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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« on: October 18, 2010, 07:06:15 PM »
  Quote from: Martinmarx on Today at 06:41:54 PM  <blockquote>Like the nearly 40 millions he spent on an injury prone and unproven Italian and a right-back when the impressive Ngog and Voronin were our back ups to Torres? Not even Fergie would get that much to spend on such poor players. </blockquote>

Juan Sebastián Verón

PS - if you think Ngog and Veronin are Liverpool quality, then you truly are a troll.

Well, I don't but Rafa obviously did as he chose to spend nearly 40 million on Aquilani and Johnson rather than quality back up for Torres. It even had me declare we were out of the race in July before the season even started which, of course, had me declared a fool.

Was Seba bought the last 3 years? Please check again, son.

Me saying I think Roy's the right man to lay a foundation for Liverpool despite doubting he'll win the title for us is connected to the fact I realise, in contrast to many of you, how far from winning it we actually are. It'll take time and effort. It'll be a 4 year process at a minimum. I don't think Roy will last 4 years, but I do think that when he leaves the coming manager will reap the rewards sewed by Roy. That's what I'm trying to say. Try to listen to what I say instead of descending to petty and childish namecalling and we may actually have a nice conversation.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« on: October 18, 2010, 06:41:54 PM »
on the contrary, rafa had limited funds and had to cut his cloth accordingly.

Like the nearly 40 millions he spent on an injury prone and unproven Italian and a right-back when the impressive Ngog and Voronin were our back ups to Torres? Not even Fergie would get that much to spend on such poor players. He outspent Fergie big big time his last 3 years in charge. But just like GH he had a thing for phony maths.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« on: October 18, 2010, 06:33:57 PM »
I don't buy into the "he got us to 2 CL finals" argument as a means of declaring Roy unfit to manage Liverpool. That's just not an honest way of arguing no matter how you look at it. From day one Rafa had his sights set on the CL. Not once during his 6 years in charge were PL his top priority. Also, throughout his reign at Anfield he was more afraid of losing a game than not winning it. He never truly took on board what it takes to challenge for the PL. You'll now SCREAM at me and point to the 2008/09 season. I'm not even gonna bother explaining how that season alone showed his total failure as PL manager, that ManU time and again handed us the title only for us to draw at home against the likes of Fulham and West Ham and Hull away or lose to a Boro side destined for relegation.  The truth of the matter is, and as Fergie correctly foresaw, we played well and utterly above our genuine level that season. I'd go as far as saying with Moyes we'd walked the title that season.

But no, he had 2 great runs in the CL. Lets forget he during his 6 years and tens and tens of millions spent on crap players failed massively to instill that mentality that saw us go on winning streaks regurarly. We were as inconsistent his final season as we were during his first. We looked as dire and out of ideas in his final season we did during his first. And we were further away from the title positionwise in his final season than we were in his first season. True, he took us to 2 CL finals, but as far as the league goes I'm sorry to have to say he was a f***ing disaster apart from a 3 month spell in the spring of 2009.

And I'm not even gonna mention GH's infamous 14 games without a win streak after having (ALSO) spent years and 10's of millions on crap (worst since the battle of Hastings, God damn). And Roy is called into question after 8 games. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Both GH and Rafa were allowed more than enough time to prove their ineptitude as PL managers, why can't Roy be given at least a quarter of that time? Because you lot are disappointed wiser men than you realised rafa was slowly dragging this club into dismay? He's gone and he'll never come back, thank God.

It's incredible really people do not see the damage done to this club for over a decade by GH and Rafa. Even more incredible is the fact people somehow think it'll be fixed inside 8 games with 2 international breaks, new manager, players and the hardest fixture list since John Holmes took up his acting career.

