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Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: January 06, 2018, 12:45:51 AM »
Another ground out win with us not at our best.

Can at fault, yet again, for not tracking Sigurdsson. I wonder if he'll make it to Juve or will he stop at the edge of the Italian coast?

That peno evens up the Henderson one.

I thought Robertson dealt ok with Bolasie, and is growing into the team.

Van Dijk. Next season's new captain.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: January 05, 2018, 04:44:50 PM »
I'd much rather see us sign Draxler than Lemar, at this point in their careers.

Mahrez might make more sense too than Lemar, being Premier League proven and starting to look like getting back to his best, where as Lemar's form has dropped right off. I'm not saying he's a one season wonder, and the loss of a number of class players from Monaco can't have helped him, but his not stepped up as you'd expect this season.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: January 05, 2018, 04:31:08 PM »
We need to make a stand against the ridiculous add-on disease that has now infected transfers.

I could understand 10% of a fee, especially if it was inflated to begin with, being payable only under certain conditions.

The likes of Barcelona are now taking the p!ss where add-ons are concerned.

If they want to try and take our best player with a deal that includes add-ons then the 'base' fee needs to be at least £125M, with add-ons being such as a further £5M each time Barca wins the league, £10M if they win the CL, £5M once Coutinho has earned 10 more Brazilian caps, £5M for every 20 goals he scores for Barca, and a percentage of any fee Barca sell him for - not a percentage of anything over what they bought him from us for, but, for example, 15% of any future fee, so if he was sold for £25M, we would receive £3.75M. 

After all, they got the full fee for Neymar, and don't have to wait for add-ons or installments.

We also need to demand at least 2/3 of the 'base' fee up front, now, with the other 1/3 payable in 12 months time, with add-ons payable within 90 days.

They need to be made to put their cheque book where their mouth is.

I also think it's about time we started putting huge buyout clauses in certain players' contracts. For example Mane and Salah would be good examples. You'd probably not need to do the same for the likes of Klavan or Wijnaldum etc.
If we're forced to agree a sell-on clause with a team we buy from, then it would be a good idea also to put a buy-out fee, or at least a fee 'floor', so we could protect ourselves from losing out on too much in a future sale. Of course we can decide to sell for less than the 'floor' if it was in our interest to 'offload' the player.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:54:56 PM »

the big money is in england.   There is only sun, and a slower pace of league in Italy (which may suit his lazy slow to football).

I would not be surprised if he ends up signing a new contract with Liverpool.  It just feels like he is playing the field.

Can would be far better suited to Italian football. Everything about him, and everything he seems to do, just appears to be in slow motion.
Slow over the ground with or without the ball, quits tracking back once he reaches the edge of the area, slow decision making, and multiple touches.

He's a 'betwixt and between' sort of midfielder. Not one particular type or another, and not a particularly accomplished 'all round' midfielder either. We have too many of them as it is.   

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:46:45 PM »
happy new year Tes, to you and your loved ones, and everyone in here.

yes, and we made a couple of similar mess-ups versus Burnley, but on this occasion got away with them.

Klopp insists on us playing cute little short passes, even in the trickiest of scenarios.....when the obvious solution is to hoof it out of the danger area.

there is very little to be gained by being cute at the back - and a big downside.

Sometimes there is a case to knock it long, and maybe look to win the second ball even, if the longer ball doesn't find it's intended recipient. Whilst it may seem like giving up possession easily, it's preferable to being forced into an error on the edge of your own box.
With the pace we have up front, it's a shame we don't have a keeper with ability that Reina had, to release the ball early, able to throw it long and accurately, rather than a short pass to a central defender, who can immediately be put under pressure, and with there being no midfielder who's job it is to be the quick outlet pass for either of our centre backs, when they receive a hurried pass, or an ill judged one that puts them under immediate pressure.

If you're always going to 'play out' from the back, you need a midfielder who either comes short and takes the ball off the centre halves, or who at least puts himself in a position where a quick easy pass can be made to him by the centre half, when the centre half inevitably gets closed down quickly.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:35:31 PM »
Apparently Can has signed a 5 year deal, worth £85k a week, with Juve.

I wonder if there's a release clause in that contract. Doubtful.

I'm sure we would have been fine paying him £85k, especially as Lovren is supposedly on £100k.

However, the fact he wants/wanted a release clause in our contract, hardly shows a player committed to us for the long term.

He should have been sold in Summer 2016, or last Summer. He's hardly an indispensable part of the team, and the fact that clubs are only now interested in him on a free, not even with just a year on his contract, hardly marks him out as an 'important' player for whichever team he goes to.

Can on a free, to add to the squad would be an appealing prospect for us. Would we really pay £50M to buy him? It's doubtful.

