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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 21, 2015, 11:35:49 PM »
ASI, just a quick point about the fact it's not Rodgers fault Sturridge has been injured most of the season.  While I agree with your statement, what I cannot understand (even now) is why the club did not have a back up plan for Suarez leaving?  After Suarez made clear that he was interested in leaving for Arsenal a few seasons ago, should that not of have had the alarm bells ringing within Anfield.  Surely a well run club would of had a clear mandate with respect to identifying other targets to replace him should he leave at some point in the future?  And when he did leave (no surprise) wtf did we do?  Nothing.  If Sanchez was the only target identified to replace Suarez then OMFG!  Rodgers stated 2 weeks prior to the 14/15 season starting that LFC would never sign Balotelli......Nuff Said on that one  ;D

To cut a long story short, the above example clearly illustrates serious failings within OUR club.  From Ian Ayre, to Brenda right down to the frickin tea lady!

Sanchez was the target I have to assume. We offered more money than Arsenal but his girlfriend wanted to live in London so that was that. Maybe they did go for other targets. We don't know.

Just because we don't sign a target doesn't mean people have failed. If you wanted to go out with a attractive girl but she picked another bloke 'cos he had a flashier car than you does that make you a failure? Same analogy. All you can do is make the club look as attractive as possible but after that it's down to the player and his agent.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 21, 2015, 11:29:23 PM »
You buy a striker Sturridge (a big decision) with a history
of injuries, guess what? He's going to be injured.

He wasn't last season. He scored 21 league goals. Didn't hear you complaining then that he's injury prone.

But that decision exists within a series of others:

You buy Fabio Borini, why?
You buy Mario Balotelli, why?
You buy Rickie Lambert? why?
You buy Origi, where is he?

You could also ask why Utd loaned Falcao and paid him £250K/week to do bugger all. Because at the time it was thought those players would perform better than they did. Origi is on loan and joins next season.

The key problems this season are not the product of bad luck,
they are the culmination of poor decision-making.

I assume you are also including the players in that statement. Poor decision making by them on the pitch is not the managers fault.

Maybe the manager doesn't make the decisions? Then he's not the manager.
Unless you know how the structure works in a club you can't give an educated reply. Just a guess.

For the record Sherwood was sacked by chairman Daniel Levy on 13
May 2014 despite a 59% win ratio that is second to none.

Then his sacking is even more odd. Must have been something else which may surface at Villa.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 21, 2015, 10:51:41 PM »
I'm sure Randy Lerner is a wise business man. What we require at
the club are a team of wise football men below the owners that run
the club.

Can you name those men? I don't know the names of those who are responsible for those decisions. But I agree they need to be intelligent and football-wise.

The buck stops with the manager. The season IS over.

The buck stops with the manager for team performances. How many poor performances are tolerated are dependent on several factors such as player availability. It's not Rogers fault Sturridge has been injured for so long. He did transform our defensive resilience. Does he not deserve credit for that? I see Porto conceded 6 tonight. Does that thrashing mean their manager should be sacked?

And as long as it's mathematically possible for us to get 4th the season is not over.

Can you provide evidence that the owners aren't fools in the sphere of football? We've had Rodgers for 3 years and basically gone around in a circle - calling time on his reign would not be a knee-jerk
reaction. Rodgers is just singing from a new hymn sheet now. Again, the buck stops with
the manager.
Owners don't need to be football experts. The Glazers know nothing about football. Neither does Abramovic or Sheikh watsisname with City. It's their money and their call. If you can't affect a decision just live with it.

That seems to be a very weak mandate to hand the footballing leader of a multi-million pound
enterprise who is extremely generously rewarded in terms of his pay packet. Learns from his
mistakes?? Maybe Tim Sherwood could give him some tips.

Sherwood couldn't have been that clever because he was sacked by Spurs. Let's see how the next few years pan out for him. Let's remember FSG know far more about Rogers than anyone here. Without the full facts we're guessing on many things.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 21, 2015, 08:28:46 PM »
Some good points there, Ray. It's about the impression and the message that we as a club send out. Like you say, the Mancs tried experience but no winning track record in the hope he would develop in a 'winning environment' (though it pains me to say it, it's still the truth) into a trophy winning manager.
It failed, and common sense prevailed.

Well, for a long while it didn't work as LVG's team had accrued the same number of points as Moyes'. They just seemed to click just at the wrong time.

Whilst the shortlist of who fits the criteria, is/would be available, interested and not mind that we're not in London, is a very short list, it shouldn't stop us aiming in that direction.
What we don't know is if any of the managers suggested might be interested in LFC. I always remember Mourinho saying many years ago that Liverpool interested him. I'm sure there are others. It's still a huge club regarding fan base and history.

With FFP, the longer we stay out of the top four, or only dip in and out occasionally, the more we will be cast adrift of other clubs like Chelsea, both Mancs and Arsenal.

Agreed although LVG is only at Man U for another 2 seasons. City are in turmoil with an ageing squad and Arsene is getting older by the day.

