 

The second part of that report is depressingly familiar Tes. When I think how much stronger our first team could have been with that extra £40M invested in quality players I want to weep. Having said that if Rafa had stayed and had access to it I wonder how wisely he would have invested it when you look at purchases like Aquilani.

But the first part of Rory Smith's report gives me considerable hope that once Poulson and Meireles form a relationship in midfield it can be as good as the Alonso / Masch one was. And with Gerrard moving forward behind Torres that should keep both of them happy.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 29, 2010, 02:02:13 PM
This Sunday People report (http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2010/08/29/liverpool-are-red-hot-for-carlton-cole-roy-hodgson-offers-ryan-babel-as-bait-in-last-gasp-deal-102039-22520968/) suggests Babel will be offered to WHU in exchange for Carlton Cole. I'm not convinced one is any better than the other but Roy's judgement is probably just a little better than mine.  :D

It all hinges on whether Babel wants the move as Cole is happy to come north. I would imagine all those bright lights of London would suit young Ryan.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2010, 02:09:53 PM
This Sunday People report (http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/football-hotline/2010/08/29/liverpool-are-red-hot-for-carlton-cole-roy-hodgson-offers-ryan-babel-as-bait-in-last-gasp-deal-102039-22520968/) suggests Babel will be offered to WHU in exchange for Carlton Cole. I'm not convinced one is any better than the other but Roy's judgement is probably just a little better than mine.  :D


That makes two of us, ASI.  Cole's injury record is worrying aswell. I'd rather stick than twist on this one.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 29, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
That makes two of us, ASI.  Cole's injury record is worrying aswell. I'd rather stick than twist on this one.

Babel is on the bench this afternoon Tes which seems to make a swap unlikely (for potential injury reasons). I don't think this one will go through. Stick it is!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2010, 03:31:16 PM
Babel is on the bench this afternoon Tes which seems to make a swap unlikely (for potential injury reasons). I don't think this one will go through. Stick it is!

Good to see that Roy knows where to come for a bit of sound advice.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 29, 2010, 05:01:49 PM
Good to see that Roy knows where to come for a bit of sound advice.  ;D

 ;D We're all good managers from the safety of the sofa Tes!
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: barticus on August 29, 2010, 06:17:24 PM
In an ideal world (well my one anyways!)...Babel (plus cash) would be swapped for Toivonen...
(Han solo voice) got a bad feeling about carlton cole tbh
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 29, 2010, 06:23:11 PM
In an ideal world (well my one anyways!)...Babel (plus cash) would be swapped for Toivonen...
(Han solo voice) got a bad feeling about carlton cole tbh

Well Barticus it doesn't look like this will happen unless PSV reduce their asking price. That's according to Rory Smith on Twitter (http://twitter.com/rorysmith_tel).

Can't wait to see Meireles in action though. But there's internationals coming up.  :(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 29, 2010, 10:47:50 PM
But there's internationals coming up.  :(

Again!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Juan on August 30, 2010, 12:00:41 AM
In an ideal world (well my one anyways!)...Babel (plus cash) would be swapped for Toivonen...
(Han solo voice) got a bad feeling about carlton cole tbh

It seems Real are now in for Toi so I guess we can forget that one
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2010, 10:48:25 AM
It seems Real are now in for Toi so I guess we can forget that one

Hodgson has now come out and stated he's not the sort of striker we're looking for atm.

Asked if Toivonen could arrive he said: "No. Unlikely. He's a good player but not the profile I'm looking for.''

So why have we been watching him so closely?

More worrying therefore, is what sort of striker are we (the manager) looking for. I hope he doesn't make the same mistake as Rafa did and try and buy a partner for Torres. Are we just looking for a battering ram?

Toivonen would seem like the ideal player. From what I know of him he would seem able to play off Torres, as Gerrard did, plus he could replace Torres, either up front on his own or with a partner.