Again, I do not think Roy will ever win us the title. But then again, the title is at least 3-4 years away even if God himself would descend with Shanks and Sir Bob to his assistance. But I am confindent that Roy, if given time, will leave a foundation for a coming manager to benefit from. Of that I am sure. I just think the criticism is so without nuances, fairness or validity and it that respect I am ashamed to read some of the stuff on here and elsewhere.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« on: October 18, 2010, 11:30:26 AM »
Juan,  I highly appreciate your civlized tone although I do not agree with your reasoning (tho referring to the embarrassing Tomkins won't do you no favors in my eyes). This is not directed towards you Juan, but surely this is the darkest moment for LFC-supporters I've ever witnessed. Time and again under Rafa and GH we went through spells like this yet people called you everything there's a word for under the sun for criticising those managers for not being able to deliver more and better after years and millions spent. Jesus H fornicating Christ, we're 8 games into the man's career. Like Hansen correctly said today Roy inhereted a squad of mediocrity Rafa had done his best to drain of any mental strength during his last 3 seasons. He got what, 7 days with the entire squad before the season started. Then 2 international breaks where he weren't allowed to work the squad with his ideas makes which makes up almost  month. Then an extremly difficult fixture list. I'm not making up excuses but people really need to take a hard look at themselves and their "analysis" of the situation - if that's what they want to call it.

I think this "debate" on Hodgson has become a force on it's own, so to speak. I remember a year ago when Rafa lost 4, or was it 5, on the trot. Yet he continued with his tinkering, restraining of players, shifting line-up just when its clear his original gameplan was slowly coming in to furuition. It was clear he had lost it.  For 6 seaons Rafa was allowed to field weakend sides in the PL to focus on the CL without recieving critic, duringhis 6 years at charge he only managed to sign  handfu of quality player. Roy doesn't manage to turn thigs around in a fornicating afternoon and that's enough to be belittled and ridiculed. I'm not Roy's man on these boards but I feel truly ashamed at how people are reacting to what is, admittedly, a poor start to the season.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Roy Hodgson Thread
« on: October 17, 2010, 06:53:24 PM »
I think Roy's had a very tough start to his Anfield career. However, calling for his head after 8 games is a real shame for any person claiming to be a Liverpool fan. I have no doubt in my mind Roy's paying the price for the downfall that startet under Rafa during his last 3 seasons where the players by each game lost confidence and autonomy. The fact remain Roy only got 7 days with the full squad to prepare for the new season. That's not a lot of time to get your ideas through. Add to this the gelling of new players, the ownership turmoil and it was plain to see no manager around would turn things around in a season, let alone 8 games. Add to all this the fixture list is the toughest I've seen us face for as long as I can remember.

I don't think we're half as bad as people are making out, Arsenal needed a once every two year error from Reina to get a point, City needed the post and the double save of the season to keep us out of the game, United depended on the goal of Berba's career to win, and against Blackpool we were denied penos Sunderland was awarded the weekend before. True, we're not clicking going forward and we do not create enough cleaar cut chances. But I really really think we've been extremly punished for mistakes made although we lack the firepower or creativity to come back once a mistake is made. That's a weakness, no denying that.

I think we'll slowly start to play better and win games. Whether it'll be enough to  towin 4th I don't know but I wouldn't dare dreaming of writing us off just yet. I probably am one of the very few that genuinely believe ROy's the right man for us. That doesn't mean I think he'll win us no. 19, it means I think he's the right man to help this club find the identity needed to win it and help stabilise the club after the dreadful management of Rafa and GH.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Benayoun speaks...
« on: July 12, 2010, 12:47:51 PM »
I didn't get the feeling Benni lifted the lid as a result of not being satisfied. If you read what he actually say and what he emphasize it's obvious he's consider himself a deeply offend individual, and, if what he say is true, rightly so. You also hear him say other player's been the victim of the same treatment so it would be wrong to call him egoistic.

I'm the first one to call the modern footballer overpaid, spoiled, what have you. That tho, has little to do with the overpaid and spoiled footballers right to be treated in a respectful manner. I've seen Rafa's leadership in work and how it breaks people down draining them of self-confidence. It's horrible to watch and act against (as you're being the next target).