We're playing catch up with the stadium, but whilst we don't need the size of the Mancs' ground, we'd be ahead of City in capacity, and close the chasm that exists at the moment between us and Arsenal, Chelsea, who have the London pricing luxury, and Arsenal have the addition of the increased capacity.

Yes, the problem is we can't charge London prices as Merseyside couldn't take it. But players still want premium wages. The only way to improve income is with sponsorship and the club do seem pretty good at that.

However, as Wenger has shown, whilst the stadium and income from it is in the construction stage(s), we need the know how to get us into and stay in the top four and at least have that revenue. There's no shortcuts or guarantees, but you can maximise or at least increase the possibility in your favour.

There's no doubt FSG are wise business men. Far more about them than David Moores (bless him) or H&G or even Arab owners. I don't believe they want to do everything on the cheap. The new stand is being built and any naming rights won't affect the ground or the Kop. That would have been the easy option but they had too much respect for the club and fans.

The experiment of the transfer committee + manager has failed. Whether Rodgers has a poor eye for a player, or indeed a good eye but a minority position when it came to final selection, we don't know, but what we do know is that the combined inputs of Dalglish, Comolli, Rodgers and the transfer committee, whoever the constituent personnel has been at any time, has seen a lot of money spent with a very poor return in either value or success on the pitch.

All we know for sure is the committee of 3 including Rogers will be given a good grilling at season's end and something will have to change. They're not fools but neither do they employ knee-jerk reactions. The end of season is the right time to review the season. Rogers has already said he is looking for experienced players, not more youth or those near the end of their careers. They might also recruit different scouts. That committee is under a lot of scrutiny.

Are FSG prepared to appoint someone, who like Van Gaal has done, will go 'toe to toe' with the board, if needs be and show them the errors in their thinking and model, and have either the clout or persuasive powers to get the things through that need to change at the club. Do FSG have the desire to 'be educated' or are egos and misplaced pride getting in the way of us getting ourselves on the right track, and not the 'road to nowhere'.     

Only they will know that. It seems doubtful Rogers will be sacked in the summer. All we can hope for is we get some decent players in and Brendan learns from his mistakes and doesn't make the same ones again.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 20, 2015, 05:38:45 PM »
FSG will have a review post season. Should they decide to make a change, they will hire advisors and put together a list of candidates. They will then begin approaching them. So think about what the reality of a Rodgers replacement would be? It will be the same prototype of manager who'll need to work under the current system. I'm unsure who'd be a good replacement considering what I have stated.

Maybe Emery or Blanc or De Boer perhaps?

I don't know much about those 3. But if you try an experiment and it doesn't work then it's a bit daft to try the same thing again. Minimum requirement? Someone who has managed a team who have won either World Cup, CL, domestic league or domestic cup in that order.

The first two might cost a fair bit but would act as a magnet for potential buys. if we go for another similar to Brendan then we have to pay a lot in wages to attract them and even then they may not come. Sanchez being the prime example.

LFC does not have the attraction of London or CL football. So we're in the same position as Man City 6 years ago and they had to pay silly money to top players. Under FFP that's no longer an option. It has to be a high profile manager.

Are you able to say why Rafa or Ancelotti wouldn't be considered?

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 19, 2015, 05:06:33 PM »
I agree with you Edward. He just can't raise their game when it matters. Every pass was to a player stood still. No movement up front to confuse the opposition. And how many times was the formation changed? Too many.

He doesn't have the required skills to get the best out of the players he has. Or the tactical acumen to out-think the opposition manager. Sherwood is hardly Mourhino.

Maybe the owners will see that and act in the summer. He can't say he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 10, 2015, 09:07:59 AM »
The worrisome thing about Rodgers reign is that I don't see any
of the players he has bought increasing in value. We're stuck with
the bulk of them for the foreseeable.

Couthino is probably worth £30M, nearly 4 times what we paid.

Sterling bought for less than £1M. If sold will return around £35M, possibly more. A 40 times return.

Mingolet won't be sold but we could certainly realise what we paid.

I'm happy to be 'stuck with them'.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 09, 2015, 09:03:34 AM »
Just sayin IF City beat them, and then Chelsea, and the bitters do us a service AND Arsenal get a result WHILE we reproduce something similar to the form we showed between december and mid-March THEN 4th is possible. City's got arguably the easiest remaining fixture list.  No chance we'll catch them even if we win our last 7 games.

Lot of Ifs there Martin. :-) Mathematically 4th is still possible but it would need teams above us to have some shock results. City beating Utd on current form is just such an example.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 08, 2015, 10:42:52 PM »
ASI how are you keeping nowadays? Hope you are doing well. It's been quite a while.
Fine thanks Edward. Enjoying retirement.  :D

I've had my moments of weakness in regards to me wanting Brendan to go, as others will attest, but in the main I have full belief in him.

It's just the there is one major area of concern for me in which you may have read my opinion on this thread. Which is our inability or to be more precise Brendan's inability to sway AWAY from his instincts as manager in the big games and he worries more about the opposition rather than us. For me I truly believe it is this last step which is stopping us from really doing something special. Whether Brendan has the ability to get over this last step remains to be seen. As he will ultimately be judged upon these results.