Whoever we sign as a striker they will be of no use unless we create chances for them and help them out by having other players weigh in with goals also.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 30, 2010, 12:41:03 PM
Hi Tes,

What formation would you like us to play? 4-4-2 which proved so disasterous at City or 4-2-3-1? If the former who do you think could play alongside Torres without occupying the space Fernando takes up? It's a difficult one to work out and even harder to find that kind of player in 36 hours!

I still feel we'd be better sticking to 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard just behind Torres and maybe Meireles in there too as he seems quite attack-minded.

I wonder what Roy means when he say's "he's not our sort of player"? The mind boggles.  :o
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Jim B on August 30, 2010, 02:10:54 PM
I think Roy sees Toivonen as another Dirk/Cole/Kuyt - a secondary striker or the "in the hole" type of striker as opposed to the out-and-out Ian Rush / Fernando Torres / Nicolas Anelka / John Aldridge type.

I think he's looking for someone to fill in for Torres when he's injured, out of form, tired or for less important games (whatever they turn out to be).

If that's the case I don't know that Carlton Cole would be happy about it. Sky will keep telling us he isn't - because he'd be a player getting occasional games and being "dropped" despite scoring in his last game.

Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 30, 2010, 02:21:54 PM
Hmmm, that a tricky one to solve. Good enough to score goals when being played but gracious enough when occupying the bench not to complain.

Only one man for the job... Emmanuel Adebayor!!  ;D

Tes and I don't see Carlton Cole being any better than Babel and could be worse. But it seems Roy thinks differently if the report in yesterday's Sunday People is to be believed.

Once Joe Cole returns I think he'll have the trickery to help unlock defences and that in turn should make life easier for Gerrard, Torres et al.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2010, 08:13:52 PM
I think Roy sees Toivonen as another Dirk/Cole/Kuyt - a secondary striker or the "in the hole" type of striker as opposed to the out-and-out Ian Rush / Fernando Torres / Nicolas Anelka / John Aldridge type.

I think he's looking for someone to fill in for Torres when he's injured, out of form, tired or for less important games (whatever they turn out to be).

If that's the case I don't know that Carlton Cole would be happy about it. Sky will keep telling us he isn't - because he'd be a player getting occasional games and being "dropped" despite scoring in his last game.

With Cole's injury record he's just as likely to be partnering Torres on the treatment table. His scoring record doesn't suggest that he'd be up to the job either.
With Torres out it would give us the option of playing a lone striker or a pairing. Toivonen can play the lone role but with good movement off and around the front 3 or 4 can rotate and hence there's no need for a fixed focal point.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2010, 08:15:29 PM
Only one man for the job... Emmanuel Adebayor!!  ;D

The poster boy for the modern footballer.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Jim B on August 30, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
The Mascherano deal's officially gone through now so we've got about 21 hours to spend anything left from it. Unless we miraculously find there isn't anything left from it.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2010, 08:31:58 PM
Hi Tes,

What formation would you like us to play? 4-4-2 which proved so disasterous at City or 4-2-3-1? If the former who do you think could play alongside Torres without occupying the space Fernando takes up? It's a difficult one to work out and even harder to find that kind of player in 36 hours!

I still feel we'd be better sticking to 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard just behind Torres and maybe Meireles in there too as he seems quite attack-minded.

I wonder what Roy means when he say's "he's not our sort of player"? The mind boggles.  :o

ASI, I really don't like this two holding midfielders setup. WBA had a setup (at least according to MOTD2) that I favour - 4-1-4-1. One defensive midfielder, the four ahead being made up of two wide players (not neccessarily wingers) and two behind the striker, one of which can be an attacking midfielder/playmaker with the other being a more traditional in the hole type striker. The front central 3 or indeed 5 rotate and switch positions according to the position taken up by any of them. For example, if the single striker pulls wide to work the channel, he is supported by the full back, whilst the wide player takes up the advanced central position. It also allows for either or both the players behind the striker to break beyond the striker. When the ball is wide left, the wide right player's job is to get in the box, either far post, centrally or ahead of the main striker if he's dropped deeper during build up play, and vice versa with the other wide player.
When defending it easily adapts to a bank of four or even five. With a bank of four, the main striker and hole player defend from the front taking a fullback and centre half each to close down.

