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I definitley think its time to call Villa's bluff and go no further than 15 million for Barry.

Villa say they do not need to sell. The thing is though although Benitez is clearly a fan of Barry we dont exactly need to buy a central midfielder either. Even if Alonso does make what looks like the inevitable switch to Juve, and even if Benitez couldnt find an alternative to Barry I dont see why Gerrard and Mascherano couldnt play in midfield together with Lucas as back up. It may leave us short of cover but I would sooner buy someone to play with Torres than pay crazy money for Gareth Barry.

If Villa insist on a fee of 20 million I would happily stick it to MON by leaving them with the unhappy player who wants to leave, whos testimonial theyve cancelled and who the Villa fans have already turned on.

In fact I hope Benitez pulls the plug on the deal even just out of spite to see the reaction out of everyone linked to Villa

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: How much is Barry worth?
« on: June 12, 2008, 11:35:29 AM »
Raju to be honest before now I have been open to the possibiltiy of selling Alonso if Rafa felt that barry would be a better alternative. But with Juve aparently not willing to pay enough for Alonso and with Villa holding us to ransom the easiest thing to do is keep Alonso.

Alonso is younger than Barry and on his day is equally as good if not better. He has had a poor last two seasons but I wouldnt call it good business if we sold him for 12 million and bought Barry for 18. We seem to get robbed no matter whether we are buying or selling.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: How much is Barry worth?
« on: June 12, 2008, 11:08:40 AM »
Ive just read that Villa have rejected a 15 million pound bid for Barry.

At this stage I would tell MON and Aston Villa where to go. 15 million is a fair price but now they are just holding us to ransom.

I would put the ball back in their court by withdrawing from negotiations and leave Villa face up to the fact of having an unhappy player that wants to leave the club and no one to buy him.

At this stage just keep Alonso because Barry is not worth more than 15 million.

Time to step up the efforts on David Villa

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: would Villa be a good signing?
« on: June 11, 2008, 01:52:40 PM »
Villa is undoubtedly a super player and had proved so long before the wave of enthusiasm after last nights performance.

I think he has the pedigree to make it in England and last night was further evidence that himself and torres could potentially form a devastating partnership.

But I really dont think Rafa has the funds for such a transfer. Prior to Euro 2008 you probably couldve netted Villa for 20-25 million but now Valencia must be rubbing their hands with glee because if he keeps this form up the likes of chelsea could well pay as much as 35-40 million for the player.

Unfortunatley I dont think we could have afforded him at the 20 million bracket which is a pretty sad state of affairs after 18 months of a takeover.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Albert Riera
« on: June 11, 2008, 11:33:23 AM »
Dont waste money on Riera. Just add it to the David Villa fund.

Unfortunatley just like the days before the takeover I have no confidence in us being able to sign any big name players this summer

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Sign of things to come?
« on: June 11, 2008, 11:28:55 AM »
There was a post on protests and petitions recently.

It would be interesting to see a petition set up that incorporated Liverpool fans, Texas Rangers fans and Dallas stars. I wonder what kind of response it would receive

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Financials Released
« on: June 09, 2008, 10:38:46 PM »
Skippy I am pretty sure like you and me Jim only wants whats best for the club so some of the abuse is a bit unfair.

I cant wait for the day when we can get back to talking solely about football again and the running of the club is something that just fades into the backround

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Financials Released
« on: June 09, 2008, 09:33:25 PM »
To suggest we're not competing for Barry is to suggest that there is a queue of clubs all waiting to sign him, all convinced he's worth more than we will pay, and we'll miss out on him for that reason - we'll be outbid.

As it is GB's deal is close, and because there isn't any known competition for his signature, we'll pay the price that Rafa and O'Neill compromise on.

Barry is Rafa's choice. If he's not good enough, it's a slight on Rafa as much as the owners. He's coming in as Xabi leaves, suggesting Rafa thinks he's better than Xabi.

As for Ramsay, again Rafa has to be able to work to a budget, whatever the budget is. In an ideal situation he'd get the odd opportunity for an advance on next year's budget, or to hold back some of this year's budget if he feels he doesn't need it, but overall he should only be spending what he is given.

And last year he was given a net £35m in the months from March to July. £35m. Hardly a pittance is it?

Unfortunately if you're going to grumble about the money being made available for transfers you've got to get involved in financial matters.

If Hicks and Gillett read your post and finally decide it's time to call it a day, to accept DIC's offer and leave these shores for good, what next?

How will this mythical boost to the transfer kitty be funded by Dubai?

Jim maybe the word "competing" is the wrong choice of words to use here on my part when referring to the Barry situation. But it just seems that more often than not Rafa doesnt have the financial backing in the transfer market to get deals done. The Barry situation has been playing out for a couple of weeks now. That is fair enough, transfers do take time. But I just find it an embarrassment that if Barry is Rafas top transfer target that instead of going in with a bid with a realistic valuation for Barry and getting the deal done Rafa is forced to conjure up a  player exchange related bid that is so unrealistic that O'Neil can afford to laugh at us in public.