Can't disagree with your summary of Brendan. I was also spitting bullets after both recent games. It's almost like he doesn't feel he has the expertise to win the tactical battle with top 4 managers although I think the performance and tactics against City was top notch. Does he have the faith either in himself or his players to carry out his natural game plan against Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd? Maybe HE needs a chat with the club psycho?  :D  Maybe just more experience.

As for tonights game well we won which is the most important thing. I thought Lovren had a good game and Lucas and Allen together were very effective.

Agreed. Confidence must have been low after Arsenal but they responded reasonably well against a team that love the high ball and a difficult pitch.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 08, 2015, 10:04:19 PM »
Agree on points 1 and 2. Lovren did a decent job given how low his confidence must be.

Mingo had a good game. I didn't think Couthino was playing for the first 25 mins. Hardly saw him on the ball but nice work to get the goal.

Pitch wasn't good which is why I think Sturridge suffered. But he's still rusty. Confidence is everything.

We need City to lose that game. That point difference with Utd could be everything.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 08, 2015, 09:44:49 PM »

You have no respect for the owners, manager or captain. How on earth do you expect me to want to discuss the club with someone who has so little respect?

Barticus doesn't call him Captain Marvel. Barticus doesn't constantly go on about Rafa. You do and to compound things you post that tripe about the owners simply because they have a different view to yours. That's why I see no point in debating things with you.

And how often I post is down to me. I'm certainly not stalking you. God forbid.

Not the best of performances tonight Martin but the only thing that mattered after 2 defeats was a win.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 08, 2015, 07:21:32 PM »
Dude. I'm happy to discuss the club with everyone else here but not with you and your jaundiced views.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 08, 2015, 07:20:11 PM »

I agree his performance must be analysed after each season and I'm sure that's what the owners are doing. The defeats against Utd and Arsenal were bad and it's clear in both games they played us at our own game of closing down.

Rogers is no fool. If we spotted the closing down he'll be devising a strategy to overcome it. Long balls up field are the obvious answer. The quicker you get the ball in the other half the better our chances of scoring. Play it into open space and get Sterling et al to run on to them. Worth a try and we might see something different tonight.

Rogers is young and he will learn just as Wenger, LVG and others have done. He sorted out the defence that became so good it beats a 30+ year record in clean sheets. No Skrtel is a pain.

But if you keep swapping managers you get nowhere. Look at Arsenal fans at the start of the season with their "bye bye Arsene" banners. Things can turn around very quickly in football.

Would you risk Jurgen Klopp? Total disaster this season. Ancelotti is no spring chicken and LVG is a few years away from retirement. So is Wenger. Big changes at a few clubs in the next couple of years.

We'll have Origi plus one other next season up front plus Sterling and Sturridge. Can in midfield will be a bonus. Things aren't as bad as they seem.

And if Utd beat City on Sunday and we beat Newcastle on Monday we'll be just 4 points behind City in 4th. CL football would then be a good possibility.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: April 08, 2015, 06:51:19 PM »

You annoy me intensely with garbage like that. You don't want anyone to mange Liverpool who hasn't won anything with previous clubs. Check Shankly's record. He won nothing with 4 previous clubs before he came to Anfield so presumably on that basis you would have spewed your bile on him back them if we'd had an internet.

<<And our fecking idiotic arrogant owners seem to want nothing to do with him.>>

The same arrogant owners who bought the club thereby preventing LFC from going into administration. The same owners who have just used their own money to pay for the construction of a new main stand. The same stupid owners who played hard-ball with Suarez and when he was eventually sold he went for a club record because they had the nous to get him to sign a new contract.

We should be grateful for what FSG have done for the club. Rafa won nothing for his last 4 seasons and was directly responsible for the departure of Alonso. He's a machine, not a man manager.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2014/15
« on: January 02, 2015, 07:44:01 PM »
If you read the newspapers, it's like Princess Diana has died.

Gerrard's departure seemingly requires a week of mourning.

Who will ever forget those Hollywood balls, the ones that cut their victims in two, and decapitated several spectators.

Who will ever forget The Great Escape of Istanbul. led by fearless Captain Marvel.  Actually we were three-nil down at half-time precisely because of Captain Marvel's uselessness in midfield.  It was Didi Hamann who turned the game around when he came on for the second half.

Who will ever forget the numerous times Captain Marvel gifted the opposition goals, by suicidal pass-backs.

But for me, I will always remember him for the lack of discipline and balance he brought to Liverpool, any time that he played.

Too many negatives that (sadly) outweigh the occasional wonderful positive moments.

This is my one and only post so don't bother replying because I won't be responding.

If ever there was any doubt you are a closet Manc that post proves what you really are. You are without doubt the most detestable 'supporter' I have ever come across. Call yourself a Liverpool FC supporter? You don't know the meaning of the word.

Goodbye and good riddance you nasty piece of work.

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