We can easily adapt it to play Gerrard and Meireles behind Torres, with Meireles playing slighly deeper than Gerrard, but with the way Gerrard plays, he, Cole (starting on the left) and Kuyt (who showed his ability on the left against WBA) would interchange fluently. Meireles would also be in a position to drop deeper and help Poulsen out or drop in the hole left should Poulsen bring the ball out with him.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2010, 08:41:05 PM
The Mascherano deal's officially gone through now so we've got about 21 hours to spend anything left from it. Unless we miraculously find there isn't anything left from it.

Jim, wash your mouth out, surely that money can't just disappear.  :D

Remember this is 'Big Summer'. Uncle Tom said so. We've been playing it rather canny. They'll be a couple of Robinho, last minute mega signings tomorrow. Have faith. Uncle Tom said so.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 30, 2010, 08:44:57 PM
The Mascherano deal's officially gone through now so we've got about 21 hours to spend anything left from it. Unless we miraculously find there isn't anything left from it.

What time does the window slam shut? Is it 6pm?
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Jim B on August 31, 2010, 08:19:17 AM
What time does the window slam shut? Is it 6pm?

Yes, 6pm sharp. (Although you can guarantee some club or other will request special dispensation for an extension after their fax machine ran out of toner.)
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on August 31, 2010, 11:26:31 AM
Yes, 6pm sharp. (Although you can guarantee some club or other will request special dispensation for an extension after their fax machine ran out of toner.)

I doubt our's has either toner or paper and the plug's probably been borrowed for Cecil's cappuccino machine.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Ageing Stick Insect on August 31, 2010, 07:24:37 PM
ASI, I really don't like this two holding midfielders setup.
I agree. 3 would be better but I suppose a striker is essential.  ;D One seems okay so I agree that a 4-1-4-1 formation makes more sense.

WBA had a setup (at least according to MOTD2) that I favour - 4-1-4-1. One defensive midfielder, the four ahead being made up of two wide players (not neccessarily wingers) and two behind the striker, one of which can be an attacking midfielder/playmaker with the other being a more traditional in the hole type striker. The front central 3 or indeed 5 rotate and switch positions according to the position taken up by any of them. For example, if the single striker pulls wide to work the channel, he is supported by the full back, whilst the wide player takes up the advanced central position. It also allows for either or both the players behind the striker to break beyond the striker. When the ball is wide left, the wide right player's job is to get in the box, either far post, centrally or ahead of the main striker if he's dropped deeper during build up play, and vice versa with the other wide player.
When defending it easily adapts to a bank of four or even five. With a bank of four, the main striker and hole player defend from the front taking a fullback and centre half each to close down.

We can easily adapt it to play Gerrard and Meireles behind Torres, with Meireles playing slighly deeper than Gerrard, but with the way Gerrard plays, he, Cole (starting on the left) and Kuyt (who showed his ability on the left against WBA) would interchange fluently. Meireles would also be in a position to drop deeper and help Poulsen out or drop in the hole left should Poulsen bring the ball out with him.

That's explained very well. Perhaps Jim could pass it on to Roy. You're never too old to learn.  :P

I hope you'll remember this when we play Birmingham and see how close you were.
Title: Re: Summer transfer window thread
Post by: Tes on September 01, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
I agree. 3 would be better but I suppose a striker is essential.  ;D One seems okay so I agree that a 4-1-4-1 formation makes more sense.

That's explained very well. Perhaps Jim could pass it on to Roy. You're never too old to learn.  :P

I hope you'll remember this when we play Birmingham and see how close you were.

So 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 it is then. We're going to need to win the right to play against Birmingham. Time to dig deep.