I never suggested that Barry wasn't good enough or that Benitez deserves any kind of blame. On the contrary Jim I think the very opposite. Barry is a good player whom I believe could become even better given to chance to play at Liverpool and Benitez is someone who I think deserves enormous credit for being able to carry out his job so well this season under extremely difficult circumstances. 

As far as the Ramsey situation goes I completely understand that Rafa is working to a budget but Jim you surely have to agree if a club as big as Liverpool cannot afford to extend their budget by a couple of million pounds then there is surely grave concerns for the financial situation at the club. Whats makes this situation   slightly embarrassing is that Ramsey is clearly a player who Rafa fancies for the future, hes had a bid rejected and instead of going and offering more cash hes had to go back and offer the likes of Anderson and Hammil on loan in exchange. We werent talking about an extra 15 million here.

Rafa was given 35 million net last year from March to July and 35 million is alot  money for any club to spend. But how are we supposed to catch the uniteds and chelseas of the world when we arent perceived to be even at their level and yet united constantly go out each year and spend more. Surely a club with a good enough manager that is constantly able to go and outspend their competitors will always have a greater chance of success. What I constantly said in previous posts is that if Hicks and Gilette cannot afford this club which clearly i believe is the case then I would like to see the club in the hands of an owner who can.

I didnt mention DIC in my post but realistically they are the only viable alternative at this time. Just like when Hicks and Gilette took over nobody knows what effect DIC would have on the club or what kind of money they would be willing to spend. But Jim it is not necessarily a case of DIC being so good but actually a case of Hicks and Gilette being so bad. You can rightly question DICs motives and tactics in trying to gain control of the club but whatever conclusion you come to or however bad / good you think DIC would be for the club you have to remember that Hicks and Gilette do own the club currently and the past 18 months has been nothing short of a nightmare. So I think I do have some justification in my willingness to see a change in ownership even if the only thing I know about DIC is that they are owned by a Sheik multi billionaire. Thats not exactly a bad start.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Financials Released
« on: June 09, 2008, 05:34:20 PM »
The situation is simple;

We havent been able to compete in years gone by because we havent been able to compete for the best players.

The takeover was meant to resolve that fact.

It hasnt. We still cant compete for the best players. In fact we are finding it difficult to compete for middle to lower range players. Here I refer to Barry and Ramsey.

So instead of getting caught up in the financial side of things and attempting to give my two cents on expenses debt and other financial aspects that really I know very little about I will keep it simple and request Hicks and Gilette leave Liverpool based on the facts football facts above

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Man City CEO to replace Parry?
« on: June 08, 2008, 11:48:54 PM »
Heres interesting reading in tomorrows Times.

Maybe protests will intensify after this.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Man City CEO to replace Parry?
« on: June 08, 2008, 11:39:46 PM »
To be perfectly honest I dont think Hicks pays too much attention to demonstrations or online petitions for that matter. To work a demonstration would need to do one of the following, effect Hicks day to day personal life, effect him financially or have so many people taking part to make it impossible to ignore. Unfortunately however the fact that Hicks is in the States makes it easy for him to go on being unaffected by how the fans feel.

Aside from the petition to save Rafa other petitions to force the Americans out of the club have been a dime a dozen on the net and rarely gathered more than 5000 signatures. And out of those signatures im sure people signed more than once so the number of people who were willing to do as little as put their name to a petition is probably lower than 5000.

Dont get me wrong on this I dont want the petitions or protests to stop. If anything they are a constant reminder that the fans are not willing to be just pushed over on this. However I do think they would need to be done on a much larger scale for Hicks to even take notice. It would be hard to ignore a petition with one hundred thousand singings or a protest with 30000 people.

Whats starting to worry me is the potential state of the club when all of this ownership mess is over. I cannot see how the division amongst the fans will be resolved. Under a sole Hicks or Gilette ownership I cant see much changing in the finance sense so either American wont be winning the fans over by pledging silly kind of money for the team and like myself I dont think any of the anti Tom and George posters are going to change their minds on either man and suddenly start giving them their support. So what state does that leave the club and the fans  in? Divided. Realistically the only way this mess can be completely resolved is if the Americans go, otherwise the lack of unity at the club could go on for years and can only have a negative effect on any potential success

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Shared Stadium
« on: June 06, 2008, 09:11:31 AM »
Todays article in the Echo is pretty worrying from a shared stadium perpsective. I know neither Hicks or gilette commented on the story so we have to give them the benefit of the doubt for now in relation to the stories credibility.

However what I will say is that there should be no reason what so ever that Hicks or Gilette even speak to anyone about the prospect of a shared stadium. They promised that the idea of a shared stadium was never on the agenda. If they go back on that now it will be further indictaion of what we already know that neither can afford the club and for me would only highlight further their need to sell up to a party that can.

The article form the Post;

Anfield US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett in shared stadium talks
Jun 6 2008 by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post

THE chief executive of the North West Development Agency last night called for a “fundamental economic appraisal” of a shared stadium between Everton and Liverpool football clubs.