What does it achieve you ask? A lot I'd say. I think his story goes a long way to explain last season embarrassment. Also, I never said you can't be distant towards player an'all and yet have success. I'd say Rafa was hugely successful at Valencia. Question is, do we want succcess at any cost. Is harboring  Lt. Bligh worth it. Is that the Liverpool way if there is one? Me thinks not. It was obvious some two years ago Rafa really had trouble managing the players from a human/empathhic perspective. Benayoun have now in a well spoken manner explained how his leadership worked. I'm glad Rafa's gone. Never liked bullies anyroad.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Benayoun speaks...
« on: July 12, 2010, 11:35:52 AM »
In contrast to most of you I think Benayoun handled this perfectly and if what he say is true speaks volume of how poor a manager Rafa was in many aspects. I always knew he was distant to his players, being totally void of empathy is a different treat tho. No wonder he lost the dressing room. It was the same in Valencia where he was generally disliked by the players. I think Benayoun did the right thing to come out and tell it how it was as he was one of the best players I've seen in a red shirt during that famous spell spring -09.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: world cup 2010
« on: July 07, 2010, 09:07:45 AM »
Dude, I'm sory but I couldn't disagree anymore. Fluke, fluke and yet fluke again took Holland to the final. Never in the history of this competition has such a mediocre team made the final, never has a team produced so little to reach a final.

Lets look at their 5 goals in the QF/SF.

1-1 vs. Brazil Sneijder randomly hits a cross that somehow finds it way into goal.
2-1 vs. Brazil Sneijder scores a header for the first time in his career totally against the run of play after having been embarrasingly outplayed by the Brazilieros in the first half.
1-0 vs. Uruguay Van Bronckhorst actually makes a poor decision and tries a shot that hits home approximately once every 1.253.795th attempt. And it goes in, what can you do/say against such luck?
2-1 vs. Uruguay Sneijder once more extremly lucky. The shot hits one, possibly two, players before touching Van Persie in an off-side position to hit home. Unbelieveable really.
3-1 vs. Uruguay Robben scores a header for the first time in his career.

In conclusion, all the 5 goals are circumstancial and is not the result of a structured game of their own. Had the game last nite continued for another 3 minutes Uruguay would've equalised.

I am gutted to see Holland reach a much undeserved place in the final. Germany or Spain will make the process short unless their incredible luck continues.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Welcome Roy!
« on: July 02, 2010, 11:00:26 AM »
Cheers, how's that rash anyway?

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: The Holy Trinity!
« on: July 02, 2010, 10:57:56 AM »
As I said elsewhere, for the first time in 6 years I'm looking forward to the new season. I don't think we'll stand a chance to challenge for honors in the PL. In fact, finishing 4th would be a tremendous achievement. Yet, I have butterflies in me belly. Reason for that is I'm sure this season will be the season when we start the rebuilding of an identity, of the Liverpool way, which is best expressed by the title of this thread.

Like the rest of you I honestly do not care who stay and goes as we now have a manager who knows how to get the players he has at his disposal to perform. As for Torres, yes, when on top no doubt the best striker in the world. Problem is, when he's not injured (which he's been half the time he's been here) he often sulk and whinge and doesn't offer the team anything at all. If he leaves I sure would miss his + 20 goals, but with Roy I think the TEAM will be able to compensate for that loss. As for Gerrard, well, last season he fornicating made Traore and Riise looke like world beaters yet waving his arms and bitching at young players. I had it with him last season. Thanks for everything but you really need to remember where you come from. Masch, I don't care at all. Maybe he's best suited for latino-footy anyroad.

Again, I cannot wait for the season to start. As always I look more at how we play than what results we get and to that end this season will hopefully be a fornicating thrill. The good days are back I can feel it.  :)

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Welcome Roy!
« on: July 01, 2010, 03:10:41 PM »
I'd like to echo the poster before me. Most of my fellow countrymen will say Roy played some part in shaping our understanding of footy in general and goes some way to explain why English football's been so popular in Sweden since the mid-70's. I think Roy's exactl what this club needs. Although he will be affected of the current owners I think he better than any other manager I could think of can help this club buildin a new identity around which the manager, players and the fans can gather. No matter how morally right and justified the complaints of the current owners have been, little or no energy has been invested in discussing how to find a way back to our roots.

I think Roy understand perfectly well where this club is and where it needs to go. What I always liked about Roy and what made him so popular in Sweden in the 70's and 80's was his ability to trust in players but at the same time being able to show them the right directio. This I think is the fundament in establishing a winning mentality. Many young fans have bought into this notion we need a +20 million player in each position to become successful. It is my conviction Roy will prove that hypothesis wrong.

For the first time in a long time I'm actually looking forward to the new season (knew we were gonna fork it up last season when Rafa decided to stick with NGog and Voronin as back up strikers  ::) ).

Welcome Roy and Good Luck!!!  :)

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