To me he's no great loss. For every great game he plays for us, there's 4 or 5 mediocre ones.

I'd rather see him left out now and play someone else. Grujic maybe. Give the shirt to players who will be here into the future. Develop the team with players that can be a part of it next season, and beyond.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:22:54 PM »

Guillam Balague writes on Twitter: “About Coutinho. Barcelona will soon make an offer of €110+40.
“Chairman Bartomeu feels in debt to him for how hard he's trying to go to FCB.
“Their top players want him.
“LFC have changed their tone but have not put price to him.
“They will act when offer arrives. Which it will.”

I always respect Ballague and his sources.  Sounds like 150 might be enough.....tho I imagine depends upon how much up front and how much is addons. 

I'd suggest 150 upfront and no addons.  The guy is not 19 years old - he is bloddy mid-20s and a well-established regular in Brazil's front line.
To be honest, I can't figure why Coutinho leaving mid-season can be any good for the player, Liverpool or Barca.  He can have a go at the Champions League with Liverpool....and is cup-tied for Barca.  And Barca lead the Liga by some distance.  Leaving now, is a lose lose for the lad, and Liverpool.
I see mutterings too, of us trying to bring forward Keita's arrival from Leipzig, to January.

I think Coutinho is worried that if he doesn't move in this window then his ship will have sailed come the Summer. From a footballing perspective, he has no chance of playing for Barca in the CL, so whilst they have more chance of winning it than us, it would be an empty victory for Coutinho, where as with us, he'd have the whole experience, medal etc.
Also, he's a guaranteed starter, bang in form and will walk into Brazil's starting eleven at the World Cup in the Summer, if he stays with us. Can the same be said if he moves to Barca?

I can understand him, especially as a South American player, wanting to play for Barca, and who wouldn't want a chance to play with Messi. As Messi is now 30, how long has he got left at the peak of his powers? 

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: January 02, 2018, 06:12:53 PM »
Massimiliano Allegri's answer, when asked about signing Can this month, is priceless:

It is important not to lower the quality of the team and remain focused on our targets.

So Can is only seen as worth having as a squad player, and because he's free. If he thinks he's going to get £100k a week at Juve then he's in La La land.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: January 02, 2018, 04:57:07 PM »
Another hard fought three points at Burnley would wash the Leicester three points down nicely.

Thanks for obliging me.  ;D

Let's hope this ability to ground out results is a lasting trait.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: Season 2017/18
« on: January 01, 2018, 12:12:22 AM »
Happy New Year to everyone.

Another hard fought three points at Burnley would wash the Leicester three points down nicely.

It was an horrendous mistake by Matip, but well done to the team that we came back to win.

Salah's out for at least two weeks, but that could give Mane a chance to regain his true form, and Lallana should see more time too.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:17:41 AM »
Inigo Martinez of Real Sociedad apparently has a release clause of £28M in his contract. Maybe that's worth a punt to give Van Dijk a new partner, considering how poor Matip's been this season, and his injury record.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:11:06 AM »
Exclusive: Southampton keen on Daniel Sturridge and ready to make audacious bid for Fulham's Ryan Sessegnon

Considering how much we've been stung for by Southampton over the last few seasons, then a £15M loan fee seems reasonable.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:06:18 AM »
Have we missed a trick with Toby Alderweireld, or could we still pull it off?

Apparently his contract runs to July 2019, with Spurs having the option of extending it for a further 12 months. However, there's supposedly a clause that states he will then have a release clause of £25M in the Summer following or that Summer (if triggered in the Summer) in which Spurs trigger the extension.

So if they were to try and trigger the extension to 2020 now, he could be bought for £25M in the Summer.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: December 27, 2017, 06:49:09 PM »
I hope Southampton have 'given us permission' to announce the signing.  ;D

If so, I wonder how much we paid for the privilege.

Liverpool FC, football, sport / Re: January Transfer Window 2018
« on: December 27, 2017, 06:33:46 PM »
Liverpool confirm world-record £75m deal for Virgil van Dijk


Having been injured for the 2nd half of last season, he's not been the same player since returning to the team.
If that's down to his failed Summer transfer, you only have to look at Coutinho to see the right attitude. Maybe it's down to his injury. Either way, £75M is crass stupidity. A 25% increase on the rumoured amount we were prepared to pay in the Summer. Where's that come from?

Do we even know how to negotiate? Or what the word even means?

Surely we could buy a central defensive partnership for that, and whilst either may not be quite as good individually as Van Dijk, as a partnership, they'll be better than the resulting combination of whichever one of our poor centre halves Van Dijk gets lumbered partnered with.

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