Steve Broomhead told the Liverpool Daily Post the idea needed to be looked at, given the current economic climate.

He is due to meet with Kop Holdings, Tom Hicks’s and George Gillett’s company, which owns Liverpool FC, next week. “More and more, it looks like if we are to upgrade the sporting stadiums for Merseyside, the ground sharing option has to go back on the table,” Mr Broomhead said.

“A fundamental economic appraisal of a ground share is needed.”

Mr Broomhead said he had seen little progress at Anfield in raising money for the new stadium.

His call follows that of Liverpool council leader Warren Bradley, who last week said the idea of a shared ground should be explored.

Last night, Everton FC chief executive Keith Wyness said he had discussed the issue with Liverpool FC chief executive Rick Parry at a Football Association meeting in Leicestershire and a shared stadium “was not on the agenda of either club”.

But last night a spokesman for Liverpool FC declined to comment.

Mr Broomhead’s intervention follows Liverpool, Sefton, West Lancashire, and St Helens councils opposing Everton FC’s plan to relocate to Kirkby.

The £400m scheme, which includes a Tesco superstore and 50 shops, will go before Knowsley council’s planning committee on Monday.

The huge amount of opposition to the scheme and the fact it runs contrary to town centre and retail policies, increases the likelihood of the Government calling a public inquiry.

Last night, Mr Broomhead would not be drawn on whether the plans should be “called in” for a public inquiry.

Meanwhile, Liverpool FC received planning permission for a new £350m, 60,000-seater stadium on Stanley Park last month.

The club is understood to have £60m to get started on the new ground, but work is yet to start.

Mr Broomhead said: “We continue to watch this with interest. We are not seeing any real progress at Anfield in raising the money for the new stadium.

“I have been invited to discussions at the end of next week with Kop Holdings.”

He said he was looking forward to hearing about the ownership of the club and financing for a new stadium on Stanley Park.

“We also continue to talk with Everton FC and Tesco.”

He said the agency continued to support both Liverpool FC and Everton FC in their endeavours to build new stadia.

“But you have to wonder about the vast amounts of money being spent, given the current market conditions for investment.”

Last night, Mr Wyness said: “Having discussed the matter with my Liverpool counterpart Rick Parry, I can categorically state that a shared stadium is not on the agenda of either club.

“We have a series of criteria which any prospective stadium must meet, and a shared stadium does not meet that criteria.

“When Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett took over Liverpool FC, they made it perfectly clear they were not interested.”

He said he still believed that moving to Kirkby was the only viable option for Everton Football Club.

Liverpool council leader Warren Bradley said: “The idea seems to be gathering momentum, and a lot of people are looking at it.

“I think the feasibility should at least be looked at.”

Liverpool Labour opposition leader Joe Anderson said the idea would have been “inconceivable” 18 months ago.

“The fact is we have got to work in the real world and both clubs are struggling financially.

“Maybe that’s uncomfortable for both clubs and fans, but it is something that should be considered.”

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Man City CEO to replace Parry?
« on: June 04, 2008, 09:06:43 PM »
It seems to be a sad state of affairs that the idea of a ground share is still being even talked about.

The idea that it could even be contemplated shouldve have been put to bed long ago. However actions speak louder than words and thanks to broken promises coinciding with lack of action from Hicks and Gilette the possibility remains however remote the chances of it happening may be.

In relation to the stories surrounding the Man City CEO, Hicks has failed to remove Parry once and Gilette was adamant in his defence of the Liverpool CEO then so I really dont see how Hicks would be successful at removing Parry at the second time of asking.

It may be out of sheer hope moreso than anything else but I can never see Hicks owning Liverpool outright or ever being majority shareholder for that matter. I think there is a tendency of Hicks supporters to make light of his cashflow problems whilst insisting Gilettes financial position is so precarious that he will have to sell. Well Gilette seems to be still hanging in there and as Ive said in previous posts I would sooner have Gilette keep his 50% than Hicks ever gaining any kind of majority control of the club.

Just to add one last point, I find the current transfer situation deflating and an embarrassment. Surely the US takeover of 18 months ago was supposed end the need for Rafa to wheel and deal.  Yet here we are into the second summer of the Hicks Gilette reign and its the same old bullshit on the transfer front. Rafa must sell to buy, Rafa needs to offer a multiple player exchange to bring in one of his top summer targets in Barry, we look set to miss out on a player for the future in Ramsey due to our unwillingness to up our bid by a mere couple of million.

What a farce the running of this club has become

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: NOTW - Rafa to spend £70m
« on: May 27, 2008, 08:24:25 PM »
sell Gerrard and use the funds to bolster the team.

we've never competed for the title with him at the core of our team.

<the dude battens down the hatches>

This statement is a clear indicator why Hicks and Gilette need to sell this club to those who can afford it. The sheer fact that Liverpools fans themselves would contemplate the need to cash in on one of the most prized assets the club has ever had just shows what dire straits we are currently in.

Hicks and Gilette must go now

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